1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Just a warning. This episode contains details about cruelty to 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: animals that some of our audience may find upsetting. Please 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: take care while listening, Kiyota. 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by The New Zealand Herald. A major 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: barrier to escaping family violence is the heartache of leaving your. 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: Pet behind to get out. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: Every day, pets are used as a tool to control 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: and harm victims experiencing family violence. Pet Refuge provides a safe, 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: temporary haven for pets, and demand for their shelter is 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: at an all time high. They've reported a nineteen percent 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: increase year on year for help. 13 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: So what does this say about New. 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: Zealand's unacceptably high and persue assistant rate of family violence? 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: Today on the Front Page, Dame Julie Chapman is with 16 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: us to take us through the often forgotten lives of 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: the pets caught in the crossfire. 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: Julie, So there's been a huge. 19 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: Jump in demand for this kind of support, Tell me 20 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: about it. 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, there really has. 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 4: I think is more awareness grows of the service that 23 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: we provide. We're getting more referrals than ever from women's 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: refuge police and also victims of family violence themselves. And 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 4: in the last year we have supported one hundred and 26 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 4: twenty one families, which is a nineteen percent increase on 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: the previous year, and I think. 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: Early indications are. 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 4: This year that that is not slowing down, and I 30 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: think it's you know, for your viewers and listeners, what's 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 4: important to unders stand about what Pet Refuge does is 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 4: when a pet comes into our care, they can end 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 4: up staying with us for up to four months. So 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 4: it's a heavy commitment that we make to keeping those 35 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 4: pets safe for as long as they need while their 36 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 4: families are in women's refuge, emergency housing and securing their 37 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 4: own safety. 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: How are pets usually used in family violence situations? 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the really awful, heartbreaking, sad part that's 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: been quite hidden for a long time. Pets are used 41 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 4: as a means of coercive control. And what that means 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 4: is often abusive partners will injure the pet intentionally or 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: threaten to injure the pet. They do that to gain 44 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: control over their partners or children. Often children will witnessed 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: their pet being injured or hurt, and we have seen 46 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 4: some horrific cases of injury and even threats of death 47 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: being carried out against pets, family pets, and it's all 48 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 4: about that control. Ninety percent of the pets that come 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: to us have some kind of issue or medical issue 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: or injury that needs treatment over and above your normal 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: flea worm vaccination because of the abuse that they've had 52 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: to suffer. 53 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: Well, I can imagine. So dogs and cats must be 54 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: the top targets. Have you ever seen any kind of 55 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: any other animals come through to pet refuge? What if 56 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: I've got, you know, a pataguana or. 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: Something, well, we can help you. 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: So we have had and we taken and look after 59 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: animals of all types. 60 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: So just sort of talking about what that looks like. 61 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: We've had fish and a few and new people wonder. 62 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: What can be done to fish. Well, we know that 63 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: sometimes when a family might have fish, an abusive person 64 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: will tip chemicals into the fish tank which then kills 65 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: the fish and as a form of control or a 66 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 3: threat to the people and the children. 67 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: So we have had fish, we have had water dragons, 68 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 4: so lizards, we've had obviously, rabbits, guinea pigs, and then. 69 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: There's your larger farm animals. 70 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: So we have looked after horses, cows, goats. 71 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: Then in the bird category, we've had. 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: Chickens, parrots, budgies, lorikeets, lovebirds, you name it. Anything that 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: is important as a family pet and companion for somebody. 74 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 4: Pet Refuge can look after them and we taken pets 75 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 4: from all over New Zealand. 76 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: Anecdotally, I suppose it would be quite difficult if you're 77 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: in that kind of family violence situation and you don't 78 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: want to leave your beloved pet with the person that 79 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: you are trying to escape. What are some of the 80 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: reasons that women have given you as to how long 81 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: that they've stayed or what was that final push to say, look, 82 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: I've had enough, I'm leaving. 83 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: So we know research actually shows that fifty three percent 84 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: of women delay leaving out of fear for their pets safety. 85 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: And the research also shows that around twenty three percent 86 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 4: have a family pet killed as part of family violence, 87 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: and that is the reason why victims stay longer. 88 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: It's because they know that if. 89 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: They leave their pet, it is likely that they will 90 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 4: be injured, neglected, abused, and they're part of the family. 91 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: And often for victims of family violence, you know, especially 92 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: women and children. And of course we help men as 93 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: well who need our support. That animal is their source 94 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 4: of comfort, it's their source of strength in a time 95 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: that they're going through this horrific situation. And so women 96 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 4: and men have literally told us that they haven't left 97 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: because until pet recuge came along, there was nowhere for 98 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 4: pets to go, and putting them into private boarding facilities 99 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: is expensive, can be up to forty dollars a day, 100 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: and of course financial abuse is a big part of 101 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: family violence as well, where money is with how and 102 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: not shared. So knowing that their pets are safe and 103 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: that they can stay with us while they secure their 104 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: own safety and rebuild their lives has literally given people 105 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 4: the impetus to make that decision. 106 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: And some people that. 107 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 5: We have taught to have lived with this for twenty 108 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 5: or thirty years and had various pets over that time 109 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 5: that have suffered, and now they're saying enough because we 110 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 5: know there is a place for the pets to go. 111 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: When you think of an example of this happening, what's 112 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: the first one that comes to mind, what's one that's 113 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: really stood out to you? 114 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: It's pretty graphic, so I'll sort of keep the details 115 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: as top line as I can, but there are a 116 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 4: couple that have really stood out for me. One was 117 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 4: a dog that came to us actually three leaps at 118 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: the time, and that was because in a previous abuse 119 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: situation within that relationship, the perpetrator had broken the. 120 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: Dog's leg and it needed to be amputated. 121 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: When that dog came to us, it had other injuries 122 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 4: when the person had finally decided to actually leave, including 123 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: cigarette burns, a burnt tail, and various other wounds and 124 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: things that were inflicted by the abuser. The other case 125 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: that I think will stay with me for a very 126 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 4: long time is where a dog was chained to a 127 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: back of a car and dragged along the street, and 128 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: that dog sustained horrific injuries. But for those listening who 129 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 4: feel upset by that, I think it's really good to 130 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: know that that woman and her dog are out of 131 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: the situation and the dog has actually fully healed now. 132 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: But that took a long time and a. 133 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 4: Lot of specialist care, all of which Refuge is able 134 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 4: to cover. 135 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 6: What's he life like now here, as I think that's 136 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 6: the most important. 137 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: The ones obviously they're digging for sentry. 138 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 6: They're having a good time with this toy here, and 139 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 6: I think this is pretty representative of what a day 140 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 6: in the shelter is. Like the phenomenal stuff we have here. 141 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 6: They understand how important each unique yet is. So it's 142 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 6: all about making sure that each pet is cared for 143 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 6: in the way that they need to be. 144 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: That's enrichment, rehabilitation. We take care of all veterinary costs. 145 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 6: Food costs, travel across the country to make sure that 146 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 6: we can offer a national service. And I think just 147 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 6: the love and the attention and the enrichment and the training, 148 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 6: it's just second to none, and good truths, great, true, great, 149 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 6: great tree. 150 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: I can imagine people could say something like, you know, well, 151 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: if you can't look after your pet, then just drop 152 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: it off to the SPCA or something. But I suppose 153 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: my initial reaction when someone might say that is well, 154 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: you've obviously never loved or I had a family pet before, 155 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: because I can imagine that the relationship with said pet 156 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: would actually help someone after they leave a violent situation 157 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: in terms of their journey on their journey to healing 158 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: as well. 159 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 4: And I would be I'd have a pretty strong view 160 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 4: on saying why should a person that loves their pit 161 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 4: kids for their pet have to surrender their pet because 162 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 4: of the actions of someone else who was using that 163 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 4: pit as a means of control. 164 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: I would also say. 165 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: You know, the SPCA overwhelmed with the number of you know, 166 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: abandoned and neglected pets, So it's not as easy as 167 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 4: you think to just go and drop off your pet 168 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: to the SPCA. 169 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: And when you're a person that. 170 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: Has that great love and that great connection with your pet, 171 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: the last thing you want to do when you're in 172 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: a violent situation is have to lose something else in 173 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 4: your life that that is part of you and as 174 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 4: part of your family. So I would absolutely say, unless 175 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 4: you've walked in somebody's shoes who's going through this situation, 176 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 4: you shouldn't be telling them they should just. 177 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: Give up their pet. 178 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: This was obviously born from there being a massive gap 179 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: in the market, you know, market quote unquote. What do 180 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: you think are there any other gaps that need to 181 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: be filled in xist in New Zealand's family violence support 182 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: system kind of like this one. 183 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this idea literally came about from a 184 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 4: colleague of mine having a conversation with someone from a 185 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 4: woman's refuge, and the woman's refuge person saying I wish 186 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: there was somewhere for pets to go. And that was 187 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: a light bulb moment for me because I wanted to 188 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 4: do something for animals. 189 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 3: For a really long time. And it was a big gap. 190 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 4: Because we have the highest statistics in the reporting rates 191 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: of family violence in the OECD. Sixty three percent of 192 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 4: New Zealand households also have a family pet. So when 193 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 4: you put those two things together, you can see that 194 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: that is a massive issue and that's why this service 195 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 4: is needed, and that's why we're seeing. 196 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: The need grow all the time. 197 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 4: I think that one of the things that we're advocating 198 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 4: for and we have been doing some work with to 199 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: Tour and she's been working with Ministry of Justice to 200 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 4: look at how we can bring that part of the 201 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 4: legislation more to the forefront so that victims of family 202 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 4: violence when they're looking at protection orders, can actually understand 203 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 4: that there are things they can do to ask for 204 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: protection for their pets. In Australia, they've recently changed the 205 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: laws to give much greater protection for pets as part 206 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:35,359 Speaker 4: of family violence, and so i'd love to see that continue, 207 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 4: that work continue to evolve here in New Zealand. 208 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: The other thing that. 209 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 4: I really really advocate for and really want to see 210 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: is when police are attending family family home family violence incidents, 211 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 4: on the form that they complete, I would love to 212 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: see a section added into that around pets in the 213 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 4: whole home and whether they need help in getting out 214 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 4: and help for those pets or whether those pets have 215 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 4: in fact been the subject of abuse as part of 216 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 4: that as well. So I'm on the case on that. 217 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: Well, it is just such the whole idea of it 218 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: is so obvious, yet at the same time so unseen. Hey, 219 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: we don't see anything said about it. And the fact 220 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: that that Pet Refuge was kind of the first organization 221 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: to even come up with a solution of any kind. 222 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: And I suppose do you think it's so unseen because 223 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: the stories and abuse in these types of situations is 224 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 2: so ghastly. 225 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely think that's one of the reasons. I 226 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 4: think it's it's always been there. And I mean when 227 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: we started and we built our first shelter, we had 228 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: this plan that we thought we would stick to where 229 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 4: we would start operating at fifty percent of our total capacity, 230 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: you know, to make sure that we had enough money 231 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 4: to be able to do that, because we rely on 232 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 4: donations and all of those things, well, that just completely 233 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 4: went out the window. We were operating within the first 234 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 4: few weeks at one hundred percent capacity. It was like 235 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: a floodgate had opened with the various agencies, women's refuge, 236 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: police and even with victims themselves where there was finally 237 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: something they could do to keep their pets safe. And 238 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 4: so it literally was the catalyst for quite a lot 239 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: of people to actually have the courage to leave. And 240 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: I think it's it's been hidden for so long because 241 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: the stories and the cases that our team deal with 242 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: on a daily basis are horrific. They're sad, they're extremely violent, 243 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 4: and a lot of people victims are so embarrassed to 244 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 4: even tell somebody that their pet is also suffering their 245 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 4: abuse as part of what they're going through. 246 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Julie, Thank. 247 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: You so much, great to talk to you. 248 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of The Front Page. You 249 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: can read more about today's stories and extensive news coverage 250 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: at enzidherld dot co dot enz The Front Page is 251 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: hosted and produced by me Chelsea Daniels Caine. 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