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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Zealander and welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show Podcast number one seven three for

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Speaker 2: the thirty first of July and the Year of Our

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Speaker 2: Lord twenty twenty five. Incredible show today. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: We've decided to talk about drugs on Facebook and we

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Speaker 2: got an insight into the underbelly of New Zealand society.

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Speaker 3: Hit the jackpot there.

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Speaker 2: We went deep into the dark web and then back

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Speaker 2: out the other side into some therapy and talk to

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Speaker 2: Stephen Joyce actually about the one of the architects of

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Speaker 2: the emergency alert system and why it was set up

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Speaker 2: and where it's going now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So a.

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Speaker 2: Bunch of great topics today, So thank you great, Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 4: Me very very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Thursday's show.

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Speaker 4: Great to have your company. As always, get a mad.

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Speaker 2: Get A Tyler, everything's well in the world because as

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Speaker 2: I look over you, Tyler, my good friend, your here

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Speaker 2: is still weird. Your clothes are still weird. After getting

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Speaker 2: splashed by a guy on a red you Zaarah Puddle Sue,

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Speaker 2: you're standing there and just splashed you.

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Speaker 3: I'm just so glad I could make you happy.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: I was miserable and very angry and it was a

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Speaker 4: knock to my ego. But you are happy, so that's

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Speaker 4: almost cub and neutral.

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Speaker 2: You made me very happy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but also, can I just say, mate, you'll want

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Speaker 4: to talk because isn't you go tits up on a

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Speaker 4: Lime scooter outside of Showgirls not longer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's notated. That's unrelated. Well, and hang on

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Speaker 2: a minute.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 2: It was in front of show Girls, but I had

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with shoga. It was just happened to

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Speaker 2: be where my Limes scoop. It scooter happened to hit

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Speaker 2: the curb and I went flying over and landed beside

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Speaker 2: some bounces. It was embarrassing a lot of people were

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Speaker 2: laughing and asking if I was okay. Yeah, pretty painful, actually.

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Speaker 3: I bet it was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fust you reckon your gun. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: it knocked myself up pretty badly. Glasses came flying off,

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Speaker 2: car keys went flying on the ground, phone was sliding everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I was very discombobulated, and you know, and you sort

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Speaker 2: of have to shamefully go around and try and find

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Speaker 2: your stuff before you walk off whilst pretending it doesn't hurt.

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Speaker 2: It's very important if you end yourself in public, that

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Speaker 2: you pretend it doesn't hurt. Safe face, get up fast.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why it's important,

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Speaker 2: but you have to pretend it was nothing.

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Speaker 3: You got to walk it off, walk it off fast.

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Speaker 2: Until you get around the corner and you're like, oh

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Speaker 2: my god. But yeah, I'm supposed to be running a

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Speaker 2: bloody half marathon and topau this weekend and I've knocked

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Speaker 2: myself up on a lime skinter. Yeah disaster, Thank you mate.

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Speaker 4: That makes me feel so better about absolutely embarrassed by

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Speaker 4: this redt mine.

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Speaker 2: Was tragic and undeserved. You're being splashed by a guy,

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Speaker 2: and a red was funny and has more joy to

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Speaker 2: myself and all the listeners. Mantile afternoons and said, be

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Speaker 4: As long as we can make you the listener happy.

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Speaker 4: That's the important part. Right on to today's show after

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Speaker 4: three o'clock. This is going to be a really important discussion.

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Speaker 4: Comedian Guy Montgomery. He is best known for making people laugh.

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Speaker 4: He's done that on stage, of course, very successful in Australia,

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Speaker 4: but he recently shared how he started regular therapy. He

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Speaker 4: did that during lockdowns, but when the pressure of his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so therapy when things are going well personally. I

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Speaker 2: don't think therapy works for me. I think it might

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Speaker 2: for example, that is just you know that the marriage

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Speaker 2: counseling room is just a departure lounge for your relationship.

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Speaker 2: If you asked me, yep, But do you disagree one

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Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty a half to two. A convicted

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Speaker 2: dealer has said getting drugs and weapons is super easy

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Speaker 2: on Facebook. Cocaine, ecstasy, MDMA, weed, guns, tases, even whatever

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Speaker 4: Yep, that is after toll and all right, now, let's

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Speaker 4: have a chat about the emergency alert system. So multiple

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Speaker 4: people were by several messages and some received none. In

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Speaker 4: the National Emergency Management Agency NIMA called it a glitch

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Speaker 6: The National Alert system is not used very often. It's

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Speaker 6: been a long time since we've used it. The decision

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Speaker 6: so we couldn't ring fence it. We felt that really

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Speaker 6: strongly that we're a coastal nation, that people do want

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Speaker 6: we needed to get that information out quickly. It's up

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Speaker 6: to us now to identify where the issues are, work

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Speaker 6: with the telcos and make the system even better. It

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Speaker 6: always happens. You get some people that say there wasn't

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Speaker 6: enough information. You get other people that say, you know,

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Speaker 6: went too soon. But look, in my views as the Minister,

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Speaker 6: and I've been mister now eighteen months, I've been on

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Speaker 6: the ground at fourteen local states of emergency. We do

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Speaker 6: not have the luxury anymore of operating in this optimal

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Speaker 6: optimism buyer space because that's how people die. And so

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Speaker 6: we'll be proactive and we'll be giving keywis the information

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you know, solid argument there. But you've

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Speaker 2: safety you know, this is this is someone being overly cautious,

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Speaker 2: because you've got to decide whether it's a real risk

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Speaker 2: went I bit, I bet, and judging from social media,

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Speaker 2: I'm not the only one. My initial thought was. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm right here. I'm not saying I'm

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Speaker 2: I'd got one the night before. So when I looked

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Speaker 2: that's information you guys don't need to know.

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Speaker 3: There it is.

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Speaker 2: But she stuck her head out and said, can you

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Speaker 2: turn that off? She and no point did she ever

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting that you raised that point that you

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Speaker 4: got that alert last night, so you were all over

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Speaker 3: Is that a part of it here?

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Speaker 4: That most of New Zealand got their alert at four twelve,

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Speaker 4: Some some people got multiple at them, so we already

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Speaker 4: got them, yeah, And then they pumped out another one

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Speaker 4: know you're already up and running a marathon or whatever,

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Speaker 4: that was part of why people got but annoyed to say,

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Speaker 4: I know, I heard last night that there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: I've already got the message.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't mind that. I don't really

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm strong enough that I can handle a

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Speaker 2: beeping sound that sounds like the Purge is starting from

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Speaker 2: the Purge movies. I can handle that.

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Speaker 2: My point is that I just immediately assumed that it

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Speaker 2: to the point where I go, you know, you're just

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Speaker 2: basically surrounding me in road cones. You know that's what's

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Speaker 2: going on. It kind of didn't mean anything. And look

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Speaker 2: if I look at look at Okay, let's have a

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Speaker 2: look at some feedback that's come through. Here you go.

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Speaker 2: If you get alerts at two thirty am. This is

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Speaker 2: it's six fifty am. You won't treat anything as real

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Speaker 2: an emergency system that frustrating will become like the boy

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Speaker 2: who cried rulf. You know, just turn those alerts off

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Speaker 2: like many people around the country. I mean that's the

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Speaker 2: other thing. I mean, I don't know if you can.

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Speaker 2: Can you turn those off?

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Speaker 2: But but but do you want to rest the situation

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Speaker 2: where people go through and turn the emergencies off? What

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Speaker 2: emergencies do we need to hear about? You know what?

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Speaker 2: What what would be an emergency that I think I

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Speaker 2: need to hear about. Yeah, I don't know. A volcanoes

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Speaker 2: erupted near my house.

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Speaker 4: That's a big one. Yeah, an earthquake in New Zealand, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent. I want to hear about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you need to hear about that? I

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Speaker 2: with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay earth great? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. But but did anyone else just get that thing? Look,

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Speaker 2: this business is you're a dick mat you know so.

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Speaker 2: But but see that's a problem because a nation is

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Speaker 2: made of very conscientious people like you that have texted that,

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Speaker 2: and people that go, thank you for holding my hand

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Speaker 2: to government. But it's also made up for people like

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Speaker 2: me that just go, I bet this is nothing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and like I don't I mean, I can't be. I

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Speaker 2: can't be. It's not my fault. What I immediately thought?

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Speaker 3: No, exactly, And a lot of people felt that way. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: one percent.

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Speaker 2: So it's are you trying to ban a thought crime? Man?

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Speaker 3: That was my thought, that was thinking.

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Speaker 2: So how do you deal with that? How do you

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Speaker 2: deal with the huge percentage, judging by social media and

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Speaker 2: the text machine coming through here, that just thought, I

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Speaker 2: bet that's nothing.

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Speaker 4: Oh, eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 4: to call? Is their potential for this to be a

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Speaker 4: boy who cried wolf situation? How did you feel when

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Speaker 4: News talks. There be it is eighteen past one. What

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 2: Call a lot of people very angry at me. They are,

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Speaker 2: But also the thing is, I'm not saying it's wrong

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Speaker 9: So you know, like sending out a notification at four

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 2: So Colin, when you when you get when you get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess my opinion is just a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 4: What emergency? Should the emergency alert system be used? For

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Speaker 4: B twenty eight past one. What emergency should the emergency

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Speaker 2: Are this text to you idiots on ZB right wingers

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm sorry. I like to think you can help

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Speaker 3: most people, but I'm sorry your loss to the system.

436
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not everything that comes down can be

437
00:19:19,293 --> 00:19:23,133
Speaker 2: pushed through the lens of the seating arrangements in Parliament.

438
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Speaker 3: Go and touch some grass for goodness sake.

439
00:19:25,533 --> 00:19:28,133
Speaker 2: Blair up with the show, okay.

440
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Speaker 13: Guys, Yeah, politicizing it as stupid, making it someone else's

441
00:19:33,853 --> 00:19:37,373
Speaker 13: fault or you know, so that's just it's a mute points,

442
00:19:37,373 --> 00:19:39,813
Speaker 13: a ridiculous argument, it's a cop out, it's a cheap

443
00:19:39,973 --> 00:19:42,973
Speaker 13: dig anyway.

444
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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. I do agree with a bit

445
00:19:44,573 --> 00:19:47,053
Speaker 2: where he said that Tyler and I were idiots. I

446
00:19:47,093 --> 00:19:48,453
Speaker 2: think he's right with that, very true.

447
00:19:48,453 --> 00:19:49,773
Speaker 3: He's got he's got my number on that.

448
00:19:49,693 --> 00:19:51,573
Speaker 2: That the second part I don't agree with. But yeah, Blaire,

449
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Speaker 2: your thoughts.

450
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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, don't put that to a vote. Okay. Civil

451
00:19:59,653 --> 00:20:06,573
Speaker 13: defense as obligated or charged with passing out what they

452
00:20:06,613 --> 00:20:12,853
Speaker 13: believe to be pertinent and information based on what they're receiving. Right,

453
00:20:13,253 --> 00:20:16,333
Speaker 13: what you do with that information, Matt is entirely up

454
00:20:16,373 --> 00:20:19,773
Speaker 13: to you. The Civil Defense can't be responsible for what

455
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Speaker 13: you do with the information they send out, so if

456
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Speaker 13: you choose to ignore it, that's on you.

457
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Speaker 2: I agree, yep.

458
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Speaker 13: So so I mean a lot of people getting upset

459
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Speaker 13: about their phone beep in the middle of the night.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely agree. I agreed Blair that getting upset that

461
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Speaker 2: your phone go beep in the middle of the night

462
00:20:39,133 --> 00:20:42,973
Speaker 2: is pretty weak. I'm not upset about that. I'm just concerned,

463
00:20:43,733 --> 00:20:47,813
Speaker 2: Blair that maybe the line that they've put it what

464
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Speaker 2: is worthy of beeping us about is in the wrong place,

465
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Speaker 2: because you have to make that decision and from me,

466
00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:57,653
Speaker 2: and I know I'm not a good it's just just yeah,

467
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Speaker 2: I'll just finish and they'll let you go. Blair. From

468
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Speaker 2: my perspective, I thought it was odd that My immediate

469
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Speaker 2: opinion when I looked at it, And I'm not saying

470
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Speaker 2: I'm right here, I'm just saying what my first thought

471
00:21:06,973 --> 00:21:09,773
Speaker 2: was was this is probably nothing because of the way

472
00:21:09,813 --> 00:21:13,333
Speaker 2: New Zealand seems to be too safety obsessed. So my

473
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Speaker 2: and I just think that could be a problem if

474
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Speaker 2: you're beeping people all the time unless you get the

475
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Speaker 2: subjective and one hundred percent rightly, it is subjective. Unless

476
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Speaker 2: you get that position right, then you just make people

477
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Speaker 2: like me just think I'm going to finish, as a

478
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Speaker 2: previous caller said, doing the potatoes before I look at

479
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Speaker 2: the beeping.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, but I mean, you know, how often, in real terms,

481
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Speaker 13: how often does the alert go off? It doesn't go

482
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Speaker 13: off that often. No, it doesn't go that often.

483
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Speaker 2: Nationwide, hasn't gone off for for a long time. I'm

484
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Speaker 2: not sure when it was. For Mark Mitchell was saying

485
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Speaker 2: a long long time, I mean blasting us all the

486
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Speaker 2: time in COVID. But since then we got a test

487
00:21:53,813 --> 00:21:56,813
Speaker 2: in Auckland about two or three weeks ago. But yeah,

488
00:21:57,053 --> 00:22:00,773
Speaker 2: not often at all, it's not that's not a big yeah.

489
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Speaker 13: So I mean that was a test, that's a test

490
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Speaker 13: of the system.

491
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Speaker 2: And we want we definitely want those.

492
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

493
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Speaker 13: And I run around testing firearm systems every month, you know,

494
00:22:11,133 --> 00:22:12,733
Speaker 13: to make sure they're going to work when they need

495
00:22:12,773 --> 00:22:16,333
Speaker 13: to work. That's the whole thing. So, but but what

496
00:22:16,413 --> 00:22:19,053
Speaker 13: you deem to be an emergency is not necessarily what

497
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Speaker 13: the guy on the other side of the office is

498
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Speaker 13: going to deem to be an emergency. So it's very

499
00:22:24,613 --> 00:22:29,053
Speaker 13: it's very subjective, and you know, the bottom line is, look,

500
00:22:30,013 --> 00:22:33,573
Speaker 13: the example of the previous callers said about an earthquake

501
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Speaker 13: tearing in the Tasman Sea in a big ar tsunami

502
00:22:38,253 --> 00:22:41,253
Speaker 13: heading our way, Well, if you know they're going to

503
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Speaker 13: trigger the civil defense sirens as well, I would hope

504
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Speaker 13: in that scenario so that people reading or peeling the

505
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Speaker 13: potatoes like you matting to are going to hear the

506
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Speaker 13: siren and goar.

507
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Speaker 2: And saying my partent was saying, man doesn't even pealed

508
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Speaker 2: the potatoes. Is a terrible example where you continue.

509
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Speaker 13: To stay but we get your points, so turned down

510
00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:08,533
Speaker 13: at dinner, invited your place. But the thing, the thing is,

511
00:23:08,573 --> 00:23:10,693
Speaker 13: if you hear the civil defense sign and your phone's

512
00:23:10,693 --> 00:23:13,173
Speaker 13: gone off roughly at the same time, you should beginning

513
00:23:13,213 --> 00:23:15,253
Speaker 13: to think, Hey, there actually might be something that I

514
00:23:15,293 --> 00:23:18,572
Speaker 13: need to pay attention to here. Yeah, and again you

515
00:23:18,613 --> 00:23:20,653
Speaker 13: can go and look at your phone. What you do

516
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:22,973
Speaker 13: with that information is entirely up to you. You can

517
00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:26,973
Speaker 13: go back to feeling your potatoes. So I just don't

518
00:23:27,053 --> 00:23:29,053
Speaker 13: understand why people are getting emotional about it.

519
00:23:29,693 --> 00:23:32,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it is odd how emotional people are

520
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Speaker 2: getting out about it. And I think when I hear

521
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Speaker 2: someone saying that I got woken up at six thirty am,

522
00:23:36,493 --> 00:23:38,733
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're weak. You should be up anyway. I

523
00:23:38,773 --> 00:23:42,493
Speaker 2: was up at six thirty am. I don't care about that.

524
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Speaker 2: I'm just concerned that, Yeah, I was up feeling just

525
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Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of potatoes. Just had to get two

526
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Speaker 2: hours of potato peeling and in the morning before work. Now,

527
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Speaker 2: I just I was just surprised how I assumed on

528
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Speaker 2: all my immediate thought, as I keep repeating myself, I

529
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Speaker 2: was just quite surprised that my immediate thought was this

530
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Speaker 2: will be nothing, you know. And I just wonder if

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Speaker 2: that's something that a lot of people, you know, if

532
00:24:09,013 --> 00:24:10,933
Speaker 2: I'm an outlier, if that's a way a lot of

533
00:24:10,973 --> 00:24:11,493
Speaker 2: people thought.

534
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Speaker 13: So we live in a so we're down here in

535
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Speaker 13: Wellington and we live in a hill suburb and hut. Yeah,

536
00:24:17,773 --> 00:24:20,013
Speaker 13: so we're not going to be affected by a half

537
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Speaker 13: meter wave or a meat a wave coming up the harbor.

538
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Speaker 13: But we do often take the dog for walk on

539
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Speaker 13: Betonia Beach. So getting that alert last night at eight

540
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Speaker 13: o'clock was actually kind of helpful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would you support would you support a sort of

542
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Speaker 2: half alert sort of a yeah, this is a this

543
00:24:36,013 --> 00:24:38,053
Speaker 2: is a problem, but it's not it's not anything for

544
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Speaker 2: you to sort of worry too much about. Maybe don't

545
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Speaker 2: take the dog down as opposed to just one level

546
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Speaker 2: of alert, which is probably the same thing we get

547
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Speaker 2: on its coming our way.

548
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Speaker 13: No, because if I mean if people are complaining about it, now,

549
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Speaker 13: can you imagine the rabid responses if you start getting

550
00:24:56,213 --> 00:24:59,653
Speaker 13: half alerts, start getting half half alerts, people are thinking

551
00:24:59,693 --> 00:25:03,093
Speaker 13: the alerts are half fast now halfst alerts.

552
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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, Yeah, Well one thing's for sure, Blair,

553
00:25:06,853 --> 00:25:08,333
Speaker 2: people will complain no matter what happens.

554
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Speaker 4: Yep, exactly, Blair. Thank you Blue, Yeah, thanks very much

555
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Speaker 4: for giving us a buzz. Right, we've got railings standing

556
00:25:13,173 --> 00:25:15,093
Speaker 4: by with headlines. But we're going to pick this back

557
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Speaker 4: up after that. What emergency should the emergency alert system

558
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Speaker 4: be used for? Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

559
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Speaker 4: is the number to call? Twenty five to two.

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Speaker 14: US Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

561
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Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The US Embassy is confirmed.

562
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Speaker 14: FBI Director Cash Pattel is in New Zealand to open

563
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Speaker 14: a dedicated law enforcement atche office in Wellington. It says

564
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Speaker 14: it will strengthen the long standing cooperation with a five key,

565
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Speaker 14: five eyes partner. Civil Defense says New Zealand's unami warning

566
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Speaker 14: holds until at least three, when the resk to our

567
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Speaker 14: west coast could have decreased. The Minister in charge of

568
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Speaker 14: staying firm on the need for mobile emergency alerts despite

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Speaker 14: glitches today, Health New Zealand says hospitals experience no serious

570
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Speaker 14: incidents during the twenty four hour strike by thousands of

571
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Speaker 14: nurses which ended this morning. Yearly performance metrics are out

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Speaker 14: for each council showing rates rises, revenue, debt levels, expenditure

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Speaker 14: and budget balancing. Queenstown Lakes Council has the highest debt

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Speaker 14: to revenue ratio and the West Coast and Selwyn have

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Speaker 14: the biggest forecast rates rise at eighteen percent tenants when

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Speaker 14: dispute after tiny home tips in storm. Find out more

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Speaker 14: at insid Herald Premium. Now back to matth Heat, Matt

578
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Speaker 14: Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So what emergency should

580
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Speaker 4: the emergency alert system be used for? One hundred and

581
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Speaker 4: eighty teen eighty is the number?

582
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Speaker 2: Call Brent, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, good afternoon, guys. Yeah, I don't have an issue

584
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Speaker 15: with the emergency alert. I have an issue when I've

585
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Speaker 15: had at six times. I had it through time this morning. Wow,

586
00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:03,213
Speaker 15: So I've had it six times. I had it had

587
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Speaker 15: it twice yesterday afternoon and then one at then one

588
00:27:07,253 --> 00:27:10,052
Speaker 15: at eight o'clock away last night, and then we had

589
00:27:10,093 --> 00:27:12,493
Speaker 15: a little wake up one at six thirty this morning,

590
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Speaker 15: and then driving down transmission go over.

591
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Speaker 16: This morning.

592
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Speaker 15: It around about eight o'clock or ten past day. I

593
00:27:19,853 --> 00:27:22,333
Speaker 15: got it again and then out to sea Tune and

594
00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:25,253
Speaker 15: I got it again. So I did find out that

595
00:27:26,613 --> 00:27:29,933
Speaker 15: if you are flicking between cell sites, you will get

596
00:27:30,013 --> 00:27:30,853
Speaker 15: at multiple tips.

597
00:27:31,053 --> 00:27:33,933
Speaker 3: Right, And so did you feel informed?

598
00:27:34,013 --> 00:27:35,333
Speaker 2: Did you feel informed, Brent.

599
00:27:36,293 --> 00:27:38,293
Speaker 15: I felt pissed off, to be honest, because there's nothing

600
00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:40,413
Speaker 15: worse than having bluetooth on in your ear and you're

601
00:27:40,413 --> 00:27:41,853
Speaker 15: getting this thing screaming at you.

602
00:27:41,973 --> 00:27:44,453
Speaker 2: It's aggressive, it is, it is.

603
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Speaker 15: You know they could do you know, they were advisories,

604
00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:53,133
Speaker 15: so they were the warning and there's no reason they

605
00:27:53,253 --> 00:27:57,893
Speaker 15: can't have advisory and maybe have a lesser tone for

606
00:27:57,973 --> 00:28:04,893
Speaker 15: an advisory and maybe a different tone for a complete warning. Yeah,

607
00:28:05,813 --> 00:28:08,013
Speaker 15: they obviously have the tone to actually put through to

608
00:28:08,053 --> 00:28:10,933
Speaker 15: your So why can't they have Why can't they have

609
00:28:10,973 --> 00:28:12,453
Speaker 15: distinguishing tones?

610
00:28:12,573 --> 00:28:14,333
Speaker 3: I agree, Brent. I think that's a great idea.

611
00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:17,453
Speaker 2: Do you think it was worthy of and look twenty

612
00:28:17,493 --> 00:28:20,933
Speaker 2: twenty hindsight obviously, but do you think it was worthy

613
00:28:21,173 --> 00:28:23,693
Speaker 2: of obviously not worthy of six? Do you think it

614
00:28:23,773 --> 00:28:27,533
Speaker 2: was worthy of one or two blasts of the emergency alert?

615
00:28:27,613 --> 00:28:30,053
Speaker 17: One or two?

616
00:28:30,213 --> 00:28:32,733
Speaker 15: Okay, we a lot of people didn't realize there was

617
00:28:32,773 --> 00:28:36,973
Speaker 15: a massive earthquake in Russia. I think once you know,

618
00:28:37,253 --> 00:28:39,013
Speaker 15: if you flipped on your phone and had a look

619
00:28:39,053 --> 00:28:44,293
Speaker 15: at Facebook, you got it anyway, you know. Geovil nowadays

620
00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:49,053
Speaker 15: are throwing up all sorts of news articles on on

621
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Speaker 15: the on the on your phone, so you're getting it anyway.

622
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Speaker 17: Eight point eight.

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Speaker 15: Is more than likely going to generate a tsunami, whether

624
00:28:56,253 --> 00:28:58,533
Speaker 15: it's you know on the other side of the world,

625
00:28:58,573 --> 00:28:58,893
Speaker 15: are we.

626
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Speaker 1: Going to get it?

627
00:28:59,653 --> 00:28:59,853
Speaker 2: Yeah?

628
00:29:00,653 --> 00:29:03,293
Speaker 4: Not the only thing I think with if they have

629
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Speaker 4: a different sound for something that's not so serious. There

630
00:29:07,293 --> 00:29:09,133
Speaker 4: most people when they hear you are a little nice

631
00:29:09,173 --> 00:29:11,773
Speaker 4: jingle and it's it's not an emergency, but something that

632
00:29:11,853 --> 00:29:14,733
Speaker 4: you need to know. Then the past maturity I think

633
00:29:14,733 --> 00:29:16,573
Speaker 4: would just say, oh, I don't need to worry about that.

634
00:29:16,853 --> 00:29:18,333
Speaker 4: They only worry when it's the Bismarck.

635
00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:21,413
Speaker 7: Well, everybody gets them.

636
00:29:21,573 --> 00:29:23,533
Speaker 15: They have a little their phone down there, whether it's

637
00:29:23,533 --> 00:29:26,013
Speaker 15: a text message or someone someone sending some of the

638
00:29:26,093 --> 00:29:28,613
Speaker 15: Facebook messengers. If you're hear and think they're gonna look

639
00:29:28,613 --> 00:29:35,213
Speaker 15: at their phone. But yeah, it's a more serious you know,

640
00:29:35,293 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 15: if there was, if there was a more of a

641
00:29:40,133 --> 00:29:42,853
Speaker 15: massive alert tone out there. And as a guy a

642
00:29:42,893 --> 00:29:45,613
Speaker 15: couple of callars ago said, if they you know the

643
00:29:45,693 --> 00:29:48,853
Speaker 15: civil events were and you know they put out the asirums,

644
00:29:48,893 --> 00:29:50,853
Speaker 15: a lot of them are actually taking the assirums down.

645
00:29:51,733 --> 00:29:54,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, Brent, great thoughts, I mean that's not great, is it?

646
00:29:54,413 --> 00:29:54,813
Speaker 7: No?

647
00:29:54,813 --> 00:29:55,253
Speaker 3: No, it's not.

648
00:29:56,053 --> 00:29:57,893
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, why don't we all agree we

649
00:29:57,933 --> 00:30:00,133
Speaker 2: need tsunami sirens and key places.

650
00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:02,333
Speaker 3: I think could be no argument there. Thanks for you call,

651
00:30:02,373 --> 00:30:04,773
Speaker 3: Brett yep. Right, We've got to play some messages. But

652
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Speaker 3: when we come back. Someone who's just text in he

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Speaker 3: was around the cabinet when the system was established. Steven Joyce. Ah,

654
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Speaker 3: so we're going to have a chat with Steven Joyce,

655
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Speaker 3: former National Party MP, finance minister. Very very talented man.

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Speaker 2: Write a great book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely great book. We're going to catch up with

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Speaker 4: him next. It is seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Said, be very good afternoon. We are talking about the

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Speaker 4: emergency alert system. So someone who just texts through. He

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Speaker 4: is a former National MP and minister and he was

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Speaker 4: around the cabinet table when this emergency alert system was established.

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Speaker 4: His name is Steven Joyce and joins us on the line. Now, Steven,

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Speaker 4: good afternoon.

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Speaker 17: Good guys, how are you very good?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. So was the setup because the

670
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Speaker 2: technology became available to hit everyone's phone with an emergency alert?

671
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Speaker 2: Is that that what motivated the setup It became.

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Speaker 17: Available, and of course at the moment became available, the

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Speaker 17: officials thought it was a good idea and minister at

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Speaker 17: the time was the late Nikki Kay and she has

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Speaker 17: a great Minister of Civil Defense and she was on everything,

676
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Speaker 17: and Nikki was very keen. But it is fair to

677
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Speaker 17: say there was a lot of discussion around the cabin

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Speaker 17: table about the potential for Mission creep. You know, the

679
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Speaker 17: whole idea was it was it at be a for

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Speaker 17: a life threatening situation where people needed to know to

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Speaker 17: do something to save their own lives. And I think,

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Speaker 17: you know, this is the amount of time it's getting

683
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Speaker 17: used is probably no surprise to those of us that

684
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Speaker 17: were a bit worried that it would. It would give

685
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Speaker 17: Mission creep over time and potentially therefore lose its effect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what is the threshold to send it out

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Speaker 2: if it hasn't changed since your time? And who actually

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Speaker 2: makes that decision?

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Speaker 17: I think it has been changing. It's sort of made

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Speaker 17: by Civil Defense. But as you can see, there has

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Speaker 17: been other instances and COVID was probably the first one

692
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Speaker 17: where it became more of a sort of public notice

693
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Speaker 17: public information system for a while there, which I think

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Speaker 17: I would require government sign off, And of course at

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Speaker 17: that time, you know, everybody was pretty naturally enough obsessed

696
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Speaker 17: about all that, so there was a lot of things

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Speaker 17: that were changed and used in different ways of what

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Speaker 17: they were attended during that time. But then you go

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Speaker 17: on to missing people like the lady in christ Church,

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Speaker 17: and it worked in that situation, but that really wasn't

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Speaker 17: what it was intended to do. And obviously that's a

702
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Speaker 17: decision for somebody other than for all defense, because I'm

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Speaker 17: not involved in things like that. And then you get

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Speaker 17: sort of localized rain for which we had here on

705
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Speaker 17: the North Shore just a couple of weeks back, where

706
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Speaker 17: you get a warning that it could be flooding, and

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Speaker 17: it's like, well, you know, and I think there is

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Speaker 17: a real risk of fatigue with it ignoring it. And

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Speaker 17: even yesterday, actually I was at a meeting when the

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Speaker 17: first one came through and everybody's phones went off at

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Speaker 17: the same time, and there was about eight people in

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Speaker 17: the room and of them probably two thirds like oh god,

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Speaker 17: what now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, was the consideration at the time, Stephen. For

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Speaker 4: levels of alert. There's been a lot of discussion this

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Speaker 4: morning about having some sort of different tone if it

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Speaker 4: was something like we got yesterday in this morning, that

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Speaker 4: it's a warning rather than get out of the house

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Speaker 4: now or hunker down. Was there any of those discussions

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Speaker 4: that took place.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think there may have been, but not formally,

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Speaker 17: because where you end up with as if there's a

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Speaker 17: softer alert, let's say, whether then they just use it

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Speaker 17: more right son, Then it becomes a situation where the

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Speaker 17: government is effectively using using a sort of national alert system, which,

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Speaker 17: let's face it is quite an intrusion on people's lives.

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Speaker 17: You can debate the noise and all that sort of stuff,

728
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Speaker 17: but at the end of the day, it grabs their

729
00:33:56,013 --> 00:34:02,493
Speaker 17: attention and so one level it's quite big brotherish and

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Speaker 17: the idea that you know, you should be providing just

731
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Speaker 17: sort of general useful, helpful safety tips through these through

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Speaker 17: these systems, I think has gone.

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Speaker 7: A bit far.

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Speaker 17: Probably for most people. I suppose the risk is that

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Speaker 17: if you had a softer alert, then it would just

736
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Speaker 17: get used even more for those for those situations, And

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Speaker 17: I think probably the real question for governments is under

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Speaker 17: what circumstances should it be used and to understand there

739
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Speaker 17: is a risk that if you use it too often,

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Speaker 17: you've got to keep people safe. And I'm certainly not

741
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Speaker 17: arguing they shouldn't be using it in yesterday's event. I

742
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Speaker 17: think they should have by all means put one out.

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Speaker 17: I'm just saying that some of some people's reactions to

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Speaker 17: that will be in the fact that you know, they

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Speaker 17: got one for rainfall a week and a half ago,

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Speaker 17: and then there was a test a couple of weeks

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Speaker 17: before that, and then they get another one at six

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Speaker 17: City this morning, and I sort of think, yeah, you've

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Speaker 17: sort of you are at risk of overdoing it, which

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Speaker 17: was always the potential risk.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that we are It's symptomatic of a

752
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Speaker 2: society that's becoming too safe and courtious? Is this Texas?

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Speaker 5: Is Hi?

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Speaker 2: Guys? This the problem with health and safety in New

755
00:35:09,733 --> 00:35:11,693
Speaker 2: Zealand has reached the stage where most of it is

756
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Speaker 2: just butt covering just in case. He goes on to say,

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Speaker 2: but there is just this feeling that I get when

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Speaker 2: when the thing beeps, as I keep saying this hour,

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00:35:21,013 --> 00:35:23,133
Speaker 2: repeating myself, where I just thought, I bet that's nothing.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we do.

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Speaker 17: Have that the boy who cried Wolf scenario, right, that's

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Speaker 17: a risk. But yeah, I mean, well, people do expect

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Speaker 17: to be warned about things. I mean, imagine if imagine

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Speaker 17: if if you didn't put an alert out and then

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Speaker 17: there was a big sun army and people died. Then

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Speaker 17: it's understandable. And in that situation that the you know

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Speaker 17: that the officials will want to be on the side

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Speaker 17: of caution.

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Speaker 2: But there has to be a line somewhere and someone

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00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:55,813
Speaker 2: has to pick it, right, someone has somebody has to.

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Speaker 17: Pick the line, and I think probably it's right to

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Speaker 17: pick the line that you know, if there is a

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Speaker 17: risk of lots of life. But somebody else needs to

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00:36:04,653 --> 00:36:07,453
Speaker 17: have the cold head and say, you know, we've we've

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Speaker 17: got to be careful that we're not going to over

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Speaker 17: use us saying to the point where it stops being

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Speaker 17: effective and just just upsets people.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for talking to us. I've

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Speaker 2: ever talked to you, Stephen Joyce. I was going to

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00:36:17,413 --> 00:36:19,733
Speaker 2: say I enjoyed your book on the record, but I

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00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:21,493
Speaker 2: think that you need to write another book that's the

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Speaker 2: all of radio, because the chapters on radio were so interesting.

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Speaker 2: I've been in radio for years and I didn't know

784
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Speaker 2: that history. But it's an incredible times.

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Speaker 17: Someone well less you know, I'm probably a little bit

786
00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:35,853
Speaker 17: busy at the moment that you're familiar with.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, very true. Work out three hundred pages on

788
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Speaker 2: radio in the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Stephen.

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Speaker 4: Great to catch up, Thank you very much, and very

791
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Speaker 4: good to get his perspective being round that kebnet table,

792
00:36:48,213 --> 00:36:50,253
Speaker 4: which is interesting because, as he said, they were worried

793
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Speaker 4: about Mission creep and being overused, which leads credence to

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Speaker 4: your thoughts that it has been overused and there may

795
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Speaker 4: be a lot of people out there that just aren't

796
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Speaker 4: paying attention.

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Speaker 2: And secondary point, the history of radio and New Zealand

798
00:37:02,493 --> 00:37:06,453
Speaker 2: is incredibly interesting, especially the move from you into private

799
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Speaker 2: private stations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great stuff, and you've lived some of that. Oh

801
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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

802
00:37:11,573 --> 00:37:12,772
Speaker 3: It is eight to two.

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Speaker 1: Matd Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talk said, be.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoons you it is five to two. So

807
00:37:28,573 --> 00:37:32,293
Speaker 4: I've had so many texts come through about any changes

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Speaker 4: potentially that we need for the emergency alert system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just saying that. Look, when it came through,

810
00:37:37,973 --> 00:37:40,493
Speaker 2: I was sure it wouldn't be much. And maybe that's

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Speaker 2: a failing for me. But this text has taken a

812
00:37:43,373 --> 00:37:46,573
Speaker 2: very dim view of my attitude. Okay, at Heath, I

813
00:37:46,613 --> 00:37:48,373
Speaker 2: hope you don't check the next one and pay the

814
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Speaker 2: ultimate price. People like you have blood on your hands.

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Speaker 2: Shame on you. I really hope you drown or worse. Wow,

816
00:37:56,813 --> 00:37:59,333
Speaker 2: what's worse than drowning? I guess burning alive in lava?

817
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, both of those would would suck.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, if I'm going to go down, I

819
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Speaker 2: think i'd write I don't want to burn alive in lava. No.

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Speaker 4: No, you preferred drowning over that. But that's a weird

821
00:38:08,413 --> 00:38:10,933
Speaker 4: thing to say. This is a good ticks here. Getay, guys,

822
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Speaker 4: welcome to the She'll be right, New Zealand. Bloody boomers

823
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Speaker 4: people would be winging this morning if we didn't get

824
00:38:16,933 --> 00:38:20,053
Speaker 4: any alerts warning of potential days dangers when you were

825
00:38:20,133 --> 00:38:22,213
Speaker 4: digging your family and friends out of the mud and

826
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Speaker 4: pulling them out of the water. I'm glad we got

827
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Speaker 4: the advisory and we're safe. Nothing is perfect. Let's praise

828
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:30,733
Speaker 4: authorities and let them do what they do. Your idea

829
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Speaker 4: of having two different alerts sounds like it potentially could work.

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Speaker 3: But wise up from John.

831
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Speaker 2: Okay, wise up?

832
00:38:38,253 --> 00:38:39,013
Speaker 3: Why is up? Wow?

833
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Speaker 2: First world problems. It's too noisy, get over it. Yeah,

834
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Speaker 2: I mean I do agree with that one. I mean

835
00:38:43,813 --> 00:38:47,613
Speaker 2: people complaining just because it was too noisy. I just

836
00:38:47,973 --> 00:38:49,453
Speaker 2: I just think if you don't get the line right,

837
00:38:50,173 --> 00:38:52,933
Speaker 2: epathy will creep in. Yeah, and people will not take

838
00:38:52,973 --> 00:38:55,333
Speaker 2: these warnings seriously. They won't check them. They'll stay stay

839
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Speaker 2: with the potatoes.

840
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Speaker 3: Just think the potatoes are important.

841
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:02,133
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'll just do five more potatoes for a

842
00:39:02,213 --> 00:39:04,293
Speaker 2: check that because the last one wasn't anything.

843
00:39:04,493 --> 00:39:05,293
Speaker 3: Great discussion.

844
00:39:05,333 --> 00:39:07,413
Speaker 4: Thank you very much to everyone who called antext on

845
00:39:07,453 --> 00:39:08,933
Speaker 4: that coming up after two o'clock.

846
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:10,653
Speaker 2: Even thank you to the person that wanted me to drown.

847
00:39:11,093 --> 00:39:13,652
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, even then they caused them twenty cents to

848
00:39:13,693 --> 00:39:17,093
Speaker 3: throw a saving even you. Yep, we'll take your money.

849
00:39:17,453 --> 00:39:20,453
Speaker 4: Coming up after two o'clock, a convicted drug dealer who

850
00:39:20,573 --> 00:39:24,533
Speaker 4: use Facebook to sell drugs says it's super easy. So

851
00:39:24,573 --> 00:39:26,853
Speaker 4: we want to have a chat about selling drugs weapons

852
00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:28,213
Speaker 4: tases on Facebook.

853
00:39:28,213 --> 00:39:30,252
Speaker 3: If you've come across it. Oh wait, undred and eighty

854
00:39:30,293 --> 00:39:32,333
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. We got news

855
00:39:32,373 --> 00:39:35,013
Speaker 3: coming up next. Great to have your company as always.

856
00:39:35,013 --> 00:39:37,613
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

857
00:39:42,173 --> 00:39:45,973
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons US Talks.

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Speaker 10: It be.

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Speaker 4: Very very good afternoons. You is seeven pass too. Great

861
00:39:53,093 --> 00:39:55,373
Speaker 4: to have your company as always.

862
00:39:56,053 --> 00:39:59,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's put the emergency alerts to bed and freak

863
00:39:59,973 --> 00:40:02,732
Speaker 2: out about Facebook. A convicted drug dealer has said getting

864
00:40:02,773 --> 00:40:07,853
Speaker 2: drugs and weapons is super easy on Facebook. Cocaine, ecstasy, mdumay, weed, guns,

865
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Speaker 2: even tasers, tiler, which was.

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Speaker 3: News to well music to your ears. I've got to say,

867
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Speaker 3: I mean I've been looking to get a taser. We've

868
00:40:14,893 --> 00:40:16,573
Speaker 3: been talking about that for ages. We've been trying to

869
00:40:16,613 --> 00:40:19,093
Speaker 3: hunt down a taser, homemade taser, I don't know.

870
00:40:19,213 --> 00:40:22,493
Speaker 2: I mean killing a vigilantical taser man that goes out

871
00:40:22,493 --> 00:40:24,373
Speaker 2: at night, just tasering people.

872
00:40:24,733 --> 00:40:27,533
Speaker 3: Please please do that. I will pay you good money.

873
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:30,773
Speaker 2: To not sure who people and discretions.

874
00:40:30,893 --> 00:40:33,732
Speaker 3: That guy in the redot would be suspect number one.

875
00:40:34,093 --> 00:40:35,413
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is going to be a good one.

876
00:40:35,453 --> 00:40:38,853
Speaker 4: So this convicted drug dealer said it was super easy

877
00:40:38,893 --> 00:40:41,933
Speaker 4: to be able to sell these products on Facebook, and

878
00:40:41,973 --> 00:40:45,053
Speaker 4: effectively Meta is letting these sellers get away with blue murder.

879
00:40:45,373 --> 00:40:47,933
Speaker 3: But I'm as reading this story, and it's easy for

880
00:40:47,973 --> 00:40:51,133
Speaker 3: him to say it's super simple to sell drugs. But

881
00:40:51,453 --> 00:40:51,933
Speaker 3: I don't know.

882
00:40:52,293 --> 00:40:54,893
Speaker 4: I mean, I have never seen anyone try and shift

883
00:40:54,933 --> 00:40:59,293
Speaker 4: any drugs on Facebook on Instagram. I've never as far

884
00:40:59,333 --> 00:41:01,293
Speaker 4: as I know, I don't anybody.

885
00:41:01,293 --> 00:41:03,213
Speaker 2: That's so you're saying the subject we're talking about is

886
00:41:03,253 --> 00:41:03,652
Speaker 2: in the thing.

887
00:41:03,973 --> 00:41:06,053
Speaker 4: No, but I wonder. I mean, I'm just not in

888
00:41:06,133 --> 00:41:07,533
Speaker 4: these dark places of Facebook.

889
00:41:07,533 --> 00:41:08,093
Speaker 3: Are they really dark?

890
00:41:08,133 --> 00:41:08,413
Speaker 7: Play?

891
00:41:08,653 --> 00:41:12,172
Speaker 3: But I would readily omit. I'm pretty naive about these things.

892
00:41:12,213 --> 00:41:16,773
Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely possible to buy drugs on the dark web,

893
00:41:17,293 --> 00:41:19,533
Speaker 2: so this is just a little bit of a lighter

894
00:41:19,613 --> 00:41:21,732
Speaker 2: version than dark Web. I mean, you know, why would

895
00:41:21,773 --> 00:41:23,733
Speaker 2: this convict the drug dealer say that you can If

896
00:41:23,813 --> 00:41:28,293
Speaker 2: you can't, I can see it. I think people are

897
00:41:28,373 --> 00:41:30,293
Speaker 2: quite brazen about this kind of thing now. I think

898
00:41:30,333 --> 00:41:36,013
Speaker 2: people assume that police won't bother investigating. I think people

899
00:41:36,093 --> 00:41:39,693
Speaker 2: just think that that society has moved on and then

900
00:41:39,693 --> 00:41:41,813
Speaker 2: we don't really care about a class drugs in the

901
00:41:41,853 --> 00:41:44,133
Speaker 2: same way as we did. Having said that, Tyler, I

902
00:41:45,093 --> 00:41:48,692
Speaker 2: just searched on my Facebook account, so maybe I will

903
00:41:48,693 --> 00:41:50,973
Speaker 2: see if the cops turn up any second, can I

904
00:41:50,973 --> 00:41:52,013
Speaker 2: buy cocaine? Please?

905
00:41:52,293 --> 00:41:52,573
Speaker 3: Okay?

906
00:41:52,693 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 2: So I texted that, and I mean I put that

907
00:41:54,853 --> 00:41:57,172
Speaker 2: into the search engine and this is what came up.

908
00:41:58,133 --> 00:42:00,413
Speaker 2: If you see the sale of drugs, please report it.

909
00:42:00,573 --> 00:42:03,413
Speaker 2: We remove content that doesn't follow our community standards. If

910
00:42:03,453 --> 00:42:06,373
Speaker 2: you or someone you know struggles with substance misuse, free

911
00:42:06,653 --> 00:42:12,053
Speaker 2: confidential treatment and information are available. And look, you know,

912
00:42:12,093 --> 00:42:14,773
Speaker 2: when you look at this, you know, you know, you

913
00:42:14,813 --> 00:42:17,293
Speaker 2: say that they don't do it. But in the story

914
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:19,853
Speaker 2: that I'm looking at here there's pictures of people selling

915
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:21,933
Speaker 2: drugs online.

916
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:24,773
Speaker 4: Right yep, cocaine from anywhere for one hundred and fifty

917
00:42:24,773 --> 00:42:28,613
Speaker 4: bucks to fourteen hundred bucks. Gas fee applies out of Mungarty,

918
00:42:28,733 --> 00:42:31,133
Speaker 4: so he actually does drop offs and if you're outside

919
00:42:31,173 --> 00:42:32,893
Speaker 4: of Mungety then you've got to pay some gas money.

920
00:42:32,973 --> 00:42:33,453
Speaker 3: MDMA.

921
00:42:34,533 --> 00:42:38,773
Speaker 2: I like that this drug dealer is. But this it

922
00:42:38,813 --> 00:42:40,813
Speaker 2: sounds like he's not making a huge amount of money

923
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:42,853
Speaker 2: because when you think about a drug dally, think about

924
00:42:42,853 --> 00:42:46,533
Speaker 2: them driving Bentley's, you know, living in flash pads by

925
00:42:46,573 --> 00:42:48,173
Speaker 2: the beach. Because they're making so much money. But this

926
00:42:48,213 --> 00:42:50,652
Speaker 2: guy cares about gas money, so at least he's not

927
00:42:50,653 --> 00:42:51,133
Speaker 2: making a lot.

928
00:42:51,213 --> 00:42:53,172
Speaker 4: He knows his outgoings and he's got to cover those

929
00:42:53,333 --> 00:42:56,533
Speaker 4: MDMA one hundred and twenty bucks to six hundred bucks.

930
00:42:56,773 --> 00:42:58,573
Speaker 4: So they've got the eight ball there. And again I'm

931
00:42:58,613 --> 00:43:00,573
Speaker 4: naive here, I don't actually know what an eight ball is.

932
00:43:00,613 --> 00:43:04,613
Speaker 4: But so all sorts of amounts of drugs can be purchased,

933
00:43:04,613 --> 00:43:06,733
Speaker 4: and as the drug dealers is pretty readily. And then

934
00:43:06,773 --> 00:43:09,453
Speaker 4: as you mentioned those three D guns and dasers as well,

935
00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:13,973
Speaker 4: So I eight hundred eighty ten to eighty when you

936
00:43:14,173 --> 00:43:17,013
Speaker 4: suitch for that in Meta, and of course Meta was

937
00:43:17,013 --> 00:43:18,533
Speaker 4: going to say what they just said there, But it

938
00:43:18,573 --> 00:43:20,813
Speaker 4: wasn't a hard no, was it. It was effectively, if

939
00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:22,893
Speaker 4: you see these things, you should dB it in and

940
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:25,173
Speaker 4: whether we take it down don't know. That's up to

941
00:43:25,213 --> 00:43:26,093
Speaker 4: an AI bot.

942
00:43:25,853 --> 00:43:26,253
Speaker 7: To do that.

943
00:43:26,573 --> 00:43:28,893
Speaker 2: Okay, Tyler, this person is pushing back from the police.

944
00:43:28,933 --> 00:43:31,773
Speaker 2: The are very common. I work for the police. We

945
00:43:31,813 --> 00:43:35,093
Speaker 2: see it all the time. There we were buying a

946
00:43:35,173 --> 00:43:37,053
Speaker 2: class drugs off Facebook.

947
00:43:37,133 --> 00:43:40,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am a Pollyanna. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

948
00:43:40,333 --> 00:43:43,333
Speaker 4: How we easy is it to get these drugs off Facebook?

949
00:43:43,373 --> 00:43:46,133
Speaker 4: Do you know people that have been buying these drugs

950
00:43:46,253 --> 00:43:48,053
Speaker 4: or who are selling these drugs? Oh eight hundred eighty

951
00:43:48,053 --> 00:43:49,293
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call?

952
00:43:49,453 --> 00:43:53,093
Speaker 2: How easy is it to buy drugs? Generally speaking? How

953
00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:55,333
Speaker 2: easy is it to just to get your hands on

954
00:43:55,773 --> 00:44:01,573
Speaker 2: what you want MDMA, cocaine, XC weed, guns, tases? How

955
00:44:01,573 --> 00:44:05,212
Speaker 2: hard is it you give us a call in secrecy?

956
00:44:05,373 --> 00:44:07,013
Speaker 4: This is going to be a great conversation. Oh, eight

957
00:44:07,133 --> 00:44:09,053
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call.

958
00:44:09,133 --> 00:44:11,613
Speaker 3: Let's get into it. It is eleven past two.

959
00:44:11,533 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 2: Nob and I'm not seeing any of you a link.

960
00:44:15,293 --> 00:44:19,453
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

961
00:44:19,653 --> 00:44:22,693
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk, ZI, be.

962
00:44:24,653 --> 00:44:27,693
Speaker 4: Very good afternoon. It is fourteen past two. How easy

963
00:44:27,733 --> 00:44:29,613
Speaker 4: is it to get a hold of drugs and guns

964
00:44:29,613 --> 00:44:31,973
Speaker 4: and tases on social media? Or a great story in

965
00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:35,293
Speaker 4: the Herald today and judging by the text, it seems

966
00:44:35,333 --> 00:44:38,173
Speaker 4: to be fairly common out there in the community that

967
00:44:38,213 --> 00:44:39,333
Speaker 4: it is incredibly easy.

968
00:44:40,333 --> 00:44:42,733
Speaker 2: Today's topic sounds like the lyrics from that Queens of

969
00:44:42,773 --> 00:44:45,013
Speaker 2: the Stone Age song feel Goodhead of the Summer. That

970
00:44:45,093 --> 00:44:47,293
Speaker 2: is a great song. That is a great jazy marijuana

971
00:44:47,693 --> 00:44:51,333
Speaker 2: man Buggingcaine.

972
00:44:51,653 --> 00:44:55,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, text Rod, How are you doing great?

973
00:44:55,933 --> 00:44:56,653
Speaker 16: How are you guys?

974
00:44:56,773 --> 00:44:59,813
Speaker 8: You've got the brilliant show boys, a brilliant show anyway.

975
00:45:00,013 --> 00:45:02,573
Speaker 8: But look, I'm just going to say that, being old

976
00:45:02,573 --> 00:45:08,212
Speaker 8: school and ancient back in the day, I'm talking the seventies, yes,

977
00:45:08,693 --> 00:45:11,453
Speaker 8: knew who you were buying your asset off. You know,

978
00:45:11,453 --> 00:45:15,653
Speaker 8: if you're getting Green Dragon blotters or you know, mister

979
00:45:15,773 --> 00:45:20,212
Speaker 8: Natural Blotters or doom Dots or whatever, you knew who

980
00:45:20,293 --> 00:45:25,213
Speaker 8: you were dealing with. So you know, it was a

981
00:45:25,253 --> 00:45:31,373
Speaker 8: totally different landscape. And I think I'm surprised, to be honest,

982
00:45:31,413 --> 00:45:36,413
Speaker 8: about Facebook. Maybe I'm naive, but I left my Facebook

983
00:45:36,413 --> 00:45:40,693
Speaker 8: a number of years ago. But yeah, people don't know

984
00:45:40,733 --> 00:45:43,933
Speaker 8: what they're going to be getting, and they're always going

985
00:45:44,013 --> 00:45:48,373
Speaker 8: to get it. I mean, no matter what the law provides,

986
00:45:48,733 --> 00:45:51,453
Speaker 8: there's always going to be people out there buying drugs.

987
00:45:51,613 --> 00:45:56,573
Speaker 8: And it's just I think it's out of control now.

988
00:45:56,973 --> 00:46:02,093
Speaker 8: I think, you know, with you know, with digital sort

989
00:46:02,133 --> 00:46:06,173
Speaker 8: of stuff, you can get around all sorts of corners

990
00:46:06,253 --> 00:46:11,333
Speaker 8: and it's a bit frightening really because you know, the young,

991
00:46:11,493 --> 00:46:14,692
Speaker 8: I mean grandkids and I hate them to be doing

992
00:46:14,733 --> 00:46:17,453
Speaker 8: that sort of stuff, But I think, yeah, I think

993
00:46:18,493 --> 00:46:22,533
Speaker 8: things have radically changed and it'd be good to see

994
00:46:22,573 --> 00:46:26,413
Speaker 8: it lockdown and canceled.

995
00:46:25,893 --> 00:46:27,653
Speaker 15: Out that I dealt whether it.

996
00:46:28,053 --> 00:46:31,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I mean they get through corners. Yeah, well

997
00:46:31,333 --> 00:46:33,133
Speaker 2: it's hard to go. I mean that's the whole problem

998
00:46:33,133 --> 00:46:35,573
Speaker 2: with Facebook, isn't it. You know, there's no number to call,

999
00:46:35,693 --> 00:46:38,973
Speaker 2: there's no there's no contact in contact in New Zealand.

1000
00:46:39,173 --> 00:46:40,573
Speaker 2: Now I've got to ask the question, right, were you

1001
00:46:40,693 --> 00:46:42,133
Speaker 2: happy in the seventies.

1002
00:46:42,493 --> 00:46:45,093
Speaker 8: I was a hippie in the seventies. Yes, I've done

1003
00:46:45,133 --> 00:46:46,893
Speaker 8: a lot of acid and you know, and sort of

1004
00:46:47,173 --> 00:46:50,853
Speaker 8: listened to the grateful bed still day I did, and

1005
00:46:51,933 --> 00:46:55,013
Speaker 8: you know, but I'm and do that sort of stuff

1006
00:46:55,013 --> 00:47:00,172
Speaker 8: these days, and I'm thankful that I've sort of got

1007
00:47:00,213 --> 00:47:00,893
Speaker 8: through that stuff.

1008
00:47:01,093 --> 00:47:03,773
Speaker 2: Do you think when do you think acid sets on

1009
00:47:04,013 --> 00:47:06,893
Speaker 2: terms of you know, because everyone lumps drugs together, but

1010
00:47:06,893 --> 00:47:10,573
Speaker 2: they're very different. The difference between ethanphetamine, cocaine M D

1011
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:14,333
Speaker 2: M A and acid, they're they're wildly different drugs. So

1012
00:47:14,333 --> 00:47:16,172
Speaker 2: where do you think acid sits on the risk?

1013
00:47:16,493 --> 00:47:21,212
Speaker 8: Well, acid sits there with like psilocybin, mushrooms, I think

1014
00:47:21,293 --> 00:47:25,013
Speaker 8: and MDMA being an empathy you know what, they call it,

1015
00:47:25,053 --> 00:47:29,933
Speaker 8: an empathygen I think those, you know, reasonably benign unless

1016
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:33,853
Speaker 8: you've got mental illness and issues. But the rest of

1017
00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:38,893
Speaker 8: the stuff, like meth and heroin and stuff like that, Yeah,

1018
00:47:38,973 --> 00:47:44,252
Speaker 8: that's bad shit, you know. And I think I don't

1019
00:47:44,293 --> 00:47:49,293
Speaker 8: think there's enough sort of you know, sort of separation.

1020
00:47:50,053 --> 00:47:50,253
Speaker 8: You know.

1021
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:51,693
Speaker 2: They a lot of the.

1022
00:47:53,373 --> 00:47:57,453
Speaker 8: Media and people who don't understand that sort of area

1023
00:47:58,053 --> 00:47:59,573
Speaker 8: just lump everything together.

1024
00:47:59,893 --> 00:48:00,093
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1025
00:48:00,133 --> 00:48:01,853
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a huge problem. And it

1026
00:48:01,893 --> 00:48:06,172
Speaker 2: also loses credibility because someone who's taken mushrooms knows that

1027
00:48:06,253 --> 00:48:10,573
Speaker 2: it is not meth and fetamine. They know a totally

1028
00:48:10,693 --> 00:48:11,373
Speaker 2: different thing.

1029
00:48:11,853 --> 00:48:15,732
Speaker 8: And look, Matt, have you read the latest Norman over book.

1030
00:48:17,773 --> 00:48:19,573
Speaker 2: I interviewed him about it. What is it called a

1031
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:20,133
Speaker 2: Norman Olive?

1032
00:48:20,693 --> 00:48:25,053
Speaker 8: I know, I remember you interviewing him about Blitzed.

1033
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:26,573
Speaker 18: It's called Tripped.

1034
00:48:26,973 --> 00:48:28,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have read Tripped, and that's about That's

1035
00:48:28,693 --> 00:48:33,253
Speaker 2: about the experiments on on l Yeah.

1036
00:48:32,333 --> 00:48:37,533
Speaker 8: You know, he's a fine writer and investigator. Yeah, But

1037
00:48:37,613 --> 00:48:39,853
Speaker 8: that's all I've got to say is I think it's

1038
00:48:39,893 --> 00:48:44,933
Speaker 8: a very complex problem, you know, And like you say,

1039
00:48:45,053 --> 00:48:48,093
Speaker 8: you guys are saying, I mean, yeah, you can't compare

1040
00:48:48,453 --> 00:48:53,453
Speaker 8: magic mushrooms with heroin or you know, mes and fhetamine

1041
00:48:53,493 --> 00:48:54,253
Speaker 8: and stuff like that.

1042
00:48:54,613 --> 00:48:56,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for you call Rod. Yeah,

1043
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,413
Speaker 2: I mean, if you guys ever get to a chance

1044
00:48:58,453 --> 00:49:00,413
Speaker 2: out there. One of the best books I've ever read

1045
00:49:00,493 --> 00:49:04,093
Speaker 2: is called Blitzed Drugs in Nazi Germany, and it just

1046
00:49:04,133 --> 00:49:09,533
Speaker 2: talks about how addicted to essentially methanphetamine the Nazis were,

1047
00:49:09,573 --> 00:49:12,733
Speaker 2: and that's a lot. What Blit's wright was was just

1048
00:49:12,813 --> 00:49:15,053
Speaker 2: people staying up all night and arriving early, so it

1049
00:49:15,093 --> 00:49:16,693
Speaker 2: seemed like they planned for everyone to arrive at the

1050
00:49:16,733 --> 00:49:20,093
Speaker 2: same time. And Hitler was basically just a massive drug addict.

1051
00:49:20,733 --> 00:49:22,973
Speaker 2: En of it's really good. He's a German writer called

1052
00:49:23,173 --> 00:49:26,493
Speaker 2: Norman Wheeler and he's just a fantastic writer and us

1053
00:49:26,493 --> 00:49:27,133
Speaker 2: like enough to interview.

1054
00:49:27,253 --> 00:49:28,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to check that out. Oh eight one

1055
00:49:28,533 --> 00:49:30,773
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. How

1056
00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:32,773
Speaker 4: easy is it to get a hold of drugs on

1057
00:49:32,813 --> 00:49:36,053
Speaker 4: social media? Love to hear from you. It is nineteen

1058
00:49:36,173 --> 00:49:36,812
Speaker 4: past two.

1059
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:38,853
Speaker 2: This person's buying their drugs on Tinder.

1060
00:49:38,933 --> 00:49:42,213
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, that is next level. We'll give them a

1061
00:49:42,213 --> 00:49:43,733
Speaker 3: call and said we can have a chat to that person.

1062
00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:45,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to date a drug dealer?

1063
00:49:46,093 --> 00:49:48,453
Speaker 3: Some people do? That means what you're into?

1064
00:49:48,493 --> 00:49:50,853
Speaker 2: I reckon it's swipe left on someone on a drug dealer.

1065
00:49:55,693 --> 00:49:59,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1066
00:49:59,133 --> 00:50:01,253
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1067
00:50:01,973 --> 00:50:03,813
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you.

1068
00:50:03,933 --> 00:50:06,652
Speaker 4: Some great texts coming through on how easy it is

1069
00:50:06,693 --> 00:50:08,973
Speaker 4: to buy drugs on social media. Great story in the

1070
00:50:09,013 --> 00:50:12,253
Speaker 4: Herald saying that it is incredibly common. This text here

1071
00:50:12,333 --> 00:50:13,213
Speaker 4: is my whole life.

1072
00:50:13,213 --> 00:50:13,493
Speaker 3: Guys.

1073
00:50:13,533 --> 00:50:16,373
Speaker 4: Cannabis has been a grubby illegal drug. So it's a

1074
00:50:16,413 --> 00:50:18,533
Speaker 4: real mind flip in twenty twenty five to be holding

1075
00:50:18,573 --> 00:50:21,933
Speaker 4: a container of cannabis flower that sees medicine.

1076
00:50:22,653 --> 00:50:26,493
Speaker 2: Stop being so pathetic and alarmist. Who cares where people

1077
00:50:26,533 --> 00:50:29,373
Speaker 2: get their drugs? If you enjoy a class, that's your business.

1078
00:50:29,813 --> 00:50:33,013
Speaker 2: The easier the better. I still at the cash, I

1079
00:50:33,053 --> 00:50:36,613
Speaker 2: still get the cash out of the money machine. It's dodgy,

1080
00:50:36,653 --> 00:50:40,333
Speaker 2: as my accountant keeps asking why all three hundred buck withdrawals.

1081
00:50:40,773 --> 00:50:42,013
Speaker 2: So I botched the reading of that.

1082
00:50:42,413 --> 00:50:44,453
Speaker 3: But that is I mean, that's a party person right there.

1083
00:50:44,613 --> 00:50:47,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is this person right that? You know? People

1084
00:50:47,013 --> 00:50:49,853
Speaker 2: are buying drugs. They always have by bought drugs. People

1085
00:50:49,853 --> 00:50:53,093
Speaker 2: are just freaking out now because it's on Facebook. I mean,

1086
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:55,893
Speaker 2: is that any worse than someone getting cash out and

1087
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:57,133
Speaker 2: meeting a dealer on.

1088
00:50:57,373 --> 00:50:58,973
Speaker 3: The street going to the tunny house?

1089
00:50:59,093 --> 00:51:01,093
Speaker 2: As this is just the new way people are doing it,

1090
00:51:01,173 --> 00:51:02,813
Speaker 2: and someone saying they do it on Tinder as well.

1091
00:51:02,893 --> 00:51:05,493
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, is it really are we just

1092
00:51:05,533 --> 00:51:06,773
Speaker 2: being pathetic and alarmist?

1093
00:51:07,453 --> 00:51:07,773
Speaker 16: John?

1094
00:51:07,893 --> 00:51:09,013
Speaker 2: Welcome to the ship.

1095
00:51:09,893 --> 00:51:13,973
Speaker 7: Well, very good, thank you. Hey.

1096
00:51:14,053 --> 00:51:16,573
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think there's a bit of confusion. So

1097
00:51:17,933 --> 00:51:21,373
Speaker 5: it's not as easy as as you're painting apticates kind of.

1098
00:51:22,733 --> 00:51:26,333
Speaker 5: That's not just jump on marketplace and you'll have instant

1099
00:51:26,373 --> 00:51:31,813
Speaker 5: access to the market of a llegal that's that's on

1100
00:51:32,133 --> 00:51:36,893
Speaker 5: uh they run messenger uh groups, so you've got to

1101
00:51:36,933 --> 00:51:40,533
Speaker 5: get vouched in to these groups and then that's when

1102
00:51:40,533 --> 00:51:44,453
Speaker 5: you have access to anything anything you want.

1103
00:51:44,973 --> 00:51:48,133
Speaker 2: Right, So like a WhatsApp group or a Facebook message

1104
00:51:48,453 --> 00:51:49,493
Speaker 2: that's like encrypted.

1105
00:51:49,733 --> 00:51:54,293
Speaker 5: That's like they say it's encrypto, but I can guarantee

1106
00:51:54,293 --> 00:51:59,373
Speaker 5: you that the police do monitor. But that's that's literally

1107
00:51:59,413 --> 00:52:03,013
Speaker 5: if you've got a friend that's already on this on

1108
00:52:03,173 --> 00:52:07,133
Speaker 5: one of these pages, make there's hundreds of them. You

1109
00:52:07,173 --> 00:52:10,253
Speaker 5: can get anything, right, like you said, you can get

1110
00:52:10,573 --> 00:52:16,252
Speaker 5: we arm cocaine with guns, tasers, man, you can even

1111
00:52:17,653 --> 00:52:20,613
Speaker 5: you can even get like shoppers. They call them shopper pages.

1112
00:52:20,613 --> 00:52:23,333
Speaker 5: So you you send them your list and people go

1113
00:52:23,533 --> 00:52:28,213
Speaker 5: and they get shopping for you at half the price.

1114
00:52:29,733 --> 00:52:32,053
Speaker 2: How do you get shopping for what? Anything?

1115
00:52:32,333 --> 00:52:36,493
Speaker 5: Or for like food, like people call them, people call

1116
00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:40,013
Speaker 5: them meat runs. So they'll say like I want like

1117
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:43,733
Speaker 5: five lands tin roasts and that they they'll they'll go

1118
00:52:43,853 --> 00:52:46,652
Speaker 5: through the run and it'll be like a value of Yeah,

1119
00:52:46,773 --> 00:52:49,013
Speaker 5: they'll be like a value of say a thousand dollars,

1120
00:52:49,453 --> 00:52:52,013
Speaker 5: and then they'll go ad for four hundred and then

1121
00:52:52,933 --> 00:52:54,773
Speaker 5: who wants the job? How do you people?

1122
00:52:54,853 --> 00:52:57,212
Speaker 2: Just how do you get vouched into the situation? How

1123
00:52:57,213 --> 00:53:00,573
Speaker 2: do you get invited into one of these these sort

1124
00:53:00,573 --> 00:53:02,173
Speaker 2: of threads, these checks.

1125
00:53:02,333 --> 00:53:04,493
Speaker 5: So just one of one of your friends just say,

1126
00:53:04,613 --> 00:53:08,053
Speaker 5: like just say, like a followers a final you use

1127
00:53:08,133 --> 00:53:10,933
Speaker 5: got well and I was part of it. I could say,

1128
00:53:11,973 --> 00:53:15,053
Speaker 5: can I add met blah blah blah into this group

1129
00:53:15,093 --> 00:53:17,613
Speaker 5: at dot from and then the admin will go up

1130
00:53:17,613 --> 00:53:20,133
Speaker 5: to sweep and then they'll just the log us in

1131
00:53:20,373 --> 00:53:24,373
Speaker 5: and then many's about them yeah, and you just go

1132
00:53:25,093 --> 00:53:29,413
Speaker 5: you could just okay shopping whatever you need. But like

1133
00:53:29,413 --> 00:53:32,172
Speaker 5: I said, you know, the class is so that's that's easy. Yes,

1134
00:53:32,853 --> 00:53:36,293
Speaker 5: you get the convenience of someone just dropping it off

1135
00:53:36,293 --> 00:53:37,292
Speaker 5: street to your front door.

1136
00:53:37,373 --> 00:53:39,813
Speaker 2: Right, how is it delivered and how do you work

1137
00:53:39,973 --> 00:53:43,173
Speaker 2: work how the conditions of delivery worked out? Because imagine

1138
00:53:43,173 --> 00:53:45,373
Speaker 2: that's that that's the biggest risk for people that are

1139
00:53:45,413 --> 00:53:46,933
Speaker 2: selling it as that point of delivery.

1140
00:53:47,813 --> 00:53:49,613
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then that's where it comes down to a

1141
00:53:49,613 --> 00:53:53,973
Speaker 5: bit of trust. And I've known individuals that only work

1142
00:53:53,973 --> 00:53:57,173
Speaker 5: off certain people online where they've get they've gained a

1143
00:53:57,173 --> 00:54:00,733
Speaker 5: bit of trust online and they'll only use them as

1144
00:54:00,773 --> 00:54:03,733
Speaker 5: their supplies. So what they'll do is that they'll just

1145
00:54:03,813 --> 00:54:06,253
Speaker 5: meet up to say down at the gas station or

1146
00:54:06,293 --> 00:54:09,773
Speaker 5: at the supermarket and the car park and yeah, just

1147
00:54:09,813 --> 00:54:12,453
Speaker 5: do the transaction now. And but you kind of gain

1148
00:54:12,533 --> 00:54:16,613
Speaker 5: trust over over time if you're continuously using I said,

1149
00:54:16,653 --> 00:54:19,893
Speaker 5: an individual, you know, And that's all it comes down

1150
00:54:19,893 --> 00:54:23,093
Speaker 5: to is just building their trust with the individual. And

1151
00:54:23,133 --> 00:54:25,893
Speaker 5: the funny thing is is that these pages have kind

1152
00:54:25,893 --> 00:54:30,493
Speaker 5: of driven the market down. In the weed game, people

1153
00:54:30,573 --> 00:54:33,053
Speaker 5: used to pay three fifty four to fifty got to

1154
00:54:33,093 --> 00:54:35,413
Speaker 5: a point where it's like up to five hundred dollars

1155
00:54:35,413 --> 00:54:37,493
Speaker 5: for an ounce. Man, now you're picking it up for

1156
00:54:37,533 --> 00:54:39,773
Speaker 5: like two hundred bucks, you know, easy. You can pick

1157
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:44,652
Speaker 5: up a pound the weed easy. Yeah, it's just so yeah,

1158
00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:47,293
Speaker 5: but he's said, I think that's yeah. I think that's

1159
00:54:47,333 --> 00:54:51,013
Speaker 5: where the confusion is. What the herald is that this

1160
00:54:51,093 --> 00:54:54,453
Speaker 5: guy that's been convicted saying it's Facebook, he's just relating

1161
00:54:54,933 --> 00:54:59,373
Speaker 5: these messenger groups with Facebook. Obviously they work side by side.

1162
00:54:59,413 --> 00:55:01,413
Speaker 5: So that's where the confusion is.

1163
00:55:01,533 --> 00:55:05,212
Speaker 4: But yeah, so how do you know John that it's

1164
00:55:05,333 --> 00:55:07,253
Speaker 4: not going to be cut with something that if you

1165
00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:09,493
Speaker 4: go into something like co kine or in d m A,

1166
00:55:10,133 --> 00:55:11,973
Speaker 4: that you're getting a product that is not going to

1167
00:55:12,093 --> 00:55:14,253
Speaker 4: have some fillers in it. I suppose that's part of

1168
00:55:14,253 --> 00:55:15,293
Speaker 4: the trust situation.

1169
00:55:16,253 --> 00:55:18,693
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so what you as you you kind of

1170
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:24,053
Speaker 5: see other people giving the mob for so you can

1171
00:55:24,093 --> 00:55:26,573
Speaker 5: ask the question, like you say, just say like if

1172
00:55:26,613 --> 00:55:29,093
Speaker 5: Matt was left the guy and you're just saying you're

1173
00:55:29,133 --> 00:55:31,333
Speaker 5: you're you're Dropper's handle or one of the fatures like

1174
00:55:31,653 --> 00:55:34,853
Speaker 5: help trustworthy as Matt, you know, the hundred percent, and

1175
00:55:34,933 --> 00:55:37,413
Speaker 5: then everyone's just you're just yeah, and then you just

1176
00:55:37,413 --> 00:55:40,053
Speaker 5: see everyone bumping up, you know, they saying giving them

1177
00:55:40,093 --> 00:55:42,093
Speaker 5: the thumbs up. Yet this is good, good, good good.

1178
00:55:42,533 --> 00:55:45,533
Speaker 5: And then you're off and it's have you have.

1179
00:55:45,493 --> 00:55:48,453
Speaker 2: You heard of anyone getting busted, you know and one

1180
00:55:48,453 --> 00:55:48,853
Speaker 2: of these.

1181
00:55:48,733 --> 00:55:52,212
Speaker 5: Groups and all, honestly, no, I haven't heard no one,

1182
00:55:52,293 --> 00:55:55,893
Speaker 5: No one. I've seen I've seen guys on their page

1183
00:55:55,933 --> 00:55:59,812
Speaker 5: for like years, bro like and they're making they're making bank,

1184
00:55:59,933 --> 00:56:03,813
Speaker 5: you know. And yeah, yeah, it's definitely a market you

1185
00:56:03,853 --> 00:56:07,933
Speaker 5: know where it's like I said, it's as convenient as

1186
00:56:08,413 --> 00:56:10,933
Speaker 5: to your front door, you know, and it's the guys

1187
00:56:10,973 --> 00:56:13,453
Speaker 5: will be there quicker than uber. Man. You know, you

1188
00:56:13,773 --> 00:56:17,013
Speaker 5: can order, you can order, you can order a pound

1189
00:56:17,093 --> 00:56:19,933
Speaker 5: a week faster than what you can do a pizza

1190
00:56:20,093 --> 00:56:24,292
Speaker 5: that's not quicker as wow. So yeah, like there's there's

1191
00:56:24,293 --> 00:56:27,252
Speaker 5: any any questions you need to ask, man, I'm I'm

1192
00:56:27,253 --> 00:56:29,533
Speaker 5: more than happy to tell you guys.

1193
00:56:30,133 --> 00:56:32,133
Speaker 2: Good man, thank thank you, thank you, thank you so

1194
00:56:32,213 --> 00:56:34,813
Speaker 2: much for sharing. Have you hid anything around the dark web.

1195
00:56:36,173 --> 00:56:38,533
Speaker 5: That's a whole lot of mumbo jumbo. Man, you know,

1196
00:56:38,733 --> 00:56:42,413
Speaker 5: I've heard, I've heard rumors, I've seen guys activated, But man,

1197
00:56:42,453 --> 00:56:46,373
Speaker 5: that's only if you're looking for like like tanks and

1198
00:56:46,613 --> 00:56:49,013
Speaker 5: you know, crazy crazy stuff. Man, you know what like

1199
00:56:50,013 --> 00:56:54,213
Speaker 5: a python like like that's you know only look, it's

1200
00:56:54,213 --> 00:56:58,533
Speaker 5: only exhumers ever debble into that world. You know. It's

1201
00:56:58,653 --> 00:57:02,133
Speaker 5: uh but like I said, man, these these Messinger pages, Man,

1202
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:05,013
Speaker 5: that's bunkers. You know. It was it was the first

1203
00:57:05,053 --> 00:57:06,133
Speaker 5: time I've seen.

1204
00:57:07,813 --> 00:57:08,933
Speaker 7: So helpers pick.

1205
00:57:09,093 --> 00:57:11,493
Speaker 5: That was the one that really I was like, man,

1206
00:57:11,533 --> 00:57:15,613
Speaker 5: that's what's going on here? You know. But yeah, people

1207
00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:19,013
Speaker 5: will put up a list say like given like toys

1208
00:57:19,013 --> 00:57:21,773
Speaker 5: and stuff will close. So they'll put up a list

1209
00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:24,813
Speaker 5: of clothes and they say, oh, if you can fulfill

1210
00:57:24,893 --> 00:57:27,693
Speaker 5: this order, we will give you five hundred dollars.

1211
00:57:28,093 --> 00:57:31,373
Speaker 4: Were you then, Yeah, this is great chatting with you, John.

1212
00:57:31,413 --> 00:57:34,253
Speaker 4: Would you get into trouble and whether or not you're

1213
00:57:34,293 --> 00:57:36,373
Speaker 4: involved in these groups? But would you get into trouble

1214
00:57:36,413 --> 00:57:38,613
Speaker 4: You're in this group and a mate who's outside and

1215
00:57:38,653 --> 00:57:41,493
Speaker 4: says to your hey, i'd really like some cannabis, so

1216
00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:44,533
Speaker 4: you sort them out through the group and you take

1217
00:57:44,573 --> 00:57:45,693
Speaker 4: a little bit of a cut from him.

1218
00:57:45,693 --> 00:57:48,013
Speaker 3: Would that get you in the in trouble with the group?

1219
00:57:48,853 --> 00:57:52,773
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's literally as long as the main guy gets

1220
00:57:52,773 --> 00:57:57,413
Speaker 5: his his you know, lion's share of the of the building.

1221
00:57:57,653 --> 00:58:01,373
Speaker 5: Whatever you do on the side, that's entirely up to yourself,

1222
00:58:01,453 --> 00:58:03,813
Speaker 5: you know. But nine times out of ten minute is

1223
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:07,013
Speaker 5: so cheap you you really don't need to Yeah, you

1224
00:58:07,093 --> 00:58:09,813
Speaker 5: really don't need to add any fifty and it's not

1225
00:58:09,853 --> 00:58:13,293
Speaker 5: really worth it, you know, Yeah, doing that extra fifty dollars.

1226
00:58:13,333 --> 00:58:16,253
Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's kind of just accepting the

1227
00:58:17,453 --> 00:58:20,093
Speaker 5: price for what it is, you know. And like I said,

1228
00:58:20,173 --> 00:58:22,773
Speaker 5: you know, the market is as rural low at the

1229
00:58:22,773 --> 00:58:24,973
Speaker 5: movement for especially weed.

1230
00:58:25,013 --> 00:58:25,213
Speaker 16: Man.

1231
00:58:25,453 --> 00:58:30,493
Speaker 5: Yes, there is so much out there, there's Yeah, there's

1232
00:58:30,573 --> 00:58:33,773
Speaker 5: just so much out there. The market is as pumping

1233
00:58:33,813 --> 00:58:38,533
Speaker 5: at the moment, and people are lining up to benefit

1234
00:58:38,893 --> 00:58:41,173
Speaker 5: of the off the cheap weed that's sitting up there.

1235
00:58:41,213 --> 00:58:43,493
Speaker 5: Like you're not going to go to somewhere where you're

1236
00:58:43,493 --> 00:58:45,613
Speaker 5: going to pay three hundred and fifty where you can

1237
00:58:45,693 --> 00:58:49,173
Speaker 5: get the exact same quality for two hundred dollars, you know. Yeah,

1238
00:58:49,453 --> 00:58:51,333
Speaker 5: So that's that's just how the market is.

1239
00:58:52,133 --> 00:58:55,533
Speaker 2: Absolutely. But say you're in the script and you're talking

1240
00:58:55,533 --> 00:58:57,973
Speaker 2: about that there's a bit of shoplifting in there. There's

1241
00:58:57,973 --> 00:59:00,013
Speaker 2: there's a bit of cannabis in there. If someone comes

1242
00:59:00,013 --> 00:59:03,733
Speaker 2: in with something that's outrageous, is it limits to it?

1243
00:59:03,813 --> 00:59:04,013
Speaker 18: Is it?

1244
00:59:04,053 --> 00:59:06,173
Speaker 2: You know, as you say, you know the python on

1245
00:59:06,173 --> 00:59:08,493
Speaker 2: the dark came or whatever. But if if you're on

1246
00:59:08,613 --> 00:59:10,133
Speaker 2: one of these chats and someone says I want to

1247
00:59:10,133 --> 00:59:14,293
Speaker 2: buy an automatic rifle, you know, is that is that is?

1248
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:16,773
Speaker 2: That is that just like this is this is this

1249
00:59:16,853 --> 00:59:18,493
Speaker 2: isn't one that this isn't one the chats about.

1250
00:59:18,493 --> 00:59:23,613
Speaker 5: Sorry, No, it's definitely not from the pon. That's that's

1251
00:59:23,653 --> 00:59:29,013
Speaker 5: something that is that's it's normal. They do handguns. I

1252
00:59:29,013 --> 00:59:32,013
Speaker 5: know your taser situation pretty well. How how they get

1253
00:59:32,013 --> 00:59:34,093
Speaker 5: it into New Zealand. They get them shipped straight to

1254
00:59:34,093 --> 00:59:36,533
Speaker 5: your house. That's the funny thing.

1255
00:59:36,813 --> 00:59:38,013
Speaker 7: Like you you you hear all.

1256
00:59:38,013 --> 00:59:41,213
Speaker 5: These stories about the New Zealand police potentially being on

1257
00:59:41,333 --> 00:59:45,733
Speaker 5: top of what these people are doing. But man, I've

1258
00:59:46,773 --> 00:59:49,533
Speaker 5: I've seen it. I've witnessed it happened, and I've seen it.

1259
00:59:49,653 --> 00:59:53,093
Speaker 5: Not just one taser. I've seen someone by like fifty

1260
00:59:53,213 --> 00:59:57,693
Speaker 5: in one job. Yeah, it's it's it's just so easy,

1261
00:59:57,853 --> 01:00:01,133
Speaker 5: you know. But like I said, it comes down to

1262
01:00:01,293 --> 01:00:05,173
Speaker 5: being vulched into these pages. And then once you get

1263
01:00:05,253 --> 01:00:10,493
Speaker 5: vouched and you you you get you get put forward

1264
01:00:10,573 --> 01:00:13,893
Speaker 5: to every other page that gets opened. So if someone

1265
01:00:13,973 --> 01:00:16,933
Speaker 5: opens up the new page, they will take your your

1266
01:00:17,013 --> 01:00:19,893
Speaker 5: your handle over to the new pages, so on and

1267
01:00:19,933 --> 01:00:25,013
Speaker 5: so on so on, and then you're constantly getting added

1268
01:00:25,053 --> 01:00:28,333
Speaker 5: to all these different Facebook for please messinger groups.

1269
01:00:28,413 --> 01:00:32,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, John, so yeah, fascinating to chat with you. Thank

1270
01:00:32,293 --> 01:00:33,973
Speaker 4: you very much for giving us a buzz and giving

1271
01:00:34,053 --> 01:00:34,613
Speaker 4: us some insight.

1272
01:00:35,413 --> 01:00:40,013
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, that's us. Just yeah, that's the guy that

1273
01:00:40,293 --> 01:00:42,893
Speaker 5: being just opened it up to the new jail and

1274
01:00:43,013 --> 01:00:45,293
Speaker 5: ural other budget. I'm as ring up to you.

1275
01:00:46,133 --> 01:00:49,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, good on you, Thank you very much, fellows. Yeah,

1276
01:00:49,773 --> 01:00:51,293
Speaker 4: you have a good afternoon man. I eight one hundred

1277
01:00:51,453 --> 01:00:55,333
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. So is what John just said true?

1278
01:00:55,333 --> 01:00:58,093
Speaker 4: If you're in those groups or you've gone through those

1279
01:00:58,133 --> 01:00:59,533
Speaker 4: groups before, I'd love to hear from you.

1280
01:00:59,693 --> 01:01:00,493
Speaker 7: Is it that easy? O?

1281
01:01:00,573 --> 01:01:02,133
Speaker 3: Waighte hundred eighty ten eighty.

1282
01:01:02,133 --> 01:01:04,733
Speaker 2: Does it concern you? Yeah? Does that freak you out?

1283
01:01:04,893 --> 01:01:05,093
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1284
01:01:05,253 --> 01:01:07,013
Speaker 3: Give us a buzz? I waighte hundred eighteen eighty is

1285
01:01:07,053 --> 01:01:09,053
Speaker 3: the number of cool headlines with Ray coming.

1286
01:01:08,893 --> 01:01:14,773
Speaker 14: Up new talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis.

1287
01:01:14,933 --> 01:01:18,293
Speaker 14: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The US embassies

1288
01:01:18,333 --> 01:01:22,773
Speaker 14: confirmed FBI Director Cash Patel is opening a law enforcement

1289
01:01:22,893 --> 01:01:26,373
Speaker 14: Attache office in Wellington. Patel was spotted arriving in the

1290
01:01:26,413 --> 01:01:31,533
Speaker 14: Beehive yesterday ahead of today's announcement. The Solomon Islands Prime

1291
01:01:31,573 --> 01:01:36,253
Speaker 14: Minister has been formally welcome to New Zealand. Jeremiah Manale

1292
01:01:36,493 --> 01:01:40,253
Speaker 14: met with Prime Minister Chris Luxen this morning. New Zealand's

1293
01:01:40,253 --> 01:01:44,133
Speaker 14: tsunami alert applies until at least three o'clock when the

1294
01:01:44,253 --> 01:01:47,333
Speaker 14: threat to our western coastline from Unsettled coast to water

1295
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Speaker 14: could decrease. Southern Kros Travel Insurance must pay the Crown

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Speaker 14: premium discounts. The government's keeping tabs on how much councils

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Speaker 14: is spending and where the money is going. Yearly performance

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Speaker 14: metrics are out for each council, showing rates rises, read you,

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Speaker 14: is warning people about a surgeon scam ticket ads on

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Speaker 14: social media which is using legitimate Emirates branding. Convicted dealer

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Speaker 14: says it's easy to sell drugs and weapons on Facebook.

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Speaker 14: You can see the full story at end, said Herald Premium.

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Speaker 14: Back now to Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And that is exactly what

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Speaker 4: we're talking about now, the ability to buy drugs, weapons,

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Speaker 4: tases and more on Facebook messenger groups. Had a call

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Speaker 4: from John before the headlines who analyzed and broke it

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Speaker 4: all down for us. He's been part of those groups before,

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01:02:45,813 --> 01:02:47,533
Speaker 4: but'd love to hear from you on eight hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. If you've managed to purchase drugs online?

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Speaker 4: How easy was it?

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Speaker 3: And if you heard John, are you terrified by how

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Speaker 3: easy it appears to be? Beverly says, why are the

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Speaker 3: cops not doing their jobs in sorting this out? I

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Speaker 3: wonder if these people would feel comfortable getting prescription medicine

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Speaker 3: from someone they met on Facebook. It's a good point.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, uh, it's interesting. What prescription medicine would you

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Speaker 2: want to get?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I wonder like if you're seen expensive prescription medicine people

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Speaker 2: can't get hold of.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're selling tramadol, codeine, opraioids, right, yeah, you

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Speaker 4: know people love that stuff sometimes, the little blue pills. Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 4: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean, should the

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Speaker 4: police try be making this a priority to clamp down

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Speaker 4: on these missing message of groups and can they really

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Speaker 4: keen to have a chat with you?

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Speaker 2: The six says you're leaving me cold man when you're old.

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Speaker 2: They prescribe your drugs soon enough for heart clients, rattling

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Speaker 2: and no advertising. It's all that you against the law.

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Speaker 2: A few smokes emit the bad soon and the illegal ones.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference between the illegal ones and the ones

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Speaker 2: that we're given. It's all being pushed upon us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but I mean, isn't that more of

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Speaker 2: the whole thing that all drugs are the same thing?

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Speaker 2: You know, we had that quarter before from Rot and

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Speaker 2: he was talking about it. It's funny how we say

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Speaker 2: drugs and we put them all together. It's an incredibly

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Speaker 2: wide thing. The top of what a drug is the

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Speaker 2: difference between LSD and methan, phetamine and viagra.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's that doctor in New Zealand who's now prescribing psilocybin,

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Speaker 4: which is effectively the active ingredient of magriic mushrooms. Hey guys,

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Speaker 4: I was living in London and ran out of my

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Speaker 4: prescription medicine from New Zealand and I couldn't get it

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Speaker 4: in the UK as it was illegal. I called a

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Speaker 4: friend in New Zealand who was able to order it

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Speaker 4: for me on the dark web. It arrived a day

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Speaker 4: later in an armmarked brown envelope.

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Speaker 3: Very scary. How easy this was?

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Speaker 2: Yes, interesting, the dark web part of it, So John

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Speaker 2: said it was just all for tanks and buying pythons

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Speaker 2: and stuff. But does anyone out there I one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty, you know Facebook, Marketplace, Facebook, and

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Speaker 2: these these threads that people are getting in for me?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is that that different from just someone meeting

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Speaker 2: someone through someone and buying drugs? You know, if it's

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Speaker 2: an encrypted chats, it's just a different way of communicating

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Speaker 2: with drug dealer. But the whole dark web thing that

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Speaker 2: confuses me.

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Speaker 3: That's the next level, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: The onions and and the way that works. So you know,

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Speaker 2: if you know anything about the dark we had love

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Speaker 2: to hear from you. One hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: You've never given it a crack. I've thought about it,

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Speaker 3: but it terrifies the hell out of me.

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Speaker 4: I know you've got a download a specific type of

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Speaker 4: browser to do it, but it seems to me a

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Speaker 4: lot of people are taking advantage of that silk Road,

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Speaker 4: which was massive and got shut down very famously, but

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Speaker 4: apparently still very easy to do.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I'm just listening to all your callers regarding

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Speaker 2: the ease of buying drugs online. On the one hand,

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Speaker 2: I respect them for calling in making us see the

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Speaker 2: reality of it all. On the other hand, I feel

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Speaker 2: it may be advertising to people who don't already buy online.

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Speaker 2: How to do it? Yeah, yeah, you got to talk

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Speaker 2: about this thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but do you want to know the truth or

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Speaker 4: do you want to put your head in the stand? Clearly,

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Speaker 4: this is happening out there. As John said, this is

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Speaker 4: the reality of what's going on. There's a big investigation

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Speaker 4: story written.

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Speaker 3: About it in the Herald. It's happening, and so you know,

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Speaker 3: from my point of view, I want to hear from

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Speaker 3: people like John, Oh my.

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Speaker 2: God, lads, so so easy to buy drugs on Facebook,

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Speaker 2: and jeez, it's even easier on the dark dark web.

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Speaker 2: But it's also very scary. So the dark web sounds

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Speaker 2: really scary, doesn't it. Yeah, And the dark web is

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Speaker 2: just it's it's it's how do you explain the dark Web?

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Speaker 2: I'll try and get my words for how to explain

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Speaker 2: the dark Web. But it's just it's just it's just

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Speaker 2: the parts of the information that haven't been logged, they

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Speaker 2: haven't been registered, right, So it's just a way of

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Speaker 2: getting a browser that goes to areas that haven't been

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Speaker 2: categorized for you to search, so they're unsearchable areas. And

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Speaker 2: there's all this business about getting in there with the

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Speaker 2: onion layers and the onion engine and all that kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff. It's it's quite complicated, but really all it

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Speaker 2: is is just a sort of wild wild West browser situation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you've played around with the dark Web, we'd

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Speaker 4: love to hear from you. I'll wait one hundred eighty

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Speaker 4: ten eighty. How hard was it to get into it?

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01:07:01,013 --> 01:07:02,573
Speaker 4: How hard is it to find your way around? And

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Speaker 4: how easy is it to buy drugs? Get on the phone.

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Speaker 4: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: I also want to hear more about these people that

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Speaker 2: are buying drugs on Tinder.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, give us a buzz. It is nineteen to two.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons

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Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty eight us talk.

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Speaker 3: They'd be very good. Afternoon sixteen two three So the dark.

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Speaker 2: Web, because we're talking about that a little bit, that's

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Speaker 2: where a lot of drug sales happen. Yeah, it seems

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Speaker 2: a lot happen on Facebook as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The deeper level is the dark Web, which is part

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Speaker 2: of the Internet that isn't indexed. As I said before,

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Speaker 2: it's not indexed by traditional search engines, so it requires

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Speaker 2: special software to exit. There's I mean, there's I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's this called the tour network or the Onion router yep.

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Speaker 2: So you have to download a special route, and the

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Speaker 2: way it works is that your Internet traffic is routed

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Speaker 2: through a series of these servers that have voluntarily operated

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Speaker 2: and each server doesn't know anything about the last server,

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01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:10,293
Speaker 2: so it's extremely difficult for anyone to trace what's going

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01:08:10,333 --> 01:08:13,253
Speaker 2: on there. But yeah, I mean, it's it's an Onion router,

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Speaker 2: it's a tour browser, it's a it's a secret world

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Speaker 2: where you know, you can get away with a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff.

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Speaker 4: It's a fascinating world, the dark Web. Yeah, I'd love

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Speaker 4: to have all we play with it, but it's terrifies

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Speaker 4: the hell out of me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, as I mean, there's been journalists

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Speaker 2: that protect sources in there, you know, there's there's been

1439
01:08:31,173 --> 01:08:33,612
Speaker 2: whistleblower stuff, and there's been some good stuff that's happened

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Speaker 2: down in the dark web as well. There's it's not

1441
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Speaker 2: all illegal stuff that needs to happen completely anonymously. I

1442
01:08:40,692 --> 01:08:43,692
Speaker 2: mean there's also black markets and hackers in the air

1443
01:08:43,853 --> 01:08:46,852
Speaker 2: and terrible stuff going on as well. Yeah, exactly. It

1444
01:08:47,253 --> 01:08:49,892
Speaker 2: is an interesting thing. But the name the dark web

1445
01:08:50,933 --> 01:08:55,053
Speaker 2: makes it sound so terrifying when really it is just

1446
01:08:55,572 --> 01:08:58,012
Speaker 2: simply an unindexed search engines.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's a good explanation.

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Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:09:00,973 --> 01:09:03,812
Speaker 4: to call if you've been buying drugs off Facebook or

1450
01:09:03,893 --> 01:09:04,772
Speaker 4: you're part of these groups.

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01:09:04,853 --> 01:09:06,372
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you this.

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01:09:06,492 --> 01:09:08,612
Speaker 2: Texas says you guys should be charged as push for

1453
01:09:08,732 --> 01:09:11,892
Speaker 2: this discussion. You know better than a gang member. If

1454
01:09:11,933 --> 01:09:13,893
Speaker 2: you stop talking about it, maybe less people would do it.

1455
01:09:14,013 --> 01:09:18,812
Speaker 2: You need to stop drugs kill. What's said about different drugs,

1456
01:09:18,853 --> 01:09:21,452
Speaker 2: So what you said about different drugs do different things

1457
01:09:21,532 --> 01:09:24,333
Speaker 2: is completely ignorant and wrong. All drugs do damage, All

1458
01:09:24,412 --> 01:09:26,253
Speaker 2: drugs are addictive, All drugs are bad.

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Speaker 4: Right, push a man, great song, John, how are you

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01:09:31,013 --> 01:09:34,572
Speaker 4: Here's go boys? Very good, So you've.

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Speaker 3: Been around these particular groups, John, is that right?

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Speaker 12: Now?

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01:09:38,532 --> 01:09:40,692
Speaker 19: Had a look at that dark Web and the sights

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01:09:40,692 --> 01:09:44,412
Speaker 19: I got on there? Yep, it's pretty much the same

1465
01:09:44,452 --> 01:09:53,253
Speaker 19: as trade me right, so drugs, celler ratings and everything. Yeah,

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01:09:53,293 --> 01:09:54,933
Speaker 19: pretty much pretty much identical.

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Speaker 11: But are you just for drugs?

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01:09:58,492 --> 01:09:59,972
Speaker 2: Right? And if you bought anything on there?

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01:10:01,452 --> 01:10:01,892
Speaker 7: Possibly?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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01:10:02,853 --> 01:10:05,812
Speaker 2: All right, that was a direct question, wasn't it? And

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Speaker 2: so so how did you find out about the dark

1473
01:10:08,452 --> 01:10:10,173
Speaker 2: Web and how did you get in there? Because it

1474
01:10:10,213 --> 01:10:12,452
Speaker 2: sounds quite quite technical that what you have to go

1475
01:10:12,532 --> 01:10:13,173
Speaker 2: through to get there?

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01:10:14,333 --> 01:10:16,093
Speaker 19: Yeah, getting the browser and that was a bit of

1477
01:10:16,093 --> 01:10:19,973
Speaker 19: a mission. But once you know a few people that

1478
01:10:20,053 --> 01:10:21,293
Speaker 19: have been on there, they give you.

1479
01:10:22,692 --> 01:10:25,852
Speaker 7: Pretty much a link to one of these sites and

1480
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Speaker 7: then you just go in there and easy as and

1481
01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:30,213
Speaker 7: tunes up in your little box four days.

1482
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Speaker 19: You don't have to deal with any idiots or crazies,

1483
01:10:33,492 --> 01:10:38,053
Speaker 19: and and it's one hundredscent guaranteed to be pretty much

1484
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Speaker 19: in the room.

1485
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Speaker 7: Stuff.

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Speaker 2: So to go back to the the you know the

1487
01:10:42,133 --> 01:10:45,692
Speaker 2: dark Web? How did because if it's not indexed, you

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01:10:45,772 --> 01:10:47,772
Speaker 2: can't search, right, so when you go there, you're not

1489
01:10:48,013 --> 01:10:50,692
Speaker 2: searching for things. You have to know where you're going,

1490
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Speaker 2: is that right?

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01:10:51,812 --> 01:10:52,492
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right.

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01:10:52,612 --> 01:10:54,412
Speaker 19: Yeah, you've got to have a link. You just copy

1493
01:10:54,532 --> 01:10:57,093
Speaker 19: paste a link onto the search engine and it just

1494
01:10:57,133 --> 01:10:59,013
Speaker 19: pops up there and.

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01:10:59,213 --> 01:11:01,532
Speaker 2: When it comes to the delivery, So if someone's delivering

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01:11:01,692 --> 01:11:05,412
Speaker 2: to a mailbox, so that's so, that's interesting. So do

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Speaker 2: people give their own mailbox? Like you say, this is

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01:11:08,532 --> 01:11:10,692
Speaker 2: my house and then like I know, Father Christmas, you

1499
01:11:10,732 --> 01:11:12,253
Speaker 2: get up in the morning and it's in the in the.

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Speaker 19: Mailbox pretty much, you'll get it. You go in, there

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01:11:14,973 --> 01:11:18,532
Speaker 19: will be a pair of undies or or a pair

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01:11:18,572 --> 01:11:21,532
Speaker 19: of socks, and you open it up and your packages inside.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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01:11:22,853 --> 01:11:25,133
Speaker 2: Well, I remember me and my sister staying up all

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01:11:25,213 --> 01:11:26,772
Speaker 2: night and hiding under the couch to see if we

1506
01:11:26,812 --> 01:11:30,572
Speaker 2: could catch Santa Claus dropping off the presence, and then

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Speaker 2: getting sent to bed and heavily told off. I mean,

1508
01:11:33,293 --> 01:11:35,692
Speaker 2: you're not tempted to just sit looking at your window

1509
01:11:35,732 --> 01:11:36,933
Speaker 2: and see who it is dropping it.

1510
01:11:36,973 --> 01:11:37,372
Speaker 18: Off for you?

1511
01:11:38,093 --> 01:11:40,772
Speaker 19: Oh no, the career comes in the mall.

1512
01:11:42,372 --> 01:11:43,333
Speaker 2: Right, I see, right?

1513
01:11:43,853 --> 01:11:47,213
Speaker 4: Right, So it's yeah, right, do you not worry about

1514
01:11:47,213 --> 01:11:48,532
Speaker 4: it being picked up at customs though?

1515
01:11:49,853 --> 01:11:54,093
Speaker 19: Uh don't no customs in New Zealand posts.

1516
01:11:54,853 --> 01:11:55,253
Speaker 16: All right.

1517
01:11:55,333 --> 01:11:57,293
Speaker 3: So it's in house, so it's it's in New Zealand.

1518
01:11:57,333 --> 01:11:57,452
Speaker 17: Sal.

1519
01:11:57,612 --> 01:12:00,133
Speaker 2: I'm an interesting thing with it, John, as if it

1520
01:12:00,253 --> 01:12:05,732
Speaker 2: arrived and police found it in your mailbox, then would

1521
01:12:05,772 --> 01:12:10,973
Speaker 2: there be plausible dying deniability because everything in the and

1522
01:12:11,053 --> 01:12:13,572
Speaker 2: you know, in the dark web obviously encrypted and no

1523
01:12:13,612 --> 01:12:15,732
Speaker 2: one can find it. So can you just say, look,

1524
01:12:15,772 --> 01:12:17,452
Speaker 2: I didn't I don't know anything about it. I don't

1525
01:12:17,452 --> 01:12:19,492
Speaker 2: know why this has been Yeah, you.

1526
01:12:19,572 --> 01:12:21,333
Speaker 19: Just have your post address a different name.

1527
01:12:22,213 --> 01:12:22,412
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1528
01:12:22,893 --> 01:12:25,333
Speaker 4: So going back to the marketplace that you use on

1529
01:12:25,492 --> 01:12:28,173
Speaker 4: the dark web, Silk Road was the very famous one

1530
01:12:28,213 --> 01:12:30,492
Speaker 4: and it got shut down and the creator of that

1531
01:12:30,572 --> 01:12:32,492
Speaker 4: got arrested. Very famous something. It was a movie made

1532
01:12:32,492 --> 01:12:34,772
Speaker 4: about it. So is it effectively similar to how the

1533
01:12:34,933 --> 01:12:37,652
Speaker 4: Silk Road operated? As I understand it, and I've seen

1534
01:12:37,933 --> 01:12:40,612
Speaker 4: pictures of the Silk Road, it was exactly like eBay.

1535
01:12:40,853 --> 01:12:42,892
Speaker 4: You just go down and see what drugs you wanted,

1536
01:12:43,053 --> 01:12:44,852
Speaker 4: and there was a price there, you paid it, and

1537
01:12:44,893 --> 01:12:45,932
Speaker 4: boom you get in the mail.

1538
01:12:46,612 --> 01:12:48,772
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And then we'll have they would

1539
01:12:48,772 --> 01:12:50,812
Speaker 19: have all the test kits. Well, I've tested it and

1540
01:12:50,853 --> 01:12:55,692
Speaker 19: I'll show you the purity of everything. So well, I

1541
01:12:55,772 --> 01:12:58,452
Speaker 19: think it's satur like it's a lot safer than buying

1542
01:12:58,492 --> 01:12:59,293
Speaker 19: it off the streets.

1543
01:12:59,492 --> 01:13:01,932
Speaker 7: So you're there, you know what you're.

1544
01:13:02,893 --> 01:13:06,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, John, I think thank you you called John fascinating.

1545
01:13:06,853 --> 01:13:08,933
Speaker 2: This one says someone I know uses one page on

1546
01:13:09,013 --> 01:13:11,133
Speaker 2: the dark Web where you can order a garden nome

1547
01:13:11,213 --> 01:13:14,692
Speaker 2: invasion on someone's house. It's pretty inexpensive as well. So

1548
01:13:14,772 --> 01:13:15,932
Speaker 2: you can go in the dark Web and you can

1549
01:13:15,973 --> 01:13:19,333
Speaker 2: go pick someone's house and go deliver twenty five garden

1550
01:13:19,412 --> 01:13:20,093
Speaker 2: nomes to their house.

1551
01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:21,933
Speaker 3: That's a great use of the dark Web. Thank you

1552
01:13:22,133 --> 01:13:22,532
Speaker 3: very much.

1553
01:13:23,013 --> 01:13:24,612
Speaker 2: Is that what it's saying or am I missing some

1554
01:13:24,853 --> 01:13:26,092
Speaker 2: kind of code language.

1555
01:13:26,173 --> 01:13:28,053
Speaker 3: Oh my guy, it's like pranking someone with whole bunch

1556
01:13:28,053 --> 01:13:29,612
Speaker 3: of garden gnomes at their home and you got to

1557
01:13:29,692 --> 01:13:30,333
Speaker 3: use the dark Web.

1558
01:13:30,412 --> 01:13:30,772
Speaker 7: I love it.

1559
01:13:30,933 --> 01:13:34,452
Speaker 2: That is the wholesome end of you know, you know,

1560
01:13:34,652 --> 01:13:37,372
Speaker 2: sort of pranking, the wholesome end of the dark Web.

1561
01:13:37,412 --> 01:13:39,253
Speaker 2: Imagine center garden homes to people's houses.

1562
01:13:39,333 --> 01:13:41,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, coming up, we're gonna have a chat to

1563
01:13:41,093 --> 01:13:44,213
Speaker 4: a woman called Mary her Son that was arrested with meth,

1564
01:13:44,293 --> 01:13:48,572
Speaker 4: cocaine and ketamine. But an interesting story that goes along

1565
01:13:48,612 --> 01:13:50,053
Speaker 4: with that, So we're gonna have a chat to her next.

1566
01:13:50,133 --> 01:13:53,452
Speaker 4: It is ten to three, the issues that affect you

1567
01:13:53,812 --> 01:13:56,052
Speaker 4: and a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath

1568
01:13:56,093 --> 01:13:58,933
Speaker 4: and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks'd be.

1569
01:14:00,213 --> 01:14:02,772
Speaker 3: News talks, It'd be it is seven to three.

1570
01:14:03,412 --> 01:14:06,093
Speaker 2: Carl says, Guys, I got banned for selling on Facebook.

1571
01:14:06,492 --> 01:14:09,932
Speaker 2: I got banned from selling on Facebook for selling Roman candles.

1572
01:14:10,213 --> 01:14:11,852
Speaker 2: They wore me the first time and the second time

1573
01:14:11,893 --> 01:14:13,932
Speaker 2: I used a real candle for the photo, and once

1574
01:14:13,973 --> 01:14:16,173
Speaker 2: they allowed that, I changed the photo to Roman candles

1575
01:14:16,173 --> 01:14:18,732
Speaker 2: and within seconds I was banned from selling. How the

1576
01:14:18,853 --> 01:14:21,053
Speaker 2: hell can they sell drugs on there? I'd like to

1577
01:14:21,093 --> 01:14:24,053
Speaker 2: buy some clones. Any chance you know a link or

1578
01:14:24,093 --> 01:14:26,452
Speaker 2: a group, Carl, some clones? Yeah, I don't know what

1579
01:14:26,572 --> 01:14:28,732
Speaker 2: clones are well like in Star Wars. Yeah, I want

1580
01:14:28,772 --> 01:14:31,812
Speaker 2: some Roman candles though. They're great fun, Harry, how are you?

1581
01:14:33,053 --> 01:14:33,213
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1582
01:14:33,253 --> 01:14:33,772
Speaker 18: Good things?

1583
01:14:34,253 --> 01:14:36,812
Speaker 3: So your son, your son was arrested for being in

1584
01:14:36,893 --> 01:14:37,692
Speaker 3: possession of drugs.

1585
01:14:38,293 --> 01:14:41,772
Speaker 10: Yeah, he is a drug dealer, a police are aware

1586
01:14:41,812 --> 01:14:45,372
Speaker 10: of him. But yeah, he got caught with reasonable quantity

1587
01:14:45,492 --> 01:14:49,893
Speaker 10: of methan Petterman, cocaine and tetamine. I think it was

1588
01:14:50,933 --> 01:14:53,213
Speaker 10: and evidence that he was going to supply at a

1589
01:14:53,412 --> 01:14:57,133
Speaker 10: concert that that was coming up. We end it took

1590
01:14:57,133 --> 01:15:00,293
Speaker 10: a year for him to finally be sentenced. There was

1591
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:03,213
Speaker 10: lots of delays and missing files and all sorts of things.

1592
01:15:04,452 --> 01:15:06,612
Speaker 10: He ended up the police ended up dropping all of

1593
01:15:06,652 --> 01:15:10,053
Speaker 10: the supply charges and I think they did a bit

1594
01:15:10,093 --> 01:15:12,452
Speaker 10: of a deal where he pleaded guilty for possession and

1595
01:15:13,173 --> 01:15:15,173
Speaker 10: god or what it meant that he wasn't convicted for

1596
01:15:15,213 --> 01:15:18,732
Speaker 10: any of the others and ended up with just a

1597
01:15:18,772 --> 01:15:20,932
Speaker 10: few months on a bracelet and that was his punishment.

1598
01:15:21,053 --> 01:15:24,133
Speaker 10: And meanwhile he continues to deal and he continues with

1599
01:15:24,293 --> 01:15:27,572
Speaker 10: what he's been doing, so there are no consequences for

1600
01:15:28,173 --> 01:15:30,652
Speaker 10: the dealers. They can get away with it. I think

1601
01:15:30,692 --> 01:15:32,852
Speaker 10: it's very very hard for the police to have got

1602
01:15:32,893 --> 01:15:35,293
Speaker 10: a very high threshold of evidence to be able to

1603
01:15:35,333 --> 01:15:39,053
Speaker 10: get convictions and things, so, you know, the dealers to

1604
01:15:39,213 --> 01:15:42,612
Speaker 10: get away with it, and you know, people not talking

1605
01:15:42,612 --> 01:15:45,612
Speaker 10: about it doesn't going to help the situation. It needs

1606
01:15:45,652 --> 01:15:47,492
Speaker 10: to be talked about and it needs to be much

1607
01:15:47,572 --> 01:15:48,412
Speaker 10: more out in the open.

1608
01:15:48,732 --> 01:15:51,692
Speaker 2: It must be hugely troubling for you as a mum, Mary,

1609
01:15:51,812 --> 01:15:53,852
Speaker 2: so thank you so much for talking about it. Obviously,

1610
01:15:53,933 --> 01:15:56,772
Speaker 2: think it's the right thing for people to hear. This

1611
01:15:57,333 --> 01:15:59,612
Speaker 2: was your son using You know, how was he how

1612
01:15:59,692 --> 01:16:03,892
Speaker 2: was he selling the drugs? And was it through Facebook?

1613
01:16:04,013 --> 01:16:04,612
Speaker 2: Was it through No?

1614
01:16:04,732 --> 01:16:06,572
Speaker 10: I don't. I don't think it was through Facebook. I

1615
01:16:06,652 --> 01:16:10,532
Speaker 10: think it was just through connections and things. There was

1616
01:16:10,572 --> 01:16:13,013
Speaker 10: a Facebook post when they put one of somebody put

1617
01:16:13,053 --> 01:16:14,892
Speaker 10: a picture of one of his kids up on Facebook

1618
01:16:14,933 --> 01:16:18,013
Speaker 10: and a friend of who's commented and said, oh was

1619
01:16:18,053 --> 01:16:21,333
Speaker 10: that selling? So yeah, how do you know him get

1620
01:16:21,372 --> 01:16:23,692
Speaker 10: my drugs from his dad? That was a Facebook chat,

1621
01:16:23,772 --> 01:16:26,652
Speaker 10: so very very open in everything.

1622
01:16:27,013 --> 01:16:30,013
Speaker 2: Did he have a drug problem as well? Mary, if

1623
01:16:30,013 --> 01:16:31,612
Speaker 2: you don't mind me asking, Yeah.

1624
01:16:31,492 --> 01:16:33,893
Speaker 10: No, he is an addict. He started when he was

1625
01:16:33,933 --> 01:16:36,652
Speaker 10: about fifteen and some of the neighbors got him into

1626
01:16:36,732 --> 01:16:39,173
Speaker 10: drugs and I mean we talk him through counseling and

1627
01:16:39,293 --> 01:16:43,253
Speaker 10: various things, but yeah, he's just got into it. He's

1628
01:16:43,293 --> 01:16:45,412
Speaker 10: now involved with gangs and various things.

1629
01:16:46,933 --> 01:16:48,932
Speaker 3: Do you still talk with him?

1630
01:16:48,933 --> 01:16:49,173
Speaker 7: Mary?

1631
01:16:49,812 --> 01:16:52,812
Speaker 10: He hates us, He blames us, says it's all our

1632
01:16:52,853 --> 01:16:55,932
Speaker 10: fault and we'll have nothing to do with us, which

1633
01:16:56,013 --> 01:16:56,892
Speaker 10: is really really hard.

1634
01:16:57,293 --> 01:17:00,732
Speaker 2: Do you have that kind of family position where you

1635
01:17:00,973 --> 01:17:03,973
Speaker 2: know that that's going on and you maybe think that

1636
01:17:04,133 --> 01:17:09,012
Speaker 2: he needs to be intervened with, where you would will

1637
01:17:09,093 --> 01:17:10,972
Speaker 2: you'd go to authorities on him at all.

1638
01:17:12,053 --> 01:17:15,932
Speaker 10: Well, there's no point in going to the authority. There's

1639
01:17:15,973 --> 01:17:18,652
Speaker 10: no help out here for families who are in this position.

1640
01:17:20,293 --> 01:17:23,612
Speaker 10: You know, he's got to want the help he's got

1641
01:17:23,692 --> 01:17:25,652
Speaker 10: to want. But we will help as much as we

1642
01:17:25,732 --> 01:17:28,253
Speaker 10: possibly can. But while he hates us and thinks that

1643
01:17:28,333 --> 01:17:30,532
Speaker 10: we are the worst people in the world and will

1644
01:17:30,652 --> 01:17:32,973
Speaker 10: not admit that he's got a problem or that he

1645
01:17:33,093 --> 01:17:36,333
Speaker 10: needs help, you can't tourse it on him. It'll just

1646
01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:38,452
Speaker 10: make things worse. He's the sort of person that the

1647
01:17:38,532 --> 01:17:40,452
Speaker 10: more you push, the harder he will push back.

1648
01:17:40,692 --> 01:17:43,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mary, thank you for being so candidate, for giving

1649
01:17:43,532 --> 01:17:45,452
Speaker 3: us a buzz and all the very best going forward

1650
01:17:45,452 --> 01:17:47,532
Speaker 3: with your son. But thank you very much for going

1651
01:17:47,612 --> 01:17:49,372
Speaker 3: as call right. That is where we'll leave it.

1652
01:17:49,452 --> 01:17:53,412
Speaker 4: That was a very fascinating discussion. But coming up, we've

1653
01:17:53,412 --> 01:17:55,933
Speaker 4: got a new one on the table, new sport and

1654
01:17:56,133 --> 01:17:58,652
Speaker 4: weather is on its way. Really great to have your

1655
01:17:58,692 --> 01:18:01,613
Speaker 4: company as always on this Thursday afternoon.

1656
01:18:01,692 --> 01:18:03,893
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matt and Tyler. We will see you

1657
01:18:04,173 --> 01:18:05,052
Speaker 3: on the other side.

1658
01:18:05,372 --> 01:18:07,412
Speaker 2: Feel for you, Mary, your tough position to be in.

1659
01:18:13,133 --> 01:18:16,452
Speaker 1: Your new home for instateful and it's a taining talk

1660
01:18:16,732 --> 01:18:21,613
Speaker 1: it's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk Sebby.

1661
01:18:22,173 --> 01:18:24,812
Speaker 4: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program. Great

1662
01:18:24,853 --> 01:18:27,213
Speaker 4: to have your company is always at seven past three.

1663
01:18:27,452 --> 01:18:27,492
Speaker 16: So.

1664
01:18:27,692 --> 01:18:32,093
Speaker 4: Comedian Guy Montgomery, very well known individual, massive in Australia,

1665
01:18:32,253 --> 01:18:33,213
Speaker 4: very very funny man.

1666
01:18:33,333 --> 01:18:33,492
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1667
01:18:33,532 --> 01:18:36,492
Speaker 4: Friend of mine, Yeah, friend of He recently opened up

1668
01:18:36,532 --> 01:18:38,892
Speaker 4: to Brodie Kane on her podcast Kiwi Yarns about how

1669
01:18:38,973 --> 01:18:41,892
Speaker 4: he started therapy started during the lockdowns, but it's helped

1670
01:18:41,933 --> 01:18:44,333
Speaker 4: him immensely to deal with the precires of his career,

1671
01:18:44,572 --> 01:18:47,293
Speaker 4: getting big and Aussie and including a lingering fear that

1672
01:18:47,372 --> 01:18:49,132
Speaker 4: he might not actually be funny.

1673
01:18:49,372 --> 01:18:50,772
Speaker 3: Here's a little bit of what he said.

1674
01:18:51,013 --> 01:18:53,893
Speaker 20: Therapy is not something that is just waiting for you

1675
01:18:54,013 --> 01:18:56,772
Speaker 20: when you are at your lowest EBB. I sometimes looking

1676
01:18:56,772 --> 01:18:59,053
Speaker 20: at it as I'm paying for the rights to not

1677
01:18:59,253 --> 01:19:01,852
Speaker 20: listen back. It's like if I treated my friends like this,

1678
01:19:02,293 --> 01:19:04,652
Speaker 20: I would be a bad friend. I think last year,

1679
01:19:04,853 --> 01:19:08,492
Speaker 20: when I experienced some growth spurt in my career or

1680
01:19:08,572 --> 01:19:14,173
Speaker 20: profile in Australia, I felt incredibly self conscious and quite anxious,

1681
01:19:14,532 --> 01:19:18,293
Speaker 20: and I kept visualizing not being funny, or this is

1682
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:20,013
Speaker 20: the year I find out I'm not funny, or the

1683
01:19:20,053 --> 01:19:22,093
Speaker 20: audience find out I'm not funny, and I've worked so

1684
01:19:22,253 --> 01:19:24,812
Speaker 20: hard to get to this point, and now it's all happening,

1685
01:19:25,213 --> 01:19:26,652
Speaker 20: it will finally be taken away.

1686
01:19:26,812 --> 01:19:28,652
Speaker 2: I remember talking to my therapist about.

1687
01:19:28,452 --> 01:19:31,333
Speaker 20: That, and she was saying, look, you're standing on the

1688
01:19:31,492 --> 01:19:34,652
Speaker 20: shoulders or on fifteen years of hard work, and you

1689
01:19:34,772 --> 01:19:37,812
Speaker 20: are looking at the top of that flight of stairs

1690
01:19:38,253 --> 01:19:40,612
Speaker 20: down at what it looks like to fall from fifteen

1691
01:19:40,652 --> 01:19:43,133
Speaker 20: years to the beginning. But if you just turned around

1692
01:19:43,173 --> 01:19:45,612
Speaker 20: and look behind you, you'd see if it doesn't work out,

1693
01:19:45,812 --> 01:19:49,052
Speaker 20: you're going back here and that is safe and fine.

1694
01:19:49,452 --> 01:19:51,772
Speaker 20: Recontextualize it in a way where I thought, this is

1695
01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:53,412
Speaker 20: ultimately this is okay.

1696
01:19:54,532 --> 01:19:57,212
Speaker 2: There you go. So that's a therapist with some good advice.

1697
01:19:57,333 --> 01:20:00,452
Speaker 2: But what do you think about therapy? Does it work?

1698
01:20:01,133 --> 01:20:03,892
Speaker 2: I believe it doesn't work for me. I don't think

1699
01:20:03,933 --> 01:20:07,052
Speaker 2: it saves marriages. That's in my opinion and my experience.

1700
01:20:07,093 --> 01:20:10,772
Speaker 2: I think that it's basically a therapy couch, if not

1701
01:20:10,893 --> 01:20:12,412
Speaker 2: that there is ever in a couch, but a therapy

1702
01:20:12,492 --> 01:20:14,812
Speaker 2: room is just the departure lounge for the end of

1703
01:20:14,812 --> 01:20:17,133
Speaker 2: a relationship. It just helps you out, helps you leave,

1704
01:20:18,173 --> 01:20:19,932
Speaker 2: It helps people sort out, leaving.

1705
01:20:19,933 --> 01:20:20,973
Speaker 3: A mediator for the end.

1706
01:20:21,173 --> 01:20:25,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you might disagree. Does therapy work

1707
01:20:25,372 --> 01:20:27,732
Speaker 2: for you? And what about the idea that's becoming more

1708
01:20:27,772 --> 01:20:30,372
Speaker 2: and more common. You're reading about it more and more

1709
01:20:30,452 --> 01:20:33,293
Speaker 2: and seeing it on social media that you have therapy

1710
01:20:33,452 --> 01:20:36,852
Speaker 2: all the time, as Guy Montgomery says, even when things

1711
01:20:36,973 --> 01:20:38,932
Speaker 2: are going well, you still need therapy.

1712
01:20:39,253 --> 01:20:39,452
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1713
01:20:39,612 --> 01:20:41,852
Speaker 4: It's a big thing in America, isn't it. It's long

1714
01:20:41,933 --> 01:20:43,612
Speaker 4: been established there that a lot of people, if they

1715
01:20:43,652 --> 01:20:45,692
Speaker 4: can afford it, go regularly to have a sit down

1716
01:20:45,732 --> 01:20:48,413
Speaker 4: with a therapist. That was essential theme in the Sopranos

1717
01:20:48,452 --> 01:20:51,093
Speaker 4: for goodness sake, but always a taboo here to here

1718
01:20:51,093 --> 01:20:52,093
Speaker 4: about seeing a therapists and.

1719
01:20:52,093 --> 01:20:54,532
Speaker 2: The other part of seeing a therapist that's interesting. Are

1720
01:20:54,612 --> 01:20:57,692
Speaker 2: you just reliving the stuff over and over again, talking

1721
01:20:57,772 --> 01:21:02,732
Speaker 2: about it and re re litigating. Don't you just need

1722
01:21:02,853 --> 01:21:05,372
Speaker 2: to make some decisions and move on? Don't you just

1723
01:21:05,492 --> 01:21:08,013
Speaker 2: need to go I mean, just talking about things make

1724
01:21:08,053 --> 01:21:11,253
Speaker 2: things better always? Or is it sometimes better just to

1725
01:21:12,893 --> 01:21:15,292
Speaker 2: decide that you've got a problem, work out some solutions

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01:21:15,492 --> 01:21:16,293
Speaker 2: and get on with life.

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01:21:16,532 --> 01:21:19,253
Speaker 4: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty has therapy our

1728
01:21:19,333 --> 01:21:21,732
Speaker 4: therapy being valuable for you love to hear from you,

1729
01:21:21,812 --> 01:21:23,492
Speaker 4: and if you do it on a regular basis, does

1730
01:21:23,652 --> 01:21:26,412
Speaker 4: it help really keen to get into this? One nine

1731
01:21:26,492 --> 01:21:29,013
Speaker 4: two nine two is the text number. We've got to

1732
01:21:29,013 --> 01:21:31,092
Speaker 4: play some messages, but back with your calls very shortly.

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01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:34,972
Speaker 4: It is ten past three used talk ZIV thirteen past

1734
01:21:35,053 --> 01:21:37,012
Speaker 4: three is their value in regular therapy?

1735
01:21:37,333 --> 01:21:39,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you had therapy and has it worked? Or

1736
01:21:39,812 --> 01:21:42,093
Speaker 2: are you like More and more people are saying that

1737
01:21:42,093 --> 01:21:44,692
Speaker 2: it's just rehashing the same stories week after week with

1738
01:21:44,772 --> 01:21:49,093
Speaker 2: no real train. It's just entrenching a victim mentality where

1739
01:21:49,133 --> 01:21:52,132
Speaker 2: you just talk and talk and talk in a circle,

1740
01:21:52,452 --> 01:21:55,652
Speaker 2: you know, And is there is there an incentive in

1741
01:21:55,732 --> 01:21:57,892
Speaker 2: the therapist to just keep you coming back and coming back?

1742
01:21:58,093 --> 01:22:01,012
Speaker 3: It's very expensive. Of course it'll be different therapists, right, Yeah.

1743
01:22:00,812 --> 01:22:02,812
Speaker 4: There's good therapists and bad therapists. But I've got to say,

1744
01:22:02,853 --> 01:22:05,412
Speaker 4: Matt is and I haven't done it often, but I

1745
01:22:05,532 --> 01:22:08,253
Speaker 4: have done it to me. It was someone to just

1746
01:22:08,412 --> 01:22:11,372
Speaker 4: sit there and to listen to what I had to say,

1747
01:22:11,412 --> 01:22:13,612
Speaker 4: and that person didn't really know me too well. It

1748
01:22:13,732 --> 01:22:17,492
Speaker 4: was almost like a comfortable stranger, just sitting there listening

1749
01:22:17,732 --> 01:22:20,693
Speaker 4: and not even offering advice, maybe a couple of strategies

1750
01:22:20,732 --> 01:22:23,053
Speaker 4: to deal with whatever was going on at the time,

1751
01:22:23,532 --> 01:22:27,812
Speaker 4: But effectively they were just a warm body, a warm, comfortable, happy,

1752
01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:30,812
Speaker 4: peaceful person just to sit there and listen to what

1753
01:22:30,893 --> 01:22:32,893
Speaker 4: I had to say, something that I couldn't say to

1754
01:22:32,973 --> 01:22:35,213
Speaker 4: my mates, because that is pretty you know, that's pretty

1755
01:22:35,253 --> 01:22:37,692
Speaker 4: punishing hit sometimes, so you need someone a little bit

1756
01:22:37,732 --> 01:22:41,173
Speaker 4: disconnected from my family, from my friends. This is just

1757
01:22:41,253 --> 01:22:44,133
Speaker 4: my thinking that can just listen to that, and then

1758
01:22:44,253 --> 01:22:45,652
Speaker 4: if I don't have to see them again, I don't

1759
01:22:45,652 --> 01:22:46,452
Speaker 4: have to see them again.

1760
01:22:46,732 --> 01:22:48,053
Speaker 3: Just an offload, right, And.

1761
01:22:48,133 --> 01:22:50,893
Speaker 2: Did you go out solving any of your problems or

1762
01:22:50,933 --> 01:22:53,772
Speaker 2: did you just talk about them? So, because this person

1763
01:22:53,853 --> 01:22:58,052
Speaker 2: says this says where is it? A lot of texts

1764
01:22:58,093 --> 01:23:02,812
Speaker 2: coming through here. I'll just paraphrase what this person said that, Oh,

1765
01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:07,972
Speaker 2: you just answered your own question. Solutions come from finding

1766
01:23:08,013 --> 01:23:10,652
Speaker 2: ways to deal with the situation that you don't understand

1767
01:23:10,732 --> 01:23:12,772
Speaker 2: or know. Therapy or counseling can give you the tools

1768
01:23:12,812 --> 01:23:15,452
Speaker 2: to find those solutions. And a problem shared is a

1769
01:23:15,532 --> 01:23:19,133
Speaker 2: problem half Yeah, I mean sure, but maybe a problem

1770
01:23:19,173 --> 01:23:22,372
Speaker 2: shared is a problem half. But sometimes a problem shared

1771
01:23:22,532 --> 01:23:25,173
Speaker 2: is just a problem relived, you know, as long as

1772
01:23:25,213 --> 01:23:27,133
Speaker 2: you've as long as there's a solution to it. And

1773
01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:30,173
Speaker 2: that Guy Montgomery situation that sounded like as therapist said,

1774
01:23:30,572 --> 01:23:32,452
Speaker 2: you know, don't freak out that you're at the top

1775
01:23:32,492 --> 01:23:34,053
Speaker 2: of that. If you fall down, then it wasn't so

1776
01:23:34,133 --> 01:23:36,532
Speaker 2: bad when you were down there. Gave them some good advice, right,

1777
01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:39,092
Speaker 2: So if you just just I mean, how long should

1778
01:23:39,093 --> 01:23:41,293
Speaker 2: you go in therapy? Because the thing we're talking about

1779
01:23:41,293 --> 01:23:43,772
Speaker 2: here is people that are always in therapy. So it's

1780
01:23:43,853 --> 01:23:48,372
Speaker 2: when things are bad, when things are good, whatever, trauma

1781
01:23:48,452 --> 01:23:51,652
Speaker 2: in their life, whatever, they're just always in therapy. And

1782
01:23:51,732 --> 01:23:53,053
Speaker 2: you seem to think it's a good thing because it's

1783
01:23:53,053 --> 01:23:54,133
Speaker 2: someone that has to listen to you.

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01:23:54,652 --> 01:23:56,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, But can I just say, I mean, you're a

1785
01:23:56,412 --> 01:24:00,412
Speaker 4: big fan of Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and the Stoics.

1786
01:24:00,812 --> 01:24:04,172
Speaker 4: To me, they are your therapists because they've got tools

1787
01:24:04,372 --> 01:24:06,572
Speaker 4: and advice and ways of looking at the world and

1788
01:24:06,652 --> 01:24:11,093
Speaker 4: philosophies that are incredible tools for dealing with challenges and adversity.

1789
01:24:11,933 --> 01:24:13,692
Speaker 4: But unfortunately they can't talk back to you, but they

1790
01:24:13,772 --> 01:24:14,612
Speaker 4: offer that advice.

1791
01:24:14,853 --> 01:24:16,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, but their advice is to look it straight in

1792
01:24:16,933 --> 01:24:19,253
Speaker 2: the eyes, you know, and take charge.

1793
01:24:19,333 --> 01:24:20,092
Speaker 3: That's a good therapist.

1794
01:24:20,253 --> 01:24:22,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, you've been to therapy.

1795
01:24:23,973 --> 01:24:24,812
Speaker 13: Ah, yes, I have.

1796
01:24:25,053 --> 01:24:27,253
Speaker 7: I've been to counseling and what have you.

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01:24:27,973 --> 01:24:34,333
Speaker 21: But I guess what you were talking about is, for example,

1798
01:24:34,532 --> 01:24:37,492
Speaker 21: like building the house. Somebody telling you to build a

1799
01:24:37,652 --> 01:24:42,253
Speaker 21: house and how nice the house slops, but not giving

1800
01:24:42,372 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 21: you the actual tools to build it.

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01:24:44,532 --> 01:24:46,612
Speaker 7: Is that correct? Yeah?

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01:24:46,933 --> 01:24:48,852
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean if you're just talking about a

1803
01:24:48,893 --> 01:24:50,812
Speaker 2: house and talking about a house and talking about a house,

1804
01:24:50,853 --> 01:24:54,173
Speaker 2: and you keep talking about it but never actually taking

1805
01:24:54,173 --> 01:24:56,492
Speaker 2: any steps to build the house, yeah, I would agree.

1806
01:24:56,732 --> 01:24:58,532
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe a better way to put it would

1807
01:24:58,572 --> 01:24:59,973
Speaker 2: be like you've got a leak in the roof of

1808
01:25:00,013 --> 01:25:03,452
Speaker 2: a house, and you're constantly talking about the leak, but

1809
01:25:04,133 --> 01:25:07,572
Speaker 2: you know someone needs to have a solution to fix

1810
01:25:07,652 --> 01:25:10,652
Speaker 2: the leak. And maybe that's a better way of describing it. Dan,

1811
01:25:12,013 --> 01:25:13,412
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would say that.

1812
01:25:13,692 --> 01:25:17,812
Speaker 21: But you know, you could go to therapy get the

1813
01:25:18,053 --> 01:25:24,173
Speaker 21: tools to help fix the problem, but you can't go

1814
01:25:24,412 --> 01:25:29,173
Speaker 21: to therapy for everything that goes wrong in your life.

1815
01:25:29,812 --> 01:25:35,132
Speaker 7: I mean that is called life. You know, the circle

1816
01:25:35,293 --> 01:25:38,293
Speaker 7: of life, and if you.

1817
01:25:40,013 --> 01:25:44,732
Speaker 21: You know, fix it from the tools that is given

1818
01:25:44,812 --> 01:25:51,013
Speaker 21: you and from life experience. I found that to be

1819
01:25:51,133 --> 01:25:56,093
Speaker 21: a lot better you know, having insight, for example, what

1820
01:25:56,492 --> 01:26:02,412
Speaker 21: triggers you, you know, what's your motivation, and what to

1821
01:26:02,692 --> 01:26:08,012
Speaker 21: stay away from that gives you a bad feeling that's

1822
01:26:08,173 --> 01:26:11,412
Speaker 21: not good for your mental health, some of those sort

1823
01:26:11,452 --> 01:26:11,892
Speaker 21: of things.

1824
01:26:12,093 --> 01:26:14,293
Speaker 2: So you went to what was the instigator of you

1825
01:26:14,372 --> 01:26:15,772
Speaker 2: going to therapy?

1826
01:26:15,893 --> 01:26:16,053
Speaker 18: DN?

1827
01:26:17,772 --> 01:26:22,092
Speaker 21: The instigator was that I was in a real bad,

1828
01:26:22,492 --> 01:26:28,612
Speaker 21: toxic work environment, and I went to therapy I think

1829
01:26:29,093 --> 01:26:35,253
Speaker 21: three times before I ended up having a breakdown and

1830
01:26:35,412 --> 01:26:39,452
Speaker 21: the doctor telling me that I've got two choices. I

1831
01:26:39,532 --> 01:26:44,452
Speaker 21: either stayed in the toxic work environment or leave and

1832
01:26:44,652 --> 01:26:47,852
Speaker 21: get better. So I chose to leave and get better.

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01:26:49,333 --> 01:26:51,333
Speaker 4: Did anyone else give you that advice before you went

1834
01:26:51,372 --> 01:26:53,213
Speaker 4: to the therapist then, or you needed to hear it

1835
01:26:53,333 --> 01:26:56,173
Speaker 4: from someone like a therapist that has that illusion of

1836
01:26:56,412 --> 01:26:57,652
Speaker 4: being a professional in that realm.

1837
01:26:59,293 --> 01:27:07,133
Speaker 21: Not particularly because what the therapist was giving me you're

1838
01:27:07,293 --> 01:27:11,572
Speaker 21: trying to give me was all the solutions to stay

1839
01:27:11,692 --> 01:27:14,652
Speaker 21: at work. You know, Oh, you've got to pay your

1840
01:27:14,812 --> 01:27:21,013
Speaker 21: rent and your power and everything like this. But at

1841
01:27:21,093 --> 01:27:25,893
Speaker 21: the end of the day, there comes a point.

1842
01:27:26,372 --> 01:27:29,173
Speaker 7: Where you draw a line in the sand.

1843
01:27:29,692 --> 01:27:37,133
Speaker 21: And say, am I gonna stay mentally stretched out? Even

1844
01:27:37,253 --> 01:27:41,172
Speaker 21: on your two days off? You know, you're just thinking

1845
01:27:41,253 --> 01:27:48,412
Speaker 21: about work all the time, or am I gonna you know,

1846
01:27:48,772 --> 01:27:55,333
Speaker 21: just leave that toxic work environment and start again, you know,

1847
01:27:56,173 --> 01:27:57,372
Speaker 21: and get well again.

1848
01:27:57,572 --> 01:28:00,893
Speaker 2: So did your therapist suggest that you stay or that

1849
01:28:01,013 --> 01:28:03,093
Speaker 2: you go? Sorry, I'm as step part of it there, Dan.

1850
01:28:04,333 --> 01:28:08,652
Speaker 21: All the therapists was trying to do was help me

1851
01:28:09,133 --> 01:28:14,253
Speaker 21: stay at work, right, you know, and Lord this than that.

1852
01:28:14,732 --> 01:28:16,852
Speaker 7: You could do this, and you could do that.

1853
01:28:17,772 --> 01:28:21,692
Speaker 21: But when you're in a toxic work environment and you've

1854
01:28:21,973 --> 01:28:27,093
Speaker 21: got a boss like I had, but always on you,

1855
01:28:27,492 --> 01:28:29,812
Speaker 21: you know, even on your day's auf.

1856
01:28:29,732 --> 01:28:31,932
Speaker 7: It's just absolutely terrible.

1857
01:28:32,572 --> 01:28:38,133
Speaker 21: So at the end I chose to left, leave, and

1858
01:28:38,333 --> 01:28:40,133
Speaker 21: now I'm one hundred percent better.

1859
01:28:40,492 --> 01:28:42,732
Speaker 2: Oh that's great, Dan, work for you. It sounds like

1860
01:28:42,812 --> 01:28:44,932
Speaker 2: you didn't listen to your therapist and then it worked

1861
01:28:44,933 --> 01:28:45,333
Speaker 2: out great.

1862
01:28:46,732 --> 01:28:47,852
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true.

1863
01:28:48,093 --> 01:28:53,933
Speaker 21: You could take what your therapist says, but at the

1864
01:28:54,133 --> 01:28:57,812
Speaker 21: end of the day, you are the one that has

1865
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:01,852
Speaker 21: to make the final choice. You are the one that

1866
01:29:02,293 --> 01:29:06,173
Speaker 21: chooses whether to get well or go to a therapist

1867
01:29:06,372 --> 01:29:08,932
Speaker 21: for every single thing that happens in your life.

1868
01:29:09,253 --> 01:29:12,572
Speaker 4: Yeah, nicely, said Dan. Thank you very much, and glad

1869
01:29:12,732 --> 01:29:14,572
Speaker 4: it worked out for you. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1870
01:29:14,612 --> 01:29:15,333
Speaker 4: eighty is a number to call.

1871
01:29:15,372 --> 01:29:17,053
Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting one. If your therapist is telling

1872
01:29:17,093 --> 01:29:19,692
Speaker 2: you not to face the things that trigger you, that's

1873
01:29:19,692 --> 01:29:21,732
Speaker 2: an interest one because that's the opposite of what is

1874
01:29:21,772 --> 01:29:25,892
Speaker 2: it Cognitive behavioral therapy CBT, where you face your fears

1875
01:29:26,013 --> 01:29:29,972
Speaker 2: right and you know, say, for example, if you're scared

1876
01:29:30,013 --> 01:29:32,812
Speaker 2: of spiders, right, hiding from spiders makes you more scared

1877
01:29:32,812 --> 01:29:36,133
Speaker 2: of spiders. Spending time with spiders and forcing yourself to

1878
01:29:36,213 --> 01:29:38,772
Speaker 2: be around spiders makes you less scared and better to

1879
01:29:38,812 --> 01:29:39,173
Speaker 2: deal with it.

1880
01:29:39,333 --> 01:29:39,412
Speaker 16: Right.

1881
01:29:39,492 --> 01:29:41,452
Speaker 2: So I guess there's lots of different types of therapy. Right.

1882
01:29:41,853 --> 01:29:43,852
Speaker 2: If this therapy teaching you to avoid the things that

1883
01:29:43,933 --> 01:29:46,532
Speaker 2: trigger you, that's one way of looking at it. Another

1884
01:29:46,572 --> 01:29:49,333
Speaker 2: way it might be stare the things that trigger you

1885
01:29:49,492 --> 01:29:52,572
Speaker 2: right in the face and build up the strength to

1886
01:29:52,652 --> 01:29:53,053
Speaker 2: fight them.

1887
01:29:53,173 --> 01:29:53,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1888
01:29:53,933 --> 01:29:56,093
Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1889
01:29:56,133 --> 01:29:57,972
Speaker 4: call if you go to therapy on a regular basis.

1890
01:29:58,213 --> 01:30:00,253
Speaker 4: Love to hear from you and what value did you

1891
01:30:00,412 --> 01:30:02,293
Speaker 4: get from it? And if you went to therapy and

1892
01:30:02,412 --> 01:30:04,213
Speaker 4: you thought it was all just a bit of hogwash,

1893
01:30:04,412 --> 01:30:05,532
Speaker 4: really can never chat with you too.

1894
01:30:05,692 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 2: And if you're a therapist, i'd love to hear from

1895
01:30:07,853 --> 01:30:08,253
Speaker 2: you as well.

1896
01:30:09,053 --> 01:30:11,293
Speaker 4: Sell us it, sell us it, Yeah, tell us why

1897
01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:13,892
Speaker 4: you're so good? It is twenty one past three.

1898
01:30:17,853 --> 01:30:21,532
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1899
01:30:21,812 --> 01:30:23,493
Speaker 1: eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

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01:30:24,173 --> 01:30:26,133
Speaker 3: News Talk ZED, be very good afternoon to you. We're

1901
01:30:26,133 --> 01:30:27,052
Speaker 3: talking about therapy.

1902
01:30:27,293 --> 01:30:30,572
Speaker 4: Guy Montgomery said to Brody Kane in her podcast Key

1903
01:30:30,612 --> 01:30:33,612
Speaker 4: with Yarns that he regularly used therapy to help him

1904
01:30:33,652 --> 01:30:35,812
Speaker 4: deal with some of his self doubt as he became

1905
01:30:35,933 --> 01:30:37,772
Speaker 4: massive over in Australia's So we want to hear from you.

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01:30:38,133 --> 01:30:41,652
Speaker 2: The key point here is that he uses therapy not

1907
01:30:41,893 --> 01:30:45,372
Speaker 2: when he's at rock bottom, but when he's successful as well. Yeah,

1908
01:30:45,572 --> 01:30:47,892
Speaker 2: and more and more people are just using therapy all

1909
01:30:47,973 --> 01:30:50,973
Speaker 2: the time, you know, like the Americans. Yeah, yeah, but

1910
01:30:51,093 --> 01:30:52,852
Speaker 2: does it work? James, Welcome to the show.

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01:30:53,853 --> 01:30:54,333
Speaker 7: Are you're going to?

1912
01:30:55,652 --> 01:30:59,173
Speaker 18: My starting point to set the scene is self harm

1913
01:30:59,772 --> 01:31:05,532
Speaker 18: and three years ago the therapist kept me alive today,

1914
01:31:05,692 --> 01:31:07,173
Speaker 18: So it's a bit of I mean, he's a bit

1915
01:31:07,173 --> 01:31:10,812
Speaker 18: of a bigger story to it, and that me for

1916
01:31:10,933 --> 01:31:13,893
Speaker 18: it was a workplace issue, a bit of a complaint internally,

1917
01:31:14,293 --> 01:31:16,972
Speaker 18: got told to piss off the bosses in charge, make

1918
01:31:17,053 --> 01:31:19,612
Speaker 18: your choice. So when I got given there by HR,

1919
01:31:19,812 --> 01:31:21,732
Speaker 18: I walked out of the door and then went to

1920
01:31:21,772 --> 01:31:24,492
Speaker 18: the bridge in Wellington with the idea of jumping in

1921
01:31:24,532 --> 01:31:26,492
Speaker 18: front of a truck and go if you.

1922
01:31:28,013 --> 01:31:29,052
Speaker 7: That's payback.

1923
01:31:29,812 --> 01:31:31,812
Speaker 18: So as a result of that, I had a whole

1924
01:31:31,853 --> 01:31:34,572
Speaker 18: bunch of PTSD stuff that came up from the military

1925
01:31:35,173 --> 01:31:40,692
Speaker 18: and I was very lucky to involve veteran affairs. And

1926
01:31:40,893 --> 01:31:44,053
Speaker 18: as part of that process there was the mandatory requirement

1927
01:31:44,093 --> 01:31:46,692
Speaker 18: to go and see a therapist and listen. To be clear,

1928
01:31:46,772 --> 01:31:49,893
Speaker 18: that word therapist covers a lot of different things. It

1929
01:31:50,013 --> 01:31:52,893
Speaker 18: covers the spider one that you spoke about before, it

1930
01:31:53,053 --> 01:31:56,852
Speaker 18: covers eap etc. And the first thing I would say

1931
01:31:56,893 --> 01:31:59,572
Speaker 18: to anybody is that the first thing being is it

1932
01:31:59,692 --> 01:32:03,652
Speaker 18: allows you to think about things that have happened in

1933
01:32:03,772 --> 01:32:07,732
Speaker 18: a different way. It also lets you think that you're

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01:32:07,772 --> 01:32:12,053
Speaker 18: not a victim and that everybody else doesn't see you

1935
01:32:12,133 --> 01:32:15,013
Speaker 18: in the same light that you see within your own head.

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01:32:15,853 --> 01:32:16,293
Speaker 8: And that.

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01:32:17,973 --> 01:32:20,213
Speaker 15: Deals with things like over thinking.

1938
01:32:21,013 --> 01:32:24,133
Speaker 18: Natural reactions and all that sort of stuff. Unfortunately, in

1939
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Speaker 18: my case, I then a month later I written my

1940
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Speaker 18: Achilles tenure in the Bush, and then a month after

1941
01:32:28,933 --> 01:32:32,253
Speaker 18: that I had a massive polymemdoism where the clot went

1942
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Speaker 18: up from my leg and I died and then spent

1943
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Speaker 18: three months in hospital.

1944
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Speaker 7: So for me, that sucks. My parents it was pretty.

1945
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Speaker 18: Shite to live here.

1946
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Speaker 2: That's rough months. James.

1947
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Speaker 18: Yeah, So when I put out a hospital, I was

1948
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Speaker 18: into weekly sessions and then after eighteen months dropped to

1949
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Speaker 18: mon fortnightly to three week sessions. And then I'm now

1950
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Speaker 18: three and a half years and we're clear of that process.

1951
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Speaker 18: But it's available for me to go back.

1952
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Speaker 7: Now.

1953
01:32:58,532 --> 01:33:02,252
Speaker 18: What has helped me understand is I had buried myself

1954
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Speaker 18: into a hole where I thought everybody else was out

1955
01:33:06,293 --> 01:33:08,893
Speaker 18: to get me. I had no support, I had no

1956
01:33:09,053 --> 01:33:15,452
Speaker 18: friends to talk to. You feel ashamed, And what that

1957
01:33:15,772 --> 01:33:19,652
Speaker 18: was was actual caller's head, was the opportunity to talk

1958
01:33:19,772 --> 01:33:24,772
Speaker 18: to somebody where it's a no blame environment. Yeah, that's

1959
01:33:24,973 --> 01:33:28,173
Speaker 18: the best benefit, so they don't blame you. They didn't

1960
01:33:28,213 --> 01:33:30,532
Speaker 18: tell me I was right, didn't tell me I was wrong,

1961
01:33:30,692 --> 01:33:36,132
Speaker 18: but enabled me to talk and cry and without blame.

1962
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Speaker 18: And the therapist. If you want full value out of them,

1963
01:33:40,933 --> 01:33:43,973
Speaker 18: you've got it. You're the right person, because there's an

1964
01:33:43,973 --> 01:33:46,652
Speaker 18: awful lot of them. And I went to EAP during

1965
01:33:46,732 --> 01:33:50,093
Speaker 18: the complete process at work, but that lady had no

1966
01:33:50,412 --> 01:33:54,572
Speaker 18: knowledge of what business was about, had no visual connection

1967
01:33:54,692 --> 01:33:57,852
Speaker 18: in regards to what potentially I thought my brain was

1968
01:33:57,893 --> 01:34:01,532
Speaker 18: telling me I was going through. So if you get

1969
01:34:01,572 --> 01:34:03,093
Speaker 18: AAP as an example.

1970
01:34:02,853 --> 01:34:06,893
Speaker 2: And work John James for SINGAP, is that what is that?

1971
01:34:07,013 --> 01:34:07,973
Speaker 2: Is that an employment in.

1972
01:34:08,013 --> 01:34:13,652
Speaker 18: The employment the Employment Assistance program Employee Assistance Program, and

1973
01:34:13,772 --> 01:34:16,133
Speaker 18: a lot of businesses sign A lot of businesses sign

1974
01:34:16,253 --> 01:34:19,892
Speaker 18: up to EAP and they fund between two to five

1975
01:34:20,013 --> 01:34:21,772
Speaker 18: sessions for you to be able to go and deal

1976
01:34:21,853 --> 01:34:26,133
Speaker 18: with your workplace issues, which is a fantastic idea and

1977
01:34:26,253 --> 01:34:30,292
Speaker 18: a fantastic program, don't get me wrong, But not everybody

1978
01:34:30,412 --> 01:34:32,892
Speaker 18: you can gel with immediately. So if you don't gel

1979
01:34:32,973 --> 01:34:36,412
Speaker 18: with that person, ask for somebody else, because it's a

1980
01:34:36,492 --> 01:34:39,732
Speaker 18: no blame environment and somebody might not understand a business place,

1981
01:34:39,772 --> 01:34:42,133
Speaker 18: somebody might not ask the medical environment, somebody might not

1982
01:34:42,293 --> 01:34:47,013
Speaker 18: know anything about grief. The overall, I guess point is

1983
01:34:47,133 --> 01:34:51,333
Speaker 18: that hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people have gone

1984
01:34:51,372 --> 01:34:55,772
Speaker 18: through man mental anguish globally and there are some true

1985
01:34:56,013 --> 01:35:00,652
Speaker 18: value programs and steps that can bring you from rock

1986
01:35:00,732 --> 01:35:03,213
Speaker 18: bottom to keep you alive.

1987
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Speaker 2: Today, I'm so glad. I'm so glad it worked out

1988
01:35:05,933 --> 01:35:08,732
Speaker 2: for you, Jim James, that's that's fantastic. And and this

1989
01:35:08,893 --> 01:35:11,692
Speaker 2: therapy sounds like it was the thing for you. So

1990
01:35:11,853 --> 01:35:14,612
Speaker 2: you went in and you initially started talking to this

1991
01:35:14,732 --> 01:35:17,572
Speaker 2: therapist when you found the right one without judgments, so

1992
01:35:17,612 --> 01:35:21,572
Speaker 2: you could get it off your chest without without without judgment,

1993
01:35:21,652 --> 01:35:24,053
Speaker 2: someone could listen. And then at some point did they

1994
01:35:24,173 --> 01:35:28,213
Speaker 2: start giving you tools to move on to deal with

1995
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Speaker 2: the situations.

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Speaker 18: And that just started with things like breathing. Yeah, it

1997
01:35:33,893 --> 01:35:36,333
Speaker 18: started when you have you know, sometimes when you deal

1998
01:35:36,412 --> 01:35:38,972
Speaker 18: with dickheads around the world or around your say place,

1999
01:35:39,013 --> 01:35:40,293
Speaker 18: and the first thing you want to do is go,

2000
01:35:40,772 --> 01:35:45,892
Speaker 18: you're a So my thing is is that I then

2001
01:35:45,973 --> 01:35:48,732
Speaker 18: need to take their breath, let my brain catch up

2002
01:35:48,772 --> 01:35:51,772
Speaker 18: with my mouth, and then things could then progress in

2003
01:35:51,853 --> 01:35:54,893
Speaker 18: a different way. So the big part of that for

2004
01:35:55,013 --> 01:35:59,732
Speaker 18: me was to pause, don't overthink it, think and then

2005
01:35:59,812 --> 01:36:01,333
Speaker 18: say something. It's like when you go for a TV

2006
01:36:01,412 --> 01:36:04,293
Speaker 18: interview or with you guys and you get asked a question.

2007
01:36:04,372 --> 01:36:05,892
Speaker 18: The first thing you do it it's a hard question,

2008
01:36:06,333 --> 01:36:08,213
Speaker 18: Take a sip of that water that's on your table,

2009
01:36:08,893 --> 01:36:14,053
Speaker 18: because that five seconds will allow your brain to dereact

2010
01:36:14,133 --> 01:36:17,013
Speaker 18: to what's going on. So it sort of started with

2011
01:36:17,133 --> 01:36:19,333
Speaker 18: that sort of and I'm a big overthinker and I'm

2012
01:36:19,333 --> 01:36:21,572
Speaker 18: a big anxiety things like if I was going to

2013
01:36:22,213 --> 01:36:24,412
Speaker 18: an HR meeting, I'll think about fifteen things we're going

2014
01:36:24,492 --> 01:36:27,692
Speaker 18: to go pear shape, and sometimes none of those appeared.

2015
01:36:27,692 --> 01:36:31,372
Speaker 18: And it was a great day. So thinking about that,

2016
01:36:32,612 --> 01:36:35,213
Speaker 18: and then when you get to that point where you

2017
01:36:35,452 --> 01:36:39,012
Speaker 18: start to think, your whole brain changes. And it's actually

2018
01:36:39,053 --> 01:36:41,852
Speaker 18: a chemical thing. It's a proven chemical thing that if

2019
01:36:41,893 --> 01:36:44,133
Speaker 18: you start to think of things differently, you go out

2020
01:36:44,213 --> 01:36:46,852
Speaker 18: and do some exercise, you walk in the sunlight, you

2021
01:36:47,053 --> 01:36:48,492
Speaker 18: just sit on the side and have a cup of

2022
01:36:48,532 --> 01:36:50,612
Speaker 18: coffee or on ice cream and watch the kids play,

2023
01:36:51,213 --> 01:36:56,053
Speaker 18: your brain changes and it starts to think that being

2024
01:36:56,173 --> 01:36:56,852
Speaker 18: here is worth it.

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01:36:57,412 --> 01:37:00,293
Speaker 2: Well, James, I'm so glad that that it worked out

2026
01:37:00,333 --> 01:37:02,612
Speaker 2: for you, this therapy. And you know, I mean, the

2027
01:37:02,732 --> 01:37:04,612
Speaker 2: more you read about the stuff that that kind of

2028
01:37:04,692 --> 01:37:07,053
Speaker 2: thing you're saying there, James is one hundred percent. You

2029
01:37:07,093 --> 01:37:09,213
Speaker 2: know mind. You know you brought up the stoics. They've

2030
01:37:09,213 --> 01:37:11,092
Speaker 2: been saying that for the longest time. I mean Seneca

2031
01:37:11,333 --> 01:37:14,333
Speaker 2: said that the enemy of anger is delay. I mean,

2032
01:37:14,412 --> 01:37:16,732
Speaker 2: delay is a really important thing, breathing, you know all

2033
01:37:16,772 --> 01:37:19,652
Speaker 2: those things that James said. So I'm so pleased that

2034
01:37:20,412 --> 01:37:23,012
Speaker 2: it's that you're better now. You're feeling a bit better now, James,

2035
01:37:23,053 --> 01:37:24,253
Speaker 2: And thank you so much for sharing with us.

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01:37:24,333 --> 01:37:25,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a good man, James.

2037
01:37:25,372 --> 01:37:27,532
Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2038
01:37:27,532 --> 01:37:30,092
Speaker 4: to call if you use therapy on a regular basis,

2039
01:37:30,133 --> 01:37:30,972
Speaker 4: even of the good times.

2040
01:37:31,013 --> 01:37:32,812
Speaker 3: Love to hear from you. Did you get value from it?

2041
01:37:32,893 --> 01:37:34,452
Speaker 3: And what value did you get from it? It is

2042
01:37:34,612 --> 01:37:35,692
Speaker 3: twenty nine to four.

2043
01:37:38,133 --> 01:37:41,892
Speaker 14: You talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxi. It's

2044
01:37:42,013 --> 01:37:45,213
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. The final debate on

2045
01:37:45,412 --> 01:37:49,092
Speaker 14: overturning the last government's oil and gas ban has begun

2046
01:37:49,173 --> 01:37:53,213
Speaker 14: in Parliament. The Coalition will formally reverse the ban after

2047
01:37:53,293 --> 01:37:57,293
Speaker 14: the bill's third reading and vote this afternoon. The Government's

2048
01:37:57,333 --> 01:38:00,652
Speaker 14: welcoming a new FBI office being set up in Wellington,

2049
01:38:00,933 --> 01:38:04,412
Speaker 14: described as a milestone by the US Embassy with the

2050
01:38:04,492 --> 01:38:08,612
Speaker 14: aim of sharing information and working on joint investigations. It's

2051
01:38:08,652 --> 01:38:13,093
Speaker 14: been launched in person by FBI Director Cash Pattel. The

2052
01:38:13,213 --> 01:38:16,213
Speaker 14: Law Society is welcoming in the update for Judge Alone

2053
01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:20,333
Speaker 14: trial procedures being implemented tomorrow, but says much more needs

2054
01:38:20,372 --> 01:38:24,172
Speaker 14: to be done to speed up the courts. Climate liberation

2055
01:38:24,532 --> 01:38:27,692
Speaker 14: altro activists are into their fourth day of camping in

2056
01:38:27,772 --> 01:38:31,452
Speaker 14: a coal bucket at the West Coast Stockton mine, trying

2057
01:38:31,492 --> 01:38:34,532
Speaker 14: to stop cold leaving the mine. It's been transported by

2058
01:38:34,652 --> 01:38:38,852
Speaker 14: road as an INTRAM measure. Changes to wafts for private

2059
01:38:39,013 --> 01:38:42,772
Speaker 14: motor homes and light vehicles older than forty years begin

2060
01:38:42,893 --> 01:38:47,452
Speaker 14: in September, extending from six months to a year. Wellington

2061
01:38:47,532 --> 01:38:51,452
Speaker 14: idealists are acting like a bully over Auckland's housing. You

2062
01:38:51,532 --> 01:38:53,892
Speaker 14: can read the full column at ends at Herald Premium.

2063
01:38:54,213 --> 01:38:55,972
Speaker 14: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty six to four.

2065
01:38:58,692 --> 01:39:01,333
Speaker 2: A lot of love and rightly so for James and

2066
01:39:01,492 --> 01:39:03,412
Speaker 2: caller we just had before the ads. It's go to

2067
01:39:03,452 --> 01:39:05,772
Speaker 2: the ads, keep them on. But James was a great guy.

2068
01:39:06,333 --> 01:39:08,532
Speaker 2: This guy's gold. Notice how much calmer he is now

2069
01:39:08,612 --> 01:39:10,932
Speaker 2: compared to the start of the call. Yeah, I mean,

2070
01:39:11,293 --> 01:39:14,532
Speaker 2: James breathe for five seconds is so good it stops

2071
01:39:15,173 --> 01:39:17,972
Speaker 2: a truck running through the head. Pauses are not necessarily

2072
01:39:18,013 --> 01:39:20,812
Speaker 2: a problem. Yeah, I mean we've talked about this before

2073
01:39:20,893 --> 01:39:24,333
Speaker 2: on the show, the concept of the physiological side where

2074
01:39:24,372 --> 01:39:27,612
Speaker 2: you just take some time to breathe in through your

2075
01:39:27,652 --> 01:39:31,532
Speaker 2: nose and then breathe out. The way you do this

2076
01:39:31,652 --> 01:39:36,732
Speaker 2: one is to go so you breathe in through your

2077
01:39:36,772 --> 01:39:39,333
Speaker 2: nose right up and then one extra sniff. It's a

2078
01:39:39,372 --> 01:39:42,812
Speaker 2: complicated thing around filling the sex and your lungs completely,

2079
01:39:43,013 --> 01:39:45,532
Speaker 2: even the ones that aren't fill, and then exhaling longer

2080
01:39:45,572 --> 01:39:47,732
Speaker 2: than you breathed in. You do that three times, and

2081
01:39:47,853 --> 01:39:51,412
Speaker 2: it just gives you time to stop the miggler and

2082
01:39:51,492 --> 01:39:53,972
Speaker 2: the primitive parts of your brains firing up and going

2083
01:39:54,053 --> 01:39:57,133
Speaker 2: so crazy, and just it so works. And the funny

2084
01:39:57,173 --> 01:39:59,133
Speaker 2: thing is, you know, we have all these things and

2085
01:39:59,213 --> 01:40:01,492
Speaker 2: euroscientists come up with these things and therapists, but it

2086
01:40:01,572 --> 01:40:02,973
Speaker 2: was what my mum used to say to me. You know,

2087
01:40:03,013 --> 01:40:06,652
Speaker 2: I'd get angry and you'd go, okay, Matthew, just stop,

2088
01:40:07,133 --> 01:40:08,932
Speaker 2: count to ten and breathe.

2089
01:40:09,093 --> 01:40:09,293
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2090
01:40:09,372 --> 01:40:10,972
Speaker 2: You know, people have known that for all of time,

2091
01:40:11,053 --> 01:40:13,452
Speaker 2: but sometimes we forget it. And and in these moments

2092
01:40:13,492 --> 01:40:17,572
Speaker 2: when you're feeling really intense, you know, you don't feel

2093
01:40:17,652 --> 01:40:19,852
Speaker 2: like doing it, yeah, but if you can just take

2094
01:40:20,213 --> 01:40:23,932
Speaker 2: you know, do three big breaths in and out. Well, seriously,

2095
01:40:23,933 --> 01:40:26,972
Speaker 2: it sounds sounds trite because it's so obvious, but it really,

2096
01:40:27,093 --> 01:40:28,852
Speaker 2: it really does help anything. So thank you so much

2097
01:40:28,933 --> 01:40:29,933
Speaker 2: James for saying that.

2098
01:40:30,133 --> 01:40:30,492
Speaker 6: Genuinely.

2099
01:40:30,532 --> 01:40:32,452
Speaker 4: When I read that in your book and started doing that,

2100
01:40:32,572 --> 01:40:34,133
Speaker 4: that has been a game changer. I mean I used

2101
01:40:34,173 --> 01:40:35,892
Speaker 4: it this morning when that guy in the red truck

2102
01:40:35,973 --> 01:40:36,972
Speaker 4: splashed me with water.

2103
01:40:37,093 --> 01:40:41,452
Speaker 3: I thought, no, just do the breathing. Yeah, and it

2104
01:40:41,532 --> 01:40:42,412
Speaker 3: helps immensely.

2105
01:40:43,173 --> 01:40:47,253
Speaker 2: Marcusraelis said, how much worse are the consequences of anger

2106
01:40:47,492 --> 01:40:50,892
Speaker 2: than the causes? Alex, You're currently in therapy?

2107
01:40:52,772 --> 01:40:53,253
Speaker 16: Yes, I am.

2108
01:40:55,213 --> 01:40:55,852
Speaker 2: How's that going?

2109
01:40:57,412 --> 01:41:01,412
Speaker 16: No, really good. I've been in therapy for probably eight

2110
01:41:01,492 --> 01:41:07,412
Speaker 16: years now, and that's I mean, like the previous cause

2111
01:41:07,452 --> 01:41:13,812
Speaker 16: that started. It started with a workplace issue where I

2112
01:41:14,053 --> 01:41:20,253
Speaker 16: was being harassed, and then went to you know, the

2113
01:41:20,532 --> 01:41:26,372
Speaker 16: HR team, and then under our employment agreement or whatever

2114
01:41:26,372 --> 01:41:31,133
Speaker 16: it is, we got I got three free sessions. But

2115
01:41:32,333 --> 01:41:35,452
Speaker 16: you know it was just it was basically you know,

2116
01:41:35,772 --> 01:41:40,772
Speaker 16: open doors to to what was lying beneath this this

2117
01:41:41,133 --> 01:41:49,452
Speaker 16: work workplace issue, and it's I guess you know, it's

2118
01:41:49,572 --> 01:41:52,173
Speaker 16: it's kind of the first few sessions kind of helped

2119
01:41:52,213 --> 01:41:55,692
Speaker 16: me realize that this isn't a situation that I need

2120
01:41:55,812 --> 01:41:59,013
Speaker 16: to be in. There's far more important things that I

2121
01:41:59,093 --> 01:42:02,173
Speaker 16: need to focus on right now. And and that was

2122
01:42:02,652 --> 01:42:07,933
Speaker 16: that was my mental health. Yeah, like because yeah, but

2123
01:42:07,973 --> 01:42:12,093
Speaker 16: even for all that, you know, I was getting into

2124
01:42:12,213 --> 01:42:15,812
Speaker 16: trouble and drink driving and you know, got called over

2125
01:42:15,893 --> 01:42:20,812
Speaker 16: by the cops and lost my license. And you know,

2126
01:42:20,973 --> 01:42:23,612
Speaker 16: I think at the beginning, when I was doing all

2127
01:42:23,652 --> 01:42:29,093
Speaker 16: this reckless behavior, you kind of you're in your own

2128
01:42:29,452 --> 01:42:31,933
Speaker 16: head dealing with all these things in the background, and

2129
01:42:31,973 --> 01:42:34,013
Speaker 16: you kind of think why, you know, why is all

2130
01:42:34,053 --> 01:42:38,013
Speaker 16: this stuff happening to me? But it's it's You're just you.

2131
01:42:38,933 --> 01:42:39,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just kind of.

2132
01:42:42,053 --> 01:42:46,412
Speaker 16: Break down and you just need a therapist to kind of,

2133
01:42:47,293 --> 01:42:51,732
Speaker 16: you know, translate the foreign language that you're trying to

2134
01:42:52,452 --> 01:42:55,652
Speaker 16: trying to make up in your head to try and

2135
01:42:56,412 --> 01:42:57,652
Speaker 16: to try and function normally.

2136
01:42:58,093 --> 01:43:01,052
Speaker 2: So when you went first went to the therapist, Alex,

2137
01:43:01,692 --> 01:43:03,333
Speaker 2: you know, did you know straight away that this was

2138
01:43:03,412 --> 01:43:06,213
Speaker 2: first someone that could could help you? Did? Was that

2139
01:43:06,333 --> 01:43:09,532
Speaker 2: with you lucky enough to have someone that gelled with

2140
01:43:09,652 --> 01:43:10,452
Speaker 2: you right off the bat?

2141
01:43:13,412 --> 01:43:13,452
Speaker 6: No?

2142
01:43:15,933 --> 01:43:20,093
Speaker 16: So I would say, I mean, when yeah, when I

2143
01:43:20,133 --> 01:43:25,173
Speaker 16: first started seeing my therapist, I wasn't allowing myself to

2144
01:43:26,692 --> 01:43:29,013
Speaker 16: absorb the information that she was giving me.

2145
01:43:29,372 --> 01:43:33,933
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think a big thing is you.

2146
01:43:34,133 --> 01:43:39,933
Speaker 16: You really you have to be ready for therapy. You know,

2147
01:43:40,372 --> 01:43:44,293
Speaker 16: It's my therapist says. You know, it's like running, you know,

2148
01:43:44,973 --> 01:43:48,293
Speaker 16: the first you know, your first run sucks and and

2149
01:43:48,412 --> 01:43:52,372
Speaker 16: it's it's quite tough, but over time it gets better,

2150
01:43:53,333 --> 01:43:56,852
Speaker 16: and it's essentially therapy's gym, you know, the gym for

2151
01:43:56,973 --> 01:44:00,492
Speaker 16: the brain, you know, especially.

2152
01:44:01,572 --> 01:44:03,852
Speaker 7: You know, my core, my.

2153
01:44:05,333 --> 01:44:09,812
Speaker 16: Kind of baseline of therapy was you know, childhood trauma,

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Speaker 16: and you know, growing up through my twenties, I was

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01:44:14,013 --> 01:44:18,333
Speaker 16: doing you know, getting into drugs and drinking quite a lot,

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01:44:18,572 --> 01:44:21,732
Speaker 16: and I couldn't hold down a stable job because of

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Speaker 16: my behavior, and I was just acting out all the time,

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Speaker 16: and you know, just asking myself like why, like you

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Speaker 16: just kind of really yeah, I don't know if I'm

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Speaker 16: explaining that right now?

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Speaker 12: You are.

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Speaker 3: Did you have to spend a bit of time finding

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01:44:39,053 --> 01:44:41,572
Speaker 3: the right therapist, Alex, Did you go through a few

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Speaker 3: counselors before you found someone that you could connect with?

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Speaker 16: I think that's a really for anyone else. For me personally, No,

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Speaker 16: I found this therapist who was recommended by a friend

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Speaker 16: and she was fantastic I think for the first year

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Speaker 16: or the first two years, because I wasn't allowing myself

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Speaker 16: to kind of absorb the inform and put the tools

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Speaker 16: that were given to me in place, like you know,

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01:45:13,013 --> 01:45:16,333
Speaker 16: simple things like like what you're talking about before, like breathing,

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01:45:17,372 --> 01:45:21,053
Speaker 16: you know, stopping yourself, taking a step back, you know,

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01:45:21,293 --> 01:45:25,333
Speaker 16: feel your feet on the ground, take a breath, and

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Speaker 16: then address you know, a triggering situation or not not

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01:45:30,372 --> 01:45:34,692
Speaker 16: a triggering situation, but you know a slightly a mild inconvenience,

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Speaker 16: you know, I would say, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean James was saying the same thing that

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Speaker 2: that that breathing thing really helped him. So so Alex,

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Speaker 2: just to move forward. So you've been going to therapy

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Speaker 2: for eight years now, and is that with the same

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01:45:47,853 --> 01:45:51,173
Speaker 2: therapist that you've been or so you've still Does that

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Speaker 2: mean that therapy is something that's going to be with

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01:45:53,253 --> 01:45:55,932
Speaker 2: you for your whole life? Are you saying as something

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Speaker 2: that you will be for one of a better world

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01:45:59,093 --> 01:46:01,333
Speaker 2: word fixed and you can move on with your life.

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01:46:01,412 --> 01:46:03,452
Speaker 2: Or is therapy something you just think you're gonna you're

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Speaker 2: going to keep keep going to for for forever.

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Speaker 16: For me, personally, yes, because you know, I suffered a

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Speaker 16: quite huge event as a child. You know, something happened

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Speaker 16: to me beyond my control. You know that I wasn't

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Speaker 16: able to say, you know, I'd stop. I wasn't able

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Speaker 16: to remove myself from the situation. So for me personally,

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Speaker 16: I feel there are long term effects and effect that

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Speaker 16: have affected my life for the rest of my life

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Speaker 16: or or until I see you know, I see myself.

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Speaker 16: I don't know, that's a really hard question. I think

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Speaker 16: it's you know, it's down to the individual and what

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Speaker 16: really brings you to therapy.

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Speaker 7: But for some people, you know, I mean I speak

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01:46:57,253 --> 01:47:01,412
Speaker 7: for myself, you know I need it and and you.

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Speaker 16: Know it's that they could be sessioned from you know,

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01:47:04,973 --> 01:47:09,052
Speaker 16: once a week to every fortnight or months and months,

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01:47:09,572 --> 01:47:13,652
Speaker 16: And for me that's an indication on how and where

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01:47:14,652 --> 01:47:17,612
Speaker 16: how my mental health is going and where where I'm

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01:47:17,772 --> 01:47:21,292
Speaker 16: where I'm at with with you know, with with my therapist.

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01:47:21,612 --> 01:47:23,772
Speaker 2: But you're better now than you were, but you were

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01:47:23,893 --> 01:47:25,932
Speaker 2: You're better now, would you say, Alex, than you were

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01:47:25,973 --> 01:47:26,572
Speaker 2: eight years ago?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:47:30,173 --> 01:47:32,412
Speaker 2: But I mean, but as there are plateauing, do you

2211
01:47:32,452 --> 01:47:34,253
Speaker 2: think you can just get better and better or is

2212
01:47:34,333 --> 01:47:37,012
Speaker 2: there sort of a plateauing now where you've got better,

2213
01:47:37,133 --> 01:47:39,812
Speaker 2: but you're dependent on the therapist to stay above water,

2214
01:47:40,253 --> 01:47:42,053
Speaker 2: you know, for want of a better metaphor.

2215
01:47:43,173 --> 01:47:44,973
Speaker 16: There is Yeah, I mean, there is such thing as

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01:47:45,133 --> 01:47:48,372
Speaker 16: a plateau with your therapist. And then you you there's

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01:47:48,532 --> 01:47:52,013
Speaker 16: other types of therapy that you can that you can

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01:47:52,093 --> 01:47:57,053
Speaker 16: go into. I mean, I could list a couple that

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01:47:57,213 --> 01:48:01,053
Speaker 16: probably I shouldn't say on the raqio, but but you.

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01:48:01,093 --> 01:48:01,372
Speaker 1: Know, the.

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01:48:02,893 --> 01:48:05,492
Speaker 16: Even the science behind all that sort of those sort

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01:48:05,492 --> 01:48:09,093
Speaker 16: of types of therapy is going into that and and

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01:48:09,452 --> 01:48:12,452
Speaker 16: you know we've spoken about that moving on from my

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01:48:12,692 --> 01:48:17,852
Speaker 16: current therapist and going to a different form of therapy.

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01:48:20,492 --> 01:48:23,652
Speaker 16: But yeah, I think you know, for anyone out there

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01:48:24,412 --> 01:48:28,972
Speaker 16: wanting to get into therapy, like any therapist is better

2227
01:48:29,053 --> 01:48:33,812
Speaker 16: than no therapist. And you know, reaching a point in

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01:48:33,893 --> 01:48:37,772
Speaker 16: your life where you know a simple phone call could

2229
01:48:38,013 --> 01:48:42,692
Speaker 16: could could save your life. I mean, I there are

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01:48:42,853 --> 01:48:47,933
Speaker 16: times that I kind of went down a hole, but

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01:48:48,093 --> 01:48:51,253
Speaker 16: I was. I mean, I'm fortunate enough with my therapist.

2232
01:48:51,372 --> 01:48:55,012
Speaker 16: I could send her a text, she could either reply.

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01:48:55,652 --> 01:48:59,253
Speaker 16: She generally replies, you know, back with a text straight away,

2234
01:48:59,452 --> 01:49:02,932
Speaker 16: and then if it's really serious, it's it's definitely a call.

2235
01:49:04,333 --> 01:49:12,253
Speaker 16: But yeah, yeah, you know, just you've just got to

2236
01:49:12,333 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 16: do it, you know, in some sort of situations, you know,

2237
01:49:16,253 --> 01:49:17,372
Speaker 16: even if it's just once.

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01:49:18,452 --> 01:49:22,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, Alex, really appreciate your honesty. I mean you've been

2239
01:49:22,093 --> 01:49:23,732
Speaker 4: great to chat to and thank you very much. I'm

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01:49:23,732 --> 01:49:25,612
Speaker 4: glad it's going well and all the best to your

2241
01:49:25,692 --> 01:49:29,093
Speaker 4: going forward. But certainly sounds like it's making a world

2242
01:49:29,093 --> 01:49:31,053
Speaker 4: of difference for you, my friend. Oh, one hundred and eighty,

2243
01:49:31,053 --> 01:49:32,333
Speaker 4: teen eighty is the number to call.

2244
01:49:32,492 --> 01:49:34,012
Speaker 3: It is a quarter to four.

2245
01:49:35,452 --> 01:49:37,812
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

2246
01:49:37,893 --> 01:49:41,812
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

2247
01:49:41,812 --> 01:49:44,293
Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. It's twelve to four. We've been talking

2248
01:49:44,333 --> 01:49:46,612
Speaker 3: about regular therapy even during the good times.

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01:49:46,853 --> 01:49:48,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've heard from people that it's helped, like

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Speaker 2: James and Alex. But this Texas says, hey, guys, therapy

2251
01:49:51,013 --> 01:49:52,772
Speaker 2: is for weak minded people. I could write a book

2252
01:49:52,812 --> 01:49:55,173
Speaker 2: for all the torment and heartache I've had in my life.

2253
01:49:55,333 --> 01:49:58,013
Speaker 2: Made me stronger, move on, get over it. You only

2254
01:49:58,053 --> 01:50:01,572
Speaker 2: live once. Cheers. So that's the opposing opinion. Bruce Wall

2255
01:50:01,652 --> 01:50:05,133
Speaker 2: on the show, you're a qualified counselor. I understand, Yes,

2256
01:50:05,293 --> 01:50:11,012
Speaker 2: that's correct, right, And so obviously you support therapy as

2257
01:50:12,492 --> 01:50:14,612
Speaker 2: as a way to deal with people's problems, or else

2258
01:50:14,612 --> 01:50:15,253
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be doing it.

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01:50:16,612 --> 01:50:16,812
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:50:16,812 --> 01:50:20,053
Speaker 11: Absolutely, And actually after your last two calls, I don't

2261
01:50:20,053 --> 01:50:21,293
Speaker 11: know if I can say much more.

2262
01:50:21,532 --> 01:50:23,772
Speaker 2: Right, do you think that do you think it's something

2263
01:50:23,812 --> 01:50:29,612
Speaker 2: that should go on indefinitely? And supplementary question, do you

2264
01:50:30,412 --> 01:50:32,213
Speaker 2: think it's something that people should get in the good

2265
01:50:32,253 --> 01:50:33,012
Speaker 2: times and bad?

2266
01:50:35,732 --> 01:50:39,452
Speaker 11: I'm not sure whether it should go on indefinitely. I mean,

2267
01:50:39,572 --> 01:50:42,213
Speaker 11: and it's it's individual as well. I mean, like Alex

2268
01:50:42,412 --> 01:50:45,532
Speaker 11: was saying he had an early child experience that that

2269
01:50:45,893 --> 01:50:52,452
Speaker 11: damaged him. So you know, I think in his case,

2270
01:50:52,933 --> 01:50:57,133
Speaker 11: you know, like you said, he's been in people something

2271
01:50:57,213 --> 01:51:02,092
Speaker 11: like eight years, So that's no well deserved.

2272
01:51:02,133 --> 01:51:02,452
Speaker 5: I guess.

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01:51:05,093 --> 01:51:10,372
Speaker 11: Often I work majority ninety nine percent workers with men,

2274
01:51:11,412 --> 01:51:16,372
Speaker 11: and often we're not. It's not part of our DNA

2275
01:51:16,532 --> 01:51:20,173
Speaker 11: to talk about our stuff as men m So it's

2276
01:51:20,213 --> 01:51:25,772
Speaker 11: not until we have a crisis of some sort that

2277
01:51:25,933 --> 01:51:28,173
Speaker 11: we kind of reach out and start asking questions, you know,

2278
01:51:28,293 --> 01:51:28,852
Speaker 11: what's going on?

2279
01:51:31,053 --> 01:51:34,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you would you admit, Bruce that clearly

2280
01:51:34,732 --> 01:51:37,133
Speaker 4: you're a counselor. But for some people like that tech said,

2281
01:51:37,253 --> 01:51:39,213
Speaker 4: and I think Mett you're in the similar vein that

2282
01:51:39,412 --> 01:51:43,333
Speaker 4: for some people they probably are better at tackling what

2283
01:51:43,532 --> 01:51:47,012
Speaker 4: is going on, hit on themselves and figuring that out.

2284
01:51:47,333 --> 01:51:48,852
Speaker 3: For some people that's a better strategy.

2285
01:51:51,772 --> 01:51:54,013
Speaker 11: Not quite sure what it meant then, So are they

2286
01:51:54,093 --> 01:51:56,572
Speaker 11: better off sorting it out themselves, working through it themselves.

2287
01:51:56,692 --> 01:52:00,372
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the thing is there's there's there's there's

2288
01:52:00,452 --> 01:52:05,133
Speaker 2: talk of say CBT, for example, which is facing you know,

2289
01:52:05,652 --> 01:52:10,492
Speaker 2: and there's a there's a thought that therapy could just

2290
01:52:10,532 --> 01:52:12,532
Speaker 2: be talking about the stuff over over and over and

2291
01:52:12,612 --> 01:52:15,173
Speaker 2: over again, and you end in this sort of cycle

2292
01:52:15,253 --> 01:52:16,692
Speaker 2: of just talking about it, you know, you know what

2293
01:52:16,732 --> 01:52:21,173
Speaker 2: I mean as opposed to it to facing facing that

2294
01:52:21,372 --> 01:52:23,972
Speaker 2: the thing that's that's a problem for you and building

2295
01:52:24,093 --> 01:52:26,093
Speaker 2: up your resilience in that way.

2296
01:52:26,173 --> 01:52:31,132
Speaker 11: Bruce, Yeah, so you know, just you know, with CBT,

2297
01:52:31,532 --> 01:52:39,293
Speaker 11: So CBT is about restructuring the dysfunctional thoughts, so bringing

2298
01:52:39,532 --> 01:52:44,013
Speaker 11: in a balanced alternative thought to that stronger than the

2299
01:52:44,093 --> 01:52:49,892
Speaker 11: negative dominant thought that has been in place. A very

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01:52:49,933 --> 01:52:51,052
Speaker 11: simple kind of explanation.

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01:52:51,492 --> 01:52:51,692
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:52:52,372 --> 01:52:54,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you're scared of spiders, if you spend

2303
01:52:54,452 --> 01:52:57,012
Speaker 2: some time with spiders, you'll be less scared of spiders.

2304
01:52:57,093 --> 01:52:59,093
Speaker 2: Kind of the very basic way of looking at it.

2305
01:53:00,013 --> 01:53:01,812
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, all looking at pictures of spiders.

2306
01:53:01,893 --> 01:53:04,772
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But imagine that's something in

2307
01:53:04,853 --> 01:53:07,772
Speaker 2: your arsenal. Is it is it? As a therapist, You're

2308
01:53:08,053 --> 01:53:09,692
Speaker 2: you're listening to someone and then you're going, well, this

2309
01:53:09,853 --> 01:53:11,812
Speaker 2: might help this person, this might help this person. I've

2310
01:53:11,853 --> 01:53:12,732
Speaker 2: got some tools for you, you.

2311
01:53:13,372 --> 01:53:15,013
Speaker 11: Know, well, yeah, that's right.

2312
01:53:15,133 --> 01:53:16,093
Speaker 18: It's not you know, like.

2313
01:53:18,333 --> 01:53:22,293
Speaker 11: Count counters people and their individuals. So you know, whatever

2314
01:53:22,412 --> 01:53:24,692
Speaker 11: they find that works for them with their clients, is

2315
01:53:24,732 --> 01:53:28,333
Speaker 11: that that's what I use. So I use a raft

2316
01:53:28,412 --> 01:53:33,692
Speaker 11: of different modalities and theories. I just wanted to pick

2317
01:53:33,812 --> 01:53:36,012
Speaker 11: up on what you're You're talking about the breathing, which

2318
01:53:36,093 --> 01:53:40,733
Speaker 11: is really good. And what the breathing does is resets

2319
01:53:41,173 --> 01:53:47,293
Speaker 11: the polyvagual nervous system in the brain. So so that

2320
01:53:48,013 --> 01:53:50,972
Speaker 11: the same thing with cold showers, cold water will reset

2321
01:53:51,133 --> 01:53:54,572
Speaker 11: reset your your polyvagal nervous system. So that's the part

2322
01:53:54,652 --> 01:54:02,412
Speaker 11: that gets activated and causes anxiety. Often will cause anxiety, right, So.

2323
01:54:02,412 --> 01:54:06,452
Speaker 2: It sort of stops the catastrophizing and resets where you

2324
01:54:06,572 --> 01:54:08,173
Speaker 2: are so you can deal with it in a more

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01:54:08,372 --> 01:54:09,012
Speaker 2: national fashion.

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01:54:09,933 --> 01:54:14,253
Speaker 11: Yeah, So that's sort of the so, so I work

2327
01:54:14,293 --> 01:54:18,493
Speaker 11: with a lot of men, all men that have experienced

2328
01:54:19,013 --> 01:54:24,812
Speaker 11: sexual violence in their life, and so we'll have a

2329
01:54:25,293 --> 01:54:29,492
Speaker 11: mental injury of BDSD post traumatic stress disorder, which is

2330
01:54:29,853 --> 01:54:31,333
Speaker 11: an anxiety disorder.

2331
01:54:31,652 --> 01:54:34,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bruce, Bruce, I'm sorry we've run out of time,

2332
01:54:35,053 --> 01:54:36,413
Speaker 4: but really great to chat with you, and I think

2333
01:54:36,453 --> 01:54:37,253
Speaker 4: you explained that well.

2334
01:54:37,293 --> 01:54:39,092
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. We've got to play some messages

2335
01:54:39,173 --> 01:54:40,893
Speaker 3: and we'll get to a few more texts. It is

2336
01:54:41,213 --> 01:54:41,892
Speaker 3: seven to four.

2337
01:54:43,493 --> 01:54:46,893
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2338
01:54:47,213 --> 01:54:51,093
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams Afternoons US.

2339
01:54:51,053 --> 01:54:56,052
Speaker 3: Talks B, News Talks B. It is five to four

2340
01:54:56,173 --> 01:54:57,812
Speaker 3: and that is almost us for another day.

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01:54:57,933 --> 01:54:58,093
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:54:58,093 --> 01:54:59,373
Speaker 2: I don't know if we got to the bottom of

2343
01:54:59,693 --> 01:55:04,293
Speaker 2: therapy or not, but we did all agree. Everyone agreed

2344
01:55:04,373 --> 01:55:07,653
Speaker 2: that when you get stressed out, or you're worrying about

2345
01:55:07,653 --> 01:55:10,813
Speaker 2: something catast and getting angry whatever, getting.

2346
01:55:10,573 --> 01:55:14,093
Speaker 3: Triggered, Yep, doing the breathing yeah helps a lot.

2347
01:55:14,213 --> 01:55:16,932
Speaker 2: Doing the big breaths in and the big breaths out.

2348
01:55:17,013 --> 01:55:19,653
Speaker 2: Do three of those and it will certainly help you out. Yep.

2349
01:55:19,693 --> 01:55:20,253
Speaker 3: Game changer.

2350
01:55:20,413 --> 01:55:24,453
Speaker 2: Absolutely, everyone agrees with that. Yeah, Seneca, the ancient romans,

2351
01:55:25,493 --> 01:55:30,053
Speaker 2: the neuroscientists, the therapists and my mum all agree on

2352
01:55:30,133 --> 01:55:30,333
Speaker 2: that one.

2353
01:55:30,373 --> 01:55:33,453
Speaker 3: And your mum's a wise woman. Absolutely well, she was, Tyler.

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01:55:33,533 --> 01:55:35,852
Speaker 2: She passed away a few years again still yeah sure

2355
01:55:36,133 --> 01:55:38,932
Speaker 2: she still ye oh good good good. Note, Hey, thanks

2356
01:55:38,933 --> 01:55:40,533
Speaker 2: for so much for listening to the show. We love

2357
01:55:40,653 --> 01:55:43,453
Speaker 2: talking to you. The full show podcast will about and

2358
01:55:43,493 --> 01:55:45,333
Speaker 2: about an hour. So if you missed our traps on

2359
01:55:45,573 --> 01:55:49,493
Speaker 2: our chats on drugs on Facebook or using therapy long time,

2360
01:55:49,573 --> 01:55:53,693
Speaker 2: then follow our podcast wherever you get your pods. So

2361
01:55:53,853 --> 01:55:56,493
Speaker 2: Andrew Dickins is in for Heather Duplessy Allen up next.

2362
01:55:56,533 --> 01:56:00,213
Speaker 2: But right now, Tyler, why am I playing this song?

2363
01:56:00,293 --> 01:56:01,892
Speaker 2: Good buddy calling the gang?

2364
01:56:02,093 --> 01:56:02,893
Speaker 3: Is this emergency?

2365
01:56:02,933 --> 01:56:03,253
Speaker 7: Please?

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01:56:03,493 --> 01:56:04,413
Speaker 3: Great tune?

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Speaker 4: And as Steve and Joyce said, maybe we're getting a

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Speaker 4: little bit boy who cried Wolf with these agency alert

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Speaker 4: once again?

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Speaker 2: You get it right because I tell you an advice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Until tomorrow I'll give them a taste of Kiwi from us.

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