1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Caldercot. Welcome to the b YC. 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Export Bear Garden Studio and welcome to 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: the ACC headquarters. I'm Paul Ford, godfather of the Pagema 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: Gaid and today we are getting fired up for the 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: English and Welsh crusade of New Zealand that is underway 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: in Queenstown. 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: They have landed. 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: We're sniffing around the border Gaviscar series. We're checking on 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: the planket shield and we get some cricket violence right 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 2: between the eyes and reflect on the monsoon magnet. 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: That is a cricket series in Sri Lanka. No Jason Hoyt. 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: Today as he recovers from his boxing debut over the 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: weekend were he lost on points to Joe Biden and 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: a disgraceful woman about ahead of his fight against Mike 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: Tyson and a g string on boxing day. But we 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: do have our pleasy, didn't they of the fantastic scoop 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: making the Bounce newsleader Dylan Clever with us today. 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: Dylan, how the hell are you? 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: I'm very good, Thank you, Paul. Thanks for the kind introduction. 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: We'll get into one of those scoops in a bit. Look. 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: First off, I reckon. 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: We should have a look at this one day International 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: series over in Sri Lanka that succumbed to the rain 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: gods and Pala Kelly overnight. Not quite the same success 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: as New Zealand enjoyed in the drawn T twenty series. 26 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: But can we take much out of these performances from 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: what is essentially a development squad really in a series 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: of three rain affected matches. 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: Very little can we take out of it? 30 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah? 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 3: Look, they went to the first one in dan Burler, 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 3: which was a follow on from the T twenty series. 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: They got hammered there. Let's be fair on Duckworth Lewis 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: by forty five runs. Sri Lanka scored three hundred and 35 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: twenty four for five. New Zealand could only get one 36 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five for nine in return off twenty seven. 37 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: Again rain affected in Pala Kelly first game, but New 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: Zealand fell short with two hundred and nine didn't beat 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: out there forty seven overs and then Shri Lanka struggled 40 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: to chase that down two hundred and ten for seven. 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: And then finally last night I was all excitedly watching 42 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: well Young and Harvey Nichols. You know, look quite comfortable 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: until the spinners came on. They certainly comfortable against pace 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: and one hundred and twelve to one, it was all over. 45 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: And really the talking point is we keep going to 46 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: Sri Lanka and we keep getting rained on. 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Is that right? 48 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: Have you been into the history box on that or 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: are you just saying that was of your head? 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 3: It felt so awfully familiar, I thought I would do 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: some geekery and the first thing that surprised me was 52 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: that it's actually the first bilateral One Day series we've 53 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: paid there in eleven years. But I want my suspicions were. 54 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: It seems like Sri Lanka's played in New Zealand every 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: year four eleven years. 56 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And so in twenty thirteen it was a 57 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 3: three months match series. The first one in hand Them 58 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: Totter was no result, second one, same venue was twenty 59 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: three overs per team. The third one in dan Buller 60 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: was a thirty three over versus twenty five over Duckworth 61 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 3: Lewis affair. In twenty twelve we had a four match 62 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: ODII series. The first at Pala Kelly was fifty overs 63 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: versus twenty three on Duckworth Lewis. The second the second 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: at Pala Kelly was a thirty three over a side 65 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: match that was also decided on Duckworth Lewis. The third 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: at ham bent Tota was thirty two overs versus twenty seven, 67 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 3: again decided on Duckworth Lewis. Sri Lanka won all three 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: of those Duckworth Lewis, but the crown and glory was 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: the fourth one at Hambantota which was no result and 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: then the previous series, so that was a tri series 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: in Sri Lanka. I think he might have involved int 72 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: you as well. And the New Zealand's match was Sri 73 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: Lanka in that tri series at dan Buller was no result. 74 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: God, that's extraordinary. So that's three six ' ten. That's 75 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: eleven rain affected matches in a row. 76 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: The past eleven, Odie Eyes and Sri Lanka have all 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: been rain affected and Sri Lanka won the vast majority 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: of them on Duckworth lows. 79 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: That is preposterous. 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: It's also ridiculous that we haven't won any of those 81 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: games on duck with Lowis. 82 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: But I guess we. 83 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: Shouldn't dwell on that God that is there, that is well, 84 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: we should just not go at this time. But I 85 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: guess we don't call the shots. 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: There's another curiosity in that as well, that every single 87 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: venue of that and there's that eleven match streak is 88 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: up in the highlands, there's no there's no gaull od 89 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: I or Columbo. All up in the hills, the rain 90 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: rolls in that gets I don't know, perhaps nothing much 91 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: goes on there and they think, well, we'll give them 92 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 3: the New Zealand. 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: To be fair, some of the crowds look quite fired up. 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: I quite enjoyed the crowds. They look quite lively, beautiful, 95 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: lively than the pictures. 96 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but no, there was nothing to take out 97 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: of it other than I think the major difference in 98 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 3: that the two teams was Sri Lanka was far closer 99 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: to the full strength and New Zealand was and their 100 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: spinner's economy rates with far superior like lysa Thik Sharner 101 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: and Jeffrey Vandersay were far more effective at keeping the 102 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 3: runs in check. I don't know, can you take anything 103 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 3: out of Will Young bettered Nicey. I guess I compiled 104 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: as last. I think his last eleven Odie eyes. I 105 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 3: don't know if you can remember, but that game of 106 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: the World Cup opener that New Zealand one and Conway 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: and Ravendra had got big tons and they thresht England 108 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 3: and that same game Will Young was strangled down leg side. 109 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: I think it might have been a first ball duck, 110 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: you know, hellishly unlucky. Since then, he's compiled seventy to 111 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 3: fifty four, seventeen, thirty two, thirty three, one hundred and five, 112 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: eighty nine, twenty six, forty eight, twenty six and fifty 113 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: six not out. So he has been amazing, amazingly consistent 114 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: and ODII cricket. Does that count for much these days? 115 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: That's a question I'll throw to you. 116 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look, look, look I'll be I think it does. 117 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: I think it does, and it's great to see, you 118 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: know that he is putting together a record. I mean obviously, 119 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: so obviously he's the next cap off the rank, but 120 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: it's also a sign that he's not getting bored and frustrated, 121 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: that he just. 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: Keeps on putting those numbers up. So yeah, I mean, 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: good on them. 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: I think he averaged sixty five in the series, But 125 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: for comparison, I think coustial Menus was averaging two hundred 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: and fifteen or something, and I think Fernando was fifty 127 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: odd so yeah, look he was. He was probably the 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: second best better in the in the series. But I 129 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: don't think there's a hell of a lot anyone else 130 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: got out of it. A few other scores. I think 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: Chapman got a he got a seventy odd I think yeah. 132 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,239 Speaker 3: I think he got a top scorer in the series 133 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: for New Zealand. And Nichols got some nice enough forty 134 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: odds last night when he had been really struggling coming 135 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: off the back of a very poor for trophy, which 136 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: again raised questions as to how he managed to find 137 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: himself in this New Zealand Odie Ice squad and then 138 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: failures in the first two games. He would have been 139 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: feeling some heat. So and he looked nice actually, in fact, 140 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: when the spinners came on, he looked more accomplished than 141 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: Young did last night. But jeep, some of those shots 142 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: Young played off the pacemen were just mint. 143 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: Saw a beautiful straight drive that I was doing. The 144 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: dishes sensational and it. 145 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: Does make you realize just what a fine talent he is. 146 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: And again it's that his New Zealand cricket maximized it. 147 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: And I think the answer is probably resounding. 148 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: No, he looked like he was having a bloody good 149 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: time in it. 150 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah I had, I had one eye, you know, on him, 151 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: and you talked about it. 152 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: I think last week, you know, a little not. 153 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: Not a swagger per se, but a confidence, And I 154 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: thought I thought we could see that last night as 155 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: he was out there with with Nichols, as we were 156 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: hoping that they wouldn't run each other out in some 157 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: sort of act of malicious malevolence. 158 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 159 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: Look, one guy that I thought would have been annoyed 160 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 2: at his series as Tim Robinson, you know, way down. 161 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: I think he was just looking here, what did he get? Average? 162 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: Sixteen forty eight runs off forty seven balls. 163 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: And one of those scores was thirty five. 164 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 2: So it took a couple of failures and Glenn Phillips 165 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: was a little bit out of sorts too, but yeah, 166 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: look I agree with you, but Young looked sublime until 167 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: the heavens opened. 168 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, the bowling it was Michael Bracewall. He did 169 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: some good things. 170 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: I think he was top of the wickets and so on, 171 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: but yeah, not a hell of a lot to really take. 172 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: And given the how few overs were played across the thing, 173 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: that series. 174 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: I thought Bracewall was the time you reminder that the 175 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: guy can play cricket, right you mentioned last week He's 176 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 3: just an unreal fielder. He's a sensational fielder. He was 177 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: too expensive though, but he was a wicket taking option. 178 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: But you watch the difference between him and Think Channer. 179 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 3: And I know Thik Channer's got the Karen ball, the 180 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 3: big arm ball, something that Bracewall and the New Zealand 181 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: spinners don't zest. But I did feel like they leaked 182 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: too many runs. Mind you, csemendous Is was batting out 183 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 3: of this world and home conditions. So but yeah, I 184 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: mean it was a time you reminder that Michael Bracewall 185 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 3: was still there. You're still part of that burgeoning, finger 186 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 3: spinning list of options we've got. 187 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 2: Now. 188 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: I'm not sure any of them will well. Before that 189 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: India Test series, I wasn't sure that any of them 190 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 3: were world class. But you know, join the Q now 191 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: braces behind Len Phillips, a Jaz Mitchell Santner. 192 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Lovely problem to have. 193 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: Hey, DC, let's take a break and when we come back, 194 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: let's get stuck into the New Zealand Test squad. I 195 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 2: think you did pretty well on your guestimates for the squad. 196 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: We'll be back shortly. Welcome back to the b y C. 197 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: It's Paul Ford and Dylan Cleaver coming to you today. 198 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: And Dylan, the New Zealand Test squad was named this week. 199 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: Do you want to give us a rundown on that 200 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 2: and maybe any any points of interest, anything surprising in there. 201 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: I think you guessed pretty well. 202 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So the squad is Lathan Captain, Blundle Wicker Keeper, 203 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: Conway Duffy, Henry Mitchell, O'Rourke, Phillips, Ravendra, Nathan Smith, Tim 204 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: Southy Caine, Williamson, will Young and Mitchell Santon will come 205 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: in for the second and thirdest in Wellington Hamilton and 206 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: one of those pace bowlers will drop out of the squad. 207 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: There's two uncapped players in that team, which is Duffy 208 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 3: and Nathan Smith. And yeah, I had a punt at 209 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: picking the thirteen slash fourteen and for some reason I 210 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: should have got all fourteen, but for some reason I 211 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: didn't have Nathan Smith, although I had this funny feeling 212 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: he was right there in the mix and I actually 213 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: thought they might have an extra spinner as a kind 214 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: of stock bowler slash deep in the batting lineup for 215 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: christ Church as well. I thought Santna would be in 216 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 3: for all three on the back of what he did 217 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: in India and the fact they love him. You know, 218 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: he offers leadership, he offers the potential of runs down 219 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: the order fields brilliantly and can bolve very tightly. But 220 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: they brought him in for the second and third Test 221 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 3: and have Smith in for the first one. So I 222 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 3: guess the points of interest really are Nathan Smith. Do 223 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: they crow bar them into that first Test lineup ahead 224 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: of Duffy or do they play just the three seamers 225 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: and both Duffy and Smith's on the sidelines. And of 226 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: course Sally announced Manning official that this will be his 227 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: last Test series barring qualification for the World Test Championship, 228 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: which would be a final in Lords, during which he 229 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: would make himself available for clearly no guarantees of selection. 230 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: I'm also available for selection for that as well. Yeah, look, 231 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: it's interesting to see Nathan Smith in there. Yeah, it 232 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: really does feel like it's a duel for that fourth 233 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 2: semi spot. You know, I've put my cards on the 234 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: table last week. I'd love to see Will Young in there. 235 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: But I just don't think that the New Zealand selectors 236 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: are going to do that. I think that with came back, 237 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: they're going to want to have those four seemers, And yeah, 238 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: it's going to be an interesting decision. I guess in 239 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: terms of seniority, you would expect that Duffy would. 240 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: Be given a shot. 241 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 2: But it does seem like they like the cut of 242 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: Nathan Smith's jib and if they're looking for a bit 243 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: more batting insurance, then you know, you you suspect that 244 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 2: a guy down the order betting at number eight who 245 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: can bash it around could could be pretty handy. So yeah, 246 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: look it's a it's again a good conundrum for the selectors. Yeah, 247 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: you called the center thing. I guess, were you thinking 248 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: maybe Bracewall might be in there? Is it who you 249 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: were thinking might sort of? 250 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: No, I she thought was Handton would be in for 251 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: the start and they might bring a js ptel and 252 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 3: got for an extra spin option. Probably wouldn't use them, 253 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: but just to have them there in case they roll 254 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: up to seven Park and get the similar wicket that 255 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 3: they got in South Africa. We're here last summer and 256 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: rolled up to Wellington and get a similar wicket they 257 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: had when Nathan Lyon and Glenn Phillips were the two 258 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: most effective bowlers at the base and last summer, which 259 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: nobody anticipated. And I still find it hard to believe 260 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 3: that you're going to find a wicket like that in 261 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: November in Wellington, but who knows. But look, I actually 262 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: totally agree with you. This whole fourth seema thing feels 263 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 3: again and we use this work quite often when describing 264 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 3: a Gary Stead's side, but it feels slightly dogmatic and 265 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: that you go to Christus, you go to have the 266 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: over and you have to play four seamas. I think 267 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: what we tend to forget is that when New Zealand 268 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: we're at the most effective doing that, the fourth seamers 269 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: were Jamison Wagner, Bolt or Saudi and they had Colin 270 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 3: de Gronholm as your backup who was a genuine number 271 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: seven guy who's capable of scoring Test centuries. Colinder Grondholm 272 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 3: is your fourth seema is a lot different than Nathan Smith, 273 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 3: your four seema where you have or Jacob Duffy where 274 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: you have to you're lengthening the tail and to be 275 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: I'm fear of Nathan Smith. I haven't seen enough from bat. 276 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: I do know he's capable with the bat, but there's 277 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: a difference between being capable of the bat first class 278 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: level and being capable with the bat when you're faced 279 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: with you know, at chest attack. They are not the 280 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: strongest English Test attack you can ever come across, but 281 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: still a good chest attack. So yeah, look they did 282 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: it last summer with Scott Coogar. Liners have four seamer. 283 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: He barely bold. He did slog a few runs in 284 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 3: one of the innings here, but I'm like you, I'd 285 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: actually rather see them play Will Young, make that batting 286 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: lineup really strong and say to Sally Henry all yours guys, 287 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: go get it done, Go get it done. 288 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: The other interesting piece of context around this, and I 289 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: don't know whether this changes anything, is obviously New Zealand 290 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: has to win effectively to stay in the running, and 291 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: you know there's different permutations and whatever, but basically New 292 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 2: Zealand needs to win this series three mel to give 293 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: themselves a shot at that World Test Championship final. So 294 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: I guess I was thinking about this, and you could 295 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: argue that picking four seamas is a more aggressive option 296 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: if you're trying to win a Test match. 297 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: But if it all seems effective. 298 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 299 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: And if your fourth seamer is as you say, it's 300 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: a I think I can't if you said Matt Henry 301 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: in there as well, but you know what an embarrassment 302 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: of Richards having Henry, Jamison and yeah de grondeom all 303 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: in the mix for selection, which you know we're not 304 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: in that position anymore. 305 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: So Yeah, I don't know who. 306 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: England would look at and go we would rather face 307 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: Duffy or we would rather face Smith. He's probably reasonably 308 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: familiar to a lot of them. Obviously McCullum would know 309 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: them both well. Jim Pattel's been in and around that 310 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: team as well, he would have some pretty decent insights 311 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: in Both of them have played county cricket. 312 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: I actually heard. 313 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: NASA the saying say, just as an aside, that Nathan 314 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: Smith was his the local pro at his at Radlett 315 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: in Hertfordshire before he ended up going off and playing, 316 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: getting sort of scaled up and going and playing. 317 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Was it for what's the ship? What's the source? 318 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: I think it was anyway, Yeah, someone described him as yep, 319 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: get him in the get him in the main team 320 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: because he wacks it and he bolves quick, which is 321 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: quite a nice, quite a pithy description for for Smith. 322 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, look it's a it's a it's a bit 323 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: of an interesting one in terms of I am intrigue. 324 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: I would like to see him, actually, you know, I 325 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: am intrigued by what Nathan Smith can offer. I just 326 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: hope they're confident that he will be a genuine option 327 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: and you know, just not the spear preck that spends 328 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: most of his time a third man. 329 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: And yes, yeah, exactly exactly as you. 330 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have a bit more of a chat about 331 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: I think there's some correspondence about Kanes. Maybe we'll come 332 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: back to that one. But I guess the big news 333 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: in this whole squad naming was Tim southy sensational career 334 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: coming to a close for New Zealand and DC. 335 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: You had a pretty decent scoop on this one. 336 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you probably read it first in the bounce. 337 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: To be. 338 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: Brutally honest, it was not that hard to anticipate. I 339 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: think the writing was on the wall as soon as 340 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 3: he handed the captaincy back. That was the signal that 341 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 3: selection was no longer guaranteed. He wouldn't have played every 342 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 3: you know, if they had the Afghanis Sand Test as 343 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: well in India, I think, you know, there was a 344 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 3: chance that he probably looking to play maybe four of 345 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: those Tests overseas. I think Gary said signal that he 346 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: wouldn't be playing every Test as it was. He got 347 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 3: too in India. I think he got both in Sri Lanka. 348 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 3: So that sounds about right, and it's the right time. 349 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: And there's just has been a lack of wickets. There's 350 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: no other way of putting it. You know, he's still 351 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 3: bowling a relatively nice shape with the new ball for 352 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: a couple of overs, but there doesn't seem to be 353 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 3: any punch when he comes back for those second and 354 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: third spells. He's used more as a holding bowler. And yeah, 355 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 3: I mean it just feels like the timing is right. 356 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: It's probably not his choice. But look, you go through 357 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: some of those numbers and there's a whole list here, 358 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 3: should we go through them? I mean, only Fleming Victorian 359 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: Taylor have played more than as one hundred and four Tests. 360 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: He's got the most teach winy wickets by any human 361 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: alive or dead. He's got the most Test wins by 362 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: a New Zealander at forty six. He's got the most 363 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: international wickets by a New Zealander. I think it's seven 364 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy international wickets. He's got the second most 365 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: Test wickets behind him. Ay, he's got the third most 366 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: ODI wickets behind for Tory and Mills, is it? I think? So? 367 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: I should have checked that really, And my favorite stat 368 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: of all, he's got the six most sixes in Test 369 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: history with ninety three and cheap as I hope he 370 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: swings for the hills and goes for one hundred and 371 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: sixes of this series. It's all over. 372 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 2: And I know we should be talking about, you know, 373 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: his seven for sixty four at Bengaluru and six. 374 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: For forty three and six for fifty eight. 375 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: Lords and you know all these these sensational bowling figures 376 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, But how good is 377 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 2: the sixers? 378 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: Thing? 379 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: Like when you look at the company that he is 380 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: rubbing shoulders with in there, Stokes, McCullum, Gilchrist, Gaale keallous 381 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Seywag Sharma, Lara, Ken's, Richard's, it's amazing, amazing company. And 382 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: I know you've got a couple more stats, but I 383 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: do love the three hundred Test wickets two hundred one 384 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: Day wickets and one hundred T twenty International wickets. That's 385 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: that's a good insight into his hosatility and commitment to 386 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: New Zealand. 387 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 3: Frankly, yeah, and he's one of only twenty five players 388 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: to have the two thousand runs in two hundred chest 389 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: wickets and another one of my favorite stats. And it 390 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: feels like I'm cheapening his legacy here a little bit 391 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: with batting stats when he was clearly a bowler who 392 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: could swing the willow a little bit. But only two 393 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 3: players have scored as many Test runs as him without 394 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: scoring a century. Can you name them? 395 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: Well, I reckon, I'm worn, I feel as one of 396 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 2: the two. But geez, I'm really struggling on the second one. 397 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: I'm god, I can't even I can't even think. I mean, 398 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That the sort of Lance Kenes or is 399 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 2: it someone really sort of niche out of the subcontinent. 400 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: I just don't know. 401 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: I'm very niche out of the sub continent. It was 402 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: the tree Link and work Keeper Narish and Dick Weller. 403 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: Geez, well, that's not quite as a illustrious company. 404 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: I feel like dick Weller's punching above his weight there 405 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: being in there with Southern and warned to be honest. 406 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, a sensational career. 407 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: And I'm sure as we as we see things unfold 408 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: over the next few weeks, it be great to reflect 409 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: on some of those magnificent performances from Timseuth and hopefully 410 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 2: he's got another one to give us over there, or another, 411 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: in fact, another six to give us. 412 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 3: It can't you reflect on something right now? Though? And 413 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: this is something that bothers me a little bit, And 414 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: it's on the comments of my news letter all the 415 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: time as well, and I hear it on talkback. He's 416 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 3: got all these incredible numbers. He was always available. He 417 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: made it very very clear that he put playing for 418 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: his country above anything else, and yet he's never quite 419 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: had the universal adoration in a way that a had 420 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: the Bond, or even Bolt and Wagner had. You did 421 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 3: you get that sense, and if so, do you have 422 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: any kind of reasons or any theories as to why 423 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: that might be? 424 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: Gosh, that's an interesting reflection. I don't know if I 425 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 2: feel like that. 426 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: I mean I do. 427 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 2: I don't think this is the point of what you say, 428 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 2: but I do feel like he has not muddled. I'm 429 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 2: trying to think so not let himself down, but I 430 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: guess not tarnished, because it makes it sound like he's done. 431 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 2: He's been bad, but the last couple of years have 432 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: been tough going. 433 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and you know, the best will in 434 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: the world and so on. 435 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 2: It's just been really hard to keep backing his selection 436 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: in the team and it's felt bad. 437 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: I think we've acknowledged it on here. 438 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: It's a horrible feeling to have this guy that's literally 439 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: given Parfa's life to playing for New Zealand very deliberately, 440 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: I think, has turned down a lot of the riches 441 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: going on around the world in terms of t twenties 442 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's just given as guts. 443 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: But it's an interesting point. 444 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: And I guess for a long time he was that 445 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: that duo with Trent Bolt, and maybe that's the maybe 446 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: that's the root of this of this feeling, you know. 447 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: I think in Bolt, I think Trent Bolt's favorite bowler 448 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: was was he Macram Tim So Howthy's favorite bowler was 449 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: Glen McGrath. 450 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: And I mean it's kind of. 451 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 2: That there's something in that that this kind of more Bolt, 452 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: I think more of an extrovert, more of an outgoing guy, 453 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: sort of laughing when he's out there, intensely competitive, and 454 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure Tim is exactly the same on that front, 455 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: just more of a more of a hype man, whereas 456 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 2: I feel like Tim's now he's a public persona is 457 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: more reserved and more low key and a bit more surly, 458 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: and you know, he's that sort of calming influence. So yeah, look, 459 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: I just think that public persona is quite is just 460 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: quite different. I mean everything you read about those both 461 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: of those guys actually, but you know, Tim feels like 462 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: he's a real alpha in that New Zealand dressing room. Yeah, 463 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: but like lots of these New Zealand sports people, you 464 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: do wonder whether he just pulls the shutters down a 465 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,199 Speaker 2: little bit when he heads out into public. 466 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: He's never been there polished in front of a camera 467 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 3: or a dictaphone, has he. It's always been he started 468 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 3: off for your Shakxi just to cut off Northland Farm 469 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: that kind of a little bit, I think, when you 470 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: know he maybe wasn't living up to his potential early 471 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: and he had a little bit of a reputation as 472 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 3: a party boy, which I don't think was ever totally justified. 473 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: I think there were elements of this story that might 474 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: have been true, But from what I've been told, he's 475 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 3: never been a big drinker, never lived a life of 476 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: excess la kind of your Jesse Ryders, Doug Bracewells, that 477 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: that kind of thing, like, he was always very dedicated 478 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 3: to the team and fitness. But I think that stuck 479 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 3: a little bit and I think it made him a 480 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 3: little bit weary from there. And after that, as you say, 481 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: I think shutters came down and the public really never 482 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: saw a totally Tim Southey who was totally engaged with them, 483 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 3: totally engaged with the cricket, totally engaged with the team, 484 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: but not that front facing. 485 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like one of those guys that's accidentally 486 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: famous and doesn't really dine out on it very much. 487 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, it was probably trying to keep a low profile. 488 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I had not a huge you know, I 489 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: don't follow thousands of cricketers on Instagram and so on. 490 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: But my sense is that trump Bolt will be a 491 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: lot more you know, living it up. 492 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: Through through those mediums than Tim Sally would. 493 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: And I love both of them, you know, it's just 494 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: a different approach, But I do think that, yeah, that 495 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: extroverted personality of trump Bolt maybe lends itself to being 496 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: more sort of beloved by the New Zealand public. And 497 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: it's sort of wrong because you know, if you're going 498 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: to go on the things that the cricket followers really 499 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: really want, it's that commitment to New Zealand, and I 500 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: think Tim's absolutely top of the heap on that front. 501 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 3: Is he in your Four Pillars of New Zealand past bowling? 502 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: More importantly, he absolutely is. 503 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 2: So Yeah, the Mount Rushmore of New Zealand paste bowling 504 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: for me was is Hadley, Southy, Bolt and Bond with 505 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 2: cheating here honorable mentions Wagner, Morrison and Martin. 506 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 3: Okay, well that's that's interesting. I think we've got something 507 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: very similar. But I also cheated. I mean, Sir j 508 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: had I mean that goes without saying he is. He's 509 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: not just the pillar or the Mount Rushmore. He's going. 510 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: I feel like the Mount Rushmore was on his farm. 511 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: It's on his land, it's on his. 512 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 3: Orchid orchard, and he's also commissioned the sculptor as well. 513 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: And he is selling photos of it for ninety nine 514 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: to ninety five. 515 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: Exactly with explicit instructions to make his just a little 516 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: bit larger than the rest of the sculptures. So him, 517 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: I've got term and trend. They almost come as a 518 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 3: package deal, and I was thinking about doing that as 519 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: a package deal, but no, they are separate. But the 520 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 3: tour really struggled with were how do I shoe horn 521 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: Jack Cowie and Shane Bond into the four pillars. Shane 522 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 3: Bond I saw nearly every delivery he bowled, and he 523 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: was a phenomenon, but he just wasn't available that often. 524 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: There was the cricket fastest New Zealand had a fifty 525 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: Test wickets and what eighteen tests eighty seven wickets, stress 526 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: for rictures to feat in backs and knee injuries and 527 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: ic El Shenanigan's. 528 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: You know, never bowling innings in Test cricket where he 529 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: didn't take a wicket, which is quite remarkable. Like the 530 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: guy was a gift, but he was a gift that 531 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: was snatched away from us all too often. And look, 532 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: it's a similar story with Jack Cowie. And I think 533 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 3: it was Wisdom Magazine said of or the Bible of 534 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 3: Cricket said of Jack Cowie. Had he been Australian. He 535 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 3: might have been termed a wonder of the age. 536 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: Gee, that is my praise. 537 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the guy only played nine tests. I 538 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: never saw it, clearly, I never saw it. His career 539 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 3: was between the two Tours of England of thirty seven 540 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: and forty nine. By the time he was on the 541 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: forty nine tour, I think he was a little bit 542 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 3: beyond past his best, but I think he's still averaged. 543 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: It seemed like twenty six per wicket on that tour. 544 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 3: Len Hatton said he was just dynamite quick, with a 545 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: spitting copra of an off break and a playing the 546 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: ball away. I think how he got Manhattan, who was 547 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: one of the great all time, for zero in one 548 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: in his Lord's debut, So yeah, terrific. So I'm putting 549 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 3: those in there because they played so seldom. They make 550 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: up one of my pillars. 551 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: Oh okay, right, they're sort of doing one hundred tests collectively, 552 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: sort of thing fifty plus or whatever it was. Yeah, yeah, interesting. 553 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 2: I've got also Jason Hoyt's text through his Matt Rushmore 554 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: and see what you think of this. Dale Hadley, Chris Pringle, 555 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: Derek Sterling, Martin Sneden, honorable mention Ben Lister. 556 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that sounds a lot like Jason Hoyt. 557 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: He's a massive fan of Martin Steden. Obviously he loves 558 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: the windmill action. 559 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: Chris Springle thirty wickets at forty six. Dale Hadley seventy 560 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: one wickets, not bad ye at thirty but best bowling 561 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 2: four for thirty. 562 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 563 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: Dale Hadley was poised to be a star as well, 564 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 3: and then he put his foot in a lawmar or something. 565 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: They got a horrific injury just as he was at 566 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: his peak. The late Derek Sterling, a fantastic CD servant, 567 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: pushed off the pickets of Fitzerbert Park, his home ground. 568 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, interesting choices. Hey, I've got a bit of 569 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 3: correspondence for you here. It's from Dylan Dylan Nielsen. Hey, guys, 570 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 3: I couldn't help but notice the buyc and the bounds broke. 571 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: The news of Tim Salle's retirement last week, which was 572 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: kind of expected. Slightly more worrying was Paul's confident declaration 573 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 3: there would also be Kane's last Test series. Was this 574 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 3: idle speculation or should I brace myself for the worst 575 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 3: of all news? Love the show, don't go missing from 576 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: a month again, please. 577 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: Interesting. 578 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, absolutely no inside information very much, 579 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 2: just a sort of a vibe thing really. I mean, 580 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: I just look at his ongoing injuries. I look at 581 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 2: the fact he's got three young kids, he's got an 582 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: English wife. 583 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: I yeah, I don't know. 584 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 3: It's baggeral test cricket coming out. 585 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 2: I looked at yeah, exactly. I look at the schedule. 586 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: We play England, then there's potentially the World Test Championship. 587 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: I think that there's some barbwey test matches. We've got, 588 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: only got the West Indies next summer. It doesn't give 589 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: him a lot to cling onto. And I just just 590 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: it was just a spidy census thing, to be honest, 591 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: you know, folding a couple of other things. You know, 592 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: the captaincy changed, Tom Latham's in there, Tom Latham and 593 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: Gary Stead. There's an axis there. He's off to the 594 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: South African Premier League. So you know he's obviously key 595 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 2: to play, but sort of play in other ways. And 596 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: start to see a bit more activity around his business interests. 597 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: I think he's involved in apples, he's involved in I 598 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: think I saw Kombucher. 599 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 3: So yeah, local kom Butcher brew not beare yeah. 600 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 2: A couple of yeah, the last couple of couple of months, 601 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: and then I don't want to I've got no sense 602 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: of the timing on this, but you know, I saw 603 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: him in the nets at Hamilton before the Planket Shield 604 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: game that he's playing currently, and it seemed to me 605 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: that like Tim Soudy was, you know, just like he 606 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: seemed unburdened, and he seemed quite flippant and quite loose, 607 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: and he said some quite poignant things, you know, talking 608 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: about agent stage and obviously kind of reflecting on to 609 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: Southey's career alongside his mortality. 610 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 3: During that he. 611 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: Did he did contemplate his own mortality and yeah, coaches, 612 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: I think that B and D and it just made 613 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: me think, just slip out the side door, that he 614 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: wouldn't want thunder from Tim, I wouldn't want a song 615 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: and dance, but everything we can to make sure he's 616 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: here at least till next summer surely. 617 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, worryingly, I think you might be onder something there. 618 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: And again, this is the top of the head stuff. 619 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to make it sound like I've got 620 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 3: a connection into the Williamson family or anything like that. 621 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 3: I haven't, but there was a couple of things that 622 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: give me hope that he might press on and and 623 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 3: one of them is they're on his casual contract. I mean, 624 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 3: he's an all time great, he's New Zealand Cricket's McCaw 625 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 3: and the way he carries himself and the way he 626 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: goes about it, and because he's on this casual contract, 627 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: you can actually taylor his calendar to what he wants 628 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 3: to do effectively. I know that might not go down 629 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 3: well with everyone, and I know he might himself feel 630 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: that that's taking the past, but that's kind of what 631 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 3: they've been doing for the past four years. Anyway. He's 632 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 3: missed a lot of cricket. Some of it's been through injury, well, 633 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 3: a lot of it's been through injury, but some of 634 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 3: it's just been through not engaging with some of these 635 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: bilateral these endless bilateral series that are going on. I've 636 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: kind of had a look at the calendar for the 637 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: next cycle. Dylan kleback, Yeah, assistant, I'm not going to 638 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: do it now. I will save it, save it for 639 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 3: next week if anyone's interested in. But I reckon I 640 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: got a way of getting him through to the twenty 641 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: twenty seven Cricket World Cup, which is when we can 642 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 3: say goodbye that home summer, that Southern Hemisphere summer. The 643 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: twenty six twenty seven they're away in Australia for three tests, 644 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: so I'd love to see him have one more crack 645 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: at Australia and then they're also home. I think maybe 646 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 3: it's a bumper summer. They might even be home to 647 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: England and Sri Lanka there and I've just got I 648 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 3: can see parades down the main street of Mount Monganoi, 649 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 3: a final farewell at Bay Oval, but Dylan Klever led 650 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 3: hikoy Yeah, New Zealand cricket free entry, spill over into 651 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: Blake Park for big screens, free beer, free captain's hats, 652 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: free rocket apples, you know, maybe even an investa sture 653 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 3: how you say that word, where you get a New 654 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 3: Zealand or a merit awarded to them at lunch on 655 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: the first day. All this sort of stuff that he 656 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 3: absolutely did test, but we're just going to make him 657 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 3: do it. 658 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 2: I was going to say, it's a fever dream for 659 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 2: you and a fever nightmare for him, That's exactly. 660 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Yeah, I look forward to that. 661 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 2: Maybe you could write that up as a Google calendar 662 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 2: that we can all that you could share and we 663 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: can all sort of embed that into our list of 664 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: calendars on Google and we can kind of keep an 665 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 2: eye on we came. 666 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 3: I can do that. I'm finding close to having already 667 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: done it. 668 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: Oh you do worry me at at times, Dylan. Yeah, well, Dylan, 669 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 2: I can tell you England have landed. I've seen the 670 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 2: photos of them coming into Queenstown, the classic stereotype photos 671 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: of the bags coming off the plane, and looks like 672 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: they are gearing up for some golf at Millbrook ahead 673 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: of the New Zealand at Cricket eleven at the Sir 674 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 2: John Davies over eleven am. I guess my question is 675 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: up game or are they really just actually here to 676 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: play golf. 677 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 3: They're certainly here to play golf initially. It's a very 678 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 3: bassball way of going about things, isn't it. There's plenty 679 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: of choices down there as well. In fact, it's not 680 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 3: so long ago that my oldest child went around Central 681 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 3: Otago playing a bit of golf. So if they get 682 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 3: sick of Millbrook, they can shoot down to Roxburgh, which 683 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: is a lot of fun. There's all sorts of courses 684 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: there can't go wrong, but arrow Town's always good for 685 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: the soul. Yeah, I hope they're as distracted as can 686 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: be because I've still got that World Test Championship, hope, 687 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 3: and that requires England to play their part in a 688 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: series loss have. 689 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: Isolated through our ongoing analysis. We need the distractions to win. 690 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, a bit of golf that will be helpful. 691 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: World Test Championship is not going to be as distraction 692 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 2: for they're pretty much stuffed. They've just lost a series 693 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: in Pakistan, but they one day series in the West Indies. 694 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: Brenda McCollums taken on the white ball reins feels like 695 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: it could be another distraction with her James Anderson and 696 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 2: his wife bleating about him being dropped in the media 697 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 2: even though he's about as old as Methuselah and. 698 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 3: His wife has not taken Awhall, has she She. 699 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: Must have had her clothing allowance reduced or something. And 700 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 2: we've got the IPL action coming up next week as well. 701 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 3: So he's in that though James Anderson's in. 702 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes he is. 703 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 2: I tell you one that I did see went pretty 704 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: well over in the West Indies as the new boy 705 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 2: Jacob Bethel who he's only twenty one years old, but 706 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: they are talking about him same hushed tones as they 707 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 2: were talking about Harry Brook. So that's what Marcus Stroscothic thinks. 708 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, look out. 709 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: Okay, there's another big series about to start as well, 710 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 3: this time across the Tasman and that's one that I'm 711 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 3: tremendously looking forward to. And I'm not sure. I haven't 712 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 3: worked out the WTC implications yet and what is the 713 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 3: best result for New Zealand. But I'm assuming that we're 714 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 3: assuming that Australia are going to be kind of in 715 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 3: so if they beat India that probably helps how things go. 716 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, there's a few Well, Australia had their issue 717 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 3: replacing David Warner, but India have gone next level with 718 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 3: their issues. And at the top of the order, Rowat 719 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: Sharma is not there on opportunity leave shouldn't and Gill 720 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 3: has cracked something and is unavailable, and they are looking 721 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 3: at kl Rah Hall opening the batting, and maybe a 722 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 3: young fellow called Paddy Carl who was in the India 723 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 3: squad that lost to quite heavily to Australia. A and 724 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 3: a couple of unofficial tests, joining him at the top 725 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 3: of the order. 726 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that that's a massive loss. 727 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: Shouldn Gil being out. I mean, he's he's scary. 728 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 2: Ko Roll got one on the got crunched on the 729 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: hand this week as well, So I think he's been 730 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: for scans, but it's been cleared warming up at the whacker. Actually, 731 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 2: Charmi is also an Coli'S been for some scans. 732 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, they're really they are really in the wars. 733 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 2: Australia too, have got their troubles, as you say, new 734 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: opener even opened in Sheffield. Shield cricket nicknamed Buddha after 735 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: childhood cricket coach Fat shamed him and he's never been 736 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: able to shake the nickname. 737 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: And of course they've got Cameron. 738 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: Green out with the buggered back headed Marsha just back 739 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: from parental leave as well. And you know, both teams 740 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: really are. It's Army gets thrown around a lot, but geez, gentleman, 741 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 2: in these teams. I mean, I think Australia, every single 742 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 2: player apart from McSweeney. 743 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: Is over thirty five. 744 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 3: Is that? 745 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: I think that's what I saw made. No, that's not true. 746 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 2: Over thirty Macsweeny's the only guy that's under thirty, he's 747 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 2: twenty five. And then yeah, the Indians have got you know, 748 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: lots of old dogs in there as well, you know 749 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: row It Cooley, Boomera, Ashwyn, you know. Yeah, they've got 750 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 2: some old buggers in there too. So yeah, it's going 751 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,320 Speaker 2: to be interesting. I'm really looking forward to seeing Richard 752 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 2: part go berserk and yashas Vijai's while he looked potentially 753 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 2: ominous but ultimately wasn't against New Zealand. 754 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, I sure he had his moment Stindy and 755 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 3: that that series, that five test series starts at the 756 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 3: very user friendly time zone for New Zealand three twenty 757 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 3: pm on Friday at not the Whacker, I was just 758 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 3: about to say the Whacker by default, but the Opus 759 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 3: Optus in Perth. Sorry, it's a four test series. Yeah, 760 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 3: before they move on there, I think they have a 761 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 3: pink ball warm up in Canberra and they play a 762 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 3: pink ball test in Adelaide that didn't go so well 763 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 3: for India last time out, all out thirty something in 764 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 3: that test. Then they go up to the Gabatoire and 765 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 3: that series ends with the Boxing Day Test in Melbourne. 766 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 2: So you've got haven't they got the Sydney They've got 767 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 2: the Sydney one in there. I don't think I just 768 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:16,919 Speaker 2: don't think it's in our notes. 769 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 3: I think it is year ye, that New Year's Day 770 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 3: test that would make sense my notes. 771 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 1: And there's a bit of. 772 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 2: There's a bit of speculation that those first three tests 773 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 2: per Adelaide and Brisbane have been set up in that 774 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 2: order to sort of try and get just But I 775 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 2: think I heard Simon dal saying that this week, which 776 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 2: I think is an interesting and interesting theory, they kind 777 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 2: of want him to be wrecked by the time. Well, 778 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,919 Speaker 2: there's speculation, I guess, conspiracy theory, speculation rather than any 779 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 2: anything official, that they want him cooked by the time 780 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 2: Boxing Day and the STG matches roll around. 781 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: So an interesting thing to watch out for there. 782 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 2: And probably the biggest decision that India have to make 783 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 2: is which spinner. 784 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: They're going to be picking. Do they pack at Jadasia, 785 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,799 Speaker 1: do they pick an Ashwin? Yeah, it's going to be 786 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: interesting to see that. Obviously got coolled it. 787 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 2: The yard ave in there as well, but you'd expect 788 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 2: he's a bit of a he's more shitty on the 789 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: batting front, so so, but yeah, magnificent can't wait to 790 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 2: get stuck into that series DC. Just to bring things 791 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 2: down the level, Let's have a quick look at the 792 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 2: planket shield before we get out of here. 793 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well the planket shield is in full swing 794 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 3: now around two is underway and we'll go around the 795 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 3: grounds at Seddon Park. This is just from after the 796 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 3: first day. Actually, I haven't had a chance to do 797 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 3: much of a catch up today, but after the first 798 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 3: day at Seddon Park, ND word out for two hundred 799 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 3: and sixty eight with Williamson and I have to confess 800 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 3: it was a fairly painstaking sixty, but he's still top 801 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 3: scored with sixty with the late blooming Jordan Sussex three 802 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 3: fifty three and Danrew Ferns three sixty two Auckland were 803 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 3: cruising along in reply at Sex and Oval CD just 804 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 3: all out for disappointing two hundred and two d cleaver 805 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 3: quality start. The season continues with fifty four not out. 806 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 3: Camp Paul was the chief destroyer for the Cantabs, taking 807 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 3: five to thirty four, and just on a little note, 808 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 3: Camp Paul was the son of Justin Paul, who wrote 809 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,959 Speaker 3: the brilliant essay letter to Israel. We've had Justin Paul 810 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 3: on the show to talk about that. Yeah, and you 811 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 3: can check out the essay in full on the Bounce 812 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 3: Substack newsletter. I'd encourage you to do that. Canterbury, the 813 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 3: last I saw about eighty odd for two with Rehys 814 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 3: Marry who was not out in the forties and at 815 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 3: University Oval, Wellington. We're in a really good position. Three 816 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty nine for six Overnight Nickelley one hundred 817 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 3: and fifty four, Logan van Beek continuing his fine start 818 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 3: to the season for sixty eight. I think they were 819 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 3: dismissed relatively quickly this morning three fifty seven, three fifty 820 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 3: seven year. I thought it was a bit of a 821 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,959 Speaker 3: collapse and Otago were doing right. They lost the earlier 822 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 3: wik at of Thorn Parks, but I saw Jacob Cumming 823 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 3: had scored a few runs. I'm not sure how they're 824 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 3: going at the moment, but yeah, just a quick rundown 825 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 3: of the Golden Box, which is the award that the 826 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 3: BYC gives to the top scoring plunket shield batter for 827 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 3: the season. D Cleaver CD leading the way with two 828 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 3: five with the two Willingtonians Van Beek and Nick Kelly 829 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 3: closely following on one nine to six. The silver Sweatband 830 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 3: may have changed a little bit depending on Liam Dudding 831 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 3: is doing the CD transplant that's ended up in Wellington 832 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 3: this year. Dan rul Ferns though leads away on nine 833 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 3: and I think Dudding in Sussex were next at eight, 834 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 3: although that may have changed. And just a little bit 835 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 3: of a recap here. We had a really messy end 836 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 3: to last season, clearly involved Jason Hoyt just not turning 837 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 3: up and the studio being refitted, but essentially we went 838 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 3: missing as the domestic season concluded. So you might not 839 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 3: be aware that last year's winners of the Golden Box 840 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 3: was Dale Phillips of Otago was six eighty six, so 841 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 3: he's defending champion, with the runner up being Garris Severin 842 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 3: of Wellington was six x seven and a special shout 843 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 3: out to the for the over forties, Greg Hay nearly 844 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 3: stole it actually you can pile six hundred and forty 845 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 3: three in his final season for the Mighty CD. What 846 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 3: a warrior he was. And the Silver Sweatband winner was 847 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 3: Nathan Smith of Wellington with thirty three and the runner 848 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 3: up was Otago's Jacob Duffy with one. So I guess 849 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 3: it's nice to see that plunkettshield performances certainly, and when 850 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 3: it comes to the ball we're being rewarded. So yeah, look, 851 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 3: if anyone knows Nathan Smith and Dale Phillips, if you 852 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: can get in touch with them and get them to 853 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 3: send back their trophies so we can get the golden 854 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 3: box engraved and the silver sweatband embossed for the new 855 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 3: winners if needed. Well, my word, this is embarrassing. Just 856 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 3: as we're about to cross over to Pool for his 857 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 3: wonderfully can pile Old Violence Corner, which was going to 858 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,919 Speaker 3: be a nice little warm up for this week's Who 859 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 3: Am I, our PC at this end has completely crashed. 860 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 3: Just too much good cricket information today, too much for 861 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 3: it to handle. So we're going to have to pull 862 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 3: the pin there, and we thank you for your patience, 863 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 3: We thank you for your listenership. We love having you 864 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,720 Speaker 3: along for the ride. But it is unfortunately a truncated 865 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,279 Speaker 3: BYC this week, but we will be back with the 866 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 3: full show next week. Thanks for joining us.