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Speaker 1: We're having a look at some aged care reform. Apparently

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Speaker 1: we've got a Ministry Real advisory group they've established to

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Speaker 1: review the outdated funding model their words, not mine, currently

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Speaker 1: costs US two and a half billion dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: What they're looking at is the sustainable supply of aged

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Speaker 1: care beds and cohesion between services. Now Tracy Martin for

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Speaker 1: when you see on first MP, of course, our chief

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Speaker 1: executive of Aged Care Association these days and is with us.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, good morning. We haven't talked for a while

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Speaker 1: post to your political life. Do you enjoying this job?

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Speaker 1: Have you got a grip on it?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I am enjoying it. I think I'm gripping it up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, as the Prime Minister would say, at two and

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Speaker 1: a half billion dollars expenditure for the sector, is the

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Speaker 1: money efficient?

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Speaker 2: Two and a half billion dollars also includes home and

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Speaker 2: home care delivery, so it's not all for residential care.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think anybody believes, and we've had report

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Speaker 2: after report after report saying that that the model of

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Speaker 2: delivery and the funding system itself is broken. So ultimately,

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Speaker 2: at the moment, we're putting that money in, but can

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Speaker 2: we say that we are getting the best, the most

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Speaker 2: efficient system out the other side that cares for people

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Speaker 2: the way they should be cared for. We've got passionate

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Speaker 2: people delivering care, absolutely, but the model needs to have

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Speaker 2: to be looked at.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So it's not just automatically about more.

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Speaker 2: Money, No, definitely not. This is about taking you know,

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Speaker 2: what is the last century way of delivering care to

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Speaker 2: a completely different cohort of human beings. Ultimately, they're older,

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Speaker 2: they're come in with much more complicated sort of co morbidities,

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Speaker 2: their acuities. Higher aging in place has been very successful.

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Speaker 2: So the people that are being looked after in residential

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Speaker 2: care have much higher needs and it needs to be

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Speaker 2: delivered in a different way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, apart from the different wayside of it, the aging

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Speaker 1: population and its role and how dramatic that will be.

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Speaker 1: Are we on top of that?

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. I mean government's successive governments have it's

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Speaker 2: coming and they haven't taken the action that's needed to

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Speaker 2: be taken. So we kind of got a very small

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Speaker 2: window left now around about ten to fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it's one thing to say, let's have a

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Speaker 1: look at it. Is anything going to happen. When do

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Speaker 1: I ring you back and when do you go? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we fixed that good and proper.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, well, well done, good point. I think

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Speaker 2: what's what we're hoping for with the announcement that has

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Speaker 2: been made recently, as this is the first true action.

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Speaker 2: This is not another review. This is actually bringing experts

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Speaker 2: who know how to deliver care both in home and

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Speaker 2: in residential care together in a room and giving them

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Speaker 2: a period of time, a short period of time, and saying, Okay,

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Speaker 2: tell us what will work, and then we'll take it

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Speaker 2: into cabinet and then we'll have a conversation about it.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with that. Tracy Martin, Chief Executive Age Care Association.

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