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Speaker 1: Frame Bridge event promoter Brent Eenkles has made a suggestion

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Speaker 1: for how to avoid another Juicy Fest to Barkle the

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Speaker 1: to catch you up on this, The promoter of the

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Speaker 1: Juicy Fest and Timeless Summer events have gone bust. They

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Speaker 1: it's looking like people who bought their tickets to those

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Speaker 1: events won't be able to get refunds because the money's well,

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Speaker 1: it's all gone. Brent Eckles of Eckles Entertainment spoke to

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Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler on ZB Afternoons. He says ticketing companies

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Speaker 1: should be forced to hold on to all the ticket

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Speaker 1: money until after an event has actually happened.

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Speaker 2: The only effect would be that the punter is protected

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Speaker 2: and if things go wrong, and they do go wrong,

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Speaker 2: they go wrong for me as well. But you know

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Speaker 2: that the money, the ticket money goes straight back to

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Speaker 2: the ticket buyer as the free person you do it for.

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Speaker 2: Show is canceled.

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Speaker 1: So how will this work with smaller productions? Owen Evans

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Speaker 1: is an event promoter managing director of Low Fire Productions.

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Speaker 1: Hello Owen, good, how are you good? Thank you? So?

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Speaker 1: How does it normally work? Do you if it's particularly

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Speaker 1: a smaller event, would you hold on to the money

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Speaker 1: until the event or do you need to spend it first?

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Speaker 3: Look, that's this is very nuanced. We've been on both sides.

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Speaker 3: We're dealing with an industry with a massive lack of

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Speaker 3: integrity a lot of the time. So whereas I don't

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Speaker 3: have the answer, but I will say the size that

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Speaker 3: we are. We if if the ticketing company held onto

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Speaker 3: the ticketing money until after the event, we we wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be able to throw events. We we rely on early

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Speaker 3: bird ticketing and ticketing systems to get cash flow and

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Speaker 3: so that we can throw events. Now where of the size,

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Speaker 3: where we where how we work is we will we

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Speaker 3: will throw four or five smaller gigs a year, club

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Speaker 3: gigs to get money in the bank, and then we'll

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Speaker 3: take a risk on a festival and usually most of

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Speaker 3: the time festivals lose money. We do it for the

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Speaker 3: love and the passion. It's just the size we are.

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Speaker 3: We're also we're also housing techno in a in a

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Speaker 3: in a country that predominantly predominantly loves drum and base,

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Speaker 3: so we're always up against it. But if we didn't

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Speaker 3: have that cash flow, we wouldn't be able to to

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Speaker 3: to run basically, so you would kill. You would kill

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Speaker 3: a lot of small time promoters like myself if you

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Speaker 3: went down that track.

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Speaker 1: What's the reason gigs are normally canceled? Is it? Is

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Speaker 1: it usually because the artist pulls out, or you know,

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Speaker 1: because they often give the excuse you know, un forseeen

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Speaker 1: circumstances or whatever. What's the real reason that stuff?

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Speaker 3: Well? I don't know. For us. The only the only

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Speaker 3: time we we struggled to pay people was either knock

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Speaker 3: on effect from from not being paid by other people

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Speaker 3: or things like the floods and COVID, and we we

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Speaker 3: had to we had to dig into our own pockets

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Speaker 3: to pay that or I think with the I think

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Speaker 3: with COVID we had to do a couple more gigs

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Speaker 3: to get the money into to pay the past. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: if if an act cancels, we're so far we're so

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Speaker 3: far away from everything that Like, if an act cancels,

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Speaker 3: you can't just replace it with another DJ or act

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Speaker 3: because we don't have that level of quality and pull in.

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Speaker 3: We have acts that are amazing, But if you have

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Speaker 3: an act that pulls ten thousand people and then they

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Speaker 3: pull out, like you can't replace them like she had

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Speaker 3: or something unexpected to work like, yeah, yeah, there's no answer, so.

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Speaker 1: The tyranny of distance. I appreciate you coming on the

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Speaker 1: show mate, thanks for your time. Yeah no, thanks bout

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Speaker 1: cheers and that's own Evans. He's an event promoter, pushing

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Speaker 1: back a little bit at this idea that you should

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Speaker 1: get all big festivals, small festivals, any size festival to

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Speaker 1: hold onto all the ticket money until the event is

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Speaker 1: actually been held to avoid another juicy fest. For more

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