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Speaker 1: Nine the numbers Text would love your feedback this afternoon,

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Speaker 1: just gone nine after four. If all goes to plan,

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Speaker 1: you could be using a digital driver's license by the

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Speaker 1: end of the year, no more physical license and this

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Speaker 1: would be stored on a government app. Digital Services Minister

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Speaker 1: Judicon says quote, the main thing is to not stuff

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Speaker 1: it all up. Paul Spain's the CEO Gorilla Check with

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Speaker 1: me this afternoon. Paul good, are you Ryan? Good to

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Speaker 1: have you on the show. How hard is this? What

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Speaker 1: is there to stuff up?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's losing losing our valuable data. I think you know,

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Speaker 2: most people would like their information kept private and not

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Speaker 2: not leaked all over the web. You know. I think

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Speaker 2: we want something that is as well well built and

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Speaker 2: as robust when when it launches. That's that's really important.

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Speaker 2: And it seems like they're trying to speed this along

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Speaker 2: and you know that that could mean we end up

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Speaker 2: with issues. And yeah, as we know, governments and businesses

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Speaker 2: are not always very good at protecting our confidential data.

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Speaker 2: So these things need to be done in a really,

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Speaker 2: really well structured manner.

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Speaker 1: They've done this in New South Wales apparently very successfully,

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Speaker 1: and not just for the licenses but other products government

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Speaker 1: products as well. Is there are there places where they've

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Speaker 1: done this in an app and it's not been secure.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what we've seen from governments all around

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Speaker 2: the world is the more data they collect, the more

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Speaker 2: data that they end up losing and leaking. So in

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Speaker 2: the US, for instance, they set up a database. I

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Speaker 2: think this was at the border for people sort of

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Speaker 2: you know, crossing between the US and Mexico with license

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Speaker 2: plate information and you know whose license plates related to

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Speaker 2: who and so on. That was done maybe at pace

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Speaker 2: as well. They used an external firm outside of government

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Speaker 2: to do it, and then it came out that all

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Speaker 2: of this data that was in there ended up being

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Speaker 2: able to be accessed by parties who shouldn't have had

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Speaker 2: access to the data. And we've seen that all around

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Speaker 2: the world, you know, including New Zealand, where government doesn't

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Speaker 2: always do a great job of keeping data that should

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Speaker 2: be private private.

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Speaker 1: Paul, on that basis, will you keep your physical license

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Speaker 1: if you get the option.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm always a big proponent for leveraging technology where

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Speaker 2: we can, so I'll be having a look at it,

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Speaker 2: probably pretty pretty carefully. Get my head around it. Reality

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Speaker 2: is probably all of our driver's license data is already

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Speaker 2: you know, well, it is already in a database that

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Speaker 2: the government holds. It's going to be. How different is

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Speaker 2: this approach and trying to weigh up the risks. I

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Speaker 2: think there'll be a lot of convenience factors of being

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Speaker 2: able to have our driver's license on our phone, So

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Speaker 2: you know, I would say a lot of us will

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Speaker 2: probably move move along in that direction.

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Speaker 1: You pretty swiftly, Paul, Appreciate your time. Paul Spine's CEO

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