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Speaker 1: Jason Pine and Andrew Sevill, both with US fellows. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Jason. How about the draw for Auckland

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Speaker 1: f C.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Yes, I know you would have been riveted to that.

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Speaker 2: Mic and Steve Coriker afterwards pulling no punches saying nobody

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Speaker 2: played well, we were all terrible. I can't single out

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Speaker 2: a single player who enhanced their reputation or redeem themselves.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, one one out of the box. Raukland f

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Speaker 2: C have been good, good obviously, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I wor to do Lisa, Lisa was a wontiful day.

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Speaker 2: Well that was right, yea, at least it was a

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Speaker 2: nice day at Mount Smart.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me, Andrew just I don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: follow this close enough so I'm not an expert, but

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Speaker 1: it appears just before we get into the you know,

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Speaker 1: the national disposition of bagging the All Blacks. So Australia

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Speaker 1: seems to have had a rubbish season. We all at

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Speaker 1: some point have lost to somebody and it's all in all.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not sure that that the All Blacks affected.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know they won most of their tests,

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Speaker 1: they lost three times. The end of the world, is it?

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Speaker 3: You have ten to agree? In most parts ten ten

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Speaker 3: wins out of thirteen. But I think it was the

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Speaker 3: three losses that will really bite that record. Losses of

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Speaker 3: Africa away to Argentina and then the English game where

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Speaker 3: the English probably should have won by more, but you

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Speaker 3: factor and they had six or seven frontline players back

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Speaker 3: home injured. That's a factor, Mike. But but on the

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Speaker 3: other side, there's a lot of twos and frozen pros

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Speaker 3: and cons here. But the other side, Mike, is that

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Speaker 3: they played a French B team if you can call

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Speaker 3: it that, back in July and barely beat them three times.

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Speaker 3: You play, if we look at if we look at listen,

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Speaker 3: if we look at this Northern two and our compared

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Speaker 3: to last year and in general, have the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: moved forward in a big way, and you'd have to

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Speaker 3: say overall, no.

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Speaker 1: But here's my thing. And I learned this in twenty

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Speaker 1: fifteen as I stood at you and I Andrew, you'll

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Speaker 1: remember it well, as we stood outside Twickenham in the.

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Speaker 3: Early you left early to beat the traffic.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, of course I did a World Cup finally,

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Speaker 1: of course I did. But the point being, as we

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Speaker 1: still all that's all that matters, Like If we win

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Speaker 1: the World Cup, that's all that matters. Could none of

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Speaker 1: this is going to be remembered for a minute.

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Speaker 3: But as we said last week, if you look at

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Speaker 3: if you look at France, of Africa, even Ireland, maybe England,

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Speaker 3: would the All Blacks beat them in a World Cup

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Speaker 3: knockout game at the moment is not.

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Speaker 1: The World Cup. That's that's my point. My point is

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Speaker 1: that I take all your points and look.

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Speaker 3: I agree there are green shoots there in some in

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Speaker 3: some areas of their play and and the team that

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Speaker 3: beat Wales and beat them well in the end was

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Speaker 3: a totally new look team that hadn't played together before,

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Speaker 3: trained a lot together, but hadn't played a lot together.

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Speaker 3: So I think you've got a factor that in as well.

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Speaker 3: But overall, is this all Black side making big improvements,

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Speaker 3: big movements forward?

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Speaker 1: No, Jason.

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Speaker 2: I think next year yeah, next year is going to

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Speaker 2: be massive with this tour of South Africa. Four tests

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Speaker 2: over there, well, three in South Africa, one that are

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Speaker 2: yet to be disclosed neutral location. Look, I think you know,

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Speaker 2: after two years we all expected that there would be improvement.

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Speaker 2: As we said last week, there hasn't really been. But

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Speaker 2: if a year from now we're talking and the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks have at least squared that series in South Africa,

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Speaker 2: then maybe we can be having a different conversation. You're right, Mike,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't actually matter. What matters is where we are

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Speaker 2: in late November twenty twenty seven. If Razor is breakdancing

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Speaker 2: that night in Sydney or the Rugby World Cup finalists,

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Speaker 2: we won't remember any of this. Yeah, But I think

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Speaker 2: as we sit here today we are able to assess

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Speaker 2: an All Black side that hasn't shown the improvement we

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Speaker 2: all hoped that they would under.

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Speaker 3: Him and Mike, I think New Zealand fans and we're

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Speaker 3: a little bit different, right. The South Africans lose the

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Speaker 3: odd lose there have lost the odd game, you know,

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Speaker 3: they lost to the Wallabies this year. They're developing a

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Speaker 3: heck of a lot of players. But in this country,

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Speaker 3: as you know, winners demanded every week.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's good. Well, that's that's what That's what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say. It's got to stop. It's I mean,

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Speaker 1: would be great to win every week, fantastic, but the

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Speaker 1: caught up with us. This idea that we don't expect

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Speaker 1: every game every time. It's ludicrous. All we're doing is

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Speaker 3: But you expect the team now two years under the

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Speaker 3: same coaches who have made more improvement.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and I think that their legacy of the

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Speaker 2: side is built on an expectation of excellence as well. Mike,

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Speaker 2: you know you're right it is. It's fanciful to expect

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Speaker 2: they'll win every week. But we still expect that they'll

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Speaker 2: win every week because they are the All Blacks and

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Speaker 2: we remember the team and year steam roll other teams.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was a new team at the weekend, but

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Speaker 3: they let Wales in for four tries second high score

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Speaker 1: Good tries.

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't happen.

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Speaker 1: They got let's replay Bollocks's let's have a lot nineteen times.

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Speaker 3: What's happened on this Northern tour is that the tmos

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Speaker 3: have taken over. You can hear them in the referees

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Speaker 3: not just calling foul play and trace scoring movements. It's everything.

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Speaker 1: Surely somebody on top of rugby understands that looks and

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Speaker 1: that and goes us a bit boring. How long do

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Speaker 2: And the fact that, yeah, the fact that an eighty

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Speaker 2: we're standing there all looking at a screen. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean they're not. I mean they try the other day. Well, yesterday,

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Speaker 2: I think Damien mackenzie had taken the conversion for goodness sake,

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Speaker 1: That and the rule changes.

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Speaker 2: Well does that?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? I did three lots of ten sit

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Speaker 3: You did three lots of ten sit ups across the

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Speaker 1: The time it took her to make up her mind

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing four lots of ten. Make your mind up.

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Speaker 3: Can we just clarify? Sorry, you did you did more

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Speaker 1: Of course I do eventually ten sets of ten. But

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Speaker 3: So any how, much break between each set.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen twenty seconds some like. Then I guess, ten fifteen seconds,

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Speaker 2: It's a great regime. It's a great.

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Speaker 3: Regime, the greater scheme and the great scheme of things.

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Speaker 3: One hundred seats, not many.

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Speaker 1: No, but you do it every day. And if you

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Speaker 3: I've got very strong ebbs.

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Speaker 1: Actually, are you on tonight? You're not? Are you no?

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Speaker 1: Because you've never been on any time I've ever asked you.

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Speaker 3: Not on?

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Speaker 1: Because you'll need a graph. You'll need a graph.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do your hundreds ups, you do your squat, you

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Speaker 3: do your daddy, then you eat your cheeses seeds and

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Speaker 3: your bloody great yogadal cycle.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget the bike. I do the bike.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever and the bike. Do you ever go?

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Speaker 3: Do you go?

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm just letting myself go. I've had

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Speaker 3: enough of this clean living bollocks. I'm just gonna let

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Speaker 3: It's all on. There are no feel there are no

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not a facade or a charade. It's

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Speaker 1: don't forget the sauna. Gotta have the sauna as well

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Speaker 1: every day. Anyway, what you need is, or tell whoever's

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Speaker 1: one thing, the plate underneath Well no, no, no, not that,

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Speaker 1: I mean you can't explain that.

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Speaker 3: But do you mean the points? The points?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the potential for the points. The high

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Speaker 1: to be unbelievable. If it goes okay this weekend, he

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Speaker 1: It's it's all the playful in the final race, and

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Speaker 3: What it was?

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Speaker 2: I have to say, yeah, I felt sorry for Liam

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Speaker 2: on the first corner, right, what do you do? He yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm exactly right, what do you do? And it just

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Speaker 2: completely wrecked his race three or four seconds into it,

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Speaker 2: as I say, one corner, his race is wrecked, and

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Speaker 2: I guess that's f one for you. But it is that, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Is because if you look at the energy put in

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Speaker 1: as good as anybody's in better than most, and so

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Speaker 1: that's why he ended up sixty beat had Juri beat Sonoda.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was. It was all playful, but you know,

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Speaker 1: if you can't get out of the first.

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Speaker 2: Course, he's got that seat, hasn't he He's got that,

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Speaker 2: no questions. Now, why don't they just come out and

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Speaker 2: say it?

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Speaker 3: Now ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: It's just it's so odd. I mean, say, okay, he

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Speaker 2: is going up, so Nota's gone. Liam, You've got this

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Speaker 2: new kid coming in with you. Here's our seats for

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Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 3: Say it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't do that, Jason. Obviously

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Speaker 1: you know if you were running things that would be

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Speaker 1: completely different. But you know, absolutely it is how how much?

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Speaker 1: How many times would you have to be beaten up?

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Speaker 1: Like Dan Hooker got beaten up sev Did you see

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Speaker 1: his face?

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Speaker 3: I mean, at what point do you go?

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Speaker 1: You know what? I can probably do without this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brutal sport. They train to an extreme pretty much

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Speaker 3: every day that people don't see. Yeah, and he's he

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Speaker 3: like yourself, he's taken. He's taken a fear of beating

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Speaker 3: in the last couple of fights, right. So Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: he's a smart cookie too. He'll know he'll know when

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Speaker 3: to he'll know when to chuck it in. You're yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think I think so. I think so.

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Speaker 1: I hope so exci me the cricket, Jason, I didn't

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Speaker 3: I want.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know that I didn't did the I mean,

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Speaker 1: has anyone gripped by the West Indies? Has anyone? Has

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Speaker 2: I haven't know that that hasn't really No. The ashes, though,

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Speaker 2: was so interesting. Isn't that everybody's forgotten how to play

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Speaker 3: Two days, it's two or three T twenties rolled into one,

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Speaker 2: I think Australia Cricket. Australia lost five million in ticket

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Speaker 2: revenue four days three, mainly four and five because these

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Speaker 2: guys just don't want to beat anymore. What happened to

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Speaker 2: a bit of application building partnerships putting.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: See you guys, we'll catch up.

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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister confirm that the Premier selucts and confirm

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Speaker 3: when you're off.

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Speaker 1: Well, he said no, he's getting a bit excited and

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Speaker 1: best to bump the numbers? But yes, Now the next

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Speaker 1: Friday he's in for the present, so he'll be wishing

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Speaker 1: me a very merry Christmas. So if you want to

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Speaker 1: offer me some presents next Monday for our final one,

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Speaker 1: then feel freedom, no holds barred and obviously no limit

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Speaker 1: on expenditure.

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Speaker 3: It'll be an emotional time, I think so.

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Speaker 2: I think what those steermasters. A steer master pray something

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 3: First of December. A Santa hasn't even got off his

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Speaker 3: summer holiday.

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Speaker 1: Yet, don't you worry. Nice to see you, Andrew Evil

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Speaker 1: and Jason Pinet.

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Speaker 3: news talks.

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