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Speaker 1: Going away from six the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's

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Speaker 1: International Realty. Find your one of.

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Speaker 2: A kind on the Huddle of Us this evening we

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Speaker 2: have David Farraki we blog and Curiapolster and Ali Jones

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Speaker 2: have read pr Hello you.

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Speaker 1: Two, Hello Hi Hena David.

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Speaker 2: What is going on here? Are they playing chippy or

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Speaker 2: is there true disagreement within the party.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's no doubt there's true disagreement. And look, I've

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Speaker 3: been thinking Brad about this, and I actually get quite

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Speaker 3: angry because what people forget when these people say if

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Speaker 3: you're not Mari, you can't get involved in the selection.

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Speaker 3: The MP for Tammocky Makru isn't just a social worker

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Speaker 3: for their consitions. They vote in parliament on the lords

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Speaker 3: of New Zealand. We're not immune from that. To really,

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Speaker 3: what Tama here in Paris are saying is that if

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Speaker 3: you're the wrong race, you don't get to have a say.

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Speaker 3: And who goes into parliament.

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Speaker 4: Who decides the laws. And that's just absolutely outrageous. I said,

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Speaker 4: of a local advocate role, you could well make that case,

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Speaker 4: but you cannot tell New Zealand citizens that they have

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Speaker 4: no right to have a view or to get involved

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Speaker 4: with a party's campaign for a season the New Zealan Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point, Alie. What do you think.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right. I think gosh, it was

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Speaker 5: great listening to mister flavel went. Actually hears some articulate conciliatory. Well,

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Speaker 5: you know, I do wonder because we're seeing it in

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Speaker 5: the Greens, We're seeing it in some of the labor

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Speaker 5: as well. It's becoming more activist. And you know, he

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Speaker 5: talked about the old sucker puppa and I do wonder

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Speaker 5: about that. But the thing here is that Mary seats

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Speaker 5: are there to ensure a Mary voice in parliament, right,

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Speaker 5: that's one argument. So then it comes down to can

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Speaker 5: a non Mary candidate bear voice for Mary in parliament?

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Speaker 5: And we heard in your interview that they can. And

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Speaker 5: I think if you start David's right, if you start

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Speaker 5: saying you cannot run for parliament because you are not

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Speaker 5: of this ethnicity or the race, that is undemocratic. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's the line that some of the people

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Speaker 5: in the Maori Party are are walking.

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Speaker 2: David, just explain to me why you're so convinced that

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Speaker 2: there is disagreement within the party.

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Speaker 4: There's a couple of reasons. The first is they've just

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Speaker 4: sacked their whip. You don't do that.

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Speaker 3: That just doesn't happen without some significant ructions within the party.

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Speaker 3: The second is you've actually had the MP have the

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Speaker 3: leaders apologize for them, double down with an eight minute

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Speaker 3: the Farnt video, and also interestingly say basically, well they're

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Speaker 3: not in charge of me. We're all equal on this party. Now.

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Speaker 4: Now let me tell you. If you're a national web

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Speaker 4: be with your keepers drystuff, and you said you're not

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Speaker 4: the bottom me, John, we're all equal, well you probably

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Speaker 4: would be a national WebP for very long. So what

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Speaker 4: we've seen is a symptom, but there's obviously deeper eruptions

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Speaker 4: are then this is not perhaps surprising because it's how

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Speaker 4: he says. They're more a party of active us very

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Speaker 4: good generating anger, but not a party what discipline. What Hey,

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Speaker 4: we're here to improve laws to see what policy gains

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Speaker 4: we can get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fairpoint. Actually they don't even know how parliament actually works.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break with you to come

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Speaker 2: back very shortly talk about where the National and the

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Speaker 2: Act in New Zealand. First, should be worried about that poll.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the Global

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Speaker 2: Back of the Huddle Allie Jones and David Farrett. Now, Ali,

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Speaker 2: what do you think should National Act New Zealand first

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Speaker 2: be worried that they're copying the lion's share of the

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Speaker 2: blame for the economy, plus so much of it from

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, they should, you know, I think this is more

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Speaker 5: David's area. One thing I was interested in those figures though,

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Speaker 5: is was there a breakdown geographically? And I've said on

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Speaker 5: your show before, Heather, how things are doing so well.

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Speaker 5: You know, things are really going well in christ Church

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Speaker 5: at the moment. So I don't know whether that would,

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Speaker 5: you know, people would feel that down here. My girlfriend

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Speaker 5: picture of our mayor Phil Major on it that says

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Speaker 5: the beehive maybe in Wellington, but the buzzes in christ Church,

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Speaker 5: which I think is just brilliant. But yeah, I wonder

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Speaker 5: if there's a geographical breakdown. I do think the PM

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Speaker 5: has got to stop saying things like a growing economy

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Speaker 5: is actually how key we get ahead. I really applauded

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Speaker 5: that when I first heard it and over the last

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Speaker 5: couple of years. But I am running out of patients now,

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Speaker 5: and I think a lot of people are running out

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Speaker 5: got to start seeing some action and some change otherwise

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Speaker 5: people are just going to give up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you say, David, Look, I've read it

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Speaker 3: is very alarming for the government because inflation in the

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Speaker 3: economy are the two biggest issues they are elected on

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Speaker 3: and will probably be the biggest issues gained in to

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Speaker 3: next election. And well, you and then could having a

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Speaker 3: discussion about whether it's fear et cetera, et cetera. The

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Speaker 3: end of the day, two years in, people were still hurting.

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Speaker 3: We've still gone not inflation's not five percent, but food

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Speaker 3: real challenge for them. Now. Yeah, there's some good signs

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Speaker 3: in the economy and the rural sector. It's a matter

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Speaker 2: Do you think, Ellie, like I do, that they should

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Speaker 2: have from my perspective, The problem is they came in

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Speaker 2: and they just look like the Labor Party and drag.

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Speaker 2: They didn't change very much up they spent more than

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Speaker 2: the Labor Party. I think they ought to have done

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Speaker 2: something quite structurally significant, like there should have been really

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Speaker 2: big changes to turn this economy around. What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yet?

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Speaker 5: I agree with you, and I think there's only so

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Speaker 5: long that you can say, oh, look, we had to

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Speaker 5: open the books, we had to review everything, there was

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Speaker 5: a lot to mop up that we had. That that

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Speaker 5: only works for you know, so so long. And I

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Speaker 5: think you're absolutely right. I don't know how far you

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Speaker 5: could go. But at the moment, I'm looking at what

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Speaker 5: we had with labor and going, oh my god, I

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Speaker 5: don't want them back. And I'm looking at this three

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Speaker 3: Are that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a fair point, David. I can understand

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Speaker 2: But did they actually make a mistake by choosing that.

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Speaker 3: I think they did make a mistake and at least

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Speaker 3: not being more aggressive why spending reductions, especially with the

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Speaker 3: public seat a lot. You might have seen it at

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Speaker 3: Auckland well into the local newspaper ran five stories a

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Speaker 3: day about public service cuts. I'd a poll the average

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Speaker 3: person thinks a third of the public sector got facked

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Speaker 3: fifteen thousand people. Actually we've got more people than in

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Speaker 3: June fifty three, you know, slightly less than what came in.

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Speaker 3: And I'mswie like, well, if you're going to take months

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Speaker 3: and months of these headlines about how terrible you are

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Speaker 3: and actually only cut a few hundred, must as well

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Speaker 3: have cut the fifteen out totally.

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Speaker 4: You know, that's what the media convince people. You would

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Speaker 4: do it for a day?

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Speaker 5: How much? How much of this is to do with

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Speaker 5: the fact that it's coalition. This is what I'm really

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Speaker 5: interested in. Has National been limited in what they can

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Speaker 5: do or any of the others been limited in what

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Speaker 5: they can do because they have to get agreement between

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Speaker 5: the three parties?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, always.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's made from blame though a lot,

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Speaker 3: because there's some things like if you got in first,

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Speaker 3: wasn't there you would raise the two frage sixty seven,

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Speaker 3: which won't affect their connia that currently is, but would

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Speaker 3: be a very good policy for sustainability long term.

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Speaker 4: But there's not.

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Speaker 3: Going to be a single party government possibly ever again

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand, to be honest, it's all going to

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Speaker 3: be two and three party coalitions. And this is MMP

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Speaker 3: and it's deliberately designed to stop the old government. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because people didn't like rodgenomics.

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Speaker 2: Yephy Ali, do you care if your peaches are grown

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Speaker 2: in Hawks Bay all China?

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Speaker 5: I do, I really do? And what I care about it.

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Speaker 2: For the hawks Bay peaches instead of the one dollar

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Speaker 2: for the China peachers.

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Speaker 5: No, I would make my own, but I do care

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Speaker 5: where they come from. So my point is, if I've

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Speaker 5: got a choice between hawks Bay and Chinese peaches, if

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Speaker 5: the Chinese ones are cheaper, I will bottle my own.

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Speaker 5: If the hawks Bay ones are pretty close to the

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Speaker 5: Chinese ones, I'll buy the hawks Bay ones. But it's

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Speaker 5: it's not a matter of choosing one over the other

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Speaker 5: because I'll always do my own. It's cheaper and it's satisfying.

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Speaker 2: Jesus, I don't even have the skill. Do you have

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Speaker 2: the skill?

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Speaker 4: David?

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Speaker 2: Could you just be like I'm just going to do

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Speaker 2: my own peaches?

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Speaker 4: No, I could not do my own peachs.

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Speaker 3: But but lot I do look at country a Weber

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Speaker 3: histori respirt, New Zealand strawberries tend to be much fresher

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Speaker 3: New Zealand garlic has probably six times Chinese garlic, but

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Speaker 3: so much nicer when it comes to peaches, though I

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Speaker 3: can't say that's one of the ones drove the strong

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Speaker 3: view on you know me, So I won't look at

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Speaker 3: you know, say own get New Zealand. But if I

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Speaker 3: know New Zealand has better quality, then yes I'll do it.

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Speaker 5: What about the air miles? So you're you're an environmentalist,

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Speaker 5: don't you, David, you'd be thinking about how far they'd

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Speaker 5: come from.

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Speaker 3: It must stay.

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Speaker 2: Rolling your eyes, David, I'm rolling my eyes. Are you

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Speaker 2: rolling your eyes?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Look the.

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Speaker 3: Whole world exports in them pots. Like take strawberries, we

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Speaker 3: don't grow them nine months of the year, so of

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Speaker 3: course they get important than And the reality is they

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Speaker 3: would rather keep selling New Zelle peaches, but people just

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Speaker 3: aren't buying them. And you can't stop three million people

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Speaker 3: from buying the wrong thank no.

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Speaker 2: And I mean buying in season is always a smart

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Speaker 2: thing to do. Guys, listen. I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: My mind is blown by the pair review Ali for

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Speaker 2: doing her own Peaches and David for knowing the garlic story.

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Speaker 2: David Farrah, Alie Jones a huddling.

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