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Speaker 1: Ever, dup led father. After listening to that, I sided

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Speaker 1: with Winston Trevor. We're going to come back to that.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair point to make. Seventeen past five. Now

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Speaker 1: the Retail Advisory the Retail Crime Advisory Group is being

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Speaker 1: scrapped early. It's been announced the group is going to go.

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Speaker 1: It's been in hot water obviously. In recent months. Three

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Speaker 1: of the five members resigned due to leadership issues, and

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Speaker 1: Paul Goldsmith is the Justice Minister.

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Speaker 2: Hy Paul, Hello, how are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? So why have the others quit now?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, what happened was that we set this group

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Speaker 2: up for two years to focus on retail crime and

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Speaker 2: coming up with practical suggestions that will reduce that. It

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Speaker 2: was supposed to end in September. They've come up with

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Speaker 2: a lot of good ideas, particularly around helping small retailers

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Speaker 2: push back against the tide of crime that we inherited.

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Speaker 2: They've done most of the work. As it happened, three

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Speaker 2: of the five members had left early and so I've

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Speaker 2: decided to wrap it up in the next three months.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, So there haven't been further resignations. These

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Speaker 1: are just the existing resignation. So in which case, when

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Speaker 1: the resignations were first announced, you seem to be keen

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Speaker 1: to carry it on. So what's changed, what's changed your mind?

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Speaker 2: Well, I said I'd take stock, and I took stock,

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Speaker 2: and I decided, well, I could try and sort of

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Speaker 2: appoint new people for the next six months, but while

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Speaker 2: it wrapped up, or the simpler thing to do was say, look,

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Speaker 2: you've got a couple of things that you need to finish.

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Speaker 2: You've got three months to do that and then we'll

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Speaker 2: all go off on our merry way. And the government's

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Speaker 2: got lots of ideas to work with and it's all

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Speaker 2: about trying to reduce the level of retail crime.

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Speaker 1: So now, I mean, it is somewhat ridiculous to have

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Speaker 1: a committee that's only got two people on it, So

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Speaker 1: why not just disband it now rather than carrying on

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Speaker 1: for another three months.

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Speaker 2: Well, because they're halfway through a couple of issues around

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Speaker 2: facial recognition and the security industry, they can bring in

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Speaker 2: some expert advice just to finish that off, and so

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to just cut them off midway through.

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Speaker 2: In relation to those two issues, the basic reality is

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Speaker 2: that they've been very efficient. They've got through a lot

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Speaker 2: of work. If you're thinking about the Crime's Amendment Bill

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Speaker 2: that we've got before Parliament, around citizens arrest issues, around

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Speaker 2: infringement fines for shoplifting, tres spas orders, and there's public

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Speaker 2: public public sort of safety issues more broadly. So they've

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Speaker 2: come up with some good ideas and you know, they've

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Speaker 2: been quite sort of controversial at times, and I wanted

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Speaker 2: that because you know, we need to have some ferocious

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Speaker 2: defense of retailers working in New Zealand and pushing back.

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Speaker 1: Hey, what's been the most controversial though, is how much

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Speaker 1: money Sunny Kocial has been charging and apparently working every

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Speaker 1: single hour that he's awake. Do you regret that?

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Speaker 2: No? Look, I mean, look, there's been constant a focus

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Speaker 2: on Sonny and what he's been up to, and look,

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Speaker 2: I just all I'm interested in is results, and what

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Speaker 2: I wanted to see was some good, hard hitting ideas

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Speaker 2: that will make a difference to people who are working

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Speaker 2: at the retail sector and pushing back against the tide

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Speaker 2: of time that we inherited. And the good newsers were

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Speaker 2: making great progress on that and there's more to do.

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Speaker 1: Paul's good to talk to you. Thanks very much, Paul, Goldsmith,

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