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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoon's Full Show Podcast number one three for Monday,

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Speaker 2: the seventh of April twenty twenty five. Fantastic show today.

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Speaker 2: We had, we had stories of success came in. We

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Speaker 2: had shocking stories about jury service. It's amazing what people

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Speaker 2: are willing to.

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Speaker 3: Share, crazy cases.

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Speaker 2: And we answer the question once and for all from

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Speaker 2: an expert, do state houses have good bones or is

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Speaker 2: that just a myth?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: A lot of chat about the gum boot doors. That's

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Speaker 3: not what they call but you have to listen to

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Speaker 3: find out. And the stream behind the gun boot door

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Speaker 3: that's your phrase, gum boot door.

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for tuning into the Mat and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Afternoon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Love Youses, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 3: The well, good ay to you. Welcome into the show.

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Speaker 3: It is Monday afternoon. Hope you had an amazing weekend

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Speaker 3: whatever you were doing. Thanks for listening. As always, kid

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Speaker 3: it Matt.

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Speaker 2: I certainly had a fantastic weekends. And look, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring this up because I felt bad. We were

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Speaker 2: talking about Minecraft on Friday on the show, and I'm

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Speaker 2: a big fan of the game and I think it's

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Speaker 2: great for children. We had that discussion and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people ringing in and agree with that, but we

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Speaker 2: need Jerk said that the Minecraft movie was rubbish. I'd

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Speaker 2: listened to Hosking Breakfast and he ordered all over it

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Speaker 2: and said it was a one star movie and it

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Speaker 2: was terrible. And I just took that on board. Yeap,

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Speaker 2: I've got to stop listening to other people's reviews. And

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Speaker 2: you look at Rotten Tomatoes and it doesn't have a

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Speaker 2: great review on at forty eight percent. But I went

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Speaker 2: to a screening of this movie and I thought it

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Speaker 2: was just so funny and so good, and it was

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Speaker 2: a sold out screening. It was absolutely rammed at Saint

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Speaker 2: Luke's and at the end standing ovation. I haven't been

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Speaker 2: to a movie where people have clapped in a very

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Speaker 2: very long time at the end because it's such a

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Speaker 2: fun and funny movie, and if you know Minecraft, a

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Speaker 2: Minecraft movie delivers a lot of those little things. But

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Speaker 2: Jason Momoa's slapstick humor is so funny in it. Jack

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Speaker 2: Black's gating it, grating it, Jennifer call it. She's funny

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Speaker 2: in it, as she always is.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I just thought it was such a great movie, and

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Speaker 2: I was sitting in there laughing away going I was

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Speaker 2: on the radio saying that I didn't think this was

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Speaker 2: a very good movie before I'd even seen it, and

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Speaker 2: I thought that was disgusting. And someone should taze me

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Speaker 2: for that kind of behavior, because for who goes on

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Speaker 3: But it's so easy to fall in that trap, and

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Speaker 3: I hate myself when I do it as well. But

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Speaker 3: you listen too much to these toffee nose critics. They

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Speaker 3: have any fun in their life? That's what going on

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: I have fun exactly. And you know, the one of

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Speaker 2: the greatest movies of all time, Taken for example, got

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Speaker 2: and what the audience wants. You're seeing this all the time.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: What the actual audience wants and what the critics want

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Speaker 2: is very, very, very different in a movie. And you

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Speaker 2: as expected. It got one hundred and fifty seven American

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Speaker 2: million dollars in its first week, absolute record for a

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Speaker 3: A blinder. It's going to be a huge financial success,

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Speaker 2: My kids loved it. I loved it. Everyone else in

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Speaker 3: Look at that text, Matt. My wife watched it twice

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Speaker 3: Boom Boom.

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Speaker 2: The good on you, Jesse, I love that.

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Speaker 3: Go see Minecraft right too. The show today after three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: we want to have a wee chat about jury service.

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Speaker 3: It is on the back of a story about a

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Speaker 2: You're paying for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you people, they.

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Speaker 2: Can't get people to go and do jury service. But

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Speaker 2: now they've got these jury service games where you go along,

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Speaker 2: a crime that never happened. Amazing. But I remember a

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Speaker 2: few about late last year, we were talking about jury

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Speaker 2: and they had really exciting jury service stories, so they

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about whether you'd go to this,

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Speaker 2: one hour specially hyped up jury service, fake scape room

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Speaker 3: So right, that is after three o'clock, after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: what are your secrets to success? It's on the back

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Speaker 3: of a new series that the Herald are running at

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Speaker 3: the moment, called On the Up, and this particular story

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Speaker 3: had to look at some successful individuals in new Zealand

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Speaker 3: and what was their keys to success? Fascinating read, But

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Speaker 3: we want to open up that question to you yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got Alise Andrews, the Olympic gold medal cyclist,

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Speaker 2: those gymsp So we've got these stories and there's some

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Speaker 2: we want you to break the shackles of that New

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Speaker 2: Zealand humbleness. And if you've been successful, ring eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and why you believe you're successful, and how your philosophy

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Speaker 3: Obviously obviously let's pump ourselves up. That's after two o'clock.

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Speaker 3: state homes. So up to nine hundred state homes will

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Speaker 3: They are going to be selling where they are sitting

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Speaker 3: from the sales will be reinvested into homes and more

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Speaker 2: So do you have a problem with us one hundred

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Speaker 2: because the number of state houses isn't going to go down,

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Speaker 2: that's the idea. They'll keep the stocks up around seventy thousand.

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Speaker 2: They just think that there's money being stored up unnecessarily

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Speaker 2: in these valuable properties. Do you believe that? Also, have

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Speaker 2: you bought an X state home and how do they

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Speaker 2: be buying them of course, some developers will level them

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Speaker 2: and build twenty five townhouses on the spot where one

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Speaker 2: quarter acre was. But have you bought a state house

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Speaker 2: in the past, and how do they stack up? Because

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Speaker 2: I'm actually looking at a state house at the moment

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Speaker 3: You are, and it's a beautiful looking former state home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But that was always the case with state homes,

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Speaker 3: They've got good bones in them, but they've just got

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Speaker 2: But they have that humiliating gumboot door that you have

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Speaker 2: You know, that sort of weird gum boot. It's just

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Speaker 2: like that weird entrance. There's no decent indoor outdoor flow

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Speaker 3: House that's keen out in the outdoor flow. But keen

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen past one, and we're talking about the

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Speaker 3: coying order strategy of selling up parcels of land and

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Speaker 2: Which sounds incredible. I support it, but here's the opposing

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Speaker 2: arguments come through. On nineteen nine two, the philosophy behind

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Speaker 2: who own their own or rented. This was a great philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Yet at the moment it is a philosophy the country

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with them selling up and buying more.

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Speaker 2: In fact, that would be the responsible thing to do.

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Speaker 2: But the idea, the opposing idea is that it's quite

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Speaker 2: good to have people the disadvantage and amongst people that

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Speaker 2: you don't end up with that are doing well. They

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Speaker 2: up and we don't end up in with ghettos, you know.

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Speaker 2: So if you just sprinkle a state house or two

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Speaker 2: on affluent streets, then it helps the people on you know,

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Speaker 2: get a leg up. Just on the question, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it might marry someone rich from the other road exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no doubt about it that they are

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Speaker 3: going to have any less social housing, but arguably they

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Speaker 3: are going to have more. Right that if they sell

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Speaker 3: in these very wealthy areas, then they can afford to

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Speaker 3: build two three times more in affordable areas. But is

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Speaker 3: that the wrong way to look at it? Do we

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Speaker 3: want to be building more social housing or do we

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Speaker 3: actually want to be looking at why that demand is

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Speaker 3: so high at the moment seventy thousand state homes in

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Speaker 2: Ideally, there'll be no such thing as a state home,

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Speaker 8: I've good afternoon. Well, I'm furious. I'm a post to

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Speaker 8: And what gets me to no one nobody gives a

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Speaker 2: What about? So we get that, but say, if you've

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Speaker 2: That would be the logic, wouldn't it, Well, a whole

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Speaker 8: Either they're not moving family son, that's what I said,

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Speaker 8: flopping them off to the developers. The developers are getting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we get your points there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, Sue. So critics, you know,

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Speaker 3: Of course, anybody who gets into a state home would

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you're looking at this ones here, three Ellisley

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Speaker 2: reportedly soldial developer for one point three seven million. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I mean although when they were building some houses recently,

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Speaker 2: Were too much changed back on each one of those apartments.

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Speaker 2: So as long as they can use the money efficiently

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just quickly, where we're renting at the moment, there

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Speaker 3: You know, it seems to work fairly well. But I

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Speaker 3: will preface that by saying a lot of older people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this taxi here is pushing back on suit. Some

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Speaker 2: people have sat in a state house for thirty years,

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Speaker 2: one point quarter acre section. Plus they get accommodation supplance,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. We can't afford this. We are

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Speaker 2: would you? Which is which sad though, because you know

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Speaker 3: And how many first time buyers in particular, or you know,

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Speaker 3: these days it's just not viable. Oh, eight hundred AC

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Speaker 3: keen DEVI chat with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how is it? And if you I'd love to

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Speaker 2: guess for someone that purchased it, purchased it, because of

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Speaker 2: course you might purchase it, you know, once it's been renovated.

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Speaker 2: But someone that purchased the house that was most recently

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Speaker 2: they were a property developer. They bought it and renowed it.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear from them.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it is twenty two past one.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Clime Minister is well, as do you expect to see

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Speaker 2: a global recession?

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Speaker 9: I think the tariffs and trade wars are going to

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Speaker 9: cause huge pressure economically. That'll lead to rising inflation, There'll

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Speaker 9: be currency challenges, they'll be slow down in economic growth.

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Speaker 9: And that's why we just don't think it's the right thing.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's interesting, Mike, having lived in the US,

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Speaker 9: that is going to be us consumer.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be paying a lot more. Can you

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Speaker 2: explain his logic?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 9: I mean, I just have been a person for a

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Speaker 9: long time just doesn't believe that tariff's work. All that

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Speaker 9: It's the same reason why we won't retaliate with a

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZED be good afternoon. We are talking about

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Speaker 3: kayang or order. Just quickly While we're laughing, we're still

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Speaker 3: talking about that beautiful steak you had a badoozy, such

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Speaker 3: a good stake.

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Speaker 2: I've been talking about I've been talking about that steak

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Speaker 2: for four days. Right, it was great, say, but I

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Speaker 2: have been shamed for having the steak at an Italian restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Food of the people, badoozi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, shame, shame. But back to but also have.

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Speaker 2: The clam meat balls.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, there we go, so you went half Italian.

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Speaker 3: We are talking about Quayang Order and their strategy of

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Speaker 2: Shall we say this Texas is I disagree with you

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Speaker 2: on Matt. State houses make the whole area antisocial. We

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Speaker 2: can't go to the dairy or walk our dogs because

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Speaker 2: we get jumped by those unrulies. I haven't heard the

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Speaker 2: term unrulies for a while. My dad sometimes calls unrulies boyos,

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Speaker 2: see the boyos. But yeah, I mean I was saying

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Speaker 2: maybe I don't know what the exact stats on it.

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Speaker 2: But I imagine if you are around successful people, then I

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it certainly would stop the getaization if

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Speaker 2: I knew these good friends of mine who lived beside

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe it was good for the kids. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just thought a pir interaction with my wealthy friend

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Speaker 2: might have been good. Yeah, when he was spraying them

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Speaker 3: There you go, O one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is the number to call. And if you've bought a

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Speaker 3: How are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 10: Pretty good?

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Speaker 11: Thanks guys yourself?

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Speaker 3: Good now? Did you want to have a chat about

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Speaker 3: this new strategy or you purchased a state house yourself.

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Speaker 12: I purchased a state house in the mid nineties and

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Speaker 2: So before you bought it, the last thing it was

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Speaker 2: of I don't know, a private citizen to be in there.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 12: Yes, And it was a when I got it, they

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Speaker 2: Had they left the light bulbs because because once my

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Speaker 2: and we'd locked it up. I was very young at

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Speaker 2: the time. But then there was just wires hang down

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Speaker 2: or even light things. Anyway, I digress. So what described

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Speaker 11: Yes, so interesting. It was a trueplex interesting a few fronts.

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Speaker 13: They were designed by people from the northern hemdset was

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Speaker 12: You know, they're they're well known for being well built.

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Speaker 12: That's actually a bit of a fallacy as well when

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Speaker 12: all sorts of place pos They shouldn't have been gaped.

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Speaker 12: And what they used to what they used to do

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Speaker 11: So, yeah, they're beautiful, beautiful simbers.

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Speaker 12: Not necessarily them could quality built.

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Speaker 2: So what year sorry I might have missed that, Paul,

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Speaker 2: What year was was this this house originally built? The

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Speaker 6: Four ts?

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Speaker 14: I'm I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, after the and so so you you bought one

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Speaker 2: was sold as well. That wasn't still remaining as a

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Speaker 2: state house the other side of the duplex? Correct, yes,

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Speaker 2: And did the other people renovate as well?

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Speaker 12: They did not, not to the same extent. I got

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Speaker 12: opened up on that northern side.

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Speaker 2: Basically, did it have did your the duplex that you bought,

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Speaker 2: you're part of it? Did it have that kind of

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Speaker 2: weird gum boot door that state houses always seemed to have.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely.

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Speaker 12: Yes, again, I managed to put the alterations blues that.

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Speaker 3: Shall we say, what about the bay windows on the inside.

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Speaker 3: Was that a feature of your state home?

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Speaker 12: No man knows, but it didn't mean some views out

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Speaker 2: So, Paul, did you get a good deal on buying it?

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Speaker 2: And have you have you do you still live in

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Speaker 11: No? I saw that early two thousand, so I was

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Speaker 11: probably in there about eight or nine years. Yeah, it

439
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Speaker 11: was a pretty good deal at the time in terms

440
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Speaker 11: of that. Yeah, I was in one Tree Hills, so

441
00:20:32,893 --> 00:20:36,413
Speaker 11: the area was a better area in terms of prices,

442
00:20:36,413 --> 00:20:38,653
Speaker 11: And yeah, managed to buy the price I could afford.

443
00:20:40,013 --> 00:20:42,613
Speaker 2: And so you know, you say that that there's a

444
00:20:42,653 --> 00:20:45,292
Speaker 2: little bit of a myth that the bones of these

445
00:20:45,333 --> 00:20:48,933
Speaker 2: state houses, because well, it's something you hear constantly. Yes,

446
00:20:49,493 --> 00:20:52,053
Speaker 2: I don't know much about bones of houses, but I'm

447
00:20:52,093 --> 00:20:53,052
Speaker 2: constantly hearing that.

448
00:20:53,093 --> 00:20:53,773
Speaker 3: It's a nice line.

449
00:20:53,813 --> 00:20:55,773
Speaker 2: Is I've probably hear it about once a week. Someone

450
00:20:55,853 --> 00:20:58,893
Speaker 2: said those those nineteen forty, nineteen to fifty state houses

451
00:20:58,933 --> 00:21:03,133
Speaker 2: have great bones. But you're calling that into question. So

452
00:21:03,173 --> 00:21:05,812
Speaker 2: how much did you actually have to do to you know,

453
00:21:06,013 --> 00:21:09,533
Speaker 2: on a foundational level, to you know, in your renovation,

454
00:21:11,213 --> 00:21:11,773
Speaker 2: it wasn't so.

455
00:21:11,773 --> 00:21:14,653
Speaker 12: Much on foundations. I mean I only had to beef

456
00:21:14,733 --> 00:21:17,973
Speaker 12: up foundations where I was putting beams in. Now it's

457
00:21:18,013 --> 00:21:21,413
Speaker 12: more when you pulled your off to move walls and whatnot,

458
00:21:21,413 --> 00:21:26,133
Speaker 12: and you go, oh that that diagonal races, right.

459
00:21:26,653 --> 00:21:28,493
Speaker 3: That's not what you want. And so was this was

460
00:21:28,533 --> 00:21:30,573
Speaker 3: this weather board Paul on the outside.

461
00:21:31,453 --> 00:21:33,893
Speaker 14: Block right, Yeah, so Brecantile.

462
00:21:34,453 --> 00:21:37,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard bad things about weather board, not because

463
00:21:38,253 --> 00:21:40,853
Speaker 3: you know, there's anything wrong with the bones, just because

464
00:21:40,853 --> 00:21:42,853
Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of Admont, you know, replacing weather

465
00:21:42,893 --> 00:21:45,493
Speaker 3: boards and uh, it's it's quite a bit of up key.

466
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Speaker 2: Yes, So Paul, you would recomm recommend someone purchasing a

467
00:21:52,213 --> 00:21:55,053
Speaker 2: state house or you you would say, no, there's tony

468
00:21:55,093 --> 00:21:57,213
Speaker 2: weird diagonal things in the walls.

469
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Speaker 12: Now, look, it was it was a good experience overall,

470
00:22:00,293 --> 00:22:03,333
Speaker 12: but it's it's more a myth that they were well

471
00:22:03,333 --> 00:22:04,253
Speaker 12: built in my opinion.

472
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your call, Paul, appreciate Its

473
00:22:07,333 --> 00:22:09,453
Speaker 3: good to clarify that you are right though. Whenever they

474
00:22:09,493 --> 00:22:11,813
Speaker 3: say it's got good bones, and I always just take

475
00:22:11,853 --> 00:22:13,653
Speaker 3: that as Hey, that's a good house. But I never

476
00:22:13,693 --> 00:22:15,812
Speaker 3: looked into it any deeper than that. I just accepted

477
00:22:16,013 --> 00:22:16,773
Speaker 3: it was good bones.

478
00:22:16,973 --> 00:22:19,413
Speaker 2: It's one of those truths that we carry around with

479
00:22:19,493 --> 00:22:21,893
Speaker 2: us that we've never investigated. You just get told it

480
00:22:21,973 --> 00:22:25,013
Speaker 2: your whole life for those state houses built well, you know,

481
00:22:25,133 --> 00:22:27,493
Speaker 2: that might look like rubbish, might have a whole of

482
00:22:27,493 --> 00:22:29,973
Speaker 2: crap in the front yard, might have a humiliating gum

483
00:22:30,013 --> 00:22:35,533
Speaker 2: boot entry, might have a washing line with something disgusting

484
00:22:35,573 --> 00:22:36,973
Speaker 2: hanging off it. But the bones are good.

485
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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

486
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Speaker 3: We are talking about this new strategy from kying order

487
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Speaker 3: about selling and wealthy suburbs and buying more homes and

488
00:22:45,773 --> 00:22:49,173
Speaker 3: affordable areas. And also if you've purchased a state home,

489
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Speaker 3: loved to ear.

490
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Speaker 2: Wow, We've got a caller talking about housing from a

491
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Speaker 2: police officer's point of view. So looking forward to that.

492
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512
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Speaker 16: Back to matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Ray Lean and we are talking

514
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Speaker 3: about the sell off of some state homes and affluent

515
00:24:25,253 --> 00:24:29,653
Speaker 3: areas with the strategy of hopefully getting some good money

516
00:24:29,693 --> 00:24:31,733
Speaker 3: from the sale of that land in those homes and

517
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Speaker 3: then reinvesting that into more affordable areas.

518
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Speaker 2: And there has been some push back on the truth

519
00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:41,292
Speaker 2: we've all been told our whole life. I guess what

520
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Speaker 2: is it? The just the bedrock of belief in New

521
00:24:44,093 --> 00:24:48,133
Speaker 2: Zealand that state homes have good bones. And this text

522
00:24:48,173 --> 00:24:51,693
Speaker 2: to here says, hey, Pete Wolfcamp always says that they

523
00:24:51,693 --> 00:24:54,613
Speaker 2: have good bones. So I'm putting my trust in that

524
00:24:54,653 --> 00:24:56,973
Speaker 2: building legend. Yeah, I mean.

525
00:24:57,493 --> 00:24:59,773
Speaker 3: Well, Piez is a legend and he certainly knows his stuff.

526
00:24:59,813 --> 00:25:02,013
Speaker 3: So maybe we might see if we can have a

527
00:25:02,013 --> 00:25:04,253
Speaker 3: we chat with Pete's a little bit later.

528
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Speaker 2: This hour six am, two nine am Sundays.

529
00:25:07,653 --> 00:25:10,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, he knows this stuff. Yeah, yeah, we'll tell it.

530
00:25:10,653 --> 00:25:12,533
Speaker 2: He certainly knows more than me. And a lot of

531
00:25:12,573 --> 00:25:14,453
Speaker 2: people ask me what I mean by that gum boot

532
00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:17,293
Speaker 2: entrance that you have, which because I've always looked at

533
00:25:17,293 --> 00:25:19,733
Speaker 2: state homes and they're quite functional, and they come from

534
00:25:19,773 --> 00:25:22,533
Speaker 2: an era when people weren't so indoor outdoor flow focused.

535
00:25:22,533 --> 00:25:25,053
Speaker 2: They were talking you know about you know, there was

536
00:25:25,093 --> 00:25:28,093
Speaker 2: some decks out the front, and so someone will know

537
00:25:28,133 --> 00:25:30,373
Speaker 2: the name for it. On eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

538
00:25:31,253 --> 00:25:33,532
Speaker 2: So it's sort of a I guess it's where you

539
00:25:33,573 --> 00:25:35,213
Speaker 2: came and you took your gum boots off, and it's

540
00:25:35,253 --> 00:25:38,093
Speaker 2: a little alcove before the door where you take your

541
00:25:38,093 --> 00:25:40,573
Speaker 2: gum boots off and you hang your jacket up before

542
00:25:40,573 --> 00:25:42,293
Speaker 2: you go inside. There'll be a name for.

543
00:25:42,253 --> 00:25:45,013
Speaker 3: It, right, so similar. I've just pulled up some weet

544
00:25:45,053 --> 00:25:46,813
Speaker 3: images here and I've actually googled gum.

545
00:25:46,733 --> 00:25:48,293
Speaker 2: But no, those are pictures of gum boots.

546
00:25:48,333 --> 00:25:48,573
Speaker 15: Mate.

547
00:25:48,973 --> 00:25:51,173
Speaker 3: Oh this little door here, No, that doesn't right.

548
00:25:51,173 --> 00:25:54,373
Speaker 2: That's not it. You've shown me twenty five pictures of

549
00:25:54,373 --> 00:25:56,853
Speaker 2: gum boots and a door with a gum boot in

550
00:25:56,853 --> 00:25:57,213
Speaker 2: front of it.

551
00:25:57,653 --> 00:25:59,613
Speaker 3: I've got no idea. I mean, googled and help me.

552
00:25:59,733 --> 00:26:00,532
Speaker 3: You have helped me.

553
00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:04,893
Speaker 2: Someone will know it's a porch. It's it's a little

554
00:26:05,253 --> 00:26:07,973
Speaker 2: porchy thing, but I think it's primarily so you take

555
00:26:07,973 --> 00:26:09,933
Speaker 2: your gum boots off before you go inside, or your

556
00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:13,253
Speaker 2: shoes off and you hang your jacket up. We had

557
00:26:13,293 --> 00:26:14,693
Speaker 2: it on one of the entrances of my house on

558
00:26:14,813 --> 00:26:17,933
Speaker 2: us growing up until we got knocked down and replaced

559
00:26:17,933 --> 00:26:20,133
Speaker 2: by like a sort of a coverage.

560
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Speaker 3: I don't know, help us out nine to nine two.

561
00:26:24,653 --> 00:26:26,093
Speaker 2: The hell's Peter wolf Camp. When you need them to

562
00:26:26,093 --> 00:26:27,013
Speaker 2: tell me what that's called.

563
00:26:26,853 --> 00:26:28,093
Speaker 3: We're going to get them on the case. O E

564
00:26:28,133 --> 00:26:31,653
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Tom.

565
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Speaker 3: How are you?

566
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Speaker 17: Yeah, good mate?

567
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Speaker 2: How are you guys?

568
00:26:34,773 --> 00:26:35,053
Speaker 16: Good?

569
00:26:35,093 --> 00:26:38,133
Speaker 2: Thank you? So you have a perspective on state housing

570
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Speaker 2: from the position of the police.

571
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Speaker 14: Yeah, So it's my personal opinion. I'm not going to

572
00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:47,213
Speaker 14: reflect it solely on police, but I'm based in Auckland,

573
00:26:47,733 --> 00:26:49,693
Speaker 14: and I kind of agree with if they are going

574
00:26:49,733 --> 00:26:54,613
Speaker 14: to transition from wealthy, prominent areas into I guess more

575
00:26:54,653 --> 00:26:58,173
Speaker 14: affordable areas. You could say. Reason for that being is

576
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Speaker 14: I just feel that there's those poor people that have

577
00:27:01,293 --> 00:27:05,133
Speaker 14: actually been placed those wealthy areas. Is a bit of

578
00:27:05,133 --> 00:27:07,973
Speaker 14: a spotlight on you. And I've been to jobs where

579
00:27:07,973 --> 00:27:11,293
Speaker 14: neighbors are bordering on state helping and I'm not trying

580
00:27:11,293 --> 00:27:15,653
Speaker 14: to say all state houses effect neighbors, but there's a

581
00:27:15,693 --> 00:27:20,093
Speaker 14: big percentage of people that are threatened bodies neighbors and

582
00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:22,933
Speaker 14: just the violence that in cures on these people. So

583
00:27:23,493 --> 00:27:24,973
Speaker 14: I can kind of see where they want to try

584
00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:27,373
Speaker 14: and pull it back to affordable health and put them

585
00:27:27,413 --> 00:27:31,532
Speaker 14: in a lower socioeconomic area, do you think they have

586
00:27:31,613 --> 00:27:32,533
Speaker 14: better outcomes?

587
00:27:32,573 --> 00:27:34,293
Speaker 2: So, you know, you get the point as you say

588
00:27:34,373 --> 00:27:38,533
Speaker 2: that the finger gets pointed, But do you think there's

589
00:27:38,613 --> 00:27:42,893
Speaker 2: better outcomes for people if they're surrounded by more affluent,

590
00:27:43,013 --> 00:27:45,293
Speaker 2: affluent people, if the finger isn't being pointed, do you

591
00:27:45,293 --> 00:27:48,773
Speaker 2: think there's more opportunities or it's you know, arguably a

592
00:27:48,813 --> 00:27:52,333
Speaker 2: safer place for them to grow up a family.

593
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Speaker 14: Yeah, one hundred percent. For that small percentage of people

594
00:27:57,213 --> 00:28:01,053
Speaker 14: that you know are generally struggling out there, they want

595
00:28:01,053 --> 00:28:03,493
Speaker 14: to get a leg up in society. I definitely agree

596
00:28:03,533 --> 00:28:07,773
Speaker 14: for that. Unfortunately, and I can't say what the statistics

597
00:28:07,813 --> 00:28:10,093
Speaker 14: would be, So I'd say there'd be a larger number

598
00:28:10,413 --> 00:28:13,733
Speaker 14: of people that are kind of in that criminal kind

599
00:28:13,813 --> 00:28:17,173
Speaker 14: of jeopardy where it just doesn't.

600
00:28:16,853 --> 00:28:17,533
Speaker 6: Really mix well.

601
00:28:17,573 --> 00:28:20,573
Speaker 14: Unfortunately. It's sad to say, is it.

602
00:28:20,773 --> 00:28:22,413
Speaker 3: I mean, on the flip side of that, Tom, is

603
00:28:22,453 --> 00:28:26,293
Speaker 3: it not almost a downward spiral to the bottom, then

604
00:28:26,613 --> 00:28:28,733
Speaker 3: that you have all of your state at home and

605
00:28:28,733 --> 00:28:32,893
Speaker 3: what would be called low socio areas that the disadvantage

606
00:28:32,933 --> 00:28:35,613
Speaker 3: of those people already have is made worse by having

607
00:28:35,693 --> 00:28:38,773
Speaker 3: more social housing in that area.

608
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:39,333
Speaker 18: Yeah.

609
00:28:39,413 --> 00:28:42,493
Speaker 14: Possibly. I'll just give you an example. So I do

610
00:28:42,533 --> 00:28:45,053
Speaker 14: a lot of work in South Auklam as well, and

611
00:28:45,693 --> 00:28:48,893
Speaker 14: it is quite frustrating because some of the state housing

612
00:28:48,973 --> 00:28:52,213
Speaker 14: that the government's placed in certain areas, some are right

613
00:28:52,213 --> 00:28:56,853
Speaker 14: next to soupermarkets, some are very close to small suburb CBDs.

614
00:28:57,293 --> 00:29:02,173
Speaker 14: The amount of shop listing and just loitering as well,

615
00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:05,053
Speaker 14: and then the call out to unruly neighbors at war.

616
00:29:05,893 --> 00:29:08,693
Speaker 14: I just think there's a better strategy is that they

617
00:29:08,693 --> 00:29:11,213
Speaker 14: need to come up long term to support these people.

618
00:29:12,173 --> 00:29:15,373
Speaker 14: And yeah, obviously there's the other hand where people are

619
00:29:15,413 --> 00:29:18,213
Speaker 14: getting effected, especially like supermarkets and shop owners.

620
00:29:19,173 --> 00:29:22,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom, thank you very much, really great to chat

621
00:29:22,413 --> 00:29:22,613
Speaker 3: to you.

622
00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:23,653
Speaker 10: Man.

623
00:29:23,773 --> 00:29:25,413
Speaker 3: The amount of teps that have come through on your

624
00:29:25,453 --> 00:29:27,853
Speaker 3: gum boot door. A lot of people calling it the mudroom.

625
00:29:28,573 --> 00:29:31,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought a mudroom was inside though, So it's

626
00:29:31,693 --> 00:29:34,693
Speaker 2: what it is is just a covered entrance. So the

627
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:37,013
Speaker 2: door sits back a little bit, either that or it

628
00:29:37,373 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 2: comes out, so the steps come up and it's just

629
00:29:39,933 --> 00:29:43,493
Speaker 2: a covered area where you would think you would have

630
00:29:43,893 --> 00:29:46,333
Speaker 2: possibly you know, a deck leading out into the sun

631
00:29:46,373 --> 00:29:49,533
Speaker 2: and some indoor outdoor flow. It's just this little door,

632
00:29:49,653 --> 00:29:51,973
Speaker 2: you take your jacket off, you hang that up, but

633
00:29:52,013 --> 00:29:55,893
Speaker 2: it's still outside. So a mudroom, in my understanding of mudrooms,

634
00:29:55,973 --> 00:29:58,453
Speaker 2: is actually inside. So you've already gone through the door

635
00:29:58,733 --> 00:30:01,613
Speaker 2: and then you sort of take your maybe that would

636
00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:02,533
Speaker 2: be called a vestibule.

637
00:30:03,293 --> 00:30:05,493
Speaker 3: So it's so it's on the external part of the

638
00:30:05,573 --> 00:30:07,933
Speaker 3: house and there's this wee kind of cut out area

639
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:11,573
Speaker 3: melted then you see quite often and dock huts for example.

640
00:30:11,613 --> 00:30:13,413
Speaker 3: I think they've got them.

641
00:30:13,773 --> 00:30:16,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, yeah, maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, so you don't.

642
00:30:17,013 --> 00:30:19,653
Speaker 2: So you don't. So you can take your jacket off.

643
00:30:19,653 --> 00:30:21,693
Speaker 2: You're not inside yet. You can take your jacket off,

644
00:30:21,693 --> 00:30:24,653
Speaker 2: and you can take your boots off before you go inside,

645
00:30:24,693 --> 00:30:26,933
Speaker 2: so you're not tramping stuff through the house and you're

646
00:30:26,933 --> 00:30:28,253
Speaker 2: not got your wet jacket inside.

647
00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:29,933
Speaker 3: It's just a coat room on the outside of the house.

648
00:30:30,093 --> 00:30:31,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's opened up to the steps.

649
00:30:31,453 --> 00:30:32,173
Speaker 3: It's a covered port.

650
00:30:32,213 --> 00:30:34,013
Speaker 2: It's just a covered it's just a covered ports. You

651
00:30:34,133 --> 00:30:37,333
Speaker 2: muppet says, that's okay, but it doesn't have great indoor

652
00:30:37,373 --> 00:30:38,893
Speaker 2: out or flow, and that's my problem with it.

653
00:30:39,053 --> 00:30:40,973
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to get Pete wolf Camp to hopefully

654
00:30:41,053 --> 00:30:41,533
Speaker 3: sort this out.

655
00:30:41,573 --> 00:30:43,733
Speaker 2: And how come we don't need them anymore? How come

656
00:30:43,773 --> 00:30:46,013
Speaker 2: you don't see them on houses anymore? If they're so great?

657
00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:47,853
Speaker 3: How often do you wear gummies these days?

658
00:30:47,893 --> 00:30:49,133
Speaker 2: A lot? Yeah, very much.

659
00:30:49,173 --> 00:30:50,493
Speaker 3: I like it.

660
00:30:50,493 --> 00:30:53,253
Speaker 2: It makes my legs, it's great. It makes my thighs

661
00:30:53,293 --> 00:30:54,013
Speaker 2: sit up nicely.

662
00:30:55,013 --> 00:30:57,133
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

663
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Speaker 3: to call. And just quickly before we go to the break,

664
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Speaker 3: we've been getting a lot of calls from our christ

665
00:31:02,173 --> 00:31:05,013
Speaker 3: Chitch listeners. So for those listening to christ Church are

666
00:31:05,013 --> 00:31:08,333
Speaker 3: building fire in christ Chuches, Bromley is sending thick blacks

667
00:31:08,373 --> 00:31:11,493
Speaker 3: smoke across the city. The mass Road property is believed

668
00:31:11,533 --> 00:31:14,173
Speaker 3: to be an electrical company, so we'll keep you up

669
00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:16,413
Speaker 3: to date with that as the afternoon progresses.

670
00:31:16,533 --> 00:31:18,493
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. We've got the definitive answer to

671
00:31:18,493 --> 00:31:20,693
Speaker 2: my question. In the context of New Zealand, a state

672
00:31:20,773 --> 00:31:24,213
Speaker 2: house alclove refers to with small enclosed space or recess

673
00:31:24,213 --> 00:31:26,293
Speaker 2: within a state house, often used for storage or as

674
00:31:26,333 --> 00:31:27,813
Speaker 2: a feature in the home design.

675
00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:29,853
Speaker 3: Know, that's not at I reckon, someone put that into

676
00:31:29,893 --> 00:31:30,533
Speaker 3: chet GPT.

677
00:31:30,773 --> 00:31:33,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the chet GPT mirage.

678
00:31:33,373 --> 00:31:35,533
Speaker 3: Oh On, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

679
00:31:35,573 --> 00:31:37,973
Speaker 3: To call if you know what the mud room slash

680
00:31:38,013 --> 00:31:40,533
Speaker 3: covered porch slash gumboot door is called. Let us know.

681
00:31:40,693 --> 00:31:42,693
Speaker 2: I feel like we've gone off piece to here we have.

682
00:31:42,973 --> 00:31:45,853
Speaker 3: It is sixteen to two.

683
00:31:45,853 --> 00:31:50,253
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

684
00:31:50,253 --> 00:31:52,813
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

685
00:31:52,893 --> 00:31:56,293
Speaker 3: Say'd be very good afternoon to you. It is fourteen

686
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,213
Speaker 3: to two. Well, joining us right now is the resident

687
00:31:59,293 --> 00:32:02,093
Speaker 3: builder Pete wolf Camp. You know him well. He is

688
00:32:02,133 --> 00:32:05,493
Speaker 3: a master when it comes to everything trade and building.

689
00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:07,133
Speaker 3: And he's on the line. Get apetes.

690
00:32:08,613 --> 00:32:09,413
Speaker 2: How are you, Tyler?

691
00:32:09,493 --> 00:32:10,213
Speaker 3: I'm very good.

692
00:32:10,573 --> 00:32:15,333
Speaker 2: Matt's here as well. How are you Matt now? Yes,

693
00:32:15,653 --> 00:32:18,813
Speaker 2: good to talk to you second time on this morning,

694
00:32:18,853 --> 00:32:24,053
Speaker 2: I understand or this today you're on with health. Well,

695
00:32:24,093 --> 00:32:26,733
Speaker 2: we've had a bit of pushback on one of the

696
00:32:26,773 --> 00:32:30,093
Speaker 2: things that we get brought up believing in New Zealand

697
00:32:30,093 --> 00:32:32,573
Speaker 2: that the bones of those classic state houses in New

698
00:32:32,653 --> 00:32:35,453
Speaker 2: Zealand are very good, that they were very well built.

699
00:32:35,693 --> 00:32:37,493
Speaker 2: We've had a couple of people saying that they've bought

700
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:40,573
Speaker 2: them and they haven't been great. But can you comment

701
00:32:40,653 --> 00:32:42,653
Speaker 2: on that, on the bones of the classic New Zealand

702
00:32:42,653 --> 00:32:43,173
Speaker 2: State House.

703
00:32:44,973 --> 00:32:48,013
Speaker 19: I look, the fairest way to describe them is they

704
00:32:48,053 --> 00:32:52,893
Speaker 19: were often built by you know, suitably qualified, experienced tradespeople,

705
00:32:53,533 --> 00:32:56,293
Speaker 19: and if they were state houses, they were often done

706
00:32:56,493 --> 00:32:59,693
Speaker 19: with like a clerk of works, right, and then the

707
00:32:59,773 --> 00:33:02,333
Speaker 19: clerk of works would be the person who would monitor

708
00:33:02,373 --> 00:33:05,693
Speaker 19: the quality. They were often built with really good quality timber,

709
00:33:06,213 --> 00:33:09,373
Speaker 19: lots of removed floors, lots of removed frame, nice matt

710
00:33:09,413 --> 00:33:12,413
Speaker 19: high weatherboards, and I've worked on plenty of them and

711
00:33:12,453 --> 00:33:17,933
Speaker 19: they are remarkably robust. They're also incredibly simple buildings, right,

712
00:33:18,413 --> 00:33:21,013
Speaker 19: so you know, in terms of insulation, in terms of

713
00:33:21,173 --> 00:33:26,613
Speaker 19: draft proofing and that pretty much non existent. So right bones,

714
00:33:26,773 --> 00:33:29,133
Speaker 19: but thereafter they don't perform particularly well.

715
00:33:29,373 --> 00:33:32,053
Speaker 2: Okay, now I got you. We've summed that up. So

716
00:33:32,213 --> 00:33:34,693
Speaker 2: in a modern context, they're probably not delivering everything they

717
00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:37,493
Speaker 2: need to do, but they'll they'll hold up under our

718
00:33:37,533 --> 00:33:40,373
Speaker 2: own weight for it for a very long time. Second question,

719
00:33:40,413 --> 00:33:41,693
Speaker 2: and this is what I'm getting a lot of heat

720
00:33:41,733 --> 00:33:44,693
Speaker 2: for because I was saying I was saying that when

721
00:33:44,733 --> 00:33:47,333
Speaker 2: you look at a state house, there's that little thing

722
00:33:47,333 --> 00:33:48,813
Speaker 2: out in the front. Is that just called a port

723
00:33:48,933 --> 00:33:51,533
Speaker 2: where where you come in and you take your boots

724
00:33:51,573 --> 00:33:54,053
Speaker 2: off and you hang your jacket up. And state houses

725
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:57,173
Speaker 2: typically had that on the entrance way, maybe up a

726
00:33:57,213 --> 00:33:59,573
Speaker 2: couple of stairs that covered entrance. Was that just called

727
00:33:59,573 --> 00:34:00,133
Speaker 2: a port.

728
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:05,133
Speaker 19: Yes, pretty much. So, I mean they're there to provide

729
00:34:05,133 --> 00:34:07,093
Speaker 19: a little bit of cover to the front door. You

730
00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:09,692
Speaker 19: could get there, you could take your boots off. Was

731
00:34:09,773 --> 00:34:12,292
Speaker 19: way before we got all flash about mud rooms and

732
00:34:12,613 --> 00:34:15,453
Speaker 19: somewhere to hang your riding boots and your fancy green

733
00:34:15,573 --> 00:34:19,093
Speaker 19: wellies and your bloody three hundred dollars jacket and all

734
00:34:19,093 --> 00:34:21,453
Speaker 19: that nonsense. So it was just it was somewhere it

735
00:34:21,493 --> 00:34:23,733
Speaker 19: provides a bit of cover. It's actually quite if you

736
00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:26,413
Speaker 19: think about designs now, if you go to someone's front

737
00:34:26,413 --> 00:34:28,213
Speaker 19: door and there's a little bit of cover, it feels

738
00:34:28,293 --> 00:34:30,853
Speaker 19: really welcoming. Now, I think that's what it ultimately was about.

739
00:34:31,093 --> 00:34:33,493
Speaker 2: Well, I guess now you might have a larger covering

740
00:34:33,533 --> 00:34:35,693
Speaker 2: because we you know, we spend more time sort of

741
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:38,013
Speaker 2: sitting out on it on a deck. Probably that might

742
00:34:38,053 --> 00:34:40,133
Speaker 2: have a cover that goes quite quite right across.

743
00:34:40,173 --> 00:34:43,333
Speaker 19: And thinking about there, I think we shift from sort

744
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:47,293
Speaker 19: of utility space to outdoor living space, right, and that's

745
00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:49,933
Speaker 19: where it might go from being a porch to a purglar,

746
00:34:50,093 --> 00:34:50,373
Speaker 19: you know.

747
00:34:52,373 --> 00:34:54,853
Speaker 2: And then the kids just leave four thousand different pairs

748
00:34:54,853 --> 00:34:57,493
Speaker 2: of shoes out in the front. There a bike there.

749
00:34:57,493 --> 00:34:59,533
Speaker 2: It's an absolute disaster. You go back to.

750
00:34:59,853 --> 00:35:03,013
Speaker 19: See my boot collection on the front porch like that.

751
00:35:03,293 --> 00:35:03,853
Speaker 2: But thank you.

752
00:35:03,933 --> 00:35:05,732
Speaker 3: We went off the rails a bit, Pete, So thank

753
00:35:05,773 --> 00:35:07,493
Speaker 3: you very much for putting it back on.

754
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:10,133
Speaker 2: Talk back enjoy guys.

755
00:35:10,133 --> 00:35:13,213
Speaker 3: All right, thanks very much. That is cheers mate. That

756
00:35:13,333 --> 00:35:16,293
Speaker 3: is the resident builder, Pete Wolf. Can't now New Zealander.

757
00:35:16,333 --> 00:35:16,853
Speaker 3: It's a porch.

758
00:35:16,933 --> 00:35:17,413
Speaker 2: It's a porch.

759
00:35:17,813 --> 00:35:19,333
Speaker 3: Look, it's what it was all along.

760
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:22,493
Speaker 2: I'm experiencing a lot of humiliation. I've got this from

761
00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:25,333
Speaker 2: my defacto mother in law. It's a porch, you idiot.

762
00:35:25,773 --> 00:35:26,973
Speaker 2: We had one at Gardner Air.

763
00:35:27,573 --> 00:35:31,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, very I've had great fun this hour. Oh eight

764
00:35:31,613 --> 00:35:33,573
Speaker 3: hundred eighty, ten to eighty is the number to call.

765
00:35:33,613 --> 00:35:35,813
Speaker 3: We'll get things back on track a little bit. It

766
00:35:35,893 --> 00:35:36,853
Speaker 3: is ten to two.

767
00:35:38,773 --> 00:35:42,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

768
00:35:42,373 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Taylor Adams

769
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:46,693
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talks.

770
00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:50,973
Speaker 3: V News Talks. Very good afternoon. We're just talking about

771
00:35:51,013 --> 00:35:54,253
Speaker 3: remove floors and state homes some great techs coming through

772
00:35:54,253 --> 00:35:55,053
Speaker 3: a nineteen ninet two.

773
00:35:55,133 --> 00:35:57,453
Speaker 2: I bought a state house in the early nineteen nineties

774
00:35:57,493 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 2: as a result of the then national governments new housing

775
00:35:59,453 --> 00:36:01,973
Speaker 2: policy selling up state houses. I was a single mum

776
00:36:01,973 --> 00:36:04,133
Speaker 2: living in it already, and given the opportunity to buy

777
00:36:04,133 --> 00:36:06,133
Speaker 2: it was a no brainer not to buy it. And

778
00:36:06,213 --> 00:36:08,853
Speaker 2: I could afford to buy it. And it was a

779
00:36:09,093 --> 00:36:13,973
Speaker 2: beautiful home with beautiful removed floors, beautiful bones to it.

780
00:36:14,053 --> 00:36:16,693
Speaker 2: I loved it. I loved it with every fiber of

781
00:36:16,693 --> 00:36:19,133
Speaker 2: my being and would never have gone into a house

782
00:36:19,133 --> 00:36:22,253
Speaker 2: without this opportunity. That's a lovely story. It's good to

783
00:36:22,253 --> 00:36:23,893
Speaker 2: hear that kind of positivity, isn't it is?

784
00:36:24,133 --> 00:36:26,252
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Lois Ben.

785
00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:28,732
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. You're you're working on a state

786
00:36:28,773 --> 00:36:31,333
Speaker 2: house right now? I believe I am.

787
00:36:31,333 --> 00:36:32,933
Speaker 5: Right now, you know. I hope you can still hear

788
00:36:32,973 --> 00:36:33,973
Speaker 5: me over all the noise.

789
00:36:34,053 --> 00:36:35,773
Speaker 2: But it sounds like good bones there.

790
00:36:37,053 --> 00:36:39,093
Speaker 5: Oh man, that's just just the best bones.

791
00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:42,253
Speaker 3: How's the porch out in front? Good place for your

792
00:36:42,253 --> 00:36:43,773
Speaker 3: whip boots?

793
00:36:44,133 --> 00:36:48,613
Speaker 5: Well, they do live in there, yeah, And I just

794
00:36:48,693 --> 00:36:51,813
Speaker 5: love the little daggy ventilation gaps and everywhere and then

795
00:36:52,373 --> 00:36:56,893
Speaker 5: that little milk and these and then their bedrooms and

796
00:36:56,933 --> 00:36:59,213
Speaker 5: the wood drop's over maining it out there being a draft,

797
00:36:59,893 --> 00:37:02,053
Speaker 5: you know what's going on. It's really cold over here.

798
00:37:02,093 --> 00:37:06,573
Speaker 5: And yeah, I found the I found a ventilation in

799
00:37:06,613 --> 00:37:10,573
Speaker 5: the and the drobes that you've got to sort of

800
00:37:10,773 --> 00:37:13,253
Speaker 5: go in and then look back and shine a light

801
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,893
Speaker 5: to see it. But now I'm learning a lot about

802
00:37:15,893 --> 00:37:18,533
Speaker 5: how they used to build houses back in the day

803
00:37:18,813 --> 00:37:22,453
Speaker 5: and nothing day men these competing buildings to buildings these

804
00:37:22,533 --> 00:37:26,093
Speaker 5: days and buildings and I'm working on just debfolutely shocking.

805
00:37:26,133 --> 00:37:29,652
Speaker 5: But you know, I just feel so guilty, you know,

806
00:37:29,653 --> 00:37:34,693
Speaker 5: as I'm pulling out this, this beautiful remark kitchen and

807
00:37:34,733 --> 00:37:37,692
Speaker 5: all this, all the beautiful solid products that still been

808
00:37:37,693 --> 00:37:41,773
Speaker 5: standing since nineteen forty, nineteen fifty, and that's still there.

809
00:37:41,773 --> 00:37:44,933
Speaker 5: It's still completely you know, it's totally useful. Yeah, And

810
00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:46,733
Speaker 5: I know that I'm going to be putting and how

811
00:37:46,773 --> 00:37:48,213
Speaker 5: I'm going to be replacing.

812
00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:51,692
Speaker 20: Them with the d Yeah kitchen, that's gonna that's gonna

813
00:37:51,773 --> 00:37:56,652
Speaker 20: last me ten years. And there's lot times, you know,

814
00:37:56,773 --> 00:37:59,333
Speaker 20: so much, so much things are the plans of the

815
00:37:59,373 --> 00:38:02,813
Speaker 20: house has changed because I'm pulling out the kitchen and

816
00:38:02,853 --> 00:38:05,212
Speaker 20: then I'm finding him behind this and paneled our box

817
00:38:05,293 --> 00:38:07,652
Speaker 20: o thing, the old wood, the old chipping, you know,

818
00:38:07,733 --> 00:38:11,493
Speaker 20: in the old cold range of them. Oh, I've managed

819
00:38:11,533 --> 00:38:16,333
Speaker 20: to recycle those and do the outdoor barbecue area, so

820
00:38:16,453 --> 00:38:19,133
Speaker 20: we co range other and we've got the chippy. I've

821
00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:20,413
Speaker 20: put that out in the well.

822
00:38:20,453 --> 00:38:23,293
Speaker 5: I took a bold a single garage didn't boosted and

823
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:26,493
Speaker 5: then put in a decent sheet and even even just

824
00:38:26,533 --> 00:38:30,053
Speaker 5: the garage was all I had. Cody Shells had remove

825
00:38:30,093 --> 00:38:33,293
Speaker 5: frames and that was all. Yeah, I've managed to recycle

826
00:38:33,413 --> 00:38:35,533
Speaker 5: so much stuff out of here, so I'm doing the

827
00:38:35,613 --> 00:38:40,133
Speaker 5: place a bit of justice. But yeah, you're just finding

828
00:38:40,133 --> 00:38:43,693
Speaker 5: so many surprises and yet listening to us for extra

829
00:38:44,053 --> 00:38:45,172
Speaker 5: and we are we're doing it.

830
00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:47,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, well good on you, Ben, too good.

831
00:38:47,653 --> 00:38:49,533
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they're wrapping out the remove though. That

832
00:38:49,573 --> 00:38:52,453
Speaker 3: does hurt. I get why you're doing it, Ben, but.

833
00:38:51,893 --> 00:38:54,133
Speaker 2: But you know that's I think. I think we're airing

834
00:38:54,213 --> 00:38:57,652
Speaker 2: on the side of good bones and state houses, but

835
00:38:57,893 --> 00:39:00,653
Speaker 2: maybe not for purpose and what we expect in the

836
00:39:00,693 --> 00:39:02,933
Speaker 2: house in twenty twenty five. You know, you can't just

837
00:39:02,933 --> 00:39:05,253
Speaker 2: have a hole in the wall for ventilation. You need

838
00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:06,853
Speaker 2: you need a punishing heat pump.

839
00:39:06,933 --> 00:39:09,453
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Thank you very much for all the phone

840
00:39:09,493 --> 00:39:11,853
Speaker 3: calls and texts. This one here, guys, name of the

841
00:39:12,133 --> 00:39:16,053
Speaker 3: Entree area was traditionally called a verandah, don't do that

842
00:39:16,093 --> 00:39:17,893
Speaker 3: to us now we're put that to bed.

843
00:39:17,933 --> 00:39:19,933
Speaker 2: It's porch people wolf Camp said it was a porch.

844
00:39:20,013 --> 00:39:22,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, we listened to Pete a gummy porch.

845
00:39:22,293 --> 00:39:25,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, people seem to think it's a

846
00:39:25,013 --> 00:39:28,293
Speaker 2: good idea to sell these expensive ones and build more

847
00:39:28,373 --> 00:39:30,173
Speaker 2: cheaper ones in different areas.

848
00:39:30,373 --> 00:39:34,333
Speaker 3: Absolutely good discussion. After two o'clock, we want to ask

849
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:37,333
Speaker 3: you what are your secrets to success? It's on the

850
00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:39,693
Speaker 3: back of the On the Up series that the Herald

851
00:39:39,733 --> 00:39:42,733
Speaker 3: are doing currently where they ask a bunch of clearly

852
00:39:42,733 --> 00:39:45,853
Speaker 3: successful kiwis what is the secret to success? Oh eight,

853
00:39:45,853 --> 00:39:47,853
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

854
00:39:47,933 --> 00:39:48,813
Speaker 3: love to hear from you news.

855
00:39:48,933 --> 00:39:53,733
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856
00:39:53,813 --> 00:39:56,453
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons US Talks.

857
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862
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869
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00:40:51,453 --> 00:40:54,133
Speaker 2: hard to do. And in the New Zealand Herald today

875
00:40:54,653 --> 00:41:00,613
Speaker 2: they have some philosophies of success from three very successful people.

876
00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:04,013
Speaker 2: At least Andrews you know her as the Olympic She's

877
00:41:04,053 --> 00:41:06,093
Speaker 2: got two golds and two sivils at silver's at the

878
00:41:06,093 --> 00:41:10,893
Speaker 2: Olympic Games. Fantastics cycle, incredible lez Mills you know him.

879
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:13,653
Speaker 2: He was mayor of Auckland at one point. He was

880
00:41:13,693 --> 00:41:17,893
Speaker 2: also an Olympian and of course started the lez Mills

881
00:41:17,893 --> 00:41:23,013
Speaker 2: gym s World have been hugely successful. And Makaya Carr

882
00:41:23,253 --> 00:41:27,053
Speaker 2: and she is a well known entrepreneurial businesswoman and she

883
00:41:27,133 --> 00:41:30,933
Speaker 2: was one of our earliest and successful online influences. So

884
00:41:30,973 --> 00:41:36,133
Speaker 2: they've got some very distinctive, you know, philosophies of success

885
00:41:36,213 --> 00:41:38,293
Speaker 2: that I'll share in just a minute. But hundred at

886
00:41:38,293 --> 00:41:42,573
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty, if you've been successful in anything, doesn't

887
00:41:42,573 --> 00:41:44,733
Speaker 2: have to be you don't have to be the most successful,

888
00:41:44,773 --> 00:41:46,773
Speaker 2: but you have to be enough to think that you

889
00:41:46,893 --> 00:41:49,973
Speaker 2: have been successful at something hundred eighty ten eighty, what

890
00:41:50,093 --> 00:41:53,053
Speaker 2: is your philosophy that has led to that success? And look,

891
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:55,893
Speaker 2: I understand you're going to have to overcome that hurdle

892
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:59,013
Speaker 2: of being a New Zealander where we don't like to

893
00:41:59,053 --> 00:42:02,053
Speaker 2: blow our own trumpets. We tend to be humble about

894
00:42:02,093 --> 00:42:03,893
Speaker 2: things until I've had a few beers and then we

895
00:42:04,053 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 2: just go crazy and tell everyone how great we are.

896
00:42:06,853 --> 00:42:12,333
Speaker 2: But I think it's helpful for other people. We want

897
00:42:12,413 --> 00:42:14,533
Speaker 2: more people to be successful. We need to hear stories

898
00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:16,772
Speaker 2: of successful people and the philosophies that got them there.

899
00:42:17,133 --> 00:42:19,493
Speaker 3: We need to pump out ourselves up. This is what

900
00:42:19,533 --> 00:42:21,252
Speaker 3: we have failed to do. So now is the time

901
00:42:21,293 --> 00:42:24,133
Speaker 3: to do it. But just when we're talking about success

902
00:42:24,293 --> 00:42:26,813
Speaker 3: and a lot of people listening out there, everyone I

903
00:42:26,813 --> 00:42:29,292
Speaker 3: think has had success to a certain level, right, most

904
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:31,933
Speaker 3: people would have some real losers out there, Tyler, Oh,

905
00:42:31,933 --> 00:42:33,573
Speaker 3: there certainly are. Yeah, no, no, no doubt about it.

906
00:42:33,573 --> 00:42:34,533
Speaker 2: Actually, what's successive?

907
00:42:34,573 --> 00:42:34,893
Speaker 15: You had?

908
00:42:35,093 --> 00:42:35,133
Speaker 6: No?

909
00:42:35,293 --> 00:42:37,893
Speaker 2: Actually, so we're being positive. We're being positive.

910
00:42:38,053 --> 00:42:39,533
Speaker 3: You know, my secrets is success?

911
00:42:39,573 --> 00:42:42,573
Speaker 2: Think being my assistant on the mat and Tyler afternoons

912
00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:43,493
Speaker 2: is a huge success.

913
00:42:43,533 --> 00:42:46,253
Speaker 3: I have improvising information on a lot of people in

914
00:42:46,293 --> 00:42:49,373
Speaker 3: this building and that has got I am today joking.

915
00:42:50,253 --> 00:42:52,093
Speaker 2: Apologies, what were you saying that?

916
00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:55,133
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people listening that would

917
00:42:55,173 --> 00:42:57,893
Speaker 3: have had various amounts of success. But the lessons that

918
00:42:57,933 --> 00:43:00,053
Speaker 3: were learned along the way, because I think maybe that's

919
00:43:00,093 --> 00:43:02,293
Speaker 3: where some of it comes from. It might be you know,

920
00:43:02,293 --> 00:43:03,773
Speaker 3: and I kind of hate the word, but whether it

921
00:43:03,813 --> 00:43:06,853
Speaker 3: is becoming more resilient or learning that failure is not

922
00:43:06,893 --> 00:43:09,493
Speaker 3: necessarily a bad thing. All those things, those lessons that

923
00:43:09,533 --> 00:43:12,853
Speaker 3: you learn hopefully when you actually do something that is

924
00:43:12,933 --> 00:43:15,773
Speaker 3: worth a worth a dime, Yeah, is perhaps you know

925
00:43:15,813 --> 00:43:18,692
Speaker 3: that forms the whole philosophy about what success is.

926
00:43:18,973 --> 00:43:23,573
Speaker 2: Well throughout the hour, I will sprinkle in these philosophies

927
00:43:23,613 --> 00:43:27,053
Speaker 2: from these three very successful New Zealander Starting with Elise Andrews,

928
00:43:27,493 --> 00:43:29,613
Speaker 2: she says, it's important to recognize that not every day

929
00:43:29,653 --> 00:43:31,733
Speaker 2: is going to be a positive one. I am the

930
00:43:31,813 --> 00:43:34,013
Speaker 2: human and that's okay. Positively for me is rooted in

931
00:43:34,053 --> 00:43:37,013
Speaker 2: self belief, clear direction, and life balance. It is more

932
00:43:37,133 --> 00:43:39,053
Speaker 2: than turning up with a smile on my face. It

933
00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:41,853
Speaker 2: is the behavior's routines and strategies I practice every day

934
00:43:41,893 --> 00:43:43,853
Speaker 2: to ensure I can get to the start line and

935
00:43:43,853 --> 00:43:46,493
Speaker 2: the best mental state possible. Being an athlete is my

936
00:43:46,573 --> 00:43:49,373
Speaker 2: job and passion. However, being happy, healthy and balanced is

937
00:43:49,373 --> 00:43:52,533
Speaker 2: what really matters the most. The positivity I draw from

938
00:43:52,733 --> 00:43:55,212
Speaker 2: that is the most powerful energy I could possibly bring

939
00:43:55,253 --> 00:43:57,813
Speaker 2: to my goal of being the best athlete and version

940
00:43:57,893 --> 00:44:00,732
Speaker 2: of myself I can be there. You go, there's her,

941
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:06,133
Speaker 2: her philosophy for success. I imagine that that would work

942
00:44:05,853 --> 00:44:07,732
Speaker 2: for whatever you happen to be doing.

943
00:44:07,853 --> 00:44:11,133
Speaker 3: Yep, oh oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty the phone

944
00:44:11,133 --> 00:44:14,173
Speaker 3: lines of let up. If you can't get through, keep trying.

945
00:44:14,693 --> 00:44:21,172
Speaker 3: But let's get into it. It is eleven past two.

946
00:44:20,333 --> 00:44:23,733
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

947
00:44:23,773 --> 00:44:27,693
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk zed.

948
00:44:27,613 --> 00:44:31,413
Speaker 3: B, News Talk zed B, and we are talking about

949
00:44:31,453 --> 00:44:34,253
Speaker 3: what are the secrets to success? This is on the

950
00:44:34,293 --> 00:44:37,173
Speaker 3: back of a new editorial campaign by n zed ME

951
00:44:37,973 --> 00:44:41,333
Speaker 3: to tell stories of success and inspiration from across the country.

952
00:44:41,453 --> 00:44:44,813
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to a person with a very successful

953
00:44:44,853 --> 00:44:48,813
Speaker 2: and powerful sounding name, Heath. Welcome to the show.

954
00:44:49,893 --> 00:44:50,893
Speaker 6: It's a good name, isn't it.

955
00:44:51,053 --> 00:44:54,933
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I never trust anyone with a I always

956
00:44:54,973 --> 00:44:58,172
Speaker 2: say this, I never trust anyone with a first name

957
00:44:58,173 --> 00:44:59,813
Speaker 2: for a last name, including myself.

958
00:45:00,453 --> 00:45:03,573
Speaker 6: But you're I wouldn't. I wouldn't trust an with the

959
00:45:03,613 --> 00:45:05,973
Speaker 6: last Yeah.

960
00:45:05,613 --> 00:45:08,293
Speaker 2: Well said, Well, now we've told everyone not to try

961
00:45:08,533 --> 00:45:12,093
Speaker 2: either of us. What's your philosophy on success?

962
00:45:12,133 --> 00:45:14,293
Speaker 6: Well, I just got an exciting story for you that

963
00:45:14,653 --> 00:45:16,253
Speaker 6: I never thought i'd be telling you one Like I

964
00:45:16,253 --> 00:45:18,173
Speaker 6: got to a bit of a crisis point at the

965
00:45:18,253 --> 00:45:20,293
Speaker 6: end of my seventies and I'd taken my university as

966
00:45:20,333 --> 00:45:23,253
Speaker 6: far as I could without really branching into it. And

967
00:45:23,573 --> 00:45:26,373
Speaker 6: I was working for an internet company that were just

968
00:45:26,373 --> 00:45:28,253
Speaker 6: just as just when an internet was getting big. We're

969
00:45:28,293 --> 00:45:31,853
Speaker 6: working with aiding seas and things like that, and I

970
00:45:32,013 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 6: had a bit of a falling out with the guys

971
00:45:33,853 --> 00:45:36,573
Speaker 6: we were partners with, and I just started teaching music

972
00:45:36,573 --> 00:45:38,613
Speaker 6: again part time like I did when I was at university,

973
00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:40,973
Speaker 6: and a guitar, bass and drums and all that sort

974
00:45:40,973 --> 00:45:42,213
Speaker 6: of thing. In My dad said why do you do

975
00:45:42,293 --> 00:45:43,692
Speaker 6: that for a job, And I was like, nah, I can't.

976
00:45:43,733 --> 00:45:46,813
Speaker 6: It's not a real job. You know. I'm getting paid

977
00:45:46,893 --> 00:45:49,373
Speaker 6: sort of forty bucks an hour to work out number.

978
00:45:49,133 --> 00:45:50,013
Speaker 5: Of the beast or whatever.

979
00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:52,853
Speaker 6: So I was just really pretty happy with that. But

980
00:45:52,893 --> 00:45:55,093
Speaker 6: I was only making like twenty grand thirty grand a

981
00:45:55,173 --> 00:45:57,773
Speaker 6: year at the most working mys off, but it was

982
00:45:57,813 --> 00:46:00,413
Speaker 6: a lot better. But sticking at it and just staying

983
00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:03,613
Speaker 6: in there, and you know, so twenty years later, I'm

984
00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:06,693
Speaker 6: working for a lot less than I used to and

985
00:46:06,773 --> 00:46:09,413
Speaker 6: making a really good wage paid the house off, got

986
00:46:09,413 --> 00:46:12,613
Speaker 6: another couple of rentals, and I just sort of think,

987
00:46:12,653 --> 00:46:15,613
Speaker 6: if you stick with what you really love and stay

988
00:46:15,693 --> 00:46:18,252
Speaker 6: with it and hang in there, you'll get what you want.

989
00:46:19,333 --> 00:46:22,533
Speaker 6: But I was also to say, with success, I think

990
00:46:22,613 --> 00:46:25,173
Speaker 6: sometimes we're gonna be careful about what we call success,

991
00:46:25,173 --> 00:46:27,933
Speaker 6: because I don't think it's always about the cash, you

992
00:46:27,973 --> 00:46:31,053
Speaker 6: know about or the family it's about if you can

993
00:46:31,093 --> 00:46:33,293
Speaker 6: do what you want to do and get by and

994
00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:36,013
Speaker 6: I love it and not regret getting out of bed.

995
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:37,173
Speaker 6: You're in a good place.

996
00:46:37,853 --> 00:46:41,533
Speaker 2: So he absolutely, How did you so you know you're

997
00:46:41,573 --> 00:46:43,373
Speaker 2: just teaching guitar.

998
00:46:44,173 --> 00:46:47,053
Speaker 6: I'm teaching both coach bands and your different instruments and things.

999
00:46:47,373 --> 00:46:49,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then how did you how did

1000
00:46:49,573 --> 00:46:52,333
Speaker 2: you move that up to being you know, a more

1001
00:46:52,413 --> 00:46:56,053
Speaker 2: lucrative operation from you saying you're on twenty grand a year.

1002
00:46:56,053 --> 00:46:57,093
Speaker 2: How did it move up? If you did?

1003
00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:57,213
Speaker 20: You?

1004
00:46:57,413 --> 00:47:00,333
Speaker 6: Right? Yeah, right, good, good question. I basically got a

1005
00:47:00,333 --> 00:47:02,933
Speaker 6: bit more strategic about it. So instead of teaching sort

1006
00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:05,173
Speaker 6: of one person at home or at their house and

1007
00:47:05,253 --> 00:47:08,573
Speaker 6: fifty bucks an hour, I would teach you know, four

1008
00:47:08,653 --> 00:47:10,893
Speaker 6: or five people for twenty five bucks an hour and

1009
00:47:10,933 --> 00:47:14,573
Speaker 6: a half hour list so things like that, or they're

1010
00:47:14,613 --> 00:47:16,093
Speaker 6: in coaching is quite good. You've a lot a lot

1011
00:47:16,133 --> 00:47:18,573
Speaker 6: of work behind the scenes, you know, lots of work.

1012
00:47:18,653 --> 00:47:21,933
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, so just basically getting more people one

1013
00:47:21,973 --> 00:47:24,693
Speaker 6: but it also getting better organized, you know, just answering

1014
00:47:24,773 --> 00:47:26,973
Speaker 6: if if someone calls you call them back straight away,

1015
00:47:27,093 --> 00:47:29,773
Speaker 6: so that emails you straight away. And just so usually

1016
00:47:29,853 --> 00:47:31,893
Speaker 6: with parents and kids, you know they want to know

1017
00:47:32,173 --> 00:47:33,692
Speaker 6: that they're kind of being looked after. And if you're

1018
00:47:33,733 --> 00:47:36,253
Speaker 6: really onto it and just respond, you're made. How many

1019
00:47:36,253 --> 00:47:38,133
Speaker 6: people stick with you, you know, they trust you a

1020
00:47:38,173 --> 00:47:40,573
Speaker 6: lot more and don't mind paying you.

1021
00:47:41,093 --> 00:47:43,732
Speaker 2: That's fantastic. If you can do what you love and

1022
00:47:43,893 --> 00:47:47,053
Speaker 2: be financially secure, then that is success in my boy.

1023
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:49,293
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't believe it.

1024
00:47:49,333 --> 00:47:50,172
Speaker 6: I can't believe it.

1025
00:47:50,293 --> 00:47:52,453
Speaker 3: Did you worry about that when you went that way

1026
00:47:52,533 --> 00:47:54,093
Speaker 3: or you got to a point we said, you know what,

1027
00:47:54,253 --> 00:47:56,692
Speaker 3: I don't give us stuff. It's it's going to work

1028
00:47:56,853 --> 00:47:57,652
Speaker 3: and I'm going to love it.

1029
00:47:57,733 --> 00:47:58,293
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1030
00:47:58,493 --> 00:48:00,453
Speaker 6: I was loving about my mum and Dad's deli and

1031
00:48:00,493 --> 00:48:02,573
Speaker 6: hum Bay and not paying any rent. So I just

1032
00:48:03,173 --> 00:48:07,293
Speaker 6: spent on money on Gypsons and Fenders and then I've

1033
00:48:07,293 --> 00:48:09,652
Speaker 6: only Almo makes it and w and the I don't care.

1034
00:48:09,653 --> 00:48:12,413
Speaker 6: I've got cool guitars and they're just sort.

1035
00:48:12,293 --> 00:48:16,813
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, you're saying that. You know, you're teaching a

1036
00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:18,413
Speaker 2: lot of iron, Maide, And what do the kids want

1037
00:48:18,453 --> 00:48:21,813
Speaker 2: to learn now? What's the what's the music they want

1038
00:48:21,813 --> 00:48:22,252
Speaker 2: to learn? Now?

1039
00:48:22,933 --> 00:48:25,413
Speaker 6: It depends in the area. Like when I work in Devenport,

1040
00:48:25,453 --> 00:48:28,773
Speaker 6: they are a little bit more poppy and stuff like that.

1041
00:48:28,893 --> 00:48:32,373
Speaker 6: Up and up in the bays are all real A C. D.

1042
00:48:32,533 --> 00:48:36,893
Speaker 21: C Rockets people, Bruno Mars Song and they all.

1043
00:48:36,813 --> 00:48:40,133
Speaker 6: Screw their faces up and in the area it's still

1044
00:48:40,173 --> 00:48:42,053
Speaker 6: of anything goes, but they're all kind of different. But

1045
00:48:42,133 --> 00:48:44,853
Speaker 6: they seemed to be still really And I was just

1046
00:48:45,053 --> 00:48:48,212
Speaker 6: coaching now and we were doing what are we doing?

1047
00:48:48,293 --> 00:48:50,652
Speaker 6: We're doing bullet with butterfly wings and in the name

1048
00:48:50,693 --> 00:48:58,853
Speaker 6: of the anguish entry so pretty, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1049
00:48:59,173 --> 00:49:00,933
Speaker 6: because I was.

1050
00:49:00,773 --> 00:49:03,373
Speaker 2: Thinking about the other day as showing someone, you know,

1051
00:49:03,453 --> 00:49:06,493
Speaker 2: the first ref they ever play, and I thought that

1052
00:49:07,133 --> 00:49:09,413
Speaker 2: it used to be another one bites the dust, but

1053
00:49:09,413 --> 00:49:12,253
Speaker 2: now it's seven Nation Army. If you're teaching someone based.

1054
00:49:13,253 --> 00:49:14,893
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's too string Army.

1055
00:49:14,893 --> 00:49:17,893
Speaker 11: It's a bit of a step up, exactly.

1056
00:49:19,213 --> 00:49:20,853
Speaker 3: Heith, do you want to give a wee shout out

1057
00:49:20,853 --> 00:49:21,573
Speaker 3: for your business?

1058
00:49:22,093 --> 00:49:25,172
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm just childre Heath Watson Guitar dot com.

1059
00:49:25,173 --> 00:49:26,813
Speaker 6: But I teach other instruments and if you go to

1060
00:49:26,853 --> 00:49:28,933
Speaker 6: my website you can find me in all the rest

1061
00:49:29,013 --> 00:49:31,453
Speaker 6: and open for seven etc.

1062
00:49:32,693 --> 00:49:34,813
Speaker 2: If you need to be taught a seven Ancient Nathan

1063
00:49:34,893 --> 00:49:37,013
Speaker 2: Army at three thirty am. Heath will be.

1064
00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:42,293
Speaker 3: Around else anything else, Thank you, very much.

1065
00:49:42,253 --> 00:49:44,692
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Heath. I think the point he

1066
00:49:44,773 --> 00:49:47,253
Speaker 2: made there, which is a really good one. And I

1067
00:49:47,293 --> 00:49:49,213
Speaker 2: was doing the speech in christ Chitch the other day

1068
00:49:49,213 --> 00:49:50,973
Speaker 2: and someone asked me. There was a young person that

1069
00:49:51,053 --> 00:49:53,453
Speaker 2: asked me, you know, what advice would you give in

1070
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:56,493
Speaker 2: terms of picking the direction I'm going to go? And

1071
00:49:56,653 --> 00:49:58,212
Speaker 2: I was saying, well, I think a lot of kids

1072
00:49:58,213 --> 00:50:00,533
Speaker 2: get this sort of paralysis of decision making because there's

1073
00:50:00,533 --> 00:50:03,453
Speaker 2: so many options. But I think picking one thing and

1074
00:50:03,493 --> 00:50:06,133
Speaker 2: sticking at it and making it is it kind of

1075
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:08,053
Speaker 2: almost doesn't matter what you pick, as long as you

1076
00:50:08,093 --> 00:50:11,652
Speaker 2: pick it, and pick one thing that you care about

1077
00:50:11,693 --> 00:50:14,172
Speaker 2: a little bit and are passionate about it and keep

1078
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:16,292
Speaker 2: working at it, and it will eventually become something great.

1079
00:50:16,533 --> 00:50:19,413
Speaker 2: As opposed to this, there might be the absolute perfect

1080
00:50:19,413 --> 00:50:21,013
Speaker 2: thing you could pick, but the worst thing you can

1081
00:50:21,053 --> 00:50:22,573
Speaker 2: do is not start doing anything at all.

1082
00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:25,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1083
00:50:25,613 --> 00:50:32,293
Speaker 3: numbered call. Well there, it is beautiful, honest. Unless you

1084
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:34,613
Speaker 3: play that two hundred times over and over and over

1085
00:50:34,653 --> 00:50:37,933
Speaker 3: and over again, there'll be a lot of Pearents listening

1086
00:50:37,973 --> 00:50:39,533
Speaker 3: right now saying that, damn riff.

1087
00:50:39,893 --> 00:50:42,252
Speaker 2: It's a great place to start. Hard to sing along

1088
00:50:42,293 --> 00:50:42,853
Speaker 2: and play.

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Speaker 3: This great yeah, great tune. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. It is twenty past two.

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Speaker 2: We're looking for your secrets to success.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons. Call oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZV afternoon twenty two past two, and we're talking about

1095
00:51:06,333 --> 00:51:08,773
Speaker 3: the secrets to success on the back of the On

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00:51:08,893 --> 00:51:11,213
Speaker 3: the Up campaign that ends in me is currently running

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00:51:11,293 --> 00:51:15,013
Speaker 3: telling success stories from some of our most successful people.

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Speaker 2: And in the Herald today Les Mills, who's ninety, his

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Speaker 2: philosophy success was get on with it. Obviously. He was

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Speaker 2: a trailblazer or sport, business and politics. And you know

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Speaker 2: I've got the Les Mill Jim's Comwealth Games champion, full

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00:51:29,973 --> 00:51:35,453
Speaker 2: time Olympian, and he said, just let nature take its course.

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00:51:35,573 --> 00:51:37,893
Speaker 2: It's no good telling yourself, well I feel positive tomorrow

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00:51:37,973 --> 00:51:40,172
Speaker 2: or I feel negative tomorrow. You've just got to get

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Speaker 2: on with it. There you go, he said, to just

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Speaker 2: get on with it.

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Speaker 3: He was a massive unit back when he was an athlete,

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00:51:44,813 --> 00:51:45,093
Speaker 3: wasn't he.

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00:51:45,173 --> 00:51:48,253
Speaker 2: Yeah it was a discuss discuss, Yeah, having a discuss around,

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00:51:48,373 --> 00:51:50,773
Speaker 2: but of a shot put. Yeah, and then opening gym's

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00:51:50,853 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 2: definitely rode that wave les Mills is synonymous with gyms.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely an.

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00:51:57,933 --> 00:52:00,373
Speaker 2: Activity at those gym. Success comes in many forms. Some

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00:52:00,413 --> 00:52:02,893
Speaker 2: say money, some say pushing through every day. I made

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00:52:02,933 --> 00:52:06,053
Speaker 2: many mistakes in my life. Suicidal at fifteen or sixteen,

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00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:09,692
Speaker 2: drug addiction and alcohol issues as a coping mechanism from

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00:52:09,773 --> 00:52:13,173
Speaker 2: childhood trauma. Was a mom at eighteen, single mother. I

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00:52:13,253 --> 00:52:16,533
Speaker 2: now have three children, began my studies towards becoming a teacher,

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00:52:16,613 --> 00:52:19,013
Speaker 2: got off the benefit which I was on for ten years.

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Speaker 2: I'm now working full time. I'm not rich, but I'm

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00:52:21,493 --> 00:52:23,733
Speaker 2: pulling my own way. And I have my beautiful children

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00:52:23,733 --> 00:52:26,413
Speaker 2: who strive each day to teach them how and I

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00:52:26,413 --> 00:52:28,613
Speaker 2: strive each day to teach them how you can be

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00:52:28,653 --> 00:52:31,292
Speaker 2: the best you can be and rise from failure, learning

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Speaker 2: how to make things work. It's okay not to be okay,

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00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:37,373
Speaker 2: ask for help, make a plan. Many setbacks can happen,

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00:52:37,413 --> 00:52:40,173
Speaker 2: but keep pushing through. Every day is a new opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Bless you.

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Speaker 3: That is the glass half full that we're talking about here.

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Speaker 2: Love that you are definitely a success. Sue are you there?

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00:52:50,613 --> 00:52:50,693
Speaker 6: So?

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00:52:50,853 --> 00:52:51,093
Speaker 2: Sue?

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00:52:51,173 --> 00:52:52,013
Speaker 3: So soon?

1134
00:52:52,773 --> 00:52:53,213
Speaker 2: Here you are?

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Speaker 3: Bo oh bo Okay, my bow oh bo.

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Speaker 2: I've had I'm talking about success and I've had a

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00:53:00,933 --> 00:53:03,493
Speaker 2: huge failure River already by calling you Sue and not

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00:53:03,573 --> 00:53:07,253
Speaker 2: bo bo talk us through your your success, a.

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Speaker 21: Boy called Sue or something like that, isn't there. I'm

1140
00:53:10,613 --> 00:53:12,853
Speaker 21: not so, I'm not so, I'm a bot, but I

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00:53:12,933 --> 00:53:14,853
Speaker 21: think you having me online. And first of all, thank

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00:53:14,893 --> 00:53:18,333
Speaker 21: you for NDM for doing a celebratory piece for people

1143
00:53:18,333 --> 00:53:19,893
Speaker 21: in businesses. I think it should happen more in New

1144
00:53:19,973 --> 00:53:25,293
Speaker 21: Zealand status. But the second thing is I'm not calling

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00:53:25,373 --> 00:53:28,333
Speaker 21: about my own success because even though this is something

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00:53:28,373 --> 00:53:30,973
Speaker 21: I've done, like in the last twelve months, I'm actually

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00:53:31,453 --> 00:53:34,573
Speaker 21: really really proud for my community because it's not just

1148
00:53:35,053 --> 00:53:37,853
Speaker 21: mine and my staff's success. It's actually been a massive

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00:53:38,293 --> 00:53:40,533
Speaker 21: success story for our community, which makes me it's like

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00:53:40,613 --> 00:53:42,653
Speaker 21: the most proud of what's happened.

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00:53:44,893 --> 00:53:48,413
Speaker 3: And so what have you? You've purchased some businesses? Is

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00:53:48,413 --> 00:53:48,853
Speaker 3: that right?

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00:53:50,533 --> 00:53:53,213
Speaker 21: So many years ago in my first job was actually

1154
00:53:53,293 --> 00:53:56,613
Speaker 21: with Times Media, which has been a long standing community

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00:53:56,653 --> 00:53:59,893
Speaker 21: newspaper in East Aalkland. So it's in its fifty third

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00:53:59,973 --> 00:54:04,093
Speaker 21: year of being in the East Aalkland area and the

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00:54:04,133 --> 00:54:07,173
Speaker 21: last fifteen years they had a rural living community newspaper

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00:54:07,213 --> 00:54:10,973
Speaker 21: in the Franklin region, and due to the changing media

1159
00:54:11,053 --> 00:54:14,212
Speaker 21: landscape and what's been going on, sadly, they went into

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00:54:14,253 --> 00:54:18,812
Speaker 21: liquidation this time a year ago. And at first, even

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00:54:18,853 --> 00:54:21,693
Speaker 21: though I was family friends with the owners and I

1162
00:54:21,773 --> 00:54:23,973
Speaker 21: knew sort of what was coming for a little while,

1163
00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:29,172
Speaker 21: when it actually happened and I saw the kick back

1164
00:54:29,173 --> 00:54:32,333
Speaker 21: from the community and how much it was affecting them,

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00:54:32,533 --> 00:54:34,853
Speaker 21: I actually sat back and even though I've got marketing

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00:54:34,893 --> 00:54:38,333
Speaker 21: and advertising experience, I couldn't actually think how were our

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00:54:38,373 --> 00:54:39,693
Speaker 21: community going to stay connected?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 21: And I think people just really trust community newspapers. So

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00:54:46,013 --> 00:54:50,533
Speaker 21: I basically put myself forward to the liquidators and worked

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Speaker 21: with them. You know, interesting process buying a business alone,

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Speaker 21: let alone buying a liquidated business. It's a difficult process

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00:54:56,653 --> 00:55:01,413
Speaker 21: in itself. But yeah, I think that what needed to

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Speaker 21: happen was, yes, the media landscape has changed, but actually

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Speaker 21: if you can intertwine technology wor print and get that

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Speaker 21: right balance. But the key key thing to community newspapers

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Speaker 21: is connecting the community. Yeah, and once you've followed that,

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Speaker 21: not the dollar, then you've you've.

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Speaker 6: Got it right.

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Speaker 3: Certainly a brave thing to do and I think I

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Speaker 3: know who I'm chatting to now, Bo Burns, Is that right, Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's yeah, yeah, Well incredibly brave and nothing against community newspapers,

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Speaker 3: but we knew how much how many challenges they were facing.

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Speaker 3: And so you mentioned there about the power for the

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Speaker 3: community versus the financial returns. How are things looking like

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Speaker 3: now for the Times?

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Speaker 21: Amazing? So we're now at sixty four pages each issue.

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00:55:45,733 --> 00:55:49,493
Speaker 21: We launched the Franklin Times last month and same thing.

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Speaker 21: And I think that when you can deliver a quality

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Speaker 21: product that truly connects the community, then the advertising comes,

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Speaker 21: and that comes because they can see the result. They

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Speaker 21: can see I mean, you know, like we don't ever

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00:56:01,813 --> 00:56:03,573
Speaker 21: have any paper sift over in the bins, like we

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00:56:03,573 --> 00:56:05,253
Speaker 21: can't keep up with the print run and that sort

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Speaker 21: of thing. We won't go back to weekly. That just

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Speaker 21: you know, they think the balance is right going fortnightly

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Speaker 21: and that's the thing. But I think financially it's going really,

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Speaker 21: really well, and it means that we were one of

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Speaker 21: the lucky partners to be chosen to have a partnership

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Speaker 21: with Google. And you know, I like to think of

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Speaker 21: the more money that can come in, we can invest

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Speaker 21: in things like getting community podcasts going and put it

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Speaker 21: back into the community.

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Speaker 2: Did you So, were you successful in other businesses before

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Speaker 2: you went into this situation.

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Speaker 21: I've got our company, just a small promotional marketing company.

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Speaker 21: I've had for twenty two years. It's just more sort

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Speaker 21: of localized company, so not a larger scale project like

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Speaker 21: this one. But yeah, so I had been a self

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Speaker 21: employee for twenty two years. But I liked what you

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Speaker 21: said before. I think you said Lismels, you know, do

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00:56:56,933 --> 00:56:59,213
Speaker 21: what you love. And the thing for me is, I

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Speaker 21: think that I love marketing and advertising, but I love

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Speaker 21: my people. So I think that I've found my thing

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Speaker 21: that I just you know, I feel like I'm a

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Speaker 21: bit of a connector in the ammenity. I can help

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Speaker 21: the community via you know, putting out a great community newspaper.

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Speaker 2: Oh good on your Bow and look let's text here.

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Speaker 2: I can attest for Boat. She is absolutely amazing, Sis Texter.

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Speaker 3: Oh heads off to her. I mean, buying up a

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00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:26,053
Speaker 3: community newspaper when a lot of them were failing. Incredibly

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00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:27,973
Speaker 3: brave thing to do, but clearly it worked out for

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Speaker 3: Bow and the people.

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Speaker 2: How the Great New Zealand and Mars text define success though, guys,

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00:57:33,013 --> 00:57:35,133
Speaker 2: is it how many cars or houses or batches you

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00:57:35,173 --> 00:57:37,133
Speaker 2: have and how many wheel trips you go on? Or

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00:57:37,173 --> 00:57:39,733
Speaker 2: is it me that has a small but comfortable house

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00:57:39,733 --> 00:57:42,733
Speaker 2: a business. I can work when I want in I

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00:57:42,813 --> 00:57:45,293
Speaker 2: go hunting, surfing, fishing in my small boat. I don't

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00:57:45,333 --> 00:57:47,653
Speaker 2: have a lot of money, but I feel very successful.

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00:57:47,853 --> 00:57:50,533
Speaker 2: I'm happy with no stresses in life. That has success

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Speaker 2: in my eyes. Mars I think it is Yep, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I agree absolutely. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is

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00:57:56,773 --> 00:57:59,973
Speaker 3: the number to call. What does success look like to you?

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00:58:00,053 --> 00:58:02,573
Speaker 3: And what are your secrets of success? Love to hear

1236
00:58:02,613 --> 00:58:05,613
Speaker 3: from you. It is twenty nine past two.

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00:58:07,213 --> 00:58:11,013
Speaker 16: Youth talks'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no

1238
00:58:11,173 --> 00:58:14,453
Speaker 16: trouble with a blue bubble you as President Donald Trump

1239
00:58:14,493 --> 00:58:18,213
Speaker 16: says he doesn't want his widespread tariffs to force markets down,

1240
00:58:18,613 --> 00:58:21,333
Speaker 16: but sometimes you have to take medicine to fix something.

1241
00:58:21,773 --> 00:58:25,533
Speaker 16: Global uncertainty continues, with the nz at X fifty down

1242
00:58:25,613 --> 00:58:28,853
Speaker 16: more than three and a half percent today. Asian markets

1243
00:58:28,893 --> 00:58:34,173
Speaker 16: also plummeted, with Japan's NIQUE down about six percent. Ten

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Speaker 16: trucks are battling a large fire in christ Church's Bromly

1245
00:58:37,293 --> 00:58:41,973
Speaker 16: pumping black smoke across the city. Police are considering charges

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00:58:42,013 --> 00:58:44,653
Speaker 16: for a forty six year old man arrested at Auckland's

1247
00:58:44,893 --> 00:58:48,213
Speaker 16: Smart Stadium on Saturday after an assault that left a

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00:58:48,253 --> 00:58:53,893
Speaker 16: man needing facial surgery. The Cemeteries and Crematoria Association says

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00:58:53,893 --> 00:58:56,973
Speaker 16: the government is doing nothing on needed law reform of

1250
00:58:57,053 --> 00:59:02,013
Speaker 16: funeral practices, with progress stalled since twenty twenty one. MB

1251
00:59:02,213 --> 00:59:07,453
Speaker 16: says twenty eight thousand dangerous serene bathroom heaters still installed

1252
00:59:07,493 --> 00:59:11,133
Speaker 16: in Kiwi Ho need to be removed because of fire risk,

1253
00:59:11,173 --> 00:59:14,413
Speaker 16: which will increase in time. It says they cause two

1254
00:59:14,453 --> 00:59:20,653
Speaker 16: fires over Christmas Coral Graveyard. Environmentalists blame deep sea damage

1255
00:59:20,693 --> 00:59:23,493
Speaker 16: on New Zealand trawlers. You can read more at Enzen

1256
00:59:23,533 --> 00:59:33,853
Speaker 16: Herald Premium. Back to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZB, very very good afternoon to you. It

1258
00:59:33,013 --> 00:59:35,013
Speaker 3: is twenty seven to three and we're talking about what

1259
00:59:35,053 --> 00:59:37,693
Speaker 3: are the secrets of success. It's on the back of

1260
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,893
Speaker 3: a campaign that started today launched by nzed ME and

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00:59:41,933 --> 00:59:45,053
Speaker 3: it is telling stories of success and inspiration from across

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00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:47,733
Speaker 3: New Zealand. But I think we can all agree we

1263
00:59:47,773 --> 00:59:49,853
Speaker 3: need a little bit more positivity. We need a little

1264
00:59:49,853 --> 00:59:53,733
Speaker 3: bit more pumping ourselves up as individuals and as a country.

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00:59:54,013 --> 00:59:57,973
Speaker 2: Well we're in this article. They had philosophy success from

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00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:01,333
Speaker 2: Aleis Andrews, the Olympic Cyclistles Mills, We are nor Hairs

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01:00:01,333 --> 01:00:04,373
Speaker 2: and Makaia Carr, who is one of New Zealand's earliest

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01:00:04,373 --> 01:00:08,013
Speaker 2: online influences. As well as being an entrepreneur, businessman woman,

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01:00:08,693 --> 01:00:11,773
Speaker 2: she says, instead of wasting energy on things she couldn't change,

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Speaker 2: she directed to her family and work. I love my

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01:00:16,973 --> 01:00:19,693
Speaker 2: mahi because it's not just sitting back and moaning that

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01:00:19,813 --> 01:00:22,333
Speaker 2: things aren't going right or things aren't where they should be.

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01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:25,973
Speaker 2: Be the change you want, She says. It may feel

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01:00:26,013 --> 01:00:27,653
Speaker 2: like a losing battle of times, but as long as

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01:00:27,653 --> 01:00:29,493
Speaker 2: we're doing the best we can with what we have,

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01:00:29,693 --> 01:00:32,453
Speaker 2: then that's really all we can expect from ourselves and

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01:00:32,493 --> 01:00:34,893
Speaker 2: then just hope that the world works itself out.

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Speaker 3: Yep Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1279
01:00:38,013 --> 01:00:41,093
Speaker 3: number to call. What is been your secrets to success?

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Speaker 2: This Texas is be versatile and flexible. Look for a

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01:00:44,733 --> 01:00:50,653
Speaker 2: vocation that has channels to additional alternative industries. Perifal awareness awareness.

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01:00:50,733 --> 01:00:54,013
Speaker 2: It's from Rusty Very Good, Rusty, Thank you, Aaron, but

1283
01:00:54,053 --> 01:00:55,333
Speaker 2: look Ai, but it's good from.

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01:00:55,213 --> 01:00:58,293
Speaker 3: Your rusty How are Aaron Aaron your thoughts on success?

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Speaker 4: Well, hopefully this is inspirational to some people. Had sort

1286
01:01:02,093 --> 01:01:04,733
Speaker 4: of had a mixed life dispose. I had some challenges

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01:01:04,773 --> 01:01:08,573
Speaker 4: my five miscarriages before we finally had children. Really what

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01:01:08,693 --> 01:01:12,013
Speaker 4: a children? Took a while, then gave up and has

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01:01:12,133 --> 01:01:14,933
Speaker 4: had one, and then had not chess characters, and then

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01:01:15,013 --> 01:01:17,213
Speaker 4: gave up again and had the second one. So the

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Speaker 4: lessons to give up, I think. But alongside that, I

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01:01:21,453 --> 01:01:25,373
Speaker 4: had a career in it and basically that's just you know,

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Speaker 4: that was a success on its saying, but in terms

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Speaker 4: of what I did. But my wife passed away in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty, leaving me with a five year old and

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Speaker 4: a ten year old. She had made a new un disease,

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Speaker 4: so I looked after her for about sixty years actually,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, it was a tough time. But alongside my career,

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Speaker 4: I invested in little investment groups and I learned from

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Speaker 4: a guy who passed away unfortunately joined it down but

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Speaker 4: looking for undervalued companies and they started my first investment

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Speaker 4: in the group in nineteen eighty nine and saw how

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Speaker 4: my own investments crashed in eighty seven and how people

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Speaker 4: were jumping out of windows and all that in eighty

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Speaker 4: seven in the US because of what happened, and thought,

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Speaker 4: I need to learn a got away and Joe's way

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01:02:07,133 --> 01:02:09,493
Speaker 4: that he taught me really made a difference. And I've

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Speaker 4: now basically joined twenty three groups in that time since

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Speaker 4: since eighty nine, and my investments basically have grown to

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Speaker 4: five point seven million in the groups and we're just

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Speaker 4: Mum and Dad investors one hundred all of the month

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Speaker 4: type things. And I put more money in when I could.

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Speaker 4: I've got major doundant from one of my jobs and

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Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen, and that helped because I put all

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Speaker 4: that money into the groups as well, and I was

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Speaker 4: able to put work and as I said, look after

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Speaker 4: my wife and the children, and I haven't gone back

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Speaker 4: to full time work since since then. I just do

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Speaker 4: the investment groups I'm investing now and basically the net

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Speaker 4: profit I've made at full points of a million from

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Speaker 4: all these little groups that anyone can join. And I

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Speaker 4: just don't understand why a lot of the more people

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Speaker 4: don't don't look at that sort of stuff. You know,

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Speaker 4: I've been I've actually helped a lot of friends through

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Speaker 4: people I used to work with in the companies and

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Speaker 4: also you know, relatives and whatnot through through the same thing.

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Speaker 4: And now I actually look at investing in small businesses

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Speaker 4: that need a bit of help from time to time.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at a little restaurant and take Abnu's who's

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Speaker 4: suffered through COVID and whatnot and helping them at the

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Speaker 4: moment with new ideas and one of the world. So

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Speaker 4: it's been a mixed and mixed career and a lot

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Speaker 4: of challenges. But I think you know, what I wanted

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Speaker 4: to say is that first of all, you know you

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Speaker 4: can pull through it, and people do. And secondly, you know,

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Speaker 4: even with the crash that's going on at the moment,

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Speaker 4: you know, we just thought about these employees thrown out

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Speaker 4: the scenes. I've probably lost maybe about a million dollars

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Speaker 4: over the next the last few days, but I don't

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Speaker 4: see that as a problem, which I means it's investing

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Speaker 4: and I know it'll turn around again in the future.

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Speaker 4: Whereas over the years I've seen people pull out of

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Speaker 4: these groups when the markets go down and panic and

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Speaker 4: probably never get back into she Is because have been burned.

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Speaker 4: But that's the time really to turn around and invest.

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Speaker 2: So Aaron, you've you've had a roller coaster of a

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Speaker 2: life and you know, quite touching what you've been through.

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Speaker 2: To focus on investment, what do you need to see

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Speaker 2: in a company that's not doing a small company that's

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01:04:02,013 --> 01:04:04,213
Speaker 2: not doing doing well? What do you need to see

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Speaker 2: in it to think that it's investing.

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Speaker 4: So, first of all, the breakout value of the company,

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Speaker 4: and I want to call the breakout value of the

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Speaker 4: company when they've paid all the debts back and everything

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Speaker 4: has to be higher than the total value of the company.

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Speaker 4: You can buy the stong to change. That's my first

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Speaker 4: first for all though, look for that Joe taught me.

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Speaker 4: So that's it's called neat tangible assets. The intangible asis

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Speaker 4: of the company is going to be higher than the

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Speaker 4: share price. So when the share prices go down like this,

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Speaker 4: you're getting a bit of deal. And there's more companies

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Speaker 4: that fall into that.

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Speaker 5: Basket, you know.

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Speaker 4: But there's a lot of other things.

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Speaker 20: You know.

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Speaker 4: There's good directors as directors of there with shareholdings in

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Speaker 4: the company and they've got their own skin in the game,

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Speaker 4: if you like, and a lot of things we look

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Speaker 4: for across all the groups.

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Speaker 2: But what about say you're talking about investing in a

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Speaker 2: small restaurant. Did you say, oh, I see yes as well.

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Speaker 4: So that's just that's just because I've made that money

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Speaker 4: and I don't you know, I don't want to become

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Speaker 4: a multi billionaire or anything like that. I'm just trying

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Speaker 4: to help other people now through you know, just this.

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Speaker 4: This is just three it's not everything I'm doing a business,

1377
01:04:59,973 --> 01:05:02,573
Speaker 4: but it's basically I invest in with them that's if

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01:05:02,573 --> 01:05:05,213
Speaker 4: they need capital. But also some ideas in terms of

1379
01:05:05,293 --> 01:05:08,093
Speaker 4: had a tend things around from from my experiences as well.

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Speaker 3: So did you run this group Aeron? Is that how

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01:05:10,573 --> 01:05:13,093
Speaker 3: that works? So people would work for each group? Each

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01:05:13,133 --> 01:05:16,213
Speaker 3: group's independent. I just I'm a member of each group,

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01:05:16,253 --> 01:05:18,693
Speaker 3: and I've invested my money in each group. Each group

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Speaker 3: runs independent. They've got their own you know, they vote

1385
01:05:20,653 --> 01:05:22,973
Speaker 3: the cheapiats and treasurer and secretary. They're just I'm a

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Speaker 3: dad investors and.

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Speaker 4: I'm a member of all the groups that I am

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Speaker 4: part of. And then I do a lot of the

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Speaker 4: analysis for their companies and give them, you know, the

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01:05:31,773 --> 01:05:34,293
Speaker 4: recommendations I see as companies, and then they talk about

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Speaker 4: it in meetings or my email, depending on which you

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01:05:37,053 --> 01:05:39,373
Speaker 4: know where they are. There's people in Obasar's as well

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Speaker 4: that used to work to live in New Zealand that

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Speaker 4: are part of the groups now.

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Speaker 3: And I know people can take this with a grain

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01:05:46,213 --> 01:05:48,573
Speaker 3: of soldiers. They always should with financial advice. But what's

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Speaker 3: been the returns like for most of the group.

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Speaker 4: Oh so it does very because we've got some international groups,

1399
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Speaker 4: like you know, they're investing in the States as well.

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Speaker 4: But the longest running group is my group's called Civic Group,

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01:05:59,733 --> 01:06:01,493
Speaker 4: which is actually a lot of members from book and

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01:06:01,573 --> 01:06:05,133
Speaker 4: Council that started all that, and they've been they've just

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01:06:05,173 --> 01:06:08,173
Speaker 4: talked about forty two years of comparting returns of sixteen

1404
01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:11,293
Speaker 4: didn't want descent on average, so that some forty few

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01:06:11,373 --> 01:06:14,573
Speaker 4: years here. I didn't advise that group until nineteen ninety eight.

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01:06:15,133 --> 01:06:16,693
Speaker 4: I joined that group in ninety ninety eight, so twenty

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Speaker 4: seven years of that time. It is my time.

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Speaker 2: So where do you where do you? Where do you

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01:06:19,853 --> 01:06:20,733
Speaker 2: find your groups?

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Speaker 15: Eron?

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Speaker 2: How do you come across?

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Speaker 4: So I yeah, So I joined a group that was

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01:06:25,853 --> 01:06:28,893
Speaker 4: basically running through a company I worked for when I

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01:06:28,893 --> 01:06:32,293
Speaker 4: first started work, and nine eighty seven it was running

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01:06:32,333 --> 01:06:34,853
Speaker 4: the year and that was actually called Ministry of Transport

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01:06:34,933 --> 01:06:36,973
Speaker 4: group which is a motterin group and done so they

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01:06:36,973 --> 01:06:40,773
Speaker 4: don't exist anymore, but that group still runs and it's

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01:06:40,773 --> 01:06:43,293
Speaker 4: called Matrain group for example. So that was the best one.

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Speaker 4: And then Joe at the time was advising it for

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01:06:46,613 --> 01:06:49,773
Speaker 4: forty groups when he first when he first started, so

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Speaker 4: they heard about me as he retired from the groups

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01:06:54,013 --> 01:06:56,453
Speaker 4: and because he taught me. And so I've taken on

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01:06:56,533 --> 01:06:59,053
Speaker 4: a lot of the groups from that. But some members

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01:06:59,093 --> 01:07:01,053
Speaker 4: have also started in new groups that just approached me

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01:07:01,093 --> 01:07:02,693
Speaker 4: and saw me siven new group and they've started new

1426
01:07:02,733 --> 01:07:05,293
Speaker 4: groups themselves and asked me to join and advise them.

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01:07:05,773 --> 01:07:07,733
Speaker 4: I don't advice groups that I don't induce them because

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01:07:08,333 --> 01:07:09,413
Speaker 4: and I want to make sure I've got my money

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01:07:09,413 --> 01:07:12,333
Speaker 4: with my mouths. Yeah, and then give them the information

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01:07:12,413 --> 01:07:15,013
Speaker 4: and they make the decisions. It's not me that does that.

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Speaker 2: Well. Good on your erin fantastic And just before you go, Aaron,

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Speaker 2: how how you how are your kids going?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 4: They're good? So ones in year thirteen and it came

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01:07:25,893 --> 01:07:27,533
Speaker 4: to college and doing really well is the leader this

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Speaker 4: year and the other ones in year six and taking

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Speaker 4: Peny from me, and she's doing really well as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, really please to them. They're you know, they're

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01:07:34,133 --> 01:07:37,293
Speaker 4: both doing well because I've just got right attitudes anything.

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Speaker 2: It is great, it's good on your eron. It's good

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01:07:39,093 --> 01:07:39,373
Speaker 2: to hear that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is a hell of an attitude

1443
01:07:41,373 --> 01:07:44,333
Speaker 3: that Aaron's head, considering the challenges he's faced in life.

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Speaker 3: O one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. Will take more of your stories very shortly.

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Speaker 3: It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons news Talks.

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Speaker 6: It be.

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Speaker 3: News Talks, there Be, and we are talking to you

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Speaker 3: about the secrets to success in your own eyes. It's

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Speaker 3: on the back of a campaign ends in me launch

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Speaker 3: today called on the Yup. It's a campaign to tell

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Speaker 3: stories of success and inspiration from across the country.

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Speaker 2: Well as let's get a professional to describe, actually what's

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Speaker 2: going on? Is there some kind of pre organized package

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Speaker 2: that describe this initiative? It ended me. Everyone loves a

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01:08:25,572 --> 01:08:29,092
Speaker 2: good story, kiwis love telling them, and there's no better

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Speaker 2: time than now to tell stories that remind us we

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Speaker 2: live in a world of endless possibilities Because we all

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Speaker 2: know we live in a changing, challenging world. Sometimes we

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Speaker 2: all need those uplifting stories of New Zealand success and

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Speaker 2: inspiration where people roll up their sleeves, overcome the odds

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Speaker 2: and make a real difference. Everyone loves a good yarn

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Speaker 2: and we're here to tell them we're on the up read.

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Speaker 2: Listen and watch our new series every day with the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Herald. All right, it's a beautiful, beautiful read.

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Speaker 3: There was no one else available. Was that last minute

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Speaker 3: thing something where they come to you? I nicely said, though,

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Speaker 3: did you write those words yourself? There felt uplifting.

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Speaker 20: No.

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Speaker 2: I did not write those but I backed them one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent. And that's why we're doing this topic this hour.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about success. If you've been successful, what is

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Speaker 2: your philosophy that has led to that success? Rebecca, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 10: Hello, what a beautiful subject.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. And you've been somewhat successful in your life, Rebecca, Yes, First.

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Speaker 10: Of all, you know the previous callers, they're all amazing.

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Speaker 10: Bow Burns she's a duer like I've seen her around

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Speaker 10: and just get things done. And even how you're talking

1482
01:09:47,853 --> 01:09:50,532
Speaker 10: about les mails there's this thing, you know, you don't

1483
01:09:50,572 --> 01:09:52,612
Speaker 10: need to go off of fame. They're the people who

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01:09:52,772 --> 01:09:56,692
Speaker 10: just go up there and do things, and so that's

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Speaker 10: really impressive. You don't have to go find anything famous,

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01:10:00,293 --> 01:10:02,212
Speaker 10: you know, you don't have to be running a country

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Speaker 10: to make a difference in people's lives. I think you

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01:10:06,173 --> 01:10:10,052
Speaker 10: have to be a duer. That's one thing. Notice, I'm

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01:10:10,452 --> 01:10:16,253
Speaker 10: luckily financially independent, will live way well beyond my means.

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Speaker 10: So that's why I've gone a lot of money to

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01:10:18,812 --> 01:10:22,652
Speaker 10: invest in all that. So though my income keeps on

1492
01:10:22,732 --> 01:10:25,253
Speaker 10: going up, but my lifestyle doesn't go up. And I

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01:10:25,532 --> 01:10:29,093
Speaker 10: see that a lot of successful people who are not

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01:10:29,253 --> 01:10:32,333
Speaker 10: just money success, but just happy within what they have.

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01:10:33,893 --> 01:10:38,452
Speaker 10: So yeah, might be rambling. So go get a live

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01:10:38,532 --> 01:10:41,452
Speaker 10: well below your means and just be happy in little

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Speaker 10: things you have, love them.

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Speaker 2: Right, So when you get the success, you don't leverage

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01:10:46,333 --> 01:10:50,092
Speaker 2: yourself into a lot of debt around the trappings of life.

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're say?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 10: And I think it's because I have kids as well.

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01:10:55,213 --> 01:10:57,452
Speaker 10: So every time we have extra money, and I always

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01:10:57,732 --> 01:11:00,532
Speaker 10: talk to my kids, I'm like, you can indulge in

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01:11:00,652 --> 01:11:02,973
Speaker 10: this money. Like I'm not religious, I'm not. I'm a

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01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:07,012
Speaker 10: very secular person, but I always tell like we've been entrusted.

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01:11:07,053 --> 01:11:09,932
Speaker 10: With this money, you can out on yourself. You can

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01:11:09,973 --> 01:11:12,572
Speaker 10: go on holidays, you can go to Queenstown if you want,

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01:11:13,093 --> 01:11:16,252
Speaker 10: or you can use this money purposefully and grow yourself

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01:11:16,412 --> 01:11:20,372
Speaker 10: and go some people around you as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 10: that's what I want to teach my kids, and I

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01:11:22,732 --> 01:11:24,933
Speaker 10: have to do it by doing it myself and not

1513
01:11:25,652 --> 01:11:26,492
Speaker 10: living lavishly.

1514
01:11:26,893 --> 01:11:29,892
Speaker 3: That's great. How did you become financially independent? I imagine

1515
01:11:29,893 --> 01:11:32,253
Speaker 3: you would have had some failure failures along the way

1516
01:11:32,293 --> 01:11:34,333
Speaker 3: and in some moments must have been a bit scary,

1517
01:11:35,492 --> 01:11:37,932
Speaker 3: of course, like I a lot.

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01:11:38,053 --> 01:11:41,093
Speaker 10: Yes, of course, And the reason I became financially independent

1519
01:11:41,293 --> 01:11:43,812
Speaker 10: is first I had a mortgage free house, and once

1520
01:11:43,893 --> 01:11:48,133
Speaker 10: I had that, I just realized whatever I earned, I

1521
01:11:48,293 --> 01:11:50,572
Speaker 10: just need to be very I've seen my mom, she's

1522
01:11:50,612 --> 01:11:52,893
Speaker 10: a single mom, and I don't want to be in

1523
01:11:52,933 --> 01:11:56,852
Speaker 10: a position where I'm asking people for money to survive.

1524
01:11:57,013 --> 01:12:01,213
Speaker 10: So for me, I respect money. Whatever I have, I

1525
01:12:01,333 --> 01:12:03,452
Speaker 10: really respect it, and I just didn't want to be

1526
01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:09,013
Speaker 10: in her situation. And so yes, my first tip was

1527
01:12:09,133 --> 01:12:11,412
Speaker 10: to have a mortgage free house, and I had to

1528
01:12:11,572 --> 01:12:14,492
Speaker 10: work like a crazy person save like a crazy person.

1529
01:12:15,333 --> 01:12:19,772
Speaker 10: And now whatever I'm earning, my expenditures like twenty percent.

1530
01:12:20,093 --> 01:12:24,213
Speaker 10: And then afterwards I had investment properties, and then my

1531
01:12:24,372 --> 01:12:27,173
Speaker 10: expenditure became from twenty percent to ten percent, and now

1532
01:12:27,253 --> 01:12:30,492
Speaker 10: it's two percent. So whatever I earn, I just invest,

1533
01:12:30,652 --> 01:12:33,452
Speaker 10: which allows me to grow and grow and grow, and

1534
01:12:33,692 --> 01:12:36,173
Speaker 10: I think, and I always try to tell people around me,

1535
01:12:36,532 --> 01:12:38,652
Speaker 10: around me, and I don't try to brag about it.

1536
01:12:38,772 --> 01:12:41,652
Speaker 10: I just want people to have the same independence as

1537
01:12:41,732 --> 01:12:41,933
Speaker 10: I do.

1538
01:12:43,133 --> 01:12:45,932
Speaker 3: So if you were just distill that down, Rebecca, would

1539
01:12:45,933 --> 01:12:47,973
Speaker 3: that be hard work and discipline that has got you

1540
01:12:48,093 --> 01:12:49,452
Speaker 3: to where you are now?

1541
01:12:50,893 --> 01:12:53,532
Speaker 10: Hard work, discipline, and be happy with what you have.

1542
01:12:53,933 --> 01:12:57,612
Speaker 10: Try not to like if I have fifty thousand dollars

1543
01:12:57,853 --> 01:13:01,093
Speaker 10: spare money in my accounts, just don't be like I

1544
01:13:01,213 --> 01:13:04,812
Speaker 10: can let me do something elaborate with it. Just there,

1545
01:13:04,933 --> 01:13:07,652
Speaker 10: How can I help somebody else? It's a service, you know.

1546
01:13:08,333 --> 01:13:10,892
Speaker 10: So yes, I'm buying a rental property and I'm going

1547
01:13:10,973 --> 01:13:13,253
Speaker 10: to grow in future, you know. But at the same time,

1548
01:13:13,293 --> 01:13:16,293
Speaker 10: I'm making sure I'm providing a family with a safe,

1549
01:13:16,372 --> 01:13:21,133
Speaker 10: comfortable house. And so just living well below your means

1550
01:13:21,253 --> 01:13:23,293
Speaker 10: and live with a purpose purpose for living.

1551
01:13:23,572 --> 01:13:26,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rebecca, thank you so much for giving us a buzz.

1552
01:13:26,652 --> 01:13:28,692
Speaker 3: Love chatting with you great.

1553
01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:30,652
Speaker 2: Thank you Bis all the best, Rebecca.

1554
01:13:30,772 --> 01:13:33,732
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1555
01:13:34,732 --> 01:13:37,133
Speaker 3: We'll take a few more calls very shortly. It is

1556
01:13:37,532 --> 01:13:41,213
Speaker 3: eleven to three, the.

1557
01:13:41,293 --> 01:13:43,812
Speaker 1: Issues that affect you and a bit of fun along

1558
01:13:43,893 --> 01:13:47,813
Speaker 1: the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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01:13:47,532 --> 01:13:51,093
Speaker 3: It B News Talks EDB. We are talking about these

1560
01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:54,173
Speaker 3: secrets to success on the back of a campaign into

1561
01:13:54,333 --> 01:13:57,612
Speaker 3: Me launch today called on the Up. Oh eight hundred

1562
01:13:57,652 --> 01:13:59,253
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1563
01:13:59,812 --> 01:14:02,213
Speaker 2: Jason says, I've always believed in the following, saying the

1564
01:14:02,253 --> 01:14:05,413
Speaker 2: only place where success comes before workers in the dictionary.

1565
01:14:05,612 --> 01:14:05,933
Speaker 15: There you go.

1566
01:14:06,372 --> 01:14:09,412
Speaker 2: Success doesn't come without some hard work along the way

1567
01:14:09,772 --> 01:14:11,652
Speaker 2: unless you get really lucky. But then again, if you

1568
01:14:11,732 --> 01:14:14,053
Speaker 2: just get really really lucky. You know, they have these

1569
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:17,732
Speaker 2: studies of people that have you know, win lotto and such,

1570
01:14:17,893 --> 01:14:20,572
Speaker 2: or or you know, are lucky in their inheritance whatever,

1571
01:14:21,133 --> 01:14:23,852
Speaker 2: and they find it much harder to enjoy their success

1572
01:14:24,053 --> 01:14:27,532
Speaker 2: than people that have grafted away and got that success. Yeah,

1573
01:14:27,732 --> 01:14:29,372
Speaker 2: you know, you always see those stories of people that

1574
01:14:29,452 --> 01:14:31,772
Speaker 2: win lotto, and they're really surprised when they still feel

1575
01:14:31,812 --> 01:14:34,213
Speaker 2: as their life is as meaningless as it was before.

1576
01:14:34,532 --> 01:14:36,333
Speaker 3: And I think it was Dolly Parton that said, it's

1577
01:14:36,412 --> 01:14:39,772
Speaker 3: crazy how many successful people I know or know what

1578
01:14:39,933 --> 01:14:42,852
Speaker 3: was the quote there, It's amazing how many hard working

1579
01:14:42,893 --> 01:14:44,532
Speaker 3: people I know are so lucky in life.

1580
01:14:44,893 --> 01:14:47,852
Speaker 2: Ah, well, that's that's that quote, isn't it. There's a

1581
01:14:47,853 --> 01:14:51,293
Speaker 2: stoic quote. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Yep,

1582
01:14:51,372 --> 01:14:55,053
Speaker 2: that's from Seneca, isn't it exactly? Afternoon? Boys. Everyone has

1583
01:14:55,093 --> 01:14:57,452
Speaker 2: their own opinion. One of my grandsons loved it and

1584
01:14:57,572 --> 01:14:58,253
Speaker 2: one of them didn't.

1585
01:14:58,293 --> 01:14:58,372
Speaker 16: They.

1586
01:14:58,492 --> 01:15:02,772
Speaker 2: Oh, hang on, that's a that's a review of Minecraft.

1587
01:15:02,692 --> 01:15:04,133
Speaker 3: Right, thanks for that review, Kathy.

1588
01:15:06,013 --> 01:15:08,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we can continue the group. I mean, Minecraft

1589
01:15:08,812 --> 01:15:11,572
Speaker 2: has had a lot of success, hasn't Its made twice

1590
01:15:11,612 --> 01:15:13,652
Speaker 2: as much as expected at the box office. Let's go

1591
01:15:13,732 --> 01:15:14,173
Speaker 2: to Mike.

1592
01:15:16,612 --> 01:15:19,892
Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, Hi guys, Yeah, hi, yeah, good good. What's

1593
01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:22,333
Speaker 3: your thoughts about the secrets to success?

1594
01:15:23,372 --> 01:15:26,692
Speaker 15: Oh? Well, yeah, I've got a secret about success. So

1595
01:15:27,812 --> 01:15:30,372
Speaker 15: what I've gathered though through my life is that the

1596
01:15:30,572 --> 01:15:36,213
Speaker 15: absolutely absolute fundamental foundation of all life is survival.

1597
01:15:37,173 --> 01:15:37,812
Speaker 5: So that's.

1598
01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:46,653
Speaker 15: Getting food, shelter and frush humans. That's relationship survival, happiness,

1599
01:15:47,253 --> 01:15:51,132
Speaker 15: joy and love or garpy brother love, et cetera. Marriage,

1600
01:15:51,173 --> 01:15:54,253
Speaker 15: relationships and all of that. We have to survive all

1601
01:15:54,333 --> 01:15:59,812
Speaker 15: that so that it flourishes. And what I found, mostly

1602
01:16:00,053 --> 01:16:04,652
Speaker 15: through the jobs I've had over the years, is making

1603
01:16:04,732 --> 01:16:08,213
Speaker 15: yourself an asset to those around you. We're social beings.

1604
01:16:08,372 --> 01:16:11,652
Speaker 15: We're not living by ourselves island, so we're surrounded by people,

1605
01:16:12,013 --> 01:16:15,333
Speaker 15: and the people we're surrounded by they dictate what happens

1606
01:16:15,372 --> 01:16:18,572
Speaker 15: to us. Really, so if you make yourself an asset

1607
01:16:19,173 --> 01:16:23,372
Speaker 15: to those around you, not a liability, then you're going

1608
01:16:23,452 --> 01:16:29,812
Speaker 15: to develop a meaningful relationship where I don't know, joy

1609
01:16:29,973 --> 01:16:33,893
Speaker 15: or positivity happens. So that that's where I found, and

1610
01:16:34,372 --> 01:16:37,412
Speaker 15: I mean it's it's like Tyler and Matt on the

1611
01:16:37,492 --> 01:16:41,852
Speaker 15: Afternoon Zibbie Slot. If you make yourselves inexpendable to the

1612
01:16:41,973 --> 01:16:45,532
Speaker 15: boss and everyone loves you, well, you're going to have success,

1613
01:16:45,532 --> 01:16:48,093
Speaker 15: aren't you. You're gonna flourish, You're gonna put food on

1614
01:16:48,173 --> 01:16:51,692
Speaker 15: the table, you're gonna buy a house, You're gonna you're

1615
01:16:51,732 --> 01:16:56,572
Speaker 15: gonna be filled with positivity and joy, and you know,

1616
01:16:56,853 --> 01:17:00,533
Speaker 15: so do you guys. Are you guys aware of Maslow's

1617
01:17:00,692 --> 01:17:01,772
Speaker 15: hierarchy of needs?

1618
01:17:02,692 --> 01:17:04,892
Speaker 2: Yes, but but refresh us.

1619
01:17:06,692 --> 01:17:09,652
Speaker 15: So I learned this at varsity. I think it was

1620
01:17:09,692 --> 01:17:14,372
Speaker 15: stage one or something. It was a psychologist, I believe,

1621
01:17:14,532 --> 01:17:17,732
Speaker 15: or it might have been a sociologist the sky Meslow.

1622
01:17:18,253 --> 01:17:21,932
Speaker 15: He developed the pyramid, and it was a hierarchy of needs.

1623
01:17:21,973 --> 01:17:23,932
Speaker 15: And at the bottom of the pyramid are the basics,

1624
01:17:24,013 --> 01:17:28,333
Speaker 15: so oxygen, water, food, Then it goes up to shelter, clothing,

1625
01:17:29,412 --> 01:17:31,093
Speaker 15: et cetera. And at the very top of the it's

1626
01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:35,012
Speaker 15: a permit. It's the top of the pyramid the social

1627
01:17:35,532 --> 01:17:42,213
Speaker 15: needs that the population require to feel successful. And another

1628
01:17:42,253 --> 01:17:47,013
Speaker 15: way that I would describe success is if you are happy, satisfied,

1629
01:17:47,293 --> 01:17:50,652
Speaker 15: and content with your life. If you're happy, well, you

1630
01:17:50,853 --> 01:17:56,532
Speaker 15: feel joy and success. So I was at that caller

1631
01:17:56,853 --> 01:18:03,092
Speaker 15: two callers back. Yeah, sure, he has mastered financial success.

1632
01:18:03,933 --> 01:18:07,013
Speaker 15: But by the same token, you could live under a

1633
01:18:07,093 --> 01:18:08,173
Speaker 15: bridge and still be.

1634
01:18:09,532 --> 01:18:11,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Mike. Yeah, I

1635
01:18:11,893 --> 01:18:16,412
Speaker 2: mean absolutely. How you act in your workplace is huge

1636
01:18:16,452 --> 01:18:19,532
Speaker 2: towards your success because people make emotional decisions as well,

1637
01:18:19,933 --> 01:18:21,812
Speaker 2: and if they like having you around, then they're going

1638
01:18:21,853 --> 01:18:23,492
Speaker 2: to be more open to you than if they hate

1639
01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,372
Speaker 2: having you around. On a very basic level, also always

1640
01:18:26,412 --> 01:18:28,612
Speaker 2: make the person above you look good. Yep, exactly, and

1641
01:18:28,652 --> 01:18:31,652
Speaker 2: then they'll how they'll protect you. Yeah, great advice, Thank

1642
01:18:31,692 --> 01:18:34,652
Speaker 2: you very much. Good discussion. News is coming up.

1643
01:18:37,133 --> 01:18:41,412
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining Talk. It's Matty

1644
01:18:41,692 --> 01:18:44,772
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1645
01:18:44,893 --> 01:18:48,892
Speaker 3: Sebby, Welcome back into the show. Seven past three.

1646
01:18:49,612 --> 01:18:50,852
Speaker 2: Do you know what I think we're going to put

1647
01:18:51,133 --> 01:18:54,772
Speaker 2: to bed this chat about success? But I've been thinking

1648
01:18:54,812 --> 01:18:58,293
Speaker 2: the whole hour, and as many say it, impedimentum is

1649
01:18:58,452 --> 01:19:00,492
Speaker 2: where sounds good.

1650
01:19:00,612 --> 01:19:01,972
Speaker 3: I've got no idea what that means.

1651
01:19:01,973 --> 01:19:05,093
Speaker 2: So that's Latin for the obstacle is the way, which

1652
01:19:05,213 --> 01:19:08,532
Speaker 2: is It comes from Marcus Aurelius quote from meditation. The

1653
01:19:09,053 --> 01:19:12,173
Speaker 2: impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way

1654
01:19:12,253 --> 01:19:15,452
Speaker 2: becomes the way. So basically what that's saying there is

1655
01:19:15,572 --> 01:19:18,492
Speaker 2: for success, whatever the hard thing to do thing in

1656
01:19:18,572 --> 01:19:21,293
Speaker 2: front of you, that is the path, that is the way.

1657
01:19:21,853 --> 01:19:24,452
Speaker 2: So to be successful you have to you have to

1658
01:19:24,492 --> 01:19:26,692
Speaker 2: do a whole lot of hard things, and so that

1659
01:19:26,853 --> 01:19:31,172
Speaker 2: is just the path. The obstacle. You highlight the obstacle,

1660
01:19:31,492 --> 01:19:33,692
Speaker 2: you don't go around it, you know, run away from it.

1661
01:19:33,933 --> 01:19:37,532
Speaker 2: You go straight through the obstacle. The obstacle is the way.

1662
01:19:37,933 --> 01:19:40,053
Speaker 2: It's a fantastic way to look at the world. It

1663
01:19:40,133 --> 01:19:42,852
Speaker 2: seems simplistic, but when you start thinking about it, you know,

1664
01:19:43,053 --> 01:19:45,133
Speaker 2: if you're if you're starting to you know, you're running

1665
01:19:45,133 --> 01:19:47,412
Speaker 2: a business, you've got a problem, and you've a business,

1666
01:19:47,933 --> 01:19:50,013
Speaker 2: then you highlight the problem and then you fix it.

1667
01:19:50,133 --> 01:19:52,772
Speaker 2: That's the way that is. That is the path, It's

1668
01:19:52,853 --> 01:19:53,932
Speaker 2: true of all of life.

1669
01:19:54,173 --> 01:19:55,973
Speaker 3: Is that a more succinct way of I think it

1670
01:19:56,053 --> 01:19:59,213
Speaker 3: was Eisenhower who said credit goes to the man who

1671
01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:01,732
Speaker 3: was in the arena rather than that awful gray area

1672
01:20:01,812 --> 01:20:04,892
Speaker 3: where you know, neither successful failure. That's just a more

1673
01:20:04,933 --> 01:20:05,812
Speaker 3: succinct way of saying that.

1674
01:20:06,013 --> 01:20:08,452
Speaker 2: Well, potentially, yeah, it's slightly different. What he was a

1675
01:20:08,492 --> 01:20:10,612
Speaker 2: saying is get in there and get some amongst the fight,

1676
01:20:10,732 --> 01:20:14,372
Speaker 2: which is absolutely the same same thing. But what it's

1677
01:20:14,412 --> 01:20:17,333
Speaker 2: saying is this, the clarity of direction you need to

1678
01:20:17,452 --> 01:20:21,932
Speaker 2: go to be successful is to target the obstacles, target

1679
01:20:21,973 --> 01:20:25,053
Speaker 2: the big obstacles, so that that is the path that

1680
01:20:25,213 --> 01:20:27,772
Speaker 2: you follow towards success is through the hard stuff.

1681
01:20:27,933 --> 01:20:30,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, love that that is a good place to leave

1682
01:20:30,253 --> 01:20:32,973
Speaker 3: it and really enjoyed that discussion. Right, let's have a

1683
01:20:33,333 --> 01:20:35,772
Speaker 3: chat about jury service. This is on the back of

1684
01:20:36,412 --> 01:20:38,892
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of escape rooms. There's a new escape

1685
01:20:38,973 --> 01:20:40,732
Speaker 3: room in town. We're not quite a New Zealand bit

1686
01:20:40,732 --> 01:20:43,132
Speaker 3: around the world, and they call it the Jury Duty

1687
01:20:43,293 --> 01:20:46,973
Speaker 3: Games and it is effectively playing jury service in an

1688
01:20:47,093 --> 01:20:47,612
Speaker 3: escape room.

1689
01:20:47,732 --> 01:20:49,932
Speaker 2: That's right. So people are paying over one hundred dollars

1690
01:20:50,013 --> 01:20:53,293
Speaker 2: to do jury service. It's not real jury service. It's

1691
01:20:53,293 --> 01:20:55,532
Speaker 2: a dramatized jury service and it might be the most

1692
01:20:55,572 --> 01:20:58,092
Speaker 2: exciting case ever, you wouldn't imagine it'll be a boring,

1693
01:20:58,173 --> 01:21:03,293
Speaker 2: mundane case. And added bonuses to this jury service in

1694
01:21:03,492 --> 01:21:06,772
Speaker 2: that you can talk to actors. Well, there's an actor

1695
01:21:06,772 --> 01:21:09,133
Speaker 2: that will come up on a video call who is

1696
01:21:09,452 --> 01:21:12,372
Speaker 2: the accused, and you can ask them questions. And there's

1697
01:21:12,412 --> 01:21:14,093
Speaker 2: actors that are the lawyers as well, so you can

1698
01:21:14,133 --> 01:21:16,532
Speaker 2: ask the questions and you try and work out whether

1699
01:21:16,532 --> 01:21:18,253
Speaker 2: the person is innocent or not. And at the end

1700
01:21:18,333 --> 01:21:22,013
Speaker 2: of this jury type escape room, you get told if

1701
01:21:22,093 --> 01:21:24,452
Speaker 2: you and your mates are right, you and your other

1702
01:21:24,612 --> 01:21:27,732
Speaker 2: eleven peers are right about the case. Which is an

1703
01:21:27,772 --> 01:21:30,013
Speaker 2: interesting thing, isn't it that people are paying to do

1704
01:21:30,173 --> 01:21:32,412
Speaker 2: jury service when we find here in New Zealand, we're

1705
01:21:32,452 --> 01:21:34,893
Speaker 2: struggling to get anyone that's actually willing to do it,

1706
01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:38,213
Speaker 2: and that's a big part of what holds up courts

1707
01:21:38,293 --> 01:21:38,852
Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

1708
01:21:39,013 --> 01:21:42,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, So one of the creators of the cited Twelve

1709
01:21:42,652 --> 01:21:45,932
Speaker 3: Angry Men that you've spoken about often a great movie,

1710
01:21:47,013 --> 01:21:49,892
Speaker 3: and she goes on to say, people who attend jury games,

1711
01:21:49,933 --> 01:21:52,412
Speaker 3: as it's called, get to be one of those twelve

1712
01:21:52,532 --> 01:21:55,213
Speaker 3: angry men or woman, but love to hear from you.

1713
01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:58,093
Speaker 3: So to flip that around, obviously, people are paying a

1714
01:21:58,213 --> 01:22:00,532
Speaker 3: lot of money to go into one of these escape

1715
01:22:00,612 --> 01:22:03,772
Speaker 3: rooms to be part of a jury service. But going

1716
01:22:03,893 --> 01:22:07,052
Speaker 3: back to the struggle to get enough people on a jury,

1717
01:22:07,772 --> 01:22:09,933
Speaker 3: is that starf to change around now? And if you

1718
01:22:10,093 --> 01:22:12,652
Speaker 3: have recently been part of a jury, did you actually

1719
01:22:12,853 --> 01:22:15,412
Speaker 3: gain some insight and some good experience from that.

1720
01:22:15,772 --> 01:22:18,652
Speaker 2: I would love to be on a jury. I've been

1721
01:22:18,732 --> 01:22:21,492
Speaker 2: asked once, I believe, but I couldn't do for what

1722
01:22:21,572 --> 01:22:24,652
Speaker 2: even But I'd love to be on a jury. So

1723
01:22:24,933 --> 01:22:27,412
Speaker 2: we actually discussed juries at the end of last year

1724
01:22:27,652 --> 01:22:29,772
Speaker 2: and we've got a lot of calls with people telling

1725
01:22:29,853 --> 01:22:32,452
Speaker 2: quite exciting stories about being on jury. So if you

1726
01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:34,612
Speaker 2: have one, if you've been on a jury and it's

1727
01:22:35,173 --> 01:22:38,372
Speaker 2: it was a good or a bad experience, would love

1728
01:22:38,412 --> 01:22:41,533
Speaker 2: to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1729
01:22:41,412 --> 01:22:43,093
Speaker 3: Yep, get on sorre you go.

1730
01:22:43,213 --> 01:22:45,572
Speaker 2: I was going to say another great jury movie as

1731
01:22:45,652 --> 01:22:49,452
Speaker 2: Clint eastwth Clint Eastwood film. It's came out last year.

1732
01:22:49,492 --> 01:22:52,412
Speaker 2: It's called Jury number two. That is a really good

1733
01:22:52,452 --> 01:22:54,253
Speaker 2: film starring Nicholas Holt.

1734
01:22:54,532 --> 01:22:56,692
Speaker 3: Jury number two. Yeah, look out for that one. Eight

1735
01:22:56,812 --> 01:22:59,053
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've recently been on a

1736
01:22:59,133 --> 01:23:01,932
Speaker 3: jury and for lack of a better word, you really

1737
01:23:02,013 --> 01:23:04,452
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. You enjoyed that experience, love to hear from you.

1738
01:23:04,532 --> 01:23:06,692
Speaker 3: And if you've got that letter or email from the

1739
01:23:06,732 --> 01:23:08,572
Speaker 3: court system and instead of thinking how do I get

1740
01:23:08,572 --> 01:23:10,732
Speaker 3: out of this, you thought, hell, yeah, let's go.

1741
01:23:11,372 --> 01:23:13,812
Speaker 2: Or eight hundred eighty ten eighty you went on the

1742
01:23:13,893 --> 01:23:16,733
Speaker 2: jury and it's such a painful experience that it absolutely

1743
01:23:16,853 --> 01:23:20,013
Speaker 2: discussed you to your core that people are paying for

1744
01:23:20,093 --> 01:23:22,293
Speaker 2: a fake jury service. We'd love to hear from you

1745
01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:23,772
Speaker 2: as well. Eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

1746
01:23:23,893 --> 01:23:29,692
Speaker 3: It is eleven past three, good afternoon, fourteen past three.

1747
01:23:30,253 --> 01:23:33,133
Speaker 3: People are paying over one hundred dollars to be part

1748
01:23:33,253 --> 01:23:35,892
Speaker 3: of a fake jury as part of a new game.

1749
01:23:35,973 --> 01:23:38,692
Speaker 3: It's effectively an escape room where you play jury service.

1750
01:23:39,253 --> 01:23:41,812
Speaker 3: But we've asked the question if you've recently been part

1751
01:23:41,853 --> 01:23:44,333
Speaker 3: of a jury, we'd love to hear your experiences and

1752
01:23:44,452 --> 01:23:46,852
Speaker 3: to try and turn around the figure that we have

1753
01:23:46,973 --> 01:23:48,372
Speaker 3: here in New Zealand where a lot of people try

1754
01:23:48,372 --> 01:23:48,852
Speaker 3: and get out of it.

1755
01:23:49,173 --> 01:23:50,852
Speaker 2: I would love to be on a jury. Sadly never

1756
01:23:50,933 --> 01:23:53,092
Speaker 2: been asked. My sister in law has done jury service

1757
01:23:53,173 --> 01:23:55,412
Speaker 2: three times, so it couldn't make a good and she

1758
01:23:55,492 --> 01:23:58,412
Speaker 2: couldn't make a good decision to save herself. This Texas says,

1759
01:23:58,452 --> 01:24:01,652
Speaker 2: went on jury. Pretty sure we got it wrong. The

1760
01:24:01,732 --> 01:24:03,772
Speaker 2: guys still in jail. I've lost a sleep over it.

1761
01:24:03,812 --> 01:24:04,933
Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend it.

1762
01:24:05,053 --> 01:24:06,933
Speaker 5: Well, well, you.

1763
01:24:06,973 --> 01:24:08,452
Speaker 2: Could recommend that you've got in the jury game it

1764
01:24:08,572 --> 01:24:11,452
Speaker 2: right or attempt to get it right if you're pretty

1765
01:24:11,452 --> 01:24:13,012
Speaker 2: sure you got it wrong. I wonder when this person

1766
01:24:13,652 --> 01:24:16,732
Speaker 2: texts back with more information, please or give us a ring?

1767
01:24:17,053 --> 01:24:19,133
Speaker 2: When did you realize you got it wrong? So if

1768
01:24:19,173 --> 01:24:20,652
Speaker 2: you got it wrong in the room, did you know

1769
01:24:20,732 --> 01:24:23,053
Speaker 2: you were getting it wrong in the room and then

1770
01:24:23,093 --> 01:24:25,692
Speaker 2: you let it pass or was it afterwards you went,

1771
01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:27,732
Speaker 2: hang on a minute, that guy didn't do it? Yeah,

1772
01:24:27,772 --> 01:24:29,293
Speaker 2: I mean I should be laughing. If the persons in

1773
01:24:29,372 --> 01:24:32,532
Speaker 2: jail pay for juries to people, also pay to get

1774
01:24:32,572 --> 01:24:34,532
Speaker 2: punched in the faces. This text said, well, some people,

1775
01:24:34,612 --> 01:24:36,852
Speaker 2: do you, Peter plummy walkers of this world?

1776
01:24:36,933 --> 01:24:39,053
Speaker 3: We've seen that slap competition. They seem to love that

1777
01:24:39,173 --> 01:24:41,893
Speaker 3: at the moment. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1778
01:24:41,933 --> 01:24:42,572
Speaker 3: the number to call.

1779
01:24:43,492 --> 01:24:47,213
Speaker 2: Chris, Welcome to the show, gad Lands.

1780
01:24:47,293 --> 01:24:50,133
Speaker 3: How are we very good? So were you part of

1781
01:24:50,173 --> 01:24:51,612
Speaker 3: a jury recently or almost?

1782
01:24:52,692 --> 01:24:56,412
Speaker 17: Well, it was like my lifelongman, that's probably going a

1783
01:24:56,452 --> 01:24:58,213
Speaker 17: bit fast. I think it was my lifelong ambition, but

1784
01:24:58,452 --> 01:25:01,492
Speaker 17: I definitely always wanted to. It looked fun as how,

1785
01:25:01,973 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 17: And about five years ago I got the letter in

1786
01:25:04,293 --> 01:25:08,572
Speaker 17: the post and I was incredibly excited and a bit

1787
01:25:08,572 --> 01:25:10,412
Speaker 17: of a long process. Once you get there, like you

1788
01:25:10,532 --> 01:25:12,492
Speaker 17: got basically half the day of sifting through.

1789
01:25:12,492 --> 01:25:13,492
Speaker 6: There's about one hundred of you.

1790
01:25:13,532 --> 01:25:15,612
Speaker 17: That turn up, and I made it through to like

1791
01:25:15,692 --> 01:25:18,492
Speaker 17: the last I don't know thirty, and they bring that

1792
01:25:18,612 --> 01:25:20,812
Speaker 17: last thirty into the court room and they bring in

1793
01:25:20,893 --> 01:25:23,093
Speaker 17: the defendants and that's when they give you the rough

1794
01:25:23,253 --> 01:25:26,213
Speaker 17: kind of outline of the case, and this one was

1795
01:25:26,253 --> 01:25:28,572
Speaker 17: a pretty dark one, you know, like you know, sort

1796
01:25:28,572 --> 01:25:31,533
Speaker 17: of a piece a couple of pests done some really naughty.

1797
01:25:31,293 --> 01:25:33,333
Speaker 6: Stuff with younger, younger kids.

1798
01:25:33,412 --> 01:25:37,013
Speaker 17: Anyway, that's all they kind of told us. And then

1799
01:25:37,173 --> 01:25:40,173
Speaker 17: as the defendants kind of were lead back out, one

1800
01:25:40,213 --> 01:25:42,612
Speaker 17: of the guys in this drury pool like an absolute

1801
01:25:42,692 --> 01:25:44,532
Speaker 17: bogan with a mullet, and every of the missus and

1802
01:25:44,532 --> 01:25:47,492
Speaker 17: Hamilton by the way, as the defendants were coming out,

1803
01:25:47,612 --> 01:25:50,852
Speaker 17: he yelled out like slur at him and said, yeah, yeah, ef,

1804
01:25:50,933 --> 01:25:54,253
Speaker 17: and you know, like peg and stick here or whatever.

1805
01:25:54,853 --> 01:25:57,772
Speaker 17: And and anyway, the defendant went out, and then after

1806
01:25:57,893 --> 01:25:59,893
Speaker 17: recess they came back in and the lawyer and the

1807
01:25:59,973 --> 01:26:02,692
Speaker 17: judge said, like, apparently one of you know, someone on

1808
01:26:02,732 --> 01:26:04,893
Speaker 17: the pool yelled something out. Stand up if you heard it.

1809
01:26:04,933 --> 01:26:06,013
Speaker 6: And of course we all heard it.

1810
01:26:06,612 --> 01:26:09,893
Speaker 17: And the defense counts up that we were now prejudiced

1811
01:26:09,933 --> 01:26:13,812
Speaker 17: because because of that idiot yelling something out, and we

1812
01:26:13,933 --> 01:26:16,093
Speaker 17: all lost it. It was so close, and I and

1813
01:26:16,213 --> 01:26:17,532
Speaker 17: I had to go home and they.

1814
01:26:17,492 --> 01:26:20,053
Speaker 6: Had to basically recall it for the day a whole

1815
01:26:20,093 --> 01:26:20,532
Speaker 6: new call.

1816
01:26:21,013 --> 01:26:23,973
Speaker 2: Wow, So it's that sensitive, just that you'd heard the

1817
01:26:24,053 --> 01:26:28,173
Speaker 2: opinion of some bogan who was yelling that was enough

1818
01:26:28,253 --> 01:26:30,732
Speaker 2: to say that you've been contaminated and couldn't do it.

1819
01:26:30,933 --> 01:26:30,973
Speaker 16: That.

1820
01:26:31,293 --> 01:26:33,532
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's a that's a really low bar to

1821
01:26:34,013 --> 01:26:36,372
Speaker 2: rule people out. I would say absolutely.

1822
01:26:36,532 --> 01:26:36,812
Speaker 6: I guess.

1823
01:26:36,893 --> 01:26:39,093
Speaker 17: I guess the defense is clinging on to anything they could.

1824
01:26:39,213 --> 01:26:41,852
Speaker 6: But yeah, no, I was gutted. I was I was

1825
01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:45,173
Speaker 6: annoyed at the bogan and yeah, when home went home,

1826
01:26:45,253 --> 01:26:46,333
Speaker 6: guarted that was my dream.

1827
01:26:46,372 --> 01:26:48,093
Speaker 17: And they haven't had another letter in the post since.

1828
01:26:48,532 --> 01:26:49,973
Speaker 2: You couldn't put up you hand and say I've got

1829
01:26:50,013 --> 01:26:51,172
Speaker 2: no respect for this muppets.

1830
01:26:51,772 --> 01:26:53,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just a bog and I don't listen to

1831
01:26:53,692 --> 01:26:54,372
Speaker 3: what their guys is.

1832
01:26:55,412 --> 01:26:57,532
Speaker 17: Funnily enough, no one say anything, but I think, like

1833
01:26:57,652 --> 01:26:59,572
Speaker 17: looking around, a lot of people were kind of in

1834
01:26:59,652 --> 01:27:01,692
Speaker 17: the same boat, like what like even if you didn't

1835
01:27:01,692 --> 01:27:03,213
Speaker 17: want to be there, you'd wasted half the day.

1836
01:27:03,372 --> 01:27:05,372
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this clowns has lost it for.

1837
01:27:05,412 --> 01:27:05,812
Speaker 4: All of us.

1838
01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:07,412
Speaker 6: So that was my chance.

1839
01:27:07,812 --> 01:27:11,372
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, hopefully you get another chance and it's bog

1840
01:27:11,452 --> 01:27:17,133
Speaker 2: and free in the selection process. Yeah, yeah, chans, Chris,

1841
01:27:17,213 --> 01:27:18,372
Speaker 2: so much for your call.

1842
01:27:18,572 --> 01:27:20,093
Speaker 3: Just a question I'd like to put out there to

1843
01:27:20,133 --> 01:27:22,013
Speaker 3: anyone who's been on a jury, they always say that

1844
01:27:22,652 --> 01:27:24,852
Speaker 3: you aren't allowed to look at the internet or don't

1845
01:27:24,893 --> 01:27:27,532
Speaker 3: google the case or anything like that. If you're found

1846
01:27:27,652 --> 01:27:31,213
Speaker 3: to be doing that, what is the ramifications you kicked

1847
01:27:31,253 --> 01:27:34,172
Speaker 3: off the jury instantly? If you're found to be googling

1848
01:27:34,492 --> 01:27:37,213
Speaker 3: details of the case. I'd love to know. Or is

1849
01:27:37,293 --> 01:27:39,492
Speaker 3: that just a hard and fast no internet for you?

1850
01:27:39,612 --> 01:27:41,532
Speaker 3: We take your phones away, we put you in a

1851
01:27:41,572 --> 01:27:43,052
Speaker 3: hotel where you can't access anything.

1852
01:27:43,213 --> 01:27:44,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is an American movie, but in

1853
01:27:44,973 --> 01:27:47,133
Speaker 2: Jury number two great movie if people haven't seen, not

1854
01:27:47,253 --> 01:27:50,532
Speaker 2: talking about it before Flintee were directed Starry Necklace Holt.

1855
01:27:51,532 --> 01:27:53,852
Speaker 2: They two members of the jury go out and do

1856
01:27:53,933 --> 01:27:57,412
Speaker 2: their own investigations themselves, go out to the place where

1857
01:27:57,452 --> 01:28:01,572
Speaker 2: the accident accident happened, and have a look. Are you

1858
01:28:01,612 --> 01:28:03,412
Speaker 2: allowed to do that in New Zealand? Are you allowed

1859
01:28:03,492 --> 01:28:06,013
Speaker 2: to order you as only what's presented to you in

1860
01:28:06,093 --> 01:28:08,572
Speaker 2: the court that you're allowed? Yeah, I mean hard and

1861
01:28:08,652 --> 01:28:12,172
Speaker 2: my ignorance on us. I dropped out of legal systems

1862
01:28:12,173 --> 01:28:16,333
Speaker 2: at university. But can you not allow them to look

1863
01:28:16,372 --> 01:28:17,053
Speaker 2: into it at all?

1864
01:28:17,412 --> 01:28:19,213
Speaker 3: I'd love to know. I mean, neither of us have

1865
01:28:19,333 --> 01:28:21,812
Speaker 3: been on a jury, But if you've recently been on

1866
01:28:21,853 --> 01:28:23,973
Speaker 3: a jury. What's the case in terms of googling the

1867
01:28:24,093 --> 01:28:26,013
Speaker 3: case or doing your own investigating.

1868
01:28:26,213 --> 01:28:28,852
Speaker 2: I got my jury call up last year, was told

1869
01:28:28,933 --> 01:28:31,372
Speaker 2: to put five weeks aside and was able to do

1870
01:28:31,452 --> 01:28:33,772
Speaker 2: it as run my own business. Then thought about the

1871
01:28:33,893 --> 01:28:38,253
Speaker 2: judges making wet bus ticket punishments. Nah, not giving up

1872
01:28:38,293 --> 01:28:40,692
Speaker 2: five weeks for that hard to get off? But did

1873
01:28:40,812 --> 01:28:43,253
Speaker 2: that's Caroline? Okay? Well, I mean you've made an assumption

1874
01:28:43,372 --> 01:28:44,293
Speaker 2: there and you've missed out.

1875
01:28:44,532 --> 01:28:44,772
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1876
01:28:45,213 --> 01:28:47,652
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1877
01:28:47,692 --> 01:28:51,492
Speaker 3: What has been your experiences on a jury when you've

1878
01:28:51,492 --> 01:28:53,973
Speaker 3: been caught up for jury service and you have done it,

1879
01:28:54,053 --> 01:28:56,932
Speaker 3: have you had a good experience or was it terrible?

1880
01:28:57,053 --> 01:28:59,452
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1881
01:28:59,772 --> 01:29:01,372
Speaker 3: It is twenty past.

1882
01:29:01,213 --> 01:29:09,692
Speaker 1: Three Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoon call. Oh, eight hundred

1883
01:29:09,692 --> 01:29:11,892
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1884
01:29:12,013 --> 01:29:13,972
Speaker 3: Tween t two past three, and we are talking about

1885
01:29:14,053 --> 01:29:16,652
Speaker 3: jury service on the back of a new Escape room

1886
01:29:16,812 --> 01:29:19,413
Speaker 3: theme that is taking the world by storm. Its effectively

1887
01:29:19,612 --> 01:29:20,173
Speaker 3: jury service.

1888
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:22,412
Speaker 2: That's right. You pay one hundred bucks to do jury service?

1889
01:29:23,572 --> 01:29:25,772
Speaker 2: Is jury service? That exciting? Have you had an exciting

1890
01:29:25,812 --> 01:29:27,532
Speaker 2: time on the jury one hundred and eighty ten eight.

1891
01:29:27,572 --> 01:29:29,572
Speaker 2: You would love to hear your experience is good or bad.

1892
01:29:29,893 --> 01:29:33,133
Speaker 2: So before I asked a question that's excited the text

1893
01:29:33,173 --> 01:29:35,412
Speaker 2: machine to call me a muppet. This is very obvious.

1894
01:29:36,452 --> 01:29:38,133
Speaker 2: It doesn't take much for people to call me a muppet.

1895
01:29:38,572 --> 01:29:42,333
Speaker 2: They're wrong, though, I'm amazing. What's my role as a juror? Okay,

1896
01:29:42,452 --> 01:29:44,492
Speaker 2: as a juror, you must follow these rules. Because I said,

1897
01:29:44,492 --> 01:29:46,013
Speaker 2: can you go off and investigate it like they did

1898
01:29:46,053 --> 01:29:49,052
Speaker 2: in the movie Jura? Number two? Yeah, but says don't

1899
01:29:49,133 --> 01:29:51,452
Speaker 2: investigate or do any research about the case, all right?

1900
01:29:51,532 --> 01:29:52,173
Speaker 3: Is that number one?

1901
01:29:52,452 --> 01:29:54,333
Speaker 2: No, that's number two. Number one is don't talk about

1902
01:29:54,372 --> 01:29:56,133
Speaker 2: the troll to anyone who's not on the jury. That'd

1903
01:29:56,133 --> 01:29:59,812
Speaker 2: be hard to not go home to your misses. Yeah,

1904
01:30:00,133 --> 01:30:01,173
Speaker 2: imagine that it's.

1905
01:30:01,053 --> 01:30:02,972
Speaker 3: A circle of trust. Surely you could say a little

1906
01:30:03,013 --> 01:30:03,932
Speaker 3: bit to the wife.

1907
01:30:04,053 --> 01:30:08,172
Speaker 2: That includes family, friends, and the media also includes lawyers, witnesses,

1908
01:30:08,173 --> 01:30:10,053
Speaker 2: and other people who might be interested in the trial.

1909
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:12,293
Speaker 2: And the other thing is don't investigate or do any

1910
01:30:12,372 --> 01:30:14,492
Speaker 2: research about the case. It is vitally important that you

1911
01:30:14,572 --> 01:30:16,652
Speaker 2: rely only on the information given to you at the trial.

1912
01:30:16,772 --> 01:30:19,692
Speaker 2: Doing your own research, like googling the case or asking

1913
01:30:19,732 --> 01:30:21,812
Speaker 2: about it on social media puts the defendant's right to

1914
01:30:22,133 --> 01:30:25,333
Speaker 2: fear trial at risk. The judge may even have to discharge,

1915
01:30:25,452 --> 01:30:27,812
Speaker 2: let go of the jury, and abandon the trial. An

1916
01:30:27,853 --> 01:30:30,412
Speaker 2: abandoned trial can add to the stress on witnesses and

1917
01:30:30,492 --> 01:30:33,173
Speaker 2: result in a age of financial cost to the justice

1918
01:30:33,173 --> 01:30:35,333
Speaker 2: system because the trial will need to be held again.

1919
01:30:35,652 --> 01:30:38,772
Speaker 2: You may so also find a face a penalty from

1920
01:30:38,812 --> 01:30:40,652
Speaker 2: the court. That's disappointing because it'd be fun to go

1921
01:30:40,973 --> 01:30:44,732
Speaker 2: out and be an amateur sleuth. Go and get out

1922
01:30:44,732 --> 01:30:47,532
Speaker 2: your own forensic kit. Go and do your own CSI

1923
01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:49,372
Speaker 2: on the scene.

1924
01:30:49,293 --> 01:30:51,372
Speaker 3: Like their texture that you read out right at the start,

1925
01:30:51,492 --> 01:30:53,852
Speaker 3: who thought that they got the wrong decision in the end.

1926
01:30:53,853 --> 01:30:55,652
Speaker 3: And he add some sleepless nights. I mean if he

1927
01:30:55,732 --> 01:30:58,853
Speaker 3: went out and did as I investigating, did his own documentary,

1928
01:30:59,173 --> 01:31:00,653
Speaker 3: you know he could get to the bottom.

1929
01:31:00,333 --> 01:31:02,612
Speaker 2: Of the arts to that started running his own true

1930
01:31:02,692 --> 01:31:08,612
Speaker 2: crime podcast across the thing. Mike, welcome to the show today.

1931
01:31:09,133 --> 01:31:09,772
Speaker 7: Great thing.

1932
01:31:09,853 --> 01:31:14,133
Speaker 22: I must say, I was on a jury last year

1933
01:31:15,973 --> 01:31:17,533
Speaker 22: and I've got a couple of anecdotes.

1934
01:31:17,853 --> 01:31:18,893
Speaker 3: Yep, you go for it.

1935
01:31:19,213 --> 01:31:24,452
Speaker 22: Well, firstly, I were in the room where they've got

1936
01:31:24,612 --> 01:31:27,812
Speaker 22: the people they pre selected, and of course you didn't

1937
01:31:27,933 --> 01:31:31,572
Speaker 22: walk you and your name is called and you walk

1938
01:31:31,732 --> 01:31:35,932
Speaker 22: to the stand for the jury members. And I fully

1939
01:31:36,093 --> 01:31:38,412
Speaker 22: I was one of the first, and I fully expected

1940
01:31:38,532 --> 01:31:41,293
Speaker 22: to be called out to be, you know, to be

1941
01:31:41,692 --> 01:31:44,052
Speaker 22: recused whatever by the one of the lawyers.

1942
01:31:44,053 --> 01:31:48,253
Speaker 5: But but I wasn't. So that's good.

1943
01:31:48,532 --> 01:31:52,492
Speaker 2: Yell Hey, Mike, Mike, Mike, Why did Mike, why did

1944
01:31:52,532 --> 01:31:54,092
Speaker 2: you think that you would be recused?

1945
01:31:55,253 --> 01:31:59,093
Speaker 22: Well, because I'm I look like a law and order type.

1946
01:31:59,853 --> 01:32:03,093
Speaker 2: Like a law and order on the law part or

1947
01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:04,892
Speaker 2: the crime criminal part.

1948
01:32:05,933 --> 01:32:08,812
Speaker 22: You know, law and order as an yep, throw the

1949
01:32:08,853 --> 01:32:09,412
Speaker 22: book at them.

1950
01:32:10,492 --> 01:32:12,452
Speaker 3: Did you tell them that beforehand? Did did you say

1951
01:32:12,452 --> 01:32:13,173
Speaker 3: you're no non to.

1952
01:32:14,772 --> 01:32:15,133
Speaker 5: Look at you?

1953
01:32:15,293 --> 01:32:18,692
Speaker 22: And I fully expected that i'd be. I'd be, said,

1954
01:32:19,213 --> 01:32:21,293
Speaker 22: they team know, right, and they didn't.

1955
01:32:21,492 --> 01:32:22,893
Speaker 2: They thought sweet airs, And you went over to the

1956
01:32:23,093 --> 01:32:24,133
Speaker 2: you went on to the next part.

1957
01:32:25,253 --> 01:32:28,412
Speaker 22: Yes, And then we were in the room where the

1958
01:32:28,492 --> 01:32:33,732
Speaker 22: you know, the juror's room, and the secretary comes in

1959
01:32:33,812 --> 01:32:38,732
Speaker 22: and says, now you have to choose a foreman, and

1960
01:32:38,933 --> 01:32:43,652
Speaker 22: everyone immediately starts looking around the room, all okay, who's

1961
01:32:43,692 --> 01:32:46,013
Speaker 22: going to be? And I said, and I knew when

1962
01:32:46,053 --> 01:32:50,053
Speaker 22: I said it what the effect would be. I said, well,

1963
01:32:50,372 --> 01:32:53,732
Speaker 22: I played jury member on New Zealand TV production.

1964
01:32:55,452 --> 01:32:59,133
Speaker 3: Okay you were. Everyone said, oh, you can be it.

1965
01:32:59,893 --> 01:33:01,892
Speaker 22: You can be the jury, you can be the foreman.

1966
01:33:02,133 --> 01:33:02,452
Speaker 3: Okay.

1967
01:33:03,293 --> 01:33:04,772
Speaker 2: What what TV production was that?

1968
01:33:04,893 --> 01:33:13,173
Speaker 22: Mike Dear Murderer, Dear Murderer, which was about Mike Bungay,

1969
01:33:13,372 --> 01:33:15,812
Speaker 22: the celebrated Wellington lawyer.

1970
01:33:16,572 --> 01:33:20,133
Speaker 3: All right, I'm just having a look now and on murder.

1971
01:33:20,133 --> 01:33:22,813
Speaker 22: In twenty seventeen, if I'm not wrong.

1972
01:33:23,173 --> 01:33:26,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, right, yeah, so you were. So you

1973
01:33:27,013 --> 01:33:28,812
Speaker 2: were on Dear Murderer sitting in.

1974
01:33:28,853 --> 01:33:33,652
Speaker 3: The jury correct. I was a jury member, right?

1975
01:33:33,772 --> 01:33:36,933
Speaker 2: And did you Was that a speaking role or was

1976
01:33:36,973 --> 01:33:40,092
Speaker 2: it just a looking concerned as the evidence was presented

1977
01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:40,612
Speaker 2: to you role.

1978
01:33:40,652 --> 01:33:42,692
Speaker 22: I just had to look very concerned in one of

1979
01:33:42,772 --> 01:33:46,692
Speaker 22: twelve members. And I also had another role on that

1980
01:33:46,933 --> 01:33:51,612
Speaker 22: series as a I was guarding a prisoner and another scene.

1981
01:33:53,732 --> 01:33:56,933
Speaker 22: So anyway, when we were in the jury room, the

1982
01:33:57,173 --> 01:34:02,053
Speaker 22: trial lasted two and a half days and I took

1983
01:34:02,093 --> 01:34:04,932
Speaker 22: it upon myself on day like the middle of day two,

1984
01:34:05,772 --> 01:34:09,773
Speaker 22: when obviously there are some people to dominate the conversation

1985
01:34:11,772 --> 01:34:16,173
Speaker 22: as you can expect, right, yep, And I said, well, look,

1986
01:34:17,133 --> 01:34:20,852
Speaker 22: I'm aware that we've only heard from some of the

1987
01:34:20,973 --> 01:34:23,412
Speaker 22: members or some of the people in this room, so

1988
01:34:23,452 --> 01:34:26,812
Speaker 22: I'd like to go around the room and get people's idea,

1989
01:34:27,293 --> 01:34:30,492
Speaker 22: like everyone to at least say how they are thinking

1990
01:34:30,612 --> 01:34:32,932
Speaker 22: about it, which I think was a good idea because

1991
01:34:33,013 --> 01:34:35,932
Speaker 22: the fear were people that hadn't spoken at all over.

1992
01:34:35,772 --> 01:34:36,572
Speaker 15: A day and a half.

1993
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:39,652
Speaker 2: Great idea and a plot point in the twelve Angry

1994
01:34:39,732 --> 01:34:40,213
Speaker 2: Men movie.

1995
01:34:41,452 --> 01:34:42,093
Speaker 15: Yes it was.

1996
01:34:42,372 --> 01:34:48,293
Speaker 22: I was drawing on my film experience. And the trial

1997
01:34:48,412 --> 01:34:52,533
Speaker 22: lasted two and a half days. There were two charges,

1998
01:34:53,572 --> 01:35:00,813
Speaker 22: and I felt that neither was proven and the individual

1999
01:35:01,293 --> 01:35:04,492
Speaker 22: was in fact let off on both charges.

2000
01:35:05,612 --> 01:35:06,932
Speaker 2: And do you think that was the right decision?

2001
01:35:08,372 --> 01:35:09,053
Speaker 5: I think it was.

2002
01:35:10,053 --> 01:35:12,892
Speaker 2: What do you think if it had been a situation

2003
01:35:14,013 --> 01:35:15,892
Speaker 2: and look, we're going back to the same movie again,

2004
01:35:15,973 --> 01:35:21,772
Speaker 2: twelve angry at twelve angry men, But you thought the

2005
01:35:21,853 --> 01:35:23,972
Speaker 2: other way from the eleven other people. Do you think

2006
01:35:24,013 --> 01:35:26,012
Speaker 2: you would have put your feet in and held your ground?

2007
01:35:27,333 --> 01:35:31,692
Speaker 22: Well, actually, on both of the charges, we had one person,

2008
01:35:32,333 --> 01:35:35,293
Speaker 22: and they were a different person each time, one person

2009
01:35:35,893 --> 01:35:40,933
Speaker 22: who opposed the majority view. So we then had to

2010
01:35:41,452 --> 01:35:42,092
Speaker 22: talk them.

2011
01:35:42,053 --> 01:35:47,133
Speaker 2: Round to it, all right, and so you talked them

2012
01:35:47,173 --> 01:35:50,133
Speaker 2: around to it. Do they have good, good reasoning why

2013
01:35:50,253 --> 01:35:52,093
Speaker 2: they were going one way they're going the other way

2014
01:35:52,133 --> 01:35:52,852
Speaker 2: to the other eleven?

2015
01:35:53,173 --> 01:35:53,612
Speaker 15: Or was it?

2016
01:35:54,893 --> 01:35:55,133
Speaker 17: Yes?

2017
01:35:55,452 --> 01:36:00,172
Speaker 22: And like on one of the charges of dangerous driving,

2018
01:36:00,772 --> 01:36:04,933
Speaker 22: the footage that the police provided conveniently didn't show the

2019
01:36:05,732 --> 01:36:10,772
Speaker 22: exact moment where Car X hit Car Y in tiat

2020
01:36:10,933 --> 01:36:15,293
Speaker 22: Tu without giving too much away, and so you couldn't

2021
01:36:15,333 --> 01:36:18,412
Speaker 22: convict and this person thought of but this driving is bad.

2022
01:36:18,492 --> 01:36:21,972
Speaker 22: This person was not a hasn't been born in New Zealand,

2023
01:36:22,492 --> 01:36:25,333
Speaker 22: and all of us we're pretty sure that this driving

2024
01:36:25,452 --> 01:36:29,213
Speaker 22: is what you see. Someone said, we see the sort

2025
01:36:29,213 --> 01:36:30,772
Speaker 22: of driving around town every day.

2026
01:36:31,772 --> 01:36:35,173
Speaker 3: And so if you didn't get unanimous decision, did you

2027
01:36:35,452 --> 01:36:37,213
Speaker 3: get a warning from the judge or how does that work?

2028
01:36:37,372 --> 01:36:39,852
Speaker 3: I know hungury is a possibility, but how does that

2029
01:36:39,933 --> 01:36:40,812
Speaker 3: work in New Zealand law?

2030
01:36:43,253 --> 01:36:46,412
Speaker 22: Not being a lawyer, I couldn't tell you. But we

2031
01:36:46,652 --> 01:36:52,013
Speaker 22: certainly talked and talked on both over both charges, and

2032
01:36:52,492 --> 01:36:57,372
Speaker 22: we had one person holding out on you on both charges,

2033
01:36:57,452 --> 01:36:59,213
Speaker 22: and we found that, I mean to me, it was

2034
01:36:59,333 --> 01:37:01,372
Speaker 22: clear that they didn't do it all.

2035
01:37:01,452 --> 01:37:03,372
Speaker 5: This wasn't enough evidence, yes.

2036
01:37:04,133 --> 01:37:07,013
Speaker 2: And so overall after that experience, and it wasn't a

2037
01:37:07,253 --> 01:37:08,852
Speaker 2: super long time. You spent in there two and a

2038
01:37:08,893 --> 01:37:12,253
Speaker 2: half days, But was it a positive experience in your life? Mike?

2039
01:37:13,572 --> 01:37:18,013
Speaker 22: Well, afterwards I went and spoke to the the I

2040
01:37:18,053 --> 01:37:20,932
Speaker 22: don't know what you'd call them, the administrator down stairs,

2041
01:37:21,053 --> 01:37:23,372
Speaker 22: the person that speaks to all the jury members at

2042
01:37:23,853 --> 01:37:25,812
Speaker 22: the very beginning on the Monday morning, and said, hey,

2043
01:37:26,093 --> 01:37:29,012
Speaker 22: I'd like to do this again. How can I get

2044
01:37:29,093 --> 01:37:32,933
Speaker 22: myself on another jury? And he shall come back to you.

2045
01:37:33,253 --> 01:37:37,293
Speaker 22: And he did, and he said that by law you

2046
01:37:37,572 --> 01:37:40,013
Speaker 22: have to wait at least two years, so you're not

2047
01:37:40,133 --> 01:37:44,573
Speaker 22: going to get any notification for at least two years.

2048
01:37:44,853 --> 01:37:47,973
Speaker 3: Right, but you can put yourself forward for the jury. No,

2049
01:37:48,333 --> 01:37:49,012
Speaker 3: oh no you can't.

2050
01:37:49,372 --> 01:37:52,293
Speaker 22: No, no, you it will be It'll be at least

2051
01:37:52,333 --> 01:37:54,972
Speaker 22: two years before you get any letter in the post.

2052
01:37:55,053 --> 01:37:55,412
Speaker 3: Gotcha?

2053
01:37:55,692 --> 01:37:55,892
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2054
01:37:56,452 --> 01:37:59,253
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you so much for sharing that story, Mike. Finally,

2055
01:37:59,412 --> 01:38:02,452
Speaker 2: what was more exciting sitting on a fake jury for

2056
01:38:02,572 --> 01:38:05,933
Speaker 2: a television show or sitting on the real jury.

2057
01:38:08,053 --> 01:38:13,213
Speaker 22: Being a film extra? He's paid minimum wage, but if

2058
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:15,732
Speaker 22: you're a featured extra as an a jury member, to

2059
01:38:15,853 --> 01:38:18,852
Speaker 22: get two dollars more, say, that's my answer?

2060
01:38:19,133 --> 01:38:21,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, rolling well, thank you so much for you call.

2061
01:38:21,933 --> 01:38:22,053
Speaker 7: Mike.

2062
01:38:22,333 --> 01:38:24,013
Speaker 2: I'm going to find that movie and a look out

2063
01:38:24,053 --> 01:38:24,572
Speaker 2: for you in there.

2064
01:38:24,652 --> 01:38:27,013
Speaker 3: I've just had a week look at the casting and

2065
01:38:27,293 --> 01:38:29,492
Speaker 3: our very own Tim Beveridge was in that. He played

2066
01:38:29,532 --> 01:38:33,652
Speaker 3: Bob Jones. Yeah, he was in for one episode, Tim

2067
01:38:34,173 --> 01:38:34,852
Speaker 3: Dear Murderer.

2068
01:38:34,933 --> 01:38:35,133
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2069
01:38:35,173 --> 01:38:37,652
Speaker 3: Tim Beveridge was in for one episode as Bob Jones.

2070
01:38:37,692 --> 01:38:39,452
Speaker 3: And I assume that is the Bob Jones.

2071
01:38:39,492 --> 01:38:41,693
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll definitely be watching that then, yeah, absolutely.

2072
01:38:41,812 --> 01:38:43,893
Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

2073
01:38:44,293 --> 01:38:46,133
Speaker 3: number to call, and we want to chat to you

2074
01:38:46,173 --> 01:38:48,452
Speaker 3: about what your experience has been. If you've been on

2075
01:38:48,692 --> 01:38:51,133
Speaker 3: a jury, it is twenty ninety four.

2076
01:38:53,933 --> 01:38:57,692
Speaker 16: You talk'd be headlines with blue bubble taxi. It's no

2077
01:38:57,853 --> 01:39:01,933
Speaker 16: trouble with a blue bubble. A sensible sentencing trust advertising

2078
01:39:02,093 --> 01:39:07,253
Speaker 16: attack billboard styled like a Green Party election campaign, billboard

2079
01:39:07,652 --> 01:39:11,853
Speaker 16: has a had targeting Chloe Swarbrick and Tamotha Pool's attitudes

2080
01:39:11,893 --> 01:39:15,772
Speaker 16: to police. A law professor says arguably it could be

2081
01:39:15,933 --> 01:39:20,293
Speaker 16: an electoral act breach. Asian stock markets are the latest

2082
01:39:20,372 --> 01:39:23,813
Speaker 16: to plunge following falls today in New Zealand and Australia.

2083
01:39:24,133 --> 01:39:28,693
Speaker 16: As Donald Trump's tariffs continue to reverberate. A large industrial

2084
01:39:28,853 --> 01:39:31,812
Speaker 16: fire is being fought by teams of firefighters at a

2085
01:39:31,893 --> 01:39:35,732
Speaker 16: multi tenanted building in christ Church's Bromley on Mace's Road.

2086
01:39:36,213 --> 01:39:41,452
Speaker 16: Some neighboring businesses have evacuated. Open Justice reports a nurse

2087
01:39:41,732 --> 01:39:45,453
Speaker 16: breach the Health Consumer's Code when a woman told lipthiller

2088
01:39:45,572 --> 01:39:49,452
Speaker 16: would improve her smile needed hospital treatment for damn it

2089
01:39:49,572 --> 01:39:53,212
Speaker 16: from a blocked blood vessel. The Food and Wine Global

2090
01:39:53,293 --> 01:39:58,453
Speaker 16: Tastemakers Awards have named Queenstown's Ammasfield the number three restaurant

2091
01:39:58,612 --> 01:40:03,812
Speaker 16: in the world. Public Defense Service overhaul raisers concerns about

2092
01:40:03,893 --> 01:40:07,732
Speaker 16: miscarriages of justice. Find out more at Zien Herald Premium

2093
01:40:08,452 --> 01:40:10,333
Speaker 16: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2094
01:40:10,053 --> 01:40:12,572
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean, and we are asking for

2095
01:40:12,893 --> 01:40:15,213
Speaker 3: your experiences on the jury. It's on the back of

2096
01:40:15,772 --> 01:40:16,972
Speaker 3: a new escape room theme.

2097
01:40:17,173 --> 01:40:19,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Jury games. You can pay over one

2098
01:40:19,412 --> 01:40:22,452
Speaker 2: hundred dollars each. You can either take you and eleven

2099
01:40:22,572 --> 01:40:24,893
Speaker 2: mates and be the jury or some of them you

2100
01:40:25,013 --> 01:40:28,173
Speaker 2: go into and there's other people there, strangers, but it's

2101
01:40:28,293 --> 01:40:31,492
Speaker 2: jury service that you pay for and it's a fictional case,

2102
01:40:31,973 --> 01:40:34,732
Speaker 2: but it's genuinely I mean I'm going to assume that

2103
01:40:34,772 --> 01:40:37,412
Speaker 2: they're very exciting cases, or else you wouldn't want to pay.

2104
01:40:38,013 --> 01:40:40,372
Speaker 2: But it does beg the question. People are paying for

2105
01:40:40,532 --> 01:40:44,013
Speaker 2: jury services, how come no one seems to want to

2106
01:40:44,013 --> 01:40:51,892
Speaker 2: do it for free? Although someone kicked back here and says, hey, Fellers,

2107
01:40:51,933 --> 01:40:54,572
Speaker 2: it's not that people. It's funny when you do that

2108
01:40:55,053 --> 01:40:57,093
Speaker 2: flying time. Does anyone noticed that I was buying for time?

2109
01:40:57,133 --> 01:40:59,013
Speaker 3: Then it's just to bring you into the tent. He

2110
01:40:59,173 --> 01:41:01,812
Speaker 3: was just scrolling down the numerous ticks we got here.

2111
01:41:01,933 --> 01:41:03,532
Speaker 2: Now, people didn't know that I didn't have the text

2112
01:41:03,612 --> 01:41:08,213
Speaker 2: radio because I said. They just said, hey, Fellers, it's

2113
01:41:08,213 --> 01:41:09,932
Speaker 2: not that people don't want to be on a jury.

2114
01:41:10,013 --> 01:41:12,532
Speaker 2: It's all about time, and time is valuable, and one

2115
01:41:12,652 --> 01:41:14,612
Speaker 2: or two weeks of your life is a lot, as

2116
01:41:14,652 --> 01:41:18,492
Speaker 2: well as the financial considerations. Cheers reck yet, I mean

2117
01:41:18,532 --> 01:41:21,692
Speaker 2: that's like me. Actually, I would love to be on

2118
01:41:21,732 --> 01:41:24,612
Speaker 2: a jury at some point. I haven't been asked for

2119
01:41:24,692 --> 01:41:27,933
Speaker 2: a while. Gussy, welcome to the show. You've been on

2120
01:41:28,013 --> 01:41:28,372
Speaker 2: a jury?

2121
01:41:29,772 --> 01:41:32,213
Speaker 23: I live, and I want to tell you my story

2122
01:41:32,333 --> 01:41:33,572
Speaker 23: because it is quite interesting.

2123
01:41:33,732 --> 01:41:34,253
Speaker 2: We want to hear it.

2124
01:41:34,333 --> 01:41:36,852
Speaker 23: Busy Well, I lived in Auckland and I had my

2125
01:41:36,933 --> 01:41:40,532
Speaker 23: own business in Auckland, and when I got the leader,

2126
01:41:41,293 --> 01:41:43,812
Speaker 23: people at work were saying, no, you can get out

2127
01:41:43,812 --> 01:41:45,013
Speaker 23: of that. You can get out of that because you

2128
01:41:45,053 --> 01:41:47,093
Speaker 23: have your own business. And I thought, no, I don't

2129
01:41:47,133 --> 01:41:50,173
Speaker 23: want to I want to go. So I got there

2130
01:41:50,253 --> 01:41:53,492
Speaker 23: and I wasn't challenged, so I got to go on

2131
01:41:53,612 --> 01:41:56,253
Speaker 23: the jury and then we're sitting around this round table

2132
01:41:57,013 --> 01:42:00,012
Speaker 23: and then somebody said, I think, I said, has anyone

2133
01:42:00,093 --> 01:42:03,532
Speaker 23: done this before? And nobody and everyone said no, So

2134
01:42:03,853 --> 01:42:05,973
Speaker 23: all of a sudden we had to perform in and

2135
01:42:06,173 --> 01:42:08,053
Speaker 23: of course I got the job, didn't I because I

2136
01:42:08,173 --> 01:42:13,972
Speaker 23: was first person to speak up. So anyway, so during

2137
01:42:14,053 --> 01:42:16,892
Speaker 23: the trial, which was about a thirteen year old girl

2138
01:42:18,372 --> 01:42:24,372
Speaker 23: who was accusing her dad of mnisting her, it wasn't

2139
01:42:24,452 --> 01:42:28,333
Speaker 23: going well for him because it looked for all intensive

2140
01:42:28,372 --> 01:42:32,253
Speaker 23: purposes like he had done it, because his mother had

2141
01:42:32,293 --> 01:42:37,692
Speaker 23: even seen sort of various things. But there's a big

2142
01:42:37,772 --> 01:42:41,213
Speaker 23: book in front of you around this round table, and

2143
01:42:41,973 --> 01:42:43,812
Speaker 23: it's sort of like the size of a Bible, so

2144
01:42:44,133 --> 01:42:47,532
Speaker 23: it's just the manuscript of all the things that go

2145
01:42:47,692 --> 01:42:50,852
Speaker 23: on before it even gets a trial, and you don't

2146
01:42:50,853 --> 01:42:52,372
Speaker 23: get to read it because you're not allowed to take

2147
01:42:52,412 --> 01:42:55,013
Speaker 23: anything out of the room with you, so you have

2148
01:42:55,133 --> 01:42:56,692
Speaker 23: no time to read it, and of course you're sitting

2149
01:42:56,692 --> 01:42:59,093
Speaker 23: around listening to people and stuff. So I think I

2150
01:42:59,293 --> 01:43:02,372
Speaker 23: just decided I just wanted to There just wasn't something

2151
01:43:02,532 --> 01:43:05,293
Speaker 23: right with the whole thing, so I wanted to read

2152
01:43:05,372 --> 01:43:08,973
Speaker 23: this manuscript. And I came across a passage in that

2153
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Speaker 23: sort of said to me, well, no, she had.

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Speaker 4: She had made this up.

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Speaker 23: And when I read it out to the rest of

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Speaker 23: the jury, they were like, oh, because prior to that

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Speaker 23: they were all sort of leaning towards him being guilty.

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Speaker 14: So wouldn't.

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Speaker 23: And there was one person, there's always one person on

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Speaker 23: the service who said, no, children don't lie, and I said, well,

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Speaker 23: I don't know about you, but I used to lie

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Speaker 23: a lot when I was a kid. So so anyway,

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01:43:34,652 --> 01:43:38,093
Speaker 23: we went there. She she decided to go along with us,

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Speaker 23: but she did it reluctantly, and he was found not guilty.

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Speaker 23: And at the time the judge said that he agreed

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Speaker 23: with our with our verdict. So I was really thrilled.

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Speaker 2: Now, guess might enjoyed it now, Gusie, it must have

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Speaker 2: been hard because the natural position you'd be in that

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Speaker 2: that that kind of case would be just be hard

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Speaker 2: for the anger towards the father. You know, you know,

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Speaker 2: your natural your natural emotions would be hard to combat that,

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01:44:09,253 --> 01:44:13,453
Speaker 2: right and be logical because just the horror of the accusation,

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01:44:14,812 --> 01:44:16,652
Speaker 2: you know, to get over that and not and not.

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Speaker 2: Do you get what I'm saying that that you would

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Speaker 2: have come in there and you would you would you

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Speaker 2: would have been a certain amount of anger when you

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Speaker 2: heard the accusations.

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Speaker 23: I guess what I'm trying to say, Ah, well no,

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Speaker 23: because you're told that you're not supposed to think anything

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Speaker 23: until you hear what people have to say. So I

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Speaker 23: didn't really think.

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Speaker 2: Very much and you managed to do that. You managed

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Speaker 2: to keep that yeah, yeah, yeah, Well and.

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Speaker 23: He wasn't he wasn't just sort of normal person. I

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Speaker 23: think he was like sort of Sandward short of a picnic.

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Speaker 6: Right, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have said on that

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Speaker 3: jury Gusy, you know, for honesty, if I heard, if

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Speaker 3: I heard that was the case, I think I would

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01:44:55,532 --> 01:44:57,173
Speaker 3: try and make a strong argument that I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I could sit through there.

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Speaker 23: Well, well, I know, but I mean, you know, once

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01:45:03,053 --> 01:45:05,333
Speaker 23: you're here, you make a choice.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is that someone has to someone has

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Speaker 2: to sit through these these shocking Oh yeah, and distasteful.

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Speaker 3: It is because you're a better person than me. I absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 23: Oh, and there's definitely a cross section of people, and

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01:45:20,572 --> 01:45:22,412
Speaker 23: it is a bit of a shame that people don't

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Speaker 23: really want to go on jury service and they always

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01:45:24,853 --> 01:45:26,293
Speaker 23: try and get out of it, because it really is

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Speaker 23: quite an experience.

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Speaker 3: Just just on that manuscript that you had, and I

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01:45:30,452 --> 01:45:33,972
Speaker 3: take it that was all the evidence that was collated.

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01:45:34,053 --> 01:45:37,052
Speaker 3: Why why didn't the defense bring up that bit of information?

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01:45:37,173 --> 01:45:37,812
Speaker 3: Did you ever find that?

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01:45:38,652 --> 01:45:38,772
Speaker 7: Oh?

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01:45:38,893 --> 01:45:41,013
Speaker 23: Well, no, I don't. I don't really know, and I

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01:45:41,133 --> 01:45:45,253
Speaker 23: wanted that myself. Seems it seemed a bit odd to

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Speaker 23: me that that that crucial bit of information wasn't wasn't

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01:45:51,412 --> 01:45:53,372
Speaker 23: brought up and the child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so thank you so much for your your your call, Guzzie,

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01:45:57,732 --> 01:46:00,492
Speaker 2: and your insights into that. I think yet someone texted

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01:46:00,572 --> 01:46:02,852
Speaker 2: through us searching through my mind for the saying I

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01:46:02,973 --> 01:46:04,893
Speaker 2: was trying to come up with that I needed was

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01:46:04,973 --> 01:46:08,372
Speaker 2: unconscious bias. I think, because you'd go in there and

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01:46:08,692 --> 01:46:12,852
Speaker 2: the accusation is so horrendous, it would be hard to

2217
01:46:13,013 --> 01:46:18,133
Speaker 2: not have a distasteful to look on distastefully of the

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01:46:18,173 --> 01:46:20,293
Speaker 2: person accused of it. They're just about to clear your

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01:46:20,333 --> 01:46:22,093
Speaker 2: mind and go we actually need to get to the

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01:46:22,732 --> 01:46:26,772
Speaker 2: facts here. You know that that takes, that takes a lot,

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01:46:26,933 --> 01:46:27,492
Speaker 2: oh huge.

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Speaker 3: Even when she when she first came on Givesia mentioned

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01:46:30,372 --> 01:46:32,333
Speaker 3: that was the case, I screwed my face up. Thanks

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01:46:32,772 --> 01:46:35,333
Speaker 3: instantly saying that's that's horrible and disgusting and that is

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01:46:35,372 --> 01:46:39,093
Speaker 3: probably the unconscious bias. Straight away. O eight hundred, AY

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01:46:39,213 --> 01:46:41,452
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. What has been

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01:46:41,492 --> 01:46:44,652
Speaker 3: your experience on a jury? Love to hear whether it

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01:46:44,732 --> 01:46:47,372
Speaker 3: was a good experience, boring experience, bad experience?

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01:46:47,973 --> 01:46:50,253
Speaker 2: Yeah? And would you pay for a fake jury? At

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01:46:50,293 --> 01:46:51,572
Speaker 2: over one hundred bucks an hours?

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01:46:51,652 --> 01:46:54,452
Speaker 3: I'd pay for that one. That looks amazing really well.

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01:46:54,853 --> 01:46:56,893
Speaker 3: The fact that you can talk to the accused and

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01:46:57,812 --> 01:47:00,412
Speaker 3: is it the plaintiff the victim. So they bring actors

2234
01:47:00,492 --> 01:47:02,492
Speaker 3: in that you can have we chat to about did

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01:47:02,532 --> 01:47:02,852
Speaker 3: you do it?

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01:47:03,612 --> 01:47:05,572
Speaker 2: I imagine you get nothing but the best actors for

2237
01:47:05,652 --> 01:47:08,093
Speaker 2: this gig, nothing but the pest.

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01:47:08,532 --> 01:47:09,932
Speaker 3: It is hat to four.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: I'd be afternoon. We're talking about your experience has been

2242
01:47:21,532 --> 01:47:24,412
Speaker 3: on a jury on the back of a new Escape

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01:47:24,492 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 3: room theme that is taking the world by storm.

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01:47:27,293 --> 01:47:28,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, you pat one hundred bucks to be

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01:47:28,812 --> 01:47:32,452
Speaker 2: on a jury. Have a fake jury. This TEXTI here

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01:47:33,213 --> 01:47:37,053
Speaker 2: hates juries completely, fake ones and real ones. Actually hates

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01:47:37,093 --> 01:47:40,372
Speaker 2: the real ones more. Juries are ridiculous. What other occasion

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01:47:40,412 --> 01:47:42,652
Speaker 2: would you allow people who know nothing about a subject

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01:47:42,732 --> 01:47:44,892
Speaker 2: make a life change your decision of others? Much better

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01:47:44,973 --> 01:47:49,213
Speaker 2: for serious cases with judges who have a majority and

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01:47:49,293 --> 01:47:51,732
Speaker 2: know what they're talking about. See, that's but that's the

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01:47:51,812 --> 01:47:54,452
Speaker 2: problem because who appoints the judges, And then if the

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01:47:54,652 --> 01:47:58,132
Speaker 2: judges on the you only have judges and they're appointed

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01:47:58,213 --> 01:48:01,732
Speaker 2: by the government, then a bas a bias will come through.

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Speaker 2: So even though the jury system is not perfect, it

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Speaker 2: is it means that the people are judging themselves. Yeah,

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01:48:10,093 --> 01:48:14,652
Speaker 2: randomly selecting twelve people out of the populace judging themselves.

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01:48:14,692 --> 01:48:19,053
Speaker 2: I think that's that's an absolute bedrock of justice. Yeah,

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01:48:19,213 --> 01:48:23,452
Speaker 2: otherwise justice is always being inflicted from above, as it were.

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Speaker 3: It's the best we've got and no one's come up

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01:48:25,372 --> 01:48:28,253
Speaker 3: with anything better. Oh, eight hundred and eighteen eighty is

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01:48:28,293 --> 01:48:28,972
Speaker 3: the number to call.

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Speaker 2: James, welcome the show. You've been on a few.

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Speaker 7: Juries, a couple they in the mid late late eighties

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Speaker 7: for those years before I lost my site. But first

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01:48:41,853 --> 01:48:48,172
Speaker 7: time round I got along one jury. It was basically

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01:48:48,973 --> 01:48:54,173
Speaker 7: the first day in the morning, I got challenged, so

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01:48:54,213 --> 01:48:57,173
Speaker 7: I had to sit down, and then the second case

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01:48:58,452 --> 01:49:01,013
Speaker 7: I got set on the jury. In that case took

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Speaker 7: a couple of days. It was basically a straightforward burglary

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01:49:06,013 --> 01:49:11,892
Speaker 7: you burglary case, you know, stealing expensive goods when hiding them,

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Speaker 7: And that lasted about two and a half days and

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01:49:17,133 --> 01:49:22,492
Speaker 7: it was an interesting experience. But the second time around

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01:49:22,492 --> 01:49:24,973
Speaker 7: about two two years and three years later and I

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01:49:25,093 --> 01:49:28,612
Speaker 7: got called again again. I got challenged in the first

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01:49:28,692 --> 01:49:30,732
Speaker 7: and second time, so I had to come back on

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01:49:30,812 --> 01:49:37,333
Speaker 7: the Tuesday, and on the Wednesday they bought us together

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01:49:37,372 --> 01:49:39,973
Speaker 7: and then they marched just all over the High Court.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I got upgraded, James, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't get on the jury for that one,

2281
01:49:47,452 --> 01:49:52,572
Speaker 7: but it was quite interesting just to see how that went,

2282
01:49:53,293 --> 01:49:55,732
Speaker 7: especially going into the High Court. They were a bit

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01:49:55,812 --> 01:49:59,772
Speaker 7: more formal than procedures. I don't know how it is now.

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01:50:00,372 --> 01:50:03,572
Speaker 7: When it was the Supreme Court placing the High Court,

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01:50:03,652 --> 01:50:07,572
Speaker 7: I think, but back then the procedures were quite formal.

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01:50:08,973 --> 01:50:11,412
Speaker 2: Can you not be on a jury? James? Have you

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01:50:11,492 --> 01:50:14,093
Speaker 2: said that you've you've lost your site? Can you not

2288
01:50:14,213 --> 01:50:16,372
Speaker 2: be on a jury? If if you've lost your site?

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01:50:16,412 --> 01:50:17,013
Speaker 2: I think you can.

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01:50:18,053 --> 01:50:21,412
Speaker 7: I'm not sure, I really are. I really am not sure.

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01:50:22,013 --> 01:50:24,213
Speaker 2: But because I'm just looking, I'm just looking at who

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01:50:24,253 --> 01:50:26,333
Speaker 2: can't be a juror on the site. So it's a

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Speaker 2: member of Parliament, the Government general, judge, member of the Proboard,

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01:50:30,053 --> 01:50:33,733
Speaker 2: a barrister, a solicitor, a Justice of the Peace, employees

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01:50:33,772 --> 01:50:36,812
Speaker 2: of the Department of Christianities, are a person with an

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01:50:37,293 --> 01:50:41,013
Speaker 2: intellectual disability. But not I think you can still. I

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01:50:41,093 --> 01:50:44,893
Speaker 2: think I think that they make allowances, you know, so

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01:50:45,013 --> 01:50:47,253
Speaker 2: the evidence can be served up in a in an

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Speaker 2: audio form.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think I want time to go on

2301
01:50:51,372 --> 01:50:54,013
Speaker 7: a jury, but I've never got another letter in the

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01:50:54,452 --> 01:51:00,013
Speaker 7: ensuing years. But it was it was an interesting experience.

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01:51:02,013 --> 01:51:05,892
Speaker 7: It's just fort of just to learn how the system works.

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01:51:06,253 --> 01:51:09,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean I would like to experienced that.

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01:51:09,173 --> 01:51:11,892
Speaker 2: Thanks for your call, James. The Texas says, I've been

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01:51:11,933 --> 01:51:15,333
Speaker 2: on a jury, very scary. Ninety nine percent of the population.

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Speaker 6: I D I e.

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Speaker 2: The jury of your peers are absolute morons, but they

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Speaker 2: are our peers.

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01:51:26,372 --> 01:51:28,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your hope. Between twelve of them, there's a

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01:51:28,692 --> 01:51:31,532
Speaker 3: consensus of some some sort of intelligence that comes through.

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01:51:31,692 --> 01:51:35,132
Speaker 2: I have heard that that people have been quite shocked

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01:51:35,652 --> 01:51:38,452
Speaker 2: at how dumb some of the people on that jury.

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01:51:40,333 --> 01:51:42,133
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is.

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01:51:42,173 --> 01:51:45,852
Speaker 2: The You know, there's been plenty of travesties of justice

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01:51:45,933 --> 01:51:47,052
Speaker 2: performed by smart people.

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01:51:47,253 --> 01:51:50,452
Speaker 3: Exactly nicely said. It is eleven to four.

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01:51:52,093 --> 01:51:55,492
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2319
01:51:55,812 --> 01:51:59,612
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is seven and four and we're talking

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01:52:05,133 --> 01:52:08,572
Speaker 3: about your experiences on a jury. Diane, good to know.

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01:52:09,732 --> 01:52:13,893
Speaker 18: Good afternoon. I've got a story sort of similar to

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01:52:13,973 --> 01:52:16,412
Speaker 18: the woman who was on before, where we went into

2325
01:52:16,452 --> 01:52:19,333
Speaker 18: the jury room and I spoke up and said, well,

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01:52:19,372 --> 01:52:20,213
Speaker 18: who's done this before?

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01:52:20,253 --> 01:52:22,173
Speaker 23: And no one, So I ended up being the foreman.

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01:52:23,253 --> 01:52:27,213
Speaker 18: But the other interesting factor in our case the Crown

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01:52:27,293 --> 01:52:30,492
Speaker 18: Council never gave enough evidence. They never proved that this

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01:52:30,612 --> 01:52:33,732
Speaker 18: person did what they were meant to have done and

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01:52:34,772 --> 01:52:38,092
Speaker 18: with that that was our reasoning behind. We were really fortunate.

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01:52:38,173 --> 01:52:41,412
Speaker 18: We had a cross section of the community in our jury,

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01:52:41,452 --> 01:52:44,692
Speaker 18: which was fantastic, including doctors, nurses, teachers, you know, a

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01:52:44,812 --> 01:52:45,372
Speaker 18: cross section.

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Speaker 14: We had a university.

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01:52:47,213 --> 01:52:49,452
Speaker 18: Student who took a hold of the manuscript of the

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01:52:50,652 --> 01:52:53,133
Speaker 18: court I don't know what it's called, but the court proceedings,

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01:52:53,812 --> 01:52:57,133
Speaker 18: and he learned it. Learned it, I should say, so

2339
01:52:57,253 --> 01:53:00,093
Speaker 18: when everyone, when anyone asked a question, he would find

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01:53:00,133 --> 01:53:01,572
Speaker 18: the spot and they would say, oh, no, this is

2341
01:53:01,612 --> 01:53:04,412
Speaker 18: what happened there. So we were all making sort of

2342
01:53:04,412 --> 01:53:07,492
Speaker 18: assumptions on occasion and he would pull us up and

2343
01:53:07,612 --> 01:53:10,492
Speaker 18: say no. But the interesting thing, being the foreman, you

2344
01:53:10,532 --> 01:53:12,253
Speaker 18: actually don't get much of a say. It's like being

2345
01:53:12,293 --> 01:53:15,972
Speaker 18: a chair of a meeting. You're trying to engage everybody

2346
01:53:16,013 --> 01:53:19,572
Speaker 18: else in the in the situation. So but anyway, we

2347
01:53:19,652 --> 01:53:21,852
Speaker 18: found him not guilty, and then the next day it

2348
01:53:21,933 --> 01:53:25,612
Speaker 18: was in the paper and he was a career criminal.

2349
01:53:26,372 --> 01:53:30,412
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, you've got it, rightly guilty.

2350
01:53:30,452 --> 01:53:32,732
Speaker 18: It is probably guilty of sin. But the Crown Council

2351
01:53:33,053 --> 01:53:35,092
Speaker 18: did not prove it, did not supply enough evidence.

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01:53:37,372 --> 01:53:42,173
Speaker 2: Sorry, I must understood. So you you we live around him,

2353
01:53:42,213 --> 01:53:42,772
Speaker 2: not guilty.

2354
01:53:43,333 --> 01:53:46,052
Speaker 4: We found him not guilty evidence.

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01:53:46,253 --> 01:53:48,492
Speaker 2: But that's the system, though, isn't it Like the system

2356
01:53:48,812 --> 01:53:50,612
Speaker 2: is that they have to prove it.

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01:53:51,652 --> 01:53:55,412
Speaker 3: You know, and if the Crown doesn't prove that or

2358
01:53:55,452 --> 01:53:58,333
Speaker 3: present the evidence, then there's not much you can do, right, Diana,

2359
01:53:58,572 --> 01:54:01,012
Speaker 3: what you're here in the courtroom is the only information

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01:54:01,133 --> 01:54:01,612
Speaker 3: you can use.

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Speaker 18: Correct. The other interesting thing was the crown solers that

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01:54:04,973 --> 01:54:07,732
Speaker 18: are never looked at any of the jury. He looked

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01:54:07,772 --> 01:54:09,932
Speaker 18: at the wall above our heads and we all actually

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01:54:10,013 --> 01:54:13,213
Speaker 18: go to this. He never engaged at eye contact with any.

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Speaker 15: Of the juries.

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Speaker 18: Interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's a very strange strategy. I mean, just your experiences

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Speaker 3: on there was it that did you find the defense

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Speaker 3: lawyers in this case, we're trying to not build a

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Speaker 3: relationship with you, but we're certainly playing up some sort

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Speaker 3: of theatrics as part of the strategy to get you inside.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely young.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, the defense counselor did a good week, did a

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Speaker 18: good job, but you know we were wrong.

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Speaker 23: He would have been as guilty as.

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Speaker 3: Diane. You're great to chet to. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: for giving us a call. Welcome, have a great afternoon.

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Speaker 3: A couple of texts to wrap this up, guys, I

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Speaker 3: went to court for jury service after my employee employee

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Speaker 3: trying to get me off. While waiting for the process

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01:54:55,373 --> 01:54:57,213
Speaker 3: of picking jurors, I fell asleep and they tried to

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Speaker 3: do me for contempt of court. I then explained to

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Speaker 3: them for the past twenty five years I'd worked night

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Speaker 3: shift from five pm to five am, five days a week,

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Speaker 3: and they accepted that. That's from Dave.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Dave. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that is a discussion. I've been having such a

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Speaker 3: great time. Yeah, that was a fascinating discussion about jury servers.

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Speaker 3: And if you're keen on this escape room, we'll be

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Speaker 3: coming to New Zealand at some stage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, Well, if you see some success in New

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01:55:26,613 --> 01:55:29,852
Speaker 2: Zealand wherever you see it, celebrate it. And look, another

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Speaker 2: thing I wanted to say that I've learned in the

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Speaker 2: show today is just because the breakfast host sees the

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01:55:33,533 --> 01:55:35,453
Speaker 2: movie is rubbish doesn't mean it is. I went to

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Speaker 2: Minecraft and it was very entertaining.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love that.

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Speaker 7: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Look, if you're a white Lotus fan, good luck for

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Speaker 2: tonight's season three feature length finale. It's going to be tense,

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Speaker 2: it is. I really hope Chelsea survives I love Chelsea.

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01:55:47,893 --> 01:55:48,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, she is a great character.

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01:55:49,013 --> 01:55:53,812
Speaker 2: I love Chelsea and the Wife, the Wife, the Southern Wife, Parker, Parker, Posey,

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Speaker 2: the buddhis.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: She's a great, great interest, great character.

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Speaker 2: She needs a bullet. See you tomorrow for another episode

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Speaker 2: of Matt and Tyler Afternoons. Until then, give him a

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Speaker 2: taste of.

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Speaker 4: Key m HM.

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