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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 3: News folk said, be.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today, a

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Speaker 4: terrorism expert is going to explain to us how presumably

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Speaker 4: Israel managed to blow up all those pages. Another mill

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Speaker 4: is confirmed as closing in New Zealand. This time it's

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Speaker 4: actually our only paper recycling mills, so we'll find out

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Speaker 4: what happens to all of our paper in this country.

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Speaker 4: And Instagram is bringing in some changes for users under eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Will get you across that.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, listen, I reckon.

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Speaker 4: It's time we ordered our government workers back into the office,

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Speaker 4: don't you. They've been out of the office since the

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Speaker 4: COVID days and the lockdowns, have been sort of working

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Speaker 4: from home for a while. Over in New South Wales,

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Speaker 4: they're not putting up with it anymore. They told all

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Speaker 4: their government workers are going back, told them this last

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Speaker 4: month they'll be working principally from the office, not from

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Speaker 4: their homes, And they just did that yesterday. At Amazon,

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Speaker 4: they told the workers there from the second of January,

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Speaker 4: it's five days a week in the office, thank you

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Speaker 4: very much. But open the newspapers in New Zealand today

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Speaker 4: and apparently not our public servants are still working from home.

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Speaker 4: They are still demanding to only work on Tuesdays, Wednesdays

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Speaker 4: and Thursdays in the office. They stay at home on

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Speaker 4: Fridays and Mondays. Nawhy's new outfit. This is Robert Walters

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Speaker 4: is quoted today are saying that the majority of people

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Speaker 4: that they encounter still want hybrid working and if they

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Speaker 4: don't get enough days at home when they're interviewing for

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Speaker 4: a job, sometimes they just don't take the job because

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Speaker 4: that's what they're into.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: The flexible working arrangement and a lot of jobs that

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Speaker 4: Robert Walters is offering actually already just allow the workers

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Speaker 4: to stay at home on you guessed it, Mondays and

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Speaker 4: Fridays either side of the weekend. Now, the implications for Wellington,

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Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, this is so bad in

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Speaker 4: Wellington that you can actually see it in the traffic.

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Speaker 4: It's actually lighter on a Monday and a Friday. And

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Speaker 4: the implications for Wellington are that this is part of

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Speaker 4: the reason why Wellington hospitality and retail workers or businesses

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Speaker 4: rather are suffering after work drinks on a Friday have

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Speaker 4: disappeared in any bars. Some bars see them happening on Thursdays. Now, now,

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Speaker 4: you cannot tell me that you're doing after work drinks

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Speaker 4: on a Thursday and you're still putting in a full

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Speaker 4: day's work on a Friday. Of course you're not. The

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Speaker 4: end of your week is on a Thursday, and you're

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Speaker 4: doing light duties on a Friday, aren't you. You're taking

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Speaker 4: the mickey on the taxpayer dollar. So I actually think,

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Speaker 4: for the good of the Wellington economy and for the

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Speaker 4: good of us actually getting our money's worth out of

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Speaker 4: these highly paid public servants, it's well past time that

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Speaker 4: our government ordered these people back into the office five

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Speaker 4: days a week. Increasingly we are starting to realize working

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Speaker 4: from home doesn't work, course it doesn't. I mean you're

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Speaker 4: cash roll and sitting on the couch. It's quite This

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Speaker 4: is ultimately the equation you have to ask yourself it's

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Speaker 4: quite simple. Who do you think is more likely to

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Speaker 4: be doing it right? Amazon, one of the biggest companies

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Speaker 4: in the world, one of the Magnificent seven, huge successful,

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Speaker 4: telling its people to get back in the office five

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Speaker 4: to meet any targets at all. I'd go with Amazon, right,

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Speaker 4: And if it's good enough for Amazon, should be good

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Speaker 4: enough for our government workers. So I think it's quite

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Speaker 4: quite well past the date that we got these people

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Speaker 1: Ever, due for CEL nineteen nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Is the text number. Standard text fees apply Auckland Harbor's Bridge. Geez,

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Speaker 4: speaking of things that just carry on, We've got another

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Speaker 4: segment in this particular debate about Auckland's Harbor Bridge, another proposal,

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Speaker 4: this time to rival the mayor's idea of building over

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Speaker 4: Meola Reef. This time it's a new six lane bridge

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Speaker 4: right next to the existing Harbor Bridge, which would allow

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Speaker 4: one bridge to take the traffic going north and then

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Speaker 4: the other bridge to take the traffic going south. Now,

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Speaker 4: the man behind this is the architect who actually thought

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Speaker 4: up Skypath, Garth Faulkner. Hey, Garth, Hello, I'm very well,

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Speaker 4: thank you. I've been told you've actually met with the

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Speaker 4: mayor Wayne Brown on this. What's he said, it's.

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Speaker 5: It's had a good discussion and he's been interested in

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Speaker 5: looking at multiple crossing options and looking at opportunity for

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Speaker 5: urban regeneration and looking at other options rather than expensive tunnel.

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Speaker 4: What she said about your version of what you want

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Speaker 4: to do, because he's already got one.

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Speaker 5: He's floated this idea of the Meola Reef and he

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Speaker 5: seems quite keen on that we have generated a third

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Speaker 5: bridge optum what we call them the pauseway after the discussion,

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Speaker 5: so he hasn't really seen that, but he's seen our

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Speaker 5: water Matar bridge, which is this graceful curving structure to

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Speaker 5: the west of the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

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Speaker 4: And did you convince him that it was better than

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Speaker 4: his Meola Reef version.

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Speaker 5: I think he feels that it would be better for

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Speaker 5: a bridge to be away from the central city choke

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Speaker 5: point based on the number of vehicles going through that

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Speaker 5: passage that aren't actually aiming to stop in the central city.

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Speaker 5: He has, he has, but I think overall the priority

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Speaker 5: has to has to land firstly with providing some support

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Speaker 5: the harbor. And one of the things we talked about

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Speaker 5: with Mere Brown was in San Francisco, which is a

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Speaker 5: similar city divided by a large water body. It's got

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Speaker 5: seven bridges and one of them make the San Mateo

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Speaker 5: Haywood Bridges, a living columbuses long and they connect community

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Speaker 4: Okay, because the problem I have with you one, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I love the idea, but the problem is exactly what

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Speaker 4: Wayne Brown has identified, which is you are still funneling

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Speaker 4: all the cars Upstate Highway one. Like if you're coming

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Speaker 4: from the south, all of them still have to go

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Speaker 5: Well, what it does under this proposal there will be

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Speaker 5: and that's the area of growth that we can really

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Speaker 5: lean to that choke point at the moment. But also

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Speaker 5: we can open up the two eastern lanes which about

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Speaker 5: eight meters wide for pedestrian walking and cycling, which you

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Speaker 5: could take to start off with about five percent of

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Speaker 5: would it would would ease that congestion straight away, but

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Speaker 4: Okay, Garth, thank you. I really appreciate you talking us

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Speaker 4: through this. Garth Faulkner, who's the director of Reset Urban

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Speaker 4: Design and the guy who actually thought up the skypath.

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Speaker 4: P Diddy is not going to get bail on those

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Speaker 4: sex trafficking charges that he was arrested over yesterday. A

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Speaker 4: magistrate has ordered him to be held without bail after

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Speaker 4: he pleaded not guilty. Now he is accused. This is

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Speaker 4: some of the detailer is so grim. I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to tell you about it. You can go read about

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Speaker 4: it if you want to, but it just sounds pretty

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Speaker 4: messed up. He was prepared, by the way, to pay

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Speaker 4: of the slammer and go on home dey with you know,

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Speaker 4: an ankle bracelet and all that stuff. But the magistrate said, nah, yes,

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Speaker 4: staying right where you are in the slammer until you

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Speaker 4: can face your trial. And God only knows how long

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Speaker 4: that takes. Over there quarter.

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Speaker 2: Past, Digging deeper into the day's headlines, It's hither Duper

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Speaker 2: c Allen Drive with one New Zealand one giant leap

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Speaker 2: for business used talks at b Sport with tab get

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Speaker 4: Eighteen passable Darcy water Grave sports talk hosters, It's Mellow.

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Speaker 3: Dars and the latest from the cricket heather to plus

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Speaker 3: the Allen is.

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Speaker 4: Sri Lanka is batting first because they won the toss

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Speaker 4: and they elected to bat.

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Speaker 6: Look at that.

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Speaker 3: You want to do something after seven?

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Speaker 4: That's all I know. I don't understand anything beyond there

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Speaker 4: is this a good decision from them?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's their decision and it's their home ground, so

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Speaker 3: cool plane. There is the best decision to make. Otherwise

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Speaker 3: they wouldn't have done it right.

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Speaker 4: Is gone started right, which is better than the lasts

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Speaker 4: that we tried to.

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Speaker 3: Playing to do. But that wasn't the last lot's fault.

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Speaker 3: Well it kind of was, because they chose to go

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Speaker 4: That's opposed to you refer to being India.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, the the greater the ground greater

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Speaker 3: annoyeder anymore. We can call it less annoyed because that

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Speaker 3: very annoyed. It that I'm very annoyed.

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Speaker 4: Spect I love it. Okay, the calm Games, so as

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Speaker 3: Who do you take?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean? Who do you take?

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Speaker 3: Well, what's sports? Because they've got four stadiums, so they've

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Speaker 3: got an athletics.

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Speaker 4: Rugby stadium home prepared for this.

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Speaker 3: They've got a swimming venue, they've got indoor stadiums, and

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Speaker 3: they've got a validrome.

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Speaker 4: Okay, they have got the validromes for the cycling is safe.

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Speaker 4: They have got these Scott's Tone stadiums. So athletics and

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Speaker 4: rugby is safe because there's rugby field there.

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Speaker 3: Well, you think rugby would be premiinent because the sevens

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Speaker 3: is very good, a lot of people are involving in that,

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Speaker 4: So what is the sec C? What does that endoor venue?

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Speaker 3: maybe things like netball might he think so, because it's

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Speaker 3: cricket's gone cricket lawn bowls does that end up being

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Speaker 3: Zella Noil is all played indoors, So there's a chance

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Speaker 3: that sticks around. Hockey's gone there, badminton might stay indoors.

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Speaker 3: Number the wrestling disciplines could stay in there, with boxing

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Speaker 3: what a fort what doesn't cost them anything, and the

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Speaker 3: crowds will turn up to watch, right, squash? Can they

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Speaker 3: throw up one of those squash courts, you know, like

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Speaker 3: they do those last ones.

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Speaker 4: So this morning what happened is thousands of pages in

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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Speaker 2: your car on your drive home, Heather duple Cy Alan

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Speaker 1: News talk as z'd be.

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Speaker 4: Pleas either. I'm a trade with thirty years on the job.

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Speaker 4: haven't you? Yes, I have. Now Today big news another

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Speaker 1: The world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: Starting in the Middle East where Kibula are promising revenge

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Speaker 4: To the campaign trail in the US where jd. Vance

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Speaker 4: Of all things, Maizi. The porcupine suffered complications during labor,

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Speaker 4: don't we all that required the procedure to protect her

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Speaker 4: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondence with US Now, Hello.

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Speaker 12: Dan, and that's why I am a proud San Diego

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Speaker 4: Hi, Okay, things you are proud of, but how you

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Speaker 4: So how long is he going to be in the

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Speaker 12: I think he's going to be in there for a while.

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Speaker 12: And I think when he this case is all said

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Speaker 12: I think they've interviewed at least a dozen witnesses who

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Speaker 4: Apparently what he was doing was he was getting dudes

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Speaker 12: a little bit of ambiguity in some of the articles

437
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Speaker 12: that I've read, But I think that a lot of

438
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Speaker 12: what I read was to do with controlling and he

439
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 12: was buying a lot of these women with drugs and

440
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Speaker 12: you know, extortion and I'm holding my financial support from you.

441
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 12: So these are all the allegations, and I think that's,

442
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 12: you know, what's going to get him in the aird.

443
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Speaker 4: So sort of they were coerced into doing it, and

444
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 4: doing it because they were afraid because he was using

445
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 4: violence and blackmail and stuff like that. Okay, so how

446
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 4: long do they wait these guys before they actually go

447
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Speaker 4: to trial for something like this on a federal case.

448
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Speaker 12: I think it really just depends on the attorneys to

449
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Speaker 12: tell you the truth.

450
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Speaker 1: You know.

451
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Speaker 12: You know, some of these things can get as we've

452
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 12: seen and with with with Trump's case, can be sped up,

453
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Speaker 12: and as we've seen with other cases, can drag out

454
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Speaker 12: for for you know a number of rappers who can

455
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Speaker 12: drag out for years and years. I think it just

456
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Speaker 12: depends how much money they're willing to throw at these

457
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Speaker 12: at this case and how long they're going to try

458
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Speaker 12: to drag their heels.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's going to be interesting. Americans are at peak

460
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Speaker 4: straits apparently.

461
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Speaker 1: Why why not? Is what I say.

462
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Speaker 12: I think we have politics to tell you about right now.

463
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 12: I think we still have COVID. I think we have

464
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 12: the economy. And my two senses, you're listening to this

465
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,239
Speaker 12: in New Zealand right now, and you're going, oh, right now,

466
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 12: they're soft over there. But I think this is something

467
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 12: that's not just relatable here in the US, but around

468
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 12: the world because of everything I just mentioned, and the

469
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Speaker 12: cutbacks at work and more work for those who are

470
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Speaker 12: staying in the office, and it all adds up. And

471
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Speaker 12: I think we're seeing a lot more brainfall as well,

472
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 12: which I know is one of those sort of catchphrases

473
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 12: everybody thinks is cute, but I think is something legitimate.

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Speaker 4: Well do you think brain fog is? What's brain fog?

475
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 12: I can tell you that I know a number of

477
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Speaker 12: people in different situations. My sister, who went through cancer treatment,

478
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Speaker 12: she described brain fog that she had for a year

479
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 12: or more because of all the treatments that you have.

480
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Speaker 12: I think you have people who suffer from sleep deprivation,

481
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 12: asleep apnea too, that describe that, you know, they have

482
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Speaker 12: brain fog because they're just not getting us the amount

483
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Speaker 12: of sleep they should be. And then I think there's

484
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 12: just this assumption that we can multitask, which is been

485
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Speaker 12: proven to physically be impossible. We cannot multitask. Our brain

486
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 12: can go from one event to another. But and your

487
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 12: boss is not gonna like hearing that. My boss doesn't

488
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Speaker 12: like hearing that. But we can't do that, and our

489
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 12: brain just kind of fizzles out after a while.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like brain fo sounds.

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Speaker 12: I don't think I've sold you on this.

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Speaker 4: No, I was like, she gonna say, sounds like something

493
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Speaker 4: that I think we're all familiar with. Actually, okay, it's

494
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 4: like a sleep maybe. But you know who knows?

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Speaker 7: You know that?

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Speaker 4: Boy, don't we all? I think? Oh? Mate, how was

497
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 4: the Barry Manilo concert at the weekend?

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Speaker 12: Oh, it was the happiest concert that I have ever

499
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Speaker 12: been to.

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Speaker 4: He started to look on the small day like he's

501
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Speaker 4: getting old.

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Speaker 12: He hear is and you can tell he's had a

503
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Speaker 12: lot of work done on his face. His voice is

504
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Speaker 12: still fantastic. I was able to go after the show

505
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Speaker 12: and spend a few minutes with him and talk to him.

506
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Speaker 12: The nicest guy in the world. I would go back

507
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Speaker 12: and see that show in a heartbeat, which is as

508
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Speaker 12: vagacy as that sounds.

509
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Speaker 1: It was amazing.

510
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Speaker 4: I would go with you if I had the option. Dan,

511
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Speaker 4: thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate. This Dan Mitchison,

512
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Speaker 4: US correspondent. He's slightly embarrassed that he went to see

513
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 4: Barry Manilo. But listen, there was a reason Barry Manilo

514
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 4: was begg was because Barry Manilo knew what he was doing.

515
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Speaker 4: And he is a happy guy. Okay, So on the paper,

516
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 4: mil So something that's much less happy. The paper mill

517
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: that's closing in Penrose and Auckland is the only mill

518
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 4: in this country that recycles paper, which means all of

519
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 4: our paper will now be sent to Malaysia, Like all

520
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: of our paper for recycl is going to go on

521
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: a ship and go to Malaysia. Now, I think already

522
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 4: Auckland council paper, so Auckland rate payers, already the paper

523
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 4: you checking your recycling, but is going to Malaysia anyway.

524
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 4: I think it's now the rest of the country that's affected,

525
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: maybe private businesses who want to recycle and stuff like that.

526
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: But anyway, surely someone's done the maths about which is

527
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 4: worse for the environment or which is better, Like is

528
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 4: it better for us to collect all that paper together

529
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: and check it on a ship with the carbon emissions

530
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 4: and send it to Malaysia or is it actually better

531
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: for us to just dump it in a landfill in

532
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 4: New Zealand. There's only break down in a few years.

533
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: We're going to talk to the recycling expert, Perule Sued

534
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 4: at Auckland Council, who be at US ten plus five.

535
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 4: It's quarter two right now.

536
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: For politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments.

537
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: Certainty, very so for senior political correspondence with US now Barry, Hello.

538
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 13: Good afternoon, Happy birthday to you.

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00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 4: Lord, Thank you, thank you. That's be the end of

540
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 4: that for today.

541
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Speaker 13: I thank You're the one person I know that never

542
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 13: wants to celebrate any birthdays in any great way.

543
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Speaker 4: It's not because I'm worried about getting old, Because no,

544
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: I don't like the attention. And you're doing it now

545
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: and you're on radio. Okay, so tell me about Whinston

546
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 4: Peter's a bit grouchy in parliament today.

547
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 13: Well, you know it was feisty and he was at

548
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 13: the center of it all. I've got to say it

549
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 13: was to the foe defending his sidekick Shane Jones, who

550
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 13: was poking borax at Labor leader Chris Hipkins leaving tomorrow

551
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 13: for the British Labor Party conference in Liverpool. Frustrated Peters

552
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 13: was raising issue with the Speaker, Jerry Brownly about what

553
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 13: the debate has been reduced to in parliament. Here's the

554
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 13: borax poking Jones, how.

555
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 14: Does a trip to London by a parliamentarian.

556
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 13: Seeking economic and political salvation contribute to the reduction of

557
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 13: global emissions?

558
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Speaker 15: I'm right, sever their questions all the.

559
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 3: Roder this figure.

560
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Speaker 16: This is a parliament where you're allowed to debate ideas

561
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 16: and concepts, and a very innocent question as to whether

562
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 16: our country's carbon footprint isn't answer by the needless travel

563
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 16: or not.

564
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 15: The arbiter of whether or not a question could be

565
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 15: asked is actually the speaker, and I've said that one No,

566
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 15: don't argue.

567
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 16: The arbiter is not the Speaker's personality. It is tradition

568
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 16: and precedent and I'm afraid this Parliament is being because

569
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 16: the words, but as being negatied by unfair rulings. This

570
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 16: is a place of raging war in terms of political

571
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 16: ideas and debate.

572
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: We welcome it.

573
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 16: We're one of the world's great democracies. So please don't

574
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 16: spoil that development yet.

575
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: Now, I know you looked up negatied and it is

576
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: a word.

577
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 13: It basically means the negative aspect of what parliament has become.

578
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: I see, okay, I've never heard of it.

579
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 13: And I probably did what you were about to do

580
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 13: was look it up and see what it did really mean.

581
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 13: I thought, hello, Winston's.

582
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: Not He does have a good vocabulary.

583
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 13: He has an excellent vocaver you.

584
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: Then he got grumpy at somebody else.

585
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

586
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 13: The debate went essentially from bad to words and Winston

587
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 13: was at the center of it again taking exception to

588
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 13: a Maori Party MP. Takuta Ferris's electoral success, you will

589
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 13: remember last year was one of the surprises of the campaign.

590
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 13: His win was unexpected the family of the incumbent Reno

591
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 13: Terra Cautine. They've held the Tea Titanga electorate for seventy

592
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 13: two of the last ninety one years, which is extraordinary.

593
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 13: And this man came along and he won the seat,

594
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 13: but landed himself in hot water this afternoon when he

595
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 13: pointed the finger at the dishonesty of politicians, Ferris denies.

596
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 13: He claimed politicians were liars. But you ever listen and

597
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 13: see what you think.

598
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 17: Politicians call this obsification the art of making something unclear,

599
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 17: intentionally vague, ambiguous, to conceal or obscure the truth, to

600
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 17: confuse others lies. In other words, many in this house

601
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 17: are masters of it, and it is a disservice to

602
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 17: those who voted you into your positions.

603
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 11: Well, unless, of course.

604
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 16: It is certainly not acceptable for someone experience as he

605
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 16: is too.

606
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: Nevertheless, I accuse.

607
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 16: Some other MPs to keep quite when I'm making a

608
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 16: point of all right, he made the allegation that members

609
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 16: of his parliament of liars.

610
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 15: He should have been stopped on the tracks right then,

611
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 15: My apologies, I didn't quite pick that up. But if

612
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 15: that is what the member said, then he should withdraw

613
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 15: and apologize as quickly as possible. I haven't made this statement.

614
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: It just called a lie.

615
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: So he called them lies. And then he told a lie, and.

616
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 13: He told a lie. I thought, come on, mate, and

617
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 13: he was reading from written notes, which don't usually do

618
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 13: in a general debate. So he is reading off a computer,

619
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 13: so he knew full well a sentence before he had

620
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 13: called politicians lies and of thesiscation of the scation.

621
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 6: I think I was going to say, did you google that?

622
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 4: Did you see if there is such a opsifocation? So

623
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: obviously all mate doesn't have a good vocabulary, not.

624
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: A great vocabulary.

625
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 13: And to me, he made a tit of himself by

626
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 13: doing what he did, and he deserves all the program

627
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 13: and he gets not to you what probium?

628
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: Did I say? O proprium meeting?

629
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: What you what?

630
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 13: He will be in hot water for those because he

631
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 13: got up straight away said he didn't do it. Well, sorry,

632
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 13: the rules of Parliament you can't do that. So he'll

633
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 13: be either forced to apologize or he'll go to the privileges.

634
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 4: So he just got his first banking from Winston, didn't

635
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: he most certainly did he enjoyed it. I get Barry,

636
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: thank you very much, appreciate it. Bary So for senior

637
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: political correspondent eight away from five, putting the.

638
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

639
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 18: So the police seem on a real roll at the moment,

640
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 18: don't they. When it comes to gang's major headhunter's bus

641
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 18: the other week now charges all over the place for

642
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 18: the common terro's. The claim is that virtually every single

643
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 18: common cero is facing charges or at least some sort

644
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 18: of court time forty one individuals, one hundred and thirty

645
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 18: seven alleged defense. As sociologist and gang expert Jared Gilbert

646
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 18: with us and this is a.

647
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Speaker 7: Really big puss and this is why I think that

648
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 7: people will be successful. And that's we could see the evidence,

649
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 7: of course, Mike, but there.

650
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Is a heck of a lot of kilograms.

651
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 16: Of drugs have been confiscated, hundreds of thousands of so

652
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 16: make no bones about it.

653
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 7: This is a really significipt fuss and it's basically taken out.

654
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 7: The common geris.

655
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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking breakfast with

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Speaker 18: the Jaguar f Pace used talk zb Hey, we have.

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Speaker 4: Crickets off to a good start for us. We've got

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Speaker 4: a wicket. Karuna Ratney's been caught by Tom Blundell. Blundell

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Speaker 4: bowled by Willow Rourke and he only had a couple

660
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Speaker 4: of runs to his name. So there we go. How

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Speaker 4: good is that Labour's going to flip out because Labor's

662
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Speaker 4: making such a song and dance about Orcus, which the

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Speaker 4: rest of us are kind of slantly rolling our eyes at.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, so let me be fair, Labor and Helen

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Speaker 4: Clarke and Don Brash are going to flip out because

666
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Speaker 4: the Orcist partners Australia, Britain and the US have today

667
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Speaker 4: gone public with the fact that they are talking to

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Speaker 4: US US and Canada and Japan and Republic of Korea

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Speaker 4: about collaborating with them on defense technology projects. They've put

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Speaker 4: out a statement they have no full well what they're doing,

671
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: put out a statement saying we're consulting with Canada, New

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Speaker 4: Zealand and the Republic of Career to identify possibilities for

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Speaker 4: collaboration on advance k abilities under Orcist Pillar two. So

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Speaker 4: watch them flip about that. Also, what I need to

675
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: tell you is that the Polkinghorn defense has wrapped up.

676
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: The judge has just sent the jury home. The jury

677
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 4: are going to start deliberating tomorrow, so we're very much

678
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: in the final stretch of this now. Pressure appears to

679
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Speaker 4: have got Instagram about what to do about the kiddies,

680
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: because they've announced today that they're going to restrict what

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Speaker 4: young people can see on the app, and they're also

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Speaker 4: going to stop strangers being able to contact young people.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna set up what they're calling Instagram teen accounts

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Speaker 4: for all users age thirteen through to seventeen, and they

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Speaker 4: basically are in a more controlled environment. We're going to

686
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Speaker 4: have a chat to nets Safe about it, because generally

687
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Speaker 4: when a business like Meta, which owns Instagram, does something

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Speaker 4: like this voluntarily, they will be doing it because they're

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Speaker 4: trying to get ahead of restrictions, and they generally will

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Speaker 4: do less than what the possible restrictions are. So is

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Speaker 4: this going to be sufficient? Is this going to make

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Speaker 4: everybody feel happy about the situation? Netflix is with us

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Speaker 4: in twenty minutes time. Heather the hairdresser. The other week,

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Speaker 4: at around two in the afternoon, the customer next to

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Speaker 4: me told the hairdresser that the company she works for

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Speaker 4: they're not going to let staff work from home anymore.

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Speaker 4: So she called in sick because she wasn't going to

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Speaker 4: reschedule her cut. Ah ha ha Bustard. Literally, do you

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Speaker 4: know what what I want is a story about how

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Speaker 4: somebody was working from home all day without interruptions except

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Speaker 4: for maybe we break's lunch break and coffee breaks, and

702
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Speaker 4: just was so super productive every single day and then

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Speaker 4: I'll feel better about it. Newstalk ZEDB.

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Speaker 2: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

705
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Speaker 2: get the answers by the facts.

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Speaker 1: And give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to see Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 2: let's get connected and you talk zed B.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon. At least nine people are dead and two eight

710
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Speaker 4: hundred injured and Lebanon after an attack on Hezboler. But

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Speaker 4: this is the interesting thing about it. This wasn't your

712
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Speaker 4: standard type of attack. Instead, what happened this morning is

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Speaker 4: that thousands of pagers, as in the nineteen eighties communication

714
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Speaker 4: devices that you clipped on your belt, they all exploded simultaneously.

715
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: Kazbola is blaming Israel for this. Israel has not admitted

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Speaker 4: to the attack. Greg Barton is a terrorism expert at

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Speaker 4: Deacon University in Melbourne with us, Hey.

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Speaker 6: Greg, Hey have a good agree with you?

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Speaker 4: What do you reckon? Has happened here?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 4: Some people are surmising that there was some sort of

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Speaker 4: electronic interference that caused all the batteries to explode. But

723
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Speaker 4: others are saying Israel has got into the supply chain

724
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Speaker 4: and put explosives in the pages.

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Speaker 19: What do you reckon, Well, the things are becoming reasonably clear.

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Speaker 19: Now we've not got a admission from Israel, who perhaps

727
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Speaker 19: won't have one. They prefer to work with plausible deniability.

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Speaker 19: Think about the assassination of Ismail Hania when he was

729
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Speaker 19: visiting Tehran, the Hamas leader, so that we probably won't

730
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Speaker 19: hear any confirmation. But it appears that these devices were

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Speaker 19: designed by a company called Apollo Gold in Taiwan. Apollo

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Speaker 19: Gold has said that actually Dispatch was made by a

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Speaker 19: European company under license, and that would sort of align

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Speaker 19: with what appears to have happened, which is that somebody

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Speaker 19: in an SBNR jack has gotten into the factory, or

736
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Speaker 19: at least into the devices before they're shipped, and has

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Speaker 19: inserted a circuit board with some military gray plastic explosives

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Speaker 19: done in a way that if you open up the

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Speaker 19: device you wouldn't see anything amiss. These devices work on

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Speaker 19: wireless like radio signals that you receive a text message

741
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Speaker 19: or a broadcast, they don't glocate. So this is the

742
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Speaker 19: reason that they had ordered five thousand of these devices

743
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Speaker 19: about five months ago, because they recognized that Israel was

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Speaker 19: able to locate their fighters with mobile phone devices, they said.

745
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 19: Hassan nas Ruler, the leader of his Polus, said back

746
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Speaker 19: in February, get off your phones, get off your into

747
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Speaker 19: net devices. They're on to us. So they went back

748
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Speaker 19: to using this, as you say, nineteen eighties nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 19: wireless page assistance. Presumably there was in that circuitry that's

750
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Speaker 19: added with explosives. It was coded so that when a

751
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Speaker 19: wireless message went out with a certain code, it triggered

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Speaker 19: the devices. Now, some of the devices would have been

753
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Speaker 19: out of range and hadn't got that wireless signals, and

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Speaker 19: not all of them detonated, but it's now being said

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Speaker 19: that three thousand of them detonated. The amount of explosives

756
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 19: was not lethal for most people. I mean, it's enough

757
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 19: to give you a horrible wound and your hip of

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Speaker 19: it's on your belt, or you've worse if you hold

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Speaker 19: it up to your face to read the message. Some

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Speaker 19: people have lost eyes, some people were killed, unfortunately at

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Speaker 19: least one child, which is pretty grateful to think about.

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Speaker 19: But it's it seems more of a psyops operation. So

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Speaker 19: that his Bulla feels that they can't trust their devices,

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Speaker 19: they can't trust their communication systems. There's been a major

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Speaker 19: penetration of their human network. So somebody's given the game

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Speaker 19: away with the order for pages, and that's very destabilizing

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Speaker 19: to recognize that you have been compromised.

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Speaker 4: So does that mean that does that mean that every

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Speaker 4: single person who had a pager was linked to his boler?

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Speaker 19: Yes, every person. These are pages that were issued by

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Speaker 19: his Bulla to their personnel. But some of these person

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Speaker 19: they are not necessarily fighters. Some of them. Bear in mind,

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Speaker 19: this is a hybrid organization. It's part political, it's a

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Speaker 19: political party in Lebanon. Some of its employees, as with Hermas,

775
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 19: were healthcare workers and others who weren't necessarily frontline fighters.

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Speaker 19: Are not saying that they're innocent by association, but but

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Speaker 19: just that you know, it's not that not every one

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00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 19: of these people with this device was a gun carrying fighter.

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Speaker 19: Some of them were, you know, sort of bureaucratic, neocratic

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Speaker 19: personnel within an organization that's a very significant part of

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Speaker 19: Lebanese society. So it's a really complicated story in terms

782
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Speaker 19: of comparability. It's an nasty organization has below involved in terrorism,

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Speaker 19: so no getting away from this, but there was a

784
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Speaker 19: sense that these detonations were indiscriminate because it could have

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Speaker 19: been a child picking up dad's pager.

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Speaker 15: It could be.

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Speaker 19: Somebody who you know, wasn't really involved in militant activity

788
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Speaker 19: who was targeted. And as I said, the charges were

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Speaker 19: non lethal for the most part, so it seems to

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Speaker 19: be more about sending a message and provoking a response

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Speaker 19: than about really incapacitating his Willow's military network.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Greg, thank you very much, really appreciate you explaining that.

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Speaker 4: There's Greg Barton Deakin University terrorism expert. And by the way,

794
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Speaker 4: there is a is it an expectation now that retaliation

795
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Speaker 4: is likely and as a result of that, a US

796
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: defense ship has just moved away from Israel's coast. It's

797
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Speaker 4: twelve past five.

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Speaker 1: Ever, due for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 4: The og paper mill in Penrose is going to close.

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Speaker 4: It's the latest closure related to energy prices amongst other things,

801
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: of course, but it is also, and this is important,

802
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Speaker 4: the only paper recycling mill in the country. Perul Sued

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Speaker 4: is Deputy Director of Resilience and Infrastructure at Auckland Council.

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Speaker 4: Haperol Hi Good to talk to you again, what's going

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Speaker 4: to happen to Auckland as recycled paper?

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Speaker 20: So the paper and cardboard that you were putting in

807
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 20: your recycling bill and still date will still continue to

808
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 20: go overseas for recycling because the material that we collect

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Speaker 20: from your cob site, from domestic properties was not going

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Speaker 20: to the plant in Auckland.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yes, so our paper in Auckland was going to

812
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: Malaysia anyway, wasn't it.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it goes to various markets in Asiel because we

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Speaker 20: sell paper and cardwood as a commodity in the markets

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Speaker 20: and we go for where we get a good price

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Speaker 20: for it.

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00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh do we get paid for it?

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Speaker 20: Y Apsolute recyclables are all treated as commodities, so they're

819
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 20: not just sent there for recycling and they don't charges

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00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 20: for that. We do get a price for it. There

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00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 20: is obviously we need to haul it there, so there

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00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 20: are shipping involved in it, but there is a price

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Speaker 20: at the end of it in terms of people buying it.

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Speaker 4: So who does this affect the closure of the og

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00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 4: paper mill? Is this private companies who were doing their

826
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Speaker 4: own recycling of paper.

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Speaker 20: There are some private companies that would be supplying material

828
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Speaker 20: to the OG plant. But there are other there are

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Speaker 20: other councils that were providing material to ORG as well.

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00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so potentially other councils that are going to have

831
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Speaker 4: to fall into line with Auckland and send it overseas

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Speaker 4: to Malaysia.

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Speaker 20: That's right. I think as OGI talks about their arm

834
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 20: that collects paper and card would full circle. I think

835
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Speaker 20: they call it is going to then send it on

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Speaker 20: to Malaysia, so they will keep that continuity for service

837
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 20: for those councils and their other clients.

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Speaker 4: Have you done the maths on whether it is better

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Speaker 4: for us environmentally to stick that paper on a ship

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Speaker 4: to Malaysia or stick it in the ground here.

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Speaker 20: We definitely have done that work hither because we need

842
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 20: to think about the entire life cycle of that product

843
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 20: or the packaging type, and what does it mean to

844
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 20: actually make it, use it and then put it in

845
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Speaker 20: landfill or actually recycle it, even if it has to

846
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Speaker 20: be overseas, and what does it replace in terms of

847
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Speaker 20: virgin material? And if you take all of that into consideration,

848
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 20: it definitely is better to recycle even if it has

849
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Speaker 20: to be overseas.

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Speaker 4: Much better or just a little bit better.

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Speaker 20: No, it is much better because it is actually replacing

852
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Speaker 20: virgin material and it is about closing the loop on

853
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Speaker 20: the product as well. I mean, it would be great

854
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 20: if you can do everything here in New Zealand, but

855
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 20: unfortunately that can't happen.

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Speaker 4: Perul, thank you very much, really appreciate time. Parul Sue,

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Speaker 4: Deputy Director of Resilience and Infrastructure at Auckland Council. Hither

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Speaker 4: I work twelve hours a day, five days from home.

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00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: I've never been interrupted. Ay the egos working from home

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00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: uninterrupted because the mobile coverage is poor. Because I've been

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00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: doing this for fifteen years. I'm a farmer. Is that

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00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: that I mean, that's basically like the only working from

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Speaker 4: home person who actually does the job properly and doesn't

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Speaker 4: tick aroun. We're going to talk to Huddle about this,

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Speaker 4: by the way, when they are with us at about

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Speaker 4: twenty to six. Also, here's a question for you. Do

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Speaker 4: you think that we still have fewer deaths in this

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Speaker 4: country let's say per million, right, fewer deaths in this

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: country from COVID than the rest of the world. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna answer this question for you before this half hour

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Speaker 4: is through. Quarter past. Okay, here's a Penogree deal that

872
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Speaker 4: is so good we actually have to keep the full

873
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Speaker 4: out the door at an incredible thirteen ninety nine per

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Speaker 4: bottle limited stock, so getting quick order online right now

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Speaker 4: give them a call. Oh eight hundred, double six to two,

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Speaker 4: double six to two.

895
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Heather d for Cela said a silly.

896
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Speaker 4: Question, but what about using paper to fuel a power station? Oh, Tony,

897
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: I don't hate that. I mean I did think about

898
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: this today. I was like, should we factor this in

899
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: which one is environmentally worse burning the paper or putting

900
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: it on a ship then emitting all the way to Malaysia,

901
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 4: and then there may be recycling it because I don't

902
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 4: know if I need to tell you about og but

903
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: once upon a time we busted them not recycling the

904
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: plastic that we were shipping to Malaysia. Just saying nineteen

905
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: past five. Now, how about this? Instagram appears to be

906
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: buckling under pressure and is going to control what kids

907
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 4: can see if they're on the social media app. It's

908
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: launched what they're calling teen accounts, and these will have

909
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of restrictions, including being private by defaults so

910
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: people can't just randomly message the teens, and also the

911
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: teens can only see certain things. Net Safe Chief Online

912
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Speaker 4: Safety Officer Sean Lyons is with US a Sean, Hi,

913
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: how are you doing. I'm very well, thank you? Is

914
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 4: this good enough? Is this what we want?

915
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 7: I think it's certainly a step in the right direction.

916
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 7: I mean it's not everything. It doesn't fix all the problems,

917
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 7: but I think what we're starting to see, and you know,

918
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 7: the look like you alluded to, is movement towards giving

919
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 7: more protection by default to young people and hopefully helping

920
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 7: parents to understand and have more of an active role

921
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 7: in what keeping young people safe.

922
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: On that rack, how do you restrict what they see?

923
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 4: What are we going to restrict too?

924
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 21: Well?

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Speaker 7: I mean the biggest one is the fact that their

926
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Speaker 7: cants will go automatically from from public to private if

927
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 7: they're not already private, So that's restricting other people's ability

928
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 7: to see. But also with that goes the kind of

929
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 7: sensitive what they call sensitive content filters, So where the

930
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Speaker 7: AI detects that some of those images might be violent

931
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 7: or highly sexual or content along those lines, it will

932
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Speaker 7: be blurred, it will be obfuscated and won't be able

933
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 7: to be seen by by those individuals. So it's some

934
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Speaker 7: content control. And like I say, it's it's the right stuff,

935
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 7: but there's there's there's a lot further to go.

936
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Speaker 4: Are you reading this as them being worried about the

937
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: possibility of countries like Australia banning kids under the age

938
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Speaker 4: of let's say, sixteen, I am sure.

939
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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know, but I'm sure they're aware

940
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Speaker 7: of all of the kind of legislative calls that that

941
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 7: that that are going around and people's genuine feeling that

942
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 7: that perhaps there's more to be done. Not sure what

943
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 7: that what the motivation it is. I mean, they're US

944
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 7: based company that they're probably legislation changes the foot foot

945
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 7: there too, but I think it is probably in recognition

946
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 7: of the fact that the more of the community, the

947
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 7: users are saying we would like to understand how these

948
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Speaker 7: platforms could be safe, ound we'd like you the platform

949
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Speaker 7: to try and make them safer.

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Speaker 4: Sean, it's good to talk to you, mate, Thank you

951
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 4: for that. That's Sean Lyon's net Safe Chief Online Safety Officer. Hey,

952
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 4: so the Commonwealth Games. So yeah, on the last legs.

953
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: But guess who loves the idea of the Commonwealth Games.

954
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, the New Zealand Olympic Committee. Yes they do,

955
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: and they're going to be with us in about quarter

956
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: of an hour to explain why five twenty two.

957
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

958
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Speaker 2: It's Heather duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

959
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: get connected the news talk as they'd be, whether.

960
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 4: We need to copy Singapore burnwaste, generate power, no pollution

961
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: as the filters a world class state of the arttheider.

962
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Speaker 4: I love it. It's five twenty four. Now. Look, as

963
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 4: we've discussed and still are obviously, another mill has closed

964
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: in New Zealand. This is og in Auckland. Now. My

965
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,919
Speaker 4: first reaction to these mill closures, which are four Now

966
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 4: you've got the two Windstone mills and the og mill

967
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: and then one of the Methodics plants. My first reaction

968
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: to these closures was to be really worried about it,

969
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: and to be worried that something was going wrong for

970
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 4: New Zealand. But the more that I've thought about it,

971
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 4: the more I wonder if there isn't just a different

972
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 4: way of looking at this, which is that our economy

973
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: is growing up and becoming more sophisticated. Yes, we are

974
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 4: losing something. We are definitely we're losing jobs and that's significant,

975
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Speaker 4: especially for the people who are going to lose their

976
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: jobs because of this, and we're also losing national income.

977
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 4: But we're also letting go of an old way of

978
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 4: doing business in New Zealand because I mean, let's be clear, right,

979
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: that kind of manufacturing that we're talking about here that's

980
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 4: closing down of low grade product is only viable in

981
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: really poor economies where people are paid poorly and where

982
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 4: input costs like labor and energy and so on are cheap.

983
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 4: Now that was us for a while there, but increasingly

984
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 4: that's not us anymore. That's part of why OG is

985
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 4: shutting down here because, as they say, people in New

986
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 4: Zealand are paid too much for them to be able

987
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: to make a decent profit. Now is that bad? Is

988
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: it bad that we're letting go of being a poor

989
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 4: economy And what's happening instead is that we are growing

990
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: what we call the knowledge economy in this country, right,

991
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: the really smart stuff, the F and P, healthcare, the

992
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 4: rocket labs. That part of our economy is growing faster

993
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 4: than the rest of our economy. We've been talking about

994
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 4: wanting to grow the knowledge economy since the two thousands,

995
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: for twenty years. That is the future of our country.

996
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 4: Now I realized This isn't a straight a maths equation here, right.

997
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: You don't take a worker from og paper mill and

998
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: just give them a job at rocket Lab and think

999
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 4: that that's going to work. It's not a It doesn't,

1000
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 4: you can't. It's just not a maths equation. It just

1001
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 4: doesn't work like that in an economy. It's not how

1002
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 4: economies work, which means of course that there are real

1003
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: life people out there who are going to be hurt

1004
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: by the d industrialization of the country. There are entire

1005
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: regions like U a peer who are going to be

1006
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 4: really badly impacted. But in the long run, is that

1007
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 4: all that bad? I mean, if we start looking here

1008
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 4: in New Zealand more like a Scandinavian economy and less

1009
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 4: like Mexico, is that a bad thing? Heather Duplicy Allen, Okay,

1010
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 4: here we go. Do you think that we still have

1011
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 4: fewer deaths from COVID in New Zealand than the rest

1012
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: of the world. Because this is the big story, right,

1013
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 4: This is just Cinda and Grant's legacy and anchippies as well.

1014
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: They're like, we had to lock down and spend many,

1015
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 4: many millions, million, billions, millions of dollars to keep lives,

1016
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: save lives and keep people alive. Well, okay, we are

1017
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: one month away from catching up to the rest of

1018
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: the world in terms of COVID deaths per million. This

1019
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: is from Auckland University economics professor Robert McCulloch, who's looked

1020
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 4: at the numbers. He's crunched the numbers on our world

1021
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 4: and data, and we are catching up so fast that

1022
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 4: if we keep climbing as fast as we are, we

1023
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 4: will exceed the global average in about a month's time.

1024
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 4: We are tracking higher than the rest of the region.

1025
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: So Oceania, you know, all the other little islands around us,

1026
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 4: all the little Pacific islands and ourselves and stuff, we

1027
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: are tracking higher than Oceania. So this then begs the question,

1028
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 4: if we're going to end up with pretty much as

1029
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: many deaths per million in this country as the rest

1030
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: of the world, or even more deaths per million in

1031
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 4: this country than the rest of the world, was it

1032
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: worth locking down because we spent millions and billions of

1033
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 4: dollars on saving lives that we're losing anyway. So we

1034
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: had two options, right, We had the option of just

1035
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 4: letting like taking the hit people would die, or putting

1036
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: ourselves in lockdown, spending heaps of money, having inflation and

1037
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 4: people die anyway? Which one was better? Headline's next.

1038
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 2: The hard questions, strong opinion ever duper see Alan drive

1039
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: with one New Zealand let's get connected and used talk

1040
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: as it'd be.

1041
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 4: Me a an even one more sign because I'm taking

1042
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 4: all of the signs. Another sign that the economy is

1043
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 4: starting to and slightly and hit in the right direction.

1044
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 4: Consumer confidences up now as well. We're gonna have a

1045
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 4: chat to Satish Ranshot of Westpac after six the huddle

1046
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 4: standing by here. The feel free to call me a

1047
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: stupid tart, But wouldn't we have had thousands of deaths

1048
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: if we hadn't locked down? And then we have thousands now?

1049
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 4: So you can double the amount, John kind of, that's

1050
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: not really the theory. The theory is that there are

1051
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of people that are gonna die of

1052
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 4: COVID no matter what you do, because they're old or

1053
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 4: they're sick or whatever. Right, so you can give them

1054
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 4: the jab as much as you like, but eventually it's

1055
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 4: just gonna kill them because they're kind of vulnerable. And

1056
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 4: so no, you don't end up with double the amount.

1057
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: The idea is that you can't really protect these people

1058
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 4: as much as hard as you try, and it will

1059
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: get them eventually. And so that's what we're seeing now

1060
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: is that we locked down. We locked down until we

1061
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: had pumped the jabs into ourselves and given ourselves the

1062
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 4: maximum protection, and if that had worked, we should have

1063
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 4: fewer deaths per million than the rest of the world,

1064
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 4: but we do not. Therefore didn't work. So the idea

1065
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 4: is that you just end up with the people who

1066
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 4: were going to die dying anyway. I mean, this is really,

1067
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 4: let's be clear, what I'm saying is brutal right, it's

1068
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 4: really quite grim to think about people's lives like this.

1069
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: But that's actually the calculation that they take when they

1070
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 4: make decisions about locking down and stuff. And if you

1071
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: look at the numbers, according to Robert McCulloch's analysis, then

1072
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: you would have to say the wrong decision actually was

1073
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 4: ultimately taken. And somebody text me and said, but it's

1074
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 4: the benefit of hindsight. Well, Sweden didn't have the benefit

1075
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 4: of hindsight, and they took a completely different approach to us.

1076
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 4: So some people actually did do something different. Twenty three

1077
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 4: away from six to al, all right, So the Commonwealth Games.

1078
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 4: It looks more likely that Glasgow will actually host this

1079
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: in a couple of years time. They've officially submitted submitted

1080
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: their proposal. The games will be small though, only ten sports,

1081
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: only four venues, a budget, opening and closing ceremony, and

1082
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: no athlete village. Nicki Nickel is the NZIOC chief executive.

1083
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 4: Hey Nikki, Hey, how are you? Heather? Very well? Thank you.

1084
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Speaker 4: Do we know which sports have made it through?

1085
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 22: No, we don't at this stage. All we do know

1086
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 22: is that swimming in athletics are in because that's been

1087
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 22: part of the Commonwealth Games blueprint, and we are waiting

1088
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 22: like the other sports. What we do know is that

1089
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 22: there are a number of venues that have been named

1090
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 22: and those of the venues will be utilizing a number

1091
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 22: of sports.

1092
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 4: So that's powers from the venues like a is one

1093
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 4: of the venues a cycling venue.

1094
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 22: So we're just waiting like everyone else, and I think

1095
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 22: for us, it's just we haven't speculated because we just

1096
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 22: don't want to put more anxiety out for the athletes.

1097
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 22: But we're waiting and we'll work with the sports as

1098
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 22: soon as we know to work on plan A or

1099
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 22: plan B.

1100
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 4: I mean, the thing about it is right, cutting from

1101
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: twenty one sports last time to ten this time is

1102
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 4: quite a drastic reduction. Ay, there's going to be quite

1103
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 4: a few athletes who are disappointed.

1104
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 22: So if we look at Glasgow in twenty fourteen, they

1105
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 22: had eighteen sports. We know, Victoria we're looking to have

1106
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 22: more sports. So the games have been around that eighteen

1107
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 22: to twenty for quite some time. So yeah, cutting to

1108
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 22: ten is a big change. But I think, you know,

1109
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 22: we have to recognize the unprecedented time that we're in

1110
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 22: Withctoria pulling out and so on the back of that

1111
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 22: very disappointing decision from our friends across the ditch, we

1112
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 22: have had to pivot. And you know, I mean I

1113
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 22: have huge gratitude and support for what Scotland have done,

1114
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 22: and you know they have said, well, look, if we

1115
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 22: can work within a financial envelope that has no drain

1116
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 22: on their community, they can deliver something really special and

1117
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 22: I think they will do that, but again, just won't

1118
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 22: be at the same scale that we used to.

1119
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: Do you think this is the last Games?

1120
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 21: No?

1121
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 22: I do not think this is the last Games. And

1122
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 22: I think for many reasons, and certainly for the community

1123
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 22: that I live in. Commonwealth Games is a really important

1124
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 22: event and having just been to Paris as well, and

1125
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 22: we're still in the glow of the success of Paris.

1126
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 22: Many of the athletes there, sixty percent of the athletes

1127
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 22: that competed in Birmingham made the top eight at the Olympics.

1128
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 22: So from our perspective, from a high performance perspective, it's

1129
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 22: really important. What we need to do is make it sustainable.

1130
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 22: And actually that is one of the benefits of the

1131
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 22: work that Scotland have done is they've taken out costs,

1132
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 22: have optimized the delivery model for the Games and hopefully

1133
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 22: that will make the next Games twenty thirty and twenty

1134
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 22: thirty four much more sustainable. Therefore we'll have, you know,

1135
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 22: be back to the good old Commonwealth Games. In world.

1136
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: Who's hosting twenty thirty not.

1137
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 22: Confirmed, So I think we still confederation have been have

1138
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 22: been focused.

1139
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 4: Are we still going for twenty thirty four?

1140
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 22: We have still an expression event just around twenty thirty four,

1141
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 22: and in certainly what we have learned through this process,

1142
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 22: and I've spent a little bit of time with our

1143
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 22: friends from Scotland and I'm going over there again later

1144
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 22: this year is to actually understand their whole new economic

1145
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 22: model that sits behind it, because that again will make

1146
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 22: it much more attractive for us to be able to

1147
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 22: consider what a feasibility and that could look like.

1148
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: Nikki, thanks for talking to us through it, Nicki, Nicole

1149
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 4: n zoc's chief executive. Nineteen away from six.

1150
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevated the

1151
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: marketing of.

1152
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 4: Your home Huddle this evening. Jack Tame, host of Q

1153
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 4: and A Saturday Mornings and Mark Sainsbury broadcast to high lads, Kilder,

1154
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 4: don't you have it very well? Thank you?

1155
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: Jack?

1156
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 4: That dead, aren't they? They are dead?

1157
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 23: The Commonwealth Games yeah or something else? Yeah, I mean

1158
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 23: that's a really good point. See as a as a

1159
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 23: sports fan, I will be honest, I don't get remotely

1160
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 23: excited about the Commonwealth Games, but I can see that

1161
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 23: from the NDC's perspective and high performance sports perspective, it

1162
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 23: is really valuable to have an event like the Commonwealth Games,

1163
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 23: which is kind of like really many Olympics. We have

1164
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 23: athletes from different sports and different backgrounds coming together in

1165
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 23: a village environment. I can see why having that as

1166
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 23: preparation for the Olympics is really valuable. But yeah, obviously

1167
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 23: the Commonwealth Games compared to the place they held even

1168
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 23: twenty years ago in our lives, you know, I think

1169
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 23: I think it's a pretty diminished role. And you know,

1170
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 23: good on Scotland for pairing things back. But it'll be

1171
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 23: interesting to see whether or not a peered back version

1172
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 23: of the event is enough to maintain sufficient eyeballs to

1173
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 23: make a viable in the future.

1174
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 4: I mean, because you compare it back, and you compare

1175
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 4: it back, and you compare it back, says, and then

1176
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: you want to eventually it becomes like a crappy version

1177
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 4: of the Olympics and what it already is, but then

1178
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: a crappy version of World Athletics as well, and in

1179
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 4: the end you just don't watch it anymore, do you.

1180
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 21: Well it comes back to also what's the purpose. It's

1181
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 21: a bit like sort of TV and Z and cutting

1182
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 21: all the current affairs and stuff. You got to sort

1183
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 21: of say, well, what's your purpose for being? So if

1184
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 21: the Commonwealth Games was the scene of all about unity

1185
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 21: and bringing everyone together, you start pairing it back. It becomes,

1186
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 21: as Jackson, probably a very expensive training exercise for the Olympics. Look,

1187
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 21: I think the days have gone on. Guys at school

1188
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 21: when they had the seventy four Olympics here in New Zealand,

1189
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 21: you know, there was such excitement, but it was a

1190
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 21: different kind of event. And these World Championships, you know,

1191
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 21: don't forget any two years you've got world champions up.

1192
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 21: There's a whole spectrum of different sporting contests. Oh yeah, Look,

1193
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 21: I'm a bit like Jack. I don't think I'll be watching.

1194
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 23: I think there are some sports that will suffer more

1195
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 23: than others. Like it's a netball, for example, that I

1196
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 23: can see that the conmost games are really important to

1197
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 23: a sport like netball, right, whereas for you know, for

1198
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 23: some other sports women that are competed by more nations. Yeah,

1199
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 23: swimming and you know maybe athletics, perhaps they're not as important.

1200
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 23: But you know, but but you can see from an

1201
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 23: athlete's perspective that there are very few occasions when they

1202
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 23: get together in that village environment and you're kind of

1203
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 23: bunking down in a room to someone who's from a

1204
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 23: different sport and you know you've got the opening closing ceremony,

1205
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 23: that whole kind of atmosphere. I can see that from

1206
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 23: a high performance perspective, that is super valuable. Yeah, now,

1207
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 23: but that won't be happening of course in Gays go no,

1208
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 23: no no.

1209
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 21: And also you were asking, I mean the list of

1210
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 21: the venues includes the Connor Walth Arena and the Sir

1211
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 21: Chris hoy Velodrome, So I think it's a pretty good guess.

1212
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: We'll beyond the.

1213
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: On the list and netball's okay, I can confirm for

1214
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: the netball lovers, but I think mountain biking might be

1215
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 4: a little stuffed. Listen, guys, we'll come back and just

1216
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 4: to take have a chat about the mills closing and

1217
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 4: when where the public servants need to get back into

1218
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 4: the office five days a week, sixteen away from six

1219
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 4: the Huddle with.

1220
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, local and global exposure like

1221
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: no other.

1222
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 4: Right, we're back at huddle, Jack Tame and Mark Sainsbury

1223
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 4: Sainsbury sains How do you feel about the mills closing?

1224
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 5: Oh?

1225
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 7: You know what I was.

1226
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 21: The funny thing is that this sorry, this all aged me,

1227
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 21: but it comes back to nineteen eighty four, you know,

1228
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 21: when labor government came in and Roger nomicson out New

1229
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 21: Zealand's manufacturing base was absolutely decimated. They had to start

1230
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 21: off again, and there was the similar sort of talk.

1231
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 21: And I think you made the best point earlier on

1232
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 21: when you said, these are people's lives and their prospects

1233
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 21: of finding somewhere else in that region to work is

1234
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 21: not there, and you can't just suddenly say well, go

1235
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 21: and work for you know, Callahan Innovation, get onto the

1236
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 21: new wave. What's just as an associated point, because you're

1237
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 21: talking about going on to the knowledge based economy, we're

1238
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 21: cutting back in the budgets of things like Callahan that

1239
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 21: are the ones that are going to promote that. So look,

1240
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 21: I think it is tragic, but are we surprise sadly?

1241
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 21: Probably not.

1242
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 4: No, no, and Jack, the point I was trying to

1243
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 4: make is that the the industrialization of New Zealand sounds

1244
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 4: like something is quite scary, but actually, if you want

1245
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 4: to have a sophisticated economy, this is what happens.

1246
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 15: Yeah, it is.

1247
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 23: This is I think this is going to be one

1248
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 23: of the biggest challenge for challenges for developed economies and

1249
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 23: decades to come. And I think actually we've already seen

1250
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 23: a bit of whiplash from this. When you think about

1251
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 23: you know, some of the political events of the last

1252
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 23: few years in the US and the UK and what

1253
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 23: the industrialization has actually meant for those economies.

1254
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 21: You know, I think we really need to.

1255
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 23: Start having much broader public conversations about the future of work,

1256
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 23: not just for people who are fortunate to benefit from

1257
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 23: lots of educational opportunities, but for people who are mid career,

1258
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 23: who are perhaps working from moving from blue collar industrial

1259
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 23: type jobs when those jobs aren't going to exist in

1260
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 23: the fest And it is a mass of challenge for

1261
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 23: economies around the world, especially in an age of you know,

1262
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 23: of free trade. But I reckon this is this is

1263
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 23: very sadly a sign of the times, but probably one

1264
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 23: that is going to be repeated time and time again

1265
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 23: in the coming years, and we need to get onto

1266
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 23: doing something.

1267
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think you made a very good point there, Jack,

1268
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 4: that I might actually come back to later on. Hey

1269
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: sainto So, I reckon it's high time that we actually

1270
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 4: tell the public servants, right, you're working five days a

1271
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: week in the office. It's nonsense. It three days a

1272
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 4: Week's got to stop. What do you think it'd be.

1273
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 21: Great for Wellington? I mean the number of businesses, I

1274
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 21: mean we keep seeing all these hospitality and food business

1275
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 21: You imagine you set up your sort of coffee bar

1276
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 21: or whatever, and suddenly you know huge phrase of people

1277
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 21: simping you're not coming into the office. And then of course,

1278
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 21: I mean, this is this is on top of all

1279
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 21: the retrenchment and redundancies. It's not great. So get them

1280
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 21: back into the office, stimulate the local economy.

1281
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and plus, no one believes Jack that they're actually

1282
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 4: working when they're afternoon drinking. He's on a Thursday.

1283
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 6: This is the thing.

1284
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 23: So I find it really hard to get an absolutely

1285
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 23: clear measure on productivity. I think what's becoming increasingly clear though,

1286
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 23: is neither the open plan office one hundred percent of

1287
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 23: the time or the working from home one hundred percent

1288
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 23: of the time are actually in the interest of maximum productivity.

1289
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 23: And I just speak from personal experience here, Like I

1290
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 23: find that if i go to the office three or

1291
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 23: four days a week, but then I'm able to have

1292
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 23: one day at home where I'm out of that open

1293
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 23: office environment, where I don't have people constantly walking up

1294
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 23: and interrupting me, it's the perfect blend.

1295
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 21: I'm really productive that way.

1296
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 23: And I just wonder if some sort of a shift

1297
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 23: towards a model whereby maybe not every day at home,

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Speaker 23: but maybe one day at home or an afternoon at

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Speaker 23: home a week for productivity's sake is everyone's interest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So Jack makes a fair point saying so

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Speaker 4: that we don't have any idea about productivity. But if

1302
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Speaker 4: you have one of the biggest companies in the world, Amazon,

1303
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 4: saying that's it, you're back in the office, that should

1304
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 4: tell you that they know this is not working.

1305
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Speaker 21: Yeah, with a great history and work is right because Amazon,

1306
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Speaker 21: that's a fair point. Look, it depends what you're doing.

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Speaker 21: If you're a firefighter, you can't work from home, you know.

1308
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 21: But if you're a call center operator and you can

1309
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Speaker 21: do that from home and you've got kids to look

1310
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Speaker 21: after and that works out, that can work out really

1311
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Speaker 21: really well. I think for us, all of us, we

1312
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 21: all enjoyed the skin meet us who used to get

1313
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 21: in an office and talking to other people. And if

1314
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Speaker 21: you're working on a story other people's perspectives, you don't

1315
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 21: get that. When you're at home. You miss all that

1316
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 21: stuff and one of the nuance. So I like that,

1317
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Speaker 21: but it really does depend on what you're doing. And

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Speaker 21: the problem is they've opened that they've pulled the cork out,

1319
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 21: haven't they? People people have tasted working be home with Gay. Well,

1320
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Speaker 21: I'm now going to put that into my contract.

1321
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because they want to. They want to sit at

1322
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 4: home and bake a cast role Jack. Why does the

1323
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: Prime minister hate you?

1324
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: Well?

1325
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Speaker 4: Why does he want to come on your show? Jack?

1326
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 4: Does he not like going on Q and A.

1327
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 19: I don't know.

1329
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Speaker 23: As I said the other day on Q and A.

1330
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Speaker 21: We've requested him many times. I know he's a busy man.

1331
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Speaker 23: We've tried to work in with that busy schedule, but

1332
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Speaker 23: at least appeared to various predecessors from both national and labor.

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Speaker 23: So far, he hasn't appeared as frequently. He hasn't actually

1334
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Speaker 23: appeared in more than a year. He hasn't appeared since

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Speaker 23: he's been Prime minister.

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Speaker 6: And I think, I don't know.

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Speaker 23: I think there's democratic value in putting questions in a

1338
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Speaker 23: long form setting to our elected officials, and that includes

1339
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Speaker 23: the Prime MINSI it's a.

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Speaker 4: Sign of the times, A saying though, like it's us

1341
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: catching up with the rest of the world. You had

1342
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Speaker 4: just into all of a sudden cut right back on

1343
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 4: what she wanted to do, didn't want to go on

1344
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 4: news talks'd be You've got act not wanting to go

1345
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 4: on another radio station. You've got prime ministers not wanting

1346
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 4: to go on long form interviews. It just feels like, Yeah,

1347
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 4: it's getting a little partisan, isn't it.

1348
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Speaker 21: Well, look, I mean it's it's their short, big and true.

1349
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 21: You can't be forced, you know, open up with the media.

1350
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Speaker 21: You know, you can't be forced to come on. But

1351
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Speaker 21: I think sometimes it's going to be to their deth froment.

1352
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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 21: I mean they must make a celca and say like

1354
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 21: we're that you know, won't go on R and Z

1355
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 21: your morning report because they think it's sort of you

1356
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Speaker 21: know too whatever. I think it's mistake treated Badley, Yeah,

1357
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Speaker 21: but they probably calculate that as a as a political

1358
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Speaker 21: plus for them.

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Speaker 23: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's because they accused them once of eugenics,

1361
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Speaker 4: and I feel like I'd be pretty cross about that too,

1362
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Speaker 4: But I don't know if i'd cotally ban them anyway. Listen, guys,

1363
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Speaker 4: thank you appreciated. That's Jack Dame Mark Sainsbury. I huddle

1364
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Speaker 4: this evening seven away from six on.

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Speaker 2: Your smart speaker on the iHeart app and in your

1366
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan drive with

1367
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Speaker 2: one New Zealand one giant leap for business news talk as.

1368
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Speaker 4: Hey, we're expecting a Federal Reserve announcement tomorrow, so we're

1369
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Speaker 4: gonna have a little chat to Milford Asset Management just

1370
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 4: before half past second. Get their take on what's going

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Speaker 4: to happen. Mosart Now on the business of Mossad blowing

1372
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Speaker 4: up all those pages, Well, we think it was them,

1373
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Speaker 4: So let's just assume that for the purposes of the

1374
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Speaker 4: story it was them, because it seems a very sophisticated

1375
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 4: thing to do, and only they can actually pull something

1376
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Speaker 4: off like this. It is just the latest if it

1377
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 4: was them in a run of quite creative ways of

1378
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: going about their business, say like telegraphs. Run a piece

1379
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Speaker 4: today which outlined some of the more creative things they've done,

1380
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Speaker 4: and it is quite incredible. One time they tried to

1381
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 4: kill Suddam Hussein with an exploding book. This was in

1382
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Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies. The problem for them was they had

1383
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 4: forgotten the factor in that Suddam Hussein was notoriously paranoid,

1384
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 4: and so when the book arrives, like you or I

1385
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 4: would be like, oh, it's a book, open bang. Not Saddam, No, No,

1386
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Speaker 4: he was notoriously paranoid. So he gave it to his

1387
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 4: official set open the book, and the guy opened the book,

1388
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Speaker 4: and unfortunately he died and Suddam survived. So there was

1389
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: a little hiccup with that one. Also, once upon a

1390
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 4: time they poisoned the toothpaste of a chap who was

1391
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 4: leading the liberal the Popular Front for the Liberation of

1392
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 4: Palestines was alway back in seventy eight. They got into

1393
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 4: his home, they took his toothpaste and swapped it for

1394
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 4: an identical tube, like how you even know what toothpaste

1395
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Speaker 4: he's using, I don't know, which had a toxin developed

1396
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Speaker 4: by Israeli scientists in it, and either time he brushed

1397
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 4: his teeth he was slowly poisoning himself, and eventually he

1398
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 4: went to hospital in Iran. They flew him to East

1399
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Speaker 4: Germany to see if they could save him. Doctors found

1400
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Speaker 4: the toothpaste, but he died ten days later, and it

1401
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 4: wasn't a very nice death. They use a remote control

1402
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Speaker 4: machine gun to assassinate the head of Iran's nuclear program

1403
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, but also in twenty ten, they assassinated

1404
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Speaker 4: a Hamas arms dealer in Dubai in his hotel by

1405
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 4: flying in a hit squad on false passports. These guys

1406
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 4: pretended to be tennis players. That's how they got into

1407
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: the country. I'll tell you what if you want to

1408
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 4: read about amazing stories of managing to track down Nazis

1409
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 4: in like random places like Argentina and how they go

1410
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 4: about it, there are some amazing yarns. So how Masad

1411
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 4: went about and did that? Anyway, so it's just the latest.

1412
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Speaker 4: It would appear in a long line of very creative

1413
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 4: solutions to their problems. Here the government department worker here

1414
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 4: in Wellington, we can't work from the office the whole

1415
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 4: time as we don't have enough desks to save money

1416
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 4: to meet cost savings expectations from the government, our organization

1417
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 4: had to give up office space and reduce our footprint

1418
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 4: and the only way they could do that was to

1419
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 4: roster us from home. So it's not all our fault.

1420
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 4: Fairpoint consumer confidence.

1421
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: Next, keeping tracking where the money is flowing.

1422
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: With the business hour, we'd the duplicy Elan and my

1423
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Speaker 2: hr on news talks at b.

1424
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Speaker 4: Even in coming up in the next hour. It's a

1425
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 4: big day for similar today they've got the green light

1426
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 4: for the equity rays. We'll have a chat to the

1427
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 4: Shareholders Association about that, Milford Asset Management on the Fed

1428
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 4: Reserve decision that we're expecting, and why are so many

1429
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: businesses in this country not keen on ai. We're gonna

1430
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 4: have a chat to spark about that. It's seven past

1431
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 4: six now. Consumer confidence, this is good news, is on

1432
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 4: the up, even with the cost of living front of mine.

1433
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 4: The latest index shows that consumer confidence went up nine

1434
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,479
Speaker 4: points in September. But even though it's up, more people

1435
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 4: are still pessimistic than optimistic. Senior economists at Westpac Satish

1436
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 4: ranchods with us.

1437
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 5: Now, Hey Satish, great to talk Kena.

1438
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Speaker 1: How are you.

1439
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you. Now, this is rather than

1440
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 4: a change in circumstances, this is hope that's pushing it up, right.

1441
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 20: I think that's exactly it.

1442
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 24: Households does still sing a lot of pressure on their finances,

1443
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 24: but the optimistic that their financial position is going to

1444
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 24: improve over the year head and I think there's a

1445
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 24: good chance of that for a lot of households.

1446
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: Do you expect because I mean it's been a little

1447
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 4: bit voluntar volatile lately. Do you expect that the track

1448
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 4: from here is just up.

1449
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 24: I think we're going to see some of those big

1450
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 24: pressures that households have been dealing with, especially high interest rates,

1451
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 24: coming down over the coming months, and I think for

1452
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 24: a lot of households that does mean their financial position

1453
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 24: is going to improve as they go into twenty twenty five,

1454
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 24: but it's going to take a while for them to

1455
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 24: see it in their back pockets.

1456
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it is a possibility that this is a

1457
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 4: philip and that people then realize actually, it's going to

1458
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 4: have no real impact in the short term on their finances,

1459
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,560
Speaker 4: and so they dip again. Is that a possibility?

1460
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 24: I mean, I think there's a little bit of a

1461
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 24: chance that households start to feel a little bit cautious

1462
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 24: as it takes a while to feed through, But increasingly

1463
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 24: it does look whether it's borrowing rates coming down, inflation's

1464
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 24: coming back, and I think they're going to start to

1465
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Speaker 24: feel a bit more optimistic going into twenty twenty five.

1466
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Speaker 24: Some of those headwindes have been pretty tough the last

1467
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Speaker 24: few years, and there's a big relief now coming through.

1468
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 24: It's just going to take a while to show up.

1469
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Speaker 4: Why is it that women are so much more pessimistic

1470
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Speaker 4: than men.

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Speaker 24: I think in a lot of families there's still one

1472
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Speaker 24: family member who's got a close eye on the finances,

1473
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 24: and for many New Zealand families it does tend to

1474
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Speaker 24: be a woman. And I think if you're confronted by

1475
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 24: those cost pressures, especially at the supermarket or when you're

1476
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Speaker 24: paying the mortgage, that's likely to be a big drag

1477
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Speaker 24: on confidence. And women, of course often responsible for a

1478
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 24: lot of the big spending decisions made by many healthels.

1479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably explains today, Satish, thank you very much. Listen

1480
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Speaker 4: to the ladies. Satish Ranschod, senior economists at Westpac. Hey, okay,

1481
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 4: two things we need to talk about. First thing, the

1482
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 4: teachers who have been complaining that their workloads are too hard,

1483
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. I don't know if you're aware of this,

1484
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 4: but they have got a concession from the government. This

1485
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Speaker 4: hasn't actually got that much media attention, but actually I

1486
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Speaker 4: think it's reasonably significant. The corequisites for NCAA have been delayed.

1487
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Speaker 4: Now what that means is, you know those exams that

1488
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 4: everybody's failing at the moment. Those exams. Excuse me, those

1489
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Speaker 4: exams are at the moment not compulsory, as in, if

1490
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 4: you fail the exam, you can still make up the

1491
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 4: numbers elsewhere by doing some other assessments and stuff like

1492
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 4: that's a coloring and of a picture or something. I

1493
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 4: don't really know. Anyway, it was supposed to be compulsory

1494
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 4: though from twenty twenty six. That has now been delayed

1495
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 4: by two years to be compulsory from twenty twenty eight.

1496
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 4: Next time a secondary school teacher complains, just point this

1497
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 4: out to them and be like, you've got you got

1498
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 4: four years grace here before the thing actually kicks in.

1499
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 4: So good on Eric A. Stanford for listening. I feel slight.

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Speaker 4: I'm ever so slightly disappointed that we're going soft on it,

1501
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 4: but anyway, what can you do. Second thing we need

1502
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 4: to talk about is Matt Heath. Matt Heath is coming

1503
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 4: to work here at zid BE. How good is that news?

1504
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 4: If you haven't caught up on it, It's gonna be

1505
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 4: the afternoon host with Tyler. Can I say that he

1506
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 4: was the first person that I suggested to the boss

1507
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Speaker 4: when they were like, oh, we got to find new hosts.

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Speaker 4: I was like, Matt Heath, Matt Heath Man Heath. Now,

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Speaker 4: the reason that's not to say that I am intelligent. Basically,

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Speaker 4: people at zed B just want to have opinions on

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Speaker 4: absolutely everything, including who their colleagues are, and this is

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Speaker 4: just an example of his I was like Matt Heath,

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Speaker 4: Matt Heath, Matt Heath, Man Heath. I don't think the

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Speaker 4: boss listened to me. I just think that it was

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Speaker 4: so obvious that it had to be Matt Heath that

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Speaker 4: I just got lucky by actually seeing the obvious. And

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Speaker 4: the reason that it was obvious was because Matt Heath

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01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 4: is a really intelligent person. And this surprises people all

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Speaker 4: the time because he's been He's been tom fooling around

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Speaker 4: his whole life, isn't he. I mean he has in

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Speaker 4: Deja Voodoo and he was back of the Y and

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Speaker 4: then he was on hod I keep playing the silly

1523
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Speaker 4: bugs and stuff. But he's actually a really intelligent man,

1524
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Speaker 4: like super super smart, So it was a no brainer

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Speaker 4: that he'd be coming here. I'm so thrilled because he's

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 4: actually a good human as well and desperately funny. So

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Speaker 4: it's just a combinat. It's the perfect package basically on

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 4: me and then Tyler who's going to be working with him.

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Speaker 4: Bless that man deserves that. He's been doing very very

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 4: well at the radio. And I couldn't be more pleased

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Speaker 4: frankly that the pair of them have got the job.

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Speaker 4: So how good is that is in good hands? Isn't

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Speaker 4: it six twelve.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results? It's Heather Duplicy

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Speaker 2: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 4: V Hey, No business wants to be known as the

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Speaker 4: place where disgruntled employees race personal grievance claims right. Quite

1539
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 4: apart from the reputational damage, dealing with personal grievances can

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Speaker 4: take up a lot of time and it can potentially

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Speaker 4: be quite costly. MYHR has seen a growth in the

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Speaker 4: number of PG claims recently personal grievance claims as employees

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Speaker 4: are increasingly aware of their rights around how employers may

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Speaker 4: or may not be allowed to treat them. Now, a

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Speaker 4: lot of personal grievances are raised once an employee has

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Speaker 4: left the job, and knowing how to properly handle a

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Speaker 4: claim is really important. It may mean the difference between

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Speaker 4: promptly resolving the issue or then having to go to

1549
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Speaker 4: mediation and end up in front of the Employment Relations Authority.

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Speaker 4: To help businesses understand the personal grievance process, MYHR has

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Speaker 4: actions that you need to take. It includes a detailed

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Speaker 4: process map so you know exactly what to expect. To

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Speaker 4: the pop up. You'll also find really useful articles on

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Speaker 4: ways to avoid personal grievance action and how to keep

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Speaker 4: your workplace harmonious and productive.

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Speaker 1: Forgether duples La hither This is.

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Speaker 4: The best news. I loved, matt on hod I keep

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 4: it started listening to z Be since.

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Speaker 3: I got old.

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Speaker 4: Well you know what you need? You need a range,

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01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 4: don't you so? Anyway, good on you. Yeah, I'm pretty

1564
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 4: stoked about this. It's called a pass by the way

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 4: in Battle Dairy Company sin Lay was thrown a bit

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01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 4: of a lifeline today, but it is going to have

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01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 4: to massively lift its game if it wants to avoid

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01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 4: another bailout in the near future. The shareholders voted in

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Speaker 4: favor of a two hundred and eighteen million dollar equity raise.

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 4: Bright Dairy obviously contributed the Lion's share It's now got

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 4: sixty five percent of Sinley and A two put in

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 4: about thirty three million bucks and keeps its almost twenty

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01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 4: percent stake. Oliver Amander from the Shareholders Association was at

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Speaker 4: the meeting this morning. Is with us now? Hey, Oliver,

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Speaker 4: good evening? Hat tough on the minority shareholders?

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Speaker 14: Say, very tough on the minority shareholders. I mean, look

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 14: for minorities, this really is a bit of a dead rat.

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01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 14: But they've swallowed that dead rat today. They've taken the

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 14: medicine and sin They lives to fight another day.

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Speaker 4: What was the vibe at the meeting? Did you get

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01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 4: the feeling that people were reluctantly on board with this

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 4: or you know, pretty enthusiastic.

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 14: I think that summarizes it well. I think the word

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01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 14: reluctantly on board makes absolute sense. I mean, certainly we

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 14: heard a range of us previously in the lead up

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Speaker 14: to the meeting in terms of some shareholders who wanted

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 14: to contribute to maintain their pro ter holding to avoid

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01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 14: that dilution that you mentioned in your intro.

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: Others were quite.

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01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 14: Happy that that bright was coming to the rescue. And

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Speaker 14: I think most shareholders, myself included would recognize and acknowledge

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 14: the support, the immense support that Bright has provided to

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Speaker 14: the company.

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01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 4: Are you convinced that the plan is going to work.

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01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 14: Well, I guess there's things you do when you're desperate,

1596
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 14: and that Sinlay was certainly in a very distressed state,

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01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 14: and that the most urgent priority was to make sure

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 14: that the company could actually restructure its balance sheet, that

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01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 14: it was in a position to repay its debt, to

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Speaker 14: meet the demands of its banking syndicates and so on.

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Speaker 14: So look, that's got to be the first priority. And

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 14: if you can survive today, you can always has lived

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01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 14: to fight tomorrow, and that now becomes the next set

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01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 14: of priority.

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01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 1: So it's gone from.

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 14: Extremely distressed to now now they're just stressed, and that

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01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 14: they'll have to take The company will have to focus

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 14: really hard and its operating performance over the coming twelve months.

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01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 14: They'll have to focus really hard on the activities that

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01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 14: sought out its operating issues, particularly in the North Island.

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 14: Now they've taken steps to do that, but there's a

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01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 14: long way.

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Speaker 6: To go, so you know all the rest of them.

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01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, are they going to be able to convince the

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 4: farmers to stick it out?

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01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: With them.

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01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 14: That's and that was discussed today and actually the chair

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01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 14: did go into some detail around some of those initiatives

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01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 14: that they're undertaking. Yes, the North Island Strategic Review is

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01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 14: really important to them. The farmers in the South Island

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01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 14: supply the dun Sandal facility really important to them. There

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 14: will be a lot of focus the company has placed

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01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 14: will place in those key supplier relationships. So I've got

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01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 14: no doubt that the work will already have begun on

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 14: that and it needs to continue. So the company still

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Speaker 14: was carrying, as you say, some significant operating risks going forward,

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01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 14: and the proof and the pudding will be over what

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 14: happens over the next twelve months. There's a marker on

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01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 14: the way they've got. In less than a month's time,

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01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,560
Speaker 14: they will be a couple of weeks time they'll be

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01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 14: announcing their financial results for the previous financial year, and

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01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 14: no doubt at that point will be a bit a

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 14: bit of an update as well.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't you who asked at the meeting today whether they

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01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 4: might need another bail out, another equality raise in a year.

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Speaker 14: It was answer, I think yes, and a look that

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01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 14: the company did respond really clearly on that, and he

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01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 14: and the George Adams's comment comment, quite appropriately was that

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01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 14: they have to earn their stripes before they come back

1640
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 14: to the market. Other words, they've got to have some

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01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 14: proof on the board that they have actually delivered something

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 14: and that that is a reasonable answer, and that the

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01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 14: key that what was behind my question was signaling that firstly,

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Speaker 14: that that operating performance over the next twelve months is

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 14: absolutely critical for them to be able to still cope

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01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 14: with what is a significant level.

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Speaker 6: Of debt that they have.

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Speaker 14: They've just refinanced their banking syndicate with a four hundred

1649
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 14: and fifty million dollar facility. That's still a lot of money. Yeah,

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01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 14: and so they are still reliant on a good performance

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01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 14: over the coming twelve months. And look, George Adams did

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01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 14: acknowledge that as well, so it was a very clear answer.

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01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 14: But it's not imminent. They're not going to come to

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01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 14: the market tomorrow and want more capital, but they do

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01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 14: need They still have a lot of work to do

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01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 14: to make sure the company can operate well. There're still

1657
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 14: inherent risks that they need.

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01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 15: To deal with.

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Speaker 4: Olive, it always good to talk to you. I really

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 4: appreciate your time. That's Olive, Amanda new Zealand Shareholders Association.

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01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 4: So as I was telling you right now, it's twenty

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01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 4: pass x by the way, as I was telling you

1663
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 4: after six thirty, we're gonna have a chat to spark

1664
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 4: because the vast majority of small and medium enterprises in

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01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 4: this country don't plan to use AI. It's sixty eight percent.

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01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 4: Sixty eight percent of SMEs do not plan to use AI.

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01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 4: They either don't understand AIO or they don't think it

1668
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 4: brings value. Now, I'm not alarmed by that because we've

1669
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 4: been talking about it in circle of friends and stuff

1670
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 4: about whether we're using AI. Some of my friends are

1671
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 4: using AI all of the time to write, for example,

1672
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 4: speeches or presentations or that kind of thing that pumps

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01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 4: it out. Then they basically tidy it up. But I've

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01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 4: tried to use it, and I've had a bit of

1675
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 4: a rope my personally. What's happened to me? That's proved

1676
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 4: problematic because I would be using it basically for really

1677
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 4: fast research. Right, So I would say, for example, to AI,

1678
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, let's just make something up. Give me

1679
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 4: a list of National Party cabinet ministers who picked their

1680
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 4: nose in history. And the problem is as far as

1681
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 4: I know, the AI chat GPT that I was using

1682
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 4: only goes back. How far does it go? Aback Laura,

1683
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 4: I feel like it's to twenty twenty or something like that.

1684
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 4: Like in terms of its scraping of news articles doesn't

1685
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 4: go back that fast, maybe twenty twenty one. So I

1686
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 4: only get about three years worth of content. I remember

1687
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 4: more than three years with content. What's the point like

1688
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 4: an AI out of my brain faster than that and

1689
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 4: get more out of it. So there's my problem immediately

1690
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 4: is that it's really promising, but it's limited in what

1691
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 4: it can give me. And this is I mean, look,

1692
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 4: I don't know where things have changed in the last

1693
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 4: few months. Is the last time I used that? That's

1694
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 4: as far as I got, So I kind of see

1695
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 4: that while it's promising, you could sort of see where

1696
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 4: it's going to go, it haven't quite got there just yet.

1697
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 4: But anyway, we'll have a chat to spark about it

1698
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 4: when they're with us and see what they're picking up.

1699
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 4: Six twenty two.

1700
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's headed dupe

1701
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: for c Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my

1702
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: HR the HR solution for busy sms on news talksb.

1703
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 4: Billy Eilish is the latest of the like Hollywood and

1704
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 4: pop star, you know, like the celebrities to endorse Karmala Harris.

1705
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 4: She and her brother have done it in an Instagram video. Interestingly,

1706
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 4: they're taking a very similar approach to Taylor Swift, where

1707
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 4: they're basically encouraging people to register to vote, which is

1708
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 4: basically how because that's the problem that the Democrats have got,

1709
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 4: So that's what they're tapping into their Like it's National

1710
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 4: Voter Registration Day, Go and register, we're voting for these

1711
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 4: guys and so on. So mobilizing is basically the big thing.

1712
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 4: We'll see how that goes for them. At the moment,

1713
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 4: it's six twenty five. Now, all eyes are going to

1714
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 4: be on the US Federal Reserve tomorrow. Mo I think

1715
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 4: the furdest tip to cut the official cash rate in

1716
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 4: the US. It will be the first rate cut since

1717
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, so a lot's riding on it. Andrew Kurtain

1718
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 4: from Milford Asset Management will be watching in US with us.

1719
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: Now.

1720
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 4: Hey, Andrew, Hey, hey, so what do you reckon? Are

1721
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 4: we going to get a rate cat? And if we do,

1722
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 4: how big?

1723
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm confident we'll see the first rate cut, mainly

1724
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 25: because it's made very clear from Jerome Power at the

1725
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 25: Jackson Ole conference last month that he thought the time

1726
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 25: has come to cut interest rates. So what the market's

1727
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 25: expecting at the moment is around about somewhere between twenty

1728
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 25: five to fifty basis points. It will be one of

1729
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 25: the other, but the sort of leaning towards a fifty basis.

1730
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 26: Point cut, which is, you know, which is larger than

1731
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 26: what you usually see where you tend to see banks

1732
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 26: kick off with the twenty five basis point cut. But

1733
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 26: I guess the other thing that's important to note with

1734
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 26: announcement tomorrow is it's not just the interest rate cut

1735
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 26: the market will be looking at. They'll also be looking

1736
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 26: at comments.

1737
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 25: Made by the feed him and Jerome Powell where we'll

1738
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 25: do a press conference afterwards and he tends to give

1739
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 25: a little bit about look on the companies and sort

1740
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 25: of action where they see the heading and watching these

1741
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 25: comments very closely.

1742
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 4: The US economy is actually performing quite a bit stronger

1743
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 4: than New Zealand at the moment, so why are they

1744
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 4: cutting rates?

1745
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 14: That's right.

1746
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: The US economy is actually growing at around.

1747
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 21: About three percent. It's that's sort of trends trend levels

1748
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 21: of growth.

1749
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 27: You know, that compares to where the economic growth has

1750
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 27: essentially been about zero over US twelve months. So the

1751
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 27: US has a position that they are thinking of cutting

1752
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 27: interest rates while the economy is still strong. But the

1753
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 27: reason the cutting the market has started to weaken.

1754
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 26: So over the last twelve months or so, you've seen

1755
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 26: unemployment rates increase from about three point five percent to

1756
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 26: four point two percent.

1757
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 2: Now.

1758
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 26: Jerome Powell said about a month ago that he doesn't

1759
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 26: want to see the labor much more.

1760
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 21: So.

1761
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 26: The way he gets in front of that is growing

1762
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 26: in a little bit of nualist of the economy by

1763
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 26: lowering interest rates, which tends to help the economy back up.

1764
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 26: Now through in a fortunate position as well because their

1765
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 26: inflation levels have come down to about two point five percent.

1766
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 21: That's sort of broadly within the sort of target.

1767
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 27: That the Fed Reserve has for inflation, so they're they're.

1768
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 25: Able to now cut rates without fear of sit inflation

1769
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 25: continuing to run away.

1770
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting stuff. He Andrey, thank you appreciate it. Mate,

1771
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:12,560
Speaker 4: We'll have to leave it because that phone line's a

1772
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 4: wee bit on the dodgy side, doesn't it. That's Andrew

1773
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 4: Kurtain Molfit Asset Management. I have got my hands on

1774
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 4: thanks to Jason Walls, lovely lovely young man who sent

1775
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 4: it through to us. The Talbot Mills Pole which has

1776
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 4: obviously been released to counter the Taxpayer's Union Curier Pole,

1777
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 4: which was released yesterday. Some interesting stuff in it actually,

1778
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna rng you through that shortly. We'll do it.

1779
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 4: We'll do it after half by six. Heather, You're wrong

1780
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 4: often often mate, chat GPT's original knowledge and training base

1781
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 4: was up to twenty twenty one, so not after twenty one,

1782
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 4: so it knew everything that happened before twenty twenty one.

1783
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 4: It's now been updated. It's able to search the web

1784
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 4: up to the present day. This is fantastic news, kick

1785
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 4: and thank you very much. So I knew it was

1786
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 4: one or the other, right, but still kind of like

1787
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 4: if you're trying to do research it kind of it doesn't.

1788
01:22:58,360 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 4: You've got a gap there, and in quite a sign

1789
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 4: of gap in the recent history. In fact, I don't

1790
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 4: know which is more significant, recent or distant history. But anyway,

1791
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 4: either way, there was a bit of a bug in

1792
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 4: it for me. But now I know that it's it's comprehensive,

1793
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 4: and so I will forthwith start using it immediately to

1794
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 4: do intensive background research on everything that I talk about,

1795
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 4: and hopefully things will improve a great deal from here

1796
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 4: on in. Okay, next up, let's talk about that which

1797
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 4: is AI. I'm going to have a chet to spark

1798
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 4: about why it is that people are so reticent on

1799
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 4: it in this country. They're gonna be a US shortly

1800
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 4: neu storgs B.

1801
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: Stay, how aren't you?

1802
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: I need you?

1803
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 14: Oh god, ah.

1804
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: Need It's beautiful, says it. Whether it's macro micro or

1805
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:48,760
Speaker 1: just playing economics.

1806
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 2: It's all on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Allen

1807
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 2: and my HR the HR solution for busy SMEs used dogs. B.

1808
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: We're the only one who can up.

1809
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 28: And run leave me, just as the there's a nail king,

1810
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 28: you hold all the curves or the broken harsh on

1811
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 28: all the asuaities a living only you know the strengthnity

1812
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 28: on your market story.

1813
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 4: Right, We're going to the UK and ten minutes time

1814
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 4: we've got Gavin Gray there and I'm going to run

1815
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,799
Speaker 4: you through what I think is probably the most interesting

1816
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 4: part of the Talbot Mills pole, which has clearly been

1817
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 4: leaked or released whatever however you want to frame it

1818
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 4: has been put out there in order to kind of

1819
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 4: counter the narrative that we're getting from the taxpayers Union

1820
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 4: Curier Pole, which came out yesterday and showed that Chippy

1821
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 4: has like fallen through the floor in terms of popularity.

1822
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 4: Just really quickly, an update on what happened yesterday with

1823
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 4: the vapes and all that stuff. You remember the vape

1824
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 4: that the Health New Zealand did the sting on the

1825
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 4: retailer selling vapes and sighis to underage kids, and they

1826
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 4: busted sixty four of them doing the wrong thing, which

1827
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 4: is ten percent of them. They've dished out the fines now,

1828
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 4: so the vast majority of these businesses of the sixty

1829
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 4: four will get fines of around five hundred bucks for

1830
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 4: doing what they did. But wow, a couple of them

1831
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 4: have wow been walloped. There is a christ Church cigar

1832
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 4: and tobacco retailer it's going to pay twenty eight thousand

1833
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 4: dollars for breaches eight sales obviously to underage people and

1834
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 4: advertising breaches. And then in Napier there's a vape and

1835
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 4: tobacco store which has been fined eight thousand dollars for

1836
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 4: repeatedly selling single cigies. I mean, how old school is

1837
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 4: a single ciggies and wrongful advertising of tobacco products. It's

1838
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 4: twenty two away from.

1839
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Seven ever, duper clan.

1840
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 4: Now, sixty eight percent of small and medium businesses in

1841
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 4: New Zealand do not plan to use AI. They either

1842
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,759
Speaker 4: don't understand it or they don't think it brings value.

1843
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 4: This is according to a enz Ieer's quarterly survey of

1844
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 4: Business opinion now. Earlier in the year, Spark did some

1845
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 4: research as well, and that found that AI will in

1846
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 4: fact lift productivity way higher than labor productivity alone. The

1847
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 4: head of Data and AI at Spark, Matt Bain, is

1848
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,959
Speaker 4: with us now, Hey, Matt, hey, Heather, did it surprise

1849
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 4: you that this many businesses are not going to do it?

1850
01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 29: I think if you look at Michael ot the US,

1851
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 29: forty percent of you as small businesses are using it.

1852
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 29: And so while we're behind, there's a good opportunity for

1853
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 29: us to get get onto this trend. The new genitive

1854
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 29: AI capability is democratize what used to do. You know,

1855
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 29: big companies like Spark have been able to lean into

1856
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 29: the stuff, but it's been not accessible for a lot

1857
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 29: of smaller businesses. So all of a sudden, it is

1858
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 29: and we're really focused on how can we help educate

1859
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 29: small businesses to make the most of it.

1860
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 4: Why is it that they don't think that they need

1861
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 4: to use it.

1862
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 29: I think people don't realize how powerful it is. So

1863
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 29: a lot of people think it's like Google and you

1864
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 29: can ask it to create image for you or answer

1865
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 29: a question. But you know, I'm in marketing, so it

1866
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 29: can write your marketing plan, it can create your advertising,

1867
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 29: it can take your existing plan and act as a

1868
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 29: consultant to tell you how to improve it. So it

1869
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 29: can really help to a small business which is resource

1870
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 29: constrained to do much better than it's currently doing.

1871
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 4: But why don't businesses realize this? They're not fiddled with it.

1872
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: I think there's some training required.

1873
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 29: So one of the complexities is that these large language

1874
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 29: models are trained on the entire world's information, so every

1875
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 29: book that can be read, and therefore if you ask

1876
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 29: it a general question, it can hallucinate or give you

1877
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 29: a weird answer. So there's some training required to go

1878
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 29: how do you give it the context required so it

1879
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 29: gives you the right answer. And so what we're focusing

1880
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 29: on is how do we train businesses and business leaders

1881
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 29: in this country to get the most out of the

1882
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 29: platforms they have access to.

1883
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 4: Matt, I don't know if you found this. I mean

1884
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 4: you probably haven't because you seem like somebody who's quite

1885
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 4: o fay with technology. But I found the whole thing

1886
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 4: quite fiddly. Like I had to go in and log in,

1887
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 4: create an account, which is not unusual, but then you

1888
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 4: have to go into this like what it feels like

1889
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 4: quite a complicated little platform to be able to ask

1890
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 4: the single question, Like it just isn't as user friendly

1891
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 4: as Google, do you know what I mean?

1892
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,600
Speaker 21: Yeah, there's a little bit more complexity to it.

1893
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 29: I agree, heither, And that's why we think it's important

1894
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:57,560
Speaker 29: that we focus on educating businesses because once you do

1895
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 29: get it, it's a very quick learning curve a week,

1896
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 29: you can be really competent, but it's not quite as

1897
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 29: simple as Google with a single search box.

1898
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 4: You're right, okay, right, So if you get on board

1899
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 4: as a smaller business enterprise, smaller medium sized business enterprise,

1900
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 4: how much can this actually help? Do you think.

1901
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 29: It can help in every aspect of your business? And

1902
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 29: so I think a good rule that I always tell

1903
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 29: my team in small businesses I meet is you should

1904
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 29: be using it ten times a day already because there's

1905
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 29: a bunch of stuff you're doing, you know, writing emails,

1906
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 29: replying to emails, creating reports. That this thing can augment

1907
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 29: your capability. You can do it much faster. So it's

1908
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 29: really easy to get started on small tasks. There's a

1909
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 29: lot more complexity you can get into. But really what

1910
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 29: we're focusing on is how do you get started and

1911
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 29: start to appreciate the value it can deliver really quickly.

1912
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 4: I might have to get into it, Matt, Thank you

1913
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 4: very much, really appreciated. Matt Daan head of data at

1914
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 4: ai OH Data and AI at Spark. I mean, for

1915
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 4: a start, obviously, what I would be doing is asking

1916
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 4: it to just speak English for me. That would help

1917
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 4: a lot. Okay, here we go. This is the tail

1918
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 4: Mills poll that's been released today that Jason Wolves is

1919
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 4: very kindly given to us because he's got his hands

1920
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 4: on it. What I find fascinating. What this is not fascinating?

1921
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 4: I mean, this will be absolutely no surprise to you

1922
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 4: at all. The issue that is the top issue for

1923
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 4: voters of every single party is the cost of living

1924
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 4: and inflation. It is number one FITZ Party, Maori Green Labor,

1925
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 4: National Act and New Zealand First Voters. There are only

1926
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 4: two parties that have voters of which have in their

1927
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 4: top five race relations. Those two parties are the Maori

1928
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 4: Party and the ACT Party. It's number two for voters

1929
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 4: who vote for the Marori Party, race relations is and

1930
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 4: it's number five for ACT voters. For every other party

1931
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 4: it doesn't feature in the top five. The top five

1932
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 4: is filled out with things like housing, climate change, health, poverty, crime,

1933
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 4: the economy and so on and so on. Now that

1934
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 4: should tell you that is why ACT is going hard

1935
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Speaker 4: on race relations. That's why the Marty Party is responding

1936
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 4: on race relations. That's why the Prime Minister of the

1937
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 4: National Party is trying to dampen the thing down and

1938
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 4: not talking about it at all. Interestingly, if that is

1939
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 4: Luxein's approach, that is the approach that Labour should take

1940
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,600
Speaker 4: as well, and they should basically shut up about it

1941
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 4: because it's not in their top five for their voters.

1942
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 4: I'd be interested to see how that changes as the

1943
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 4: Treaty Principle's Bill gets underway and whether it has an

1944
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 4: effect the otherwise the wise Frankly, the poll says completely

1945
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,839
Speaker 4: the opposite of what the Taxpayer's Union Curier Poles said yesterday,

1946
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 4: which was that the country's headed in the right direction,

1947
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,799
Speaker 4: This pulse is headed in the wrong direction, that Chippy's

1948
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 4: popularity has fallen through the floor. This Pole says it's

1949
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 4: actually neck and neck with Chris Lux and he's on

1950
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,759
Speaker 4: twenty six, Chippy's on twenty two, and that the parties

1951
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 4: are quite close. It has some corporate favorability, which I

1952
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 4: think is quite fascinating. Trade me is the most favorable

1953
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 4: business in this country. It's got an overall favorable rating

1954
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 4: of seventy nine. The warehouse, he the ware house still

1955
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 4: way up there, number two seventy nine in New Zealand

1956
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,520
Speaker 4: still has a favorability rating of seventy seven, which surprises

1957
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 4: me because I think they're quite crap at their job,

1958
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 4: so that I take as quite a big surprise. Kee

1959
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 4: we Banks right up there with sixty four. Spark As,

1960
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 4: it's sixty four favorability Fonterra sixty two, B and Z

1961
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 4: fifty five, west Pac fifty two, Contact Energy fifty one,

1962
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 4: and from there on down, it's just you know, poor

1963
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 4: old Sky TV forty two Transpower thirty five. That'll be

1964
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 4: because that because I don't know if you're aware of it,

1965
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 4: but one time some transpower contractors took all the butt

1966
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 4: bolts out of and the pulse and yeah, the power

1967
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 4: went out. Yeah, and then they didn't want to talk

1968
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 4: about it. That'll be that, I think. Sixteen away from seven.

1969
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 2: Well, everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business

1970
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 2: Hour with Heather duple CLIs and my HR the HR

1971
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 2: solution for busy SMEs on News Talk zb.

1972
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 4: WE there's a dispute over a song and whether it's

1973
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 4: the same and it involves Miley Cyrus and Bruno Mars.

1974
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you be the decider of that. Shortly

1975
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 4: fourteen away from seven, Gavin Gray are UK correspondence with US. Now, Hey, Gavin,

1976
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 4: good mine? How Yeah, so the pager thing is not

1977
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 4: a good look for the company that makes the pages right.

1978
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 30: Indeed, so the company is called gold Apollo, and as

1979
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 30: we know, nine people including a child killed after these

1980
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 30: handheld pages used by members of Hezbollah exploded across Lebanon.

1981
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 30: But the question is, well, how did that happen? And

1982
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 30: the boss, the founder of this Taiwanese company, Gold Apollo

1983
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 30: says the pages were reportedly made in Europe under license.

1984
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 30: Now the man is refusing to name the European country

1985
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 30: or indeed the European firm that had the right to

1986
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 30: do this, But this model of device AR nine two

1987
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 30: four was certainly being made in Europe, and earlier security

1988
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 30: services telling Reuter's agency that Israel's Mossad spy agency planted

1989
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 30: a small amount of explosives inside five thousand pages brought

1990
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 30: by Hesbala, but at the moment no agreement or no

1991
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 30: confirmation from Israel about that. But it is said that

1992
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 30: with five thousand pages, of course, could be the start

1993
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 30: of something very very lengthy to further exacerbate the situation

1994
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 30: in the Middle East.

1995
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 4: So what is the point of what the boss of

1996
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 4: this company is trying to do. Are they trying to

1997
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 4: say they themselves weren't infiltrated, like, is it them trying

1998
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 4: to distance themselves from possibly Israel? Or are they trying

1999
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 4: to brand protect you? Because I don't know that it

2000
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 4: helps with the brand.

2001
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 30: No, I mean I actually don't think. I don't think

2002
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 30: he's trying to do either. I think it's just a

2003
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 30: sort of a comment or a reporter that they weren't

2004
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 30: made in Taiwan. They were made in Europe, and it

2005
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 30: does kind of not detract in any way from the

2006
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 30: answers that have to be given. But if something is

2007
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 30: made under license, of course those license conditions are very strict,

2008
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 30: but it does mean therefore, if Israel is responsible, that

2009
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 30: Mossa is operating within Europe quite freely and managing to

2010
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:52,480
Speaker 30: get into what one would think anyway a very sensitive

2011
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 30: high tech manufacturing organizations and high tech manufacturing headquarters. So

2012
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 30: this is definitely something that a lot of people around

2013
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 30: Europe are going to be looking at to see what

2014
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 30: company was making this underlicense.

2015
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, very good point, now, Gavin Norway, So it's

2016
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 4: got more evs on on the roads now than ice vehicles.

2017
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 30: Yes, isn't this an interesting one? So Norway's really spearheading

2018
01:34:16,360 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 30: the way of the two point eight million private cars

2019
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 30: registered in Norway now, seven hundred and fifty four thousand

2020
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,520
Speaker 30: are all electric, seven hundred and fifty.

2021
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: Three thousand run on petrol. The country has five.

2022
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 30: And a half million people. It's aiming to become the

2023
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 30: first nation to end the sale of new petrol and

2024
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 30: diesel cars by twenty twenty five. So it is a

2025
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 30: very very tight deadline for those, of course, but the

2026
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:49,479
Speaker 30: sales of EVS electric vehicles really boosted in Norway by

2027
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 30: the government introducing big tax breaks and other incentives for

2028
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 30: those people buying these electric vehicles. But of course may

2029
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:01,200
Speaker 30: will point to the country being massively wealthy. It has

2030
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 30: a sovereign wealth front of nearly three trillion New Zealand

2031
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 30: dollars built up from the proceeds of oil fields, and

2032
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 30: it is interesting that this country, which is the largest

2033
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 30: exporter of oil now has such a big push on

2034
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 30: electric vehicles.

2035
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 4: Yes, so listen on on Catherine. She's had her first engagement,

2036
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 4: but it's not one that the public's been able to see.

2037
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Her at no correct.

2038
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 30: So good news in that Princess Catherine, the Princess of Wales,

2039
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:35,560
Speaker 30: Prince William's wife, has attended her first work meeting, but

2040
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 30: it was behind closed doors at Windsor Castle. We only

2041
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 30: found out about it after it had happened, and it

2042
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,719
Speaker 30: was about one of the charities one of the groups

2043
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 30: that she's involved in, about early childhood project. Because so

2044
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 30: she's very very keen on the fact that the things

2045
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 30: that you learn in your childhood and experience in your

2046
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,800
Speaker 30: childhood really do come to life in your later years.

2047
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 30: Of course, this follows the video message last week where

2048
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 30: she revealed that her chemotherapy had ended and the relief,

2049
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 30: saying had been incredibly tough, but says there was a

2050
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 30: renewed sense of hope for the future and I think

2051
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 30: we're now beginning to see her slowly return to royal

2052
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,560
Speaker 30: life and role duties. It'll be very carefully managed. I

2053
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,559
Speaker 30: think what many people are going to be looking at

2054
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 30: is will she be able to actually attend in person

2055
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 30: and in public remembrance events in mid November, but also

2056
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 30: the Christmas Carol concerts coming up.

2057
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, it should be interesting and beast of luck to her. Gavin,

2058
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 4: thank you as always we talked to you in a

2059
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 4: couple of days. It's Kevin Gray are UK correspondent nine.

2060
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 4: Oh okay, you're going to have to listen to both

2061
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 4: these pieces of music and make if your iyma. We'll

2062
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 4: do it next night away from seven.

2063
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

2064
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Hither Duplicy Ellen and my HR,

2065
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 2: the HR platform for sme us talk.

2066
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 4: Zipp okay, here we go. You be the judge of

2067
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 4: this okay. Miley Cyrus is being sued for copyright infringement

2068
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 4: over this song twenty twenty three's hit Flowers bugin Varnasa.

2069
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: Flowers name said.

2070
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 4: Right, Tempo Music's investment. Tempo Music Investments rather is the

2071
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,560
Speaker 4: one who is suing Miley Cyrus. They're accusing her of

2072
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 4: ripping off the malady and the harmony and the chorus

2073
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 4: of a Bruno Mars song that he released in twenty twelve.

2074
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 4: This one bugin Varnasa, Lord, that would be really quite

2075
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 4: ripping it off. No, just try this one should have

2076
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 4: bargil Flowers should get your armors. That's a straight rapof,

2077
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,600
Speaker 4: isn't it. Like Laura Beatty doesn't agree with this, but

2078
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 4: then she masters in the violin, so obviously only has

2079
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 4: a limited knowledge of music. The problem with it is

2080
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent sold on this. Not that

2081
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 4: I think that she should be sued for it, because

2082
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 4: I think, oh, for God's sake, like, let lighten up

2083
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 4: every body. But it is obviously a rip off, isn't it,

2084
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 4: Because the difference between Miley Cyrus the song and Bruno

2085
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 4: Mars the song is just simply that the beat is

2086
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 4: a lot faster. If you listen to his listen how

2087
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,000
Speaker 4: this is the this is the bit, the flowers bit.

2088
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 4: He's slow, should have bargil flower speed it up and

2089
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 4: it sounds like this.

2090
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: Bugging manas a flower.

2091
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 4: Slam dunk.

2092
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 6: Andy, Yeah, it's a slam dunk. I'd be sewing big time.

2093
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 4: Would you?

2094
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2095
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 4: Why would you be suing that?

2096
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 6: I need to be made on that one?

2097
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 31: Well, because like the lyrics is like it's clearly she's

2098
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,680
Speaker 31: listened to that song and she's made some type of

2099
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 31: It's not a parody obviously, but like you know, she's based.

2100
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 31: She's reversed the song almost.

2101
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 4: So Tess adds to this conversation because Tessa is sent

2102
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 4: to text through saying Miley Cyrus wrote the song as

2103
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 4: a knockback to Liam Hemsworth, her ex husband, right, and

2104
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 4: their wedding dance song was the Bruno Mars song. So

2105
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 4: she had permission from Bruno apparently, which is why he's

2106
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 4: not suing her. Just the record company is. But it

2107
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,840
Speaker 4: seems that the record company has the problem. So what

2108
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 4: it is, and this is what I thought immediately when

2109
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 4: I heard it, was she didn't rip off. It's it's

2110
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 4: a creative reinterpretation of the same thing. It's an or mush.

2111
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 31: It also shows how little say Bruno has doesn't it

2112
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 31: He doesn't want to do it, but the company can

2113
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 31: just do whatever they want.

2114
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 4: Well, they're just money grubbing executives, aren't they exactly? Yeah,

2115
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 4: now I like this. I mean the heaps of art

2116
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 4: is built on previous art and twists on previous art.

2117
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 4: I think everybody just needs to settle.

2118
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 6: Down anyway, But there's money to be made.

2119
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 4: But there's money to be.

2120
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 24: Made for.

2121
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 6: Heavy Birthday Heather.

2122
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 4: Thank you man.

2123
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 31: It's been really good and you've been really easy to

2124
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 31: just get along and kind of wishy heavy birthday today.

2125
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 31: You weren't awkward out in the office with that cake.

2126
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 31: Barry started singing.

2127
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 6: I told him not to. I said to him, I

2128
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:55,360
Speaker 6: was going to do a very impression there.

2129
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 20: I want.

2130
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 4: I am stressed out today. I've got so much stuff

2131
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 4: to do. Don't sing happy birthday to me in front

2132
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 4: of everybody. And then he did it.

2133
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 31: He started it really like Barry's voices were kind of

2134
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:07,479
Speaker 31: a little bit flat.

2135
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,160
Speaker 6: And then yeah, you kind of went into it, but anyway,

2136
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 6: and then.

2137
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 4: And then I cut the cake. Can we paint the picture? Please?

2138
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:14,560
Speaker 4: So I stood there with my arms folded, listening to

2139
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:18,560
Speaker 4: you people sing god awfully. And then I took and

2140
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,679
Speaker 4: then I tried to walk away, and when you finished,

2141
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,880
Speaker 4: like as polite, and then he was like, you got

2142
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 4: to cut the cake. So I went up to the cake,

2143
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 4: grabbed the knife, cut it and walked away, didn't I.

2144
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 31: Yeah, you're like an awkward you're like that kind of guy.

2145
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 31: I didn't want to a speech at the twenty first.

2146
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 31: I like being he's great, like that kind of thing.

2147
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, except it came from a very.

2148
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:38,680
Speaker 6: A lot better. Happy birthday though, thank you so much.

2149
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 4: Like I've done this for forty birthdays.

2150
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 22: I know what I'm like.

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Speaker 4: Can we please stop singing it tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: Back for more from Hither Duplessy allan Drive. Listen live

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Speaker 1: to news talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast

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Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio