1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Kiota. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Today is 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: World Homeless Day, where organizations around the globe shed light 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: on the issue. Right now, more than two percent of 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: New Zealanders are without a home. Stats and Z figures 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: show more than one hundred and twelve thousand people are 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: now severely housing deprived across the country. In Auckland, there's 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: been a fifty three percent increase in rough sleeping since 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: late last year. Manarki Rangatahi aims to end youth homelessness 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: in Altieroa. New Zealand CEO Bianca Johanson is with us 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: today on the Front Page to discuss how as a 13 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: country we can make this happen. So, Bianka, how bad 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: is homelessness among our young people? 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: Well, we don't have the data and the stats, so 16 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: we're always asking the government to help us fund and 17 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: research that. So we don't know the massive size of 18 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 3: the problem. We do know that special needs grants back 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: in twenty three early twenty four were around over five 20 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: thousand per year, So that's for emergency housing. Back when 21 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: there was emergency housing available. I think it's now down 22 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: to the you know, the sort of the hundreds. We 23 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: do know that doctor Terry and Clark, who did the 24 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: youth two thousand research, she estimated that there was over 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand rangatahi and altied or that are facing 26 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: housing and security and homelessness. So it's a pretty big 27 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: stat because internationally, youth homelesses is often hidden because of 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: the CouchSurfing and staying at other people's places and you know, 29 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: going from place to place looking for somewhere stable to live. 30 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 2: And that's what people don't realize. Hey, homelessness isn't just 31 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: your rough sleepers out in the street that you might 32 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: be who are visible to us. What else does it include? 33 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: Oh, look, there's a growing older woman's homelessness in this 34 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 3: country and internationally of course with the recession and the 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 3: economic issues that everybody's facing, increasing house prices, et cetera, 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: and also our coma to acquire our elderly people. But 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: ford Angitahi, the research is really clear if we start 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: and preventing and ending youth homelessness will make a massive 39 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: difference in the outcomes and the statistics for those that 40 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: are older. So the older street is because I used 41 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: to work for Life Wise Trust in the Central City 42 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: and Tarmaki there and all of them that I've spoken 43 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 3: to that are aroundy plus housing and security and homeless 44 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: has started when they were young people and wards of 45 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: the state and coming out of care and situations like 46 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 3: that far no breakdowns, abuse of far noo. For many 47 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 3: of them, it started when they were young. 48 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 2: We've had Matama Davidson on the Greens co leader. We've 49 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: spoken to her before about the fact that when you 50 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 2: leave ordering a tamariki or state care, the government isn't 51 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: actually legally required to make sure that you go into 52 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: you have a safe accommodation, a safe home to go into. 53 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: You would think that the least we can do for 54 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: these children who have been in the system and are 55 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: coming out of care, young children, that the least we 56 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: can do is provide them with that really basic support 57 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: for the rest of their lives to be able to flourish. 58 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: What we are seeing, however, and hearing right now, is 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: that young people, even with advocates and support workers, are 60 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: being told at every stop, sorry, we cannot help you. 61 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: I suppose this is something that's not news to you. 62 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: Yes, not news to me. Around eight hundred to one 63 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: thousand young people every year are transitioning out of aut 64 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: atomitiicy care and a lot of them run away before 65 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: there is sixteen actually, so we've got a lot of 66 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: young people. I mean, I could take you around the 67 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: Auckland CBD right now and we'll have children and young 68 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 3: people that are hiding out underage, you know, perhaps looking 69 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: a bit older, but are actually younger and do have 70 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: guardianship and custody orders from Autongtomitiki that are sleeping rough 71 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: right now, and Autongtomitiche have no idea where the young 72 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: people are. I mean, if you have children, I have children. 73 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: My children are older, but when they were children, when 74 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: they were twelve and fifteen, I knew where they were. 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: The state does not know where all of their people 76 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: that they have custody and care for actually are. So yeah, 77 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: we've got eight hundred to one thousand young people that 78 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: are exiting care every year, and they're exiting into nothing. 79 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 3: They're often disconnected from FARNO because there hasn't been a 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: relationship kept with FARNO. So the trajectory of their lives 81 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: and the outcomes that will be their future in terms 82 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: of homelessness and housing is pretty dire because they don't 83 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: have faro in those natural community supports to go to, 84 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: so homelessness can be an inevitability for a vast majority, 85 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: especially our Dangatahimori who are overrepresented in the care statistics. 86 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: So it's really grim with auto Atomitiki. I know that 87 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: they do have youth transitions housing, but there's not enough. 88 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 3: There's not enough in the country for the need that's there. 89 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: That's what we've. 90 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 2: Seen when it comes to you said that if you 91 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: take me down to Auckland CBD right now, you'd be 92 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: able to show me some young people living rough. Yes, 93 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: what are some of the stories that you've heard from 94 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: the ground. 95 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: From the ground is that young people don't have any 96 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: front facing information. So if you're a young person in 97 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 3: alt or tonight, there is nowhere for you to go 98 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: and you're homeless. There's no housing there never has been, 99 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: and no shelters, not for young people, so you can't 100 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: actually have a tendency agreement if you're eighteen and under. 101 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: Many of our Angertahi that come into supported youth housing 102 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: and youth housing specific are usually under twenty. You know, 103 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: that's the vast majority that are looking for support so 104 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: young people are saying, look, there's no front facing information, 105 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: I can't find where to go. Many of them, if 106 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: they go into MSD, are not even able to make 107 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: it to the reception receptionist desk to be able to 108 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: get the support that they need. And if they do 109 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: make it past the receptionist, which is usually quite a 110 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: bias and can be a very aggressive and oppressive process 111 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: for them to actually get to see somebody about their needs. 112 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: But if you're a young person, say you're in Auckland, 113 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: you're in Queen Street and there's MSD there on Queen 114 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: Street for you to be able to make it into 115 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: Queen Street, MISD make it to the receptionist desk, they 116 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: will ask you to go to a youth payment provider. 117 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: Those are the people that usually pick up young people 118 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: who are experiencing their first out of homelessness or housing 119 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: and security and they need somewhere to go tonight. So 120 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: the nearest youth payment provider to Queen Street is an IPSOM, 121 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: so they're expected without any income, without usually an at 122 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: hop card or anything like that, having to go all 123 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: the way to IPSOM to the nearest youth payment provider 124 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: to get that kind of support. So there's a lot 125 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: of gaps in the system that ungatahi can fall down. 126 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: And this is what we are very very concerned about 127 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 3: as Manarchi Dungatahi, that too many of our young people 128 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: fall down the gaps. And while they're falling down the gaps, 129 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: they get into really unsafe situations because they are the 130 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: most vulnerable out there in that kind of street community 131 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: and culture by virtue of their age. 132 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: And even building up the courage to take yourself to 133 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: MSD in the first place, and never mind actually getting 134 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: past the receptionist and things like that. I mean, it 135 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: must be really difficult for these lungatahi. Do they stick 136 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: together mostly or building community? What's the community like? 137 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 3: Are so varied in terms of, you know, how they 138 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 3: do things. We often don't get a lot of our 139 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: young men coming into youth housing because they tend to 140 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: be quite sort of independent. So you've got all sorts 141 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: of stories and experiences happening for people. We've got lgbtqi 142 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: plus rang a tahi that are getting kicked out of home, 143 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 3: usually because they have been coming out or because of 144 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 3: their sexuality. So that particular cohort find it really difficult 145 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 3: because there isn't something specific for our rainbow youth to 146 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: go to in terms of safe housing, especially if you're transgender, 147 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: et cetera. Then we've got our autotamitikidng a tahi that 148 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 3: are transitioning out of care. And then you've got anatahi 149 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: who have had some care experience in their lives, like 150 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: their lives have been touched by the state in terms 151 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: of investigations or things like that, and they have grown older, 152 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: the house is overcrowded, they're perhaps encouraged to move on, 153 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: or they're leaving unsafe fino situations where you know there's 154 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 3: abuse or addiction issues and they just can't tolerate living 155 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: in that situation anymore. 156 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 4: I was not prepared well to leave care. If I 157 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 4: was prepared well to leave KRE, I would have been 158 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 4: supported to find alternative accommodation. I would have been provided 159 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: with financial advisors to be able to make better financial decisions. 160 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: They would have supported me to get into the workforce. 161 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 5: In saying that though I am in the workforce, but 162 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 5: also that took a lot of my own work to 163 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 5: be able to be better equipped to help our most 164 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 5: vulnerable Tamida ge arang Attai and Faro involved with. 165 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: TIMID at the moment, does the government legally have to 166 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: make sure that every young person has a place to live? 167 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: No, No, there's no youth strategy the government barely. We 168 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: don't even in al tedor have an age that we 169 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: say are youth. There's no real definition. I mean sixteen 170 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: to twenty four you are considered a young person. But 171 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: that's what we've been advocating and hustling for as a 172 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: collective where the only youth housing and homeless collective and 173 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: ul tedwer and we use that power of collective impact 174 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: to advocate for change. We have sat with ministers and said, 175 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: you know, we need a youth strategy specific for dungcita 176 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: Het because the research internationally is very clear we need 177 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: to start with uncita heat if we were going to 178 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 3: have any funds available, which by the way, this government 179 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: has actually taken away twenty million dollars of the youth 180 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: housing funding an altered wor put it towards ad Angitahi. 181 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: Because there is the prevention there. You can make a 182 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 3: massive difference. That's what we're calling on this government and 183 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 3: any other government that comes in the future and previous 184 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: to do. 185 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: I mean, because how young are these kids who are 186 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: living rough. 187 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: So we have a provider, the Pride Project that are 188 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: out in many dwa. They are picking up young people 189 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: from the bus stops and other places that are not 190 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: wanting to go home, and they're eight or nine years old. 191 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: It can vary. There's the whole you know, there's a 192 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: whole massive continuum from actual children to young people. But 193 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: as I said, you know, most young people are presenting 194 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: anywhere from around thirteen years old up to twenty years old. 195 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: Of course they can't come into youth housing it's only 196 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: for sixteen to twenty. But each youth housing provider has 197 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: their own kind of criteria and youth housing is the 198 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: place that we advocate for young people to come into 199 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: and supported youth housing, not adult transitional housing. So a 200 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 3: sixteen year old being an adult transitional housing. We've got 201 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 3: all sorts of ages, typically mainly men and others. It's 202 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: not a safe space d ang tahi to be. 203 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: So let me get this. There's no place if you 204 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: were to pick up a thirteen year old in the 205 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: middle of Auckland who has been sleeping rough, where would 206 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: you take them? There's no where to take them. 207 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 3: Specifically, no that's the role of tapata Key. 208 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: So there's no youth housing situation. No, you must be 209 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 2: so frustrated. 210 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: It is really frustrated because we don't have either a 211 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 3: street outreach really that's looking for these for youth specific 212 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: and that's one of the things that we're working with 213 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: with HAD of course are responsible for home land business 214 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: and you know those that are sleeping rough and altas, 215 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: so we have been talking to them about having a 216 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 3: youth street outreach. Earlier this year we went to the 217 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: and presented at the first Preventing Youth Homelessness conference ever 218 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: in the world. We were the only New Zealand delegates 219 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: that went and you know presented there and everywhere has 220 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: youth street outreach you know emergency youth facilities. You know 221 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: they're tackling and actually acknowledged that there's a problem with 222 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 3: youth homelessness. We have really yet to have this government 223 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: or subsequent governments actually acknowledged we have a youth housing problem. 224 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: Or even just a conversation about it. 225 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: Kilda Kilder, that's right. We did have a Homelessness Minister 226 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: that with this government that has been taken away and 227 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: that just falls under the portfolio of Tammer Pautucker. When 228 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: we have Madame and Davidson in that role, we made 229 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: great advances actually, and that's where we were able to 230 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: have more youth housing than that's ever been seen in 231 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: Old set all. But we still have massive parts of 232 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: the country that have no youth housing available. So from 233 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 3: Westokland right up to the top of the North there 234 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: is nothing for Angitahi, nothing suitable, nothing specific. We've got 235 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: Napier that had massive floods and that really impacted on 236 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: the housing situation there. They've got no youth housing. We've 237 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 3: got far no living intents with children with respiratory issues. 238 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: We get all sorts of you know, problems and stories 239 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: and crisis coming through here. I think what's important to 240 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: remember is that Leilani Faja, who is the un housing 241 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: that raptur, came here in twenty twenty twenty, I think 242 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: it was twenty twenty or twenty one and she announced 243 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: that New Zealand is having not a housing crisis but 244 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: a human rights crisis. So you can't advance. I mean, 245 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: it's very rich for the government to be calling on 246 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: young people must work, work, work. It's very hard to 247 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: go to work when you don't have safe, warm, dry, 248 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: secure housing, to have a good night's sleeping and to 249 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 3: advance yourself. 250 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: If you were to change something tomorrow, no questions asked. 251 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: There's a money tree out the back. What would you do? 252 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: Money tree out the back. Actually, I had one of 253 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: the ministers say to me, look, if I gave you 254 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: thirty million dollars, what would you do. It's not just 255 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: about increasing the youth housing supply, because we could build 256 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 3: five thousand more houses tomorrow and that's not going to 257 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: do everything. Yes, the housing supply is really important, but 258 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: we need to have a strategy as a country. We 259 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: need to look at putting funding into prevention. We need 260 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: to have research and data. You know, there's a whole 261 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: lot of things that we could do and too of 262 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 3: healing for our young people. I mean, I would want 263 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: to actually redevelop the whole system and look at all 264 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: the drivers of young people into homelessness and how we 265 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: can actually prevent and stop that, you know, plug up 266 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: the gaps. I mean I talked in a previous interview 267 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: that we actually need to devolve a lot of our 268 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: state kind of systems that look after young people into 269 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 3: the community into MADI housing specific housing providers and make 270 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: it so that it's easy to access support. So it's 271 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 3: I think, yes, we need to put some money towards it, 272 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: but we all need to come together, all of the ministries, 273 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: all of the ministers and having across party support about 274 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: how we're actually going to do something effective about this issue. 275 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: And from the kid's point of view as well. I 276 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: actually ask them exactly. 277 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: Our angatahi and that ang a tahi that I've spoken 278 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 3: to are very political and very politically astute, and they 279 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: have solutions. They have spoken to politicians, some of them 280 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: and shared their story, and you know, they want to 281 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: prevent other young people going into the streets and experiencing 282 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: what they have had to experience. I mean, one night 283 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: of rough sleeping. I don't know if you've ever had 284 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: to you know, you've been locked out of your house, 285 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 3: or ever had to sleep a little bit rough, will 286 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 3: sleep in your car. It's a terrible, terrible night, one 287 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: that most people will never forget. And what we say 288 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 3: is one night is one night too many of having 289 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: to sleep rough. 290 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Bianca. 291 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: You're welcome. Thank you for having me Kilda. 292 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You 293 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: can Read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 294 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 2: at nsidherld, dot co, dot MZ. The Front Page is 295 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: produced by Jane Ye and Richard Martin, who was also 296 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 2: our editor. I'm Chelsea Daniels. 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