WEBVTT - Youth homelessness crisis: Call for national strategy to close support gaps 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:05.800 Kiota. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:09.080 I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:16.720 daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Today is 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:21.560 World Homeless Day, where organizations around the globe shed light 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.520 on the issue. Right now, more than two percent of 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:29.440 New Zealanders are without a home. Stats and Z figures 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:33.080 show more than one hundred and twelve thousand people are 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:38.480 now severely housing deprived across the country. In Auckland, there's 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.080 been a fifty three percent increase in rough sleeping since 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:48.520 late last year. Manarki Rangatahi aims to end youth homelessness 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:53.000 in Altieroa. New Zealand CEO Bianca Johanson is with us 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.040 today on the Front Page to discuss how as a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:03.800 country we can make this happen. So, Bianka, how bad 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.319 is homelessness among our young people? 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.720 Well, we don't have the data and the stats, so 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:13.240 we're always asking the government to help us fund and 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:19.880 research that. So we don't know the massive size of 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.640 the problem. We do know that special needs grants back 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:28.520 in twenty three early twenty four were around over five 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.640 thousand per year, So that's for emergency housing. Back when 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.600 there was emergency housing available. I think it's now down 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.160 to the you know, the sort of the hundreds. We 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.520 do know that doctor Terry and Clark, who did the 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.600 youth two thousand research, she estimated that there was over 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:50.280 one hundred thousand rangatahi and altied or that are facing 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:55.440 housing and security and homelessness. So it's a pretty big 0:01:55.520 --> 0:02:00.320 stat because internationally, youth homelesses is often hidden because of 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:05.720 the CouchSurfing and staying at other people's places and you know, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.760 going from place to place looking for somewhere stable to live. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.960 And that's what people don't realize. Hey, homelessness isn't just 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.560 your rough sleepers out in the street that you might 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.560 be who are visible to us. What else does it include? 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.880 Oh, look, there's a growing older woman's homelessness in this 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.440 country and internationally of course with the recession and the 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.359 economic issues that everybody's facing, increasing house prices, et cetera, 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.440 and also our coma to acquire our elderly people. But 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:40.600 ford Angitahi, the research is really clear if we start 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.440 and preventing and ending youth homelessness will make a massive 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:49.080 difference in the outcomes and the statistics for those that 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.000 are older. So the older street is because I used 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.440 to work for Life Wise Trust in the Central City 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.160 and Tarmaki there and all of them that I've spoken 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:04.640 to that are aroundy plus housing and security and homeless 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.960 has started when they were young people and wards of 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.040 the state and coming out of care and situations like 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.920 that far no breakdowns, abuse of far noo. For many 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:17.519 of them, it started when they were young. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.119 We've had Matama Davidson on the Greens co leader. We've 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.200 spoken to her before about the fact that when you 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:28.119 leave ordering a tamariki or state care, the government isn't 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:33.280 actually legally required to make sure that you go into 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.840 you have a safe accommodation, a safe home to go into. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.200 You would think that the least we can do for 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:44.160 these children who have been in the system and are 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:47.360 coming out of care, young children, that the least we 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.920 can do is provide them with that really basic support 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.520 for the rest of their lives to be able to flourish. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:58.000 What we are seeing, however, and hearing right now, is 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:03.520 that young people, even with advocates and support workers, are 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.720 being told at every stop, sorry, we cannot help you. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:11.080 I suppose this is something that's not news to you. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.000 Yes, not news to me. Around eight hundred to one 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:18.120 thousand young people every year are transitioning out of aut 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:21.279 atomitiicy care and a lot of them run away before 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.880 there is sixteen actually, so we've got a lot of 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.640 young people. I mean, I could take you around the 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.480 Auckland CBD right now and we'll have children and young 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.599 people that are hiding out underage, you know, perhaps looking 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.600 a bit older, but are actually younger and do have 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:44.720 guardianship and custody orders from Autongtomitiki that are sleeping rough 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.760 right now, and Autongtomitiche have no idea where the young 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.400 people are. I mean, if you have children, I have children. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.360 My children are older, but when they were children, when 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.720 they were twelve and fifteen, I knew where they were. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.680 The state does not know where all of their people 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.520 that they have custody and care for actually are. So yeah, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.839 we've got eight hundred to one thousand young people that 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:12.760 are exiting care every year, and they're exiting into nothing. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:18.320 They're often disconnected from FARNO because there hasn't been a 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.480 relationship kept with FARNO. So the trajectory of their lives 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.560 and the outcomes that will be their future in terms 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:30.320 of homelessness and housing is pretty dire because they don't 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.400 have faro in those natural community supports to go to, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.680 so homelessness can be an inevitability for a vast majority, 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:47.200 especially our Dangatahimori who are overrepresented in the care statistics. 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:53.039 So it's really grim with auto Atomitiki. I know that 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.880 they do have youth transitions housing, but there's not enough. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.520 There's not enough in the country for the need that's there. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:02.640 That's what we've. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.240 Seen when it comes to you said that if you 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.919 take me down to Auckland CBD right now, you'd be 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.840 able to show me some young people living rough. Yes, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.760 what are some of the stories that you've heard from 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.279 the ground. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.440 From the ground is that young people don't have any 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.880 front facing information. So if you're a young person in 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.039 alt or tonight, there is nowhere for you to go 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:30.440 and you're homeless. There's no housing there never has been, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:37.040 and no shelters, not for young people, so you can't 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.839 actually have a tendency agreement if you're eighteen and under. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.440 Many of our Angertahi that come into supported youth housing 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:50.000 and youth housing specific are usually under twenty. You know, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:55.960 that's the vast majority that are looking for support so 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.039 young people are saying, look, there's no front facing information, 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.360 I can't find where to go. Many of them, if 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.840 they go into MSD, are not even able to make 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.640 it to the reception receptionist desk to be able to 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.960 get the support that they need. And if they do 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:16.480 make it past the receptionist, which is usually quite a 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:24.400 bias and can be a very aggressive and oppressive process 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.120 for them to actually get to see somebody about their needs. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.320 But if you're a young person, say you're in Auckland, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.200 you're in Queen Street and there's MSD there on Queen 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:39.120 Street for you to be able to make it into 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.200 Queen Street, MISD make it to the receptionist desk, they 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.520 will ask you to go to a youth payment provider. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.560 Those are the people that usually pick up young people 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:57.720 who are experiencing their first out of homelessness or housing 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.880 and security and they need somewhere to go tonight. So 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.200 the nearest youth payment provider to Queen Street is an IPSOM, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:10.520 so they're expected without any income, without usually an at 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.000 hop card or anything like that, having to go all 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.080 the way to IPSOM to the nearest youth payment provider 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.000 to get that kind of support. So there's a lot 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.600 of gaps in the system that ungatahi can fall down. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.200 And this is what we are very very concerned about 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.679 as Manarchi Dungatahi, that too many of our young people 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.200 fall down the gaps. And while they're falling down the gaps, 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:36.400 they get into really unsafe situations because they are the 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.640 most vulnerable out there in that kind of street community 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.320 and culture by virtue of their age. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.200 And even building up the courage to take yourself to 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.920 MSD in the first place, and never mind actually getting 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.320 past the receptionist and things like that. I mean, it 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.079 must be really difficult for these lungatahi. Do they stick 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:02.480 together mostly or building community? What's the community like? 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.319 Are so varied in terms of, you know, how they 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.559 do things. We often don't get a lot of our 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:14.520 young men coming into youth housing because they tend to 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.880 be quite sort of independent. So you've got all sorts 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:22.800 of stories and experiences happening for people. We've got lgbtqi 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.880 plus rang a tahi that are getting kicked out of home, 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.560 usually because they have been coming out or because of 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:33.320 their sexuality. So that particular cohort find it really difficult 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:38.959 because there isn't something specific for our rainbow youth to 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.559 go to in terms of safe housing, especially if you're transgender, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.120 et cetera. Then we've got our autotamitikidng a tahi that 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.559 are transitioning out of care. And then you've got anatahi 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.040 who have had some care experience in their lives, like 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.760 their lives have been touched by the state in terms 0:09:56.800 --> 0:10:01.840 of investigations or things like that, and they have grown older, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.360 the house is overcrowded, they're perhaps encouraged to move on, 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.400 or they're leaving unsafe fino situations where you know there's 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.720 abuse or addiction issues and they just can't tolerate living 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.360 in that situation anymore. 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:26.200 I was not prepared well to leave care. If I 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.760 was prepared well to leave KRE, I would have been 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.120 supported to find alternative accommodation. I would have been provided 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:38.880 with financial advisors to be able to make better financial decisions. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.400 They would have supported me to get into the workforce. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:47.400 In saying that though I am in the workforce, but 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.600 also that took a lot of my own work to 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:55.480 be able to be better equipped to help our most 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.920 vulnerable Tamida ge arang Attai and Faro involved with. 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:05.240 TIMID at the moment, does the government legally have to 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.440 make sure that every young person has a place to live? 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.360 No, No, there's no youth strategy the government barely. We 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.960 don't even in al tedor have an age that we 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.400 say are youth. There's no real definition. I mean sixteen 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.720 to twenty four you are considered a young person. But 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.720 that's what we've been advocating and hustling for as a 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.880 collective where the only youth housing and homeless collective and 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.640 ul tedwer and we use that power of collective impact 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.560 to advocate for change. We have sat with ministers and said, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.520 you know, we need a youth strategy specific for dungcita 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.840 Het because the research internationally is very clear we need 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.320 to start with uncita heat if we were going to 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:54.319 have any funds available, which by the way, this government 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.320 has actually taken away twenty million dollars of the youth 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:03.160 housing funding an altered wor put it towards ad Angitahi. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.400 Because there is the prevention there. You can make a 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:12.439 massive difference. That's what we're calling on this government and 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.439 any other government that comes in the future and previous 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:15.680 to do. 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.319 I mean, because how young are these kids who are 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:21.240 living rough. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.640 So we have a provider, the Pride Project that are 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.120 out in many dwa. They are picking up young people 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.800 from the bus stops and other places that are not 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.720 wanting to go home, and they're eight or nine years old. 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.160 It can vary. There's the whole you know, there's a 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:44.080 whole massive continuum from actual children to young people. But 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.439 as I said, you know, most young people are presenting 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.640 anywhere from around thirteen years old up to twenty years old. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.320 Of course they can't come into youth housing it's only 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.480 for sixteen to twenty. But each youth housing provider has 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.040 their own kind of criteria and youth housing is the 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.440 place that we advocate for young people to come into 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:09.000 and supported youth housing, not adult transitional housing. So a 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:14.439 sixteen year old being an adult transitional housing. We've got 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:19.679 all sorts of ages, typically mainly men and others. It's 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.280 not a safe space d ang tahi to be. 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.480 So let me get this. There's no place if you 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.120 were to pick up a thirteen year old in the 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.160 middle of Auckland who has been sleeping rough, where would 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:32.800 you take them? There's no where to take them. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.800 Specifically, no that's the role of tapata Key. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:44.720 So there's no youth housing situation. No, you must be 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:45.719 so frustrated. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.120 It is really frustrated because we don't have either a 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.599 street outreach really that's looking for these for youth specific 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.880 and that's one of the things that we're working with 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.559 with HAD of course are responsible for home land business 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:04.680 and you know those that are sleeping rough and altas, 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.760 so we have been talking to them about having a 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.560 youth street outreach. Earlier this year we went to the 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.120 and presented at the first Preventing Youth Homelessness conference ever 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:18.439 in the world. We were the only New Zealand delegates 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.120 that went and you know presented there and everywhere has 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:28.840 youth street outreach you know emergency youth facilities. You know 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.040 they're tackling and actually acknowledged that there's a problem with 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:37.000 youth homelessness. We have really yet to have this government 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.320 or subsequent governments actually acknowledged we have a youth housing problem. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.480 Or even just a conversation about it. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.080 Kilda Kilder, that's right. We did have a Homelessness Minister 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.440 that with this government that has been taken away and 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:55.360 that just falls under the portfolio of Tammer Pautucker. When 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.760 we have Madame and Davidson in that role, we made 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.840 great advances actually, and that's where we were able to 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.280 have more youth housing than that's ever been seen in 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.720 Old set all. But we still have massive parts of 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.680 the country that have no youth housing available. So from 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.120 Westokland right up to the top of the North there 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.840 is nothing for Angitahi, nothing suitable, nothing specific. We've got 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.160 Napier that had massive floods and that really impacted on 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.760 the housing situation there. They've got no youth housing. We've 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.320 got far no living intents with children with respiratory issues. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:36.680 We get all sorts of you know, problems and stories 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.200 and crisis coming through here. I think what's important to 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:44.560 remember is that Leilani Faja, who is the un housing 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:49.720 that raptur, came here in twenty twenty twenty, I think 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.680 it was twenty twenty or twenty one and she announced 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.560 that New Zealand is having not a housing crisis but 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:01.960 a human rights crisis. So you can't advance. I mean, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.920 it's very rich for the government to be calling on 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.360 young people must work, work, work. It's very hard to 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.360 go to work when you don't have safe, warm, dry, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.960 secure housing, to have a good night's sleeping and to 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:15.960 advance yourself. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.160 If you were to change something tomorrow, no questions asked. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.960 There's a money tree out the back. What would you do? 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.600 Money tree out the back. Actually, I had one of 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.840 the ministers say to me, look, if I gave you 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.600 thirty million dollars, what would you do. It's not just 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.040 about increasing the youth housing supply, because we could build 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:42.160 five thousand more houses tomorrow and that's not going to 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:47.720 do everything. Yes, the housing supply is really important, but 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:52.120 we need to have a strategy as a country. We 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.880 need to look at putting funding into prevention. We need 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.360 to have research and data. You know, there's a whole 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.360 lot of things that we could do and too of 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.760 healing for our young people. I mean, I would want 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.560 to actually redevelop the whole system and look at all 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.439 the drivers of young people into homelessness and how we 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.280 can actually prevent and stop that, you know, plug up 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.320 the gaps. I mean I talked in a previous interview 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:21.080 that we actually need to devolve a lot of our 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.840 state kind of systems that look after young people into 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:30.200 the community into MADI housing specific housing providers and make 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.520 it so that it's easy to access support. So it's 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.959 I think, yes, we need to put some money towards it, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.480 but we all need to come together, all of the ministries, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.520 all of the ministers and having across party support about 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.760 how we're actually going to do something effective about this issue. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.000 And from the kid's point of view as well. I 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.480 actually ask them exactly. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.640 Our angatahi and that ang a tahi that I've spoken 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.600 to are very political and very politically astute, and they 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.760 have solutions. They have spoken to politicians, some of them 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:12.119 and shared their story, and you know, they want to 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:16.240 prevent other young people going into the streets and experiencing 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.280 what they have had to experience. I mean, one night 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.080 of rough sleeping. I don't know if you've ever had 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.920 to you know, you've been locked out of your house, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.679 or ever had to sleep a little bit rough, will 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.920 sleep in your car. It's a terrible, terrible night, one 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.040 that most people will never forget. And what we say 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.520 is one night is one night too many of having 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:36.720 to sleep rough. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:39.760 Thanks for joining us, Bianca. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.359 You're welcome. Thank you for having me Kilda. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.639 That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.440 can Read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:57.439 at nsidherld, dot co, dot MZ. 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