1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Very so ba our senior political correspondence with us right now, Hey, Barry, 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: just the other micro didn't doing the same thing as 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: as Darcy did earlier, Roll microphone. I think this is 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: a problem. We're going to fix the We're going to 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: fix this ourselves. This is a setup problem. This is 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: not your problem. So I apologize for that, Barry. I 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: apologize for us embarrassing you like that. 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Darcy didn't sound too embarrassed, neither of us. 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: Since it's not my fault, not even a shame of 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: the Hey, the housing shakeup's going to prove controversial, isn't it. 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: Well, it is, but anything would be better than key 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: we build, I suppose. But I think the main thing 13 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: that's getting attention is getting rid of minimum floor areas 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: and balcony requirements for apartments and rules to allow cities 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: to extend outwards at the fringes. And I think extending 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: outwards is actually what cities have been very reluctant to 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: do in the past, and I think it's a really 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: good thing. I mean, you can't confine as city and say, 19 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: like Labour saw, the answer was density, high density in cities. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: But people don't want to live on top of each 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: other unless you're in an apartment, and there's nothing wrong 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: in living in an apartment. The christ Bishop, the Housing minister, 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: he says the government rejects the view that said he 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: can cidies can only grow outwards, they can grow up 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: as well, and to that end, he's talking about apartments. Interestingly, 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: there was one comment that he made and I'm just 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: not quite sure how they're going to achieve this. He 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: said these city fringe changes would mean people could build 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: there as long as they covered the costs of associated 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: associated infrastructure. I'm not quite sure how that works. I 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: guess it's developers that developers want to like Drury, want 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: to develop an area, then I've got to look after 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: the orchestructure. The council's job. 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: So it has been the responsibility of the council to 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: do all pipework and all that kind of stuff. And 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: so what he's saying is the developers have to do 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: this right. 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: So I see that, but I guess that could be 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: something of a problem because infrastructure usually is a council's responsibility. 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: So development, I'll. 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: Tell you what the developers can make the money. The 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: books balances still make a buck out of it. They'll 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: be doing it those pipes as fast as you possibly can. 44 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, councils are now being told by central government 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: what's expected of them when it comes to the likes 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: of apartments. Here's Chris Bishop. 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: Evidence from twenty fifteen shows them in the Auckland market. 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: For example, balcony size requirements increase the cost of an 49 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 3: apartment by forty to seventy thousand dollars per unit. We 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: will therefore remove the ability for counselors to set rules 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: or guidelines that require balconies or flaw areas to be 52 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 3: of a minimum size. Developers will still be able to 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: size dwellings and choose to provide balconies as they and 54 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: their customers see fit, provided they can fly with national 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: building standards. You sometimes hear people complain about all of 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: these shoeba apartments and you know, I agree they're not 57 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: the right housing solution for everyone. But you know what's 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: smaller than a shoe box apartment? Cars and tents that 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: people are living in right now in New Zealand. 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: See, And that's a very good point. Actually, that isn't 61 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: it better? I guess though, if you're living in a 62 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: car or an attent. You really haven't got any money 63 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: that you could ever put towards a house or even 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 2: an apartment, So you know, I mean it's all very idealistic, 65 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: but you know in shoe box apartments aren't the most attractive. 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: But at least it's the old story. It's a roof 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: over your head. 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely couldn't agree more. Hey, what do you make of 69 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: this mental health funder the governments announced again? 70 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: It's going to be really interesting. Targets have been set 71 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: and eighty percent of people they tell us are will 72 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: be able to access special mental health and addiction services 73 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: within three weeks, and ninety five percent of mental health 74 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: and addict and related emergency department presentations they'll be seen 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: within three hours. Now, that's very idealistic. And they've put 76 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: ten million dollars a fund for mental health care innovation. 77 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: But it made it got me thinking about what happened 78 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 2: to that massive fund that was announced by Labor back 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, one point nine billion dollars for mental health. Well, 80 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: looking into it, it's hard to see, well, it's not 81 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 2: hard to see where the money went. It didn't go well, 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: it didn't go into mental health. It did go somewhere 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: one point one billion of it went into the general 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: health system, so it went across the board of health system, 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: not to mental health. The rest has been spread across 86 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: a wide range of government agencies, and I find this interesting. Corrections, housing, 87 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: urban development, and the middle history of social development, courts, 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: the Rural Commission of Inquiry into Abuse and Care. Really 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: that's where the money went. And this was well, it's 90 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 2: a bit like the COVID fund that the Labor Party 91 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: said and said it's going to be spent on COVID 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: related issues. Well it will spend on well, it will 93 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: spend Some of it was spent on that, but certainly 94 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 2: not the lot of it. They farmed it out to 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: other areas of need. Fascinating. 96 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: Steff Barry, thank you very much, really appreciate it. That's 97 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: Barry so for senior political correspondent. 98 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 100 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.