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Speaker 1: You're trusted home for news, sport, entertainment, opinion and Mike

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Speaker 1: the my casking Breakfast with the Defender Embraced the impossible news,

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Speaker 1: Tom said, be bulling and.

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Speaker 2: Welcome today we are backed the baby as the services

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Speaker 2: sector finally gets into positive territory. New Darter on how

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Speaker 2: many of us have a tertiary qualification small flu It's

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Speaker 2: quite a lot, actually, Tom Phillips inquiry starts today. Mark

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Speaker 2: and Jinny line it up for election year in politics

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Speaker 2: Whennsday Richard Arnold, Steve Price, they reflect an increasingly crazy world. Pasky,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the day. Seven past six. Yes were standing

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Speaker 2: by for the election date today. Apparently it's not what

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Speaker 2: it was, of course, kind of like budget's really the suspense,

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Speaker 2: the scuttle, but the guessing game it's all gone. You

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Speaker 2: might remember Elbin Easy not having learned our list and

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Speaker 2: got himself in dreadful trouble last year. Remember that failed

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Speaker 2: to forecast date, so they guess and guest and second guest,

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Speaker 2: and then that flooding and the storms came, so it

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Speaker 2: delayed what was supposed to be an announcement. But that's

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Speaker 2: what you get when you're a power freaking you think

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Speaker 2: holding the cards counts for something. John Key put all

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Speaker 2: that to bed some years ago. You return from holiday

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Speaker 2: and the date latter part of the year, it'll be

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Speaker 2: basically you get on with life. I mean, short of

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Speaker 2: the government falling apart, elections should be scheduled at the

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Speaker 2: end of a three year term. Also soon apparently some

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Speaker 2: policy and perhaps this business of housing to be dealt

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Speaker 2: with specifically. The thinking is the Auckland issue needs to

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Speaker 2: be sorted. Elections, rightly or wrongly, are one and lost

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Speaker 2: in Auckland, and the government's two million house housing plan

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Speaker 2: is one of those ideas that one no one quite

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Speaker 2: gets and two freaks people out. When we had Counselor

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Speaker 2: Morris Williamson on last year, he suggested we ask Minister

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop just where the two million figure came from,

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Speaker 2: because he could work it out. What we do know

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Speaker 2: is the Council were forced into agreeing to it. If

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Speaker 2: they didn't, that three house, three story on a regular

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Speaker 2: plot plan was a goer, and no one like that either,

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Speaker 2: And that, sadly is the trouble with housing in big cities.

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Speaker 2: No shortage of monas and issues, big shortage of solutions

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Speaker 2: and agreement around them. What I do know from personal

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Speaker 2: experience is having uncertainty in the market, which is what

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Speaker 2: we have kills enthusiasm and demand, and that's what the

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Speaker 2: government freaking out about. And quite rightly, what's going on

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Speaker 2: next door? You ask the agent. The agent doesn't know,

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Speaker 2: of course, no one knows. Could be nothing, could be

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Speaker 2: an eleven story headache in suburbia. Who's buying a house

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Speaker 2: next to that? Nightmare? And that is what the Bishop

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Speaker 2: plan has created, and that hopefully is what gets fixed

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Speaker 2: and fast.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's Greenland via Darbos this morning. So we've got

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Speaker 2: two themes. Theme one is espoused by a mister Macron

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Speaker 2: or France.

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Speaker 3: It's ad will a shift towards a world without rules,

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Speaker 3: where international law is trampled and was the only law

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Speaker 3: that seems to matter is that of the strongest and

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Speaker 3: imperial ambitions are russurfacing.

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Speaker 2: So he's worried about international law. Is also wearing Biden

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Speaker 2: esque aviators with blue lenses, which took away from the

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Speaker 2: gravitas at the moment, but maybe that's just me. Then

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Speaker 2: Theme two, the glass half full of Europe is.

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Speaker 4: Going to look at its strength, look at its weaknesses.

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Speaker 4: Do you know a big swart analysis and decide what

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Speaker 4: do we need to do to be strong by ourselves,

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Speaker 4: to be more independent, to rely on the internal trade

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Speaker 4: that we do with each other.

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Speaker 2: Trump, who's due and Arbos today is still fizzing over

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Speaker 2: the first year of his two point zero experiment A year.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's been a term like and I

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Speaker 5: don't think any president has had a better first year

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Speaker 5: than we've had in terms of success.

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Speaker 2: Incredible Trump. Then in London, the government's given the green

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Speaker 2: light of the Chinese to build that GAG GAINTU and embassy.

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Speaker 2: It's gone down well with the Tory.

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Speaker 6: China is infiltrating universities and businesses to acquire sensitive technology

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Speaker 6: as well as stealing it directly. Yet this government has

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Speaker 6: failed again and again to take the action needed.

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Speaker 2: Who's the woman going Dan, who's the security Minister? He's

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Speaker 2: as cool as with it.

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Speaker 7: All the collective work across UK intelligence agencies and HMG

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Speaker 7: departments to formulate a package of national security mitigations for

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Speaker 7: the site has been in our expert, professional and proportionate.

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Speaker 2: As for poor old David and as miss as the

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Speaker 2: causing one would imagine a lot of grief.

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Speaker 8: But I've always spoke about, you know, social media and

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Speaker 8: the power of social media, you know, for the good

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Speaker 8: and for the bad.

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Speaker 9: You know, with the bad.

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Speaker 8: We've talked about with what kids can access these days,

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Speaker 8: and it can be it can be dangerous.

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Speaker 2: And that is News of the World in nineties. Next

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Speaker 2: where we were on the theme China, the Bank of

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Speaker 2: China one year five year prime rates unchanged. They thought

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Speaker 2: then maybe something was happening because their growth number wasn't

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Speaker 2: if you're interested in this sort of thing, there's a

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Speaker 2: regulatory concern growing international concern about the market action in China,

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Speaker 2: the Shanghai, the Shenzing, the Beijing. The turnover is gargantuan.

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Speaker 2: Regulatory tightening is suggesting an overheating of activity, So watch

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Speaker 2: that could be a red flag. Twelve past six, The.

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Speaker 2: Trump Tante this Morning involves a threat of two hundred

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Speaker 2: percent tariffs on French wines because apparently Macron is going

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Speaker 2: to refuse to join the Board of Peace. Everyone's been

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Speaker 2: invited to I hope you got you to invite I've

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Speaker 2: been invited to join the Board of Piece, but you

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Speaker 2: don't want to hang out with Lukashenko and Putin obviously,

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Speaker 2: so Macron's going to turn it down as a result

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Speaker 2: of that. Trump's pactor said two hundred percent tariffs on

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Speaker 2: to you morning, Mike. Now that is that services sector,

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Speaker 2: the final piece. You got the manufacturing, you got the confidence,

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Speaker 2: you got the GDP that that's what we were waiting.

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Speaker 10: For in them.

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Speaker 11: Indeed, there's some great news of in the service sector.

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Speaker 11: So let's recall women and it read for two years nearly,

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Speaker 11: so we're finally broken through into expansion mode. So the

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Speaker 11: formance of services in next it's about fifty to fifty

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Speaker 11: one point five in December, so that's the first time

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Speaker 11: it's gone there for twenty one months, strongest reading since

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty three. It's still a little bit below the

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Speaker 11: long term average, but heading in the right direction. And

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Speaker 11: as you say, basically the recovery is broadening, and we

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Speaker 11: upside risks now to gendp Mikes, that's good clearly where

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Speaker 11: twenty five and as good as we're seen now in

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Speaker 11: do lag activity and other business service surveys show improvements,

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Speaker 11: so we're not quite in a boom just yet. But yeah,

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Speaker 11: the long wait for the service sector to move forward

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Speaker 11: is finally arrived, and yeah, it should strengthen the overall

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Speaker 2: Like fletchers or not.

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Speaker 12: They certainly did.

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Speaker 11: Yes, the flesh years up over two percent. So they're

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Speaker 11: selling the construction division. There's been obviously lots of talk

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Speaker 11: they have a good price for you with think this

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Speaker 11: is going to construction firm a global powerhouse Vincy Construction

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Speaker 11: minimum three fifteen million, that could rise to three thirty

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Speaker 11: positive transaction. They're exiting a structurally low margin, high risk

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Speaker 11: it's delivered some pretty nasty surprises along the way. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: they're executing on what they promise. Obviously, they had that

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Speaker 11: strategic review last year, the selling non core assets, and

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Speaker 11: I think my yellow earnings are just going to become

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Speaker 11: a bit cleaner and easier to forecast. They're not sort

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Speaker 11: had problems with in the past. Seen aside fifty five

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Speaker 11: a condection center. That's the big cavit and some civil claims.

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Speaker 11: But I have to say, I think it clears the

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Speaker 11: decks a little bit. So, you know, got as much

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Speaker 11: uncertainly around legacy contracts like Welly Airport, and they're returning

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Speaker 11: to their strengths, you know, areas where they have scale,

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Speaker 11: price and power, more stable margin costs are going out.

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Speaker 11: It's twenty three workers going out of a total twelve

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Speaker 11: and a half thousand, and importantly for investors, Mike the

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Speaker 11: dividend in twenty seven becomes a lot more realistic debts

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Speaker 11: being paid down. And we've just got clean leverage. They're

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Speaker 11: still going to get the construction upturned leverage, Devia product

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Speaker 11: volumes and let's face it, history supports the strategy when

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Speaker 11: they sold Trailing and Australia volumes and performance improved. Doesn't

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Speaker 11: fix everything overnight, but it does go a long way

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Speaker 11: to doing so. This is a bit of an aside.

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Speaker 11: Bringing Vinci into the industry I think could actually increase competition.

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Speaker 11: You've got a global power play for a bit more

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Speaker 2: Should we so very well put this sea of read

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at in America? Is this are we're freaking

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Speaker 2: out about Davos and Greenland and Trump and all that

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Speaker 11: Absolutely so. Yeah, market's sort of certainly risk off. So

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Speaker 11: Also, we're watching the Supreme Court decision, so the threat

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Speaker 11: over tariffs for Europe and vice versa. Could this all

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Speaker 11: Supreme Court? So I think that's quite a pivotal thing

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Speaker 11: that investors will be looking at. But yeah, certainly selling

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Speaker 11: off markets don't like uncertainly and we've got that in

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Speaker 11: spades a little bit at the moment. But yeah, interesting

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Speaker 11: a bell whether they're not just post it notes, but

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Speaker 11: they're a bit of an industrial powerhouse and their earnings

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Speaker 11: were going to be closely watched. Sales six billion dollars.

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Speaker 11: Earnings also beat forecasts, but you know, the outlook disappointed bit.

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Speaker 11: So they're seeing growth of the year of just three percent.

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Speaker 11: So it tells us, Mike, global economy is still a

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Speaker 11: bit even. But we've got some bright spots. We know

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Speaker 11: about AI. They're doing well in the back of data

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Speaker 11: seeing and buildouts. Also my related renaissance in nuclear, so

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Speaker 11: that's now our narrative and they got exposure that through

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Speaker 11: niche technologies and new nuclear reactor builds. But yeah, this,

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Speaker 11: yes that the economy have all just a little bit patchy.

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Speaker 11: They're looking to exit some low growth businesses. Investor reaction

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Speaker 11: not great to three she is down seven percent. You'd

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Speaker 11: have to say border market weakness and Greenland. Part of

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Speaker 11: it also might were awaiting results from Netflix after ours.

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Speaker 11: Just a bit of new z. They have sweeten their

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Speaker 11: offer for Warner Bus Discovery. They really need to do

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Speaker 11: the steal. They made it all cash as opposed to

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Speaker 11: cash and stock.

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Speaker 2: Good shup. What are the numbers?

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Speaker 11: So yeah, there's a bit of red on the on

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Speaker 2: Call me in her. But I've been fascinated about this

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Speaker 2: Been Mike, what constitutes hate speech? How will the courts

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Speaker 2: What an excellent question, and in that lies the yengst

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Speaker 2: What does the pledger's sale mean for construction? And are

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Speaker 2: Mike and you too. Is this good news?

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Speaker 2: Are you confident that I'm trying to work out what

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Speaker 15: There might be some better flow through with these projects.

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Speaker 15: It should open up some more competition. It might put

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Speaker 2: Things for Gay Fletcher's finished selling stuff.

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Speaker 15: Do you know, I think all Fletchers have decided to

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Speaker 17: Think they're just making a great business decision to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Carl, nice to catch up, go well, we'll

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Speaker 2: The bleakness that is the British economy continues to keep well.

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Speaker 1: Two International correspondence with ends at Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold, good morning you good? What do you make

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Speaker 2: Sending mine for a little bit of something in the

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Speaker 13: doubt about that. Right this after he slammed his NATO

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Speaker 13: partners in France, Britain, Denmark, Norway while rolling out another

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Speaker 13: welcome match for Putin. In recent hours, we've seen a

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Speaker 13: slew of private messages between leaders made public, including one

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Speaker 13: from French President Macron, who tells Trump quote, I don't

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Speaker 13: understand what you're doing on Greenland. Maccron also says France

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Speaker 13: will not join what Trump is calling a US led

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Speaker 13: board of Peace overseeing the wreckage in Gaza. This is

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Speaker 13: the board to which Putin has been invited, says Trump.

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Speaker 5: Did you say that? What nobody wants it? Because he's

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Speaker 5: going to be out of officers, So you know that's

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Speaker 5: all right. What I'll do is, if they feel like Caste,

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Speaker 5: I'll put a two hundred percent two put his wines

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Speaker 5: and champagne.

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Speaker 13: Talking about Macron, he says it's irrelevant and if he

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Speaker 13: persists with this, the US for slap massive tariffs on

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Speaker 13: his wines and champagnes. Trump then went back to the

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Speaker 13: Greenland threats, posting an aiimage showing himself hoisting an American

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Speaker 13: flag over the country with a banner reading Greenland, US

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Speaker 13: territory established twenty twenty six, He says, we have to

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Speaker 13: have it.

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Speaker 18: They have to have this done. They can't protect his deadmark.

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Speaker 18: You're wonderful people, and I know the leaders have erated

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Speaker 18: good people, but they don't even go there. And you

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Speaker 18: know because they both went there five hundred years ago.

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Speaker 18: And then love that does he give you titled?

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Speaker 13: Wonder what say Columbus or which Helen or others would

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Speaker 13: think of that anyway? In another leaked exchange, Norway's PM

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Speaker 13: sent a note signed Unice and Alex, the latter being

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Speaker 13: the Finnish president, saying, let's deescalate on this Greenland stuff,

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Speaker 13: and as for the Nobel Peace Prize, that's a private thing,

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Speaker 13: nothing to do with the government of Norway. Trump replied, quote,

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Speaker 13: dear units, considering your country decided not to give me

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Speaker 13: the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars plus

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Speaker 13: in all caps, I no longer feel an obligation to

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Speaker 13: think purely of peace, although it will always be.

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Speaker 2: Predominant, etc.

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Speaker 13: Then Trump, at his late night press gig, jump back

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Speaker 13: onto the peace prize issue, saying he is not interested

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Speaker 13: in the Peace Prize, not at all, but then ranting

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Speaker 13: about it again at length.

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Speaker 18: If anybody thinks that Norway does it, does it control.

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Speaker 5: The no Belt Prize. They're just getting them aboard. But

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Speaker 5: it's controlled by Norway, and I don't.

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Speaker 13: Care what Dorway's He doesn't care, which is why he

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Speaker 13: talks about it all the time, and in his later

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Speaker 13: statement links his failure to get the Nobel Peace Prize

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Speaker 13: to his demand for Greenland, which is an independent territory

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Speaker 13: of Denmark over which Norway has no call at all.

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Speaker 12: A little bit crazy.

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Speaker 13: Trump Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen is advising European leaders to

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Speaker 13: chill out, do.

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Speaker 1: Not escalate, do not escalate, and President Trump has a

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Speaker 1: strategy here hear him out well.

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Speaker 13: Others say it is not fine, and the President of

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Speaker 13: the EU's executive Murler Fondelyon warns that NATA was under

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Speaker 13: threat from within and that quote, the old way of

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Speaker 13: doing things is over this as Canada is seeking openings

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Speaker 13: new openings with China, and the U was just joined

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Speaker 13: in a new free trade block in South America between

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Speaker 13: the twenty seven nation EU and countries including Argentina, Brazil,

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Speaker 13: Paraguay and Uruguay, creating one of the world's largest free

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Speaker 13: trade zones and reshaping the world economic map.

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Speaker 2: Like it or not fascinating. Where are we at with Minnesota?

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Speaker 13: Tensions still high as ICE agents continue their rage. The

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Speaker 13: Federal Justice Department now has issued a subpoena for the

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Speaker 13: state's attorney General, Keith Ellison, for allegedly impeding law enforcement.

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Speaker 13: So much for free speech here. State officials call this

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Speaker 13: nothing more than bullying by the Feds. Meantime, a naturalized

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Speaker 13: American citizen, Scott Tao, is telling of how he was

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Speaker 13: dragged from his home by ice agents who broke down

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Speaker 13: his front door with guns drawn. They then handcuffed him,

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Speaker 13: dragged him out into the snow with almost no clothes.

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Speaker 13: He had on his underpants and his grandson's blanket. It

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Speaker 13: was frigid. He was held by ice agents for some

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Speaker 13: hours and later was returned into his home without any

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Speaker 13: explanation and without any apology.

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Speaker 2: So your Friday, Richard onld side side, givin you some

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Speaker 2: who I seem to remember. I gave a speech last

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Speaker 2: year that just said on running in twenty eight Democrats

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Speaker 2: stand by on you candidate anyway. So he's very articulate man.

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Speaker 2: He's rick to California, of course. So whether you can

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Speaker 2: take that record and run it right around America or

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Speaker 2: I've got no idea, but he isn't dabbles but articulate

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Speaker 2: today as well.

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Speaker 19: It's time to buck up, It's time to get serious.

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Speaker 19: You can stop being complicit. It's time to stand tall

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Speaker 19: and firm, have a backbone. Yeah, I mean I've seen

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Speaker 19: this in the United States. This isuplying Congress playing both sides.

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Speaker 19: You know, say one thing on a text or a

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Speaker 19: tweet another publicly. Just I can't take this complicity people

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Speaker 19: rolling over. I should have brought up a bunch of

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Speaker 19: knee pads for all the world leaders.

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Speaker 20: I mean handing out crowns and hanging out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is pathetic. Nobel prizes they're.

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Speaker 20: Being given a I mean, it's just listen and help people.

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Speaker 20: I understand how pathetic they look and the world stage.

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Speaker 20: I mean, at least from an American perspective, it's embarrassed

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Speaker 20: this A year ago, we should have been having this

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Speaker 20: conversation and they didn't. Okay, and now you're paying the price.

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Speaker 2: Got a point eleven to seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike costing Breakfast with the Defender and use togs

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Speaker 1: dead b.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Mike, have ComCom allows Z to buy Celtics?

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Speaker 2: How could they turn down gull indepaid. That's that's a

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Speaker 2: fair point. Also, good to hear you back. MPD and

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Speaker 2: Goal and the others are just giant vending companies. They're

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Speaker 2: definitely not service stations where you go to for more

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Speaker 2: than just fuel. Larry, it's funny you should say that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're correct in saying it. If you want

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Speaker 2: to run a book, I would imagine the ComCom will

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Speaker 2: allow the merger for the simple reason that you pointed out,

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Speaker 2: you right, ones in the South Island largely and the

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Speaker 2: others in the North Island largely, And so I don't see.

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Speaker 2: If they can get some synergies and efficiencies and all

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff and the price of pittrol comes down,

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Speaker 2: then great, And they're already in the market as a

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Speaker 2: cost leader, if you like. But it's funny because my

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Speaker 2: local recently went from being what you would loosely call

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Speaker 2: the service station to just literally there's no one there now.

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Speaker 2: You just use your car. But I use my card anyway.

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Speaker 2: I don't go to the service station for anything other

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Speaker 2: than petrol. Why would I want to buy an expired

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Speaker 2: liter of milk and a pinky bar. But having said that,

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Speaker 2: while they were transferring my service station into what it

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Speaker 2: is now from what it was, and presumably laying a

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Speaker 2: few people off, I had to go down the road

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Speaker 2: to the one that's the exact opposite of that, which

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Speaker 2: is one of those ones with the cafe and a

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Speaker 2: restaurant and a car wash and a masseuse parlor and

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Speaker 2: a furniture shop, and basically it's Costco that sells petrol.

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Speaker 2: It's incredible, And what I noticed there because they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: let you pay at the pump. You had to go in,

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Speaker 2: and that really got up my nose because I don't

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Speaker 2: want to go in because the service is nonsense. And

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Speaker 2: the amount of food that's being eaten at these places,

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Speaker 2: and I'm thinking it's more food than petrol. So if

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Speaker 2: you do it, begin do it well. People love a

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Speaker 2: pie and a coffee, so that's good. I just don't

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Speaker 2: know how much petrol's being sold because the parks where

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Speaker 2: the cars were that didn't have anything to do with

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Speaker 2: the petrol were full, while the petrol pumps weren't, so

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Speaker 2: it was really just a restaurant that happened to If

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Speaker 2: you wanted to get some petrol on the side, you could,

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Speaker 2: So there's clearly two models at play here. I like

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Speaker 2: the simple one, and other people who like pies like

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Speaker 2: the other one.

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Speaker 21: Don't don't underestimate how much people love pinky bars. It's

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Speaker 21: funny that that's the one that's sprang to mind for you.

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Speaker 21: Is that the one you go for the pinky.

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Speaker 2: The caramel one, Pixi Caramel, Pixi Caramel.

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Speaker 21: No longer lasting two.

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Speaker 2: I'd go for that one. Five minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Well, the inns and the ouse. It's the fizz with

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Speaker 1: business fiber take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Now, a little look into advertising for you. Advertising where

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Speaker 2: they're putting their money digitally? This is globally, where are

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Speaker 2: they putting their money digitally these days? These stats come

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Speaker 2: from a market intelligence company called centertaw. So last year,

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Speaker 2: more than half the ads on Insta ran on reels.

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Speaker 2: Now you know reels. Reels are sort of short form videos.

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Speaker 2: Fifty percent of the ads ran on reels, and that's

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Speaker 2: up from thirty five percent the year before. In the US,

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Speaker 2: reels accounts for forty six percent of time spent on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: So if you go on Instagram, forty six percent of

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Speaker 2: the time you're on reels. You confused yet, which is

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Speaker 2: up from thirty seven percent of the year before, So

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Speaker 2: it's gone from thirty seven to forty six. What Center

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Speaker 2: Tower also suggesting is advertisers are trying to follow the audiences.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to work out where are the audiences consuming

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Speaker 2: this content? So very big business for meta meta owns Insta,

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Speaker 2: Institut's part of reels. Really confused, you an't? There's reels

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Speaker 2: on Insta and that's owned by Meta. You got it,

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Speaker 2: not by Google?

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Speaker 12: Google?

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Speaker 2: Separate? Where was I eighty five billion? That's what they

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Speaker 2: went from advertising? Eighty five billion dollars? Now where are

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Speaker 2: we at with social media? This is interesting? On average,

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Speaker 2: eighty one minutes a day is on TikTok. What I

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Speaker 2: can't work out is eighty one minutes a day on

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Speaker 2: TikTok on average, eighty minutes on YouTube, fifty five minutes

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Speaker 2: on Instagram. Now is that separate or combined? So I

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Speaker 2: can you speak in eighty one minutes on TikTok and

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Speaker 2: eighty minutes on YouTube and fifty five on instat or

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Speaker 2: is it all separate? So if you spent your eighty

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Speaker 2: one on TikTok and you didn't go elsewhere, I'm on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: so I'm on the bike every day, and I'm on

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Speaker 2: the bike like for half an hour. So I'm not eighty,

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Speaker 2: but I'm thirty. But I don't go anywhere else.

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Speaker 21: Well, you don't go anywhere. It's a stationary bike.

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Speaker 2: No, that is true. What would you do ten ks?

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Speaker 2: And Glenn? If you hopped on my bike? How long

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Speaker 2: do you reckon? It would take you to do ten k?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 21: I have to put the seat up a bit.

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Speaker 2: Under an hour. I knocked it off the other day

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Speaker 2: in fifteen fifty fifteen fifty for ten Kate, is that impressed?

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Speaker 2: If you're asking yourself.

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Speaker 21: And you're still didn't really go anywhere?

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Speaker 2: The honey yell it is?

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Speaker 12: It is not.

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Speaker 2: I didn't go anywhere. I went in my mind places

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Speaker 2: and that's the main thing for me. I like to

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Speaker 2: go places in my mind. Sometimes I do it live

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Speaker 2: on the radio anyway. The news is next.

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Speaker 1: Compelling the breakfast show you can't best. It's the Mic

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Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way

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Speaker 1: News togsad be on.

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Speaker 2: Thing seven past seven. Will the services sector result the

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Speaker 2: final piece of the recovery story later? Services Index Positive

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Speaker 2: territory fifty one point five hasn't been there for close

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Speaker 2: to two years, up four point three from November. Catherine

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Speaker 2: Rich's the Business New Zealand Chief Executive and as well

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Speaker 2: as Catherine good Morning, Good Morning, so manufacturing GDP broad confidence.

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Speaker 2: Is this the last piece in the puzzler we set

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Speaker 2: to go?

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Speaker 16: I think so. I mean, it's taken nearly two years

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Speaker 16: for the service services sector to kick in to gear.

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Speaker 16: It's still fragile, but it's worthwhile acknowledging because as you

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Speaker 16: said in your intro, it's been a long time for

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Speaker 16: there is be expansion in the services sector. It's a

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Speaker 16: really important part of our economy. Nearly seventy percent of

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Speaker 16: New Zealand business the economy is made.

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Speaker 17: Up of services.

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Speaker 16: So it's a positive start.

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Speaker 12: To the year.

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Speaker 2: Is this stable? Are we on a path?

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Speaker 16: Well, it's not a trend yet and we're just over

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Speaker 16: the fifty market fifty one point five. But what was

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Speaker 16: good about the results was that the positive change came

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Speaker 16: from the indicators that mattered new orders in particular.

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Speaker 22: And look, it's a really.

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Speaker 16: Important part of the economy. It's transport, its health, it's retail,

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Speaker 16: its hospitality. So finally it would seem that the positive

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Speaker 16: influences of everything else is starting to filter through. So

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Speaker 16: it's certainly worthwhile acknowledging.

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Speaker 2: Not all subindices were above or into positive territory. Will

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Speaker 2: they be.

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Speaker 16: They're not, and that's why the expansion is not at

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Speaker 16: the It wouldn't describe it as a boom, but at

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Speaker 16: least after nearly two years, we're moving forward. So it'd

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Speaker 16: be important to look at the result next year, sorry

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Speaker 16: for the next month, but certainly really positive.

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Speaker 2: What's your view, there's noise v reality thing. So the

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Speaker 2: big surprise for me over the Christmas period was that

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Speaker 2: GDP number out of August, September, October, in other words

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Speaker 2: Q three. While back then we were bitching and moaning

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Speaker 2: about everything being miserable, we were in fact growing and

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Speaker 2: growing quite well. Are we mentally bogged down when in

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Speaker 2: reality it's.

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Speaker 1: Not that bad.

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Speaker 23: Well.

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Speaker 16: Part of discussing the economy is just having some perspective.

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Speaker 16: Some of the changes the governments made have been long

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Speaker 16: term reforms, so you don't see instant change things like

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Speaker 16: changes to RMA, employment, law, education, etc. And the expectation

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Speaker 16: that some people have that there's going to be an

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Speaker 16: instant's success it is not realistic. We're talking about trying

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Speaker 16: to turn around an economy. We haven't opened a packet

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Speaker 16: of noodles and expect instant results. So I think over

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Speaker 16: a period of time in twenty twenty six, I think

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Speaker 16: you'll see business being far more upbeat because we need

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Speaker 16: to remember also that many business people don't sit around

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Speaker 16: waiting for the government to decide what it's going to do.

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Speaker 16: They're looking at opportunities, they're seeing things to do in

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Speaker 16: the local economy and they're just putting one foot in

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Speaker 16: front of the other and getting on with it.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a good news story for now. Caspin

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Speaker 2: appreciate it very much. Catherine rich Business New Zealand Chief

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Speaker 2: Executive number of fifty one point five. Ten minutes past seven,

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Speaker 2: pask get the public inquiry into the handling of that

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Speaker 2: Tom Phillips case that's under way today. Did government agencies

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Speaker 2: take all practicable steps to safeguard the children that police

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Speaker 2: are rung a Tamriki Ministry for Children all that. Matthew Hayge,

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Speaker 2: lawyer and former police officer, is with us. Matthew morning,

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Speaker 2: good morning, makeel. I didn't know you're a former police officer.

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Speaker 2: Now he sill was obvious fault going in? Or is

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Speaker 2: this so unique you just simply had to have an inquiry.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the.

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Speaker 17: Lesser, and I would go further than that and say

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Speaker 17: I don't think there is obvious fault from the past

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Speaker 17: of place. I think certainly there will be things that

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Speaker 17: they could have done better. This is a complex situation

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Speaker 17: involving children at risk?

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Speaker 12: Is it?

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Speaker 2: I can't get my head around the idea as to

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Speaker 2: whether we do these things for the sake of doing them,

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Speaker 2: and there will be recommendations and there will be fault

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Speaker 2: found because nothing's perfect. Does anything material result as because

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Speaker 2: of that? Or is it just we're doing something for

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Speaker 2: the sake of it?

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Speaker 17: I think it depends on the terms of reference with

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Speaker 17: an inquiry, and I was quite critical of the first

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Speaker 17: COVID inquiry, for example, in the way those terms of

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Speaker 17: reference are very narrow. I think these terms of reference

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Speaker 17: are sufficiently why to allow meaningful recommendations to be made.

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Speaker 17: Whether or not government agencies take those up as another question.

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Speaker 17: They usually do, and in this case, i'd expect with

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Speaker 17: the public scrution, there there would.

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Speaker 2: What about the variables around things like the police. I mean,

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Speaker 2: having talked to the police minister and some police men

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Speaker 2: for example, what they thought he might do, what could unfold?

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Speaker 2: How do you inquire about that into things that didn't happen.

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Speaker 17: I think by talking to those places and this was

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Speaker 17: an ongoing situation across a number of years, which is

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Speaker 17: part of the problem. Police would have done exhaust of

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Speaker 17: risk and less over those years. There's going to be

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Speaker 17: documentary evidence that justice small can look at as part

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Speaker 17: of his work.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, well we'll see where it goes. Appreciate your

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Speaker 2: expertise for now. Matthew Haig, a lawyer, former police officer.

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Speaker 2: Twelve minutes past seven, first of the first of the

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Speaker 2: election year retirements. Give me fifty bucks. You tell me

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Speaker 2: who it is, too late, Adrianafe.

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Speaker 21: Who's I was going to say?

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Speaker 11: There?

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Speaker 2: No, you weren't former speaker, A likable guy, largely ineffectual,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not being too unkind at this particular point,

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Speaker 2: I mean local MP. The locals probably loved him. They

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Speaker 2: voted him four times, came into Parliament in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was a very good speaker. I thought

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Speaker 2: he sat there and he was very balanced, very fair

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Speaker 2: in a very understated, quiet, almost elegant sort of way.

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Speaker 2: And as I watched him last year at the back

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Speaker 2: of the back of the chamber, at the very back,

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Speaker 2: I thought, mate, you must be bored out of your

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Speaker 2: tree once you've had a decent job, once you've been

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Speaker 2: speaker or being in cabinet, sitting at the back there,

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Speaker 2: how And I, honestly, I don't want to win my

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Speaker 2: own prize, but I honestly thought, how long before you retire.

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Speaker 2: See I was right.

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Speaker 21: Okay, your here's your fifty.

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Speaker 2: Here's why I want a pinky bar. It's thirteen past.

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Speaker 1: The like asking breakfast, full show podcast on I have

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Speaker 2: I don't want to get into semantics because Reese tells

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Speaker 2: me Duncan Webb was the first to do a runner,

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Speaker 2: which is, of course Ree's technically true. But I did

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Speaker 2: say the first of the election year retirement. So I

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Speaker 2: still want the pinky bar. But your point is that

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Speaker 2: he was going off to do adventuring. Remember Duncan Webmany

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Speaker 2: announced his retirement last year, was going off to do adventuring.

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Speaker 21: Shall we send Reese like twenty five bucks?

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, twenty five a piece, Reese, you're a winner this

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Speaker 2: morning as well.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: New study sixteen past new study, it's from a Tiger

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Speaker 2: University calls for fiber to be added to the list

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Speaker 2: of essential nutrients for human consumption. That would be the

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Speaker 2: first change, by the way, in fifty years. So the

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Speaker 2: research points basically two way reduction in heart disease in Kansas.

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Speaker 2: German co author professor of medicine and human Nutrition at

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Speaker 2: the university.

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Speaker 22: And is with us. Good morning and good morning to you, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is interesting. I read a piece the other day.

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Speaker 2: It was an international piece, I think it was in

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Speaker 2: the BBC, and it was suggesting there's an increased buzz

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Speaker 2: around fiber and our view towards it. Are you part

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Speaker 2: of that? Is there something happening with fiber at the

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Speaker 2: moment globally?

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Speaker 22: Well, it's an interesting question. I mean, it's been picked

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Speaker 22: up by social media worldwide and it's the inn thing

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Speaker 22: at the moment, certainly in social media. But having said that,

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Speaker 22: there's been a parallel increase in the amount of information

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Speaker 22: on dietary fiber in the scientific literature.

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Speaker 2: So we're learning still.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think we have learned that dietary fiber is

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Speaker 22: really an essential part of our diet if we want

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Speaker 22: to be healthy. I'm not saying it is impossible to

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Speaker 22: be healthy if you don't have much fiber, but it

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Speaker 22: certainly is one of the most important contributors to a

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Speaker 22: healthy diet.

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Speaker 2: Most people would most people know Areman's Lental's beans. Most

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Speaker 2: people would know there, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think most people know that if you constipated

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Speaker 22: and you increase the amount of dietary fiber that you have,

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Speaker 22: it will help constipation, and I think probably it goes

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Speaker 22: a bit further. Certainly, for a long time it's been

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Speaker 22: known that it's good for certain bile diseases, for irritable

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Speaker 22: bile disease, inflammatory bile disease. But I think the body

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Speaker 22: of literature has increased enormously in the last few years

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Speaker 22: to show that diughtary fiber is protective against our two diabetes,

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Speaker 22: colon cancer, conorectro cancer, one of the most important cancers

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Speaker 22: that we have, heart disease, and a number of other

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Speaker 22: conditions too, to the extent that just a couple of

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Speaker 22: years ago the World Health Organization came out with a

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Speaker 22: very strong recommendation that most of the world was not

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Speaker 22: eating enough dietary fiber and should eat quite a bit more,

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Speaker 22: and actually specified how much more. But I mean, the

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Speaker 22: recent act that we've to be undertaken is really to

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Speaker 22: try and suggest that dartary fiber should be regarded as

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Speaker 22: the central nutrient rather the same way that we regard

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Speaker 22: some vitamins, you know, minerals as essential. If you don't

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Speaker 22: take vitamin C, you'll get scurvy. Well, that's the category

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Speaker 22: that we wish dartary fiber to be in now.

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Speaker 2: Making it essential changes materially.

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Speaker 22: What do you think, Well, it really changes the emphasis

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Speaker 22: that is given to dietary fiber in nutritional recommendations. For example,

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Speaker 22: it encourages people that sell food and prepare food to

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Speaker 22: increase the amount of dartary fiber in the food intake.

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Speaker 22: And I think that people understand the concept of essentiality,

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Speaker 22: that is, to be healthy, you've got to have vitamins,

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Speaker 22: you've got to have protein, certain mino acids in protein,

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Speaker 22: and I mean we would like people to put dietary

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Speaker 22: fiber in that category that really to get the best

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Speaker 22: out of one's health potential, dietary fiber is one of

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Speaker 22: those nutrients that should be listed along with those, as

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Speaker 22: I say, are mino acids, protein, and vitages.

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Speaker 2: So Jim, appreciate your time. So Jim and co author

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Speaker 2: and professor of medicine and Human Industriction, I can talk

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Speaker 2: about that stuff Forerever. Mike, forty seven year old here

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Speaker 2: started taking metamucil Absolute game change. You urged listeners to

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Speaker 2: try it for a week. Guarantee it changes your life.

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Speaker 16: Mike.

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Speaker 2: The ComCom are also allowing Brimworth to be sold to Mohawk.

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Speaker 2: That'll give Mohawk a seventy to eighty percent market share

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Speaker 2: and flooring products. A one hundred year old New Zealand

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Speaker 2: company gone. Only the shareholder vot can save it. Regarding

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Speaker 2: Zen and Celtech, it's such a shame that ComCom have

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Speaker 2: no courage and a hypocritical they're complicit in creating another monopoly.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure them' not. It's seventy to eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of monopoly and what would have happened to Bremworth. Bremworth

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Speaker 2: just can't make it work. Sadly, it's been a great story,

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Speaker 2: the Brimworth story, not only the last hundred years, but

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Speaker 2: they're leaning into wool and stuff like that. Just couldn't

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Speaker 2: make it work.

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00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: regulars will know my view on polls, mainly because these

880
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: days it's a simple truism that it's very hard work

881
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: to get people to engage and as a result, numbers

882
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: vary to an extent that short of a very broad

883
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Speaker 2: idea or view or result accuracy in a way that

884
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Speaker 2: we once understood, it is basically these days out the door.

885
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: So with that caveat, I still though see hope for

886
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: this country and the result of this week's work that

887
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: has shown us a couple of things assets sales or

888
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: recycling of assets is broadly speaking, according to this pole,

889
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: acceptable to the bulk of us. And that's the government

890
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: idea of a rates cap that's very popular. As it

891
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: turns out. Now the specific numbers in these surveys of

892
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: these poles don't actually matter because the accuracy issues. But

893
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: if you've got a decent chunk of people roughly on

894
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: the same page, that, to my mind is a very

895
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: good indication. And you have that in both poles. Now

896
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Speaker 2: what that tells me is common sense is not dead.

897
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Speaker 2: Middle New Zealand is alive and well and as moderate

898
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: as we have ever been. See in a world of

899
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Speaker 2: crazies and a streamists and niche thinking that tends to

900
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Speaker 2: get the headlines these days, good old middle of the

901
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: road basic thought is not only not dead, it could

902
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: well be thriving. See the rates cap pole, I would

903
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: have thought as a major blow to somebody like labor

904
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Speaker 2: and their aspirations around the capital gains tax. See the

905
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: rate cap result tells you that we are sick of

906
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: cost plus accounting, We're sick of waste, We're sick of

907
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: being raided fiscally to cover largess or greed or in

908
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: competence or all of that. You don't always just need

909
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: more money. You need to do things differently. And the

910
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: asset numbers tell me that we get the idea that

911
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Speaker 2: the government owning everything is wasteful, that not all state

912
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: run stuff is of great value or use. Like caps,

913
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Speaker 2: you can do things differently, and you can do them better,

914
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 2: and you can do them more efficiently. See the state

915
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Speaker 2: owning farms and TV stations. It's absurd. The state running

916
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: social assistance program sure makes sense. Power companies not so much.

917
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: These poles display and understanding of that realization to a

918
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: greater extent than many might have imagined. Actually, I mean personally,

919
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Speaker 2: I thought the asset support number that came out this

920
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Speaker 2: week was way higher than I would have guessed. The

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Speaker 2: good news here, I think Middle New Zealand's always made

922
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Speaker 2: this country great, has always had an outsized influence, and

923
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Speaker 2: more often than not, has been right. Asking was due

924
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Speaker 2: to talk half an hour ago, and he hasn't even

925
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Speaker 2: started yet. If he says anything that's not completely insane,

926
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Speaker 2: will bring some of it to you, Mike, welcome back.

927
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Speaker 2: I'm quite interested in New Zealand's official position on Greenland. John,

928
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Speaker 2: the official position is we're not going to invade it.

929
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Speaker 2: We don't want to buy it because we can't afford it.

930
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Speaker 2: And I think officially eighty seven percent of us could

931
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Speaker 2: point to it on a map. It's about all I

932
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Speaker 2: have on Greenland. As far as New Zealand is concerned, Mike,

933
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Speaker 2: does any other country have at least one person driving

934
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Speaker 2: the premier motor small events? Inz has F one? Indy

935
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Speaker 2: le Monde NASCAR will really what a very good start

936
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Speaker 2: at the ten this Wednesday morning. The answers probably know.

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Speaker 2: I happen to be watching Aston Martin Honda yesterday. They

938
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Speaker 2: were doing a live launch. There's all these new cars

939
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Speaker 2: this year for F one. I saw the other one

940
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Speaker 2: the other day in Detroit. It was a weird one

941
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Speaker 2: in Detroit. That was Red Bull and racing Bulls. Liam

942
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Speaker 2: was there in Detroit as part of the Detroit Motorshi

943
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Speaker 2: which only has one new caral year, which might tell

944
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Speaker 2: you something about the American motorcar industry. But anyway, having

945
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Speaker 2: said that, they did it at midnight in Detroit, and

946
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Speaker 2: I thought, what a weir of thing to do. I mean,

947
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Speaker 2: obviously Detroit Ford forwards the engine I get that part,

948
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Speaker 2: but midnight seems slightly odd. So slowly but surely we're

949
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Speaker 2: building up to Bahrain, which is next month for the

950
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Speaker 2: testing of these new cars that nobody seems to understand

951
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Speaker 2: or know whether or not they work, and if they worked,

952
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: as one work better than another. So that's what makes

953
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Speaker 2: the season so damn exciting. Now, Education in a Moment's

954
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Speaker 2: some interesting new stats for you.

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Speaker 1: No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The Mic Hosking Breakfast.

956
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957
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Speaker 2: Mark is joining us from up north this morning, given

958
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Speaker 2: his job, of course as Minister in charge of reigning events,

959
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: and both MPs are going to presumably head off to

960
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: the caucus retreats today and we'll get an election day

961
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Speaker 2: announcement who knows what else. So it's Politics Wednesday with

962
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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson after eight o'clock meantime. Back here

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Speaker 2: are twenty three minutes away from eight. Possibly your first

964
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Speaker 2: eye opening stat of the new year. Turns out we're

965
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Speaker 2: quite well educated and qualified. New data's got thirty nine

966
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Speaker 2: percent of us aged in twenty five and sixty four

967
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Speaker 2: holding a bachelor's degree or higher, which is up seventeen

968
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Speaker 2: percent over the past twenty years. Tertiary diploma or certificate

969
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 2: qualifications not quite as much. That's fallen from forty percent

970
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: to twenty seven percent. They think the COVID you're a

971
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Speaker 2: study in the strong migration as part of the story anyway.

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Speaker 2: Chris Wheelaan's the chief executive of Course of Universities New

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Speaker 2: Zealand And, is back with us. Chris, good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Is thirty nine percent a good number?

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00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 24: Well, actually no, we're actually lagging behind most other sort

976
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Speaker 24: of comparable countries. So you compare the thirty nine percent

977
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Speaker 24: with about sixty five percent of Canada, about fifty four

978
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Speaker 24: percent for both the United Kingdom and Australia, and about

979
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Speaker 24: fifty percent for the United States. We're probably lagging behind

980
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 24: an international trend which every country's gone through over the

981
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 24: last thirty years of educating their population as their workforces

982
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 24: have changed to become much more knowlge worker based.

983
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Wow, So is that a cultural thing? I mean, is

984
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: it we just don't value higher education the way other

985
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Speaker 2: countries do or is it more than that?

986
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Speaker 24: Well, it's hard to tell. I mean, I think you know,

987
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 24: at the end of the day, people are rational they

988
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 24: will follow where the jobs are. And I think the

989
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 24: new zendand economy you know, hasn't developed perhaps as quickly

990
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 24: as some other economies have. But in saying that, something

991
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 24: like almost two thirds of all jobs now according to

992
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 24: the twenty twenty three census, now basically require at least

993
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 24: two years of some kind of post school education or

994
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 24: training if you want to get a serious look and

995
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 24: as a young person, do we know.

996
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: How many people who have a degree actually use it?

997
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 24: Pretty much all of them, So we compare very well

998
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Speaker 24: by international standards for what's kind of called unde employment.

999
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 24: It's only about one or two percent end up, you know,

1000
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 24: significantly underemployed doing jobs that you know they really just

1001
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 24: didn't need a degree for.

1002
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Speaker 2: Okay, is this a trend in any way, shape or form.

1003
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Speaker 2: Do you think we going to be on the improve

1004
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 2: or we don't know?

1005
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 24: Hard to tell, so things like say postgraduate qualifications, we're

1006
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 24: below half of the OECD average, with just seven percent

1007
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 24: of our population with a postgraduate degree versus the OECD

1008
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 24: average of fifteen percent. The fact is every developed economy

1009
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 24: needs knowledge workers, people with education and skills. So my

1010
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 24: feeling is we'll see more I just don't know how

1011
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 24: much more.

1012
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: What's the postgrad thing? Is that money? Is it money

1013
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: associated or not?

1014
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Speaker 24: A lot of it comes down to things like student allowances.

1015
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 24: So the Other's one of the few countries that doesn't

1016
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 24: provide support for people doing postgraduates qualifications. So once we've

1017
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Speaker 24: had about five years of allowances, they run out, which

1018
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 24: makes it a lot less attractive to go and do

1019
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 24: things like masters or PhD qualifications. After a point, I

1020
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 24: think we just need to be investing a little bit

1021
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 24: more in our young people and developing that college economy.

1022
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: That COVID thing, I guess, But is it valuable to

1023
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: the extent if you lock somebody up they go and

1024
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 2: change their behinha, But they changed their behavior for reasons

1025
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Speaker 2: that you might not think. Is that beneficial?

1026
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: Was it?

1027
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Speaker 1: Well?

1028
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Speaker 24: There was an interesting study came out of a UK

1029
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Speaker 24: think tank about ten years ago which basically found that

1030
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 24: recessions were great for young people where boom times were

1031
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 24: bad for young people. So why is that? Because in

1032
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 24: boom times people are more likely to go straight from

1033
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Speaker 24: school into a job, you know, become a hammer hand,

1034
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 24: where in recession they're some more likely to go. Oh,

1035
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Speaker 24: so there aren't many jobs. I'm going to go and

1036
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Speaker 24: get a degree, or I'm going to go and become

1037
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Speaker 24: a tradee or something like that. They get training and

1038
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Speaker 24: their lifetime earnings are substantially higher.

1039
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Speaker 2: What about the migration thing, So we were booming migration wise,

1040
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: we're not now. Is that going to play out in

1041
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: a different way going forward?

1042
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 24: Look, I'm sure it will. I just wouldn't like to

1043
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 24: predict exactly how.

1044
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 2: All right, Chris, nice to talk to you is always

1045
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Speaker 2: Chris Whelan, who's the chief executive of Universities of New Zealand,

1046
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: speaking of which ninety minutes away from seven. This seems

1047
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Speaker 2: to be an annual issue with a limited number of

1048
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Speaker 2: medical school places in Dunedin, particularly for grad entrance. My

1049
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: daughter's completed honors above the average with an A pass,

1050
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Speaker 2: but has missed out partly due to a large number

1051
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Speaker 2: of repeat students from last year. I've been told around

1052
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Speaker 2: forty year repeating, which is a real concern. Sonny, you

1053
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Speaker 2: should say, I don't know. I'm taking you at your word.

1054
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's right. I sat in the early part

1055
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Speaker 2: of December in the Dunedin Town Hall at the graduation

1056
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Speaker 2: ceremony for last year's lot of medical graduates, and I

1057
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Speaker 2: can tell you it's a fascinating thing. One Getting in

1058
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Speaker 2: is hard work. Getting into Auckland's different to getting into

1059
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Speaker 2: Dunedin or a Tago.

1060
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Speaker 10: Two.

1061
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Speaker 2: We didn't appear to be short of doctors at the

1062
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Speaker 2: graduation ceremony because there were a shedload of them crossing

1063
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Speaker 2: the stage close by the one hundred literally. So it's

1064
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Speaker 2: graduating's one thing, or having a number of people graduates

1065
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Speaker 2: one thing. Having the money to employ them in hospitals

1066
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Speaker 2: around the country is another. And so it was a

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Speaker 2: fair I've got more to say on it tomorrow because

1068
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Speaker 2: it was one of the more fascinating experiences of my life.

1069
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Speaker 2: But it seems to me that the real problem around

1070
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Speaker 2: the whole health sector is training people is not the problem.

1071
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Speaker 2: Having the number of people trained is the problem, and

1072
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Speaker 2: that's a money thing. And then having trained those people,

1073
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Speaker 2: having them have a job is the problem, and that

1074
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: is another money thing, because you can't hire people if

1075
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Speaker 2: you don't have money for it.

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Speaker 2: That Be and we get into the tricky areas. Mike,

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Speaker 2: I've got an experience and a master's and it makes

1080
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: no difference to my paying the social services sector, and

1081
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: that depends on who you work for, of course, Mike.

1082
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: A degree doesn't define a personal but I don't think

1083
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: anyone suggests it does. So many school leaders don't have

1084
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: one and do well. You think that's true, My three

1085
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: sons being a great example. They don't have one, but

1086
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: have made a good life for themselves and families. Now

1087
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: what does that mean? They've made a good life for themselves.

1088
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose if you say you're making a

1089
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: good life for yourself and you go, yeah, I am,

1090
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm thoroughly happy and enjoying my life, then good luck

1091
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: to you. Then that's all you need then now And

1092
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: they're like forties, I wonder, Jenny, if that's also part

1093
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 2: of the equation as well, late forties let's call you fifty.

1094
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: Did they grow up in a time in this country

1095
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: where qualifications weren't as necessary as they are today?

1096
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Right or wrong?

1097
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 10: See?

1098
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: I grew up in the car. I don't have a

1099
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 2: qualification to my name. I got school certain YWI and

1100
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: that was it. But in those days, that's all you

1101
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: really needed. And unless you're on this very specific pathway

1102
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: as far as law or medicine or something like that

1103
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: was concerned. There were jobs to be had without any

1104
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: more qualifications. Now trade me. But anyway, as I say,

1105
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: I'll come back to the tomorrow, because I watched my

1106
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: daughter graduate in December in medicine and so it was

1107
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: it was a deneeding itself. Was an interesting experience. But

1108
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: more tomorrow. Trade me. This morning, they've got new numbers.

1109
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: Moderately interesting housing market this year. I think we're going

1110
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: to see some growth as reading. I think all the

1111
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: banks are on board with reasonable growth this year. The

1112
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: biggest number I from memory saw was seven as in

1113
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: percent by the end of the year. Can't remember who

1114
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: did it, but one of the majors was saying seven

1115
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: percent by the end of the year. This is from

1116
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: December twenty four to December twenty five. For trade me,

1117
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: they have Plenty up eight point two percent in prices.

1118
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: They are now for the first time ever Bay of Plenty.

1119
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: Congratulations in good morning. The most expensive place to buy

1120
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: a house in the country an average of nine hundred

1121
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: and sixty three thousand dollars average. Auckland. Where's Auckland, You say, well,

1122
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: it's gone backwards a bit nine hundred and fifty one.

1123
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: It went down two and a half percent, but by

1124
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: plenty went up eight. And there's your answer. Canterbury, of

1125
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 2: course keeps on keeping on seven and a half percent

1126
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: up for the year otago over five. A lot of

1127
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: that's going to be central Southland up a bit, West

1128
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: Coast up a lot four point six. Nelson Tasman five

1129
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: point five. Who got hit the most Gisbon thirty four

1130
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: down down thirty four. But I'm assuming that at least

1131
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: in part is because the number of houses there for

1132
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: sale isn't great, and therefore you get a lot of

1133
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: noise around those numbers. Mike, fifteen fifty for ten k's

1134
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: equates to about thirty eight ks. Now try and do

1135
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: that on the real world downhill. Maybe that goes back

1136
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 2: to a commodo May. Just before seven o'clock this morning,

1137
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: I knocked off ten k's at fifteen fifty, So you're right,

1138
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: that equates to about thirty seven thirty eight k's. For me,

1139
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: that's flat out. That is like working your ass off

1140
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes and fifty seconds and halfway through, in

1141
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: fact more than halfway through. Many times through that time

1142
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: you're thinking to yourself why am I doing this? It's

1143
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: not necessary. I'm indoors. Nothing changes if I do this

1144
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: or not do this. There's just a mental sort of

1145
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 2: exercise I do that. I do that periodically. Generally.

1146
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 21: I do sometimes think these hells aren't even real.

1147
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: No, that's true. Well, generally I do seventeen to eighteen minutes,

1148
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: and that's sort of. That doesn't kill me. It doesn't.

1149
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: It's sort of and you go up and down or

1150
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: does that or it depends on depends on where in

1151
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: the world I am on my iPhone. Nh yeah, yeah, morning,

1152
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 2: Mike's so nice to hear your back. How's the coffee

1153
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: roaster going? Let me tell you abit quickly about the

1154
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: coffee roaster over the holidays. I did some research on

1155
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: your behalf and this is going to get up the

1156
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: nose of a lot of people in hospitality. So I'm

1157
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: buying beans. So I got a coffee. If you missed

1158
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: the story, I won't bore you witless. But I got

1159
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: a coffee roaster last year, and I got into doing

1160
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: my own beans. Now I'm not into the extremities of

1161
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: the exercise. In other words, you can dial up recipes

1162
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: and make your own recipes and you can do a

1163
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 2: bit of this and a bit of that and the

1164
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: whole thing. I don't do that. I just throw the

1165
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: beans in the button and twelve minutes later it's all done.

1166
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: But I'm buying beans at thirty dollars a kilo, and

1167
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: I've worked it out that I'm running a cup of

1168
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: coffee at sixty to seventy cents a cup, sixty to

1169
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: seventy cents a cup with my own beans, as good

1170
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: as anything you'll see in any cafe anywhere, sixty to

1171
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: seventy cents a cup. So the question I then asked myself,

1172
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: and yes, I paid for the machine. So you go, oh,

1173
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: you got to pay off for your machine. Yes, I

1174
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: get all that, But at sixty to seventy cents a cup,

1175
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: where's when you're paying five, five fifty? Where's that? Where's all?

1176
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: Where was all that come from? Now they'll go, well,

1177
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 2: that's staff, and it's rates, and it's power and sure,

1178
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: but for every single cup, hundreds of cups a day

1179
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: in cafes all over the country, somebody is making reasonable

1180
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: amounts of money. And I'm not against people making reasonable

1181
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: amounts of money, but I'll tell you what, when you're

1182
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: doing coffee at sixty to seventy cents a cup. It's

1183
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: a big ask for me to walk into a cafe

1184
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: and hand over in excess of five dollars for exact

1185
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: same experience. And dare I suggest from my with my

1186
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: barista's hat on a slightly inferior product.

1187
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 21: You're doing your what do you call it? A medium black?

1188
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 21: So generally with the cafes there's a dairy.

1189
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: No no, you you pay five fifty for an espresso? Yeah, yeah,

1190
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: you're buying seven dollars.

1191
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 21: For yeah yeah, yeah, But you know it all sort

1192
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 21: of has to even out, doesn't it.

1193
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: You sound like you sound like a cafe owner.

1194
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 21: I'm just saying that. You know, well, I got to

1195
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 21: some price of milk.

1196
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well it's not nothing. Take the milk out

1197
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: at five fifty sixty you explained it to me. For

1198
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 2: sixty cents to five point fifty you explained the difference

1199
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 2: to me. You can't, can you no? Nine minutes away

1200
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 2: from eight.

1201
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News togs ZDB.

1202
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: Six away from it. We talked about that services sector earlier.

1203
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: So here's a good example of a New Zealand story

1204
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: going gangbusters. Picks as and peanut butter these days has

1205
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: a forty one percent year of the domestic market and

1206
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: they're forecasting another twenty percent growth this year on top

1207
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: of the twenty percent last year. So what's going on here?

1208
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: Amy McCammon, as the chief executive, clicks and she's well,

1209
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: it's Amy morning, kyolda Mike, good morning. Now you're at

1210
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: a dollar. I've done the research. Yes, I don't mess

1211
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 2: with me. Amy. At the supermarket you're a dollar ninety

1212
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: one for one hundred grams. Fixing fogs a dollar fifty seven,

1213
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: and PAMs is at seventy two. So you prove that

1214
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: if it's quality, people will buy quality.

1215
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 12: Is that fair?

1216
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 25: Mike?

1217
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 26: You are on it this morning you had your peanut

1218
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 26: butter on toast, because you are exactly right. We're just

1219
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 26: sticked to the quality game and keywids can taste it

1220
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 26: and they're happy to be eating it and paying for it.

1221
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: And what's unusual though, there's always a group of people

1222
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: who will pay for quality. But a forty one percent

1223
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 2: share of the market is massive. So what does that

1224
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: tell you?

1225
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 26: It's incredible because we started back in two thousand and seven,

1226
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 26: two thousand and eight and pack is most Stepdad. And

1227
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 26: when he started he was literally just selling at market

1228
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 26: around the country. He got all the old hippie mates

1229
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 26: out around there selling peanut butter ten dollars a jar.

1230
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 26: We were getting there and in the supermarket the stuff

1231
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 26: you could get was probably four dollars a jar, but

1232
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 26: it was full of sugar and a multifier. And it

1233
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 26: just grew. People loved really good quality food and they

1234
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 26: loved the enthusiasm that pick seld it with. So we

1235
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 26: were actually the first natural peanut butter back in the

1236
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 26: New Zealand market.

1237
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: Then is the sector growing, I mean the spread market

1238
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: growing of people into the stuff.

1239
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 26: It is growing.

1240
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 9: People are still super into healthy foods, you know, people

1241
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 9: are still looking for good, healthy food that you know

1242
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 9: is good to feed their families. And so it keeps

1243
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 9: growing and people, you know, people are going to spend

1244
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 9: a little more on the better stuff because it's been

1245
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 9: a really tough year, right everyone knows it's tough going

1246
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 9: to the supermarket.

1247
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 26: But it does show that consumers will pay more for

1248
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 26: the good stuff.

1249
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: They are affordable luxuries, aren't they. I am nice to

1250
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: talk to you. Appreciate it and congratulations on all of

1251
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: your success and I hope you get your twenty cent

1252
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: growth this year. Amy mccannon picks peanut butter, Chief executive.

1253
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 2: Seems remarkable that the media you're obsessed so long and

1254
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: so hard last year about the price of butter and

1255
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: how nobody could afford it in it while we were

1256
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: doing that, we're out there buying picks peanut butter, seemingly

1257
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: at a price we can't afford.

1258
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 21: Well, you don't need butter. If you put peanut butter on,

1259
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 21: is that what is that the saving?

1260
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 14: Is it?

1261
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 21: Yeah? I reckon? So you can then invest that unused

1262
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 21: butter money into where with forty thieves in the equation.

1263
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: There that the unused butter money. I've got some money

1264
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: left over because I didn't buy a butter. I can

1265
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: afford a cup of coffee. Now, somebody says about the

1266
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: social thing, Yeah, that's fine, going you do want to

1267
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: be like, I don't care. All I'm saying is the

1268
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: gap between sixty cents and five dollars. Something is a lot.

1269
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 2: Explain where it all goes, Mark and Jenny. That is

1270
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: politics Wednesday, election year. Styles next you're a news talk they'd.

1271
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Be asking the questions others, won't the Mike asking breakfast

1272
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: with Bailey's real Estate doing real estate differently since nineteen

1273
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: seventy three news togs, he'd been.

1274
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: Tracks, Let's sex, happy, class, politics.

1275
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 17: Give it, some give it.

1276
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: This is the Sleep and Mobs and the Demise of

1277
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 2: Planet X. Is the album I really like the streets,

1278
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 2: isn't it? Jason Williamson and Andrew Fern make up the

1279
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: good bit of scar bit of indie pop. Apparently thirteen

1280
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: tracks of this but agra agro plus comedic forty one

1281
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: minutes and thirty two seconds worth of Sleep and Mobs.

1282
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: Now it's time for politics. Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us, Mark,

1283
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: good morning and happy New Year.

1284
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 25: Good morning, Mike Happing, New year to you too, and

1285
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 25: great to be.

1286
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: Back early, and Jinny Anderson's Well's head, Good morning and

1287
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: happy new Year to you too.

1288
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 27: Good morning to you, Mike, and good morning to you Mark,

1289
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 27: having New Year to you both.

1290
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: Now, Mark, you're up north in your role of Minister

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Speaker 2: of Raincoats and wet events. Is it dramatic or is

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Speaker 2: it just quite wet and annoying?

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Speaker 25: No, it's been pretty dramatic. I was out on the

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Speaker 25: ground yesterday in the communities that were hit up north.

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Speaker 25: Very dramatic for them, you know, flesh flooding and everything

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Speaker 25: that comes with that, Lots of slips, houses and undated

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Speaker 25: I was on the Mariah yesterday. The Marias have been outstanding.

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Speaker 25: They've opened and sort of provided support. Big shout out

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Speaker 25: to Fort in Hogan their cruise. I stopped and spoke

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Speaker 25: with them. So they've been working twenty four to seven

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Speaker 25: to clear slips and reopen roads and get people access again.

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Speaker 25: But there was one gentleman that literally the cabin was

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Speaker 25: picked up by the floodwaters. There was an elderly woman

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Speaker 25: in there, there was a young child, and if it

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Speaker 25: wasn't for his brave actions and getting them out of

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Speaker 25: the floodwaters, then we could have had a tragedy and

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Speaker 25: lost two lives.

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Speaker 2: Great story. Does this prevent you from going to the

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Speaker 2: caucus today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to the caucus.

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Speaker 25: I spoke with the promise you said and said, I

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Speaker 25: think it's better I start up here.

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Speaker 12: He totally agreed.

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Speaker 25: You know, most of the weather is going to hit

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Speaker 25: sort of the eastern seaboarder for the North Island, so

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Speaker 25: it's better that I stay up there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Jenny, you're at your caucus, Yes, we are, and

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Speaker 2: we talk to the Will you be seeing or will

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Speaker 2: we be seeing any form of policy? As this just

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Speaker 2: a chippy g up.

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Speaker 27: This is really an opportunity for us to plan for

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Speaker 27: the year here and get ready for the election.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so no policy per se. When does policy roughly

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Speaker 2: get rolled out from you guys?

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Speaker 27: Well, we've done a big lot of policy already, which

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Speaker 27: would be the capital game stance. Also three free GP visits,

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Speaker 27: so that's that's the core stuff out the gate, and

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Speaker 27: we'll be doing more policy as we get closer to

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Speaker 27: the election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you stay closer roughly? When when when

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Speaker 2: should I get a fizzon August?

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Speaker 27: When I think I thought you already had one, and

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Speaker 27: I'd say in the next couple of months we'll have something,

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Speaker 27: and then that all you get closer to the election,

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Speaker 27: you get more and more coming out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mark, I know that today is the election date announcement,

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Speaker 2: and I personally couldn't care less because it's at the

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Speaker 2: end of the year. It should be. It'll be what

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Speaker 2: it what it is. I guess it's really umber seven.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what data is? Have you been told?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I do, you won't get trouble.

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Speaker 25: You opened by saying, look.

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Speaker 2: I don't care, I don't care about it. Can you

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Speaker 2: give me give me, you know, just to get the scoop.

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Speaker 25: It's a break for you on the show.

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Speaker 1: But no, I can't.

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Speaker 2: But it will be in there.

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Speaker 25: I can tell you it will be announced today.

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Speaker 2: I think we're better, Ginny, aren't we? Key did this

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Speaker 2: a favor? This business we used to guess and all

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Speaker 2: that it was just sort of stupid. It's good to

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Speaker 2: come out the beginning of the year say it's going

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Speaker 2: to be X and then we're going to just get

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Speaker 2: on with life, can't we.

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Speaker 27: Well, I think it's good for New Zealand is to

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Speaker 27: know when it is so people know when to vote.

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Speaker 23: You know.

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Speaker 27: The more we can say that date, the more you

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Speaker 27: get people aware of the fact that they need to

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Speaker 27: get their details in order. This year, the rules have

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Speaker 27: changed for early voting, So get everyone enrolled as early

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Speaker 27: as possible, so as many people as possible can vote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, by the way, sorry Mark Carroll, No, I was

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Speaker 2: just going to say.

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Speaker 25: I think at the moment, you know, when you look

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Speaker 25: at things globally, we live in a world of a

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Speaker 25: bit of uncertainty around what's certainly what's that in globally,

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Speaker 25: so we can give a bit of a certainty and

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Speaker 25: a clear read on things we should be doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when's your housing thing coming out? That there's walk

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Speaker 2: back turn around on the one in Auckland.

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Speaker 25: Look, that's that's clearly not my portfolio. And I'll leave

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Speaker 25: it to Chris Bishop and the Prime.

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Speaker 2: Minister because I was told it was today. But then

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Speaker 2: then then the Prime Minister's officer who listened and tune

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Speaker 2: in religiously to this program, rang up and set it's not.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So what do I do. We'll go with

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Speaker 2: what they've said, Go with what they've said.

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Speaker 27: They don't know.

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Speaker 25: Maybe soon they'll definitely have a plan around it, but.

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Speaker 2: No one knows when you're going to change it. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I think it was Thomas Coglan, I read Ginny.

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Speaker 2: He did his usual di y over the holiday period. Now,

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Speaker 2: was it a retaining wall he built?

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Speaker 27: It's a very specific question which I do not have

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Speaker 27: the answer.

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Speaker 2: To the question. Was I believe that Thomas said, I

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Speaker 2: can't remember where there was a retaining wall, but he

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Speaker 2: did something quite profound with his DIY skills and Thomas

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Speaker 2: said that impressed a number of his colleagues, and so

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming you've being a local MP, he would have

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Speaker 2: invited you around to look at his wall.

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Speaker 27: So I'm going to be really honest, as I always

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Speaker 27: am with you, Mike, that I have not seen his

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Speaker 27: retaining wall. What I have seen as a cabinet he built,

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Speaker 27: and that was very impressive. It's a cabinet with doors

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Speaker 27: that open and shut and it's even like quite That

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Speaker 27: is the line funny for you, Mark, it was, it's

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Speaker 27: real quick, It was.

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Speaker 2: The line of the Was it made a proper wood

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Speaker 2: or was it just like Balti wood.

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Speaker 27: No, it's proper wood and had those cool little doors.

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Speaker 27: When you push them, they have magnets and they pop

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Speaker 27: back out again, and it was all flush and it

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Speaker 27: was He was quite proud of it here.

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Speaker 25: So we should want to do some menu work because

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Speaker 25: his hands look pretty soft to me. So you know,

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Speaker 25: get doing some menu.

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Speaker 2: Work maybe.

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Speaker 1: Outside, get his hands looking a lot the farmercy.

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Speaker 25: You know, you want to see a proper city in.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen more questions in just a moment you two

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Speaker 2: thirteen past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks be.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen past eight Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson for

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Speaker 2: election year Ginny Adrian this morning announcing the retirement. How

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Speaker 2: many more are coming from your side? Do you think

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Speaker 2: he's the only one I know of?

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Speaker 27: But he'll be a loss a. He's a good guy, Adrian.

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Speaker 27: He's one of those those that are quiet people who

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Speaker 27: rise above a lot of the yes, the munthslinging of

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Speaker 27: politics and is able to give a bit of wisdom

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Speaker 27: and he's often used for good advice within our caucus.

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Speaker 2: So I thought it was a very good speak.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, he was. He was a great speaker, very huge.

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Speaker 25: I just want to acknowledge him too, because I really

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Speaker 25: enjoyed him as speaker. I thought that he did an

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Speaker 25: outstanding job and he had definitely had a sort of

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Speaker 25: quiet dignity about him, and so yeah, I wish him

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Speaker 25: all the best. It acknowledges public service.

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Speaker 2: Once you've I've said this on the show earlier, once

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Speaker 2: you've had some sort of decent job, cabinets, speaker, whatever

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Speaker 2: it may be, going back to something that's not quite

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Speaker 2: as great, all it must sit heavily on your shoulders,

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Speaker 2: mustn't it?

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Speaker 27: Ginny, Well, it depends on the person. Some people become

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Speaker 27: a bit institutionalized and don't know what to do with themselves.

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Speaker 27: Almost of it like prison in some ways, but others

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Speaker 27: like the fact that you get to have some balance

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Speaker 27: back in your life, that you get to sleep and

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Speaker 27: eat and do all the things that you get to

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Speaker 27: do over the summer, break right right across the year.

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Speaker 27: So it just really depends on the person.

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Speaker 2: Luck said to us on Monday Mark that there would

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Speaker 2: be retirements this year. He didn't seem to know who

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Speaker 2: they were, although I suspect he was keeping that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he should know, shouldn't he wouldn't he have a clue

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Speaker 2: by now?

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Speaker 25: A lot of people sort of play their cards close

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Speaker 25: to their chests, and they'll be going through a whole

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01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 25: range of emotions and decision making, talking with family and

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Speaker 25: deciding whether or not they want to stand for another term.

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Speaker 25: And then when they've made those decisions, they'll come forward

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Speaker 25: and they'll and they'll.

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Speaker 12: Live a leader.

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Speaker 2: Know would you expect something? But I mean the point being,

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Speaker 2: the later you leave it, the more trouble it is

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Speaker 2: for a set in government, isn't it Because the person

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Speaker 2: looks like they're running if things aren't going well, then

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Speaker 2: think that you look like you're running from the sinking ship.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean that's that's the narrative that media will

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Speaker 25: get up and they'll sort of do analysis on it. Look,

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Speaker 25: it can be as simple as people just their own

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Speaker 25: personal circumstances and deciding, you know, I've given enough or

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Speaker 25: do I have enough energy for another term? And you know,

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Speaker 25: and are there other things that I want to go

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Speaker 25: and do. So it's as simple as that, and they'll

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Speaker 25: make their own decisions and then they'll sort of come

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Speaker 25: forward and they'll and they'll let the President and the

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Speaker 25: Prime Minister know right.

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Speaker 2: I'm opening a book this morning. Do you want to

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Speaker 2: call the election now? Jinny?

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Speaker 27: Well, everyone's kind of saying seven November, No.

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Speaker 2: Not the date to the outcome.

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Speaker 27: Aren't the outcome? I thought that's weird talking about.

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Speaker 2: Four record for the record, Ginny Anderson on this twenty

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Speaker 2: first day of January, you think Label will get what percent?

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Speaker 2: Greens what percent? And Mary Party what percent? And therefore

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Speaker 2: you will presumably become the government with what percent of

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Speaker 2: the vote.

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Speaker 27: I think you'll see we've made good progres to get

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Speaker 27: up to that sort of thirty six you know, thirty seven.

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Speaker 27: I think that'll keep tracking up and get us close

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Speaker 27: to forty. We want to see ourselves over forty for

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Speaker 27: the election, and that's what we'll be working hard to

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Speaker 27: make sure we can do.

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Speaker 2: Greens will get what then they'll get fifteen or twenty,

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Speaker 2: so that'll take you to fifty five fifty six and

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Speaker 2: the Marris with what five? So seventy percent of the

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Speaker 2: vote you reckon, Jinny, Well, some.

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Speaker 27: Of those minor parties are always really difficult to predict.

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Speaker 27: And while Greens always sit around ten, it's actually act

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Speaker 27: in New Zealand first that fight with each other and

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Speaker 27: they run up to the election and that can be

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Speaker 27: actually the balance of power depending on who they go with.

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Speaker 27: So I think a lot in under MMP. I've just

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Speaker 27: been listening to Juggernaut. Can one really so many similarities

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Speaker 27: between that first Bolgier government and the one we've got

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Speaker 27: now with Christopher Luxon in terms of a lot of

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Speaker 27: the fiscal measures. And you're on that mic too, You're

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Speaker 27: broadcast Room said, be yeah, you're on.

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Speaker 2: It on Juggernaut, which is what what is it you're

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Speaker 2: talking about? Is that a podcast?

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01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 27: It's the fourth National Government by the Spin off. So

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01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 27: it's a it's a sort of a podcast for a

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 27: couple of different takes on parts of the fourth National

1509
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 27: Government and some really strong similarities between this government we've

1510
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 27: got now and what they did and their government back

1511
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 27: that even the language they use is really similar. So

1512
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 27: I think that's been really valuable for me of the

1513
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 27: holidays to listen to that and how we responded.

1514
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 2: Anything or anything with me or it's worth listening to.

1515
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: What do you recognize?

1516
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: I agree?

1517
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 25: I agree, But look, I think that I hope that

1518
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 25: Jugger will do the last labor government because that would

1519
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 25: be a really good.

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01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd be on that oh man, yeah government, Okay,

1521
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 2: So thirty six, thirty seven, Jinny, and maybe at forty,

1522
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: I mean, God, bless you for being optimistic. Mark your number.

1523
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: What do you reckon? Look, will be the same.

1524
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 25: We'll be pushing as hard as we can to get

1525
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 25: as high as we can on the party game.

1526
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 2: Give me a number your mid to high thirties or

1527
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: you're not that bullish, No, we'll be definitely oming.

1528
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 25: We want to have a for in as well, without

1529
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 25: a doubt.

1530
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: It will be dne you're dreaming the days of the

1531
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: days of forties for you two major parties. Let me

1532
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: tell you like it is. And so, Jenny, you don't

1533
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 2: stand a hope in hell of getting forty, and neither

1534
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: do you. Mark The days of the major parties getting

1535
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: forty are gone. I reckon you'll if you either of

1536
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: you do well, you'll you'll crack or get close to

1537
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: thirty five. So that's seventy percent of the boat you've

1538
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: got act on eight to ten, New Zealand first on

1539
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 2: seven to nine, and then you've got two percent three

1540
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 2: percent being wasted with the weirdos. And so that's how

1541
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: your government's going to get formed. Well you heard it.

1542
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: You heard it here first at the end of the day,

1543
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 2: Tell tell Tell, Tell Luso. He doesn't even need to

1544
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: announce the date. It's already been dusted. Yeah, well, we

1545
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 2: just formed the new government. We'll get on with it

1546
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 2: precise anyway. Nice to see you guys. We'll look forward

1547
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 2: to your company throughout the year. It's I'm excited. Are

1548
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 2: you too excited? I'm so excited.

1549
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Speaker 1: You're very excited.

1550
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be awesome. All right. Nice to

1551
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Speaker 2: see you guys, Jinny Anderson, and good luck Mark today

1552
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Speaker 2: back to his comments on Somalia in just a couple

1581
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 2: of moments. But unfortunately a couple of minutes ago, still

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Speaker 2: going by the way, it's fifty minutes late. Unfortunately, a

1583
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: few minutes ago he got his finger caught in the

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: bulldog clip.

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Speaker 23: Here's the book on accomplishments, and this is something well,

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 23: I'm glad my finger wasn't and that's so good.

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 1: They could have done some damage.

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Speaker 23: But you know what, I wouldn't have shown the pain.

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Speaker 19: I would have gone back.

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01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: Where did you hear that? That was nesty? But I

1591
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: would not have.

1592
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 23: Shown the pain. I would have acted like nothing happened

1593
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 23: as my finger fell off.

1594
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: That was a nest.

1595
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: He got around to talking about Minnesota. He's claimed what's

1596
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: he claiming? He's claiming the job unemployment rates higher because

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: of all the people he sacked. So it's actually a

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01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: good news story, and he's claiming the negative migration at

1599
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: the moment is because he's kicking all the people out

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Speaker 2: of the country, So that's a good news story too.

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01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 2: So people leaving the country and people without jobs is

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 2: a good news story. So he's on a bit of

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: a roll. I'm assuming the helicopter's warming him up to

1604
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: take him to Air Force one, which is going to

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: take him to Darbos eventually, which I think he's still

1606
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 2: due to arrive at later on tonight. New Zealand Time.

1607
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 2: Big doings in the Australian Parliament which opened yesterday. They

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01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: got the gun bill through. They kind of got the

1609
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: hate speech through, but in that's real story, so we'll

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: get all the detail. Just a couple of mimes with

1611
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: Steve Prince, who was next. They're on My Costing Breakfast.

1612
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: Tough on power Shop, on Inside, on My Costing Breakfast

1613
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: with al Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way, Youth talks

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01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: head be.

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01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: Trump is still going Uh, he's blamed that so Minnesota,

1616
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: he's addressed. It's all the Somalis hault.

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 23: Apparently nobody talks about the fact that nineteen billion dollars

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 23: at a minimum is missing in Minnesota, given to a

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 23: large degree, but by Somalians. They've taken it. Somalians, can

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Speaker 23: you imagine.

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Speaker 8: And they don't do it.

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 23: A lot of very low IQ people they don't do it.

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01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 23: Other people work it out and they get the money

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01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 23: and they go out and buy Mercedes Benzes and they

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01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 23: come from here. They have no money. They never had money,

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01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 23: they never had a life, they never had a government,

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01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 23: they never had a country, because there's basically no country.

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01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,759
Speaker 23: Somalia is not even a country. They don't have anything

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01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 23: that resembles a country.

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01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 2: Technically. Technically, of course that's incorrect. The Mercedes beans thing

1631
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: is the fascinating thing. He didn't get to eating the Swans.

1632
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 2: But nevertheless, there's more Mercedes beans perhead of population in

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01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 2: Minnesota than apparently anywhere in the world. And there is

1634
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 2: a genuine scandal around childcare and funding of childcare in

1635
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: that particular part of the world. He's also got these

1636
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 2: new numbers on the fact that Biden never won the election.

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01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 23: All allowed in here by an open border policy of

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01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 23: the worst president in the history of our country, a

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 23: man that didn't win the election, by the way, got

1640
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 23: so rigged election. Everybody knows that now and by the way,

1641
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 23: numbers are coming out that show it even more plainly.

1642
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 23: We caught them.

1643
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: We caught them well, which brings me to Steve Bennon

1644
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: and probably the most interesting thing I read yesterday. But

1645
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 2: more on that in the moment twenty two to.

1646
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

1647
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business.

1648
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 2: Stephen past is waiting for us in Australia. Very good morning,

1649
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 2: my friend.

1650
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 10: Hello.

1651
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: Then, what a fascinating thing yesterday. So ninety six foot

1652
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 2: five on the guns ticked off by the Senate, the

1653
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 2: hate speech, the thing that fascinated me most lower House

1654
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: is my understanding. Correct me if I'm wrong in all

1655
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 2: of this. But it got through the Lower House will

1656
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:13,959
Speaker 2: be ticked off presumably by the Senate today. Coalition splits.

1657
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 2: Is this the way of the future for them?

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01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 10: Yeah, it looks like it. I mean it actually passed

1659
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 10: Mike last night just after eleven o'clock to pass the

1660
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 10: Senator thirty eight to twenty two year. Rather, it will

1661
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 10: go back to the Lower House today it'll be law.

1662
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 10: So it's all a little complicated. The bill had to

1663
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 10: be split into ones called Combating Antisemitism hating extremism, and

1664
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 10: the other is the gun buy back laws. So what

1665
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 10: happened when it got to the Senate. The Nationals tried

1666
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 10: to put an amendment forward saying that they wanted it

1667
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 10: to go to another committee, and that was opposed and

1668
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 10: so basically Senator Bridget McKenzie, leader of the Nats in

1669
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 10: the Senate, walked out along with her fellow National senators

1670
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 10: and so the coalition is again split. So you know,

1671
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 10: at the end of this torture was exercised by the

1672
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 10: Prime Minister who was very late to come to the

1673
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 10: idea that we needed a Royal commission into an incident

1674
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 10: that saw fifteen Jewish people gun down in Bond. I well,

1675
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 10: we've got two new bills, some Title gun laws and

1676
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 10: they say that you know, you'll now be able to

1677
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 10: arrest preachers promoting hate and they'll face harsher penalties and

1678
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 10: the Home Affairs Minister can actually revoke visas these people

1679
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 10: I found guilty of doing.

1680
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 23: That.

1681
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 10: Is it go to stop any Semitism in Australia. No,

1682
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 10: And I'll get to that children.

1683
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1684
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: No, Well that was my next question. In fact, I mean,

1685
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 2: do the bills the gun the hate, do they actually

1686
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 2: solve problems or is this just politicians looking like they're

1687
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: doing things the.

1688
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 10: Latter I think. I mean, I'll give you an example.

1689
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 10: I mean, two days ago, three Jewish boys are on

1690
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 10: their way home from school in the Melbourne suburb of Elston,

1691
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 10: which you might recall that's where that the Dad Synagogue

1692
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 10: was firebombed. These three young boys was suddenly confronted by

1693
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 10: two males in a white utility who started screaming out

1694
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 10: Hile Hitler and doing the Nazi salute towards these three youngsters.

1695
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 10: You might say, Okay, that's just idiots being idiots, But

1696
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 10: then did a u turn narrowing this one of the

1697
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 10: boys seemed to the attempt to run him over. These

1698
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 10: kids had to hide in a lame way for twenty

1699
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 10: minutes while this you trolled around the suburb trying to

1700
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 10: find them. Now, how's this Combating Antisemitism, hate and Extremism

1701
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 10: bill going to solve that problem?

1702
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: No, exactly precisely. As regard the politics of it all,

1703
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: was the split in the coalition amenable in the sense

1704
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 2: that they agree to disagree, or is this trouble down

1705
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 2: the road and they can't quite get their head around

1706
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: it yet?

1707
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 10: I agreed to disagree. I mean David Littlebrad has eventually

1708
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 10: he said that and he said, this is not, you know,

1709
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 10: like the split that we had over net zero and

1710
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 10: the year. This is a difference of opinion. It's the

1711
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 10: conservative side of politics in Australia. In parliament, if you

1712
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 10: are an elected senator or member of Parliament, you are

1713
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 10: able to cross the floor if you don't agree with

1714
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 10: your own size policy on something as opposed to labor

1715
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 10: where you vote as a block. So it can be

1716
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 10: painted as a split in the coalition, but it'd be

1717
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 10: wrong to concentrate on that aspect of what happened last night.

1718
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 10: I think it's the bill itself and how it will

1719
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Speaker 10: or will not work is more important. But the coalition

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Speaker 10: their bigger problem now, of course, is that there's yet

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Speaker 10: another pill out today saying Pauline Hanson's more popular than

1722
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 10: them and this is her popularity about anti semitism. No,

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01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 10: not really, it's popularity about two things, immigration in particular

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Speaker 10: and crime.

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Speaker 2: I was watching a bit of the Parliament. They were

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow hours isn't back yet, but yours was back

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Speaker 2: and the line I thought that was very good was

1728
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 2: when facing Alban easy. Why do you argue against this

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Speaker 2: for twenty five days? And I thought that's a not

1730
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: unfair question.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. I said on television on Friday night that I

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Speaker 10: thought Susan Lee had made her best speech that she'd

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Speaker 10: ever made when she had a media conference last week

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Speaker 10: on Friday morning pointing out exactly what the television going.

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Speaker 2: To do with this bill the shark business. I saw

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Speaker 2: a bloke give an explanation. You get the weird weather,

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01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: everything overflows, it all floods into the harbor. The shark's

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01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: like a bit of something coming into the water. That

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01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 2: makes sense to me. Do people not realize that when

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Speaker 2: you've had the big storms?

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Speaker 10: Well you think they would, given the history of bull

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 10: shark attacks. So that's what these things are, the most

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01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 10: horrific one. They're all bad, and there's been four shark

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Speaker 10: attacks within twenty six hours. But that poor little twelve

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01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 10: year old boy, Nico Antik, who was attacked while he

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01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 10: was swimming in Sydney Harbor at a beach which is

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01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 10: called Shark Beach and Sydney Harbor is well known for

1748
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Speaker 10: bull sharks. It looks like he's not going to make it.

1749
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Speaker 10: He's still in a critical condition in the signature's hospital

1750
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 10: and go fund me page has been set up to

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Speaker 10: help his family, and a family friend made the point,

1752
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 10: but it looks like it's going to have the worst

1753
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 10: income outcome they can have. Also, I've got young Glug

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01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 10: was attacked by a bull shark off Manly, North Manley,

1755
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Speaker 10: North Steiny Manley where he was bitten on the leg.

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Speaker 10: You've got pictures of surfboards of great chunks taken out

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01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 10: of them. All beaches in suburban Sydney have been shut

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Speaker 10: down for forty eight hours. It's that really dirty water.

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01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 10: They had a huge amount of rain in Sydney and

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01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 10: the bull sharks then are basically blind, but they see

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01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 10: activity in the water and it turns out to be

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Speaker 10: a surfer on a surfboard or a kid jumping off

1763
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 10: a rock and they think it's I think it's meal time.

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Speaker 10: It's just dreadful.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen just quickly. I should have asked you this

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01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 2: mom to go. But the polo is reading the other day.

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Speaker 2: Eighty one percent of people banning extremist Islamic groups, eighty

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01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: one percent of people want that. Eighty percent now want

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01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 2: tougher immigration measures. Has this materially changed the view of

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Speaker 2: Australians and therefore if it has it presents a problem

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01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: to the labor government who aren't quite that extreme as

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Speaker 2: perhaps your average Australians.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it has change, said, and it will be. It

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01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 10: is driving this one nation popularity man. But as I

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01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 10: explained to the other day, I mean the problem with

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01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 10: all about is referential voting. Means if someone's going to

1777
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 10: vote one nation, they're not likely to be a labor voter.

1778
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 10: Labor will still get all the Green's preferences in labor.

1779
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 10: Labor has a massive majority, but Australian's want of proper

1780
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 10: discussion and debate about immigration and the labor of government,

1781
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 10: state and federal have no appetite for that whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Good see you mate, We'll catch up next week. Steve

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Speaker 2: Price out of Australia, come back to Ban and Steve

1784
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Speaker 2: Bannon in just a couple of moments eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard

1786
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Speaker 1: By News Talks a B.

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Speaker 2: Twelve to nine. Yeah, Steve Bannon Yesterday, in what they

1788
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 2: claimed was sort of a marking of the one year

1789
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Speaker 2: of Trump, gave an interviews of the Sidnay Morning Herald

1790
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 2: and he said a couple of interesting I know how

1791
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 2: much time I've got for Steve Bennon, but what I

1792
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: do know is he's fairly tight with the president. He

1793
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: would have an understanding of what's going on. He will,

1794
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Speaker 2: says Bannon, seek an unconstitutional third term in twenty twenty

1795
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 2: eight to quote unquote save the country. He is running

1796
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight when the time came, he couldn't.

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Speaker 2: He would quote drive a mack truck through the twenty

1798
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 2: second Amendment. You're in the age of Trump, and that

1799
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: age is far from being over. You look at the

1800
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 2: long term plan he's got with Greenland, with Canada. I

1801
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: think he's telling you he's got a long term plan

1802
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 2: to save the country. And that is why it puts

1803
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: him at the level of Washington and Lincoln. Washington was

1804
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: here at the birth of the nation. Lincoln was here

1805
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: at the rebirth. Trump is here to reclaim that nation.

1806
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:42,839
Speaker 2: It's a long term project. If the electoral role will legitimate,

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Speaker 2: and this is where it gets really interesting. This why

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01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: Minnesota's so fascinating. If the electoral role would were legitimate,

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01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 2: it would be virtually impossible for Democrats to win a

1810
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 2: national election. The midterms he's calling it. Biggie says he's

1811
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Speaker 2: increasingly confident that the Republicans can keep control of the House.

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Speaker 2: That would be massive based on the fact that generally

1813
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 2: this applies to all parties and presidents. Generally midterms don't

1814
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,759
Speaker 2: go well for the incumbents. Generally, the megabase is not beatable.

1815
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 2: Is not beatable. We can't be beaten. Now, what is interesting,

1816
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: and you haven't heard it yet, and it may well

1817
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: be scuttled, but ultimately, but the whole plan, and Bannon

1818
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 2: talks about this basically is America is full of illegals.

1819
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 2: And the illegals has been brought into the country by

1820
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 2: the Democrats, and then they give them jobs and they

1821
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 2: put them on the pay roll, and of course they

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01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 2: turn up to vote. So by getting rid of all

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01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 2: of those people out of those key states, and this

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01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: is why Minnesota is one of the key states, is

1825
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: you get rid of all of the illegals out of

1826
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: those states, and therefore you balance the books in terms

1827
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 2: of votes. Tied in with that is a theory not

1828
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: yet espoused widely publicly, that medeuro is somehow linked to

1829
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: the stolen election quote unquote stolen election of Biden. He's

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: a puppet for China. China has been running the elections.

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01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: In terms of think back to the machines your portco

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01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 2: counting machines, the ensuing lawsuits. The claim is that was

1833
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 2: all the technology allegedly came out of Venezuela. The whole

1834
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 2: thing's a stitch up. China are pulling the strings for

1835
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 2: the puppet that is Madeiro, for the puppet that is Venezuela.

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01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: Trump's onto that, et cetera, et cetera. But that's what

1837
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: you're dealing with at the moment. But the thing to

1838
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 2: take out of that is it seems Trump will be

1839
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 2: running in twenty twenty eight. So if you think Venezuela

1840
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 2: is interesting, and you think Greenland's interesting, announcing the third

1841
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: term against a constitution is probably even more interesting. Nine

1842
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 2: away from nine.

1843
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: But the make asking Breakfast with the Defender and used

1844
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: Tom's dead b Let.

1845
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: Me see this question, sir. Trump's just ticked over.

1846
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 24: Now.

1847
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 2: I'm watching it on Fox and the woman Martha McCallum,

1848
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 2: who I've got quite a bit of time for. She's

1849
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 2: very good. I think her show started at the top

1850
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: of the last hour and it only lasts an hour.

1851
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: And Fox take everything that Trump says, See, other networks

1852
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 2: have already cut out of it. But if Fox don't

1853
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 2: cut out of it, and you would you to go

1854
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: to wear at eight o'clock New Zealand time and you

1855
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: show ends at nine o'clock New Zealand time. Did you

1856
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: basically turn up for no reason today because you haven't

1857
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 2: been on here?

1858
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 21: Easy day?

1859
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: Easy day? I guess so. By the way, the research

1860
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 2: department did the aforementioned text earlier on is New Zealand

1861
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: most represented of anywhere in the world and forms of

1862
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: motor racing? The answer appears to be yes, because we've

1863
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: done the research. Yef one, of course IndyCar where we've

1864
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 2: got three Lemont, then Duro racing. In other words, Hartley

1865
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 2: and Bamba saw Hartley at Taupo. That Taupo racing, if

1866
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: you follow racing over the weekend, was fantastic this weekend

1867
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: in for cargo. That'll be good NASCAR. Now, NASCAR's where

1868
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 2: it gets a bit sketchy because everyone's from America in NASCAR,

1869
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,879
Speaker 2: with the exception of Shane ben Gisbergen. So but technically

1870
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: New Zealand's New Zealand and we are represented there and

1871
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: of course in the rallying Hayden pattern. So yes, we

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01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 2: box a mile above that weight, which is that's a

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01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: good fun stat. Five minutes away from.

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Speaker 1: Nine trending now Chemist Wells Greeks every day.

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01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Jimmy carrs in the country at the moment. Big tour,

1876
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 2: too big, big tour. He's put this out. This is

1877
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 2: what you're getting if you're going to Jimmy Carr.

1878
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 28: I'm doing a thirteen city tour of New Zealand, which

1879
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 28: is remarkable given you've only got three cities. It's nice

1880
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 28: to be in New Zealand. But of course for me,

1881
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 28: New Zealand is not just a long way away. It's

1882
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 28: also a long time ago.

1883
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 8: Air.

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01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 28: New Zealand might as well be operating time machines. If

1885
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Speaker 28: I had to describe New Zealand to someone who's never been,

1886
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 28: I'd say nineteen seventies Amish. It's like you as a

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01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 28: nation got to nineteen seventy five and.

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01:28:48,080 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 12: Went ah years. Enough progress for us. Choice bro.

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01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 2: He's he's in Hawk's Bay tonight. He's got a couple

1890
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 2: of nights in hawks Bay before he moves to Rhodora

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01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 2: and Towering also Hamilton, Aukland. He's got I went to look,

1892
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 2: they claiming he's at Spark Arena, followed by the Cary

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01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 2: to Karna with theater, So I couldn't work out if

1894
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 2: you sell it. How come you're mixing those two up anyway.

1895
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 2: You couldn't get tickets to the Spark things, so I

1896
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: assume that's sold out. Carry to Kana. I think you

1897
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 2: still can. And we must get him back on because

1898
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: he said on this program that when he comes to

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01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 2: the country, he'd love to pop in. Now, I don't

1900
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,799
Speaker 2: expect him to pop and give him he's a napier.

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01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: But by the time he gets to Aukland, why wouldn't

1902
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 2: he pop in? Because he's a lovely guy seeing low,

1903
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 2: very nice guy. In the end, the video beautifully tailored.

1904
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: I know I raised this with him when we did

1905
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 2: the interview with him last year, beautifully tailored. Most best

1906
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,759
Speaker 2: dressed comedian gag Anyway, enough of that, back tomorrow morning

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01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 2: from six as always Happy Days.

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Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: News Talk SETB from six am weekdays, or follow the

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