WEBVTT - Kent Johns: Beating the end of year burnout 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.681 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talk SEDB. 0:00:42.921 --> 0:00:45.561 Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective on tim Beverage 0:00:45.641 --> 0:00:47.721 and this is the Health. By the way, if you 0:00:47.761 --> 0:00:49.361 miss any of our hours you want to catch up 0:00:49.361 --> 0:00:51.521 with them, go check out our podcast, some news talks website. 0:00:51.521 --> 0:00:52.641 I'll go to iHeartRadio. 0:00:53.521 --> 0:00:57.161 Our political hour was interesting talking to former chief of 0:00:57.161 --> 0:00:59.961 staff for Marco Rubia Matt Terrell, just about the whole 0:01:00.001 --> 0:01:02.561 Trump win and followed up with a fascinating discussion as 0:01:02.561 --> 0:01:05.401 well with Morris Williamson. So you can check that out 0:01:05.441 --> 0:01:07.321 on our podcast. But right now we want you to 0:01:07.361 --> 0:01:09.321 cause us at the Health aub I eight hundred and 0:01:09.401 --> 0:01:11.761 eighty ten eighty in text on nine two nine two, 0:01:12.441 --> 0:01:15.281 And my guest this hour is well, he's well known 0:01:15.281 --> 0:01:17.321 to the show. In fact, it's quite well known to 0:01:17.401 --> 0:01:19.041 z B, having spent a bit of time in the 0:01:19.041 --> 0:01:20.081 airwaves going. 0:01:19.921 --> 0:01:22.321 Back quite a while now. But as Kent John's good, 0:01:22.361 --> 0:01:24.601 I ken, yeah, we'll be a few years now. 0:01:24.921 --> 0:01:27.601 How long is it since you were a sports sort of. 0:01:27.521 --> 0:01:31.881 Since I was flicked, Since since I was wasn't since 0:01:31.921 --> 0:01:35.721 this company just urfed me and my colleagues. They just 0:01:35.761 --> 0:01:37.801 so flagrantly four and a half years. 0:01:37.841 --> 0:01:38.481 Can you believe that? 0:01:38.521 --> 0:01:38.921 Wow? 0:01:39.041 --> 0:01:42.401 Yeah, March of twenty twenty, right in the guts of COVID. 0:01:42.761 --> 0:01:45.241 Gosh, time flies, doesn't it. 0:01:45.241 --> 0:01:47.801 And then we came back four or six weeks later 0:01:47.881 --> 0:01:50.441 and we did a one off now and so I 0:01:50.481 --> 0:01:52.201 was back in the chair for thirty minutes I think 0:01:52.201 --> 0:01:53.321 it was, and that was it all. 0:01:53.361 --> 0:01:54.641 She wrote, Yeah, there we go. 0:01:55.841 --> 0:01:58.241 So you as people know you're you're a health than 0:01:58.281 --> 0:02:01.201 wellbeing coach Kent John'shealth dot co dot nz. But you 0:02:02.001 --> 0:02:04.361 you've got another gig you've mentioned just before we went on. 0:02:04.481 --> 0:02:06.281 I just wanted to about the new gig, the new 0:02:06.321 --> 0:02:08.001 job that I've picked up. So I'm working for a 0:02:08.041 --> 0:02:12.121 health clinic and new market called Autonomy and it's quite 0:02:12.161 --> 0:02:14.881 a good name, Tim, given that we want you to 0:02:14.961 --> 0:02:16.721 be autonomous. 0:02:16.041 --> 0:02:16.841 With your own health. 0:02:17.281 --> 0:02:19.161 So the thing, I've said this to you before, and 0:02:19.241 --> 0:02:21.601 this is my view. The power of health is not 0:02:21.841 --> 0:02:24.961 in medication. It's not in what the GP says, it's 0:02:25.001 --> 0:02:27.481 not in what the specialists might tell you. The power 0:02:27.521 --> 0:02:29.601 is in your own hands. We don't have to get 0:02:29.641 --> 0:02:31.761 as sick as we are, and most of the chronic 0:02:31.761 --> 0:02:34.001 health diseases that we might even mention some of them 0:02:34.001 --> 0:02:38.041 today largely a largely avoidable. 0:02:38.121 --> 0:02:39.921 Yeah, the old radio gag still got it. 0:02:41.081 --> 0:02:45.321 Largely avoidable, preventable, and in some cases reversible. So I've 0:02:45.321 --> 0:02:47.761 started a new job there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Would love 0:02:47.801 --> 0:02:49.561 to hear from people. If you want to come in 0:02:49.601 --> 0:02:51.641 and have a consultation, coming and have a chat, talk 0:02:51.641 --> 0:02:52.321 about how you're doing. 0:02:52.321 --> 0:02:53.081 I love to hear from you. 0:02:53.601 --> 0:02:55.321 So people that go to go to see you at 0:02:55.321 --> 0:02:56.881 this place, what are they looking for? 0:02:57.681 --> 0:03:00.521 There are three types of people who will come into 0:03:00.561 --> 0:03:04.121 the clinic. There are the optimizers, the real the fitness 0:03:04.441 --> 0:03:09.601 guys and women who are wanting an edge. There are 0:03:09.921 --> 0:03:13.321 then people who are not feeling particularly good, something's gone wrong, 0:03:13.881 --> 0:03:15.881 the middle aged men a lot of the time in 0:03:15.921 --> 0:03:19.121 their forties early fifties, starting to feel a worried about 0:03:19.161 --> 0:03:22.361 their worried about their energy levels, a lot of inflammation. 0:03:22.561 --> 0:03:24.401 The GP may have said, hey, look you need to 0:03:24.401 --> 0:03:27.721 sort yourself out. And then the third group of people 0:03:27.961 --> 0:03:30.841 are the people who are sick, who have chronic disease 0:03:30.961 --> 0:03:34.921 like type two diabetes or obesity or cardiovascular disease, and 0:03:34.961 --> 0:03:38.481 they need an intervention. So we're working with any anyone 0:03:38.521 --> 0:03:42.081 who wants to be healthy you, which is a huge 0:03:42.081 --> 0:03:44.361 percentage of the population by the way. So that's what 0:03:44.361 --> 0:03:46.921 we're doing. It's hard to get to work with a team. 0:03:47.201 --> 0:03:50.281 And we've got some wonderful people, some people like minded, 0:03:50.321 --> 0:03:53.521 same as me, passionate, enthusiastic, it's neat excellent. 0:03:53.561 --> 0:03:54.801 Well, they don't keep you out of mischief. 0:03:54.841 --> 0:03:56.401 Now, what we want to talk about, which sort of 0:03:56.401 --> 0:03:58.601 ties into that, it is that time of the year. 0:03:58.641 --> 0:04:00.921 You just feel like creeping up the end of the year, 0:04:01.041 --> 0:04:04.081 and a lot of people will say they get into 0:04:04.161 --> 0:04:04.881 be a burnout. 0:04:05.121 --> 0:04:07.161 People feel over committed. There's so many things. 0:04:07.161 --> 0:04:10.001 I mean, you've got schools wrapping up, and exams and 0:04:10.081 --> 0:04:13.521 kids and Christmas shopping and planning the holiday and all 0:04:13.561 --> 0:04:17.001 that sort of thing. And actually, we want your calls 0:04:17.041 --> 0:04:19.521 on this. Do you get burnt out at the end 0:04:19.561 --> 0:04:21.001 of the year, And if you don't, how do you 0:04:21.041 --> 0:04:24.241 avoid it? And let's not catastrophize everything. But you know, 0:04:24.641 --> 0:04:27.281 there are a lot of people sometimes it's some career 0:04:27.361 --> 0:04:29.321 dependent as well, where there's certain careers where you just 0:04:29.321 --> 0:04:30.601 feel absolutely bugger at the. 0:04:30.641 --> 0:04:34.121 End of the year. Are you do you get burnout? 0:04:36.321 --> 0:04:37.921 I learned from this a few years ago. I haven't 0:04:37.961 --> 0:04:41.041 allowed myself to go down that path again. But for me, 0:04:41.161 --> 0:04:43.681 when I was doing radio breakfast Radio here tim the 0:04:43.721 --> 0:04:45.521 worst month of the year for me, the hardest month 0:04:45.601 --> 0:04:49.561 mentally was November. I would always struggle in November because 0:04:49.561 --> 0:04:52.881 I'd come back from labor weekend. And I now call 0:04:52.921 --> 0:04:55.721 this the sprint finish. Everyone's sprinting for home. Now we 0:04:55.881 --> 0:04:58.761 can smell the holidays, we can see the finish line, 0:04:58.841 --> 0:05:02.841 and we then overload on work, we overload on social 0:05:02.841 --> 0:05:06.521 commitments at exactly the time, and we're probably struggling on 0:05:07.881 --> 0:05:10.681 low fuel from what has been a busy off and 0:05:10.761 --> 0:05:14.081 turbulent year. And so I remember just running into a 0:05:14.161 --> 0:05:17.241 wall in November thinking, my god, I've still got seven 0:05:17.281 --> 0:05:19.681 eight weeks to go. I'm so bloody close, and I've 0:05:19.681 --> 0:05:21.681 still got seven or eight weeks to go. So one 0:05:21.761 --> 0:05:24.081 year I actually had some leve up my sleeve and 0:05:24.121 --> 0:05:26.881 decided to take four or five days in November. That 0:05:27.081 --> 0:05:29.281 was a game changer, really, So it's actually not a 0:05:29.321 --> 0:05:31.761 bad tool if you've got extra leave and you can 0:05:31.921 --> 0:05:34.881 if you can, and you can, you can use one, two, 0:05:34.961 --> 0:05:38.081 three extra days across this month, are you able to 0:05:38.121 --> 0:05:38.401 do that? 0:05:38.561 --> 0:05:39.921 Just to slow things down a little bit. 0:05:40.041 --> 0:05:41.561 Actually, I it's. 0:05:41.561 --> 0:05:43.801 Also wonder does this I mean, I'm not sure what 0:05:43.841 --> 0:05:47.601 my social calendar is like over Christmas. It's not hugely busy. 0:05:47.681 --> 0:05:50.161 Don't could particularly get invited too many places these days. 0:05:50.161 --> 0:05:55.561 But look, but it's going to too many Christmas parties 0:05:55.641 --> 0:05:57.641 and all that as part of the burnout. 0:05:57.921 --> 0:06:00.761 I don't know, just accepting every invitation you get to 0:06:00.921 --> 0:06:02.641 catch up. We've got to go around such and such 0:06:02.641 --> 0:06:04.441 as even Christmas drengths, and then next such and such 0:06:04.481 --> 0:06:07.321 we've gotta do this. Is it the partying that wears out? 0:06:07.441 --> 0:06:10.641 I think it contributes. But if you say yes to everything, 0:06:10.881 --> 0:06:12.801 it's great for the first week or two, and then 0:06:12.841 --> 0:06:15.401 by week three, week four, heading into Christmas, you're like, oh, 0:06:15.481 --> 0:06:18.721 another party. It'll be more alcohol, more sugar, more bad food, 0:06:19.041 --> 0:06:21.361 more late nights, whatever it might be. But I think 0:06:21.441 --> 0:06:27.601 also tim around people. We've got this intriguing set up 0:06:27.601 --> 0:06:29.761 here in New Zealand and also elsewhere in the Southern 0:06:29.801 --> 0:06:35.041 Hemisphere where our holidays align perfectly with the end. 0:06:34.961 --> 0:06:35.441 Of the year. 0:06:35.961 --> 0:06:37.641 Well that seems logical, doesn't it. 0:06:38.361 --> 0:06:41.041 But then we get six weeks off for the school holidays, 0:06:41.321 --> 0:06:44.001 whereas in the Northern and the likes kids. 0:06:43.761 --> 0:06:44.361 Get six weeks. 0:06:44.401 --> 0:06:45.761 Yeah, like kids get six weeks. 0:06:45.841 --> 0:06:49.361 But elsewhere America, UK, Europe, it's not quite that. I 0:06:49.361 --> 0:06:52.241 think they've got a better balance, whereas in Australasia we've 0:06:52.281 --> 0:06:54.081 just got this mad sprint to the finish and then 0:06:54.201 --> 0:06:58.241 I think people collapse into their break, which is not 0:06:58.321 --> 0:07:00.521 a great thing. And so I've done that, I've been there, 0:07:00.521 --> 0:07:04.401 I've done it multiple times. I really manage my time 0:07:04.481 --> 0:07:07.521 now after labor weekend to ensure that I don't get 0:07:07.561 --> 0:07:08.401 sick like I used to. 0:07:08.521 --> 0:07:11.601 I think there's a simple explanation for them other countries 0:07:11.601 --> 0:07:13.121 having the holidays at a different time. It's in the 0:07:13.121 --> 0:07:15.521 northern Hemisphere they do the summertime, I guess, don't they 0:07:15.601 --> 0:07:17.921 Otherwise they'd be taking six weeks in winter and no 0:07:17.961 --> 0:07:19.681 one really wants to do that unless you're a keen 0:07:19.721 --> 0:07:20.281 scaler like me. 0:07:20.441 --> 0:07:21.281 Yes, which I would love. 0:07:21.361 --> 0:07:23.161 But they I don't know if they have them. I 0:07:23.161 --> 0:07:25.201 don't think they have that mindset of hey, I'm going 0:07:25.281 --> 0:07:27.081 to sprint as hard as I can and then collapse 0:07:27.121 --> 0:07:29.361 into a holiday, which is what you see here. So 0:07:30.001 --> 0:07:32.841 we've talked about burnout on this program before. Burnout rates 0:07:32.841 --> 0:07:36.481 in New Zealand proper burnout from work number one, but 0:07:36.561 --> 0:07:39.001 also home life has never been high? 0:07:39.561 --> 0:07:41.961 Right now, what is burnout? 0:07:41.961 --> 0:07:45.721 Because it's a very emotive phrase, it is, so I mean, yeah, 0:07:46.401 --> 0:07:47.241 what has burnout? 0:07:47.441 --> 0:07:47.601 Well? 0:07:47.641 --> 0:07:51.921 World Health Organization classified burnout only five years ago, which 0:07:52.041 --> 0:07:54.201 so it's good we've actually got some information now. They've 0:07:54.241 --> 0:07:59.521 classified it essentially as chronic workplace stress that goes unchecked. 0:08:00.361 --> 0:08:03.801 So it's chronic stress over time that then is not 0:08:04.201 --> 0:08:07.441 sorted out, not dealt with, so things get worse and 0:08:07.481 --> 0:08:10.561 it shows up in a lot of tiredness, fatigue, emotion, 0:08:11.441 --> 0:08:15.161 maybe lashing out, frustration, doing things that you ordinarily wouldn't do, 0:08:15.481 --> 0:08:18.281 a lot of maybe a few tears. You're prone to 0:08:18.361 --> 0:08:21.561 crying a little bit, You're prone to outbursts. You're prone 0:08:21.601 --> 0:08:25.561 to disliking your colleagues more, you don't feel as productive 0:08:25.601 --> 0:08:28.321 at work. That can be very real, or it can 0:08:28.361 --> 0:08:31.161 be perceived. Your colleagues may not even know that. And 0:08:31.201 --> 0:08:36.281 it also aligns with disharmony, lack of engagement, looking around 0:08:36.281 --> 0:08:38.761 for work, looking for another job, not being committed to 0:08:38.801 --> 0:08:42.041 the tasks that you're doing, things that you used to 0:08:42.121 --> 0:08:44.281 taking your stride now bug the heck out of you 0:08:44.441 --> 0:08:45.881 little things start to get on your work. 0:08:46.081 --> 0:08:46.801 That's burnout. 0:08:46.961 --> 0:08:48.881 And what we now know too is, of course the 0:08:48.921 --> 0:08:51.721 financial pressure that people are facing at home to they're 0:08:51.761 --> 0:08:53.801 now then bringing that to work. So you've got people 0:08:53.841 --> 0:08:56.841 turning up to work who are highly stressed, highly worried, 0:08:56.881 --> 0:09:00.161 highly anxious about interest rates, about food prices, and now 0:09:00.241 --> 0:09:03.161 that's projecting into their demeanor in the office. So there's 0:09:03.161 --> 0:09:05.161 a lot to think about there, and it gets why 0:09:05.361 --> 0:09:07.601 is the year goes on because we're running on fumes 0:09:07.641 --> 0:09:08.321 by November. 0:09:08.961 --> 0:09:10.641 I was actually just reflecting on that when you were 0:09:10.641 --> 0:09:12.321 talking about what it is, and I think the sign 0:09:12.361 --> 0:09:14.241 for me when I'm getting a bit and oh, look 0:09:14.281 --> 0:09:16.721 I do. I do strange hours, so sometimes I get 0:09:16.721 --> 0:09:19.561 a bit jaded with the overnights too. It's just a 0:09:19.561 --> 0:09:21.441 couple of nights a week, but it's a weird. It's 0:09:21.481 --> 0:09:23.121 not enough to do it regularly that you get used 0:09:23.121 --> 0:09:26.601 to it. So but I've reckoned worked out For me, 0:09:26.721 --> 0:09:29.561 it's when I've started to develop less patience with the 0:09:29.641 --> 0:09:31.681 kids and I might snap at them in a way 0:09:31.681 --> 0:09:33.121 that might make me think I've got to go and 0:09:33.161 --> 0:09:34.641 apologize once I've calmed down. 0:09:34.761 --> 0:09:35.641 That's my sign. 0:09:36.041 --> 0:09:37.641 But The way I actually do cope with it is 0:09:37.681 --> 0:09:40.721 I just tell myself that I've I think to me, 0:09:40.801 --> 0:09:43.681 it's I just forced myself to drop that to do 0:09:43.801 --> 0:09:45.961 list of things when I really should be looking after 0:09:45.961 --> 0:09:47.521 them after school, and I think, which is. 0:09:47.521 --> 0:09:48.961 Hard to do. If you've got a lot on your plate. 0:09:49.201 --> 0:09:51.841 Sometimes you've just got that's I think that's the hardest 0:09:51.841 --> 0:09:53.041 thing for me, and it might be for a lot 0:09:53.081 --> 0:09:55.041 of other people. If you've got kids and you've got 0:09:55.121 --> 0:10:00.161 work pressures that you managed to separate the two and 0:10:00.161 --> 0:10:01.321 as soon as you overlap them. 0:10:01.361 --> 0:10:04.241 That's a real source of stress for me. And we 0:10:04.281 --> 0:10:07.321 saw that, didn't we in the lockdowns? Great example of 0:10:07.601 --> 0:10:10.721 how multitasking is so bloody hard and we try and 0:10:10.761 --> 0:10:13.281 do it. I find myself cognizant of this too and 0:10:13.361 --> 0:10:16.121 aware of it. Hey, you've got your kids. They're wanting 0:10:16.161 --> 0:10:18.241 your time, They're wanting your attention. But there's emails that 0:10:18.281 --> 0:10:19.881 I've got to get to and I wanted to read 0:10:19.921 --> 0:10:22.561 that article. I've got to make that phone call. What 0:10:22.601 --> 0:10:26.601 you end up doing is both things averagely. Averagely, I'm 0:10:26.601 --> 0:10:28.921 not as good at my job over here, and I'm 0:10:28.921 --> 0:10:31.601 a poorer parent for not putting my time into my kids. 0:10:31.841 --> 0:10:34.241 But what happens to stress levels when we try and multitask, 0:10:34.361 --> 0:10:35.121 they just go up? 0:10:35.681 --> 0:10:37.881 Yeah, So I want to hear from you I eight 0:10:37.961 --> 0:10:40.521 hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you one of these people 0:10:40.521 --> 0:10:43.081 who have experienced or you get burnout towards the end 0:10:43.081 --> 0:10:44.201 of the and what are you doing about it? 0:10:44.761 --> 0:10:45.841 What have you done about it? 0:10:45.921 --> 0:10:47.841 Or if you're looking for some sort of insight on 0:10:47.881 --> 0:10:50.961 how to avoid it, we'd luck to hear from you 0:10:51.001 --> 0:10:53.281 on I eight hundred eighty ten and eighty text nine 0:10:53.321 --> 0:10:53.961 two nine two. 0:10:54.161 --> 0:10:55.881 Actually, and the other simple question. 0:10:55.761 --> 0:10:57.761 Is is there such a thing as having too much 0:10:57.801 --> 0:10:59.681 fun towards the end of the year with this do 0:10:59.841 --> 0:11:01.441 and that do? And we've got to wrap up here 0:11:01.441 --> 0:11:03.921 and then before you know it, you've been getting boozed 0:11:03.961 --> 0:11:05.881 a little bit more time than you a little bit 0:11:05.921 --> 0:11:09.321 more frequently than you should. What's the secret to avoiding 0:11:09.521 --> 0:11:12.121 the end of year burnout and over commitment? Give us 0:11:12.161 --> 0:11:17.361 a call eight eight text. Guest is Kent John's from 0:11:17.441 --> 0:11:20.441 Kent John'shealth dot co dot n Z. We want your calls, 0:11:20.961 --> 0:11:45.321 get on to it. Back in the May News talk 0:11:45.361 --> 0:11:46.881 said B this is the health hap. My guest is 0:11:46.961 --> 0:11:50.361 Kent John's from Kent John's Health. How do you manage 0:11:50.361 --> 0:11:52.081 yourself towards the end of the year so you don't 0:11:52.081 --> 0:11:55.481 get the old burnout that everyone talks about. I do wonder, 0:11:55.641 --> 0:12:00.521 Kent if part of it's I mean, I don't know 0:12:00.521 --> 0:12:02.881 if this is the right thing to do. But sometimes 0:12:02.881 --> 0:12:06.041 I think I don't mean denial, but also not buying 0:12:06.081 --> 0:12:08.561 into the sort of dramatic rhetoric of like you know 0:12:08.601 --> 0:12:12.281 that everyone's going to experience burnout, almost just refusing to 0:12:12.281 --> 0:12:13.121 accept It's like, I'm. 0:12:13.041 --> 0:12:15.001 Not burned out. I'm fine, It's just another month, It's 0:12:15.041 --> 0:12:15.721 just another day. 0:12:17.201 --> 0:12:20.081 If you've got good self awareness and you're good with 0:12:20.121 --> 0:12:23.121 your and you know how your emotions are going and 0:12:22.721 --> 0:12:25.681 your value self care, sure you can. 0:12:25.601 --> 0:12:27.401 Manage your way through it and you'll be fine. 0:12:27.641 --> 0:12:30.681 That's sort of I'd probably like to think that's what 0:12:30.721 --> 0:12:33.721 I do now. Things might change this year, having taken 0:12:33.761 --> 0:12:36.561 on some more work and juggling a little bit more 0:12:36.601 --> 0:12:39.521 around the kid situation, I might collapse into Christmas. My god, 0:12:39.561 --> 0:12:41.161 I hope I don't, and I'll be working hard to 0:12:41.161 --> 0:12:43.121 make sure that I don't. But I think if you've 0:12:43.121 --> 0:12:45.161 got really good self awareness, to mean you've got measures 0:12:45.161 --> 0:12:47.201 in place. This is a great time of the year. 0:12:47.681 --> 0:12:49.881 It's a great time, but I also know that people 0:12:49.961 --> 0:12:52.121 there are people out there who are struggling like buggery 0:12:52.241 --> 0:12:54.881 right now because there's the sprint finish to the end. 0:12:55.081 --> 0:12:58.641 We're done with public holidays, and our expectations on ourselves 0:12:58.721 --> 0:13:00.841 and each other ramp up all of a sudden. There's 0:13:00.881 --> 0:13:04.961 Christmas stuff out there, there's Christmas jingles, there's thoughts of 0:13:05.081 --> 0:13:06.921 about going to the mall, and we've got to come 0:13:07.001 --> 0:13:07.681 up with lists. 0:13:08.041 --> 0:13:09.121 We think about all of the things. 0:13:09.161 --> 0:13:11.681 I've got to get this done by Christmas, But do 0:13:11.761 --> 0:13:13.601 you actually have to actually. 0:13:13.321 --> 0:13:15.601 You know what the other things. I used to be 0:13:15.641 --> 0:13:20.081 a bit grinchy on Christmas and I don't know. Yeah, no, seriously, 0:13:20.441 --> 0:13:23.281 I was quite grinchy and I can't work out why. 0:13:24.241 --> 0:13:26.921 But actually I think that sometimes it's just that whole 0:13:26.961 --> 0:13:29.001 I don't know what Christmas has. Christmas can bring a 0:13:29.041 --> 0:13:30.641 whole lot of things to the fore, and you know 0:13:30.721 --> 0:13:35.241 it's not everyone's Christmas is as a reminder of great things. 0:13:35.281 --> 0:13:37.161 Often you can be your first Christmas where you're missing, 0:13:37.161 --> 0:13:39.521 a family member's passed away, all sorts of things, or 0:13:39.561 --> 0:13:43.041 you've been through some turmoil but I made a decision, 0:13:43.321 --> 0:13:45.961 and it was probably when I had kids that just 0:13:46.001 --> 0:13:49.161 to embrace Christmas and just go look, actually, let's not 0:13:49.561 --> 0:13:51.561 because there are still parts that I go, you know, 0:13:51.841 --> 0:13:54.721 such and such, just the busyness of the time. But 0:13:54.801 --> 0:13:57.401 I think there's also a choice there is to just 0:13:57.481 --> 0:13:59.201 your attitude about it it or is that too? Is 0:13:59.241 --> 0:14:01.881 it easier said than done. Just love Christmas, turn on 0:14:01.921 --> 0:14:04.561 the Christmas songs, get out the Mariah carry you know, 0:14:04.721 --> 0:14:07.281 crack it. I had to look and by the way, 0:14:07.321 --> 0:14:10.041 as I say that, I had to ask my producer 0:14:10.081 --> 0:14:11.961 to tie home because she wants to start playing Christmas 0:14:12.041 --> 0:14:12.561 music now. 0:14:12.721 --> 0:14:14.521 So she's right into it. So I'm like, no, no, no, no, 0:14:14.561 --> 0:14:17.521 it's not December yet, not December, but you know, changed 0:14:17.561 --> 0:14:19.761 the attitude around Christmas? Something anything on that. 0:14:19.681 --> 0:14:22.201 Big difference between November the thirtieth listening to a Christmas 0:14:22.201 --> 0:14:23.241 song and December the firs. 0:14:23.721 --> 0:14:26.521 I reckon, yeah, yeah, she got very excited. On the 0:14:26.521 --> 0:14:28.441 first of November she played Christmas song. I was like, 0:14:28.481 --> 0:14:29.321 what the hell are you doing? 0:14:30.041 --> 0:14:32.401 I mean, it is we can wind ourselves up with 0:14:32.481 --> 0:14:36.001 the frustration of the over commercialization of everything, and hey, 0:14:36.041 --> 0:14:38.441 it's the first week of November and already the ads 0:14:38.441 --> 0:14:41.041 are out and you go around and Christmas stock you 0:14:41.041 --> 0:14:43.481 you could allow yourself to get beaten up by it, 0:14:43.481 --> 0:14:43.961 couldn't you. 0:14:44.401 --> 0:14:45.361 I think that's what it was. 0:14:45.401 --> 0:14:47.241 I think I was just like, oh, for God's sake, 0:14:47.321 --> 0:14:50.761 looks it's nowhere near Christmas yet, and you're starting to 0:14:50.841 --> 0:14:52.521 ram it down our throats and you hear the same 0:14:52.561 --> 0:14:55.921 ad again. It's like, but then just change it and think. 0:14:56.601 --> 0:14:58.161 I don't know, it's easier said than done. 0:14:58.201 --> 0:14:58.361 Is it? 0:14:58.721 --> 0:15:01.201 Did your attitude to twist Christmas change when you had kids? 0:15:02.601 --> 0:15:03.721 I've always loved Christmas? 0:15:04.121 --> 0:15:04.801 Why I am? 0:15:05.161 --> 0:15:08.481 I am aware though we probably started early with the 0:15:08.521 --> 0:15:10.721 on ramp to Christmas is extended, hasn't it the last 0:15:10.761 --> 0:15:12.041 few years around shopping? 0:15:12.281 --> 0:15:14.601 And I have to be fair that my wife does 0:15:14.681 --> 0:15:18.201 look after the Christmas shopping. She enjoys it, and so 0:15:18.561 --> 0:15:22.121 she has taken that off my you know, the bulk 0:15:22.161 --> 0:15:23.841 of the Christmas shoping. In fact, it's almost got to 0:15:23.841 --> 0:15:25.801 a disgraceful stage where I sort of have to say, 0:15:25.801 --> 0:15:26.441 what have we given? 0:15:26.481 --> 0:15:29.601 The what's centa? Anyway? Well, let's not talk about that, 0:15:30.121 --> 0:15:32.921 the no go area on radio? What about this? I've 0:15:32.921 --> 0:15:34.041 got a text here how can you. 0:15:33.961 --> 0:15:35.641 Deal with the end of year burnout when you're one 0:15:35.641 --> 0:15:37.881 of the staff who has to work through the holidays. 0:15:38.081 --> 0:15:41.561 Should I plan a holiday for January? In other words, 0:15:41.641 --> 0:15:44.281 not work through January? I'm guessing I don't know what 0:15:44.761 --> 0:15:46.041 If you're working right through we. 0:15:46.041 --> 0:15:46.961 Are you working through? 0:15:47.361 --> 0:15:47.601 Yeah? 0:15:47.721 --> 0:15:48.561 I used to work through. 0:15:49.361 --> 0:15:51.521 Actually i'm doing I'm doing the Breakfast show for four weeks, 0:15:51.521 --> 0:15:52.241 so I'm actually. 0:15:52.041 --> 0:15:53.721 Quite so what's your plan around leave. 0:15:54.681 --> 0:15:56.001 I'll take some time off after that. 0:15:56.361 --> 0:15:59.081 I usually usually do, but last year we had we 0:15:59.121 --> 0:16:00.801 did take the whole of summer off pretty much. 0:16:00.881 --> 0:16:02.041 And what I would work. 0:16:01.921 --> 0:16:04.601 Through I would work through the Christmas period and the 0:16:04.641 --> 0:16:06.921 New Year period year after year after year after year, 0:16:07.281 --> 0:16:09.441 and then have a holiday mid to late jam And 0:16:09.521 --> 0:16:13.281 I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I'm sure 0:16:13.321 --> 0:16:14.641 it'll be the same for you, Tim. I bet you 0:16:14.761 --> 0:16:18.121 over that Christmas period when you're in here broadcasting, it'll 0:16:18.161 --> 0:16:20.401 just feel like things have just been tamped down a 0:16:20.401 --> 0:16:23.121 little bit. There won't be as many people in the office. 0:16:23.161 --> 0:16:24.561 It's easy to get a car park. 0:16:24.761 --> 0:16:25.601 It's the commute. 0:16:25.721 --> 0:16:28.241 The commute's not as the commute's not as big things 0:16:28.281 --> 0:16:30.041 think people are a bit brighter, a bit breezy. 0:16:30.081 --> 0:16:30.801 The weather is better. 0:16:31.281 --> 0:16:34.241 It's the work is not as tough as it can 0:16:34.281 --> 0:16:35.041 be during the year. 0:16:35.601 --> 0:16:39.001 Actually, yeah, you generally, But I have to say we're 0:16:39.001 --> 0:16:39.761 getting off the topic. 0:16:39.761 --> 0:16:41.721 But hosting breakfast is going to be pumping. 0:16:41.481 --> 0:16:44.761 Baby, It's going to be full on and I'm quite 0:16:44.761 --> 0:16:47.081 looking forward to so actually for me, it's kind of 0:16:47.121 --> 0:16:49.121 an exciting time, but I'll also be dreading that. 0:16:49.521 --> 0:16:51.041 But if you're working through. 0:16:51.481 --> 0:16:53.921 If you're working through, then clearly your leave is going 0:16:53.961 --> 0:16:56.481 to be used at another time. But maybe that that 0:16:56.521 --> 0:16:59.601 would be at this point. Whew, Okay, it's second week 0:16:59.601 --> 0:17:02.801 of November. I've still got November, December and ulla jaan. Yeah, 0:17:02.921 --> 0:17:05.401 just being aware of being conscious of when it might 0:17:05.401 --> 0:17:06.881 be that you get a chance to take a break 0:17:06.881 --> 0:17:09.121 and what what can you control between now and need 0:17:09.161 --> 0:17:11.321 to look after yourself because we know that self Kiy 0:17:11.321 --> 0:17:13.041 is a big one in this part of this conversation. 0:17:13.441 --> 0:17:15.241 The Texas is the second for me is I have 0:17:15.281 --> 0:17:18.281 this thing called an incredibly laid back and relax personality 0:17:18.281 --> 0:17:20.201 that doesn't allow me to work too hard and I'm 0:17:20.201 --> 0:17:27.481 single with no kids. Boom, Well, possibly there is less stress. 0:17:25.801 --> 0:17:28.921 I know how much kids add to it and tell 0:17:28.961 --> 0:17:29.961 you what. Let's take some calls. 0:17:30.001 --> 0:17:33.481 Grant good, I yeah, Hello. 0:17:34.281 --> 0:17:35.041 What's your name now? 0:17:35.201 --> 0:17:35.441 Tim? 0:17:35.641 --> 0:17:36.161 That's right? 0:17:37.841 --> 0:17:38.041 Hello? 0:17:38.441 --> 0:17:43.201 Hello, Keno nice, just being smarty, a smart fart because 0:17:43.241 --> 0:17:44.121