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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

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Speaker 2: John Boyeger has a legendary status for his ability to

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Speaker 2: say he has fought the Lightsaber, stood up to the Empire,

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Speaker 2: and been an integral part of a brand new generation

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Speaker 2: of Sci Fi and Star Wars stars. He shot to

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Speaker 2: famous former stormtroop of Finn in the Star Wars sequel

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Speaker 2: trilogy and has since carved out an amazing career as

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Speaker 2: an actor, producer, activist, and storyteller with real purpose. This weekend,

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Speaker 2: John is in New Zealand for the Armaged Exposed Massive

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Speaker 2: thirtieth anniversary event, and I caught up with him just

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Speaker 2: before he flew out to our shores.

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Speaker 3: John, Good morning, how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you, delighted to be speaking with

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Speaker 2: you and delighted that you are making your way to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Have you been to New Zealand before?

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Speaker 4: I've never been me, never never been, so I'm very

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Speaker 4: very excited to go down there.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those places that you only really come

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.

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Speaker 4: But hence why I've alreadys dreamed of having a chance

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Speaker 4: to come out to New Zealand. To be honest with you, ever,

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Speaker 4: sence Lord of the Rings and Chronicles, not I'm coming

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Speaker 3: When it comes, I can't wait. I can't wait to.

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Speaker 2: See it, superb. Hey, well, what are these events like

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Speaker 2: from your perspective? Because Armor given to us is the

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Speaker 2: kind of the mecca fan event for you know, for

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders. But but what is it like when you're

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Speaker 2: there and you come to a place like New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Does it give you a new appreciation for the scale

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Speaker 2: of fandom and you know, the parts of the world

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Speaker 2: in which you are a huge name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's yet to be normal to me

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Speaker 4: to be recognized by people who are so far away,

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Speaker 4: especially from where I grew up and my stomping ground.

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Speaker 4: So to be in a position where you can come

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Speaker 4: and someone knows your name and knows your work and

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Speaker 4: appreciates your work, I think that is This is something

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Speaker 4: that I actually don't get over, to be fair, I

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Speaker 4: don't get over that when I leave London and go

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Speaker 4: down the street and they do that, you know, so

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Speaker 4: talkless of New Zealand. I mean, it's it's it's shocking

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Speaker 4: to see, but just speaks to the fandom.

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Speaker 3: You know. They love what they love wherever they are.

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Speaker 2: Do you like it? Do you like it when people

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Speaker 2: come up to you and say, hey, John, John Dale,

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Speaker 2: I loved you on this, and you're sort of thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: I can just keep to myself here. I'm just going about.

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Speaker 3: My in general. In general.

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Speaker 4: In general, I do and I definitely appreciate it. But

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Speaker 4: as you know, every individual case is different. It just

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Speaker 4: depends on the people and their approach and what I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've got you know, some sandwich in my mouth,

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Speaker 3: I'm just out and about, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've met, I've met I've met people in

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Speaker 4: they are absolutely just amazing.

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Speaker 2: And I suppose when you're not again and like you

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Speaker 2: just you pick your moments for the sandwich, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, pick your moment. It's not about the sandwich. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because I'm curious, I'm always. I also, I'm at a

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Speaker 4: and it brings fans together, and otherwise I wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: I think a more intimate experience with the people you

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Speaker 2: How well invested in the Star Wars universe were you

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Speaker 4: I was really just a really big fan of it,

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Speaker 3: So it's a fan's dream, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it really is. I just feel like

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Speaker 2: how do you like, how do you look at the

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Speaker 4: Oh, you kind of know the inner workings of of

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Speaker 4: reason for loving the film so much and loving Star

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Speaker 3: Amazing people buying the scenes.

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Speaker 4: Unspoken for that do such magnificent work, and if they didn't,

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Speaker 4: how we all have to collaborate from different teams. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the actors know how much work you've done, and then

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Speaker 4: makes you appreciate filmmaking and being part of one of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of thinking about Today. I'm

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Speaker 2: speaking to actor John Boyega, who played Finn and Star

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Speaker 2: for arm Again. I'm sure you're asked about this all

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Speaker 2: the time, but I think you made a really conscious

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Speaker 2: from your perspective of Star Wars. And you made the

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Speaker 2: you talked about Star Wars being I think you said

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Speaker 2: I suppose making comments like that are pretty brave for

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Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think it's brave at all.

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Speaker 4: Everybody that works on Star Wars are rich, wealthy individuals

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Speaker 3: I think it's just all saying what it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's not a lot of other people in

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Speaker 3: So I'm just saying what's visible.

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Speaker 4: Everybody knows that there are Star Wars has came out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I suppose The reason that struck me as

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Speaker 3: Honestly, it just so.

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Speaker 4: Happened that that documentary came out a bit later, so

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Speaker 4: people still think it's on the same topic, and honestly,

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Speaker 4: the whole conversation has moved on, moved on from that

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Speaker 4: since it's been so long, and I know that they

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Speaker 4: were kind of like efforts by Lucasfilm to diversifyre with

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Speaker 2: You know, they cloned Tyrone, who was just quite a

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Speaker 4: Jenimie Fox being attached was very interesting because obviously, you know,

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Speaker 2: Definitely a positive. Right you say the name Jemi to it,

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Speaker 4: to just be given a chance to start with some

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Speaker 4: Joelle Taylor was the first time director, and I wanted

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Speaker 3: And I think Tyrone represents the.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I really enjoyed that project.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because you sort of think in the

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Speaker 2: but in the streaming age you can see that from creators' perspectives,

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Speaker 2: there might be two different paths to go down when

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Speaker 2: as an artist, and it might be a bit quirky,

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Speaker 2: it might be a little bit unusual, but actually it's

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Speaker 2: like that is prehaps the kind of path that Juelle

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Speaker 2: and that that Jamie and you took with the Client Iran.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, it definitely feels like a movie that grows

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Speaker 4: as you said, it pushes barriers and it's, you know,

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Speaker 4: Shoelle Taylor's baby, and I think that being a part

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you're coming to New Zealand fer Armageddon. You know,

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Speaker 2: we have a film industry, right the film industry that

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Speaker 2: extends beyond Lord of the Rings and Nannia. Is there

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Speaker 2: any opportunity for you to maybe come down here and

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Speaker 2: spend a bit more time filming.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. I would love to you.

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Speaker 4: If I'm filming something in New Zealand, it's probably a

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Speaker 4: fantastic gig. So I'm gonna hope that that happens, man,

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Speaker 4: because I would absolutely love that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had delighted your coming here, John, Travel safely.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time and can't wait

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Speaker 2: to see your soon.

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Speaker 4: Oh we'll see everybody there, can't wait to meet Please

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Speaker 4: come out, please come up, come see me.

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Speaker 2: That is John Boyega the good news as you can

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Speaker 2: go and see John today. Orkan's Armageddon has just launched.

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Speaker 2: Is the thirtieth anniversary of Armageddon, so it is gonna

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Speaker 2: be a big one. And of course it's on right

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