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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty in text on nine two nine two,
Speaker 2: And my guest this hour is well, he's well known
Speaker 2: to the show. In fact, it's quite well known to
Speaker 2: z B, having spent a bit of time in the
Speaker 2: airwaves going.
Speaker 3: Back quite a while now. But as Kent John's good,
Speaker 3: I ken, yeah, we'll be a few years now.
Speaker 2: How long is it since you were a sports sort of.
Speaker 4: Since I was flicked, Since since I was wasn't since
Speaker 4: this company just urfed me and my colleagues. They just
Speaker 4: so flagrantly four and a half years.
Speaker 5: Can you believe that?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: Yeah, March of twenty twenty, right in the guts of COVID.
Speaker 3: Gosh, time flies, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: And then we came back four or six weeks later
Speaker 4: and we did a one off now and so I
Speaker 4: was back in the chair for thirty minutes I think
Speaker 4: it was, and that was it all.
Speaker 3: She wrote, Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2: So you as people know you're you're a health than
Speaker 2: wellbeing coach Kent John'shealth dot co dot nz. But you
Speaker 2: you've got another gig you've mentioned just before we went on.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to about the new gig, the new
Speaker 4: job that I've picked up. So I'm working for a
Speaker 4: health clinic and new market called Autonomy and it's quite
Speaker 4: a good name, Tim, given that we want you to
Speaker 4: be autonomous.
Speaker 5: With your own health.
Speaker 4: So the thing, I've said this to you before, and
Speaker 4: this is my view. The power of health is not
Speaker 4: in medication. It's not in what the GP says, it's
Speaker 4: not in what the specialists might tell you. The power
Speaker 4: is in your own hands. We don't have to get
Speaker 4: as sick as we are, and most of the chronic
Speaker 4: health diseases that we might even mention some of them
Speaker 4: today largely a largely avoidable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the old radio gag still got it.
Speaker 4: Largely avoidable, preventable, and in some cases reversible. So I've
Speaker 4: started a new job there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Would love
Speaker 4: to hear from people. If you want to come in
Speaker 4: and have a consultation, coming and have a chat, talk
Speaker 4: about how you're doing.
Speaker 5: I love to hear from you.
Speaker 3: So people that go to go to see you at
Speaker 3: this place, what are they looking for?
Speaker 4: There are three types of people who will come into
Speaker 4: the clinic. There are the optimizers, the real the fitness
Speaker 4: guys and women who are wanting an edge. There are
Speaker 4: then people who are not feeling particularly good, something's gone wrong,
Speaker 4: the middle aged men a lot of the time in
Speaker 4: their forties early fifties, starting to feel a worried about
Speaker 4: their worried about their energy levels, a lot of inflammation.
Speaker 4: The GP may have said, hey, look you need to
Speaker 4: sort yourself out. And then the third group of people
Speaker 4: are the people who are sick, who have chronic disease
Speaker 4: like type two diabetes or obesity or cardiovascular disease, and
Speaker 4: they need an intervention. So we're working with any anyone
Speaker 4: who wants to be healthy you, which is a huge
Speaker 4: percentage of the population by the way. So that's what
Speaker 4: we're doing. It's hard to get to work with a team.
Speaker 4: And we've got some wonderful people, some people like minded,
Speaker 4: same as me, passionate, enthusiastic, it's neat excellent.
Speaker 3: Well, they don't keep you out of mischief.
Speaker 2: Now, what we want to talk about, which sort of
Speaker 2: ties into that, it is that time of the year.
Speaker 2: You just feel like creeping up the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people will say they get into
Speaker 2: be a burnout.
Speaker 3: People feel over committed. There's so many things.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got schools wrapping up, and exams and
Speaker 2: kids and Christmas shopping and planning the holiday and all
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And actually, we want your calls
Speaker 2: on this. Do you get burnt out at the end
Speaker 2: of the year, And if you don't, how do you
Speaker 2: avoid it? And let's not catastrophize everything. But you know,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people sometimes it's some career
Speaker 2: dependent as well, where there's certain careers where you just
Speaker 2: feel absolutely bugger at the.
Speaker 3: End of the year. Are you do you get burnout?
Speaker 4: I learned from this a few years ago. I haven't
Speaker 4: allowed myself to go down that path again. But for me,
Speaker 4: when I was doing radio breakfast Radio here tim the
Speaker 4: worst month of the year for me, the hardest month
Speaker 4: mentally was November. I would always struggle in November because
Speaker 4: I'd come back from labor weekend. And I now call
Speaker 4: this the sprint finish. Everyone's sprinting for home. Now we
Speaker 4: can smell the holidays, we can see the finish line,
Speaker 4: and we then overload on work, we overload on social
Speaker 4: commitments at exactly the time, and we're probably struggling on
Speaker 4: low fuel from what has been a busy off and
Speaker 4: turbulent year. And so I remember just running into a
Speaker 4: wall in November thinking, my god, I've still got seven
Speaker 4: eight weeks to go. I'm so bloody close, and I've
Speaker 4: still got seven or eight weeks to go. So one
Speaker 4: year I actually had some leve up my sleeve and
Speaker 4: decided to take four or five days in November. That
Speaker 4: was a game changer, really, So it's actually not a
Speaker 4: bad tool if you've got extra leave and you can
Speaker 4: if you can, and you can, you can use one, two,
Speaker 4: three extra days across this month, are you able to
Speaker 4: do that?
Speaker 5: Just to slow things down a little bit.
Speaker 3: Actually, I it's.
Speaker 2: Also wonder does this I mean, I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: my social calendar is like over Christmas. It's not hugely busy.
Speaker 2: Don't could particularly get invited too many places these days.
Speaker 2: But look, but it's going to too many Christmas parties
Speaker 2: and all that as part of the burnout.
Speaker 3: I don't know, just accepting every invitation you get to
Speaker 3: catch up. We've got to go around such and such
Speaker 3: as even Christmas drengths, and then next such and such
Speaker 3: we've gotta do this. Is it the partying that wears out?
Speaker 4: I think it contributes. But if you say yes to everything,
Speaker 4: it's great for the first week or two, and then
Speaker 4: by week three, week four, heading into Christmas, you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: another party. It'll be more alcohol, more sugar, more bad food,
Speaker 4: more late nights, whatever it might be. But I think
Speaker 4: also tim around people. We've got this intriguing set up
Speaker 4: here in New Zealand and also elsewhere in the Southern
Speaker 4: Hemisphere where our holidays align perfectly with the end.
Speaker 5: Of the year.
Speaker 3: Well that seems logical, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: But then we get six weeks off for the school holidays,
Speaker 4: whereas in the Northern and the likes kids.
Speaker 3: Get six weeks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like kids get six weeks.
Speaker 4: But elsewhere America, UK, Europe, it's not quite that. I
Speaker 4: think they've got a better balance, whereas in Australasia we've
Speaker 4: just got this mad sprint to the finish and then
Speaker 4: I think people collapse into their break, which is not
Speaker 4: a great thing. And so I've done that, I've been there,
Speaker 4: I've done it multiple times. I really manage my time
Speaker 4: now after labor weekend to ensure that I don't get
Speaker 4: sick like I used to.
Speaker 2: I think there's a simple explanation for them other countries
Speaker 2: having the holidays at a different time. It's in the
Speaker 2: northern Hemisphere they do the summertime, I guess, don't they
Speaker 2: Otherwise they'd be taking six weeks in winter and no
Speaker 2: one really wants to do that unless you're a keen
Speaker 2: scaler like me.
Speaker 3: Yes, which I would love.
Speaker 4: But they I don't know if they have them. I
Speaker 4: don't think they have that mindset of hey, I'm going
Speaker 4: to sprint as hard as I can and then collapse
Speaker 4: into a holiday, which is what you see here. So
Speaker 4: we've talked about burnout on this program before. Burnout rates
Speaker 4: in New Zealand proper burnout from work number one, but
Speaker 4: also home life has never been high?
Speaker 3: Right now, what is burnout?
Speaker 2: Because it's a very emotive phrase, it is, so I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: what has burnout?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: World Health Organization classified burnout only five years ago, which
Speaker 4: so it's good we've actually got some information now. They've
Speaker 4: classified it essentially as chronic workplace stress that goes unchecked.
Speaker 4: So it's chronic stress over time that then is not
Speaker 4: sorted out, not dealt with, so things get worse and
Speaker 4: it shows up in a lot of tiredness, fatigue, emotion,
Speaker 4: maybe lashing out, frustration, doing things that you ordinarily wouldn't do,
Speaker 4: a lot of maybe a few tears. You're prone to
Speaker 4: crying a little bit, You're prone to outbursts. You're prone
Speaker 4: to disliking your colleagues more, you don't feel as productive
Speaker 4: at work. That can be very real, or it can
Speaker 4: be perceived. Your colleagues may not even know that. And
Speaker 4: it also aligns with disharmony, lack of engagement, looking around
Speaker 4: for work, looking for another job, not being committed to
Speaker 4: the tasks that you're doing, things that you used to
Speaker 4: taking your stride now bug the heck out of you
Speaker 4: little things start to get on your work.
Speaker 5: That's burnout.
Speaker 4: And what we now know too is, of course the
Speaker 4: financial pressure that people are facing at home to they're
Speaker 4: now then bringing that to work. So you've got people
Speaker 4: turning up to work who are highly stressed, highly worried,
Speaker 4: highly anxious about interest rates, about food prices, and now
Speaker 4: that's projecting into their demeanor in the office. So there's
Speaker 4: a lot to think about there, and it gets why
Speaker 4: is the year goes on because we're running on fumes
Speaker 4: by November.
Speaker 2: I was actually just reflecting on that when you were
Speaker 2: talking about what it is, and I think the sign
Speaker 2: for me when I'm getting a bit and oh, look
Speaker 2: I do. I do strange hours, so sometimes I get
Speaker 2: a bit jaded with the overnights too. It's just a
Speaker 2: couple of nights a week, but it's a weird. It's
Speaker 2: not enough to do it regularly that you get used
Speaker 2: to it. So but I've reckoned worked out For me,
Speaker 2: it's when I've started to develop less patience with the
Speaker 2: kids and I might snap at them in a way
Speaker 2: that might make me think I've got to go and
Speaker 2: apologize once I've calmed down.
Speaker 3: That's my sign.
Speaker 2: But The way I actually do cope with it is
Speaker 2: I just tell myself that I've I think to me,
Speaker 2: it's I just forced myself to drop that to do
Speaker 2: list of things when I really should be looking after
Speaker 2: them after school, and I think, which is.
Speaker 3: Hard to do. If you've got a lot on your plate.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you've just got that's I think that's the hardest
Speaker 2: thing for me, and it might be for a lot
Speaker 2: of other people. If you've got kids and you've got
Speaker 2: work pressures that you managed to separate the two and
Speaker 2: as soon as you overlap them.
Speaker 4: That's a real source of stress for me. And we
Speaker 4: saw that, didn't we in the lockdowns? Great example of
Speaker 4: how multitasking is so bloody hard and we try and
Speaker 4: do it. I find myself cognizant of this too and
Speaker 4: aware of it. Hey, you've got your kids. They're wanting
Speaker 4: your time, They're wanting your attention. But there's emails that
Speaker 4: I've got to get to and I wanted to read
Speaker 4: that article. I've got to make that phone call. What
Speaker 4: you end up doing is both things averagely. Averagely, I'm
Speaker 4: not as good at my job over here, and I'm
Speaker 4: a poorer parent for not putting my time into my kids.
Speaker 4: But what happens to stress levels when we try and multitask,
Speaker 4: they just go up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I want to hear from you I eight
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty. Are you one of these people
Speaker 2: who have experienced or you get burnout towards the end
Speaker 2: of the and what are you doing about it?
Speaker 3: What have you done about it?
Speaker 2: Or if you're looking for some sort of insight on
Speaker 2: how to avoid it, we'd luck to hear from you
Speaker 2: on I eight hundred eighty ten and eighty text nine
Speaker 2: two nine two.
Speaker 3: Actually, and the other simple question.
Speaker 2: Is is there such a thing as having too much
Speaker 2: fun towards the end of the year with this do
Speaker 2: and that do? And we've got to wrap up here
Speaker 2: and then before you know it, you've been getting boozed
Speaker 2: a little bit more time than you a little bit
Speaker 2: more frequently than you should. What's the secret to avoiding
Speaker 2: the end of year burnout and over commitment? Give us
Speaker 2: a call eight eight text. Guest is Kent John's from
Speaker 2: Kent John'shealth dot co dot n Z. We want your calls,
Speaker 2: get on to it. Back in the May News talk
Speaker 2: said B this is the health hap. My guest is
Speaker 2: Kent John's from Kent John's Health. How do you manage
Speaker 2: yourself towards the end of the year so you don't
Speaker 2: get the old burnout that everyone talks about. I do wonder,
Speaker 2: Kent if part of it's I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is the right thing to do. But sometimes
Speaker 2: I think I don't mean denial, but also not buying
Speaker 2: into the sort of dramatic rhetoric of like you know
Speaker 2: that everyone's going to experience burnout, almost just refusing to
Speaker 2: accept It's like, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not burned out. I'm fine, It's just another month, It's
Speaker 3: just another day.
Speaker 4: If you've got good self awareness and you're good with
Speaker 4: your and you know how your emotions are going and
Speaker 4: your value self care, sure you can.
Speaker 5: Manage your way through it and you'll be fine.
Speaker 4: That's sort of I'd probably like to think that's what
Speaker 4: I do now. Things might change this year, having taken
Speaker 4: on some more work and juggling a little bit more
Speaker 4: around the kid situation, I might collapse into Christmas. My god,
Speaker 4: I hope I don't, and I'll be working hard to
Speaker 4: make sure that I don't. But I think if you've
Speaker 4: got really good self awareness, to mean you've got measures
Speaker 4: in place. This is a great time of the year.
Speaker 4: It's a great time, but I also know that people
Speaker 4: there are people out there who are struggling like buggery
Speaker 4: right now because there's the sprint finish to the end.
Speaker 4: We're done with public holidays, and our expectations on ourselves
Speaker 4: and each other ramp up all of a sudden. There's
Speaker 4: Christmas stuff out there, there's Christmas jingles, there's thoughts of
Speaker 4: about going to the mall, and we've got to come
Speaker 4: up with lists.
Speaker 5: We think about all of the things.
Speaker 4: I've got to get this done by Christmas, But do
Speaker 4: you actually have to actually.
Speaker 2: You know what the other things. I used to be
Speaker 2: a bit grinchy on Christmas and I don't know. Yeah, no, seriously,
Speaker 2: I was quite grinchy and I can't work out why.
Speaker 2: But actually I think that sometimes it's just that whole
Speaker 2: I don't know what Christmas has. Christmas can bring a
Speaker 2: whole lot of things to the fore, and you know
Speaker 2: it's not everyone's Christmas is as a reminder of great things.
Speaker 2: Often you can be your first Christmas where you're missing,
Speaker 2: a family member's passed away, all sorts of things, or
Speaker 2: you've been through some turmoil but I made a decision,
Speaker 2: and it was probably when I had kids that just
Speaker 2: to embrace Christmas and just go look, actually, let's not
Speaker 2: because there are still parts that I go, you know,
Speaker 2: such and such, just the busyness of the time. But
Speaker 2: I think there's also a choice there is to just
Speaker 2: your attitude about it it or is that too? Is
Speaker 2: it easier said than done. Just love Christmas, turn on
Speaker 2: the Christmas songs, get out the Mariah carry you know,
Speaker 2: crack it. I had to look and by the way,
Speaker 2: as I say that, I had to ask my producer
Speaker 2: to tie home because she wants to start playing Christmas
Speaker 2: music now.
Speaker 3: So she's right into it. So I'm like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's not December yet, not December, but you know, changed
Speaker 3: the attitude around Christmas? Something anything on that.
Speaker 4: Big difference between November the thirtieth listening to a Christmas
Speaker 4: song and December the firs.
Speaker 2: I reckon, yeah, yeah, she got very excited. On the
Speaker 2: first of November she played Christmas song. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 4: I mean, it is we can wind ourselves up with
Speaker 4: the frustration of the over commercialization of everything, and hey,
Speaker 4: it's the first week of November and already the ads
Speaker 4: are out and you go around and Christmas stock you
Speaker 4: you could allow yourself to get beaten up by it,
Speaker 4: couldn't you.
Speaker 3: I think that's what it was.
Speaker 2: I think I was just like, oh, for God's sake,
Speaker 2: looks it's nowhere near Christmas yet, and you're starting to
Speaker 2: ram it down our throats and you hear the same
Speaker 2: ad again. It's like, but then just change it and think.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's easier said than done.
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 3: Did your attitude to twist Christmas change when you had kids?
Speaker 3: I've always loved Christmas?
Speaker 5: Why I am?
Speaker 4: I am aware though we probably started early with the
Speaker 4: on ramp to Christmas is extended, hasn't it the last
Speaker 4: few years around shopping?
Speaker 2: And I have to be fair that my wife does
Speaker 2: look after the Christmas shopping. She enjoys it, and so
Speaker 2: she has taken that off my you know, the bulk
Speaker 2: of the Christmas shoping. In fact, it's almost got to
Speaker 2: a disgraceful stage where I sort of have to say,
Speaker 2: what have we given?
Speaker 3: The what's centa? Anyway? Well, let's not talk about that,
Speaker 3: the no go area on radio? What about this? I've
Speaker 3: got a text here how can you.
Speaker 2: Deal with the end of year burnout when you're one
Speaker 2: of the staff who has to work through the holidays.
Speaker 2: Should I plan a holiday for January? In other words,
Speaker 2: not work through January? I'm guessing I don't know what
Speaker 2: If you're working right through we.
Speaker 5: Are you working through?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I used to work through.
Speaker 3: Actually i'm doing I'm doing the Breakfast show for four weeks,
Speaker 3: so I'm actually.
Speaker 5: Quite so what's your plan around leave.
Speaker 3: I'll take some time off after that.
Speaker 2: I usually usually do, but last year we had we
Speaker 2: did take the whole of summer off pretty much.
Speaker 3: And what I would work.
Speaker 4: Through I would work through the Christmas period and the
Speaker 4: New Year period year after year after year after year,
Speaker 4: and then have a holiday mid to late jam And
Speaker 4: I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I'm sure
Speaker 4: it'll be the same for you, Tim. I bet you
Speaker 4: over that Christmas period when you're in here broadcasting, it'll
Speaker 4: just feel like things have just been tamped down a
Speaker 4: little bit. There won't be as many people in the office.
Speaker 4: It's easy to get a car park.
Speaker 5: It's the commute.
Speaker 4: The commute's not as the commute's not as big things
Speaker 4: think people are a bit brighter, a bit breezy.
Speaker 5: The weather is better.
Speaker 4: It's the work is not as tough as it can
Speaker 4: be during the year.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, you generally, But I have to say we're
Speaker 2: getting off the topic.
Speaker 3: But hosting breakfast is going to be pumping.
Speaker 2: Baby, It's going to be full on and I'm quite
Speaker 2: looking forward to so actually for me, it's kind of
Speaker 2: an exciting time, but I'll also be dreading that.
Speaker 5: But if you're working through.
Speaker 4: If you're working through, then clearly your leave is going
Speaker 4: to be used at another time. But maybe that that
Speaker 4: would be at this point. Whew, Okay, it's second week
Speaker 4: of November. I've still got November, December and ulla jaan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just being aware of being conscious of when it might
Speaker 4: be that you get a chance to take a break
Speaker 4: and what what can you control between now and need
Speaker 4: to look after yourself because we know that self Kiy
Speaker 4: is a big one in this part of this conversation.
Speaker 2: The Texas is the second for me is I have
Speaker 2: this thing called an incredibly laid back and relax personality
Speaker 2: that doesn't allow me to work too hard and I'm
Speaker 2: single with no kids. Boom, Well, possibly there is less stress.
Speaker 2: I know how much kids add to it and tell
Speaker 2: you what. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 3: Grant good, I yeah, Hello.
Speaker 7: What's your name now?
Speaker 8: Tim?
Speaker 7: That's right?
Speaker 8: Hello?
Speaker 2: Hello, Keno nice, just being smarty, a smart fart because
Speaker 2: he's a regular.
Speaker 3: Quartending smarty Pete. So there we go, There we go. Hello, Hello, Grant,
Speaker 3: how are you?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I want to talk to.
Speaker 3: N Okay, I'll sit back. Remember I have the control
Speaker 3: over who how long you stay here for. You have
Speaker 3: to be nice.
Speaker 4: He's on the right side of the buttons here, Grant,
Speaker 4: so be careful, buddy.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 7: Well, first off for it. Talk quickly. We're talking about
Speaker 7: work play stress, Kendo. You were worried every time I
Speaker 7: talk to you. It's been a while. About my one
Speaker 7: liter of apple juice I used to drink. I drink
Speaker 7: the fresh up, which is only twenty five percent in
Speaker 7: one lead of apple juice is seventy or five percent
Speaker 7: purefied water. So there's only two fifty mills of apple
Speaker 7: juice a day. And it's fantastic. An apple today in
Speaker 7: what apple and juice today? Keeps the doctor away again
Speaker 7: the apple?
Speaker 5: Grant, eat the apple. Don't drink the juice, mate.
Speaker 7: I can't stand eating apples. Anyway, we'll put that on
Speaker 7: my best Okay, I'm still alive and I still still
Speaker 7: Tim will tell you I'm his best talkback caller. But anyway,
Speaker 7: so now we'll work play stress. I'm retired a couple
Speaker 7: of years now, sixty seven, and I just I don't
Speaker 7: know whether it was my normal personality. I suppose I
Speaker 7: would describe themselves as pretty laid back. But I never
Speaker 7: used to get upset about anything. And he used to
Speaker 7: drive the other A lot of the other people mad.
Speaker 7: You know, some problem would have coming in the office
Speaker 7: and they'd go right in the face and they'd start
Speaker 7: the you know, the voice would rise and all that
Speaker 7: sort of thing. I kept telling him, just calm down,
Speaker 7: you'll be able to think clearer and and everything will
Speaker 7: be fine. So that's my tip for we've played stress.
Speaker 7: Soak yourself into completely relaxing. Because you can think clearer,
Speaker 7: you can actually solve the problems better than when you're
Speaker 7: under stress and worry about it.
Speaker 5: There is some truth to that.
Speaker 3: We can we can don't worry, be happy. Yeah. In fact,
Speaker 3: that was quite a song, wasn't it. Do you think
Speaker 3: he had the answer was that for Williams?
Speaker 5: Bobby mcpherrien.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I'm getting muddled up.
Speaker 5: Name another one of his songs. That's the Great Christmas
Speaker 5: gig pass.
Speaker 3: I'm terrible on who's something? What do you think that's it?
Speaker 4: Don't worry, be happy, choose your attitude grounds Grant, you're
Speaker 4: still there.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they I didn't realize you're still talking to me.
Speaker 7: I'm actually in a car, not in my house of
Speaker 7: I went for drive on the motorway. The motorways bocked
Speaker 7: all the way from Mendaria to Ruma Rubber, so I
Speaker 7: try to find my way back to the Great South Road.
Speaker 7: I've taken the wrong way and ending out in the country.
Speaker 7: And on.
Speaker 5: Follow your own advice. Don't follow your own advice. Don't
Speaker 5: get wound up about the traffic.
Speaker 3: There's good thing you can do about it, hear from
Speaker 3: your grant. Look, we're happy to take your calls on
Speaker 3: this eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. In fact,
Speaker 3: there is something to that about the choice about burnout,
Speaker 3: isn't there? They don't worry, be happy?
Speaker 4: Well, sometimes we do wind ourselves up. We absolutely wind
Speaker 4: ourselves up when we could actually make a choice not
Speaker 4: to get stressed about things that is for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Another Texas says high I always work through Christmas and Auckland.
Speaker 2: I take the last week off from January and Auckland
Speaker 2: Anniversary Day and first week of February off includes Whiteing Day,
Speaker 2: so eight business days gives me about thirteen days off.
Speaker 3: In fact, I actually feel for the people who have
Speaker 3: to take that.
Speaker 5: In fact, I wowsed downs. I went down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if that is part of the stress,
Speaker 2: is that it's not even for many times, Christmas is
Speaker 2: not even a time that gives you you have much
Speaker 2: choice because for many firms, they will make you take
Speaker 2: time off at Christmas at the time when everyone else
Speaker 2: is on holiday. If you want to go somewhere accommodation travel,
Speaker 2: it's order to premium. In fact, if you are lucky
Speaker 2: enough to be able to work through Christmas, I would say,
Speaker 2: do the Christmas shifts and.
Speaker 3: Then take some time off when it's a little bit
Speaker 3: more laid back.
Speaker 5: A lot to be said for that. That's what I
Speaker 5: used to do it well, I used to have the choice.
Speaker 5: I'd go through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, year after year after year, I would work through
Speaker 4: to the back end of January. But I know the
Speaker 4: point that you're making a lot of companies, a lot
Speaker 4: of businesses, they have that closed down period. Well, you
Speaker 4: could suck up a lot of your leave at a
Speaker 4: time when maybe you don't want to do that. So
Speaker 4: then it's about having a conversation with your manager or
Speaker 4: your boss and maybe you're needing to take some unpaid
Speaker 4: leave later in the year. That might be a choice.
Speaker 4: Might not be a great financial one, but it might
Speaker 4: be a good for mental well being choice. And or
Speaker 4: then being strategic about when you take your leave. Most
Speaker 4: people only get four weeks a year.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, well I or my leave I take without pay,
Speaker 2: so that's quite freeing in a way.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, the other thing that's we wanted to have
Speaker 2: a chat about is it's diabetes Awareness month.
Speaker 5: Didn't know that until recently.
Speaker 2: Well a month's a long time, I guess. And if
Speaker 2: you look there, there's always some awareness month on something
Speaker 2: every week. But there are some interesting things about diabetes
Speaker 2: and common myths that it's worth debunking as well. If
Speaker 2: you had a bit of a look into the whole
Speaker 2: diabetes thing. Is that's something you do as a health coach?
Speaker 2: Too right, too right, fantastic for sure.
Speaker 3: It's everywhere. Yeah, it's everywhere.
Speaker 5: Was it one hundred how many?
Speaker 3: How many?
Speaker 5: I was look at the statistic.
Speaker 4: One hundred thousand New Zealanders have been diagnosed with diabetes
Speaker 4: in the last three years, so it's about forty five
Speaker 4: new cases every single day.
Speaker 3: That's huge, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Most of them will be type two diabetes, and most
Speaker 4: of them would be utterly preventable.
Speaker 3: Diabetes Action Month. Actually, there we go. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 3: a subtle bit of semantics there, which is.
Speaker 4: Well, I like that, I like the fact that it's
Speaker 4: called action month, okay, But then the question is, okay,
Speaker 4: what do we do? This was my point around mental
Speaker 4: Health Awareness Week a few months back to I think
Speaker 4: we should change it to mental Health Action Week because
Speaker 4: everyone knows that we have mental health crisis in New
Speaker 4: Zealand or a mental health emergency. We all know that
Speaker 4: everyone's aware of it. The question then is, okay, what
Speaker 4: do we do about it? So at least with this
Speaker 4: Diabetes Action Month, they're probably trying to be affirmative and
Speaker 4: proactive and suggest that, hey, there are things that we
Speaker 4: need to do. But then there's a conflation I think
Speaker 4: around some of the messaging. If you look at their website,
Speaker 4: and think about the campaign which is called Don't Sugarcoat Diabetes,
Speaker 4: and that they are not wanting to demonize sugar.
Speaker 2: Is that actually one of the Is that one of
Speaker 2: the sort of myths around you know, you get diabetes.
Speaker 3: If you're simply addicted to sugar and all that sort
Speaker 3: of thing. Is that a myth?
Speaker 2: Or is that actually one of the I mean, I
Speaker 2: think we should probably trying to avoid having too much sugar.
Speaker 4: I can't see how you can have a reasonable conversation
Speaker 4: about diabetes without mentioning the fact that sugar is the
Speaker 4: bad guy in the story.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 5: You can't get away from that.
Speaker 4: So I think we need to be careful if we
Speaker 4: say to people, hey, sugar vilification is wrong, and eat
Speaker 4: moderation and all that sort of stuff. I think people
Speaker 4: actually need to know what they're dealing with. And I
Speaker 4: think if you looked at alcohol, for example, do we
Speaker 4: demonize alcohol? It's highly debatable, right, do we demonize it
Speaker 4: as it glorified whatever? But we know the damage to
Speaker 4: that from alcohol, and we know that alcohol is poisonous
Speaker 4: because it's a form of ethanol. And so if you're
Speaker 4: talking to someone about fatty liver disease, for example, you
Speaker 4: might actually have to say, look, there's no getting around this.
Speaker 4: Alcohol is the problem here. It's not you, it's the alcohol.
Speaker 4: And I think when we're having the conversation around diabetes
Speaker 4: and other metabolic health problems, it's great to say to
Speaker 4: people it's not you, it's the sugar. It's the process
Speaker 4: food that's the problem. So reframe it that way.
Speaker 2: In fact, because there there was an article in the
Speaker 2: Herald about diabetes and the first myth is that eating
Speaker 2: too much sugar causes diabetes, and type one diabetes has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with sugar, apparently, because that is something
Speaker 2: that's an autoimmune condition that develops.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was the thing.
Speaker 2: That I that's.
Speaker 3: But a confusing thing for people, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well they've then conflated type one diabetes with type two
Speaker 4: in that particular article with the New Zealand Herald, and
Speaker 4: again the issue that I would take with that messaging
Speaker 4: tem is, hey, let's not overstate the role of sugar
Speaker 4: when you actually can't overstate it. It's impossible to overstate
Speaker 4: the role of sugar in type two diabetes, and it
Speaker 4: isn't It is an issue for people with type one
Speaker 4: diabetes as well. Because they are under about a very
Speaker 4: very tight blood sugar control, and so they're having to
Speaker 4: take in chealin because their pancreas can't create enough, so
Speaker 4: they're having to take in chelin. Well, if you can,
Speaker 4: you to spike your blood sugars unnecessarily from eating sugar.
Speaker 4: That then impacts the ability of the insulin that you
Speaker 4: then take to do its job. So people with type
Speaker 4: one diabetes have to be equally as aware of how
Speaker 4: much sugar they are consuming as someone with type two diabetes,
Speaker 4: And to be perfectly honest, for anyone that doesn't have diabetes,
Speaker 4: we should all be aware of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we know about the because obviously type
Speaker 2: one diabetes is something that's it's not actually related to
Speaker 2: weight or lifestyle choices. That's something that's an autoimmune thing,
Speaker 2: and it seems that you it can appear from birth.
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on these things obviously when I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at the information we got here. But type
Speaker 2: two diabetes is the one where.
Speaker 4: You can do something about it, doesn't it Process food disease,
Speaker 4: that's what it's called, is it. Yeah, So type two
Speaker 4: diabetes is essentially an intolerance to carbohydrate, to process carbohydrate.
Speaker 4: It's an intolerance. So you develop type two diabetes over time.
Speaker 2: Have you had many people you've had to come to
Speaker 2: see you because they're sort of been given that message
Speaker 2: they need to change a few things because that at
Speaker 2: risk of type two diabetes. Because of the risk of it,
Speaker 2: you can foreshire changes, can't you?
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: I mean the world over now people there are thousands
Speaker 4: and thousands and tens of thousands, ten of cases of
Speaker 4: people who have reversed their type two diabetes. It's utterly reversible,
Speaker 4: and it's preventable. And it's called processed food disease for
Speaker 4: a reason because sugar and process food is the number
Speaker 4: one cause of type two diabetes unless you're very, very unfortunate,
Speaker 4: and there's a genetic component.
Speaker 3: That's type one, isn't it well, Well.
Speaker 4: Even people with type two, but a tiny, tiny percentage
Speaker 4: of people can pick up type two diabetes from genetics.
Speaker 4: Team it is largely dietary related and lifestyle related illness,
Speaker 4: and it's preventable. And so the question then becomes what
Speaker 4: is driving the type two diabetes, And it's things like inflammation, glycation,
Speaker 4: and stress and a problem within called in chillin resistance,
Speaker 4: so that drives the type two diabetes. Okay, so what
Speaker 4: drives those things? Well, it's lifestyle related in diet is
Speaker 4: the number one cause.
Speaker 2: But we take your cause on this is if you have,
Speaker 2: if you've had to deal with diabetes, or if you
Speaker 2: live with it, how are you managing it? But also
Speaker 2: if you've, if you've been at risk of it, have
Speaker 2: you managed to sort of defeat it. I do know
Speaker 2: a few people have actually been given some pretty strong
Speaker 2: warnings about diabetes that if they continue the way they're going,
Speaker 2: and they've actually not that where Neither either of us
Speaker 2: are doctors in terms of giving advice on how to
Speaker 2: avoid it, but we want to hear your stories about
Speaker 2: it as well because it is Diabetes Action Month.
Speaker 4: My point, Tim is that we can't minimize the the
Speaker 4: issue around sugar and its contribution. There's no point minimizing
Speaker 4: it and trying to just put it to the one side. Well,
Speaker 4: it might contribute, it might not. Don't worry about sugar
Speaker 4: too much. No, we need to be absolutely conscious about
Speaker 4: how much sugar we are eating because it is affecting
Speaker 4: and hurting far more people than alcohol and cigarettes combined.
Speaker 4: Because we all eat that's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're also taking your calls if you've got
Speaker 2: If you're looking at this time of the year and
Speaker 2: you're thinking it's getting into the silly season, it's not
Speaker 2: quite the silly season, it is it. It's getting pretty close.
Speaker 2: What are we about? Seven weeks to Christmas? Have you
Speaker 2: ever gone through burnout? But what do you do to
Speaker 2: try and make sure that you don't let the holiday
Speaker 2: season stress get to you? Give us a call on
Speaker 2: eighty text too, it's twenty two five News Talks.
Speaker 3: He'd be seven. Oh, there's a bit of a cure
Speaker 3: for burnout, isn't it? A little bit of Dolly and
Speaker 3: Kenny Islands on the stream. Guest is Kent Kent John's
Speaker 3: from Kent John's Health. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 6: Roger High Yeah, good look. I've twice been diagnosed with
Speaker 6: two diabetes, once when I was forty, and you know,
Speaker 6: I sort of embarcked on the course of changing my
Speaker 6: diet and doing a lot of exercise and reversed it
Speaker 6: then and now I'm sixty three, and about six months ago,
Speaker 6: I mean probably for the last i'd be fair to
Speaker 6: say I for the last year, and so I felt
Speaker 6: like I was just fort to you know, through stress
Speaker 6: and things. Just been eating whatever I wanted, you know,
Speaker 6: quite quite bad, really a lot of a lot of
Speaker 6: sugar and stuff like that. And again I've been on
Speaker 6: a on a pretty pretty strict regime. I find I've
Speaker 6: got to either be I've either got to be sort
Speaker 6: of one hundred percent spector or I'm just off the rails.
Speaker 6: There's not much moderation for me. And again, my my
Speaker 6: numbers have come right down, you know, so I definitely
Speaker 6: think it's it's it's possible for most people, you know,
Speaker 6: not all like you said before, but most people, if
Speaker 6: they if they change their diet, cut out the sugar,
Speaker 6: probably cut out a lot of the fat as well,
Speaker 6: because because you know, the sugar is sort of is bad,
Speaker 6: but your body doesn't deal with the sugar so well.
Speaker 6: If you have if you have been having a high
Speaker 6: fat diet as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the standard American diet, high fat, high sugar,
Speaker 4: and the fat generally is not the problem to the
Speaker 4: problem is that fat carries a lot of calories and
Speaker 4: the body doesn't know what to do with those calories
Speaker 4: because it's having to deal with the sugar. That's great, though,
Speaker 4: to hear Roger and that's encouraging stuff. That what he's
Speaker 4: been able to do is to put in to practice
Speaker 4: those self care mechanisms tim And it probably is for
Speaker 4: Roger that he's just his ability, his metabolic ability to
Speaker 4: withstand sugar is probably very low.
Speaker 5: So some of us.
Speaker 4: Can tolerate a lot of rubbish food before we get sick.
Speaker 4: Some of other people can only tolerate a very little
Speaker 4: amount before things start to go haywire. So it's good
Speaker 4: for Roger that he's got that information on board.
Speaker 2: By the way, you can't go to Diabetes Action Month
Speaker 2: for DOT or DOT in Z and you can actually
Speaker 2: fill out a quick questionnaire as to whether you're at
Speaker 2: risk of diabetes. And it's actually quite a useful little
Speaker 2: questionnaire because it helps you sort of identify or maybe
Speaker 2: that's the thing I ticked that box maybe for exercise,
Speaker 2: but more I'll be all right, because it's basically says,
Speaker 2: do I am I physically active and I have away
Speaker 2: from my height?
Speaker 5: All those certainly helps if you're physically active.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The battleground is food.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like any other chronic disease that we can
Speaker 4: talk about, the battle ground is food.
Speaker 3: Right, Let's go to some more calls Greg, Hello, yeah, good,
Speaker 3: fel good.
Speaker 8: Here you go, Hello, yeah yeah good Yeah. I'm just
Speaker 8: I'm just queering. What's there is classic coke and no cake?
Speaker 3: Oh, coke zero? You mean all that stuff?
Speaker 8: Yah knows well, it used to be, but now it's
Speaker 8: no sugar, no sugar.
Speaker 4: Coke's it's a It's a better but still poor choice, Greg,
Speaker 4: because of the response in the body to the sweetness
Speaker 4: that the body anticipates sugar. So and if you have
Speaker 4: a one mouthful of coke zero or Pepsi max or whatever,
Speaker 4: it's super sweet. The body says, sugar's coming, Sugar's coming,
Speaker 4: Sugar's coming, So it loads up, gets ready to go,
Speaker 4: produces a whole lot of inchellin the sugar doesn't turn up,
Speaker 4: but your metabolic health will suffer because of it. There's
Speaker 4: a guy called doctor Robert Lustig in the United States.
Speaker 4: He's a terrific follow and he talks about these drinks,
Speaker 4: and he is an absolute guru on metabolic health. And
Speaker 4: he said, five years ago they probably didn't know enough
Speaker 4: as to talk about the toxicity of sugar free drinks.
Speaker 4: Now they do. They're about half as toxic as a
Speaker 4: regular coke, about half about half as bad, but it's
Speaker 4: still bad.
Speaker 3: Depends on the type of sweetener.
Speaker 2: There's something about the stevia versus aspartamine or something I
Speaker 2: can't remember, but I.
Speaker 8: Didn't like to see you yet. Scrap.
Speaker 4: We we don't know enough yet to mister how that
Speaker 4: impacts our gut health.
Speaker 2: I always just think, just have sparkling water. Always feels
Speaker 2: like you're having something festive.
Speaker 4: Anyway, sugar free drinks lead to inflammation. They lead to
Speaker 4: all sorts of problems, even though they are truthfully a
Speaker 4: better choice.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, let's take some more calls.
Speaker 2: Adam High, Yeah, hey, how are you get am?
Speaker 6: Hey?
Speaker 9: Guys, Yeah, I just thought i'd call it done. Interesting
Speaker 9: a long time listen their first time caller. But I
Speaker 9: was diagnosed with that one percent mitochondrial genetic diabetes two
Speaker 9: years ago.
Speaker 6: It's been a bit of a journey since then.
Speaker 9: As a you know, generally a fit, active five year
Speaker 9: old always sort of lendered what was wrong with me
Speaker 9: with myself in earlier days, you know, I used to
Speaker 9: get real lot headed, shaky. But yeah, I've been on
Speaker 9: a bit of a journey. So I got diagnosed two
Speaker 9: years ago. So I'm not sure whether it fits into
Speaker 9: TIP one on type two, but I do take insulin
Speaker 9: in the evenings and repid insulin when.
Speaker 8: The blood spike.
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's a bit of a tough journey, I
Speaker 9: must say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh thanks for telling us about that. How do
Speaker 4: you think you're coping? Are you going all right?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, not too bad.
Speaker 9: It's you know, I'm seeing specialists and also going through
Speaker 9: like the public system. So the glucose monitoring device that's
Speaker 9: just been funded from the first of October is a
Speaker 9: life changer room, I say, because you know, you know
Speaker 9: exactly what foods and what drinks you know work and
Speaker 9: don't work. So I think that's a bit of a
Speaker 9: miracle that that was funded for type ones, but also
Speaker 9: for the genetic you know percentage of the population that
Speaker 9: unfortunately Gondon as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and do you have to pay close attention to
Speaker 4: to mark us on a daily basis and also your
Speaker 4: HbA one C level.
Speaker 9: Yeah, every three months, every three months. So the HBO
Speaker 9: A one C I'm still not perfect made on sixty one,
Speaker 9: which you need to be obviously under forty. But yeah,
Speaker 9: it's pretty tough. I must say. You know, I run
Speaker 9: a lot. I'm fitting a very fat and active. But yeah,
Speaker 9: it's not as easy I think, just saying that, you know,
Speaker 9: you need to stick to low carves, low sugar foods,
Speaker 9: because yeah, it's pretty broup, especially if you're on the run.
Speaker 9: You know, there's not that many options out there all
Speaker 9: the time. Yeah, yeah, And I'm just wondering, yeah, like,
Speaker 9: did you do you have any other cases that you
Speaker 9: know you might know of yourself from that mitochondrial and
Speaker 9: a younger you know, younger age demographic.
Speaker 4: No, I can't say I have come across this at
Speaker 4: personally or individually. The people that I've coached have all
Speaker 4: been either type just a classic type one diabetic on
Speaker 4: unshillin or type two and they then get their HbA
Speaker 4: one C to come down more often than not just
Speaker 4: through dietary intervention. You're your body function, your metabolisms probably
Speaker 4: giving you a real real challenge.
Speaker 5: Hey, by the sounds of.
Speaker 9: It, yeah it is. But to be honest, I felt
Speaker 9: the best I've ever felt in the last two years,
Speaker 9: which doesn't quite make sense, but it does now because
Speaker 9: you know, I'll cut out bears completely. Here you go
Speaker 9: in the low card bears and change the gin I say.
Speaker 3: Right, sideways, move good on Adam. Hey, thanks for you
Speaker 3: co mate. We've got to head to a break just quickly.
Speaker 2: If you are what would be the signs that would
Speaker 2: make because you generally need to go to a doctor,
Speaker 2: get to get referred for a blood test or whatever
Speaker 2: the testers for diabetes, wouldn't you.
Speaker 5: If you don't go and get yourself a blood test.
Speaker 4: I would recommend that once a year go and get
Speaker 4: a warrant of fitness and then ask for a blood test.
Speaker 3: See the dot for the warrant fitness.
Speaker 4: Get the warrant fitness from the nurse and the doctor.
Speaker 4: But then you're also entitled to go and grab a
Speaker 4: blood test whenever you like. And if the doctor queried that,
Speaker 4: you just say, hey, I want to know what's going
Speaker 4: on here. I'll look after myself, So you go and
Speaker 4: get your blood test as often as you can to.
Speaker 4: Symptoms would be inflammation, poor sleep, poor skin, terrible energy levels,
Speaker 4: weight gain, feeling bloated, all sorts of different things.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Actually, if you concerned about your health and if you're worried,
Speaker 2: it's always good to talk to a health professional. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: we'll be back in just to ticket's eight and a
Speaker 2: half minutes to five News talks, he'd b news talks HEADB.
Speaker 2: This is a health HABITM beverage. My guest is Kent John's.
Speaker 2: We're talking a little bit about diabetes and also burnout.
Speaker 2: Time for one more quick call, Karen.
Speaker 7: Hello, Oh hi, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good? How you Karen?
Speaker 5: Good?
Speaker 7: Good?
Speaker 6: Good.
Speaker 10: I had a neighbor who was diabetic, and I said
Speaker 10: to him, do you want to get rid of your diabetes?
Speaker 10: And he said yeah. So I told him what to
Speaker 10: do to fast. He did the five two diet and
Speaker 10: then he went back to his doctor one month later
Speaker 10: and his doctor didn't said he didn't need medication anymore.
Speaker 10: And then within one month he was off all meds
Speaker 10: his diabetes and his doctor was shocked. They said, what
Speaker 10: did you do? And he said, I fasted because when
Speaker 10: you fast, you reduce your insulin, which then gets rid
Speaker 10: of your type two diabetes.
Speaker 2: Probably always best to get a bit of a bit
Speaker 2: of I mean, generally you get a bit of advice
Speaker 2: from your doctor one what you should do, wouldn't you Yes?
Speaker 10: Yes, So I did tell him to go to his doctor,
Speaker 10: and you know, but he that on him. He decided
Speaker 10: not to and he just said it himself and within
Speaker 10: one month, he was off all medications to type the
Speaker 10: diabetes because by fasting, you reduce your insulin, which then
Speaker 10: reduces because if you get if you reduce your insulin,
Speaker 10: your diabetes would disappear. That's type two I'm talking about.
Speaker 10: Because of causes is high insulin.
Speaker 3: Good stuff.
Speaker 4: You're getting the insulin down as absolutely essential to him.
Speaker 4: So that's that's a great story. Care And I've heard
Speaker 4: this many, many, many times two Tim is that doctors
Speaker 4: will go, wow, how did you do this?
Speaker 5: And the person has just changed what.
Speaker 10: Even I was very close to pre diabetes, but because
Speaker 10: of my fast thing, I avoided it and now my
Speaker 10: bludge was the thirty eight good stuff.
Speaker 2: Karen, Hey, thanks so much for your core. Gosh, time
Speaker 2: flies and you're having fun. Kent John's Health dot cod.
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Speaker 4: Autonomy Clinic. Tim come on and say good ay, we'd
Speaker 4: love to see you.
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