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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 2: get connected.

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Speaker 1: New Stalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon. The government's just announced what's in and

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Speaker 3: what's out of the land transport plan for the next

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Speaker 3: three years. We'll talk to the Transport Minister Simmy and

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Speaker 3: Brown after five. Yes, not looking good for the GPS.

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Speaker 3: Eight ninety percent are either raising prices or already have.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to them about that later on.

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Speaker 3: And what the heck is dynamic pricing on the concert

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Speaker 3: tickets post Oasis? Is it okay for ticket Master to

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Speaker 3: be doing this? To speak to consumer New Zealand about that?

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen, tell.

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Speaker 3: You what I'm loving today is the frustration that some

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Speaker 3: people appear to have over the South African response to

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Speaker 3: the hucker at the weekend. I think it's great what

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Speaker 3: they did over in joe Berg and this is the

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Speaker 3: best response we've ever seen to a hucker. We've had

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Speaker 3: the singing, and we've had the staring, and we've had

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Speaker 3: the teams turning away and the weird shapes on the field.

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Speaker 3: No one's ever brought a plane to the game before

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Speaker 3: they it was absolutely epic. Look, I've got to be honestly,

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Speaker 3: I'm not totally convinced it was deliberate. In fact, I

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Speaker 3: think chances are it probably wasn't, because, I mean, how

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Speaker 3: do you time a jumbo jet to fly over a

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Speaker 3: stadium at exactly the right time. That's hard enough to do,

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Speaker 3: never mind the fact you're now factoring in that the

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Speaker 3: start of the Hucker can be delayed or can be

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Speaker 3: brought forward. So how do you time it perfectly for that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, look to me, like on Sunday morning, the

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Speaker 3: Huker was actually delayed because it looked like before they

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Speaker 3: got to it, the All Blacks did a prayer for

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Speaker 3: the late King to hate you. So once you start,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I just feel like there

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Speaker 3: are too many moving parts here time wise for me

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Speaker 3: to be convinced that that flyover was deliberately timed to

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Speaker 3: drown out the Hukker, which obviously then meant that the

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Speaker 3: pirate technics and the stadium music that then kicked off

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Speaker 3: when the plane flew over was probably also not deliberate,

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Speaker 3: did a great job of drowning out the Hucker, but

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Speaker 3: probably wasn't deliberate. I still loved it though, because it

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Speaker 3: was just so epic, the old la from the crowd

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Speaker 3: that was going on, which actually was really loud. That

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Speaker 3: was deliberate, for sure. But you know that's not unusual.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we hear this kind of stuff all the time.

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Speaker 3: Swing low sweet Cherriot happens all the time. Fortunately, judging

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Speaker 3: by the online reaction, it seems only a minority are

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Speaker 3: upset about this. I mean it's a sizeable minority, but

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Speaker 3: it is still a minority. The vast majority of us

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Speaker 3: don't really mind where we saw it for the spectacle

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Speaker 3: it was, which I'm pleased about, because the truth is,

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Speaker 3: the rugby world indulges us, don't they. I mean, we

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Speaker 3: are the only ones who do a performance before our

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Speaker 3: game every single time, and they let us do it.

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Speaker 3: They don't do anything, you know, to reciprocate. They just

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Speaker 3: let us do it. So we are very lucky that

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Speaker 3: they tolerate us. And frankly, if they want to respond

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Speaker 3: from time to time, you know, which includes whatever, even

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Speaker 3: even a plane, if it was deliberate, I enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: I enjoy seeing what they bring to the table because

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Speaker 3: it only I think adds to the drama. Of the game,

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Speaker 3: ever do for c Elleney two is the number in

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Speaker 3: the standard text fees a ploy oversely, I'm dying to

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Speaker 3: hear what you've got to say about it, so go

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Speaker 3: on hit me with it. On another subject, toast has

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Speaker 3: become the latest health issue. So what's happened here is

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Speaker 3: the Health Minister Shane that Ettie has had to step

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Speaker 3: in to see to make sure that the toast returns

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Speaker 3: to the Wellington Regional Hospital maternity ward. Usually mums who've

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Speaker 3: just given birth are offered a little bit of toast,

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Speaker 3: but how New Zealand says that on the advice of dieticians,

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Speaker 3: they've switched to offering a meal instead. Alison Eddie is

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Speaker 3: the College of Midwives Chief Executive and with us now,

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Speaker 3: Hey Allison, Hi, Heather, how are you? I'm well? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Is this really a nutrition thing or is it actually

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Speaker 3: a budget thing?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: Difficult to say, isn't it. I mean we've had an

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Speaker 5: age old tradition of toast and tea after labor and booth.

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Speaker 5: It's lots of reasons for that. Woman often don't feel

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Speaker 5: like a full meal, just like Marason, runners don't feel

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Speaker 5: like sitting down to a nutritious meal or a big

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Speaker 5: meal after running the marathon. You know, women that have

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Speaker 5: been through the process of labor often wants something light

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Speaker 5: cultural value as well. And so you know, I know

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Speaker 5: that the health system is under incredible pressure at the

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Speaker 5: moment to save money. So it does seem as if

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Speaker 5: there may have been a motive around that.

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Speaker 3: Hard to say, Okay, let's assume. Let's assume we'll deal

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Speaker 3: each with each one differently. Okay, So Allison, if it

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Speaker 3: is a budget tree thing, really, how much money are

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Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't seem like a very extensive commodity.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about, Like, we're not talking about the

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Speaker 3: fancy gluten re vogels here are we. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: pretty straight up and down white.

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Speaker 5: Bread, pretty much standard hospital issue. But like the coffee, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: nothing flesh.

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Speaker 3: Okay. They say that staff have also been nibbling, nibbling

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Speaker 3: the toast. Even then, though I find it hard to

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Speaker 3: begrudge this because the staff sometimes have to do overtime

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Speaker 3: and stuff, So surely you're entitled to a couple of

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Speaker 5: Oh well, I mean I think mostly people bring their

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Speaker 5: own food in because they often don't get a very

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Speaker 5: and to get to the cafeteria and back in half

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Speaker 5: an hour's almost impossible. And if you get half, if

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Speaker 5: you're like get half an hour, but out in the

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Speaker 5: to know you're working extra hours. Maybe you might have

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Speaker 5: a piece of toast. But I mean, people are very

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Speaker 5: aware that it is for the patients and your families

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Speaker 5: and would never begrudge them there at their own expense.

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Speaker 5: But actually, if we can't look after our stuff, that's

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Speaker 5: a bit sad as well as Okay, now, let's.

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Speaker 3: Assume that they are telling the truth when they say

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Speaker 3: it's a nutrition thing. The problem here, it seems to me,

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Speaker 3: is that the meals in the hospitals. So you can

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Speaker 3: tell me if I'm wrong, but I thought the meals

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Speaker 3: in the hospitals were prescribed times, right, So if you

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Speaker 3: get birth to half the breakfast, I mean, that's tough

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Speaker 3: to ask a mum then to wait till lunchtime before

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, absolutely. The meals are delivered, it's at times and

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 5: So you need something that you can have immediately available

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Speaker 3: Also, Allison, whatever happened to us being like, literally, I've

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Speaker 3: just pushed the baby out. I'm obviously a grown up

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Speaker 3: and can make my own decisions about what I put

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Speaker 3: in my mouth and whether it's toast or not. What

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Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting. That's another interesting question. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure what the what the nutritious meal would look like.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, hospital foods are probably not that nutritious,

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Speaker 3: is it. I'm struggling to have confidence in these people

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Speaker 3: if this is the kind of stupid decision they make.

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Speaker 3: What are you am I being unfair?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think there's what I'm seeing, and

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Speaker 5: when I mean, I'm not employed by the by Health

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Speaker 5: looking for lines that they can cross out of budgets

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Speaker 5: sometimes in those situations, people don't always make thoughtful decisions

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Speaker 5: I think it was just a let's see where we

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Speaker 5: can draw a line in a budget, because we've got

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Speaker 5: so much expectation on them to do that at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Because of the number of ridiculous decisions that are being

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Speaker 3: made at the moment. There is a theory starting to deves,

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Speaker 3: a slightly conspiratorial theory. But the theory is that this

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Speaker 3: is being being done, like really stupid decisions being taken

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Speaker 3: Is that potentially what's going on.

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't know.

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Speaker 8: If it's deliberate.

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Speaker 5: It's had a lot of it's caused a lot of pushback, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: for lots of reasons.

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Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, Allison, thank you mate. I really appreciated

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Speaker 3: Alison any College of Midwife's chief executive. If I if

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Speaker 3: I to give you my take on this, I would

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Speaker 3: say that what was done was done for budgetary reasons,

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Speaker 3: and they realized how bad that looks, because oh, cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: take the food away from the woman who's just done

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Speaker 3: a marathon, you know, twenty seven hour berthing. She's the

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Speaker 3: one you should take the toast away from. They realized

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Speaker 3: how bad that looks to them. They were like, it's nutrition,

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Speaker 3: which also looks bad, because come on, just come on,

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Speaker 3: you don't need to give people, you know, their meat

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Speaker 3: and veggies after they've given birth to you. I just

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Speaker 3: don't you. That's generally what happens. Hey, Speaking of South Africa,

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Speaker 3: this big brew haha. Well, her dad. One thing we

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Speaker 3: do know about her is her dad actually is a Nigerian.

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Speaker 3: She's just won the Miss Nigeria competition because they called

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Speaker 3: the Miss Nigeria. So she's running the Miss Nigeria and

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Speaker 3: won it. So all's well, that ends well. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 1: Allen drive with one New Zealand one giant Leap for

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Speaker 1: business youth talks at b Sport with tab get your

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Speaker 1: bed on ri eighteen bed responsibly.

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Speaker 3: Geez, Heather, it's called time and distance. Maybe it wasn't

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Speaker 3: on purpose, but if you think they couldn't time it

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Speaker 3: to drown out the hockey, you're as high as that

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Speaker 3: plane less. Thank you, amos, appreciate it. Jason Pines sports

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Speaker 3: stalk coasters right here, right now to adjudicate on this Piney. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: I don't reckon it was deliberate?

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Speaker 6: Do you?

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Speaker 9: I honestly don't care. You know, do what you like?

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Speaker 3: How can you not care? It was one of the

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Speaker 3: most hilarious things that I've ever seen in a rugby game.

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Speaker 9: Jet a jet flying over the hockey. You're talking about it.

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Speaker 3: And the pirate technics and then the stadium music that

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Speaker 3: and and the looks on the faces of the All Blacks.

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Speaker 3: They were so gutted.

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Speaker 9: Do what you like. Honestly, it's called home. It's called

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Speaker 9: Well, that's what South Africa did with Malcolm Marx. He

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Speaker 3: He was doing tiny we've got to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 3: He got a statement from Health New Zealand about the

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Speaker 2: The man you trust to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and news talk as they'd be hither.

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Speaker 3: We all know the nutritional aspects of the toast thing

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Speaker 3: Heather toast provides instant gluecos from the carbohydrates, which is

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Speaker 3: No dietitian should or would ever say, don't eat toast.

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Speaker 3: So obviously they've done a gigantic backtrack on that, and

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Speaker 3: Most women don't want to have toast in any case.

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Speaker 3: What they want is a giant tray of sushi, aren't they,

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Speaker 3: Brown has just announced the new Land Transport plan. This

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Speaker 1: Next on your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and

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Speaker 2: Hither duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 3: The thing that I've gone. Somebody's corrected me. Actually, someone

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Speaker 3: Australian Treasurer Jim Chalmers says the Reserve Bank's interest rate

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Speaker 1: That is just a act.

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Speaker 3: Tens of thousands of people have protested in Israel demanding

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Speaker 3: This is the same dictator is Pugian, diktator is Bibi.

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Speaker 3: And finally, yet another case of employees being replaced by machines.

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Speaker 2: International correspondence with NS and Eye Insurance. Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Peters and six PR Perk Life presenters with us Oli.

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Speaker 3: I love how you immediately went defensive. You shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: defensive about this. We lost to the Argie's the first

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Speaker 3: time round, so.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know. So you're not going to win the

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Speaker 6: Rugby Championship. That's the good thing. So I think we're

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Speaker 6: going to barrack to South Africa.

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, cool. I really like how kind you are

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Speaker 3: about It's a lot about your character, Olie.

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Speaker 13: You enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: While at lasts, mate, tell me about this woman. How

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Speaker 3: was she after the morning?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so she was one of the handlers of this

447
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Speaker 14: particular tiger and she's been more. Her arms in a

448
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Speaker 14: bad state. She's okay, she's in a stable condition in hospital.

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Speaker 14: Obviously her arm's not okay. She suffered deep lacerations. This

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Speaker 14: is on the Gold Coast, of course, at dream World,

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Speaker 14: very very popular with tourists.

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Speaker 6: They've got about nine tigers there.

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Speaker 14: We don't know exactly what happened this morning, but she's

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Speaker 14: one of the handlers and they do offer packages where

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Speaker 14: you can get up in close within centimeters of feeding

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Speaker 14: these tigers if you're age thirteen and above use some tongs.

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Speaker 14: So it's a popular exhibition at dream World. There's also

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Speaker 14: been two other incidents involving handlers back in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 14: so it's not like it's the first time it's happened,

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Speaker 14: and you think maybe dream World has to consider what

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Speaker 14: they're doing in regards to their handlers and offering the

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Speaker 14: opportunity for people to go and feed these tigers, because

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Speaker 14: we've got another handler who's got some deep lacerations to

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Speaker 14: her arm in hospital in a stable condition, but it

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Speaker 14: doesn't sound good.

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Speaker 3: Do we have any idea what caused the tiger to

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Speaker 3: do this?

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Speaker 14: No, we don't at the moment. We don't have any

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Speaker 14: information that's come through. There's obviously the investigation on going,

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Speaker 14: as you'd expect. They're say it's an isolated it's a

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Speaker 14: rare incident. Their focuses on the team member, so they're

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Speaker 14: not giving us any info yet.

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Speaker 6: But you know, you can just imagine what was happening

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Speaker 6: this morning.

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Speaker 14: With that handler and the tiger and probably preparing for

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Speaker 14: some of these opportunities to feed the tigers.

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Speaker 6: And that's maybe where it's happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, how's the weather in Victoria. What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's actually pretty scary.

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Speaker 14: You don't there any wind, which they're calling it basically

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Speaker 14: category three cyclonic conditions.

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Speaker 6: They're not getting the rain, they're getting that sort of wind.

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Speaker 14: And these wind gusts are now spreading into New South

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Speaker 14: Wales and actually South Australia and Tasmania. So look, a

485
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Speaker 14: lot of southeastern Australia is absolutely coppying it at the moment. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 14: a woman on the border of New South Wales and

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Speaker 14: Victoria has died after a tree came down in her home.

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Speaker 14: There are dozens of schools which have been shut today

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Speaker 14: as a result of this, people being told to work

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Speaker 14: at home, plenty of people without power, plenty of people

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Speaker 14: that even have telecommunications devices. So it actually just indicates

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Speaker 14: just how powerful this wind is that is moving through

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Speaker 14: Southeast Australia at the moment, and the Bureau of Meteorology

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Speaker 14: expects it to last through the evening.

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Speaker 6: There could be a few thunderstorms as well.

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Speaker 14: That is going to start to batter the state, but

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Speaker 14: certainly they're bracing for it at the moment. I spoke

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Speaker 14: to my mother before actually up in Sydney, Heather, and

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Speaker 14: she said they're preparing for a fair bit of wind

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Speaker 14: later this afternoon.

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Speaker 6: So I'd hate to be on an aeroplane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my goodness, I know you wouldn't want to

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Speaker 3: be at at all. Hey, what do you make of

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Speaker 3: the spat that's developed between Gym Charmers and the Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's convenient, isn't it.

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Speaker 14: As the Prime Minister was just defending Jim Charmers there

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Speaker 14: in the world wise. Yeah, we realized things are going

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Speaker 14: to be soft Wednesday, but Jim Charmers has come out

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Speaker 14: to have a crack at the reserve banks and they've

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Speaker 14: been keeping interest rates too high for too long. Well

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Speaker 14: maybe if Jim Chalmers looked around the world, that's what

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Speaker 14: every reserve bank.

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Speaker 6: Or central bank has been doing around the world.

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Speaker 14: But it's also because the Reserve Bank came out in

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Speaker 14: their last minutes and said government spending has been too

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Speaker 14: high for too long. So look, he made this massive

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Speaker 14: promise to Australians that inflation would come down to its

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Speaker 14: target figures by the end of the year and that

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Speaker 14: interest rates would come down. And Jim Chalmers is weighing

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Speaker 14: his political capital on this header before the next federal election,

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Speaker 14: which is due before May of next year. It's not

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Speaker 14: shaping up that way. Inflation was coming down last week

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Speaker 14: in the economic figures. But hiding all of that is

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Speaker 14: the fact that the Alban Eazy government has given all

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Speaker 14: Australians extra money to pay for their electricity bill.

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Speaker 6: So it's false. Three hundred bucks to every electricity account

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Speaker 6: holder in Australia's false.

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Speaker 14: It's not as though in flashing he's actually coming down

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Speaker 14: as much as we are led to believe.

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Speaker 6: Tim Chalmers is getting on the offensive.

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Speaker 14: He's trying to create this idea I told you so

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Speaker 14: when all of a sudden things look soft on Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: He's just trying to save his political backside. And I

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Speaker 6: think Aussies will probably start to see through all.

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Speaker 14: Of this and they'll be making up their own line

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Speaker 14: with what they can do with the amount of money

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Speaker 14: they have, with what they can spend it on, and

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Speaker 14: then they'll make that decision at.

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Speaker 6: The ballot box.

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Speaker 14: Because the polls today ain't good for Albit Easy again

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Speaker 14: they're not good for Darton either, but they're not pointing

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Speaker 14: a pretty picture for the government.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a bit of despertion from Jim Chalmers. Hey,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much, Olie appreciate it. It's only Peterson

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Speaker 3: six pr per live presenter. Hither from the first of November,

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Speaker 3: my GP is going from seventeen bucks to twenty nine

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Speaker 3: to fifty jeez, it's a third of mine. Hither I

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Speaker 3: pay nineteen bucks at the GP. The clinic is funded

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Speaker 3: and no way don't have a community services card that's

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Speaker 3: in West Harbor, Ken, Thank you very much. So maybe

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Speaker 3: I need to have a little revision here. Can I

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Speaker 3: tell you why? Okay, so this like it's a debate

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Speaker 3: in the house, isn't it. It is a debate in

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Speaker 3: the household because I mean, I'm tight, but who it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of Scottish blood in the husband and years tight.

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Speaker 3: And so he has threatened to cancel the GP and

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Speaker 3: go across the road where it is I think basically

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Speaker 3: a thousand times cheaper. And I the reason I stall

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Speaker 3: on it is because I think the GPS are awesome.

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Speaker 3: That there's these two young ones, the Crystal is one

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Speaker 3: of them. I can't remember the other one's name. But

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Speaker 3: they're young, they're in their like, oh geez, I reckon.

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Speaker 3: They might be in their late twenties or early thirties.

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Speaker 3: And you want a good GP, go for the young ones.

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Speaker 3: They are awesome gps. So I don't want to go

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Speaker 3: because I think these girls are actually really really good

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Speaker 3: at what they do. Plus then also there's always vacancies

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Speaker 3: at the GP, probably probably for a good reason, which

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Speaker 3: is how much they're charging. So then it's kind of

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Speaker 3: one of those balances that you make, which is like

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Speaker 3: I've got a toddler who gets sick all the time.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to have to wait a week to

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Speaker 3: go see the doctor. I want to be able to

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Speaker 3: go to the doctor the next day. Therefore I pay

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Speaker 3: a little bit more. Am I just being Am I

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Speaker 3: just being careless with my cash? Maybe we're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: about the coffee later on if you want to know

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Speaker 3: about I've been careless with your cash? Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Very so for senior political correspondence with US now Berry.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and good afternoon.

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Speaker 15: Heather.

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Speaker 3: Looks like Auckland's the big winner. With this land transport plan.

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Speaker 13: Yet, well it seems so and I heard you say

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Speaker 13: earlier that we've heard a lot of talking about transport.

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Speaker 13: Now we'd like to see spades in the ground and

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Speaker 13: some of the stuff being started and it doesn't happen overnight.

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Speaker 10: We know that.

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Speaker 13: I mean, the big bug bear I think for motorists

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Speaker 13: around New Zealand has always been potholes and the damage

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Speaker 13: that they can do to cars. Well, they're getting five

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Speaker 13: and a half billion over three years, while maintenance and

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Speaker 13: operations of state highways and local roads which are jointly

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Speaker 13: funded by councils incidentally, they get almost five billion dollars

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Speaker 13: state highway improvements. They are going to be very much

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Speaker 13: to the four seven billion dollars public transport services, which

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Speaker 13: is I guess more city in the cities and infrastructure

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Speaker 13: they'll be increased from five billion dollars to six and

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Speaker 13: a half billion, So they're spending a lot more money.

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Speaker 13: The only downside, I guess if you like to walk

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Speaker 13: and cycle around the place, the funding for that has

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Speaker 13: been halved from a billion to under five hundred million

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Speaker 13: dollars in this latest plan. So the last plan, when

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Speaker 13: you look at construction of new roads. That was six

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Speaker 13: point six billion. That's been increased to eight point three

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Speaker 13: billion in the current plan, So more money is being spent.

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Speaker 13: Now we want to see the work started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see. He's had a massive crack of cycle

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Speaker 3: ways and speed bumps.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear that?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, exactly, Well speed bumps. You know we've heard how

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Speaker 13: much councils spend on them, which is patently ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Did you have a look at what's going on in Wellington, Barry?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen this, but quite an

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Speaker 3: interesting little development in the Reading Cinema deal.

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Speaker 13: Oh well, is there anything that goes smooth and Wellington

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Speaker 13: when it comes to the city council. Now you'll be

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Speaker 13: aware that, in fact, the council had voted in favor

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Speaker 13: essentially of buying the land under Reading Cinemas, which is

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Speaker 13: on Courtney Place, a very prominent part of the place,

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Speaker 13: and then allowing the cinema to spend a bit more

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Speaker 13: money on doing up the place. May it earthquake proof?

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Speaker 13: Well apparently somebody leaked information of that and the allegation

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Speaker 13: was that after they voted in favor of it, a

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Speaker 13: councilor Tony Randall said he was going to publicly release

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Speaker 13: details about that particular aspect, and that allegation was made

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Speaker 13: by the Deputy Mayor Lourie foon Well.

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Speaker 6: The claim was based.

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Speaker 13: On an account given by Tory Finale's chief of staff

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Speaker 13: Nardine Walker. And you may remember her hither at part

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Speaker 13: she was the Green Party Press secretary.

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Speaker 3: At Parliament, Chloe Swarbrick.

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Speaker 13: I think she may have been actually I don't know

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Speaker 13: about married, but certainly they were partners. I think Linda Clark,

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Speaker 13: the lawyer formerly a journalist, was called in and the

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Speaker 13: rappayers spent forty three thousand dollars on inquiring into the

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Speaker 13: leak and what was going on at the council, and

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Speaker 13: they really haven't got any further ahead. You've got now

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Speaker 13: counselors licking their wounds saying that this simply isn't good enough.

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Speaker 13: And the point that has been made that the public

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Speaker 13: can see just how badly this council is being run

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Speaker 13: now the councilor Young she said, it improves their allegation

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Speaker 13: that the Code of Conduct inquiry, and that was Linda

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Speaker 13: Clark's inquiry, was a political attack by the Greens, costing

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Speaker 13: the equivalent of the average of annual rates of fifty

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Speaker 13: homes in Wellington. You'd have to say, though, you know,

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Speaker 13: really Tory far now she's come out supporting staff, saying

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Speaker 13: that they should feel empowered to raise concerns or complaints.

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Speaker 13: But honestly, is it the staff's job?

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Speaker 14: Arry?

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Speaker 3: Very good point, Hey listen, thank you very much. Really

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Speaker 3: appreciated as Barry Sober, senior political correspondent. So what I think.

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Speaker 3: I think the important thing there is what Barry was

656
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Speaker 3: just talking about was the cost of it. They blew

657
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Speaker 3: forty three thousand. Remember, got Linda Clark, friend of the

658
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Speaker 3: left in to come and investigate these counselors, and was

659
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Speaker 3: all supposed to look like it was being done Hunky

660
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Speaker 3: Dorian absolutely necessary to have it done because an anonymous

661
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Speaker 3: source had told the council. Well, it turns out the

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Speaker 3: old anonymous sources is the mayor's right hand man. A

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Speaker 3: fellow Green looks a bit like a vendetta, isn't it

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Speaker 3: a little hit job? Nine away from five?

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you? The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 12: This has been a Potto cosmic cock up, as far

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Speaker 12: as I can work out, for decades. This has been

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Speaker 12: a mess forever.

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Speaker 16: Is that fair.

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Speaker 8: Well, it seems that they have not had a policy

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Speaker 8: in play and that that.

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Speaker 12: Problem and other daughters in Queensland at the moment on

673
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Speaker 12: a contract. She's sitting in through two degrees in springs

674
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Speaker 12: just ridiculous. And I was sitting in about twenty two

675
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Speaker 12: twenty three in the country.

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Speaker 3: So something weird is going on.

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Speaker 12: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 12: the Rain driver of the Lame News talk z B.

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Speaker 6: Heather.

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Speaker 3: If I've just given birth, a piece of toast with

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Speaker 3: peanut butter and another piece of toast with roses lime

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Speaker 3: marmalade would be awesome. Mike, You're such a simple man.

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Speaker 3: I would probably got I appreciate that from you, though

684
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Speaker 3: I would probably go a giant tray of sushi and

685
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Speaker 3: a beer. That's what I sour Bear, that's what Because

686
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Speaker 3: you want to give yourself something like I can eat.

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Speaker 3: You know you're pregnant. You can eat lime marmalade, you

688
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Speaker 3: can eat peanut butter. It's not like even gone without

689
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Speaker 3: that for ten months. You want to go for something

690
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Speaker 3: you haven't had for a long time. And can you

691
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Speaker 3: imagine you only take two SIPs of that beer and

692
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Speaker 3: you'll be like where so anyway, you won't be drinking

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Speaker 3: a lot of it. By the way, speaking of transport,

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Speaker 3: have you seen what these clowns from Restore Passenger Rail

695
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Speaker 3: have been up to. I thought they got a bit quiet.

696
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: It's like where are the hand glue? As well, they

697
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Speaker 3: have canceled the Restore Passenger Rail and they've rebranded themselves

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Speaker 3: as Climate Liberation Alts here it or and they now

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Speaker 3: tar getting the cruise ships. So what they do is

700
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Speaker 3: when the crews, when the cruise ship people come in

701
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Speaker 3: and jump off with their little wheely bags, you know,

702
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Speaker 3: come down the little ramp. Oh look look, Auckland looks nice,

703
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Speaker 3: or wherever down they come the rail down down the

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Speaker 3: little ramp. What's the first thing they see? Not some

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Speaker 3: nice stuff, not some beautiful buildings. No, they see a whole

706
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Speaker 3: bunch of lunatics lying out. They're covered in fake blood,

707
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: screaming that their holiday kills people out with the megaphones,

708
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Speaker 3: all of these signs, like they're just making it super

709
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Speaker 3: unpleasant for everybody. That's our friends Restore Passenger Rail just

710
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Speaker 3: want to say quitters though, aren't they? Because what did

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Speaker 3: they do? Or they didn't restore Passenger Rail did they

712
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Speaker 3: in the end, So anyway, I'm going to hold that

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Speaker 3: against them for the rest of their lives talk about quitting.

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Speaker 3: I think we should be a little bit worried about

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Speaker 3: the story that Michael Hill Jeweler is telling us at

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Speaker 3: the moment. They've they've just reported. Unfortunately for them, they've

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Speaker 3: posted a loss for the year of four hundred and

718
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Speaker 3: seventy nine million Australian dollars, which is a turnaround on

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Speaker 3: last year's profit, which wasn't a big profit, was thirty

720
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Speaker 3: five million Australian dollars, but regardless, so you can see

721
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Speaker 3: the business is having a bit of a hard time.

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Speaker 3: According to the rest in the sect, they're actually doing

723
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Speaker 3: reasonably well though, but this is the thing we should

724
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Speaker 3: worry about. They operate in Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

725
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Speaker 3: They say the declining revenue is particularly evident in New

726
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Speaker 3: Zealand because of crime and because of the stores they've

727
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Speaker 3: had to close because of crime. That has hit their

728
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Speaker 3: bottom line by about five million Australian dollars. For this

729
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Speaker 3: new financial year, which we're already eight weeks into, New

730
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Speaker 3: Zealand is performing poorly, so same store sales for New

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Speaker 3: Zealand stores down six percent on last year. That's compared

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Speaker 3: to up five percent for the Australian stores and up

733
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Speaker 3: four percent for the Canadian stores. That'll obviously be Adrian's

734
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Speaker 3: triple recession having a crack at us there. But I

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Speaker 3: mean for Ozzie to go up five, for Canada go

736
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Speaker 3: up four, and for New Zealand to go down six

737
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Speaker 3: tells you a lot about what's going on in our economy.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to talk to Nicola Willis when she's with

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Speaker 3: us after six o'clock. Simeon Brown is with us just

740
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Speaker 3: after the news five o'clock. We'll talk to him about

741
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Speaker 3: this new Land transport plan. Then we'll have a little

742
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Speaker 3: talk about the GPS and what can be done to

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Speaker 3: help these guys out news talks 'blacking me.

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Speaker 13: When you're on a bead in your head, making you pray,

745
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Speaker 13: tell me, pray me? Are you banging down me?

746
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Speaker 1: Here?

747
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Are you banging down me?

748
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Speaker 3: Are you dangging about me?

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Speaker 2: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers.

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Speaker 1: By the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Heather due to Clan Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

753
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Speaker 2: get connected a news talk as.

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Speaker 1: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The government is putting roads front and center in

756
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Speaker 3: its three year land transport plan. This is the plan

757
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Speaker 3: all the way through to twenty twenty seven. They're spending

758
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Speaker 3: thirty three billion dollars. That includes more money for fixing potholes,

759
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Speaker 3: more money on building new roads, lease money on rail

760
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Speaker 3: and the walking and cycling budget has been slashed all

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Speaker 3: actually frankly by more than half, from one billion to

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Speaker 3: four hundred and sixty million. Transport Minister Simeon Brown is

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Speaker 3: with us now, Hey.

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Speaker 17: Samn, good afternoon Heather.

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Speaker 3: How many roads are you going to have built or

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Speaker 3: at least under construction by the next election.

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Speaker 17: Well, we've got seven new roads of national significance which

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Speaker 17: have been put in place to be starting construction over

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Speaker 17: the next three years. So those include Mill Road in Auckland,

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Speaker 17: Walkworth to Welsford, Cambridge to peat Day take a team

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Speaker 17: of Stage two. You've got the road north of christ Church,

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Speaker 17: the wood End Bypass, and you've got a couple of

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Speaker 17: others as well. So there's a range of roading projects

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Speaker 17: that we are able to bring forward due to this

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Speaker 17: significant investment to be put back into roading and roading

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Speaker 17: frankly front and center for the money that people road

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Speaker 17: users pay when they fill up their cars or pay

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Speaker 17: road user charges. That's what they want to see.

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Speaker 3: It going back into no funding at all for speed bumps.

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Speaker 3: No speed bumps in this plan.

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Speaker 17: So no, we're cutting the funding for speed bumps. In fact,

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Speaker 17: I call it an infestation of speed bumps that we've

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Speaker 17: set across our roads whilst potholes have been remaining unfilled.

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Speaker 17: So actually I want to see that money going into

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Speaker 17: filling potholes, not making it inconvenient for motorists trying to

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Speaker 17: get around.

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Speaker 3: In fact, is it a zero, like it's a zero

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Speaker 3: for the speed bumps.

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Speaker 17: That is correct, there's no further funding for speed bumps

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Speaker 17: under this National Land trends.

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Speaker 3: Me and did you tell the councils that?

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Speaker 17: Well, I think I've been very clear in terms of

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Speaker 17: all of the language, and in fact the Government Policy

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Speaker 17: Statement on Transport says that. So that's a public document

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Speaker 17: I published back in July. It says that, So that

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Speaker 17: won't come as a surprise. The reality is, I think

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Speaker 17: Kiwis are sick and tired of councils up and down

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Speaker 17: this country simply trying to slow them down and cause

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Speaker 17: congestion rather than actually increase the efficiency of their local

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Speaker 17: roading network. So that's the focus of this National Land

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Speaker 17: Transport program. You know, councils are of the road controlling authorities.

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Speaker 17: They can still go and do other things on their roads,

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Speaker 17: they just won't be receiving a subsidy from the government

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Speaker 17: for that.

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Speaker 3: Ay, your public transport budget is going up from four

806
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Speaker 3: point nine billion to six point four what are you

807
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Speaker 3: spending that on?

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Speaker 17: So that's really focused on reliability of services.

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Speaker 16: So there's a.

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Speaker 17: Significant increase in funding for the public transport services. So

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Speaker 17: in Auckland we've got the City of Rail opening, so

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Speaker 17: there's new services that need to be funded. The Eastern

813
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Speaker 17: Busway will be completed and including the Reeves Road fly

814
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Speaker 17: over there. So that's all about the reliability of those

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Speaker 17: services and making sure that they're efficient for people using them.

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Speaker 17: So there's a number of challenges in that space. That's

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Speaker 17: the real key focus.

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Speaker 3: And are you sure you should be cutting the funding

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Speaker 3: for rail given the situation that we find ourselves in

820
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Speaker 3: Auckland's rail is in big trouble. Wellington's rail seems to

821
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Speaker 3: be in a bit of trouble as well well.

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Speaker 17: There is increased funding for rail in terms of those

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Speaker 17: metro lines. In fact, we've allocated the in the budget

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Speaker 17: another one hundred and fifty nine million dollars to complete

825
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Speaker 17: the rail network rebuild in Auckland, and there's increased funding

826
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Speaker 17: also for the Wellington metros. But what we're not going

827
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Speaker 17: to be seeing is there's going to be less money

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Speaker 17: for some of those freight routes which frankly don't have

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Speaker 17: as many freight trains actually using them. The focus will

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Speaker 17: be on the metros and on the high volume freight

831
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Speaker 17: routes where there is a significant amount of activity, rather

832
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Speaker 17: than just spreading it thinly across the entire country.

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Speaker 3: Simon, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. That Simmy

834
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Speaker 3: and Brown Transport Minister don't know how a council is. Again,

835
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Speaker 3: councils love a speed Dumpay, they're going to flip out

836
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Speaker 3: about this. Eleven past five, Heather duper Zila GP crisis

837
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Speaker 3: has yet another chapter added. In a survey from the

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Speaker 3: General Practice Owners Association, nine out of ten of them

839
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Speaker 3: this is the gps have either already or will increase

840
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Speaker 3: their fees. Eighty three percent are worried about their long

841
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: term viability seventy percent or worse off financially than they

842
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: were a year ago. Royal New Zealand College of GP's

843
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Speaker 3: president Samann the Mertoners with us, hasam hi, how are

844
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Speaker 3: you very well? Thank you? Now, if they have already

845
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Speaker 3: done the thing and raised their prices, can we assume

846
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Speaker 3: that everything's okay or are they still going to be

847
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Speaker 3: in financial difficulty?

848
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Speaker 7: I think it keep us going for the year. I

849
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Speaker 7: think it's probably it's out of a little bit of

850
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Speaker 7: a hole that we're in currently, But it doesn't mean

851
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Speaker 7: that it's a long term.

852
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: What is the long term solution?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think we need to sort of put into

854
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Speaker 7: effect the Priori Act, which was shifting a whole lot

855
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Speaker 7: of funding into primary care and making sure that we

856
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 7: can actually keep a sustainable worksource going forward, but also

857
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 7: businesses can keep sustainable and money. So it just makes

858
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Speaker 7: it means a shift of money from one one area

859
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Speaker 7: to another so that we aren't filling up our hospitals,

860
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Speaker 7: that we are making sure care can happen in the

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Speaker 7: community to time.

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Speaker 3: Of the eighty three percent who are worried about their

863
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Speaker 3: long term viability, how many of them do you reckon

864
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Speaker 3: are going to close.

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Speaker 7: I think we've seen practices that often we practices that

866
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Speaker 7: have got several maybe have branches to them and maybe

867
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Speaker 7: going to a smaller area where they need healthcare, but

868
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Speaker 7: there's no viable service at the moment, and they would

869
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Speaker 7: have put in a service. And people are sort of

870
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 7: retrenching a little in that respect. So there will be

871
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Speaker 7: practices that do close because people who have been putting

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Speaker 7: out the best that they can for service can now

873
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 7: sort of go, well, actually we can't afford to do

874
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 7: this extra, and so we're retrenching back and just doing

875
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 7: the minimum that we can possibly do for the most

876
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 7: people that we can possibly do it for. So yeah,

877
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 7: that will be sun closing.

878
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: Samantha, thank you very much. I really appreciate your time.

879
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: There's doctor Samantha Merton the Royal New Zealand College of

880
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: General Practition as President.

881
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Ellen, Yahoo.

882
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: Go Simon, a Prime Minister in waiting, Yahoo, go Simeon,

883
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: my favorite minister, Super Siman, sensible management for transport at last,

884
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: will who here there's zero funding for those stupid loser

885
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: speed bumps. I love it. And then somebody who just

886
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: says hallelujah, which I think is probably about the same thing.

887
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how true this is, but I'm going

888
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: to tell you this regardless. I heard the other day

889
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: that Simeon's nickname in caucus is golden Balls, like as in,

890
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: that's what was that was. That was David Beckham's nickname,

891
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: And apparently Simeon's nickname is also golden Balls. Because the

892
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: man can't do anything right. Roll roll, Oh my gosh,

893
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: how about getting that story?

894
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 9: Roll?

895
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 3: You can't do anything wrong? He gets everything right. He's

896
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: the golden boy. And there you go another announcement where

897
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: hits the nail on the head. So anyway, I can

898
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: see why he's he's called that he'd be annoying to

899
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: sit next to, though a, because nobody wants to sit

900
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: next to the overachiever. No one wants to be in

901
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: caucus or cabinets sitting next to the ducks. And that's

902
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: basically what he is. But anyway, he should be feeling

903
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: very proud of himself. Listen to this. Okay, this will

904
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 3: just make you go now love some me and never

905
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 3: mind the councils. What about the rates? So iid's put

906
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: out that report on how much we pay in tax

907
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: and we are going to talk to Nicolaulus about this

908
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: when she's with as after six. Turns out we pay

909
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: more in our rates in New Zealand than the OECD average.

910
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: In fact, we pay around about doubles. So in twenty

911
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: twenty one, which must be the last figures that id's

912
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: got their hands on, our council's raised in rates one

913
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: point nine percent of GDP, which doesn't sound like a

914
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: lot until I tell you the OECD average is one percent.

915
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: So they are charging us double what the OECD average

916
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: is and what are we getting for it? Speak fourteen

917
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: past five. Hey, I'm sure you'll have seen that it's

918
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: been quite a bit of drama about the Oasis ticket

919
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: prices over the weekend. We're going to deal with that shortly,

920
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: right now at seventeen past five. Now, also here timey

921
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 3: bit of drama about the fact that the All Blacks

922
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: hocker at Alice Park and Joe Burg at the weekend

923
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: was interrupted by chanting by stadium music by Piratetechnics and

924
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: then also by a low flying plane. Some people think

925
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: this was disrespectful. Steve Gordon is a former All Black

926
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: and with us. Now, Hey, Steve, how are you doing

927
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 3: very well? Thank you? Mate. It obviously frustrated the players

928
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: who were doing the harker by the judging by the

929
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: looks on their faces. What was your take on it?

930
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 10: I thought it was pretty disrespectful. I thought that South

931
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 10: African players as a team, their group, showed a lot

932
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 10: of respect in that, as they always do well. I

933
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 10: think there's a whole of the Johnny Come Lately's in

934
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 10: the marketing department of the Southern Rugby Union that coordinated

935
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 10: all those other hijinks, which was a little bit above

936
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 10: and beyond what would normally be expected. And I think

937
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 10: quite disrespectful, especially given the fact that you know they

938
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 10: were will wear, the fact it was Bori Ky passing

939
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 10: and that was sort of to him as well. Yeah,

940
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 10: I think they really have to stept the mark, and

941
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 10: you know rugby's built on tradition and you know that

942
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 10: the culture about the game, the game's bigger than any

943
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 10: team individual and I think they overstepped it there, and yeah,

944
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 10: it was a bit of a shambles.

945
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 3: Do you reckon it was deliberate, Steve, Because I reckon

946
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: it must be so hard to time a jumbo line

947
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: and to be flying right over the stadium at exactly

948
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 3: the minute that they're doing the harker, given the harker

949
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: can be done earlier.

950
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 10: It must have been the holding pattern outside. But yeah,

951
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 10: it was perfect timing on that. But then they're loud music,

952
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 10: so fair enough the crowd you know, like can raw

953
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 10: and screen and so forth, and they've always have done,

954
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 10: but you know, the pyrotechnics and the music and whatnot. Yeah,

955
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 10: I thought that was rather unclassy. And you know, I

956
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 10: think with any great tradition sport, you know the class

957
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 10: of it, you know, and jurors, you know, the Whites

958
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 10: and Wilton and Marrion, simple things like that. And they

959
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 10: still have sell out crowds and still got their court supporters.

960
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 10: I think they probably tried to ras me tears it

961
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 10: up a little too much and it didn't really come off,

962
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 10: and I thought it was quite touchous.

963
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 3: Hey, what about the game itself? How do you think

964
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: the team play? Do you worried about them or are

965
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: you chalking this up to kind of its early days

966
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 3: to let them have.

967
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 10: A chance early days, I thought they were fantastic and

968
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 10: the fantass and the way they came out and started

969
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 10: and just boulted this out a consider that is a

970
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 10: massive you know, it's the best team in the world

971
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 10: at the moment. We've had a lot of a lot

972
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 10: of changes and a lot of a lot of new

973
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 10: guys that were new to Alice Park, the Caldron there,

974
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 10: and they really stepped up. Sure, we didn't finish, finish

975
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 10: it out, and that's that's a learning process with a

976
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 10: lot of those young fellows coming into the site how

977
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 10: to close the game out. But the start and some

978
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 10: of the structures that they employed to cope with those

979
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 10: massives out of African forwards and some pretty special South

980
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 10: African outside backs. They were outstanding inners of Jesse Curile

981
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 10: and so forth. Unleashing them really made it difficult for us.

982
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 10: That we contained very well, and you know, the re

983
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 10: emergence of Caleb Clark on the wing and his finishing

984
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 10: was something that goes really well for us. So we

985
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 10: had a good position. If we can hold that intensity

986
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 10: for the next one is going to be the big

987
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 10: challenge for those guys. But you know, I think they'll

988
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 10: be pretty disappointed that they didn't finish it, and they

989
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 10: know that they weren't outclassed by world class American side.

990
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 10: They were right in the hunt to the last to

991
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 10: a ten eleven minutes, so you know, I think they'll

992
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 10: be pretty voyant, and I've got to tune up a

993
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 10: few things, eliminate a few silly mistakes in the penalty count,

994
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 10: and they're right back in it to right.

995
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: Steve, thank you. I appreciate that you're being moderate about it,

996
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 3: because I'm also giving them a chance at Steve Gordon

997
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: for more black. Yeah, if you're watching the game, I

998
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: watched it on delay and managed to actually not know

999
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: what the score was until I got to the end.

1000
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: But sky Sky TV was obviously taking the local guys

1001
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 3: feed mnet, and so they don't have quite the same

1002
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: enthusiasm for the huck. I mean, they like it, but

1003
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: it's not quite like us, right because like the sky

1004
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 3: would not move once the Hucker stants.

1005
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 9: It's like a locked off shot.

1006
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: They're looking that's all we're looking at. And you could

1007
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: have bombs going off in the stadium and they'll still

1008
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 3: be looking at the Hugger. But Mnet was like, it's

1009
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 3: a plane. Look it starts filming that. My husband was apoplectic,

1010
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: he was yelling, he was like he was losing his

1011
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: mind over When they cut back to the I was like,

1012
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: thank god, because I do not need to deal with

1013
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: another heart attack today, so that was good. But I

1014
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: think it just shows you the still I still believe

1015
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: the reason. I still believe it was an accident that

1016
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: had happened. I just think they stuffed it up. I mean,

1017
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: come on, at South Africa, they can't do anything right.

1018
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: Five twenty two.

1019
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Allen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

1020
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: It's hither Duplicy Allen drive with one New Zealand, let's

1021
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: get connected and news talk as they'd be hither.

1022
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 3: Some of the world's best airlines are never on times.

1023
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: There's absolutely no chance of them. Haven't got that right?

1024
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 3: And they say, yeah, that's right. Five twenty five. Hey,

1025
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to be fascinated to see what comes of

1026
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: the Oasis ticketing for fiasco in the UK at the moment,

1027
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: and I would bet probably nothing will come of this.

1028
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: What happened is that the tickets went on sale. I

1029
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: think it was on Saturday night. It was basically over

1030
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: the weekend New Zealand time for as low as people

1031
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: will be expecting to be able to pick up tickets

1032
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: for as low as two hundred and eighty dollars. But

1033
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: then What was happening was they were spending hours in

1034
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: the queues online to get to those tickets, and when

1035
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: they finally got to the ticket, two hundred and eighty

1036
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: dollars was now seven hundred and ten dollars plus fees

1037
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: on top of it. And people were furious because of this. Because,

1038
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 3: of course, what people don't realize and people don't realize

1039
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: this happens in New Zealand as well, is that ticket

1040
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: Master uses what is called dynamic pricing, and it basically

1041
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: is like Uber's surge pricing, where no one wants to

1042
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 3: buy the tickets, they're really cheap, Like when nobody wants

1043
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: to drop to catch an Uber, you can get it

1044
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 3: for like nine bucks, right, But when everyone wants to

1045
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: buy these tickets from around the world, they jack up

1046
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 3: the price At Ticketmaster. It's basic supply and demand stuff.

1047
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: The government over there in the UK has heard how

1048
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 3: upset people are about it, so now promising a review

1049
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: of it. And this is where I think it's going

1050
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: to get interesting, because when they finish the review, what

1051
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: are they going to find that ticket Master has done

1052
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 3: something wrong? Here? Plenty of businesses do this Uber I

1053
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 3: just named them as one. Hotels do it. You're gonna

1054
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: pay more at the weekend, then you're gonna pay during

1055
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 3: the weekday. Results in Fiji do it. The prices go

1056
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: up during the school holidays. Airlines do it. The prices

1057
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: go higher and higher the fewer seats they have left

1058
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: on the plane. It's basically, the more people want, the

1059
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: fewer of the things are available, they jack up the price.

1060
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: So probably you can't argue that ticket Master is doing

1061
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 3: anything wrong when it's jacking up the Oasis ticket price prices.

1062
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: There may be an argument here, though, that they are

1063
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: doing something wrong by not being transparent about this. So

1064
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: by not telling you they're doing it or not telling

1065
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: you how they're doing it, maybe you can argue there,

1066
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: But then all you're gonna do is you're going to

1067
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: force them to be transparent. Is that going to bring

1068
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: the price down? I'm not so sure. The factor is

1069
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: people from around the world, around the world try to

1070
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 3: buy a limited number of Oasis tickets over the weekend.

1071
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: It was demand. So as much as I hate being

1072
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: ripped off and sometimes I feel like I am by

1073
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 3: ticket prices, can we really argue that ticket Master actually

1074
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: did anything wrong here?

1075
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: Together due to CLIs.

1076
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: Speaking of which you want to go have a look

1077
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: at the Coldplay tickets. Jeez, I mean like the last

1078
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: of the tickets are available and you're paying about five hundred.

1079
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: So a few weeks back, my friends and I'm like, oh,

1080
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: should we get these tickets five hundy? And one of

1081
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: them said not dynamic pricing. Wait and we'll see if

1082
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: they come down. Oh said gamble, because you wait, wait,

1083
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: wait as somebody else pays the five hundie and you

1084
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Speaker 3: don't get to go anyway.

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Speaker 1: More on this.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Consume in New Zealand because

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Speaker 3: they do have a strong argument here, probably about transparency

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Speaker 3: and about you knowing what is being done to you

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Speaker 3: in terms of the pricing. Headline's next hard Questions, Strong opinion.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duple see Ellen drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and used talk see you.

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Speaker 3: Farrelly mcleishes me outgoing Treasury boss. She's given a little

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Speaker 3: excellent interview. Just put a little cat amongst the pigeons.

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Speaker 3: They're tax wise. I'll give it. I'll rang you through that,

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Speaker 3: and then we're going to talk to Nikola Willis. Hither

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Speaker 3: I go see a nurse practitioner, not even a doctor,

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Speaker 3: nurse practitioner, I pay sixty three dollars. Hither the hither

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Speaker 3: my doctor is seventy three dollars fifty Hither I live

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Speaker 3: in Papamore. We pay fifty nine dollars for a GP visit.

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Speaker 3: That's outrageous. Hither I just booked a doctor's appointment for

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Speaker 3: two days time it's going to be seventy three dollars

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Speaker 3: and nearly died when I saw it's gotten that expensive. Well,

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Speaker 3: if you died, you wouldn't have to pay it. So

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Speaker 3: I suppose there's this silver lining there. Hither I would

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Speaker 3: pay more to see my doctor because bookings are six

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Speaker 3: to eight weeks out. Hither our GP has gone from

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Speaker 3: sixty five dollars to seventy one bucks over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: And then this Hither, if you've got a good doctor,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what it costs twenty four away from six.

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Speaker 1: Hever duplos who the huddle's got to say about that?

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Speaker 3: Shortly now the UK government and is going to look

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Speaker 3: into dynamic pricing after complaints about skyrocketing prices for those

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Speaker 3: Oasis tickets. The prices on ticket Master for the band's

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Speaker 3: reunion went from being around two hundred and eighty New

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Speaker 3: Zealand dollars to around seven hundred and ten seven hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty bucks for the same tickets. Consumer New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: chief executive, John Duffy is with us.

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Speaker 16: A John, Hey, here the Hell's it going?

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Speaker 3: Very well? Thank you? Now? I mean, obviously this is

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Speaker 3: a bit stink to be caught out like this. But

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Speaker 3: are they doing anything wrong?

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Speaker 16: Well, as best I can tell under UK laws, no,

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Speaker 16: they're not doing anything wrong, and they certainly wouldn't be

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Speaker 16: doing anything wrong under New Zealand law unless they made

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Speaker 16: some sort of misrepresentation about whether the pricing was dynamic

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Speaker 16: or not.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so would you argue? So if they're not doing

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Speaker 3: anything wrong, then what rules can they possibly put in

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Speaker 3: as the UK government to actually clamp down on this?

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Speaker 3: Do they even want to clamp.

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Speaker 16: Down on this? Well, I mean it is the market

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Speaker 16: doing what markets do.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 16: As long as ticket masks there are informing people that

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Speaker 16: as demand increases, the price will increase, that they should

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Speaker 16: be well that they are under the current law entitled

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Speaker 16: to do that. What the changes they could make are

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Speaker 16: to potentially force ticket Master to be more transparent about

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Speaker 16: the algorithm that it's using to calculate the price, because

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Speaker 16: that's where trust starts to fall over with consumers, where

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Speaker 16: something's happening in the black box behind the website and

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Speaker 16: they can't consumers can't see, you know, what demand is

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Speaker 16: and therefore what influence that's having on problem?

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Speaker 3: John, What is it that we would see that would

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Speaker 3: make this whole experience feel better for us?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think probably many oasis stems would prefer that

1147
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Speaker 16: there was one price for the for the ticket, and

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Speaker 16: that the ticket sellers just stuck to that price. But

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Speaker 16: where it could be more transparent is, for example, if

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Speaker 16: you had a running tally of how many tickets had

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Speaker 16: sold and you disclosed that, which point the next tier

1152
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Speaker 16: of pricing would kick in. But also that's not going

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Speaker 16: to deal with the frustration of people who are stuck

1154
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Speaker 16: in the queue on the website trying to get through,

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Speaker 16: you know, sometimes for hours. I've got a colleague who's

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Speaker 16: trying to was trying to book to go to one

1157
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Speaker 16: of these concerts from here in New Zealand and was

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Speaker 16: was on a queue for seven hours. They get to

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Speaker 16: the missed out, No, they missed out unfortunately. So you

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Speaker 16: know that's a really frustrating experience for consumers.

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Speaker 3: What about Okay, So, if I was a total conspiracy theorist,

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Speaker 3: I would I would probably concoct a story in my

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Speaker 3: head where ticket Master, because I buy so many tickets

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Speaker 3: from them, knows how much I'm prepared to pay for

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Speaker 3: a gig, therefore will charge me more than let's say you,

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Speaker 3: because they know that you're you're really tight and you're

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Speaker 3: not going to pay a lot. Would that be too conspiratorial?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 16: And I think there are there are businesses out there

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Speaker 16: that will use what they know about you who offer

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Speaker 16: you a price. And I think this is something that

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Speaker 16: as we've increasingly digitized purchasing journeys, we need to be

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Speaker 16: aware of as consumers. So, you know, businesses, we know

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00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 16: they collect lots of data on us. And it's not

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Speaker 16: a misrepresentation to say that the price for Heather is

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Speaker 16: different than the price for John. They know.

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Speaker 3: So let's take an example of an airline and I'm

1178
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Speaker 3: not going to name any names, but let's say that

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Speaker 3: I like to fly from Auckland to Wellington regularly and

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to spend five hundy on those return tickets.

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Speaker 3: Would they possibly charge me five hundy because they know that,

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Speaker 3: but charge you three hundy because you're tight for the

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Speaker 3: same ticket.

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Speaker 16: Well they could do that as long as they don't

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Speaker 16: come out and say tickets from Auckland to Wellington on

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Speaker 16: that day are two hundred and fifty dollars. As long

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Speaker 16: as they make an individual offer to you, in an

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Speaker 16: individual offer to me, neither of us have been misled.

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Speaker 16: What that airline is saying is to fly you from

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Speaker 16: Wellington to Auckland at the time that you want to

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Speaker 16: go for five hundred dollars. The fact that they know

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Speaker 16: that you're you know you've paid that in the past,

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Speaker 16: and that I know maybe you're a current club member,

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Speaker 16: and therefore they can infer that you've got a higher income,

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Speaker 16: well that they collect that you willingly hand that information

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Speaker 16: over to them, and they can they could weaponize that

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Speaker 16: effectively and set a price back at you.

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Speaker 3: Oh interesting, hey, John, thank you very much. Just makes

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Speaker 3: me think that you've got to look up the airline

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Speaker 3: tickets before logging, and I really appreciate it. John Duffy,

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Speaker 3: consuming New Zealand Chief Executive nineteen away from.

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Speaker 3: Joseph Gani Child Fund CEO and Jordan Williams, Executive director

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Speaker 3: of the Taxpayers Union with US Hello you too, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: Hello Josie. How do you feel about the dynamic pricing?

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Speaker 18: Really really bad? Especially that terrifying conversation you just had,

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Speaker 18: because I'm one of those people who's a really bad hagler,

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Speaker 18: Like if someone says, oh, you know, we'll charge you

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Speaker 18: fifteen dollars and I'll go, no, no, please, let me

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Speaker 18: give you twenty.

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Speaker 19: So this is just not just.

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Speaker 18: Not going to be good for people like me. And

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Speaker 18: it's scary, isn't it because you don't know what information

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Speaker 18: you're sharing online And this AI is absolutely doing this.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I've been reading about this overseas that they

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Speaker 18: will match a price to what they think you're willing

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Speaker 18: to pay, So I think it's really worrying. But the

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Speaker 18: big I mean, when you say, what's the solution to

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Speaker 18: ticket Master doing this dynamic pricing and so on, I

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Speaker 18: mean the basic solution and I'm sure Jordan you'd agree

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Speaker 18: with me, it's actually getting rid of monopolies and more

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Speaker 18: competition because the thing that brings an uber price down

1224
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Speaker 18: in a high demand time is more share ride apps

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Speaker 18: out there that you can use that will offer you

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Speaker 18: a cheaper price. So it's the monopoly that's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Jordan Oh.

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Speaker 4: Harley Louliah, I totally agree with Josie. I think if

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Speaker 4: you banned dynamic pricing it would be a real problem.

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Speaker 4: You think, for example, on a horrible, wet, cold, rainy

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Speaker 4: day that when there's no ubers around, yep, you pay

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Speaker 4: a lot more. But that's also of course you want

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Speaker 4: that because that's what gets more ubers out on the road.

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Speaker 4: The point I was going to make, Josi, you've beat

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Speaker 4: me to the punch is that often there's not a

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Speaker 4: lot of competition here because ticket Master appear to do

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00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 4: deals with all the big venues. So if you're a

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Speaker 4: banned and you want to come to New Zealand, you

1239
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: really have to deal with them, because the venues have

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Speaker 4: already contract tracted to only go through Ticketmaster. And that's

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Speaker 4: the real problem. I mean, let's be frank, the technology

1242
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Speaker 4: behind selling tickets online is pretty off the shelf.

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Speaker 6: It's not particularly difficult to do.

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Speaker 4: So what they do is create an artificial barrier to

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Speaker 4: entry through the venues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good point. Actually, the monopoly is

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Speaker 3: the problem there. How do you feel, Josie about Sam

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Speaker 3: and defunding the speed bumps.

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Speaker 18: Ifinitely fund the speed bumps, yes, but also I'm sure

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Speaker 18: you worked this out too, Heather, but most of us

1251
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Speaker 18: have worked out how you drive just carefully around the

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Speaker 18: speed bump in the width of your car. So they're

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Speaker 18: built really badly anyway, I mean, what do you mean,

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Speaker 18: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Why do you have to drop around it? Have you

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Speaker 3: got maybe slow slung boy racer thing?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, but yeah, how did you know?

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Speaker 18: Well, I do live in cuppity, I'm a boy racer myself.

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Speaker 18: But I think it's also that we're pretty rubbish at

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Speaker 18: building stuff in Couppody too. It's taken us two years

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Speaker 18: to build a bus stop, let alone. Speed bumps and

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Speaker 18: the speed bumps in compody are designed just to fit

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Speaker 18: the width of your car, so they don't they.

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Speaker 19: Do dittley squat anyway.

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Speaker 18: But yeah, I mean I do think this is this

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Speaker 18: is a good package and I think one of the

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Speaker 18: most hopeful things here. And I heard Nick Leggett from

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Speaker 18: Infrastructure New Zealand saying this. Today they've introduced this thing

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Speaker 18: called the Infrastructure National Infrastructure Commission. Now that's an independent

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Speaker 18: body where everybody can submit projects to that body, and

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Speaker 18: that body will go yep, that's that's got a good

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Speaker 18: cost benefit analysis. That hasn't and even Labor has agreed

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Speaker 18: to that. So I think we're starting to depoliticize the

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Speaker 18: fact that roads are right wing and cycle ways are

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Speaker 18: left wing, which is just daft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, Jordan. I want you to take

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Speaker 3: We'll get it after the breaker is to hang on

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Speaker 3: to It's sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 1: and results.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got a solution. If you don't like that

1282
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: thing that you heard about what a New Zealand might

1283
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Speaker 3: be doing with the tickets and stuff, hang on because

1284
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Speaker 3: Allen sent a solution through. But first we're back of

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Speaker 3: the huddle. Joe's he Begunny and Jordan Williams k Jordan,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of the defunding of the speed bumps?

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Speaker 4: Well, I want these Cafity speed bumps to come too

1288
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Speaker 4: Auckland because I'm sick of Auckland Transport spending a million

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Speaker 4: bucks on these damn speed humps. That no one wants

1290
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Speaker 4: to sew everyone down and when anyone complains. Oh, but

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Speaker 4: it encourages people to take a bus. Now they're putting

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Speaker 4: these damn stops. Bus stops on in the middle of

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Speaker 4: the road, so when the bus stop, everyone stops behind

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Speaker 4: it and they're proud of it.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I have to say, Wayne Brown's right, they need to

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Speaker 4: bring on transport.

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Speaker 6: It's weird.

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Speaker 3: Agent.

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Speaker 20: It's weird how we have spent centuries basically making roads

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Speaker 20: run as smoothly as possible until Auckland Transport decided to

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Speaker 20: do the opposite. And they've been quite successful at that reason.

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Speaker 4: Twenty years ago. The use that you know, they measure

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Speaker 4: how long it takes through the average trip in Auckland,

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Speaker 4: and officials used to try to get it down. Now

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Speaker 4: they yahoo when they get it up. Yeah, it's totally

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Speaker 4: out of control. And I get the argument that you

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Speaker 4: want to depoliticize it, but actually, inful transports case, we

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Speaker 4: need the politicians to take that control because they complain.

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Speaker 4: But all can Transport are a world into themselves and

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Speaker 4: ignore the council.

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Speaker 3: You can't stand them. Hey, Josie, I was a little

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Speaker 3: bit shocked by removing the toast from the mothers who

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Speaker 3: just pushed out a baby. What about you?

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Speaker 18: Yes, I know, of all the things to focus on.

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Speaker 18: I mean, what is the problem we're trying to solve

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Speaker 18: with health and let's face it, it's a crisis. Lack

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Speaker 18: of GP's, lack of hospital adoptors and nurses, Waiting lists

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Speaker 18: are too long, unequal provision to MARI and pacificate for

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Speaker 18: whatever reasons, that needs to be dealt with, all of

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Speaker 18: these big, big issues. And we're talking about TOAST. You know,

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Speaker 18: we're trying to cut costs the TOAST.

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Speaker 19: It terrifies me, Heather.

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Speaker 18: I've had my daughter just as during COVID she had

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Speaker 18: to have a back operation. She would have waited about

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Speaker 18: nineteen months on the public waiting list to get the

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Speaker 18: operation she needed. She would have been a drug addict

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Speaker 18: by then. She would have been on morphine, tramadol, the

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Speaker 18: whole lot. Now, you know we did it, give a

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Speaker 18: little page to raise money to.

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Speaker 19: Do it quickly.

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Speaker 18: I mean, the consequences of us having these long waiting

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Speaker 18: lists with people on elective surgery waiting lists and sign

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Speaker 18: it's terrifying. And we're talking about TOAST. Yeah, come on,

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Speaker 18: it's just wrong.

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Speaker 3: What is terrifying about it, Jordan, is that that is

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Speaker 3: the solution from some numpty and Health New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't help, but wonder I said on the morning

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Speaker 4: call this morning, I said to my guys, I think

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Speaker 4: this might be a Lady Elizabeth problem. And by that

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Speaker 4: I mean every time you affect police funding, what they

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Speaker 4: do is find the most politically painful part to cut police.

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Speaker 4: It's the Wellington Police launch the Lady Elizabeth. This felt

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Speaker 4: to me like it was officials going, well, we need

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Speaker 4: more resources, will get you the what's the thing that

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Speaker 4: will really get under people's Do you know?

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Speaker 19: Do you know what I think it is? Though, Jordan.

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Speaker 18: It's a bit like the dead cat theory of politics.

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Speaker 18: You know, you've got this massive crisis over here. Let's

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Speaker 18: check a dead cat on the table, and everybody will

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Speaker 18: talk about that, and the.

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Speaker 19: Toast is the dead cato.

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Speaker 18: You've got two options, though, You've got an aging population

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Speaker 18: and you've got declining revenue.

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Speaker 19: Either you cut spending. Don't want to do.

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Speaker 18: That, or you tax more or you get into debt.

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Speaker 18: You've got to make some hard choices, and it's an

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Speaker 18: exempt from that.

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Speaker 4: There's a third choice here. We did about five years

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Speaker 4: ago we did a series of reports about health productivity.

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Speaker 4: It got absolutely no media coverage except for a report

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Speaker 4: we did on the hospital car parking. Appreciate it's a

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Speaker 4: very big deal, but if New Zealand just came up

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Speaker 4: to the average health productivity the OECD, it is the

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Speaker 4: equivalent of spending a third more on health. And while

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Speaker 4: this government's thinking around the edges around, you know, reversing

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Speaker 4: partially some of the so called reforms labored it, I

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Speaker 4: don't see any appetite to properly change the incentives and

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Speaker 4: we're going to end up with I think in the

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Speaker 4: medium term it's the government's biggest political risk. Look at

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Speaker 4: the way the Tories tried to get the health system

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Speaker 4: on the straight and narrow without changing the model. That's

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Speaker 4: exactly what's happening here. You can rearrange it or try it. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: you can try to run it better, but unless you're

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Speaker 4: changing the actual incentives and fundamentals of what is a

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Speaker 4: New Zealand version of the NHS, I think said the

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Speaker 4: NATZ a stuffed Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Can you send me that report. I'd like to have

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Speaker 3: a read of that. Actually, if you don't, I.

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Speaker 4: Will dig them out of the archive here and we

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Speaker 4: can give it a good go Jo.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 18: I mean, the thing is, Jordan, the problem is so huge.

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Speaker 18: I mean, and we've been talking about this for years,

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Speaker 18: about an aging population which is going to get sicker

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Speaker 18: and make more demands on the health sector. You know,

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Speaker 18: I think, yes, you can. You can look at the incentives.

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Speaker 18: You can, you know, stop giving people toasts. You can,

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Speaker 18: you can, I don't know, charge more for parking, you

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Speaker 18: can do all sorts.

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Speaker 19: Of little things around the edges.

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Speaker 18: But I think you've really got to confront the fact

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Speaker 18: that we've got declining revenue and higher spend and at

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Speaker 18: some point you've got to go either we've got to

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Speaker 18: find different sources for revenue for health and by golly,

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Speaker 18: I want it. I mean I don't want my family

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Speaker 18: or myself to be going into a hospital system right now.

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Speaker 19: It's really scary.

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Speaker 18: Or you've got to or you've got to go into debt,

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Speaker 18: and and you know, and lot. The big issue we're

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Speaker 18: not talking about is the fact that you know, we've

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Speaker 18: got productivity in New Zealand which is nose darting.

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Speaker 19: I mean, we just make rubbish things.

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Speaker 18: We work long hours for low wages, we're not making

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Speaker 18: enough money as a country and that means we can't spend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to leave it there, guys, I really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thank you so much. Joseph ac Ganny Child

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Speaker 3: Fund CEO. Jordan Williams, Executive director at the Taxpayers Union.

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Speaker 3: Seven away from six.

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Speaker 2: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 2: your car on.

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Speaker 1: Your drive home.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand one giant

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Speaker 2: leap for Business News Talk Z be.

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Speaker 3: Here the Jordan has bang on. Here's an example. In

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Speaker 3: the OECD, the nurse to patient ratio on a general

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Speaker 3: ward is one one nurse to six to eight patients.

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Speaker 3: In New Zealand it is one nurse to four patients.

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Speaker 3: So overseas nurses love the easy workload in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Five away from six. So caroly

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Speaker 3: McLeish is the treasury boss who's just leaving, and she's

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Speaker 3: given an exit interview, you know, just talking about giving

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Speaker 3: us her thoughts on things. Doesn't sound like she wanted

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Speaker 3: to leave, by the way, but anyway she is. She says,

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Speaker 3: this is essentially she's indicated that she thinks we should

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Speaker 3: sell some of our state owned assets. She says. We

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Speaker 3: know we have an infrastructure gap. We know we already

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Speaker 3: have relatively high levels of public ownership. There may be

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Speaker 3: options in the future to look future, to look at

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Speaker 3: how to structure about government's balance sheet differently, but it's

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Speaker 3: not something we've been asked to advise on. So what

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Speaker 3: I'm taking from that is that she thinks, sell down

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Speaker 3: some of the assets that you own. We own a

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Speaker 3: lot of assets apparently, and then use it to fund

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Speaker 3: the infrastructure gap. So Niicola Willis and I love it.

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Speaker 16: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I want to sell some of that stuff. Nicola Willis

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us after six o'clock, will

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Speaker 3: ask her about that. Here we go. This is the solution,

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Speaker 3: Heather says. One text, a New Zealand already uses IP

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Speaker 3: addresses as an input in their pricing, so you wear

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Speaker 3: a household will see a different price to a Henderson household.

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Speaker 3: Then Allan's text and said, Heather, you are just describing

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Speaker 3: why you use a VPN to buy your tickets and shop.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to get around that thing where

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Speaker 3: I don't know if this is true that a New

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Speaker 3: Zealand does this, But if you want to get around

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Speaker 3: the thing where they know that it's Heather logging in

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Speaker 3: and Heather's prepared to spend one thousand dollars on a

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Speaker 3: pair of earrings or whatever. You want to get around that.

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Speaker 3: You want to be going through a VPN, do not

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Speaker 3: ask me about that. I had to talk to the

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Speaker 3: boys about this before. I was like, what's a VPN?

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Speaker 3: Is it hard ware? They were like, no, it's a software.

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Speaker 3: So we're starting from a very basic point here with me.

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Speaker 3: But I think I'm going to be getting myself a VPN.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Wirch, how about this? Okay, not only is

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Speaker 3: their dynamic pricing going on, but the hotels in places

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Speaker 3: where Oasis are playing have canceled all the previous bookings.

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Speaker 3: After Oasis announced their concerts of this chap called Frank

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Speaker 3: had reserved a room in Cardiff, I think it was

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Speaker 3: for about five hundred New Zealand dollars, and then twelve

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Speaker 3: hours later Oasis announced that they were doing the concert

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Speaker 3: there and he had his booking canceled because of a

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Speaker 3: technical era and then his room was re advertised for

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Speaker 3: thirteen hundred New Zealand dollars. A ticket master are not

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Speaker 3: the only people ripping people off here. Nikoli willis next.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money as you going?

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Speaker 2: With a business hour with the Duplessylan and my Hr

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Speaker 2: on News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 3: Even coming up in the next hour, Shane Soley's going

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Speaker 3: to talk us through the markets around the world pricing

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Speaker 3: in interest rate carts, Ryman's boss on why they're raising

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Speaker 3: prices in the hint is that people are living longer

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Speaker 3: and hanging around longer, basically. And then we'll have a

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Speaker 3: chat to Gavin Gray out of the UK. It's seven

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Speaker 3: past six and with us now as the Finance minister,

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Speaker 3: Nichola will I say.

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Speaker 8: Nicola, good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: What are we going to do about the shambles we've

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Speaker 3: got in health at the moment?

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Speaker 7: Well, we're on UCH.

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Speaker 8: We've got a commissioner in there. He's making sure that

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Speaker 8: that organization is focused on its targets, which are about

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Speaker 8: delivering more surgery to people, reducing wasting times and being

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Speaker 8: more efficient, and he is working very hard on that.

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Speaker 8: We've put more funding in and we've guaranteed that we

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Speaker 8: will be putting more funding in at each future budget.

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Speaker 8: But you and I both know it's not just about money.

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Speaker 8: It's also about improving the systems that doctors and nurses

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Speaker 8: when they're doing their jobs are well supported to be

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Speaker 8: as efficient as effective as possible.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon there is efficiencies that can be found

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Speaker 3: in there?

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Speaker 8: Yes, I'll tell you when I think of a lot,

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Speaker 8: and that is when you go to your GP or

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Speaker 8: you go to see a pharmacist. They're quite limited sometimes

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Speaker 8: in the roles that they're allowed to perform, and some

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Speaker 8: of the things you go to a GP for, maybe

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Speaker 8: a nurse could help with. Some of the things that

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Speaker 8: you go to a nurse with, maybe a pharmacist could

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Speaker 8: help with. So expanding the range of things that different

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Speaker 8: medical practitioners can perform I think could help reduce wasting

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Speaker 8: times and deliver more efficiency in the system. And that

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Speaker 8: is something we're looking at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do we do though about the funding? Because

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Speaker 3: I totally take your point and I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: But doctors, the GPS themselves, we are so short on

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Speaker 3: them and they are completely underfunded. So are you prepared

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Speaker 3: to throw more money at them?

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Speaker 8: Well, we have put more money into gps, not in

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Speaker 8: our budget for a year. Well, actually in this budget

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Speaker 8: we added more than sixteen billion to the health system

1514
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Speaker 8: over the next few years. Our health is the biggest

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Speaker 8: area of our budget and will be of every budget

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Speaker 8: that I deliver, so we ensure that it gets us And.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I appreciate that, but they have a

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Speaker 3: look at what the GP's got. Didn't they get four percent?

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: That's not a lot, though, is it.

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Speaker 8: Well, that's of course above what inflation is now at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean we're talking about it in a

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Speaker 3: context and I appreciate that too, But we're talking about

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01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 3: in a context where where we have to possibly completely

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Speaker 3: reinvent the way that we're doing this, throw lots of

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Speaker 3: money at primary care so people don't get sick and

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Speaker 3: end up in hospital. So it's got to be like

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Speaker 3: multiples of four percent, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 8: I think we're also going to have to look for

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01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 8: new ways of using technology and new techniques and talk

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Speaker 8: to doctors themselves in our communities about what they think

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01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 8: is needed to free out more than more of their time.

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Speaker 8: So a lot of doctors choose to work partial time,

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 8: not full time. Often that's because of the nature of

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 8: their design balance family and work lace. So what are

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 8: we doing actually to use technology so that they can

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01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 8: work some of their hours from home like many other

1539
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 8: people do. How could we be using apps and other

1540
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 8: technology so that some of the work that they currently

1541
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 8: do could be done by others to minimize the amount

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01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,839
Speaker 8: of administers of time they're having to spend, for example.

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Speaker 8: So I'm actually quite hopeful that with technology that with

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Speaker 8: a more latteral view of the roles of different health providers,

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01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 8: there is more productivity to be got out of the system,

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01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 8: not just a matter of more money. Of course, it's

1547
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 8: more money, but not just that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how long before how long is it going

1549
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 3: to take you do you think Lester Levy dealing with

1550
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 3: Health New Zealand the GP's finding efficiencies before we can

1551
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 3: all look at it and go care. That's working a

1552
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 3: lot better now.

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Speaker 8: I think you're going to see continued progress over the

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Speaker 8: next year. I think it's going to be a big

1555
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 8: turnaround job that he's got on his hands and that

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01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 8: we've got on our hands. But I think by the

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 8: end of this term of parliament you will be seeing

1558
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 8: significant improvements. But we have an expectation of progress every

1559
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 8: year and you will see that.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what do you think is going on with the

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Speaker 3: toast and the maternity ward? And Wellington. Are they idiots

1562
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: canceling this or are they deliberately are.

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Speaker 8: Trying to I just hated that story because I have

1564
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 8: one of those really firm, poor memories of the moment

1565
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 8: after our first son was born, of the nurse bringing

1566
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Speaker 8: me a cup of milky tea and veg might on

1567
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 8: post and me just feeling an ei gratitude towards her,

1568
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 8: and it was so besful and the thought that new

1569
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 8: mums wouldn't get that really upset me when I read it,

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Speaker 8: And I think it's just one of those things that

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01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 8: someone somewhere made a silly decision. The decision was that

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Speaker 8: it was better if people got a full meal after

1573
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 8: they gave first rather than pasts. But then in practice,

1574
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 8: of course, that would be harder to deliver it, so

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 8: it didn't happen to some people. And look, doctor Reche's

1576
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 8: made it very clear to healthy.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon that's what it was like? Bs on

1578
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 3: that story from them. I reckon that they just did

1579
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 3: this because of funding cuts.

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Speaker 8: Well, I take them at face, tell you, and that's

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Speaker 8: what I read as their explanation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, you know, if you're in hospital,

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 3: you have to wait till the prescribed meal time. So

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01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 3: if you're giving birth, I don't know, let's say nine o'clock,

1585
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 3: you're waiting until midday one to have some meals.

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 8: No argument to me, hopeless ideas, And I'm just glad

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01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 8: that the woman at Wellington Hospital will be getting their time.

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01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 3: Common senses prevailed. But hey, listen, can you actually rule

1589
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 3: out the fact though, that there are a bunch of

1590
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 3: people working in the public service who are determined to

1591
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,480
Speaker 3: get you negative headlines and this is one of those examples.

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01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 8: Well, in politics there are always people who want to

1593
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 8: search out the negatives, and our job is to make

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 8: extraor tangible progress so that people experience that. And I'm

1595
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 8: confident that are across a range of domains people are

1596
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 8: seeing that. You know, inflation is coming down, interest rates

1597
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 8: are coming down, tax releases and bank accounts and under

1598
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 8: pleased business confidence is up. These are real things. So

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 8: Nancy negative can go on, but we've actually got to

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Speaker 8: focus on delivering results.

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Speaker 3: Did you see Carolyn McLeish suggesting that we sell down

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Speaker 3: some assets.

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 8: Yes, I did.

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: It's becoming a regular in our slot. I'm just going

1605
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: to advocate right at your Nikola to sell down some assets.

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Speaker 8: What did you think, well, I thought that that was

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Speaker 8: consistent of the advice that Treasure gave us after the election. Obviously,

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Speaker 8: as we're discussed on your show previously, the Prime Minister

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 8: has said that we don't intend to be selling state

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,919
Speaker 8: owned enterprises this term. We are looking at the purpose

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Speaker 8: of the ownership. We have a many state assets to

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01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 8: ensure that we're using that money to the best advantage

1613
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 8: for New Zealanders and that they're performing well. So we're

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 8: doing that work.

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Speaker 3: Did you look at TV and Z whether it's multimillion

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01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 3: dollar loss this year and think, well, I'd love to

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 3: get rid of you.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, it's a real worry what's happening with the

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Speaker 8: media generally. And I acknowledge that I'm money getting many

1620
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 8: who are still managing to operate a profitable business, so

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01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 8: good on you. But across the world the media is

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01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 8: finding things challenging with new revenue models, and TV and

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01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 8: ZED is caught in that, and it's our expectation that

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 8: they do before better financially. It is a disappointing result

1625
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 8: and we're expecting them to work towards a plan to

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Speaker 8: rectify it.

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Speaker 3: Did you look at a New Zealand's tiny, tiny little

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 3: profit and think I'd love to get rid of you.

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01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 8: No, that wasn't my reaction. We'd actually expected their result

1630
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 8: not to be as good as last year. They have

1631
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 8: been having those engine issues. There is a difficult economic context.

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01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 8: They're a range of factors. But of course at the

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01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 8: same time always saying how can you perform better? How

1634
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,480
Speaker 8: can you do better next year? That's our job as

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01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 8: a key shaeholder.

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Speaker 3: And what about New Zealand Posts lost? Did you think

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01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 3: I'd love to divest myself of you?

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01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 11: Well?

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 8: The challenge on ze Post, of course is that I

1640
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 8: don't think there's anyone else who would want to take

1641
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 8: over sending the letters to everyone in New Zealand. It's

1642
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 8: a challenging business to run. It's an important public service

1643
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 8: and so they balance that, of course with their caurier

1644
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 8: business and the other functions. Again, as for all of

1645
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 8: these entities, they've got tax payer dollars that have funded

1646
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 8: them through the years and we want to see those

1647
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 8: dollars performing the best they can for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Michael Hill has just posted its results right, and

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 3: of course they operate across Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: In Australia, and I'm talking about this financial year, the

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Speaker 3: one that we're eight weeks into. Canada's same store sales

1652
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 3: have gone up four percent. Ozsies have gone up five

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01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 3: percent and ours have gone down six percent. What's going on?

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01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I think that there has been some real

1655
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 8: challenges with crime. That's a real focus for us coming

1656
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 8: in as the government, and we are making progress. In

1657
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,839
Speaker 8: the first five months of this year, there were fifteen

1658
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 8: percent fewer burglaries, ten percent for your aggravated robberies. So

1659
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 8: we are seeing signs of progress, but there's a lot

1660
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 8: more work to do, and we're doing it.

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Speaker 3: Are you worried that if it carries on like this

1662
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 3: with the crime, that you will actually I mean, Michael

1663
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 3: Hill's only shot two stores, but are you worried they're

1664
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: going to shout more? Other businesses may fold up and

1665
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 3: just decide it's not worth doing business here.

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Speaker 8: Well, we don't want that to happen, and that's why

1667
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 8: we're taking fighting crime so seriously. It's why we're introducing

1668
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 8: measures to have stronger sentence. We're going hot on the

1669
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 8: gangs and people will have observed what happened to the

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Speaker 8: common ciros last week It's why we're doing everything we

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 8: can to disrupt criminal behavior because ultimately it's a threat

1672
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 8: to public safety, also a threat to business. We don't

1673
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 8: like that, and we're acting hard us.

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01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 3: Do you know where that sentencing law is at?

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 8: I know that the Minister in charge, Paul Goldsmith's progressing

1676
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 8: that and we'll have more to say about it.

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Speaker 3: So oh brilliant, Okay, give them the hurry up, Nicholas,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much, really appreciated. It's Nichola Willis, the

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Speaker 3: Finance Minister at seventeen past.

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Speaker 2: Six, crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather

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Speaker 2: Duplicy Ellen with the Business Hours thanks to my HR,

1682
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Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME on news.

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Speaker 3: TALKSB just want to point something out to you, because look,

1684
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Speaker 3: I am, I am sort of I'll be honest with you.

1685
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 3: I'm harping on about I'm being that person. Aren't I'm

1686
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 3: harping on? Aren't I about the asset sales? But I'm

1687
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 3: going to keep going on this until we actually see

1688
01:16:56,160 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: some asset sales because I do think that I do

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01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 3: firmly believe that if you introduce a little bit of

1690
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 3: the old private capital and then get things working a

1691
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 3: little bit better, you'll actually get more efficiencies. Please note

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 3: that what Nicola Willis keeps on saying is we will

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Speaker 3: consider we will not consider assets sales this term, which

1694
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 3: obviously means next term. It's a thing that could actually

1695
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 3: be happening. To keep an eye on that. And as

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: she pointed out, Treasury has been advocating for this for

1697
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 3: the longest time. And Treasury has basically said, if we can.

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 3: We've got a whole bunch of assets that we have

1699
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: very little rationale for owning. We just own them because

1700
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 3: it's like a comfort blanket for people, right because the

1701
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 3: asset sales in the eighties were so hideous and everybody

1702
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 3: hated what happened, and it was all that kind of

1703
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 3: weird cronyism and stuff that happened with friends of the

1704
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 3: cabinet ministers managed to get their hands on asset sales

1705
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, such for the allegations. Anyway, as

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01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 3: a result of that, people don't like it. So you

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01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: have to treat this thing really carefully. But if you

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01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 3: don't need to own it, like why are we owning

1709
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 3: land called why do we have to have these farms?

1710
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 3: Get rid of the blinking thing. Heather Nicola is amazing.

1711
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 3: She answered every question off pat not like her predecessor, Heather.

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01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 3: I love Nikola. She's unflappable, she never shies away, so

1713
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 3: you go, she's She's obviously got a fan base out there.

1714
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: The OCR cut has immediately had an impact on the

1715
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: property market, which is exactly what everybody was expecting it

1716
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 3: would do. I don't cool your jets before, you know, like,

1717
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,600
Speaker 3: let's just cool our jets. And I'll get to that

1718
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Speaker 3: in a minute. But Real Estate dot codon z shows

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01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: that buyer inquiries have increased by eight point five percent

1720
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Speaker 3: just in the fortnight afterwards. Now that's not a lot, right,

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01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 3: But if you round it up and you go, oh,

1722
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 3: it's a round about nine percent, that's not bad just

1723
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: in a fortnight. The national average asking price, though did

1724
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,439
Speaker 3: dip slightly. It went down in August. It's now at

1725
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: its lowest in three and a half years. So while

1726
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 3: people are out there having a look, it doesn't mean

1727
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 3: that it's actually leading to higher prices. Auckland, though finally

1728
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: saw a slight increase in its average asking price. This

1729
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 3: is the first time month or month since April there's

1730
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 3: been a bit of a tough time in the Auckland market.

1731
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 3: Why I say it cool your jets is because all

1732
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 3: of the stuff that's been done by Chris Bishop in tandem,

1733
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 3: not in tandem, but at the same time is what

1734
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank is doing with the debt to income

1735
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,600
Speaker 3: ratio and stuff like that just makes me feel like

1736
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 3: when we do finally start seeing that price is going

1737
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: back up, I do not think that they're going to

1738
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 3: go up at the rate that they perhaps have in

1739
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: the past. So it will get better, just won't get better.

1740
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 3: It's not going to be like COVID Foumo days ever. Again. Listen,

1741
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,919
Speaker 3: we're going to talk to Ryman after six point thirty.

1742
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 3: The chair, the executive chair is going to be with us,

1743
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 3: Dean Hamilton, because Ryman Healthcare has just announced today that

1744
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 3: it's going to increase what it calls its deferred management fees.

1745
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: This is the amount that when people live in the

1746
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 3: Ryman villages they may not pay, like a weekly rent

1747
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, they defer it to when they leave,

1748
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 3: and then at that point they pay a big lump sum.

1749
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 3: It used to be twenty percent. I'm interested they're going

1750
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 3: to put it up. I'm interested to see what it's

1751
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 3: going to go up to. And basically the reason for

1752
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 3: that is that people were getting a really good deal

1753
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 3: and living a lot longer and hanging around in that

1754
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 3: unit is a lot longer, so they're having to fix

1755
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 3: that up. So you'll be with us after half buff

1756
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 3: six to talk us through it right now at six

1757
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 3: twenty three.

1758
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Speaker 1: Aproaching the numbers and getting the results.

1759
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Speaker 2: It's hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to

1760
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 2: my HR the HR solution for busy sms on News talksb.

1761
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Speaker 3: Sex twenty five and Shane solely from Harbor Asset Management

1762
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 3: is with us A Shane Hi here that so well,

1763
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 3: thank you mate. So we see the markets around the

1764
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: world of continuing to price in the interest rate carts,

1765
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 3: right is this should we be expecting the space on

1766
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 3: the data we're seeing?

1767
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 15: Yeah, Look, I think we continue to see release data

1768
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 15: releases during the month that show us as this market

1769
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 15: friendly profile and moderating price pressure and activity falling without

1770
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 15: blowing up. That supports central banks continuing the cut rates.

1771
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Speaker 15: Last week on Friday, we saw the US personal consumption

1772
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 15: expension of inflation. That's the one the US said watches

1773
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 15: coming in line with expectations about point two percent up

1774
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 15: for the month, so nothing to disturbed markets. Markets are

1775
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 15: expecting a quarter of percent cut September from the FED

1776
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 15: and sitting it's on track. We've got some data out

1777
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 15: on Friday, the US employment data that will be really

1778
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 15: closely watched, but cases whether it's a quarter or half

1779
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 15: a percent. So yeah, the data's on track.

1780
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 3: Okay, So they're looking okay in the US. What the

1781
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: hell's going on with China?

1782
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 14: Mm?

1783
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 15: Yeah, really, Max, we see it's really choppy data out

1784
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 15: of China. Today. We saw one set of data, the

1785
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 15: Kijin Manufacturing Purchasing Management Index. It's a bit of a

1786
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 15: mouthful to lead indicator for inputs particularly from small medium

1787
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 15: sized enterprise, and that was good. It was fifty point four,

1788
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 15: so above expectations which were fifty and that thing there

1789
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 15: was a bit of an expansion. But on over the

1790
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 15: weekend we saw another set of data, which is the

1791
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 15: Official Manufacturing and Purchasing Mandarindix, which is so state owned enterprises,

1792
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 15: so different set from the small medium sized enterprise, and

1793
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 15: that came in lower forty nine point one. A lot

1794
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 15: of expectations are twenty nine point five, and that suggests

1795
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 15: the economy is slowing, so look the data just is mixed.

1796
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 15: It just produced. Now the Chinese economy continuing to go

1797
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 15: to a bit of research, so something to watch for.

1798
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Speaker 15: They on economy.

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Speaker 3: Because self, Shane is always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you next week, mate, look after yourself, Shane,

1801
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 3: Solly Harbor asset Management. Listen, I've got time. I've got

1802
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Speaker 3: to tell you the latest out of the Duval situations. Fascinating.

1803
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: Stand By Headline's next news talks EB.

1804
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just playing economics.

1805
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Speaker 2: It's all on The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1806
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1807
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Speaker 2: talks EVND.

1808
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 3: So it's a first for the far right over in

1809
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 3: Germany for the first time since World War Two. Not

1810
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 3: a big moment, but yes, the first time since World

1811
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Speaker 3: War II they've actually managed to win a victory over

1812
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 3: their political victory. So we'll have check to Gavin Gray

1813
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 3: about it when he's with us in around ten minutes time.

1814
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty five away from seven now. The

1815
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 3: country's largest age care operator is pumping up prices. Ryme

1816
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 3: in Healthcare will increase its deferred management fees. That's the

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01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 3: amount that residents pay when they finally permanently vacate their units,

1818
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 3: and also the weekly fixed charges they're going to go

1819
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 3: up as well. Dean Hamilton is the rhyme in healthcare

1820
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,480
Speaker 3: Executive chair Heyden.

1821
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 21: Hi, he how are you?

1822
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 16: Well?

1823
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 4: Thank?

1824
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 3: You know you're essentially pumping up your deferred management fees

1825
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 3: because people are living longer.

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01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 21: Right, well, I want to call them pumping up we are.

1827
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 21: We're moving more to a market basis. We've currently got

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01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 21: a twenty percent theferred management fee, which essentially is rent

1829
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 21: that we take off the resident when they depart so

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01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 21: they don't pay rent on the way through. So we're

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01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 21: currently about twenty percent of the value they give us

1832
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 21: when they move in, and we're going to move that

1833
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 21: to thirty percent, which is where the majority of the

1834
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 21: market is a large part because people are living longer

1835
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 21: and staying with us longer. So we just believe we

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01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 21: need to get that restructure right to reflect that.

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01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 3: I mean, that's obviously going to only affect new residents.

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01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,839
Speaker 3: I would imagine you're not changing existing contracts.

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01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 21: Key thing, it's all about new resident. It's we've got

1840
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 21: lifelong commitments for all our current residents, whether that's on

1841
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 21: DMF or whether that's the weekly fees. So this is

1842
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 21: from one October the shift. For a new resident, there

1843
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 21: will be a choice of DMF thirty or twenty five,

1844
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 21: and there will be either a fixed fee or an

1845
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 21: inflating weekly fee. So hopefully, well, you know, for the

1846
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 21: whatever financial position they're in, we can find a solution.

1847
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 3: But so what that means then is that you'll potentially

1848
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 3: a couple of decades if felt more away from actually

1849
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 3: seeing this flow.

1850
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 21: Through, right, I probably not a couple of decades. The

1851
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:38,560
Speaker 21: average person in the refirement living sect and stays around nine.

1852
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,919
Speaker 7: Years decades our decade.

1853
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, fair enough, but what about the weekly fixed charges?

1854
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: How much are they going out by?

1855
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 21: So we haven't said that difference by region, differences by country.

1856
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 21: We've got out fifty villages. Ten of those exist in Victoria.

1857
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 21: We've got forty throughout New Zealand. So they'll be different

1858
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 21: by by country, and we will look to large we

1859
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 21: move our current rate to an indexed rate. So if

1860
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 21: you're paying roughly two hundred dollars an hour, that around

1861
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 21: that rate will be our base fee that you'll index

1862
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 21: off and depending on the region. We'll then have a

1863
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 21: higher fixed fee that says that'll never move again, but

1864
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 21: that needs to capture nine years of inflation. So it's

1865
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 21: a significantly higher number than the new weekly.

1866
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 3: Okay, do you know how much high?

1867
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 21: Well, again, it will change by regions, so we're kind

1868
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 21: of not putting a price list out in the media today.

1869
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 21: Will differ by region.

1870
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 6: So in terms of.

1871
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 3: The number of units that we've got available in the country,

1872
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 3: are we meeting demand yet or are we still lagging here?

1873
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 21: Well, I think in terms of the current mark there

1874
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 21: we are reasonable balance at the moment, probably a little

1875
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 21: bit more supply than demand because the residence obviously we've

1876
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,680
Speaker 21: still got this wave of aging population. But they are

1877
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 21: now strugging to sell their houses because of the residential

1878
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 21: property market, so invariably hither they need to sell family

1879
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 21: home and take that capital and purchase an occupational right.

1880
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 21: And I think Auckland clearance rates are roughly twenty five percent,

1881
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 21: So we have these people signed up, but they're just

1882
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 21: struggling to sell their houses. So you know, I think

1883
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 21: that will take a little bit of time to work through.

1884
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 3: Do you have But then okay, so let's say we

1885
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: work through that dean, then where are we are we

1886
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 3: going to have still supply outstripping demand or will that

1887
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 3: flip around?

1888
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 21: I think we'll slip around because, in essence of the

1889
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 21: recent report done by the government by an independent company

1890
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Speaker 21: called SAPIA, in the next teen years will be twelve

1891
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 21: thousand age care beds short, and there's potentially going to

1892
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 21: be a similar number of retirement bill units short as well.

1893
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 21: So yeah, I think the danger will be particularly on

1894
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 21: the age key is setting with. You know, we believe

1895
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 21: the government underfunding age here residential age communities and people

1896
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 21: just aren't going to be building those new villages, which

1897
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 21: is one of the reasons why we're paused. We want

1898
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 21: to see what this government lands before we building more beds.

1899
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,520
Speaker 21: We said we will, but you know, you have to

1900
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 21: provide a reasonable return on capital. Otherwise these people will

1901
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 21: not come into villagers. They'll end up in your hospitals

1902
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 21: and now they will cost you even more. So we

1903
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 21: just think they need to lean in.

1904
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 3: That one hundred and twelve thousand number. Is that just

1905
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 3: baby boomers or are we starting to count the exits

1906
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 3: there as well?

1907
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 21: Now that's twelve thousand, not one hundred twenty thousand, twelve thousands,

1908
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 21: twelve thousand, twelve thousand, they'll be short in AGEK beds

1909
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 21: within ten years.

1910
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's still baby boomers.

1911
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, that's just the aging population now. And you

1912
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 21: know it's coming when you.

1913
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 3: Guys cast ahead, when that baby boomer bubble bump goes through,

1914
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 3: are you guys going to end up having way too

1915
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 3: many units?

1916
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 6: No?

1917
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 21: I think if most of those demographics that run through there,

1918
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 21: that's at least twenty five years away. And so well

1919
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 21: that's that's beyond my time frame.

1920
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 3: So not mine though.

1921
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 21: Oh you're lucky you're younger than we'll have a bed

1922
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 21: for you.

1923
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 10: It will keep a bit you.

1924
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 3: Oh cool. Under millennials, I thought the millennials were a

1925
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 3: really big cohort as well.

1926
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 21: Now, what do you describe as a millennial. Everyone's got

1927
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 21: a different definition.

1928
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I thought a millennial is sort of anyone

1929
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: up to about like forty forty three? Is forty four ish?

1930
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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's still homeowners, isn't it? By and large? Yeah,

1931
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 21: and so they will be looking to think I think

1932
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 21: the future, in my view, there'll be a combination of

1933
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 21: people aging in place in their homes. Also people wanted

1934
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 21: to move into residential age kere like a rhyming village

1935
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 21: that has a continuum of key. You can start out independent.

1936
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Speaker 21: You got a garage in your car and you're driving

1937
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Speaker 21: the golf, but you're coming back, you having dinner there

1938
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 21: from in the paul playing bowls, and then as you know,

1939
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 21: as you get older or your partner it becomes ill.

1940
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 21: You can move into service or you can move into care.

1941
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Speaker 21: So yeah, we still think the product is remains a

1942
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 21: high demand and it'll be part of the solution. I

1943
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 21: think roughly I saw a number today twelve percent of

1944
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 21: people over saving your father actually inside of residential Thelitza.

1945
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Speaker 21: We're not saying it's the sole answer, but certainly part

1946
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Speaker 21: of the solution we think.

1947
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Speaker 3: Dean, it's very good to talk to you. Thank you

1948
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Speaker 3: so much, really appreciated. That's Dean Hamilton, Ryman Healthcare's executive chair.

1949
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Speaker 3: I thought this was interesting. Out of the UK, Strictly

1950
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,799
Speaker 3: Come Dancing is dropping its same sex couples for next season.

1951
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 3: Now they've had same sex couples like boy dancing with

1952
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: boy or girl dancing with girl for five seasons now,

1953
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 3: and I mean we've had a New Zealand right it

1954
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 3: would just become a thing that you do. But now

1955
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 3: strictly Come Dancing have apparently reportedly decided they're going to

1956
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Speaker 3: cut the same sex couples, go back to the traditional

1957
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Speaker 3: boy girl couple. Apparently what they're trying to do is

1958
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 3: get away from a series of scandals. Now, the scandals

1959
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 3: have got nothing, absolutely nothing from what I can tell,

1960
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 3: to do with same sex couples. It's completely unrelated. There

1961
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 3: was bullying allegations on one of the seasons, and then

1962
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,879
Speaker 3: another one one of the dancers allegedly kicked the partner

1963
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 3: and then got sacked, and now they're going them for

1964
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: unfair dismissal and stuff. But perhaps what's gone gone on

1965
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 3: here is that with all of the brew ha ha

1966
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 3: around these scandals, they're losing audience, and so their remedy

1967
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 3: to get the audience back is to go back to

1968
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 3: the old traditional model of boy and girl. That's the

1969
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 3: only the only way I can figure this out. Otherwise,

1970
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 3: cannot understand why Gavin Gray's with us next seventy anyway,

1971
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 3: from seven.

1972
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Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1973
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: with Hither Duper c and my HR, the HR solution

1974
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 2: for busy SMS on news talks.

1975
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Speaker 3: It'd be right, it's called it to seven. We're going

1976
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 3: to get Daval. I haven't forgotten Daval. We've got to

1977
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 3: deal with that shortly right now with us as Gavin Gray,

1978
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Speaker 3: UK correspondent, I Gavin.

1979
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Speaker 22: Hi there.

1980
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Speaker 3: Hell, So the fire right's got a victory.

1981
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Speaker 22: Ah, yes, they have this in Germany and certainly causing

1982
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 22: a few shockwaves around the EU. That is because the

1983
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 22: old anti immigration party, the Alternative for Deutschland or the

1984
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 22: Alternative for Germany, the AfD party is celebrating what it's

1985
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 22: calling an historic success. It is the first time that

1986
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 22: the far right has won a state election since the

1987
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 22: Second World War and the Nazis, so that just really

1988
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:12,759
Speaker 22: focuses the mind on how groundbreaking this is. The AfD

1989
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 22: won a third of the vote, nine points ahead of

1990
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 22: the Conservative CDU in an eastern state of Thuringia, and interestingly,

1991
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 22: the three governing parties in the coalition that rules national

1992
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 22: German politics. All of those three parties were well down

1993
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 22: from those top two votes. So it just goes to show,

1994
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,719
Speaker 22: I think a little in the way in which German

1995
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 22: minds are working. Part of this course has been focused

1996
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 22: by the killing of three people in a stabbing by

1997
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 22: a suspected or the suspect rather is a Syrian asylum

1998
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 22: seeker in his twenties said to be working for Islamic State.

1999
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 22: That was just over a week ago and I think

2000
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 22: has really swayed the election. A second state was also

2001
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 22: up in Saxony, and the alternative for Deutschen only just

2002
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,640
Speaker 22: lost that one very very slightly to the CDU. So

2003
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 22: those two parties, neither of them in government doing extremely well.

2004
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,759
Speaker 22: The government party is doing really really badly. The federal

2005
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:17,759
Speaker 22: elections are just a year away, and as you can imagine,

2006
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 22: a lot of disquiere about what this will mean for

2007
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 22: German politics.

2008
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 3: What do we know about the guy I mean who

2009
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 3: leads the party in this particular provinces described as highly controversial.

2010
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 3: What's the controversial about them?

2011
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Speaker 22: Well, the controversial things is basically that beyond Hecker, who's

2012
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 22: said that this was a historic victory, spoke of his

2013
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 22: great pride, he has in the past said things which

2014
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 22: the Germans say are against the law. He denies this,

2015
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 22: but basically using phrases that hark back to those to

2016
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 22: the Nazi era, which in Germany is not allowed now.

2017
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Speaker 22: He denies doing that. But nevertheless, some people suspect them.

2018
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 22: There are a lot of people who are very, very

2019
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 22: sympathetic to that way of thinking. In this part.

2020
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Speaker 3: I mean, there are photographs of him online going back

2021
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 3: to twenty sixteen of pulling what appears to be a

2022
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 3: Nazi salute. You know, you have to ef factor in

2023
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 3: that it's possible to capture somebody kind of at an

2024
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 3: awkward moment and it looks like it. But I mean,

2025
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 3: given the party's kind of affinity with some Nazish type ideas,

2026
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 3: that is him pulling a Nazi salute, isn't it.

2027
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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean it looks to all intents and purposes

2028
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 22: like that, as you're saying, though you know, it is

2029
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 22: sometimes difficult when it's a snapshop to know that that

2030
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 22: is actually what was being done. Incidentally, though the AFP

2031
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 22: has tried to clean up its image considerably, talking more

2032
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 22: about the economy and migration than anything else. But yeah,

2033
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,799
Speaker 22: many people do fear that behind this is an underbelly

2034
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 22: of extreme far right. However, having said all of that,

2035
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 22: even though they're secured a third of the votes, on

2036
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 22: more than a third of the vote, it's unlikely to

2037
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 22: get anywhere near a working majority because all the other

2038
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 22: parties are refusing to go into coalition with it. That said,

2039
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 22: some laws in Germany require a two thirds majority, and

2040
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 22: because the AfD has more than a third of the seats,

2041
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 22: that means it could block some pretty important legislation.

2042
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,960
Speaker 3: Kevin, I bet you're feeling absolutely vindicated and not going

2043
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 3: for the Zoasis tickets.

2044
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 22: Indeed so so. Originally up for roughly two hundred and

2045
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 22: eighty New Zealand dollars, some climb to nearly triple that

2046
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,600
Speaker 22: price when the sale began, and that's because the dynamic

2047
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 22: pricing it's called, in other words, supply and demand. When

2048
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 22: there's demand, the prices rise, and now was huge demand

2049
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 22: for these tickets. Now there's nothing illegal about what has

2050
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 22: been done, but it has left many fans furious because

2051
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,720
Speaker 22: as they queued for hours on the phone, you could

2052
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,680
Speaker 22: see the price is going up effectively. So you know,

2053
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 22: the government has recognized this, in line with previous administrations incidentally,

2054
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 22: who recognized it. The problem is what to do and

2055
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 22: which bit of legislations change. Obviously it should come under

2056
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 22: some kind of consumer rights issue, but you know, supply

2057
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 22: and demand is there and that cannot be changed. But

2058
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 22: to see those ticket prices go up as you're waving

2059
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 22: on a line together them is deeply infuriating.

2060
01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 3: Oh I bet yeah, Gavin, Hey, thanks very much. Man,

2061
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 3: really appreciate it talking you in a couple of days.

2062
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray are UK corresponding. Weird thing happened in Wellington overnight. Okay,

2063
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 3: so Wellingtonians woke up to a whole bunch of shops

2064
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 3: on the Terrace having their glass smashed out the front.

2065
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: And initially the reports were that there were gun shots.

2066
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 3: I'm very happy to tell you that was not true.

2067
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 3: Turns out gets weirder though. Turns out a guy had

2068
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 3: come byo hammer and had gone around targeting the Superrette

2069
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 3: on the Terrace and also the Holy Bagels, and he

2070
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,719
Speaker 3: was smashing particular parts like he was smashing the devil

2071
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 3: horns and the Holy Bagel thing. And then in the

2072
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 3: Superrette there were zeros in the name or something and

2073
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 3: he was smashing them like you can see that this

2074
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 3: is a bit. But then it gets weirder. He may

2075
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 3: a hole in the Holy Bagels glass and then he

2076
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 3: started pushing mushrooms through it. So he's byohammer, but I

2077
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 3: think I don't know if he's BYO mushrooms, and I'm

2078
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 3: wondering this is an extreme case of a consumer not

2079
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 3: very happy with the product that was. I mean, that's

2080
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 3: the only explanation that you can come to for why

2081
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 3: you're pushing mushrooms through the window of Holy Bagels Wellington.

2082
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 3: Some weird things going on here nine away from seven.

2083
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 2: Whether it's macro MicroB or just plain economics. It's all

2084
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 2: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

2085
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 2: the HR platform for SME News talksp Okay.

2086
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 3: So the deval thing, it's it's six away from seven,

2087
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 3: So the deval thing is fascinating. Jane for The Herald.

2088
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 3: I'd never know how to pronounce Jane's surname, do you know, Michael?

2089
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 3: Is it Jane Fair? Is it Jane biharrere Fair?

2090
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 6: Right?

2091
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 3: They wouldn't just write it with an F at the

2092
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 3: front with day, they have to pH it. So anyway,

2093
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 3: Jane Fair has written a fantastic piece on Duval which

2094
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 3: is mind blowing. The people who've been put into statutory management.

2095
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 3: You know, Kenyon and Charlotte Flashy Flashy live in remu

2096
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 3: Era in twenty twenty one, when The Herald's property editor

2097
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:10,919
Speaker 3: Anne Gibson wrote about a burst water main in Lakewood

2098
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 3: Plaza in Manacu, which was developed by the Duval Group

2099
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 3: with Downey Construction in twenty twenty. Kenyon Clark responded with

2100
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 3: an FU message on his Instagram account. He wrote slow

2101
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 3: news day FU and we hate your whole crew, and

2102
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 3: had the Lily allensong fu playing in the background. But

2103
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 3: Anne was right, because in August this year, owners of

2104
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 3: apartments in Lakewood Plaza told The Herald they were still

2105
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 3: paying millions of dollars to fix water damage from three

2106
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,240
Speaker 3: years ago. At one stage, and this is mind blowing.

2107
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 3: At one stage, the respected Auckland journalist Maria Slade had

2108
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 3: security guards stationed outside her home after she revealed earlier

2109
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,400
Speaker 3: this year that Kenyon and Charlotte Clark did not own

2110
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 3: their various Remue era homes that they lived in. They

2111
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: obviously did not like being rent shamed. Nbr's publisher was

2112
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 3: sufficiently alarmed by the tone of a call from Kenyan

2113
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 3: Clark in which he said he knew where Slade lived

2114
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 3: to call in security. Now, just let me underscore for

2115
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 3: you how crazy that is. We do not call in

2116
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 3: security for journalists with like gang members or things like that.

2117
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 3: But we called insecurity. This is NBR, not we I've

2118
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,600
Speaker 3: got nothing to do with. I'm just talking collectively. But

2119
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 3: we called in security because a chap who was running

2120
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 3: a development company threatened apparently allegedly, possibly on the phone

2121
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 3: Maria Slade. But then, this is my favorite bit of

2122
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 3: Jane Fair's article. I'm so glad I finally figured out

2123
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 3: how to say her name, because she writes brilliant stuff.

2124
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 3: Jane Fair then writes Kenyan speaks as though he has

2125
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 3: a cork stuck in his mouth.

2126
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,240
Speaker 13: If you're thinking along the lines of tax Haven's born

2127
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 13: movies or relying on the secrecy of Swiss bankers, this

2128
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 13: isn't what this series teaches.

2129
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 3: Tell me. She's right, She's not wrong, She's right. Cork

2130
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 3: in the mouth, ants, And.

2131
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 23: I tell you why, Anne Gibson's whole crew that include us,

2132
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 23: wouldn't it. I mean, New Zealand Herald News talks in

2133
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 23: your own by the same company. Okay, with that being

2134
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 23: so mean, already good thing to him.

2135
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 6: Yep.

2136
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 23: Gracie Abrams, singer Gracy Abrams out of Los Angeles, is

2137
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,600
Speaker 23: coming to New Zealand. She will just be playing the

2138
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 23: one show at Spark Arena in Auckland. It'll be on

2139
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 23: a Tuesday night April twenty ninth, because obviously she's doing

2140
01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 23: the Australia to her and she's doing this one real

2141
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:21,719
Speaker 23: quick first up before she does that. But yeah, seven

2142
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 23: billion or not seven billion people her her music has

2143
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 23: been streamed seven billion times around the world and she's

2144
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 23: open for Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swift. So the label's

2145
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 23: very much pushing her as the next big thing in pop.

2146
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 23: So if you want to see if that's the case,

2147
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 23: then grab yourself a ticket and get along there from Ticketmaster.

2148
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 23: Oh little bit, it's American Express Members pre sales starting

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Speaker 23: tomorrow as well, So you need.

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Speaker 3: An America is Express card from Ticketmaster. Yeah, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: it's a bit of dynamic pricing will be going on there,

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Speaker 3: won't it.

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Speaker 23: I wouldn't write, I wouldn't rule this out.

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Speaker 3: It's possible, is that? Thank you for that? And so

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Speaker 3: if you feel like I'm experiencing that dynamic pricing for yourself,

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Speaker 3: go and see what's if? What's her name? Gracie, Gracie Abrams,

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Speaker 3: Grace Enjoy see tomorrow Cosky Costy Costy.

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