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Speaker 2: News Talk Zibi rugby commentator with me as always Leam Napier,

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Speaker 2: rugby writer for The New Zealand Herald. Liam Welcome in

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Speaker 2: the French Chest series is done. You've just spent an

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Speaker 2: hour answering the listeners questions on zidherld dot co dot NZ's.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's probably good opportunity to ask what the

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Speaker 2: pumps is feeling about this series before we get into

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Speaker 2: our thoughts on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to be back from the Mighty tron. Elliott's

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Speaker 3: interesting to note a few questions didn't make it past

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Speaker 3: the monitors the moderators, so it's always a lowell. Yes,

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Speaker 3: there's some common themes I guess around a few questions

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Speaker 3: around Carrifi and his size for test rugby questions around

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Speaker 3: the depth of our first fives, and I guess some

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Speaker 3: concerns about Damian McKenzie's performance in that Third Test in Hamilton,

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Speaker 3: Questions about when Richie Mwonga, Shannon Frazelle might be home

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Speaker 3: when leicesterfying a nooko, whether he's going to be fast tracked,

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Speaker 3: some concerns about the size and general of the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks forward pack. So yeah, I guess a couple of

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Speaker 3: common themes here to potentially pick up on.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, let's get into that third Test. Still Blacks

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Speaker 2: win it on the night twenty nine to nineteen, take

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Speaker 2: the series three to nil. But the scoreline certainly doesn't

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Speaker 2: reflect the nature of the game. They were down ten

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Speaker 2: nil early, they were down nineteen ten on the verge

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Speaker 2: the second spell. They if you look at the stats,

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Speaker 2: absolutely dominated in terms of the amount of tackles they

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Speaker 2: asked the French to make. But the All Blacks huffed

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Speaker 2: down that French house it did.

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Speaker 3: I guess there were some late changes again, the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks going into that match had to change their wingers

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Speaker 3: with Riquowhanney pulling out with his hamstring and then Luke

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Speaker 3: Jacobson what fifteen minutes before kickoff getting injured in a

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Speaker 3: mall in an ocuous incident and pulling up blame of

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Speaker 3: Christian Leo Weady coming on to the bench as well.

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Speaker 3: So maybe there's some disruption there, But it was very evident,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it that the All Blacks had made ten changes.

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Speaker 3: They were clunky and it just didn't gel for the

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Speaker 2: They were, and they'll put under a lot of pressure

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Speaker 2: by the French and heading into that game, it could

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Speaker 2: have gone two ways. You know, speculated that maybe the

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Speaker 2: French had one foot on the plane already. Well, it

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Speaker 2: certainly didn't appear like that. There was a lot of

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Speaker 2: French journalists that we've spoken to that this was the

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Speaker 2: up for most of that game and put the All

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Speaker 2: They defended really really well, especially in the first half,

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Speaker 3: It was quite reminiscent of the First Test, and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we're seeing a drop off now

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Speaker 2: again we saw that on Saturday night. So at hooker,

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Speaker 2: think it's a worry. They're trying to build depth, and

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Speaker 2: they've got depth in terms of players, but I just

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Speaker 2: think Samasoni Takiyaha is now a bench option only. I

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Speaker 2: do you make of that. I think there's a big,

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Speaker 3: There is and I agree. I guess the one kevet

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Speaker 3: developing cohesion and combinations. And there was an argument that,

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Speaker 3: So I think it is really difficult to come in

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Speaker 3: McKenzie to Pia and Leonnard Brown. There were a number

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Speaker 3: Maybe he was a bit overawed. He missed his first

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Speaker 3: for him. But the depth, the established depth that hooker

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Speaker 3: to be fair to Royguard, he upstaged DuPont when they

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Speaker 3: he's got a high call Sprain, So I totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I think hooker and half back the drop offs there

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that is a worry. So yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 2: and you're right that they have to develop the depth

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Speaker 2: you know, they aren't you know, within touching distance of

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Speaker 2: in this you know four four four depth program that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's important to put some context around

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Speaker 3: I thought he was a real physically dominant performance that

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Speaker 3: no real major discipline issues either, which has been a

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Speaker 3: Blacks will likely go back to Tupouvai. But I really

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Speaker 3: liked what we saw from some of Penny Fino and

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Speaker 3: that six jersey, and for me, I think that jersey

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Speaker 2: Contestable. Absolutely, You're right, though I think we saw not

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Speaker 2: one of those players that did take that opportunity. If

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Speaker 3: But he is a very self assured twenty four year olds.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well what's the answer at second five? If you

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Speaker 2: first and foremost that don't underest them at a French

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I think we don't see a lot of the top

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Speaker 3: one lesson. Yea. And they went out to Argentina last year,

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Speaker 3: But look, let me ask you this, would the All

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Speaker 2: Hard to know? Hard to know? I mean they pushed

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Speaker 3: Who is your best player over the course of the

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Speaker 3: he sets the bar Ardie Severe was very good. I

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Speaker 3: advised I think left foot ship kick off the line

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Speaker 3: Probably Fabian Holland comes in, yeah, having not played him,

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Speaker 2: Not longer for Walls didn't it because he only got

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Speaker 2: Argentina test came in for Savrigal didn't play off in

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Speaker 3: That's right. But once he was in, he was in,

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Speaker 2: Group Holland is the obvious one, given he played three

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if the other ones. The other

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Speaker 3: They've got to come in and take in all this information.

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Speaker 3: Their flowing phone's blowing up. It's very emotional time you

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Speaker 2: rugby this year. It's just so much harder. Your timing's

431
00:23:15,733 --> 00:23:17,733
Speaker 2: got to be perfect, you've got to be right on

432
00:23:17,813 --> 00:23:21,173
Speaker 2: that ball, and sort on Super rugby there was a

433
00:23:21,213 --> 00:23:24,373
Speaker 2: lot of reward for players on the ball from the opposition.

434
00:23:24,933 --> 00:23:26,933
Speaker 2: Don't get that as much in Test rugby at the moment.

435
00:23:27,413 --> 00:23:30,693
Speaker 3: No, that's right, just on that four four four scenarios

436
00:23:30,733 --> 00:23:35,213
Speaker 3: worth noting. I think sixteen rookies under Scott Robertson since

437
00:23:35,853 --> 00:23:38,693
Speaker 3: he took over last year, and you're always going to

438
00:23:38,773 --> 00:23:40,933
Speaker 3: get that to a degree post World Cup cycle when

439
00:23:41,013 --> 00:23:44,853
Speaker 3: you have a lot of veterans moving on. But I

440
00:23:44,933 --> 00:23:49,293
Speaker 3: think ten last year six this year, that's going to

441
00:23:49,453 --> 00:23:54,413
Speaker 3: decrease and it's going to carry on that theme as

442
00:23:54,493 --> 00:23:57,693
Speaker 3: you get closer to the World Cup. Sixteen is quite

443
00:23:57,733 --> 00:24:00,813
Speaker 3: a lot. I think some have taken their chances, some haven't,

444
00:24:00,893 --> 00:24:05,133
Speaker 3: But there's a clear plan there isn't there to develop

445
00:24:05,173 --> 00:24:07,853
Speaker 3: that debt, to bring through new talents to build for

446
00:24:08,053 --> 00:24:10,653
Speaker 3: deep So you can go to those players and they

447
00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:13,173
Speaker 3: have had that experience at test rugby, they're not going

448
00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:16,933
Speaker 3: to be having their first weeks coming into a major

449
00:24:17,013 --> 00:24:17,773
Speaker 3: majors test match.

450
00:24:17,973 --> 00:24:20,893
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's probably an area where the All

451
00:24:20,933 --> 00:24:23,293
Speaker 2: Blacks didn't quite develop in the last World Cup cycle.

452
00:24:23,333 --> 00:24:25,853
Speaker 2: They can blame COVID or whatever it might be around

453
00:24:25,893 --> 00:24:28,693
Speaker 2: that and some of the opportunities they didn't have, but

454
00:24:29,533 --> 00:24:32,653
Speaker 2: you they probably didn't quite get their bench right at

455
00:24:32,693 --> 00:24:36,733
Speaker 2: times during that last cycle and some of that depth. Hopefully,

456
00:24:37,013 --> 00:24:38,933
Speaker 2: you know, some of these moves of the next couple

457
00:24:38,973 --> 00:24:40,013
Speaker 2: of years can confix that.

458
00:24:40,293 --> 00:24:42,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably missed a bit of a trick last year.

459
00:24:42,013 --> 00:24:45,853
Speaker 3: While there's ten rookies, they definitely missed opportunities such as

460
00:24:46,573 --> 00:24:48,853
Speaker 3: the Italy game to bring through players to give them

461
00:24:48,893 --> 00:24:51,013
Speaker 3: that exposure. So I'm not going to sit here and

462
00:24:51,093 --> 00:24:53,533
Speaker 3: knock what they did in Hamilton. While the performance wasn't there,

463
00:24:53,893 --> 00:24:57,573
Speaker 3: that was the right game to try and promote fringe

464
00:24:57,613 --> 00:24:59,173
Speaker 3: prospects and give them that exposure.

465
00:24:59,253 --> 00:25:01,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Robertson said pretty much that they

466
00:25:01,693 --> 00:25:03,133
Speaker 2: should have done that last year. Bit of a mere

467
00:25:03,173 --> 00:25:04,973
Speaker 2: culpa that they didn't quite get that right in the

468
00:25:05,053 --> 00:25:07,493
Speaker 2: Italy Week last year and they had some bad bodies

469
00:25:07,733 --> 00:25:10,573
Speaker 2: by the end of it. Give us a grade from

470
00:25:10,573 --> 00:25:12,773
Speaker 2: the series before we taught the Rugby Championship out of team.

471
00:25:15,973 --> 00:25:18,373
Speaker 3: I'm going to go six because I think the All

472
00:25:18,373 --> 00:25:22,613
Speaker 3: Black's only got their performance to the expected standard once

473
00:25:22,893 --> 00:25:27,813
Speaker 3: one from three and it's that context of being a

474
00:25:27,893 --> 00:25:30,453
Speaker 3: second string French team. Yes, they have talent and depth,

475
00:25:31,133 --> 00:25:34,853
Speaker 3: but I think given the nature of the opposition while

476
00:25:34,893 --> 00:25:37,133
Speaker 3: the All Blacks are starting the year, I expected more

477
00:25:37,893 --> 00:25:41,053
Speaker 3: and the performance in Wellington showed the level that they

478
00:25:41,133 --> 00:25:43,453
Speaker 3: can get to and they only got there once.

479
00:25:43,973 --> 00:25:48,013
Speaker 2: I'm going to go seven. Slightly friendly marketing the standards

480
00:25:50,493 --> 00:25:53,373
Speaker 2: Rugby Championship squad. It is going to be named the

481
00:25:53,573 --> 00:25:56,213
Speaker 2: fourth of August, which is a Monday. We've heard that

482
00:25:56,293 --> 00:25:57,933
Speaker 2: a lot of the players, or at least some of

483
00:25:57,933 --> 00:25:59,573
Speaker 2: the players are going to play a bit of NPC

484
00:25:59,773 --> 00:26:02,653
Speaker 2: that opening round which preceeds the All Black squad naming,

485
00:26:03,453 --> 00:26:05,933
Speaker 2: So a good opportunity for some players there to get

486
00:26:06,013 --> 00:26:09,533
Speaker 2: some minutes under their belt, maybe make some returns from injuries.

487
00:26:10,213 --> 00:26:12,533
Speaker 2: Thirty six Strong Square be named for the Rugby Championship. Now,

488
00:26:12,533 --> 00:26:14,373
Speaker 2: there's been a few commings and goings in terms of

489
00:26:14,453 --> 00:26:17,173
Speaker 2: injuries into that all back squad over the course of

490
00:26:17,373 --> 00:26:20,813
Speaker 2: the last three weeks, with players injured and moving in

491
00:26:21,053 --> 00:26:23,133
Speaker 2: and out. But where do you see the Rugby Championship

492
00:26:23,173 --> 00:26:26,213
Speaker 2: squad going to and what are the fixes that needed

493
00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:27,973
Speaker 2: by Scott Robinson and co.

494
00:26:29,893 --> 00:26:33,813
Speaker 3: It's very much injury to excuse me, injury dependent, isn't it?

495
00:26:35,933 --> 00:26:39,213
Speaker 3: If we run through them. Boden Barrett fractured to the

496
00:26:39,253 --> 00:26:41,733
Speaker 3: same hand that he did for the Blues and Super

497
00:26:41,773 --> 00:26:45,453
Speaker 3: Rugby that sidelined him for a month. So all expectations

498
00:26:45,493 --> 00:26:47,693
Speaker 3: are he will be on the plane to Argentina and

499
00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:50,733
Speaker 3: should be available for that first test. That's why they

500
00:26:50,853 --> 00:26:54,093
Speaker 3: pulled on from the bench. In Hamilton, people were not

501
00:26:54,253 --> 00:26:58,133
Speaker 3: so sure about Mighty Williams Wallace A teas sounds like

502
00:26:58,173 --> 00:27:01,013
Speaker 3: he's on track, but don't know when he'll be in

503
00:27:01,093 --> 00:27:04,133
Speaker 3: that Rugby Championship squad when he's available. Not too sure,

504
00:27:04,293 --> 00:27:07,653
Speaker 3: same with us are for armor. Peter Luckey is coming

505
00:27:07,693 --> 00:27:11,253
Speaker 3: back from injury. Caleb Clark sideline for up to two

506
00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:18,453
Speaker 3: months waiting one updates from Noah Hotham and Tyro Lomax.

507
00:27:18,613 --> 00:27:22,973
Speaker 3: Lomax needs an X ray on his thumb, so some

508
00:27:23,173 --> 00:27:26,013
Speaker 3: big ins and outs there. Scott Barrett's coming back will

509
00:27:26,053 --> 00:27:28,813
Speaker 3: be available for Argentina. What we do know is the

510
00:27:28,813 --> 00:27:32,413
Speaker 3: Eel Blacks will need at least another winger because Caleb

511
00:27:32,493 --> 00:27:35,053
Speaker 3: Clark won't be there and they were extremely light and

512
00:27:35,213 --> 00:27:39,213
Speaker 3: found wanting exposed with their squad selection I think, and

513
00:27:39,293 --> 00:27:41,933
Speaker 3: the nature of it by going to light in the wingers,

514
00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:46,373
Speaker 3: too light with the loose forwards and carrying too many midfielders.

515
00:27:46,453 --> 00:27:51,093
Speaker 3: So you're looking at guys like Ammonia and Nadawa potentially

516
00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:53,813
Speaker 3: coming into that squad. But the All Blacks didn't have

517
00:27:53,813 --> 00:27:55,533
Speaker 3: a lot of faith in him, did They only really

518
00:27:55,573 --> 00:27:58,133
Speaker 3: played him when they had to, and Wellington then went

519
00:27:58,133 --> 00:28:02,213
Speaker 3: away from him. So do they look outside the squad

520
00:28:02,213 --> 00:28:04,853
Speaker 3: at a Leroy Carter or a Schaffee Harckey perhaps yep,

521
00:28:06,013 --> 00:28:11,093
Speaker 3: And then I think you Luke Jacobson is another one.

522
00:28:11,253 --> 00:28:13,573
Speaker 3: You wouldn't think it's a major long term injury, but

523
00:28:13,933 --> 00:28:18,653
Speaker 3: I think you need additional loose forwards and outside backs.

524
00:28:19,693 --> 00:28:23,573
Speaker 2: Yep. Simon Parker is a question mark for me if

525
00:28:23,613 --> 00:28:27,253
Speaker 2: he's fit now. He was out through injury, wasn't considered

526
00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:29,973
Speaker 2: through injury. He's the kind of body that we talked

527
00:28:29,973 --> 00:28:31,453
Speaker 2: about a bit earlier on that the All Blacks may

528
00:28:31,493 --> 00:28:33,253
Speaker 2: be lacking size, or at least that's what some of

529
00:28:33,293 --> 00:28:35,733
Speaker 2: the fans on your herol Q and A was sugescing size.

530
00:28:36,133 --> 00:28:38,813
Speaker 2: I agree, and Simon Parker is that bigger body that

531
00:28:38,893 --> 00:28:41,133
Speaker 2: maybe the All Blacks do need in their pack or

532
00:28:41,733 --> 00:28:45,613
Speaker 2: is worthy of having a look at for the Rugby Championship.

533
00:28:45,973 --> 00:28:48,013
Speaker 2: Ethan Blackett it could be another one that comes back

534
00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:52,573
Speaker 2: in maybe, although they moved away from him a little bit.

535
00:28:52,813 --> 00:28:55,653
Speaker 2: Peter Lukeye if he's fit, so there's a few interesting

536
00:28:55,773 --> 00:28:59,613
Speaker 2: questions there. If No Hotham isn't available, who is jumping

537
00:28:59,653 --> 00:29:02,173
Speaker 2: on the plane as the third half pack we touched on.

538
00:29:02,413 --> 00:29:07,653
Speaker 2: I guess depth at first five and hooker and wing

539
00:29:07,853 --> 00:29:12,493
Speaker 2: is a real touch point. But that's another one, isn't it.

540
00:29:12,773 --> 00:29:16,573
Speaker 3: You're looking you're reaching towards guys like from La Christy

541
00:29:16,693 --> 00:29:24,413
Speaker 3: probably because unless you're going to promote Kyle Preston, who

542
00:29:24,533 --> 00:29:26,813
Speaker 3: does bring a point of difference and that he kicks

543
00:29:26,853 --> 00:29:30,213
Speaker 3: off both feet and played very well when he did

544
00:29:30,253 --> 00:29:33,893
Speaker 3: play for the Crusaders this year. But I just feel

545
00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:36,453
Speaker 3: like the All Blacks are probably reluctant to bring in

546
00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:39,413
Speaker 3: another rookie at half back, and they will probably like

547
00:29:39,533 --> 00:29:42,733
Speaker 3: the idea like they did last year, of having a

548
00:29:42,813 --> 00:29:46,093
Speaker 3: more experienced type figure. That's why they selected t. J.

549
00:29:46,213 --> 00:29:51,173
Speaker 3: Petnara from La Christy has been there. I would go Preston,

550
00:29:51,733 --> 00:29:54,733
Speaker 3: but I think they will lean towards a Christie type character.

551
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:56,973
Speaker 2: They kind of know what they're getting from Christy, and

552
00:29:57,253 --> 00:30:00,653
Speaker 2: if you're talking about this four four four concept, then

553
00:30:01,733 --> 00:30:04,853
Speaker 2: to me, developing another player that could be there in

554
00:30:04,933 --> 00:30:09,293
Speaker 2: twenty seven is probably the more logical option for me.

555
00:30:09,893 --> 00:30:12,013
Speaker 2: I get why they would go back to Christy, but

556
00:30:12,133 --> 00:30:14,693
Speaker 2: I'll be looking similar to you at Kyle Preston or

557
00:30:15,053 --> 00:30:16,853
Speaker 2: potentially told for Funachi.

558
00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,773
Speaker 3: Was another one, yeah, of all the players in that

559
00:30:21,253 --> 00:30:23,533
Speaker 3: ends that game, I thought he actually had quite a

560
00:30:23,653 --> 00:30:25,853
Speaker 3: lively impact and he brings a point of difference of

561
00:30:25,973 --> 00:30:28,693
Speaker 3: his sniping is passing around the fringes. But he just

562
00:30:28,773 --> 00:30:30,853
Speaker 3: hasn't been on the radar at all under Robertson, and

563
00:30:30,893 --> 00:30:33,893
Speaker 3: he hasn't kicked on from where he was three years ago.

564
00:30:33,973 --> 00:30:37,613
Speaker 3: I mean he's eligible for Tonga later this year. That's

565
00:30:37,613 --> 00:30:39,613
Speaker 3: how long his gap between international appearance has been. It

566
00:30:39,653 --> 00:30:42,373
Speaker 3: felt luck he was really coming up in that twenty

567
00:30:42,413 --> 00:30:46,973
Speaker 3: two season and his plateau big time. And whether they

568
00:30:47,093 --> 00:30:48,773
Speaker 3: go back to the world there is an interesting question,

569
00:30:49,173 --> 00:30:51,893
Speaker 3: as you say, Bigg's port of a difference, but I'm

570
00:30:51,933 --> 00:30:53,533
Speaker 3: not sure whether that's what the All Blacks are after

571
00:30:54,213 --> 00:30:56,893
Speaker 3: Les defining and Looki's another one. He's back home. He

572
00:30:57,893 --> 00:31:01,093
Speaker 3: will play for Tasman in the NPC, and there was

573
00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:04,333
Speaker 3: a story from Paul Cully in the Post a few

574
00:31:04,413 --> 00:31:07,813
Speaker 3: weeks maybe even a month back, that suggested that he

575
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:12,093
Speaker 3: will not actually be available or selected until the Northern Tour,

576
00:31:12,733 --> 00:31:15,133
Speaker 3: So that kind of makes sense and that he I

577
00:31:15,253 --> 00:31:18,493
Speaker 3: do like players having to come back and play in

578
00:31:18,533 --> 00:31:20,573
Speaker 3: New Zealand rather than walk straight back into the All

579
00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:23,453
Speaker 3: Black team. But you do wonder if it was a

580
00:31:23,573 --> 00:31:25,213
Speaker 3: Richie Mulong or whether he'd be made to do that.

581
00:31:25,653 --> 00:31:30,613
Speaker 2: I suspect fining a look who probably wan Look. We

582
00:31:30,773 --> 00:31:33,173
Speaker 2: talked about him and some of the question marks at center.

583
00:31:33,213 --> 00:31:35,013
Speaker 2: He's played a lot of center for Toulon in the

584
00:31:35,253 --> 00:31:38,013
Speaker 2: last couple of years. Maybe he is a long too

585
00:31:38,053 --> 00:31:39,933
Speaker 2: answer at center, but the All Black also have problems

586
00:31:39,933 --> 00:31:41,973
Speaker 2: on the wings at the moment, so I mean he

587
00:31:42,013 --> 00:31:44,373
Speaker 2: can play multiple positions. That's one of the very, very

588
00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:47,253
Speaker 2: good things about him. So it wouldn't surprise me if

589
00:31:47,293 --> 00:31:49,373
Speaker 2: he's back and soon that rather than later, especially with

590
00:31:49,413 --> 00:31:51,573
Speaker 2: the injuries to Caleb Clark, they could massage it a

591
00:31:51,573 --> 00:31:53,133
Speaker 2: little bit. Go oh, you played, you won two games

592
00:31:53,173 --> 00:31:54,133
Speaker 2: of Tasman, come back in.

593
00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:57,453
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if they got another injury, it would

594
00:31:57,493 --> 00:32:01,013
Speaker 3: not be surprised to see him fast checked. For me,

595
00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:02,693
Speaker 3: I don't know if he is a long term answer

596
00:32:02,693 --> 00:32:04,973
Speaker 3: at center, while he did play a lot there for Toulon,

597
00:32:05,053 --> 00:32:08,853
Speaker 3: because as I mentioned before, that just that complimentary combination

598
00:32:09,013 --> 00:32:11,853
Speaker 3: that you ideally like in the midfield. And I don't

599
00:32:11,893 --> 00:32:14,653
Speaker 3: know if Leicester is the guy that will be making

600
00:32:14,693 --> 00:32:18,293
Speaker 3: those outsides look good putting them away. But what an

601
00:32:18,333 --> 00:32:20,573
Speaker 3: asset potentially to have on the bench to bring on

602
00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:27,413
Speaker 3: late like he's he's a similar prototype to a degree

603
00:32:27,453 --> 00:32:30,413
Speaker 3: to a tother tough nahwa Isn't he a big body? Destructive?

604
00:32:30,933 --> 00:32:34,013
Speaker 3: Can play as you mentioned wing and center. Yeah, I

605
00:32:34,093 --> 00:32:37,933
Speaker 3: think he's a great asset and Razor does like big bodies,

606
00:32:38,013 --> 00:32:39,693
Speaker 3: whether it's on the wing or in the midfield.

607
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,933
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, that'll do us the first half of Rugby Direct.

608
00:32:42,973 --> 00:32:45,773
Speaker 2: Back with our final four after the scurtsy of our

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Speaker 2: friends that Access solutions.

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Speaker 2: You're back with Rugby Direct. Time now for the final four.

614
00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:13,653
Speaker 2: And look, we've talked about it previously on the podcast,

615
00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:16,493
Speaker 2: but it's time to talk about R three sixty again.

616
00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:20,173
Speaker 2: Is this actually going to happen? There's a lot of

617
00:33:20,213 --> 00:33:23,133
Speaker 2: chatte last week that Roger to I Vasa Shek have

618
00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:26,253
Speaker 2: signed him, or at least have approached him and thrown

619
00:33:26,333 --> 00:33:31,333
Speaker 2: something at him in terms of an offer. Obviously, the

620
00:33:31,373 --> 00:33:34,573
Speaker 2: story's been out there. What's your take on this, limb.

621
00:33:36,173 --> 00:33:38,253
Speaker 3: I think it will happen. There does seem to be

622
00:33:39,253 --> 00:33:43,853
Speaker 3: growing momentum behind it, but I don't know if it's

623
00:33:43,893 --> 00:33:48,853
Speaker 3: a major threat. I think it's telling that they're targeting

624
00:33:48,973 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 3: league guys as their marquee signings and Roger to Varsa

625
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:57,373
Speaker 3: Shek is likely to be. I think it's he's kind

626
00:33:57,373 --> 00:33:59,653
Speaker 3: of to the Warriors until the end of twenty twenty six.

627
00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:04,133
Speaker 3: He Yeah, he made the All Blacks, but he wasn't

628
00:34:04,173 --> 00:34:07,293
Speaker 3: a raving success story in rugby union, and I think

629
00:34:07,373 --> 00:34:09,293
Speaker 3: that's the type of guy that they're going to be targeting,

630
00:34:09,373 --> 00:34:12,453
Speaker 3: because any player that goes to R three sixty should

631
00:34:12,453 --> 00:34:13,853
Speaker 3: it get off the ground is not going to be

632
00:34:13,853 --> 00:34:16,813
Speaker 3: able to play Test rugby at this stage, So that

633
00:34:16,973 --> 00:34:20,093
Speaker 3: rules out all the best players in the world. You

634
00:34:20,213 --> 00:34:22,173
Speaker 3: may get someone towards the end of their career go

635
00:34:22,293 --> 00:34:25,613
Speaker 3: and cash out, or somebody on the fringe of Test rugby,

636
00:34:26,453 --> 00:34:31,693
Speaker 3: maybe Hoskins Tutu type character that you can sell to

637
00:34:31,813 --> 00:34:36,373
Speaker 3: the masses. But yeah, just the concept of forming franchises

638
00:34:36,493 --> 00:34:40,053
Speaker 3: and traveling around the world, I do see it struggling

639
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:42,653
Speaker 3: to get off the ground. So for me, it's not

640
00:34:42,733 --> 00:34:44,973
Speaker 3: a surprise that that's starting to target league guys, and

641
00:34:45,053 --> 00:34:47,533
Speaker 3: that's where a lot of the nervousness is coming from.

642
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:52,413
Speaker 3: Rugby League. Doesn't seem like the established Test Nations and

643
00:34:52,493 --> 00:34:55,893
Speaker 3: Rugby are really looking over their shoulder at this at

644
00:34:55,933 --> 00:34:56,413
Speaker 3: the stage.

645
00:34:56,533 --> 00:34:58,333
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, and it feels like rugby league a

646
00:34:58,373 --> 00:35:01,653
Speaker 2: panicing a little bit because they don't really have an

647
00:35:01,693 --> 00:35:04,253
Speaker 2: equivalent of this. You know, Rugby and New Zealand has

648
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:08,173
Speaker 2: had to deal with France and Japan in recent years,

649
00:35:08,693 --> 00:35:10,813
Speaker 2: you know, putting big money in front of a lot

650
00:35:10,853 --> 00:35:13,933
Speaker 2: of players in rugby league. Now the Super League is

651
00:35:13,973 --> 00:35:17,053
Speaker 2: a two bit competition that basically isn't what it was

652
00:35:17,173 --> 00:35:19,893
Speaker 2: twenty thirty years ago where players would go over and

653
00:35:20,013 --> 00:35:22,453
Speaker 2: be given big money. There's just not enough money in

654
00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:25,093
Speaker 2: that competition now, all behind rugby league in England or

655
00:35:25,093 --> 00:35:27,053
Speaker 2: the UKs to do that. This players at the end

656
00:35:27,053 --> 00:35:29,853
Speaker 2: their career might still go but it's very much not

657
00:35:29,933 --> 00:35:31,613
Speaker 2: what it was in terms of some of those players

658
00:35:31,653 --> 00:35:34,653
Speaker 2: going over. So the Narrael hasn't had to deal with it.

659
00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:37,493
Speaker 2: They seem like they're a bit panicky over it. But look,

660
00:35:37,573 --> 00:35:39,933
Speaker 2: if you are three sixty and your marquee signing at

661
00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:42,413
Speaker 2: this point is robbed the Twi Vasishek playing union where

662
00:35:42,453 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 2: we saw that two or three years ago and didn't work.

663
00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:48,533
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure where the interest levels will come from,

664
00:35:48,893 --> 00:35:51,053
Speaker 2: where the money's coming from. Obviously a lot of talk

665
00:35:51,093 --> 00:35:54,453
Speaker 2: about the Saudis, but they haven't officially confirmed that they're involved.

666
00:35:56,013 --> 00:35:58,333
Speaker 2: Not sure I'd trust something that was involved like Tindall

667
00:35:58,333 --> 00:36:02,133
Speaker 2: as far as I could throw it. That's yeah, all

668
00:36:02,213 --> 00:36:03,333
Speaker 2: of it feels rather off to me.

669
00:36:04,093 --> 00:36:06,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a lot of substance there at this point.

670
00:36:06,493 --> 00:36:11,373
Speaker 3: But look, if the substance comes in terms of the

671
00:36:11,453 --> 00:36:14,893
Speaker 3: one million dollar offer that they're talking about for Roger

672
00:36:14,933 --> 00:36:17,573
Speaker 3: to of Arsisk, if those sort of offers are on

673
00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:22,333
Speaker 3: the table for more players, it could potentially hurt competitions

674
00:36:22,453 --> 00:36:28,013
Speaker 3: like Super Rugby and not maybe the top fourteen or

675
00:36:29,333 --> 00:36:32,133
Speaker 3: you know, the English Premiership. That's where it could have

676
00:36:32,253 --> 00:36:36,053
Speaker 3: an impact if those sort of offers are consistent. But

677
00:36:36,213 --> 00:36:40,173
Speaker 3: there's still major question marks about the substance behind this.

678
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:43,293
Speaker 2: The one area where it could have an effect in

679
00:36:43,413 --> 00:36:46,773
Speaker 2: a good way, I think if there is some Saudi

680
00:36:46,853 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 2: influence here and they're looking to provide a product that

681
00:36:53,293 --> 00:36:55,613
Speaker 2: is entertaining in terms of R three sixty is putting

682
00:36:55,613 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 2: a little bit pressure on world rugby around some of

683
00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:01,413
Speaker 2: the rules in the sport and cleaning up some of that.

684
00:37:01,613 --> 00:37:03,133
Speaker 2: And if they're going to go, we're going to be

685
00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:06,173
Speaker 2: we're going to make tries seven points, We're going to

686
00:37:06,173 --> 00:37:10,133
Speaker 2: promote attacking rugby we're going to minimize the stoppages. You

687
00:37:10,213 --> 00:37:13,693
Speaker 2: can't take shots. Whatever it might be that could drive change.

688
00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:15,893
Speaker 2: Now some of it might seem gimmicky, but if they're

689
00:37:15,893 --> 00:37:18,373
Speaker 2: willing to drive, because their focus will be entertainment product.

690
00:37:18,413 --> 00:37:20,693
Speaker 2: Now they've got the sad he's got to live and

691
00:37:21,493 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 2: none watchers live. It's two men their dog watching it

692
00:37:24,213 --> 00:37:26,653
Speaker 2: on TV. They get crowds at the courses occasionally, but

693
00:37:26,693 --> 00:37:29,573
Speaker 2: their focus is on the entertainment product from the start

694
00:37:29,653 --> 00:37:32,413
Speaker 2: to the finish. You can't tell me that test rapy

695
00:37:32,453 --> 00:37:33,813
Speaker 2: in the way that is being played at the moment

696
00:37:33,933 --> 00:37:38,213
Speaker 2: is promoting an attacking product versus a law guided product.

697
00:37:38,293 --> 00:37:40,853
Speaker 2: So that's where maybe they might be able to cut

698
00:37:40,893 --> 00:37:42,493
Speaker 2: through some of the bullshit that's currently going on in

699
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:43,613
Speaker 2: World and Wild Rugby.

700
00:37:43,773 --> 00:37:47,733
Speaker 3: That's right saying hey, this is you know, if the

701
00:37:47,773 --> 00:37:51,013
Speaker 3: fans start agitating for a change that they've seen somewhere else,

702
00:37:51,213 --> 00:37:54,093
Speaker 3: well it's going to be pretty hard to dismiss that.

703
00:37:54,253 --> 00:37:57,053
Speaker 3: And there's a similar sort of concept brewing around the

704
00:37:57,133 --> 00:38:01,293
Speaker 3: Sevens and franchise Sevens and what they are actually looking

705
00:38:01,333 --> 00:38:04,093
Speaker 3: at compared to what's been done globally for years in

706
00:38:04,213 --> 00:38:06,733
Speaker 3: terms of a three day event they're talking about staging

707
00:38:06,773 --> 00:38:09,933
Speaker 3: it all on one day, having straight knockouts from the

708
00:38:09,973 --> 00:38:13,373
Speaker 3: outset different sort of rules around it as well. So

709
00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:16,933
Speaker 3: from a as you say it like an agitation perspective

710
00:38:16,973 --> 00:38:21,813
Speaker 3: to drive meaningful change. From as a better product, it

711
00:38:21,893 --> 00:38:24,253
Speaker 3: could have a place, but who knows whether it actually

712
00:38:24,253 --> 00:38:24,933
Speaker 3: gets off the ground.

713
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:27,133
Speaker 2: We shall see topic number two of the Fist Lions

714
00:38:27,213 --> 00:38:30,893
Speaker 2: test in the books, and that was comfortably won by

715
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:33,293
Speaker 2: the Lions. Maybe not on the school board, but certainly

716
00:38:33,973 --> 00:38:36,253
Speaker 2: in terms of the way they went about their business,

717
00:38:36,293 --> 00:38:38,053
Speaker 2: maybe apart from the last twenty twenty five minutes when

718
00:38:38,053 --> 00:38:43,373
Speaker 2: it got a bit hairy. I questioned last week whether

719
00:38:43,413 --> 00:38:45,613
Speaker 2: this was the worst lines to ever. Still haven't seen

720
00:38:45,653 --> 00:38:48,973
Speaker 2: evidence against that. There's the Pacivica Island team playing the

721
00:38:49,053 --> 00:38:52,693
Speaker 2: lines tonight, but pretty much got what we expected on

722
00:38:52,773 --> 00:38:54,853
Speaker 2: Saturday night. The lines are too good. The world has

723
00:38:54,853 --> 00:38:56,253
Speaker 2: been good enough. Yours please.

724
00:38:56,573 --> 00:39:01,413
Speaker 3: In basically every aspect wasn't it physicality at the breakdown,

725
00:39:02,213 --> 00:39:07,813
Speaker 3: pace ball skills, The lines were up something like twenty

726
00:39:07,893 --> 00:39:11,573
Speaker 3: four and the game's done. The Wallabies come back and

727
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:14,653
Speaker 3: score a couple of late tries to put some respectability

728
00:39:14,693 --> 00:39:18,093
Speaker 3: in the scoreboard, but it wasn't really a contest, and

729
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:22,253
Speaker 3: that's the first test. I'd expect the Lions to get better.

730
00:39:23,133 --> 00:39:25,253
Speaker 3: I'd be making some changes for the Wallaby straight off

731
00:39:25,293 --> 00:39:28,573
Speaker 3: the bat. Angus Bell, Tate McDermott Andrew Callaway, I think

732
00:39:28,973 --> 00:39:32,413
Speaker 3: I'd all be bringing them in to start. But it

733
00:39:32,533 --> 00:39:35,653
Speaker 3: really was a lightweight Wallaby's team on paper. Saw that

734
00:39:36,413 --> 00:39:38,453
Speaker 3: in the lead up to that game and just didn't

735
00:39:38,493 --> 00:39:40,493
Speaker 3: give them a show of winning that test based on

736
00:39:40,573 --> 00:39:43,693
Speaker 3: who was on paper. No Rob Valentini, no will skelt him.

737
00:39:43,973 --> 00:39:48,013
Speaker 3: A real lack of size in that pack, and it's

738
00:39:48,173 --> 00:39:52,293
Speaker 3: just really hard to see where the Wallabies can better

739
00:39:52,613 --> 00:39:53,333
Speaker 3: that Lion's team.

740
00:39:53,493 --> 00:39:55,333
Speaker 2: Nick Champions de Crapp and I thought was actually pretty

741
00:39:55,373 --> 00:39:58,893
Speaker 2: handy at blindside, but it didn't miss Valentini. To be honest,

742
00:39:59,253 --> 00:40:02,293
Speaker 2: I'm putting James o connor in at ten this week.

743
00:40:02,453 --> 00:40:04,813
Speaker 2: There's a must win for Joe Schmidt. You've got to

744
00:40:04,973 --> 00:40:07,453
Speaker 2: throw all those players you mentioned in there your hope

745
00:40:07,493 --> 00:40:09,093
Speaker 2: like hell, that Rob val team, he's ready to go,

746
00:40:09,253 --> 00:40:11,373
Speaker 2: and I'm putting James O'Connor in a ten. You can't

747
00:40:11,493 --> 00:40:14,853
Speaker 2: you go and develop Ben Donaldson or Tomliner or whoever

748
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:16,893
Speaker 2: it is. James O'Connor has been there and done that

749
00:40:16,933 --> 00:40:20,573
Speaker 2: at Tesla before. I'm going to Connor this week at ten.

750
00:40:21,533 --> 00:40:25,093
Speaker 3: I don't mind that British Norrish Lions series is not

751
00:40:25,293 --> 00:40:28,373
Speaker 3: a time to throw in a rookie ten. And yeah,

752
00:40:28,653 --> 00:40:33,373
Speaker 3: Australia don't have great options there and I've been hurt

753
00:40:33,413 --> 00:40:36,453
Speaker 3: by injuries and had to change their plans, but it

754
00:40:36,693 --> 00:40:41,373
Speaker 3: was very evident that that was you know, Tomliner's introduction

755
00:40:41,493 --> 00:40:44,613
Speaker 3: to Test rugby did some good things, but he looked

756
00:40:44,933 --> 00:40:48,373
Speaker 3: rattled at times as well, and it's such a pivotal position.

757
00:40:48,613 --> 00:40:54,053
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think everyone probably the longer this tour

758
00:40:54,173 --> 00:40:58,533
Speaker 3: went on, the more everyone's expected three nil and I

759
00:40:58,613 --> 00:41:01,573
Speaker 3: think the more interest is going to be sucked out

760
00:41:01,613 --> 00:41:04,933
Speaker 3: of it unless the Wallabies can pull a massive upset

761
00:41:04,973 --> 00:41:06,493
Speaker 3: off this week top.

762
00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:08,813
Speaker 2: Of number three Johnny Gibbs, then you Chiefs coach. This

763
00:41:08,893 --> 00:41:11,733
Speaker 2: is from a no surprise file. Everyone expected it from

764
00:41:11,733 --> 00:41:13,853
Speaker 2: the moment Claim Willan was announced that he's going to Munster.

765
00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:17,173
Speaker 2: A good appointment I think for the Chiefs. Bit of

766
00:41:17,213 --> 00:41:22,133
Speaker 2: continuity reigns to be seen whether they can get away

767
00:41:22,133 --> 00:41:24,653
Speaker 2: from that bride'smaid tag that has followed them around for

768
00:41:24,693 --> 00:41:26,653
Speaker 2: a few seasons. Now maybe Gibbs is the kind of

769
00:41:26,693 --> 00:41:28,293
Speaker 2: coach that can push and beyond.

770
00:41:28,133 --> 00:41:31,573
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, potentially. I think Jerry's probably out on Johno

771
00:41:31,653 --> 00:41:34,933
Speaker 3: as a head coach. He's been very good when he's

772
00:41:35,013 --> 00:41:39,453
Speaker 3: been Ford's coaches, but he was which is not uncommon.

773
00:41:39,773 --> 00:41:42,813
Speaker 3: Sent packing from his last gig in France. It's pretty

774
00:41:42,893 --> 00:41:48,933
Speaker 3: ruthless industry up there, with their club owners demanding certain things.

775
00:41:48,973 --> 00:41:50,773
Speaker 3: If they don't get them, they'll they'll pull the trigger.

776
00:41:51,373 --> 00:41:53,333
Speaker 3: So I think it will be a challenge for him

777
00:41:53,373 --> 00:41:57,973
Speaker 3: stepping up from assistant to head coach. And the Chiefs,

778
00:41:58,893 --> 00:42:01,333
Speaker 3: while for a lack of titles, have been very good

779
00:42:02,133 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 3: in their consistency. So a big challenge for him. But look,

780
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:09,333
Speaker 3: that's squad, the rosters very stable. Will he had the

781
00:42:09,413 --> 00:42:13,733
Speaker 3: benefit of being there so continuity will help. And yeah,

782
00:42:13,813 --> 00:42:16,933
Speaker 3: interesting to see if he can get something more from them.

783
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:19,533
Speaker 2: You've mentioned before, you know, the Crusaders not looking outside

784
00:42:19,573 --> 00:42:20,013
Speaker 2: their region.

785
00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:24,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, well the Chiefs if it doesn't go well, they

786
00:42:24,213 --> 00:42:26,053
Speaker 3: could be guilty of that as well. I don't know

787
00:42:26,253 --> 00:42:28,613
Speaker 3: did they advertise it. It doesn't really seem like they did.

788
00:42:28,693 --> 00:42:30,973
Speaker 2: I don't think they did. I might be wrong. Simon

789
00:42:31,013 --> 00:42:32,973
Speaker 2: Grafis is listening. You can correct us on that, but.

790
00:42:33,613 --> 00:42:37,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, they obviously identified very early that they had what

791
00:42:37,773 --> 00:42:41,813
Speaker 3: they felt to be strong internal candidates. I think Roger

792
00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:47,213
Speaker 3: Randall and who's the Canterbury Muddy Book. Yeah, he was

793
00:42:47,293 --> 00:42:50,013
Speaker 3: involved with the Chiefs, so I think they would have

794
00:42:50,373 --> 00:42:53,093
Speaker 3: interviewed or spoke to those and obviously gone with John O.

795
00:42:53,213 --> 00:42:57,853
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think in any job you should throw

796
00:42:57,893 --> 00:43:01,453
Speaker 3: it open and see who's out there. Wales have finally

797
00:43:01,533 --> 00:43:04,853
Speaker 3: made they're appointed their coach Steve Tandy with.

798
00:43:05,093 --> 00:43:07,373
Speaker 2: I thought he was there replaceable for a moment. Galls,

799
00:43:07,413 --> 00:43:08,973
Speaker 2: they're replaceable. Gatlin.

800
00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 3: Have they pulled down the gate yet?

801
00:43:10,613 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 2: Oh well maybe you could pull it down when we

802
00:43:12,853 --> 00:43:17,173
Speaker 2: get there in November. We picture from the rugby direct fans.

803
00:43:17,013 --> 00:43:19,693
Speaker 3: But that's got to be the biggest job in world

804
00:43:19,773 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 3: sport almost, doesn't it? Turning around Wales that there's such

805
00:43:23,493 --> 00:43:25,053
Speaker 3: a dysfunctional.

806
00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:28,773
Speaker 2: Hey, Steve Tanny might have them humming by week four

807
00:43:28,853 --> 00:43:31,213
Speaker 2: of the Automnations Championship when the all blecks are off,

808
00:43:31,253 --> 00:43:32,653
Speaker 2: they might be world beaters.

809
00:43:32,853 --> 00:43:35,733
Speaker 3: Who knows, he's a proven defensive coach, but again, stick

810
00:43:35,773 --> 00:43:38,293
Speaker 3: it stepping up to test rugby in a head coaching

811
00:43:38,413 --> 00:43:41,573
Speaker 3: role in Wales. Yeah, good luck son all right.

812
00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:44,413
Speaker 2: Topic number four. The New Zealand under twenties lose to

813
00:43:44,533 --> 00:43:48,653
Speaker 2: South Africa in the World Championship final, first time they're

814
00:43:48,653 --> 00:43:51,013
Speaker 2: in the final. The New Zealand team since twenty seventeen

815
00:43:52,093 --> 00:43:56,373
Speaker 2: beaten by South Africa. Just you know, we're trouble by

816
00:43:56,453 --> 00:44:00,973
Speaker 2: red card in the first half and felt like they

817
00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:02,853
Speaker 2: were behind the eight ball a lot of that game.

818
00:44:04,053 --> 00:44:05,573
Speaker 2: What did you make of their campaign and what do

819
00:44:05,653 --> 00:44:06,053
Speaker 2: we take.

820
00:44:05,933 --> 00:44:10,373
Speaker 3: Out of it? I think it's a win. Anytime you

821
00:44:10,453 --> 00:44:12,373
Speaker 3: lose the final, you're going to be disappointed, aren't you

822
00:44:12,973 --> 00:44:15,973
Speaker 3: go there to claim a title. But it's been a

823
00:44:16,013 --> 00:44:21,293
Speaker 3: long time and I think it's a big improvement on

824
00:44:21,413 --> 00:44:24,373
Speaker 3: where this twenties team has been. And let's not forget

825
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:29,493
Speaker 3: they had a changeing head coach a matter of months before,

826
00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:32,533
Speaker 3: weeks before going to this tournament, which could have been

827
00:44:32,613 --> 00:44:38,133
Speaker 3: hugely disruptive. But I think it's a good result.

828
00:44:38,733 --> 00:44:42,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think probably in some ways

829
00:44:42,533 --> 00:44:44,933
Speaker 2: too much waitings put on the under twenties and how

830
00:44:46,253 --> 00:44:48,653
Speaker 2: what the results are. I think it's more about pathways

831
00:44:48,693 --> 00:44:52,773
Speaker 2: and players. This is the only time that they'll play together,

832
00:44:52,893 --> 00:44:55,733
Speaker 2: you know, groups by age and so when you get

833
00:44:55,773 --> 00:44:58,533
Speaker 2: to senior level, you make the cut where you don't.

834
00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:00,493
Speaker 2: It's not a matter of how old you are, So

835
00:45:01,253 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 2: I think a little bit too much weightings given to that.

836
00:45:03,213 --> 00:45:05,613
Speaker 2: But what I did see was, you know, a lot

837
00:45:05,653 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 2: of systems that worked in terms of the way they played.

838
00:45:08,453 --> 00:45:11,733
Speaker 2: Beat the South African team in the Rugby Championship edition

839
00:45:11,933 --> 00:45:15,813
Speaker 2: of the under twenties a few months ago in South Africa.

840
00:45:15,973 --> 00:45:19,053
Speaker 2: So I think there's some positive signs. It's more about

841
00:45:19,053 --> 00:45:21,133
Speaker 2: the pathways than the players that are coming through, I think.

842
00:45:21,893 --> 00:45:23,933
Speaker 2: And there looks to be a promising group of players.

843
00:45:23,973 --> 00:45:26,973
Speaker 2: A couple of really promising young hookers Manamu let You

844
00:45:27,093 --> 00:45:28,693
Speaker 2: from the Crusader has already had a couple of games

845
00:45:28,733 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 2: the Crusaders eli Odin Ryan, Jill Pleger and a couple

846
00:45:33,853 --> 00:45:36,013
Speaker 2: of the locks look really good as well. So there's

847
00:45:36,053 --> 00:45:38,173
Speaker 2: some players there that are promising. A couple of outside

848
00:45:38,173 --> 00:45:38,533
Speaker 2: backs too.

849
00:45:38,973 --> 00:45:42,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, and shout out to Tane Harvey Fox and boy

850
00:45:43,213 --> 00:45:46,493
Speaker 3: who was on the bench for the final. He I'm

851
00:45:46,493 --> 00:45:48,613
Speaker 3: pretty sure he's playing for South on an NPC. He's

852
00:45:48,653 --> 00:45:52,093
Speaker 3: in the Highlanders system. So yeah, pretty amazing to see

853
00:45:52,173 --> 00:45:55,053
Speaker 3: a small town kid who captains Parmeerson North Boys high

854
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:55,453
Speaker 3: in the mix.

855
00:45:56,373 --> 00:45:58,853
Speaker 2: They will he now replaced you as sort of you

856
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:00,933
Speaker 2: know the Naper club rooms. We were replaced by him.

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