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Speaker 1: Here the Pocono whiskey. No, not that one, not that one.

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Speaker 1: And actually I still and I've tried it. I'm still

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Speaker 1: telling you now the scape Grace beats that thirteen away

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Speaker 1: from five verries.

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Speaker 2: So cooldn't agree more?

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Speaker 1: Do you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No? Absolutely? Is that why the Pocono is still sitting

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Speaker 1: there with about an inch left in the bottle?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: You drank i'm a bottle, but you left the inch.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't think I drank most of the bottle,

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Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, I think I've only had one

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Speaker 2: or two of the pocono ones. Yes, but certainly the

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Speaker 2: scape Grace.

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Speaker 1: What have you got written on the top of your page?

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Speaker 2: La freud?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: That is the one you were looking for one?

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Speaker 1: All right? So what's going on with the racism?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean it is an election campaign,

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Speaker 2: and I thought Takuo to Ferris, he's always running on

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Speaker 2: at the mouth making mistakes, so whenever he enters into

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Speaker 2: the fray, and he should never have been poking his

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Speaker 2: nose into the tumacking Macauda by election anyway, but nevertheless

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Speaker 2: he did, and that post I think was offensive. He

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Speaker 2: said his mind Indians Asians Blacks and Pakia campaigning stake

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Speaker 2: Maldi seat from Malory, and then he had emojis with

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Speaker 2: his head exploding and looking confused. While he's a confused

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Speaker 2: man about politics, I think he doesn't understand the basic

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Speaker 2: tenants of the business. Willie Jackson certainly said the post

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Speaker 2: by Ferris is out of line.

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Speaker 3: It's totally unacceptable and really it's showing huge disrespect to

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Speaker 3: those people who will support Maori. You know, we don't

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Speaker 3: apologize and Labor for working with our different electorates, some

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Speaker 3: of them Paya ethnic Pacifica. We think it's great ma'

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Speaker 3: got strong Maori membership, but one of the things in

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Speaker 3: Labor is everyone's contributing and it's not just about Miles,

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Speaker 3: it's about it's about New Zealand. So it's really disappointing

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Speaker 3: from him. He should know better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think certainly, Penny hen On I would think

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Speaker 2: would be odds on favorite. If you're looking at the

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Speaker 2: tab lay money on him. I'd so. It seems that

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Speaker 2: Ferris's political boss, Debbie Narriwa Paka, she agrees with Willie.

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Speaker 4: It's a style of politicking that we don't like and

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Speaker 4: we're not good at doing so please forgive us when

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Speaker 4: our farno are human and they're really trying to say,

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Speaker 4: why are we fighting general role or general electric in

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Speaker 4: peace and all of this and so anyway, the media and.

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Speaker 5: Of course guess who the first one was? New Zealand

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Speaker 5: Hero couldn't wait to jump up. They've been dying to

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Speaker 5: jump up and finds us slip up? Well, guess what

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Speaker 5: We're going to slip up numerous times in life. And

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Speaker 5: my autle heart for all the offense caused.

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Speaker 1: Grovel, grovel, Something funny is going on here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is the party Barry, this is the Marti Party

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Speaker 1: Hope accused the government of genocide, who regularly use I

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Speaker 1: mean the other day I saw a photograph of one

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Speaker 1: of them posing with a pistol, I mean for exactly,

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Speaker 1: and happy to say bizarre things about superior DNA and

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Speaker 1: their policies. How have they completely unapologetic for all of that?

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Speaker 1: So why are they suddenly apologizing for this?

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Speaker 2: It's a by election and it's being held on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: But it does Do they think that they're going to

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Speaker 1: repel their voters with something like this? Or can I

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Speaker 1: give you? Can I get yes?

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Speaker 6: I think they do feel possible is it possible that

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Speaker 6: Labor and the Marori Party have realized that in order

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Speaker 6: for the two of them to be a credible alternative

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Speaker 6: for government, that kind of racist crap has got to.

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Speaker 1: Are we actually seeing the start of the Maori Party

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Speaker 1: being a bit responsible?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think. I think after this, after the

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Speaker 2: by election's over, it'll be back to business as usual.

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Speaker 1: Oh I thought I thought this was I thought with them,

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Speaker 1: this was this was them leading up to responsibility in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, so Judith Collins has been in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one of these top secret meetings. I've been on

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Speaker 2: a couple to Iraq and to Afghanistan after the Taliban

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Speaker 2: got out of there. So they are top secret. They're

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Speaker 2: quite fun to be on if you're a journalist. And

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Speaker 2: she did take one or two journalists with her. I

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Speaker 2: think because you have to be sworn to secrecy, you

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Speaker 2: can't allow anyone to know where you're going, what's happening.

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Speaker 2: And so that's what happened. She went to Kiev, which

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Speaker 2: is pretty you know, pretty dodgy place at the moment,

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Speaker 2: but Crusha Colin she went there as Defense minister. She

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Speaker 2: met her Ukrainian counterpart. She met the foreign affairs minister

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Speaker 2: in the country, and you know, good luck to her.

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Speaker 2: And I think the solidarity that New Zealand showing to Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: I think is very important. And just by the way,

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Speaker 2: there's relation to Ukraine. Now, I think there's a bottle

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Speaker 2: of gin that you owe me, because I was reading

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Speaker 2: today that neither Zelenski nor Putin appear ready for direct

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Speaker 2: talks about another meeting, and that comes from Trump himself.

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Speaker 2: He said, that doesn't appear to be really, they don't

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Speaker 2: appear to be ready for direct talks. Ask means that

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Speaker 2: means that Putin, that's bloody taken advantage of Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Barry, you are correct.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And I have escape graces.

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Speaker 1: And I do owe you a bottle of gin. I

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Speaker 1: was far too optimistic about Trump's ability to pull something

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Speaker 1: like this off. He has failed, has he not? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Barry. Barry Sober, Senior political correspondent.

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