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Speaker 1: So change coming to the early childhood sector. We've got

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Speaker 1: a review and announced the idea. It simplifies the way

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Speaker 1: it works. That a look into education, health safety, child protection,

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Speaker 1: food safety, buildings, workplaces, et cetera. Early Childhood Counsel boss

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Speaker 1: Simon Lover is with us, Simon Brey, Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: Welcome and over due or not oh very much.

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Speaker 2: Long over due, couldn't get started soon enough.

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Speaker 1: The examples that David Seymour gave is yesterday about all

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Speaker 1: the stuff you have to go through paperwork wise, are

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Speaker 1: they real?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. The system we've got it's just not

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Speaker 2: for purpose. It's so complex and some of those regulations

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Speaker 2: they're conflicting with each other. They get applied inconsistently, and

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Speaker 2: real icing on the cake is one minor infraction and

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Speaker 2: it could mean the entire loss of your license, and

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Speaker 2: that could happen in twenty four hours, and that just

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Speaker 2: that's a killer blow. It can knock the service out

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Speaker 2: and there's nothing they can do to recover. But I've

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Speaker 2: got a string of really good examples. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a good way for people to relate to things. But

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Speaker 2: I think the best example is really around teachers. So

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Speaker 2: if you think about Minister Seymour talks about that person

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Speaker 2: in charge, the person responsible, we need one of those

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Speaker 2: for every fifty children. And that regulation recently got strengthened

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Speaker 2: in February to make it even harder. And they've got

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Speaker 2: to be teachers. With that regulation, we can have a

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Speaker 2: teacher who's trained an EEE or it could be a

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Speaker 2: primary school teacher. However, we've also got another regulation for

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Speaker 2: required staff and in that second regulation we've got to

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Speaker 2: meet her at fifty percent. The primary school teachers don't

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Speaker 2: count as teachers at all. They're nothing, They're unqualified teachers,

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Speaker 2: so they don't count. And then we have another rule

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Speaker 2: around funding around teachers as well, and for that one

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Speaker 2: we can count teachers who are in training. It is

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Speaker 2: incredibly unworkable, you know, how how do you make all

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Speaker 2: these systems that don't work together work at a level.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's hope that they tidy it up, clean it up,

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Speaker 1: and you can, as David Seymour said yesterday, move faster

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Speaker 1: and do more. Simon Lover, who's the Early Childhood Counsel CEO.

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