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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Dupericy Ellen drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else news talks for me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 2: massive driver licensing changes coming. Greg Murphy's going to weigh

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Speaker 2: in on that. Psychologist Sarah Chatwin on the worrying news

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Speaker 2: that some school new entrants aren't even toilet trained. And

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Speaker 2: David Farrer on why he actually seriously thinks that we

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Speaker 2: should join Australia.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Cy.

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Speaker 2: Ellen, you know what that Labor and Green Party unity

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Speaker 2: press conference at Waititungi today looked to me? It looked

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Speaker 2: like to me, it looked like desperation. Parties don't generally

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Speaker 2: get other parties to stand next to them and hold

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Speaker 2: for them now. Look Having said that, it's obviously not

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Speaker 2: the first time that we've seen something similar from Labour

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Speaker 2: and the Greens. You'll remember before the twenty seventeen election,

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Speaker 2: Grant Robertson and James Shaw did a similarish thing. They

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Speaker 2: released their budget responsibility rules to try to convince us

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Speaker 2: that they could be trusted with the government's finances. That

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Speaker 2: was an active desperation because they've been batted by Steven

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Speaker 2: Joyce's fiscal whole allegations so long they had to do something,

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Speaker 2: And just like in twenty seventeen, this is an active

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Speaker 2: desperation because Chippy knows his biggest problem this time around

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Speaker 2: trying to get into government is trying to convince voters

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Speaker 2: country together, which is why he left the Malordi Party

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Speaker 2: out of that Unity press conference, because that party is

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Speaker 2: chaos on stilts. The trouble for Chippy, though, is that

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Speaker 2: the Greens aren't exactly the image of internal discipline, are they.

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Speaker 2: What with gold Is the thief and Bussy the awkward parent,

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Speaker 2: Darlene the questionable employer, the spate of staff are resignations,

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Speaker 2: and that's not even mentioning the electorally toxic plans to

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Speaker 2: tax us all into poverty. Chippy is off the mark here, though,

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Speaker 2: if he thinks this is going to solve things for him,

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Speaker 2: because the truth is his only realistic path to government

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Speaker 2: this year is with Winston Peters. Winston has said he's

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Speaker 2: not going to go with Chippy, but that is Chippy's

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Speaker 2: only way to government, and that's where Chippy should be

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Speaker 2: putting his energy into schmoozing Winston until Winston changes his mind.

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Speaker 2: And Winston changing his mind is not unheard of, but

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Speaker 2: doing a press conference with the Greens seems not just

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Speaker 2: like a waste of time, but maybe actually an unfortunate

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Speaker 2: reminder to us all really that a Chippy lead government

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Speaker 2: comes with green colored baggage.

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Speaker 3: Ever, due for Cee Ellen's.

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Speaker 2: Nine two nine two is the press conference? Is what

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Speaker 2: am I talking about? It's the text number. And actually

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Speaker 2: I've got to tell you Chippy stuffed up that press

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Speaker 2: conference something terribly, So I'll run you through that when

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Speaker 2: we get a chance. But let's talk about the Broadcasting

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Speaker 2: Standards Authority, because the Broadcasting Standards Authority has released today

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Speaker 2: it's semi regular list of which swear words are the

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Speaker 2: most unacceptable to hear in broadcasting. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: say the words do not stress out. But there are

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Speaker 2: some interesting trends here to talk about, like according to

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Speaker 2: the report, kiwis are actually becoming less tolerant of bad

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Lewis Tenant is a lecturer in communication studies at aut

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Speaker 2: and is with us. Now, Hey, Lewis, hi, Heather. I

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Speaker 2: found that fascinating. Did you find that fascinating that we're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But as you say broadly, I think you said

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Speaker 6: If you look at the.

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Speaker 5: The results with a bit more nuanced you can say

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Speaker 5: we're more intolerant. But it's actually more intolerance overall for

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Speaker 5: racial slurs and kind of loaded gendered language. But the

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Speaker 5: long term trend for kind of naughty words is still

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Speaker 6: Overall over the past few decades.

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Speaker 5: So I guess it's more now people thinking about intent

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Speaker 2: So there is one exception to what you just said, though,

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Speaker 5: I mean, that is a hypothesis on my part. Don

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Speaker 5: thought about this topic. I could easily get dumped off

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Speaker 5: lawless in terms of legislation. So I wonder whether that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that you can turn the radio on

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Speaker 2: be said. That's a fair point question for you. Why

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Speaker 2: is it that gyped and gypsy are rising in offensiveness?

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Speaker 5: I found that odd at first too, and that they're

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Speaker 5: removed five words from the last one and added five

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Speaker 5: don't know, gypsy and gypped were added up until today,

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Speaker 6: Terms just to kind of test the water in a way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then because okay, that doesn't feel very organic to me,

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Speaker 5: sort of thought about filling any filling out any surveying.

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Speaker 5: You know, you ever got to the like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Just agree because you're supposed to. Hey, do you full

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Speaker 2: see a world? I mean, like it was quite a

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Speaker 5: Well, that's kind of coming back to online content, like

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Speaker 5: and podcasts in general and YouTube videos. Will we ever

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Speaker 5: see it on in broadcasts? Do you mean as a

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Speaker 5: the way it was used in that article was really aggressive.

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Speaker 5: about our Australian friends who interchange that word with cobber.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm quite quite happy to be called in

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Speaker 5: look at like when Trump called that reporter piggy. To me,

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Speaker 5: that was pretty hard to hear and watch. So it

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Speaker 5: wasn't so much the letters of the word, you know,

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Speaker 5: But no, I can't see a world where you're dropping

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Speaker 2: We're all happy about that, Lewis, Thanks very much, mate,

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Speaker 2: you're even a delight to talk to. Lewis Tennant Lectorer

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Speaker 2: just reminding you we're not going to say the word,

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Speaker 2: the school run. Six of the ten most unacceptable terms

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Speaker 2: top three of the least accepted. Pacific people are the

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Speaker 2: least accepting of strong language on air. Older men are

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Speaker 2: the most tolerant, older women are the least tolerant. Strong

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Speaker 2: presenters such as myself, including talkback radio, sports, commentary, or

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Speaker 2: factual programs such as this, and in programs before eight

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Speaker 2: significantly in the last four years. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen past four.

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Speaker 8: Does hi, Heather, have you ever custed on air?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, oh you have? Have you you hit one of

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Speaker 8: those words or not?

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Speaker 8: Have you been caught?

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Speaker 10: Have you been dumped? But I'm fascinated by that.

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Speaker 2: I did one time. I said I did accidentally say

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Speaker 2: the C word, but I was trying to say global

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Speaker 2: But I can broadcast. We can turn it off, shock.

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Speaker 8: We can turn it off.

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Speaker 8: Let's let's think about this.

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Speaker 10: Well, these are theories, whether they're true or not. I've

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Speaker 8: Would it actually work?

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Speaker 1: Zai'd be the name you trust to get the answers

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Speaker 2: Yeah that you are absolutely on the money with your

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Speaker 2: listen to it when he's with us. In around about

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes time. Development on the Epstein files. Bill and

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I cannot wait to talk to

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Speaker 3: News talks they'd be.

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Speaker 15: So I give him.

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Speaker 3: Have you stood in a late well?

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Speaker 2: The RBA has just looked at the cash rate to

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Speaker 2: the rumors around Peenie here Naude quitting labor rumor for

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. It'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Former UK Cabinet Minister Lord Mandlsson has been taking pasting

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Speaker 11: Isn't it time to end the Lord Mandalson's once and

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Speaker 2: Now as it was just telling you about the Reserve

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Speaker 14: It's not so bad for us older ones who you know,

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Speaker 3: Like children, us bloody boomers, our kids are.

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Speaker 2: The ones who are really suffered and finally believe madness

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, not unexpected by any means. Up one quarter one percent.

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Speaker 2: What is the latest with the Liberals and the Nationals?

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Speaker 2: Have they not managed to patch this up?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's it's like watching a slow motion train crash.

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Speaker 4: Make up their mind if they want to challenge her

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Speaker 17: What on earth is she doing wrong?

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Speaker 4: That's what many people are saying.

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Speaker 17: And what a good look for them to have some

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Speaker 17: the first female leader of the Australian Liberal Party.

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Speaker 4: It's just terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's not terrible. What's going to happen with the protests?

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Speaker 2: You guys have got quite quite a strong pro Palestine

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Speaker 2: protest movement, So what's going to happen with the Israeli

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Speaker 2: president's visit?

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Speaker 17: Right the exactly as you alluded to there on the

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Speaker 17: back of what happened at Bondai Beach. Well, let's go back,

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Speaker 17: you know to October seven. From that day there was

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Speaker 17: almost weekly protest by this pro Palestine action group, very

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Speaker 17: strongly supportive of the Palestinian cause. So you've had this

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Speaker 17: situation in the lead up to the disaster at Bondi

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Speaker 17: Beach in December. On the in the wake of that heather,

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Speaker 17: the New South Wales state government rushed laws through the

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Speaker 17: parliament giving police the powers to block in the interest

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Speaker 17: of public safety, the powers to block for a fortnight

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Speaker 17: planned demonstrations in New South Wales.

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Speaker 4: The protests. The protest leaders have.

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Speaker 17: To apply to police for permission to stage a protest

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Speaker 17: in public streets. So the Police commissioner has said today

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Speaker 17: listen with President Hertzog of Israel coming here the dates

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Speaker 17: between February eighth and February and February twelve, the atmosphere

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Speaker 17: is just not right to allow public protests in the

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Speaker 17: interest of public safety, these are going to be banned.

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Speaker 17: By way of background, he said, there have been ten

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Speaker 17: acts of anti Semitism that are being investigated by police.

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Speaker 17: That's just in the last two weeks you've had threatening

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Speaker 17: phone calls made to Jewish leaders in town here and

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Speaker 17: basically what you've got, you've got a standoff now I

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Speaker 17: mean is you know, the president of Israel is regarded

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Speaker 17: by many here as a war criminal. So look, it's

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Speaker 17: a very difficult and challenging position for police. You're going

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Speaker 17: to have lots and lots of police out here looking

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Speaker 17: to protect Hertzov. He's been invited here by Alberan Ezi

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Speaker 17: in a I suppose a show of support, if you will,

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Speaker 17: for Australia's Jewish community that was absolutely gutted by what

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Speaker 17: happened to Pondo Bek.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for talking us throughout Murray Old's Australia correspondent Here.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's assuming that the present coalition will just see me

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Speaker 2: as seamlessly carry on after the election. I think not.

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Speaker 2: My prediction is that Winston will not go back into

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Speaker 2: coalition with the present lot instead of the cross benches,

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Speaker 2: instead of voters he sees fit. Accordingly, Labor, who is

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Speaker 2: poll and greater than National, could form a government with

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Speaker 2: the Greens cooperation, no need for the Malori Party. Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't think the Left is going to be I

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Speaker 2: still just don't think the Left has got has got

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Speaker 2: enough to convince people that they should take over. However,

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Speaker 2: I do think that there is a lesson in that text,

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Speaker 2: which is don't assume that next next term and after

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Speaker 2: the election I mean, is going to be National at

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Speaker 2: New Zealand first. I can see a thousand different ways

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Speaker 2: that it could be a combination of It could be

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Speaker 2: National and New Zealand First by itself. It could be

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Speaker 2: it could be New Zealand First and Labor. It could

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Speaker 2: be a minority government. It could be any any number

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Speaker 2: of different things. But I suspect I still don't see

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Speaker 2: Labor and the Greens and the Maori Party somehow being

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Speaker 2: in coats with each other and running the show after

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Speaker 2: the election. I don't think we're that stupid yet as

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Speaker 2: a voting public. Now, changes to the driver licensing tests

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Speaker 2: have been announced today by Chris Bishop. They're scrapping the

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Speaker 2: full licensed test altogether. So if you're going to try

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Speaker 2: and get your full license, you're not gonna have to

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Speaker 2: sit down and show people that you can drive. The

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Speaker 2: assumptions you can drive. You've been driving for a fair

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Speaker 2: while by now. You will have to demonstrate your skills,

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Speaker 2: your driving skills in the restricted test beforehand. But as

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Speaker 2: a result of that, if you're under the age of

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Speaker 2: twenty five, you're going to spend longer on the learner license.

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Speaker 2: So it's six months at the moment, it's going to

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Speaker 2: move to twelve months. Can be reduced through supervised practice hours,

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Speaker 2: all approved driving course, which I actually recommend. I did

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Speaker 2: one of them. I think the fantastic. The restricted license

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Speaker 2: period will be twelve months as well for the under

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Speaker 2: twenty fives, and then if you're over twenty five, it's

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Speaker 2: going to be six months. Cost is coming back by

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Speaker 2: about eighty bucks. It's all going to take effect from

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Speaker 2: January next year. You're going to have a chat to

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Speaker 2: Greg Murphy. I think, knowing Greg's position on driving, I

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Speaker 2: doubt very much he's going to love this, but let's

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Speaker 2: chat to him. After five sixteen Away.

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Speaker 1: From five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 2: If you haven't yet read David Farr's possibly outrageous opinion piece,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to run you through the details shortly. Stand by.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen away from five and Barry Soper, Senior Political

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Speaker 2: Correspondence with US Aller Barri afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Heather.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so critical minerals is up again, Yes it.

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Speaker 18: Is, and you remember yesterday Chris Luxon was asked about

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Speaker 18: it and said that, look, no decisions have been made,

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Speaker 18: but we now find out that specific talks going on

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Speaker 18: in Washington. That's not to say that Luxon was wrong

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Speaker 18: because no decisions have been made there. There's a meeting

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Speaker 18: of critical Minerals ministerial being hosted by Marco Rubio, and

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Speaker 18: that's dozens of countries are at it. So New Zealand

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Speaker 18: is one of them. And for New Zealand to come

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Speaker 18: away with the joint statements that we'll look at this issue,

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Speaker 18: you know, more seriously, and of course they will, so

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Speaker 18: will all the other countries say exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 18: So Chris Hopkins, in my tonguey today and also the

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Speaker 18: Green said that Luxelon was out of touch, didn't know

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Speaker 18: what was going on with his own government. Well, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 18: I listened to Luckson very carefully on this one and

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Speaker 18: he certainly wasn't out of touch. But somebody that would

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Speaker 18: seem to be out of touch today was Chris Hopkins himself.

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Speaker 18: He essentially said that the issue was between.

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Speaker 8: Peenie Henare whether he had resigned or not.

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Speaker 18: Now, certainly Chris Hipkins seemed very confused about that. Have

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Speaker 18: I listened to how he answered questions about it.

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Speaker 19: I've always been really clear and my position stays the

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Speaker 19: same today that MP's make their own decisions. And own

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Speaker 19: announcements about their futures, and then I'm happy to comment

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Speaker 19: on them once they've done that, but I don't do

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Speaker 19: that on their But I'm not going to be commenting

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Speaker 19: further on the matter until Penni himself has made for

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Speaker 19: the public comments on it. He's making an announcement at

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Speaker 19: four o'clock and I'll comment after that.

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Speaker 20: Public.

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Speaker 19: Well, if if meta outlets have breached the embargo, then

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Speaker 19: that's their.

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Speaker 6: Call, that's his call.

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Speaker 16: He's doing interviews.

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Speaker 19: Well, I understand he did some in some pre recorded

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Speaker 19: interviews in advance under in bargo. If media outlets have

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Speaker 19: broken the embargo, that's a question for them.

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Speaker 2: But it's public knowledge.

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Speaker 21: Now.

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Speaker 19: I'm going to comment on it later on.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to comment on it later on. I'm going

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Speaker 3: to comment on it later on.

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Speaker 19: You can keep asking, but I'll give you the same answer.

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Speaker 18: He was even asked at one stage whether he had

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Speaker 18: confidence in Penie and wouldn't answer that.

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Speaker 4: Now you think that.

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Speaker 18: Would be a simple thing for him to do. There's

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Speaker 18: been a suggestion that he na is looking at the

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Speaker 18: New Zealand First Party and coincidentally, Shane Jones is having

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Speaker 18: his shindig prior to Whiteitangy day tomorrow night up in

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Speaker 18: white Tangy and it'll be interesting to see if Penny

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Speaker 18: Henad is there. But he said specifically in an interview

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Speaker 18: that I've heard that was done in Wellington that he

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Speaker 18: would not be joining New Zealand first, even though he

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Speaker 18: has a lot of respect for Winston Peters and for

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Speaker 18: change O.

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Speaker 2: So something's gone on here though, hasn't it. Because if

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Speaker 2: Chippy for Chippy to be asked if he would express

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Speaker 2: confidence and back I think the question was would you

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Speaker 2: back Penny hen Nada. For him to decline backing Pena

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Speaker 2: hen Nade, something weird has gone away. Well again the

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Speaker 2: bad blood between the two of them, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 18: But again Hipkins was clearly unaware that an early statement

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Speaker 18: was coming from his own office in Wellington, because they

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Speaker 18: released a statement this is the Labor Party just after

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Speaker 18: three o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So presumably forced though by the.

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Speaker 18: Fact that somebody has said that yes exactly.

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Speaker 2: Had had gone precipitate that. But look, I haven't that

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Speaker 2: a lesson though, Barry, I mean, how hard was it?

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Speaker 2: So Chippy was holding this press conference of what was

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Speaker 2: a haus Won two or whatever it was how hard

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Speaker 2: was it for him to simply being nimble and go Okay,

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Speaker 2: things have transpired faster than we thought they were earlier,

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Speaker 2: So just answer the bloody questions. What he's made himself.

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Speaker 2: He turned it into a fast and what was supposed

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Speaker 2: to be a press conference about unity between Labor and

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Speaker 2: the Greens turned into a press conference about why the

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Speaker 2: Maori Party wasn't there and what the weird thing was

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Speaker 2: going on between him.

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Speaker 18: Exact all his fault, Yeah, totally, totally, and he should

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Speaker 18: have said something by now, because the statement's been out

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Speaker 18: for what almost two hours now.

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Speaker 2: From the lads, very much smacks of him trying to

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Speaker 2: avoid saying.

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Speaker 18: I'm not sure because we have asked Chippy to come

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Speaker 18: on the show, and to be fair, his day is boox,

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Speaker 18: but Chippy is not.

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Speaker 2: Chippy's not coming on this show to talk about pen

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Speaker 2: or anything else today. It feels like they're running away

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Speaker 2: from stuff anyway. Listen, Unbarried, it's good to talk to you,

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 18: The Greens, you've got to talk about them getting together today.

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Speaker 18: That's a rare, rare recurrence, thoughts desperate. Well, look, I

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Speaker 18: mean talk about Chippy declaring his hand he's got no

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Speaker 18: comeback from this. So the Greens are on board. Look

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Speaker 18: at their loopy policies and think about what a coalition

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Speaker 18: would look like with that.

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Speaker 2: Never mind their staffing issues like Golly the thief. Yes,

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Speaker 2: for example, eight away from five Barries So for senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent, by the way, on what Barry was just

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Speaker 2: talking about labor plus the Greens, of course, at the

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Speaker 2: Unity press conference, they were very thrilled to be friends

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Speaker 2: with each other. And this is what Madame and Davidson

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Speaker 2: had to say. This is a beautiful opportunity for us

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Speaker 2: to be together and really emphasize that we've always worked

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Speaker 2: together and we can continue to.

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Speaker 19: All political parties have their internal issues, and the key

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Speaker 19: thing is can we work together? Are there a lot

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Speaker 19: of things that we agree on? Can we have a

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Speaker 19: good constructive working relationship? Yes, yes, we absolutely can do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, good for them, it sounds lovely. Four away from

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Speaker 2: five Now here's the thing, Okay, Well, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Chloe Swarbrick is going to be with us after have

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Speaker 2: us five to talk us through that. This is a

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Speaker 2: serious question for you. How would you feel about becoming

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Speaker 2: the seventh state of Australia. Because and I'm being serious,

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Speaker 2: and so is David Farah. David Farah, friend of the show,

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Speaker 2: has written an opinion piece today and he's basically made

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Speaker 2: the argument that because the world is as nutty as

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Speaker 2: it is with all of the global rules, the rules

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Speaker 2: based system as we talk about having broken down, because

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Speaker 2: the world is so nutty, really you have to be

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Speaker 2: a reasonably big country to be able to survive, you know,

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Speaker 2: might's right type thing, and we are just so small

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Speaker 2: that we are going to get lost in this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But if we sign up to if we finally take

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Speaker 2: up Australia's offer to become of the seventh State, we

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Speaker 2: may actually have a chance. And his argument is we

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Speaker 2: would go this becoming part of Australia would take the

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Speaker 2: population to thirty three million. We would go from being

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two in terms of the size

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Speaker 2: in the world, you know, in terms of populous countries,

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Speaker 2: to forty seven. We'd have an economy of three point

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Speaker 2: three trillion New Zealand dollars, that's the GDP. We'd go

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Speaker 2: from the fifty third largest economy to the twelfth largest.

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Speaker 2: We would be bigger than Spain, South Korea, Turkey. The

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Speaker 2: combined defense force would be seventy thousand active personnel and

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Speaker 2: thirty five thousand reserves, which is about half as large

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Speaker 2: as the UK's, which is big. The defense budget would

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Speaker 2: be the eleventh largest in the world, larger than Canada,

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Speaker 2: Poland and Israel. We would still be able to because

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Speaker 2: we'd be a state, still be able to run our

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Speaker 2: own health and education system, still responsible for our roads

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Speaker 2: and public transport systems, to be able to elect people

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Speaker 2: to parliament, the Federal Parliament and so on. Still have

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Speaker 2: our own New Zealand police force. When you first hear

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Speaker 2: it, it sounds a bit nutty when David runs through the

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Speaker 2: argument least, so we're going to talk to him about

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Speaker 2: it in about twenty minutes time. But first up Greek

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Speaker 2: Murphy on the licensing changes. Newstalk ZB five blome.

682
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Speaker 4: Are five name brown Eyes.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fag sack and give the analysis.

685
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Speaker 1: Here the duplicy ell and drive with one New Zealand

686
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Speaker 1: and the power of satellite mobile news dogs, there'd be afternoon.

687
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Speaker 2: The government's announced the biggest changes to drive the licenses

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Speaker 2: since at least twenty eleven, the lunar period's going to

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Speaker 2: double to twelve months. For kids who are under the

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Speaker 2: age of twenty five, it's going to stay six months

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Speaker 2: for over twenty fives. Once you've got your restricted all

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Speaker 2: you need to do is wait another twelve months and

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Speaker 2: avoid any demerits because the demerits will add time to

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Speaker 2: the period that you're on the restricted license, and then

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Speaker 2: you will not have to sit a test to get

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Speaker 2: a full license, just walk in and ask for it

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Speaker 2: once the wait is up. Motorsport champ and road safety

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Speaker 2: advocate Greg Murphy is with us on this. Hi Greg, Hi, Heather,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about this?

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's a bit mixed.

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Speaker 22: There's some reasonable additions and some obvious ones. The Xero

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Speaker 22: alcohol situation is a pretty clear and obvious one, and

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Speaker 22: a good one. The demerit points on restricted and learners.

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Speaker 3: Is also.

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Speaker 22: I suppose somewhat of a deterrent to add time onto

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Speaker 22: their license. I don't think it's gone far enough in

707
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Speaker 22: respect of forcing people into getting proper training effectively. You know,

708
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Speaker 22: you can go through two years really do next to nothing,

709
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Speaker 22: not look to go and do a prescribed training course

710
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Speaker 22: of course that can get six months off your learners

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Speaker 22: and basically not drive, and at the end of those

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Speaker 22: two years you can walk in and get a full license.

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Speaker 22: And to me, that's not going far enough because it's

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Speaker 22: not actually meaning we're going to have safer drivers on

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Speaker 22: the road.

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Speaker 7: It just means it's going to cost you a little

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Speaker 7: bit less.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about it, And this is the

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Speaker 2: thing that I think a lot of most people will

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Speaker 2: be interested in. How do you feel about the dropping

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Speaker 2: of the test for the full license?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, was for it in the submission process only if

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Speaker 22: drivers were along the process of learners and restricted forced

724
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Speaker 22: to go and actually get some proper practical driver training

725
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Speaker 22: and not just going with a driving instructor. You know,

726
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Speaker 22: we need more controlled environment stuff around, you know, stopping distances,

727
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Speaker 22: emergency stopping, getting some cognitive awareness around you know, some

728
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Speaker 22: of these things that you need to be prepared for

729
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Speaker 22: that most people aren't prepared for when they happen. Most

730
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Speaker 22: of the crashes and incidents, injuries, deaths that are that

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Speaker 22: are happening on our roads are by people that don't

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Speaker 22: know what to do in certain situations, cannot read the situations,

733
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Speaker 22: cannot read the weather conditions, don't realize they're going too fast,

734
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Speaker 22: don't realize you know, the potentials of the safety features

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Speaker 22: of their cars, all this kind of stuff, and unless

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Speaker 22: you go and learn that, you're not offered it as

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Speaker 22: part of, you know, the process of getting your learners

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Speaker 22: getting your driver's license.

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Speaker 3: So can I just.

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Speaker 2: Say that defensive driving course I did the one when

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Speaker 2: I think I might have been on my restricted that

742
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Speaker 2: is one of the most helpful courses you can put

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Speaker 2: a cat on a.

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Speaker 7: Well, it is if you are doing it for the

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Speaker 7: right reason.

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Speaker 22: And the defensive driving courses now been is not being

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Speaker 22: used now as a carrot to reduce the restricted license time.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the restrict.

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Speaker 22: License time is only twelve months, which is not a

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Speaker 22: long time anyway. The defensive driving course has some great

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Speaker 22: stuff in it, but it's not been a pass or

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Speaker 22: a fail.

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Speaker 7: It's basically been.

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Speaker 22: A participation certificate to get six months off your license.

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Speaker 22: So I don't think it's actually been working as good

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Speaker 22: as it could have if it was compulsory and it

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Speaker 22: was a pass or a fail, because I think there

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Speaker 22: is some really good stuff in there, but also it's

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Speaker 22: predominantly very much a theory process. I'm still a big

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Speaker 22: advocate for practical stuff in controlled environments to understand emergency breaking,

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Speaker 22: what it's like to put your foot on the break

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Speaker 22: and experience abs what you can do with that, and

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Speaker 22: it'll just understand better dynamics and physics of a motor

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Speaker 22: vehicle and why they can be so dangerous in lots

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Speaker 22: of situations.

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Speaker 7: So we haven't gone far enough in that respect to

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Speaker 7: do that.

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Speaker 22: You know there is going to be nt TA are

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Speaker 22: going to have the powers to look to prescribe more

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Speaker 22: training courses as part of that. Can be part of

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Speaker 22: that getting six months taken off your learnal license, So

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Speaker 22: that is a good thing. But you know, what I

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Speaker 22: believe is important in those courses is maybe not the

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Speaker 22: same as what other people think it should be done.

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Speaker 22: So you know, it's it's a big it's a shift,

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Speaker 22: it's a change in my mind.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's going to produce safer drivers on

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Speaker 7: our roads.

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Speaker 2: Greg, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you mate.

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Speaker 2: This is Greg Murphy Key, we motorsport Champion and our

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Speaker 2: road safety advocate eleven past.

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Speaker 3: Five Heather Duperyl.

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Speaker 2: So when your surveys reporting a worrying trend in primary schools,

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Speaker 2: this is out of Auckland primary schools, ninety percent of

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Speaker 2: them say kids are starting without basic skills like being

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Speaker 2: able to hold a pencil, identifying the letters in their

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Speaker 2: own names, and even being toilet trained. Mind works on

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Speaker 2: mind works, psychologist Sarah Chatlan is with me, now, hi, Sarah, Ah,

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Speaker 2: what is going on here?

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Speaker 13: What is going on in the homes? Given that these

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Speaker 13: kids can't even identify their names, you know, they haven't

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Speaker 13: been toilet trained or even started. So there's something in

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Speaker 13: that that needs to be looked into in terms of,

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Speaker 13: you know, what parenting is going on in the first instance,

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Speaker 13: because I do not think that we can look to

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Speaker 13: early childhood educationalists to provide you know, education at that level.

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Speaker 13: That's really really worrying. And then I think it speaks

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Speaker 13: to you know, how important good quality early childhood education

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Speaker 13: is in that it's really helping those kids transition from

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Speaker 13: you know that state to school. But man, when it's lacking,

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Speaker 13: there are some really big holes from gaps.

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Speaker 2: Surely, surely these are this is a very very very

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Speaker 2: very very small group of children who can't do these things.

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Speaker 23: Surely well, I mean the numbers suggest that whilst it

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Speaker 23: is a smaller group of children than a larger group

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Speaker 23: of children who have those very rudimentary skills. They're still there,

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Speaker 23: so it doesn't really matter. I mean, certainly things need

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Speaker 23: to be sharpened, but I think as parents, we all

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Speaker 23: need to look at what is going on in the

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Speaker 23: home and why these very rudimentary basic skills are showing

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Speaker 23: up a in the early childhood education centers because it's

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Speaker 23: quite obvious to these teachers and these caregivers that you know,

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Speaker 23: things are not quite right, and then this is putting

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Speaker 23: children so far behind when you have an ECE care

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Speaker 23: of saying, you know, this is basically holding children back

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Speaker 23: for three years when they're at school because they just

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Speaker 23: do not have these fundamentals. So whilst it's a small group,

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Speaker 23: they're still there, so they matter to me. They're important,

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Speaker 23: and I think we're seeing a trend in this small

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Speaker 23: group growing.

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on in the home.

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Speaker 13: I think that there are other things going on in

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Speaker 13: the home, a lot of other things. I think that

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Speaker 13: parents perhaps aren't queued into or you know, leaning into

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Speaker 13: a parenting role. They might be physically and financially challenged,

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Speaker 13: they have, you know, a different focus than the kids' education.

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Speaker 13: I don't know whether we're actually thinking about parenting when

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Speaker 13: we get involved in the situation of becoming one, because

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Speaker 13: hither you and I both know a huge responsibility. I

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Speaker 13: think there's social media and access to things that really

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Speaker 13: take people's attention away from very important things like actually

832
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Speaker 13: spending some time with your children, teaching them how to

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Speaker 13: go to the toilet, teaching them what their name is

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Speaker 13: and how to identify the letters in their name, some

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Speaker 13: of the very basic things that you know, a lot

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Speaker 13: of us do do with our kids, but certainly some

837
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Speaker 13: of us are not doing well.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, Thanks very much, appreciate your time. Sarah Chatwin, who

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Speaker 2: is a psychologist of mind works. I'm going to come

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Speaker 2: back to this and just to take obviously because my

841
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Speaker 2: kids around about that age did not expect the flood

842
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Speaker 2: of texts saying yes, joining Australia is a good idea.

843
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Speaker 2: We should join. We're too small, we are chief diversification

844
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Speaker 2: in an industry if we join up. Talk to David Farah,

845
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Speaker 2: who's an idea. This is next quarter past all right,

846
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Speaker 2: at a seventeen past five, here's an idea for you.

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Speaker 2: Given that the global rules based order as we know

848
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Speaker 2: has so spectacularly broken down under Donald Trump, and smaller

849
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Speaker 2: countries like ours are at risk of being bullied terribly

850
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Speaker 2: should we finally join Australia as its seventh state. Political

851
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Speaker 2: commentator David Farrer has written an opinion piece arguing exactly this,

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Speaker 2: so let's have a chat to him about it. David, Hello, Hey, Heather,

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Speaker 2: you are being serious.

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Speaker 11: Ah, I am being serious, and it's not saying I

855
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Speaker 11: want to advocate. I'd rather than New Zealand's an independent country.

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Speaker 11: I've enjoyed you said, be to the independent country. But if

857
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Speaker 11: you take a hard look at where the world is now,

858
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Speaker 11: where it's a miter's right where Mark Carney said the

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Speaker 11: rules based order has gone, I actually think we need

860
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Speaker 11: to be bigger. And we're a butt lucky because we've

861
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Speaker 11: got our country which we're very very close to, we're

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Speaker 11: culturally similar to. We're economically integrated too, and we'd be

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Speaker 11: a lot safer if we're a bigger country.

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Speaker 3: Basically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is your argument largely as safety

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Speaker 2: and economics, right, bigger population, bigger economy, we all become wealthy,

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Speaker 2: we have a bigger defense force. But aren't we integrated

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Speaker 2: with the Australians to such an extent that we're kind

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Speaker 2: of part of them, even if we're not officially part

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Speaker 2: of them anyway.

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Speaker 11: Yes, but when push comes to shove, they put their

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Speaker 11: own tests first a lot. They deport their five oho

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Speaker 11: ones to us. Can't blame them for that. That couldn't

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Speaker 11: happen actually if we were part of Australia. Where I

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Speaker 11: come back to is what can happen when one of

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Speaker 11: the big countries, Let's say the US makes a demand

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Speaker 11: of us. Now on the past, you've spent two or

878
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Speaker 11: three years negotiating this, like we did over the copyright

879
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 11: chapter of the TPP. They want copyright to be set

880
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 11: too years. We want it to be fifty. Now, what's

881
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 11: going to happen heither is the US will say you're

882
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 11: changing your copyright term to one hundred years, or weing

883
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 11: up one hundred percent. Terrorists on your meat, beef and dairy,

884
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 11: and fifty thousand people lose their jobs. And when you're

885
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 11: a small, minot country, you've just got no ability to resist.

886
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: Okay, you're a Poland guy, you're a politics guy. You

887
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: know that you may have a good idea, but you

888
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: have to convince people of it. How do you rate

889
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: your chances that Kiwis would get on board with this.

890
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 11: I actually wonder if Kiwis might be easier to persuade

891
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 11: than Aussie's. We shouldn't assume that Australia will automatically be oh, yes, yes,

892
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 11: we want New Zealand. But I actually think I've never

893
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 11: polled on this as not something up until a few

894
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 11: months ago I thought would be right for New Zealand.

895
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 11: But I actually do think New Zealanders can look around

896
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 11: the world and say we can't just keep going the

897
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 11: way we're going. It's not going to work.

898
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 6: I guess my.

899
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 11: Challenge to the politicians out there would be, look, if

900
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 11: you don't think the answer is becoming a state of Australia,

901
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 11: which is admittedly radical, what's your solution is it just

902
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 11: hope no one notices us? Because the point I'm trying

903
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 11: to get across is the status crow of the last

904
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 11: fifty years is no longer valid. The world has changed

905
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 11: and if we just wait for us to realize how

906
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 11: this one pecked us without being prepared for it, I

907
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 11: think we're going to end up in a nasty place.

908
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: David, you make a compelling argument. Thank you for your time.

909
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: David Farah Kiwi blog and curi Opolster. Heather joining Australia

910
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: gets my vote. Heather seventh state pros we could have

911
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: a State of Origin league team and a Big Bash

912
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: cricket team. Heither, I agree with David Farrer completely. The

913
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: problem is, after being in Sydney last week, why would

914
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: Australia want anything to do with us? Hither being a

915
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: state of Australia will never happen because it might make

916
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: the treaty invalid. Hither I'm all for it, just not

917
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: under that idiot Albanezi. There you go, most people. Most

918
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: people see the scenes here.

919
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 20: Five mostly good points, Heather, but they won't even give

920
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 20: Victoria it's own state of Origin team or or any

921
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 20: of the other states. So I think we'll probably have.

922
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: To get We're not going to discount the entire idea

923
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: just based on that.

924
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 20: Are we on your stay on? If we're in an

925
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 20: Origin team, I'd be in night Flint.

926
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it counts against the idea, but everything else

927
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: looks good. Five twenty two.

928
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 3: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

929
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: It's Heather do for cy Ellen Drive with one New

930
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: Zealand coverage like no one else news talks there'd.

931
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Be Chloe Swarbrick is going to be with us on

932
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: the Greens plus the Labor Party show of Unity today

933
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: at Whitehungy. Right now it's five twenty four. By the way,

934
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: she's going to be with us in about ten minutes

935
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: after the half past news. I really enjoyed listening to

936
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: Mike this morning talking to the Meta Safety executive about

937
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: the social media band, not only because it was a

938
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: good interview because it was Mike so obviously, but also

939
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: because it made me realize Meta is worried, aren't they.

940
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 2: They're worried that this idea of banning the kids from

941
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: social media is catching on. Australia did it. France now

942
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 2: has legislation approved, We've got a bill in the Biscuit tin.

943
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: Denmark is considering it, the UK is considering it go

944
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: and India is considering it. Greece is considering it now.

945
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: Obviously considering it is different to actually doing it. Considering

946
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: it is a bit of a holding zone, a bit

947
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: of a purgatory, a place that ideas can go to die.

948
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: But considering it is also not an outright no. And

949
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: right now around the world looks to me like the

950
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: yeses and the considering its are beating the nose. So

951
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: what do you do if you're one of the social

952
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: media giants facing the real prospect of losing millions of

953
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: your best customers around the world because their mums and

954
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: dads vote to ban it, Well, what you do is

955
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: you ran out old Mate Davis, your head of global safety,

956
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: to tell everyone there's nothing to worry about, because she's

957
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: a mum and she wants a teacher, and she cares

958
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: about kids. And then you send her to Spain, and

959
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: you send it to Ireland, and you send it to Australia,

960
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: and you send it to New Zealand to soothe the

961
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: worried parents. But I'm not soothed, not at all. I

962
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: do not trust the social media giants, just in the

963
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: same way I don't trust big Tobacco or Big Farmer,

964
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: because their main consideration is profits, not kids' brains. I've

965
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: watched them do nothing for years, but all of a

966
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: sudden they want old Mate Davis to come and talk

967
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: to us. And most importantly, I've used their product and

968
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: I understand it is incredibly addictive and for the most

969
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: part it's utterly pointless, So banning it for the kids

970
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: is not going to do anything bad to their lives.

971
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 7: Now.

972
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: It's not to say that old mate Davis didn't have

973
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: some valid points to make, because she did like the

974
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: fact that maybe parental controls over downloading apps is a

975
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: good idea. But my primary takeaway from that interview this

976
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: morning was that Meta is worried that this idea is

977
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: catching on and that, as far as I'm concerned, is

978
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: a good thing.

979
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: Neither dupless Ellen hither what.

980
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: Would happen to the All Blacks and the Wallabies and

981
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 2: says that's nothing to be concerned about because Hong Kong

982
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: has been, you know, obviously been sucked into the old

983
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 2: China situation. Hong Kong's got its own national football team

984
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: in the same way that China has its own national

985
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: football team. So we could have a carva out for

986
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: like the historic significance of the All Blacks going into.

987
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 20: The I mean, if you look at world rugby does

988
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 20: not want to get rid of the All Blacks. None

989
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 20: of the other countries want to get rid of it,

990
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 20: so they'd find a reason that it's okay for.

991
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: Us to find a way. Also, if we don't want

992
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: to go full hog into Australia, we can do the

993
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 2: Greenland situation, can we not.

994
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 20: End well, yeah, we could be like an autonomous, self

995
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 20: governing territory. We have our own prime minister, but like

996
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 20: we're part of the Australian realm or so commonwealth. They

997
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 20: called it cold wealth, don't they.

998
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that.

999
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 20: You could do that a coped income.

1000
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest about it. If we did

1001
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: join them, we would never ever get a New Zealand

1002
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: Prime Minister of Australia New Zealand ever again. But then again,

1003
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: given that our track record does include just in that,

1004
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: maybe that's not a bad thing. Chloe's going to be

1005
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: with us next.

1006
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: Hard questions strong opinion here the dupas Ellen drive with

1007
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: one New Zealand and of power of satellite mobile news dogs,

1008
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: that'd be.

1009
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 9: Heither?

1010
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: What would our currency be? Would it be the Australian dollar?

1011
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 24: Do you know?

1012
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 2: I love how seriously we're taking this as an idea. Yes,

1013
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: but of course, of course what are you talking about?

1014
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: Of course it would be the Australian dollar. Are you nuts?

1015
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: Do you want to get paid in Aussie dollars or

1016
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars? Don't be silly, you want to get

1017
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: paid an Aussie dollars. You want to be properly rich

1018
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: for the first time in your life. The hard all

1019
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: standing by gonna be with that shortly. I should have

1020
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: actually said, Stephen Sheler is going to be on the

1021
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: show with us after six now. Stephen Schieler is the

1022
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: former Facebook Australia New Zealand CEO, and of course he's

1023
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: been on the show before and we're going to get

1024
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: him to respond to what Antagony Davis had to say earlier.

1025
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: Right now, it's twenty five away from six. Now to

1026
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: the show of unity between Labor and the Greens. Today,

1027
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: the pair of them teamed up to hold a news

1028
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: conference in why Pungey this afternoon to demonstrate that they

1029
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: can work together. And of course the co leader of

1030
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 2: the Greens is Chloe Swarbrick, who's with us now, Hi,

1031
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: Chloe Calder, how are you? I'm very well, thank you.

1032
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 21: Now.

1033
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you're trying to do here by holding

1034
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: the press conference, but holding a press conference is hardly

1035
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: proof that you guys can work together, is it.

1036
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 25: F Yeah, I totally take your point. So we're at Waitongi,

1037
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 25: which is typically considered the start of the political year,

1038
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 25: and this was a moment in which we were able

1039
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 25: to say, hey, look, we're obviously two independent, different political parties.

1040
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 25: There's a reason that I can tell you that I'm

1041
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 25: in the Green Party. It's because of our values and

1042
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 25: our evidence based, common sense policies. But there are a

1043
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 25: lot of things that we can work together on and

1044
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 25: we'll stand side by side and we'll answer questions about

1045
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 25: that and be accountable to the people of this country

1046
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 25: on exactly that too.

1047
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: Did I read it right watching the press conference that

1048
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: you and Matimer were a little uncomfortable about the fact

1049
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: that Labor had vetoed the Maori Party being there.

1050
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 25: No, not at all. When we were planning this, which

1051
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 25: only came together in the last few days. It was

1052
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 25: all about what's an opportunity for us just to stand

1053
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 25: together and make it clear where our alignment is.

1054
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: Would you have included the Maori Party today?

1055
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 25: I didn't have anything to do with the planning of it.

1056
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 25: Behind the scenes. It was discussions between both of our

1057
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 25: chiefs of stuff you're at I am, and I have

1058
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 25: had conversations with Tipati Marti as his Martimer and all

1059
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 25: of arian P's as well, both those Madiya Minoor and

1060
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 25: are also Targut, but also obviously the co Letterers real

1061
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 25: they are Debbie and Arwady. So yeah, look, what we

1062
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 25: were looking at showing is just effectively that Labor and

1063
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 25: the Greens have worked together in the past and we

1064
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 25: can work together in the future. But I can tell

1065
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 25: you loud and clear that we also have a functioning

1066
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 25: relationship with party Marti, and we've also been clear. But

1067
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 25: obviously they have a few things to work out themselves.

1068
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: Okay, is there any is there any realistic chance that

1069
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: they are go If you were to get anywhere near

1070
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: government at this election, would you really include them? Is

1071
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: there a chance that they would be included?

1072
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 25: Look, I think this is why it's really important that

1073
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 25: we will kind of take a step back ten months

1074
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 25: out from the election and we reflect on the reality

1075
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 25: that every single possible potential future for our country is

1076
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 25: going to be on the table and New Zealanders are

1077
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 25: going to be paying attention. That is a really exciting

1078
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 25: proposition for us as a country. And I don't think

1079
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 25: politicians or any political party is entitled to absolutely anything,

1080
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 25: and I make that point particularly actually at out the

1081
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 25: legacy parties of National and Labor. And here again is

1082
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 25: where I distinguish us as the Green Party very clearly.

1083
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 25: We've got a lot that we work with Labor on,

1084
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 25: but we also have some different views on some very

1085
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 25: clear things, and look, you know we express those even

1086
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 25: when we're in a governing relationship with Labor. The fact that,

1087
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 25: for example, they decided to keep in place a tax

1088
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 25: system which sees your average hard working New Zealander, our nurses,

1089
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 25: our teachers, and our firefighters pay double the effective tax

1090
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 25: rate of multi, multi multi millionaires. Not only is that

1091
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 25: profoundly unfair, but it also robs us all of the

1092
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Speaker 25: investment necessary to rebuild our infrastructure. So that again is

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Speaker 25: the options that New Zealanders have to choose from that

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Speaker 25: will all be elaborating on come election time.

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Speaker 2: Didn't answer my question though. The reason I'm asking about

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Speaker 2: the Marti Party, and the reason that press conference was

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00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: basically dominated by questions about the Marti Party is because

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Speaker 2: they are so wild any government, the prospect that they

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Speaker 2: would be included in the government would just put so

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Speaker 2: many voters off. So is there any chance that you

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Speaker 2: actually want to have them in a government?

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Speaker 25: Well, this is up to New Zealanders, and I think

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Speaker 25: you'll hear me say the same thing, and I say

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00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 25: actould say the same thing whenever it must about polls

1105
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Speaker 25: to be honest, where the polls are up and down,

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00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 25: which is that no politician and no political party is

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Speaker 25: entitled to anything. If New Zealanders do decide to vote

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Speaker 25: in such a way that we have three left wing

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00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 25: progressive parties that are able to form government, then those

1110
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 25: are the cards that have been dealt by New Zealanders.

1111
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 25: New Zealand are the ones who have made that decision.

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Speaker 2: Have you thought about Labour's most likely path to power

1113
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: being Labor plus New Zealand first, and the fact that

1114
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: that's the truth, Chloe, you know that? And if that

1115
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: was a if when he even sniffed at Chippy's door,

1116
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: Chippy would dump you so fast.

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00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 25: Politics is a funny old game, isn't it? Hither And look,

1118
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 25: I mean I've said many many times, or rather people

1119
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 25: have kind of pointed out to me, you know, the

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Speaker 25: kind of disdain that I have for this game of politics.

1121
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 25: And I know that the old adages don't hate the player,

1122
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 25: hate the game, or if I'm going just be friend fring,

1123
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 25: I kind of hate the game. I think that New

1124
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 25: Zealanders deserve better than this fixation that we have in

1125
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Speaker 25: politics on personalities and all of the high level nonsense

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00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 25: and slogan that I know you're not doing that.

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00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling I am this is the political players. I know,

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Speaker 2: I know it's frustrated. But but in my defense asking

1129
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: that question, this is about policies, right, and Winston has

1130
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: policies compatible with both sides. And if and he's going

1131
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: to use this, this is how it works. He'll use

1132
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: it for leverage. You'll play one side off the against

1133
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 2: the other, and he goes with Labor You're out and

1134
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: that must suck standing there helping Chippy and then knowing

1135
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: you're going to be thrown away.

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Speaker 25: Well, I dispute the point, the point that we'll be

1137
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 25: thrown away. You know, I am here as the co

1138
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Speaker 25: leader of the co leader of the Green Party, campaigning

1139
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 25: very strongly for a strong Green Party vote so that

1140
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Speaker 25: we have the requisite number of nps in Parliament to

1141
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Speaker 25: be able to get the change across the line that

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Speaker 25: New Zealander is quite frankly need, but.

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Speaker 6: More than that, deserve.

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Speaker 25: And look, if people want to cast their vote with

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Speaker 25: a guy who will stick his finger up in the

1146
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Speaker 25: air and see whichever way the wind blows in order

1147
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Speaker 25: to garner a few votes at the last minute, then

1148
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Speaker 25: so be it. His track record speaks for itself. I

1149
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 25: believe in democracy and I believe in New Zealanders, and

1150
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Speaker 25: that's why I'm really excited about the next ten months

1151
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 25: that we have the opportunity to make it really clear

1152
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 25: the options that New Zealanders have on the table. We

1153
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 25: can continue down the track that we're on at the

1154
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 25: moment where this government ties us not only from a

1155
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 25: foreign affairs perspective more to the United States, but seems

1156
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 25: intent on modeling their economy that is growing deeply entrenched

1157
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 25: inequality and making it harder for people to access healthcare

1158
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 25: and education and our infrastructure. Or we can choose to

1159
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 25: put the well being of people and planet ahead of

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Speaker 25: short term profit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, listen, Chloe, thank you for your time and

1162
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Speaker 2: good luck with everything. This year is close. Wawbrick Green's

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Speaker 2: co leader. Can I just say shout out to Chloe

1164
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Speaker 2: for coming on the show and talking about it, because

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Speaker 2: the reason Chloe's here is because Shippy was hire Busy,

1166
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Speaker 2: real Busy. Today eighteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand, Southby's International Realty a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: Right on the huddles to me this evening, Bridget Molton,

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Speaker 2: lawyer and director at Frank zogil Be and Craig Greeny,

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Speaker 2: Council of t Union's economist. Hell are you too good

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Speaker 2: eight thing good eving, Craig? What's the bad blood between

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Speaker 2: pene Henaai and Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 24: I have absolutely no idea. I heard the announcement this afternoon.

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Speaker 24: I'm not sure there actually is any bad blood. I

1176
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 24: hope you Pennies made a statement in that he wants

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Speaker 24: to leave parliament for family, for health, for other reasons.

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Speaker 24: I've got absolutely no reason to doubt that the validity

1179
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Speaker 24: of that statement at all.

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Speaker 2: Bridget, have you heard any gossip because something weird's going on?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Chibby wouldn't even beck Peenie here nada when

1182
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Speaker 2: he was asked multiple times to do it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, it does seem like there is something

1184
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Speaker 16: deeper going on there. But I mean I think you're

1185
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 16: going probably to the heart of what is happening in

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Speaker 16: terms of the Labor Party reshuffling itself internally of the

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Speaker 16: election this year. They've got to make some tough decisions.

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Speaker 16: But who's on the front beach, whose policies are not

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Speaker 16: going to survive from sort of the twenty twenty three election,

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Speaker 16: what's not going to survive? So I think we'll see

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Speaker 16: plenty of these kind of discussions going forward.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, yeah, bridget and miss say with you,

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Speaker 2: do you think that the show of unity was was

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00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: worthwhile or actually counter productive in that it reminded us

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Speaker 2: that the only way Chippy gets the power, at least

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Speaker 2: his best wish at the moment, is with that lot

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Speaker 2: attached to him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I mean it seems a little odd that Labor and

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Speaker 16: the Greens felt like they had to come out and

1201
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Speaker 16: say that their friends. I mean, everyone knows that they

1202
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 16: would work together on the left and that's not a

1203
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Speaker 16: surprise to anyone. And I do think there is risk.

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Speaker 16: I think just take the capital gains tax for instance.

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Speaker 16: Labour's going to campaign hard on what that they presented

1206
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 16: late last year is the boundaries of the capital gains

1207
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 16: tax are not going to touch anything else. But Chlos

1208
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Speaker 16: Warbrook has been very emphatic about the fact that that

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00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 16: caperal gains tax doesn't touch cut the mustard. They weren't

1210
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Speaker 16: massively expanded. They want inherit in tax considerably more taxing

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Speaker 16: of people. Is Labour going to be able to sort

1212
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 16: of hold the line in this cozy relationship, but there's

1213
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Speaker 16: not going to.

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Speaker 2: Be more tax and Craig, this is going to be

1215
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Speaker 2: your guys, biggest problem. Isn't it that at the moment,

1216
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: sure the Labor Party is outpolling the National Party because

1217
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: you guys are saying nothing. But the minute you go

1218
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 2: to the election and you start talking about your capital

1219
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: gains tax plus there where wealth text and all the

1220
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 2: other Texas, it's just your vote, she is just going

1221
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: to drop, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: I don't think there's been lots of talk about other taxes,

1223
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 24: but what I would say is that, isn't it nice

1224
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 24: to see two political parties that can actually work together.

1225
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 24: We've seen earlier this month David Seymour telling us that

1226
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 24: if he gets elected back into office, he's going to

1227
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 24: reopen the Treaty Principles build. We've got national promising assets

1228
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Speaker 24: sales and I'm not exactly sure how that's going to

1229
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Speaker 24: work with New Zealand first, that's implacably opposed to asset sales.

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Speaker 24: So it's really nice to see two political parties working together.

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Speaker 24: They've worked together in the past, obviously in twenty seventeen government,

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Speaker 24: so I don't think it's a particular problem, and I

1233
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 24: think actually fought for the public. It's really nice to

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00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 24: have the refreshing to able to see politicians say, yep,

1235
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 24: we're independent parties, but we have a shared goal, which

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 24: is a different form of government, and a government that's

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Speaker 24: actually going to work for New Zealanders rather than one

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00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 24: as Chloe said, that's actually not working for them right now.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll take a break. Can make to

1240
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: you shortly quarded.

1241
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Speaker 1: Too the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty the

1242
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: only truly global brand.

1243
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Speaker 2: Right you're beck to the had Old Craig Greeny and

1244
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: Bridget Morton. Craig, what do you make of the driver

1245
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Speaker 2: licensing changes.

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Speaker 24: It's a really interesting question because around the rest of

1247
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 24: the world, many other countries are actually making it more

1248
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 24: difficult to access a driver's license and tightening up rules.

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Speaker 24: But I think anything that encourages people to go out

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Speaker 24: get a driver's license, help them get a job, particularly

1251
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 24: in this labor market, will help. The key thing, of course,

1252
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 24: is making sure that we're maintaining safety on the roads.

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Speaker 24: It's still one of the leading causes of death and

1254
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Speaker 24: accidents in the country are our roads. And so we're

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Speaker 24: only making sure we're not doing anything that we might

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Speaker 24: regret later on just by simplifying the rules today.

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Speaker 2: Are we going to regret it? Bridget?

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Speaker 16: No, I don't think we are. And this is where

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00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 16: I agree with Craig that I think absolutely we need

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Speaker 16: to getting people into the system and getting into the

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Speaker 16: system younger, because we know that it's a key determinant

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Speaker 16: of whether or not they will have a license throughout

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Speaker 16: their lives. It's much harder together it's thirty five than

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Speaker 16: it is together at seventeen. So I think these changes

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01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 16: are really practical and I think they actually look very

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01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 16: carefully at actually that balance between safety and actually access

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Speaker 16: to licensing.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to go with you on this one first, Bridget,

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Speaker 2: because I reckon you'll have thought this one through may

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Speaker 2: Oh geez, I just made that sound terrible for Craig. Actually, sorry, Craig.

1271
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Speaker 2: That you'll have thought this one through more than Craig

1272
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: is basically what I was going to say. What do

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 2: you think of us being the seventh state of Australia.

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Speaker 16: Look, there's a flawed logics to what David is as

1275
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 16: pharaoh's proposing here, because he says we're too small to

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Speaker 16: have any impact or protect ourselves in this big, populous world.

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Speaker 16: So the thing to do is go and attack ourselves

1278
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 16: to this big populist country and be the tiny fish

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Speaker 16: within that instead. And so I don't really see how

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01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 16: we're going to be able to protect ourselves and give

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01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 16: ourselves more influenced by doing that. And frankly, army has to.

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: Come and protect us, doesn't it, Because well does it?

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Speaker 16: I mean, you look how big Australia is, and you

1284
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 16: look how far away we are from them geographically. Do

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01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 16: you think in a real time of crisis, the Army's

1286
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 16: going to choose to go up the Queensland coast or

1287
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 16: with going to come across the tasment to us. I

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 16: don't think it's going to guarantee that we are going

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Speaker 16: to be any more protected.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I liked, Craig, and as an economist you'll

1292
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: like this is that immediately we have been a purchasing

1293
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: power because we're on the Australian dollar.

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Speaker 24: David is a thoughtful man, but on this one I

1295
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 24: couldn't fundamentally disagree with him more. I'm proud to be

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Speaker 24: in New Zealander. I'm proud to be a New Zealand

1297
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 24: passport holder, and I would not want to see us

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Speaker 24: be the seventh state of Australia. The challenge actually is

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Speaker 24: when the Australian economy booms and our one doesn't. If

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01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 24: we were setting interest rates in Australia, they would be

1301
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 24: completely wrong for the New Zealand economy. If we were

1302
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 24: setting government spending in Australia depending upon what was happening

1303
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 24: in the Australian economy, again, it would be completely wrong

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Speaker 24: for New Zealand. It makes much more sense for us

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Speaker 24: to be an independent sovereign nation, in control of our

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Speaker 24: own control of our own economy, and in control of

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Speaker 24: our own currency. You say that, actually you know it

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Speaker 24: would improve our purchasing power. To me, all that tells

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Speaker 24: us is that if we get it right in New Zealand,

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Speaker 24: we can improve so much more from where we are now.

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Speaker 2: Are you not even vague, like you're not even remotely tempted,

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Speaker 2: Craig by being able to call yourself the finance minister

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Speaker 2: of the twelfth largest economy in the world.

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Speaker 24: I would be proud to be the MP for Wellington

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Speaker 24: bas and that's my goal at the next election.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, you got that down. Pet Purchse

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Speaker 2: honestly right, Okay, listen, thanks the pair of you. I

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Speaker 2: really appreciate you shooting down the idea of the day.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's Bridget Morton and Craig Grinny all this evening.

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Speaker 2: What a bum note. Nine away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Hither Duper c Allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my hard radio powered by News talk Z.

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Speaker 3: It be.

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Speaker 2: Update on the Reserve Bank of Australia raising the rates today.

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Speaker 2: They are now saying, this is Michelle Bullock, who's the

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Speaker 2: governor of the RBA, says consecutive rate rises are possible.

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Speaker 2: Good day for us to be talking to Paul Bloxam

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Speaker 2: of HSBC, who's going to be with us after half

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Speaker 2: past six. A statune for that six away from six

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Speaker 2: Hither I've got to love Chloe. She does an amazing

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Speaker 2: job of making bankrupt ideas sound appealing. She's she's very

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Speaker 2: good at talking. Hither when we join Australia, can we

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01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: swap Chloe for Pauline? Please? Lord, honestly you would if

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Speaker 2: Chloe heard you say that that would be the kind

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Speaker 2: of thing that would absolutely flip her out, Like that's

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing that would send you into a breakdown.

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Speaker 2: Are Chloe being swapped for a Pauline here? The Chloe's

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Speaker 2: and Lala Land, the Maori Party and the Greens. This

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01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: is a very good point. Actually, the Marori Party and

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Speaker 2: the Greens are all far left and any votes that

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Speaker 2: they get will only come from labor. The only way labor,

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Speaker 2: the only way the left get voted in, is for

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Speaker 2: labor to steal middle votes off the right, and those

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Speaker 2: people will never vote for anything with the Greens or

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Speaker 2: the Party. And it obviously the same is true of

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Speaker 2: the other way around. But it's such a good point.

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Speaker 2: As long as Chippy is standing there with Madama and

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Speaker 2: Chloe and the specter of the Greens like some sort

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01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 2: of evils Christmas spirit hanging about them, as long as

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Speaker 2: that is what is on offer, you're going to struggle

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Speaker 2: to take votes away from the right because the right's

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01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: not going to love that. Now, I've got an interesting

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Speaker 2: set of numbers refalling mortgage rates and what happened with

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Speaker 2: the mortgage rates across twenty twenty five last year. When

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Speaker 2: the mortgage rates were coming back. It freed up obviously,

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Speaker 2: freed up cash in a lot, not every household, but

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Speaker 2: in a lot of households, and the average household saw

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Speaker 2: a seventeen point three percent reduction and interest costs, thereby

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Speaker 2: giving them more money to spend.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: This has been released by Statistics New Zealand. Now, if

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Speaker 2: I am reading this right, which I think I am,

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Speaker 2: but I stand to be corrected, so tell me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. But if I'm reading this right, that seventeen

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Speaker 2: point three percent that people had reduced and therefore had

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Speaker 2: free cash was all gobbled up by rising costs elsewhere,

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01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 2: Rates and power and other costs went up and took

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Speaker 2: away all all that's seventeen point three percent plus then

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Speaker 2: added some moron so that the cost of living still

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Speaker 2: went up for people last year by about two point

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Speaker 2: two percent. So at least and we can say happily, yay,

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Speaker 2: the interest rates came back, but you wouldn't have felt

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Speaker 2: it because everything else went up. Now, when we were

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Speaker 2: talking to Sarah Chat, when I said to you earlier on,

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Speaker 2: I want to come back to this business about the

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Speaker 2: preschoolers not being ready to go to primary school. I've

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Speaker 2: got a theory on this this, I think what we're

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01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 2: talking about, we're talking about the kids who are going

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Speaker 2: to school without being able to hold a pencil and

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Speaker 2: without being a toilet trained and stuff. I think we're

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Speaker 2: talking about a really small group of kids who are

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Speaker 2: essentially neglected by their parents. Right, that is not my household,

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: it's not your house old blah blah blah. But I

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01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: think in general, I think there is a trend at

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01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,919
Speaker 2: the moment of all of us, including good parents, kind

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Speaker 2: of coddling our kids and expecting less in terms of standards.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you because I had I had some

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Speaker 2: people around the other day and the little my boy

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Speaker 2: who's coming up for he tipped out a basket of toys.

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01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: I said to him, Eggy boy, that's cool that you

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01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: do that, man, but you are going to pick up

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01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,959
Speaker 2: all those toys before you get your desert or whatever

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Speaker 2: it was. And I said an expectation, right, And immediately

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01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 2: they were like, hey, don't forget, he's only three. I

1395
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 2: was like, what, he's only three, but he's capable of

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01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 2: tipping the thing out. He can pick it up again.

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Speaker 2: I help him. But that's my expectation. I just wonder

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: if we are expecting less and lease of our kids,

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Speaker 2: all of us, the good parents and also the neglecting parents. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's just my thoughts. Deal with social media, next with mine.

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Speaker 3: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The business hour with head the duple Clent and MAS

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments.

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Speaker 3: Your future is in good hands. Used to upset me.

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Speaker 2: Evening. Coming up in the next hour Paul Bloxham of

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: HSBC on the Reserve Bank of Australia and the effect

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: on the exchange rate. This afternoon Jamie McKay will talk

1408
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: us through the strength and wool and end the Brady

1409
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: on all of the trouble with Peter Mandelson and Epstein.

1410
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: And it's a lot of trouble in the UK at

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01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: the moment. At seven past six now, Missa's global head

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Speaker 2: of Safety rickins we should consider other options instead of

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01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: doing the same as Australia and banning under sixteen year

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Speaker 2: olds from social media and Tigany Davis is in the

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Speaker 2: country in New Zealand for a safety conference. She was

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Speaker 2: on the My hosting breakfast this morning.

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Speaker 14: If you put parental approval, so anytime you download an app,

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Speaker 14: a team goes to download an app, a parent has

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Speaker 14: to say yes or no. In other words, you're starting

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01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 14: with a restriction around entering and you're basically saying Okay,

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 14: yes you can do this or no you can't. That's

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Speaker 14: a better way to do that across the entire Internet.

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Speaker 2: Stephen Sheila is the former CEO of Facebook Australia and

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and he's with US high Stephen Good definitely

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Speaker 2: do you agree with her that parental controls are preferable.

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Speaker 26: I think parental controls at the at the app store

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Speaker 26: level would be another good safety feature that should be

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Speaker 26: should be considered, and the platforms have been saying that

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Speaker 26: for a while. Their belief is it's too hard to

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Speaker 26: do this in the app itself. You should push it

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Speaker 26: back to the app stores, which are controlled by Apple

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Speaker 26: and Google, and have them kind of you know, making

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01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 26: sure that parents are certifying whether an app, any app,

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01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 26: winds up on a kid's phone. But as you can imagine,

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Speaker 26: that's that's part of a solution at making social media

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Speaker 26: and the Internet more safe. But it doesn't, you know,

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Speaker 26: it doesn't solve the problem of well, okay, what happens

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Speaker 26: when that individual that team gets on to social media.

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Speaker 26: You still want to have that side of the equation

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Speaker 26: safe as well. So I don't think it's a total solution,

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,919
Speaker 26: but I think it is another tool in the toolkit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me. Yep, the parental controls

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01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: are a great idea, don't they. They do already exist.

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Speaker 2: I'm not imagining the same.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 26: Anybody who's listening who's got kids and you are trying

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Speaker 26: to see what your kids are doing on social media,

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01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 26: you've all been in. Many of us have been in

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Speaker 26: and fiddled with the controls. The problem is at that

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01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 26: level it's confusing, right, your kids are on six or

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Speaker 26: seven different social media apps, the you know, the the

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01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 26: controls are usually set to your default on, not default off,

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Speaker 26: so you have to go and turn things off. It's

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Speaker 26: hard to figure out. And then you've got to your

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01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 26: kids can go and get around you and change it back,

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01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 26: and so at least a lot on parents they have

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 26: to try to figure out. And most many of us

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Speaker 26: aren't tech experts in the first place. So it does exist,

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Speaker 26: but it's still probably is too difficult for parents to

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Speaker 26: make sense of and really use in a.

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Speaker 2: Practical Okay, so tell me if I'm wrong here. It

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Speaker 2: seems to me that these things are useful, but as

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Speaker 2: you say, they already exist and we don't use them.

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Speaker 2: The default is actually that people don't use them. The

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Speaker 2: benefit of a social media ban, as opposed to this,

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01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 2: is that it creates the default setting of no, you're

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Speaker 2: not allowed to unleash your parent decides to break the rules,

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Speaker 2: and that actually gives parents a lot of power that

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Speaker 2: is really quite helpful to parents. Is that fair.

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Speaker 26: I think that's a good way of thinking about it.

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Speaker 26: In fact, it is this idea what's the default?

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Speaker 3: And I think what.

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Speaker 26: Meta is arguing is the default should be at the

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Speaker 26: parents should have the control the point of downloading an

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Speaker 26: app from an app store, and that's where the parents

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01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,799
Speaker 26: should say yes or no, rather than having the government

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01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 26: say no. But I think you can argue, you know,

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Speaker 26: reasonable people can disagree as to where that point should be.

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Speaker 26: But I think it is all about giving parents more

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Speaker 26: control and making it simpler for parents to be able

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Speaker 26: to handle, you know, the fire hose of stuff that's

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Speaker 26: coming at them from social media.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we are what it's coming up. Actually, a

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Speaker 2: couple of months since the Australians banned the kids from

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Speaker 2: getting on the social media is would you would you

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Speaker 2: describe it as a success?

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Speaker 26: Look, I've seen you'll we have to be careful, right,

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 26: it's early days. Yeah, it takes time to change human behavior.

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01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 26: And this is you know, you've got a whole literally

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Speaker 26: millions of kids suddenly having something taken away from them.

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01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 26: Those kids are trying to get around it now, right,

1493
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 26: that's a lot of what's happening, and it will take

1494
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 26: time for this to become the new normal. And so

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 26: I think really the judge success or failure, you've got

1496
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 26: to look for, you know, a year or two into

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01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 26: the cycle to see where it lands. So that's why

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 26: it's it's really hard to say. I think both sides

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 26: are all sides here. I think there's more than just

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Speaker 26: two sides. There's parents and kids as well. They all

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 26: have opinions, and there's bits of data. But I think

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01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 26: it's too early to say.

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any compliance data data, which I think

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01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 2: is probably a key to it. Have you seen any

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 2: of it out yet?

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01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 26: I haven't seen.

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01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: No, I haven't seen any, So I don't have to

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01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 2: wait for that.

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01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 26: I'm still I think we still have to wait for

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01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 26: better data to able to assess this.

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 2: And Stephen one final question the fact that we've got

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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: Antigony Davis going around the world making the case for

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01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 2: anything other than a band suggests to me that Meta

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01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: is reasonably worried about this idea catching on. What do

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Speaker 2: you think, Well.

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01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 26: Yeah, I think they are worried, and look, it's good.

1517
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 26: I don't know Antike any Personally, I think it's good

1518
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 26: to see Meta have people out in the market. I

1519
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 26: haven't seen that a lot, to be honest with you,

1520
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 26: that they're out. They've got people out there talking to

1521
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 26: the media more actively.

1522
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 4: I think.

1523
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 26: Personally, I think it was a mistake that they didn't

1524
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 26: do that, but they tried to lobby government, they made pronouncements,

1525
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 26: but they really didn't have the face of the company

1526
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 26: out there talking. And I thought she made she made

1527
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 26: some good points and made some good case. But I

1528
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 26: think it is showing that yes, there is Naturally they're

1529
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 26: going to be worried. They're worried that a big chunk

1530
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 26: of their business is going to be restricted, and indeed

1531
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 26: it already has been in Australia, and this just puts

1532
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 26: more sand than the wheels of them trying to run

1533
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 26: their business.

1534
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you very much. Steven has always appreciated

1535
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: talking to you. Stephen Sheila, the former Facebook Australia New

1536
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 2: Zealand CEO. It's thirteen past six. The New Zealand dollar

1537
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 2: has fallen this afternoon against the Aussie after the Reserve

1538
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 2: Bank of Australia hiked the rate, so the key we

1539
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: was trading at eighty six point three six Australian cents

1540
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 2: ahead of that decision at five o'clock this afternoon, when

1541
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: the market's closed trading at eighty five point eighty four.

1542
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 2: It is now hovering around a ten year low. The

1543
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: cash rate in Australia is now sitting at one hundred

1544
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: and sixty basis points above New Zealand's official cash rate,

1545
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 2: which is significant. There is now talk because of course

1546
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: the next move for us most likely will be up,

1547
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 2: although there will be a lot of We're expecting a

1548
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of pauses before we go up. However,

1549
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 2: there is now talk of whether the Reserve Bank in

1550
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 2: New Zealand is going to start looking at maybe a

1551
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: hike earlier than expected, and just a bit of always

1552
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: be like, are they going to think about it when

1553
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: they go to reconsider it in about two weeks? Probably not.

1554
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 2: Probably people just getting a bit excited, but you know

1555
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 2: it talks there now fourteen past six, it's the.

1556
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Heart Radio, empowered.

1557
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 3: By Newstalks EBB. Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1558
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour with maths,

1559
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Your futures in good Hands, News Talks EDB.

1560
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: Hither if you've had a chance to read this book,

1561
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 2: you would not trust me to to do anything other

1562
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: than doing the things in the interest of the investors

1563
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 2: and the egos are careless people. A story of where

1564
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: I used to that's by Sarah win Williams. I actually

1565
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: have been meaning to read that, so thank you for

1566
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: reminding me, and I'll put that on the list. I've

1567
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: got somebody gave me a book about AI. The other

1568
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: hours we're going to get through that. Plus I've.

1569
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:11,839
Speaker 13: Plus.

1570
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: One of my Christmas presents was a book Surrounded by Idiots,

1571
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 2: which I'm just starting to read, not looking at anybody

1572
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 2: in particular. But when I got it, I thought, h.

1573
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 20: This is a fantasy book, right, my escape. As for

1574
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 20: far Away from your real life.

1575
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: Well, it's called something like surrounded by idiots, how to

1576
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 2: learn to deal better with people? And I was like,

1577
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 2: is my friend saying that all of my co workers

1578
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: are idiots? Or that I don't know how to work

1579
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: with people? Probably could be one of the I mean

1580
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 2: I think we both were. Probably we've all reached a

1581
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: conclusion very quickly on which which one we think it

1582
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: is all that, you know, how it goes with these books.

1583
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: I have to work my way through and then I'll

1584
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: get to Sarah w and Williams's book. So thanks for

1585
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 2: the recommendation. Eighteen past six.

1586
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 3: The Rural Report on hither due Alan Drive.

1587
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,480
Speaker 2: Jamie mckaye, host of the is with me. Hello Jamie.

1588
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 21: I hope you're not thinking I'm an idiot surrounding you

1589
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,440
Speaker 21: at a quarter past six on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

1590
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 27: Ever, No, not at.

1591
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: All, never, and it'll be thank you. Of course You'll

1592
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 2: be thinking, though you could do with reading that book,

1593
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 2: Heather and I shall. Okay, So we've got a GDT

1594
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 2: auction tonight. What are we expecting?

1595
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 17: Ah?

1596
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 21: Well, the talk's really positive and another lift of two

1597
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 21: percent expected. Just to give you a background around this

1598
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 21: one to go back in history just half a year

1599
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 21: even we rounded out twenty twenty five with nine consecutive falls.

1600
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 21: If we hadn't got a positive auction to kick off

1601
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 21: twenty twenty six, who would have broken the old record

1602
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 21: of ten consecutive falls. So that went back to mid

1603
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 21: August twenty twenty five. But we've already had two auctions

1604
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 21: in January, up six point three percent for the first one,

1605
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 21: one point five percent for the second one. Now, Fonterra,

1606
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 21: as a result of what happened at the end of

1607
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 21: last year, on December the eighteenth, they dropped their midpoint

1608
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 21: forecast milk price to nine dollars. Now, if we get

1609
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 21: another positive GDT auction tonight, and the futures market is

1610
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 21: suggesting we will, the question is whether Fonterra might be

1611
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 21: tempted to lift that forecast milk price. I'm not saying

1612
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 21: they will, but certainly there's a lot underpinning it now

1613
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 21: at these current levels. Incidentally, Open Country Dairy the second

1614
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 21: biggest dairy company in this country. I was speaking to

1615
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 21: their chief executive today. They're saying they're weighted average for

1616
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 21: the season we're in at the moment is nine dollars thirty. Now,

1617
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 21: the other interesting number to come out of this is

1618
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 21: the twenty six twenty seven, which is the dairy season

1619
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 21: that would start on the first of June this year

1620
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 21: and go into next year at Christmas time. After nine

1621
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 21: falls in a row, the futures had dropped to eight

1622
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 21: dollars and five cents. They're now back up at nine dollars.

1623
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 21: So this is very positive for the dairy industry here

1624
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 21: at Heather.

1625
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: And can I stay on this theme of positivity because

1626
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: apparently there's a bit of strength and wool as well well.

1627
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 21: There is a bit of strength in wall. The strong

1628
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 21: wool indicator is up fourteen cents last week's South Island

1629
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 21: Wall auction. It's above the five dollar clean mark. Still

1630
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 21: not as good as it was in the nineteen eighties,

1631
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 21: but considering only very recently it was costing farmers money

1632
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,919
Speaker 21: to share their sheep. I they would pay the sharers,

1633
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 21: bail it up, chuck it on a truck, pay the transport,

1634
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 21: send it to auction, and they would still not get

1635
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 21: enough to cover their cost. So this is a really

1636
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 21: good story. Still got a long way to go, but

1637
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 21: it's certainly improving. And just remember the dollar and I

1638
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 21: know that you've discussed this one on your show. With

1639
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 21: some of your financial correspondents. We're starting to spike upwards

1640
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 21: against the greenback. We're currently trading when I had a

1641
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 21: loss afternoon at about US sixty cents. So this is

1642
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 21: good and the commentators are saying this is a new

1643
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 21: normal for Wall as opposed to a term spike. China

1644
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 21: is continuing to underpin the market. But this competitiveness from

1645
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 21: other countries and regions around the world because there's just

1646
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 21: not enough Wall coming off because of the falling sheep

1647
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 21: numbers declining. Sheep numbers around the world. United Kingdom, for instance,

1648
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 21: are getting into it India and we're going to benefit

1649
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 21: there with this free trade agreement as long as labor

1650
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 21: votes for it, they're into it as well. United States

1651
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 21: also sheep numbers declining right around the country. And this

1652
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 21: is off the back of PGG rights and the saying

1653
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 21: the new selling system which gets under ways shortly so

1654
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 21: there used to be sales and Napier and christ Church

1655
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 21: effectively every second week. They're going to consolidate the whole

1656
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 21: lot in christ Church. Now, just one more thing to go.

1657
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 21: I want to throw the track to number out for

1658
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 21: the UK. You might have time for this. Our tractor

1659
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 21: sales have gone up by ten percent. That's good. It's

1660
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 21: a barometer of the health of the rural economy in

1661
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,440
Speaker 21: the UK. Here the wait for this track. The registrations

1662
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 21: have fallen to their lowest level on record in twenty

1663
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 21: twenty five and now are at their lowest since before

1664
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 21: the Second World War. Sekia Starmer and his labor government

1665
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 21: are killing farming over there, particularly around there inheritance tax policy.

1666
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: Yes, that's quite an indicator, isn't it. Hey, Jamie, Thank

1667
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: you as always Jamie McKay, Host of the Country.

1668
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 4: Now.

1669
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: Yesterday I was getting myself quite worked up about some

1670
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: of the outfits at the Grammys. I'm happy to tell

1671
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: you Apparently Chapel Rohan's dress at the Grammy's yesterday was

1672
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: not as risque as I first thought. Those were not

1673
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: her real nipples on display with the nipple rings with

1674
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 2: the dress going through it. Apparently they were prosthetics, according

1675
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 2: to her stylist, who's asked us all to calm down.

1676
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: So what we can say now was not risque, but

1677
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 2: still ugly.

1678
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: Six twenty three, whether it's macro, micro or just plain

1679
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: economics fall on the Business hour.

1680
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 3: We're the head the DUP SILA and MAS insurance and investments,

1681
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: your futures in good hands. News talks heavy.

1682
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 2: Before we get to end, I just want to run

1683
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 2: you through some of the stuff that we're getting out

1684
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,560
Speaker 2: of the UK. So it appears that Jeffrey Epstein, this

1685
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: is according this is of course the Epstein files. Appears

1686
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein may have had a baby boy. And we

1687
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: know this, and this is around about twenty eleven round

1688
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 2: a boy'd be about for like late teens, now fifteen

1689
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 2: sixteen or something like that, because Sarah Ferguson sent him

1690
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: an email basically congratulating him on the birth of the

1691
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: baby boy. When you read Fergie's emails, I mean she

1692
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: must be mortified. Although she's been through arguably worse, her

1693
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: whole life is a track record of being mortified, I

1694
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: would imagine, but she reading her emails, you come to

1695
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 2: the conclusion that she is quite the emotional cootcase and

1696
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: very needy. She emails him at one stage saying have

1697
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: you died on me? Don't please? You are my pillar,

1698
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,759
Speaker 2: and then she emails him and says you are a legend.

1699
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 2: I really don't have the words to describe my love

1700
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 2: and my gratitude your generosity and kindness x x, I

1701
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 2: am at your service. Just marry me. And then she

1702
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 2: emails him, and this is the one where she really does,

1703
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: like seem quite nuty. She emails him and this is

1704
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: where she congratulates them, says, even though you've never kept

1705
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: in touch, I am still here with a love, friendship

1706
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 2: and congratulations on your baby boy, Sarah xx. And then

1707
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: she sends the email. And then eight minutes later she goes, no,

1708
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 2: bugger it, and she emails them, you have disappeared. I

1709
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: did not even know you were having a baby. It

1710
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 2: was soon Crystal clears to me that you were only

1711
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 2: friends with me to get to Andrew, and that really

1712
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: hurt me deeply, more than you will ever know. Oh girl,

1713
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 2: calm down. Somebody needs to take her phone off her.

1714
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 2: Six twenty seven, there's low business like show business. Kim

1715
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: Kardashian has jetted off to the Cockswalls with three bodyguards,

1716
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 2: but because she's going to spend time with her new boyfriend,

1717
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton. I know they were spotted meeting at a

1718
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: manor for a few days of couples massages and romantic meals,

1719
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 2: and countless fans online have pointed out that this is

1720
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: weird because Lewis was involved with her little sister Kendall

1721
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 2: not that long ago. But commentators are most concerned about

1722
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: what the relationship will do to his chances of an

1723
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: eighth title.

1724
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 11: A minute of silence for Hamilton, He's completely finished.

1725
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: Now because there is the Kardashian curse, the theory that every

1726
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 2: man who gets involved with the Kardashians suffers a fool

1727
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 2: from grace. I thought it was going to be Ferrari's year,

1728
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 2: and we are back another year of Ferrari depression. I

1729
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 2: guess now I'm not gonna lie to you. We're scraping

1730
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 2: the bottom of the barrel telling you about the Kardashians.

1731
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: But the justification is that it's got something to do

1732
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,440
Speaker 2: with Lewis Hamilton, who's an actual athlete. So it's okay,

1733
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 2: and the question is can Lewis keep up with the Kardashians.

1734
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: You're welcome, Peter the four blocks, and next I turned

1735
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: the pain around your ass. Keep complain.

1736
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour

1737
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: with Header duper cl and mas insurance and investments, your

1738
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: futures in good hands, used talks.

1739
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 6: I'd be we could be last last, all right.

1740
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: So here's a little bit more from what's going on

1741
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 2: in the UK. Peter Mandelson is now facing a possible

1742
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: police investigation because he's been busted through the Epstein files

1743
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: leaking stuff. Now, he was leaking stuff to Jeffrey Epstein

1744
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: while he was the Business Secretary under Gordon Brown, and

1745
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 2: it was during the height of the financial crisis, and

1746
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 2: it was pretty significant stuff. There was a confidential UK

1747
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 2: government document outlining twenty billion pounds in asset sales. There

1748
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 2: was a bailout package for the EU of the day

1749
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: before it was announced in twenty ten, and so on.

1750
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 2: Enda Brady will talk us through the ramifications for Peter

1751
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: Mandelsson and whether he'll be the cops will be looking

1752
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: into him, and he will be with us in about

1753
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: ten minutes time or so. It's twenty four away from seven.

1754
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 4: Now.

1755
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: Australia, the cash rate has gone up for the first

1756
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 2: time in more than two years.

1757
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 20: There.

1758
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: Its Reserve Bank has raised it by twenty five basis points.

1759
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 2: It's now sitting at three point eight five percent. So

1760
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 2: HSBC's chief economist Paul Bloxham is with us on this high. Paul, good,

1761
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 2: do you think they've made the right call.

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01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 9: I think they needed to lift interest rates today. I

1763
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 9: don't think there were any options. Inflation is above where

1764
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 9: the Reserve Bank can handle it. It's well above their target.

1765
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 9: Growth is in an upswing. We're operating at full capacity.

1766
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 9: The only thing that was going to get inflation or

1767
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 9: is going to get inflation to head back towards the

1768
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 9: RBA's target is going to be is tied a monetary policy.

1769
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 9: So I don't think they really had any choice today.

1770
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 9: I think they had to lift the policy rate.

1771
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 2: There is I mean, I mean it seems to be

1772
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 2: a minority view, but there is a view amongst some

1773
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 2: economists that the inflation rises a blip and the forces

1774
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 2: that are driving it are unwinding all by themselves. You

1775
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 2: got the electricity prices going get the dollars high, so

1776
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 2: the imported goods are cheaper and so on. Does that

1777
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: have any credibility? Will hold any water with you?

1778
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 9: I think we've had two consecutive quarters now of the

1779
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,840
Speaker 9: key underlying measure, the trim mean which the RBA focuses on,

1780
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 9: that have been high prints. So we got a three

1781
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 9: thirty print that was at one percent in the quarter,

1782
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 9: and then a fourth quarter print that turned out to

1783
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 9: zero point nine and the year year eight is year

1784
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 9: on year rate is running.

1785
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 4: At three point four. The RBA targets two to three percent.

1786
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 9: So we've had six months, two consecutive quarters of you know,

1787
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 9: well above target inflation. I think the RBA didn't have

1788
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 9: any choice, and I think it's not just the only story.

1789
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 9: As I said, it's that the labor market, the jobs

1790
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 9: market's actually quite tight, the unemployment rate's quite low, and

1791
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 9: growth in an upswing as well. I think the RBA

1792
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 9: needed to lift rates today and they have. They've lifted

1793
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 9: the policy rate with the intention of slowing the economy

1794
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 9: down to get inflation to head back to target.

1795
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: Ohka, let me read this line to you. That the

1796
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: Reserve Bank Australia has been forced to lift rates to

1797
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 2: try to tame inflation in an economy growing only modestly

1798
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 2: should worry households, politicians and investors. What do you think

1799
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 2: of that?

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Speaker 9: I absolutely agree with that that we are in a

1801
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 9: situation where we haven't we've only had a modest growth

1802
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 9: up swing, and it's delivered to pick up an inflation

1803
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 9: that's excessive. And what that means is demand in the

1804
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 9: economy is already racing ahead of supply, not because demand

1805
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 9: is strong. It's not the economy is in a strong upswing.

1806
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 9: It's that the apply side of the economy is weak.

1807
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 9: It's the productivity growth has been persistently weak, and that's

1808
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 9: left us with an economy which has got a lower

1809
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 9: speed limit than it's had in the past. You know,

1810
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 9: the RBA's assessment is that the speed limit for growing

1811
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 9: the Australian economy now is two percent. We think it's

1812
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 9: probably a little bit below two percent, and that's not

1813
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 9: a great outcome that that's the pace of growth, that's

1814
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 9: the maximum pace of growth in the economy before that

1815
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 9: we can have before it starts to.

1816
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 4: Deliver excessive inflation.

1817
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 9: So it doesn't change the fact that the RBA has

1818
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,600
Speaker 9: to try to sort of manage demand to grow in

1819
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 9: line with that sort of weaker supply side. What it

1820
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 9: should do is remind us all that actually the imperative,

1821
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 9: the focus, the policy focus needs to be on doing

1822
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 9: things reform that can lift productivity. So all of the

1823
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 9: sort of pro growth reforms we talk about all the time,

1824
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 9: tax reform, deregulation, looking at the competition, competition in the economy,

1825
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 9: looking at the industry relation system. These are all the

1826
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 9: things that we can do to try to get the

1827
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 9: economy to be able to grow a bit faster so

1828
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 9: the pie can roll a bit faster. But the RBA

1829
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 9: didn't have any option today because, as I said, even

1830
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 9: a modest upswinging growth has generated excessive inflation, and so

1831
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 9: the RBA has got to get that inflation heading back

1832
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 9: to target.

1833
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 2: Okay, so Michelle Bullock was talking today about consecutive rate rises,

1834
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 2: what are you pecking?

1835
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 9: I think the RBA is going to have to deliver

1836
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 9: another tightening, yet I don't think it's going to happen

1837
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 9: necessarily at the next meeting.

1838
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 3: I think the RBA is going.

1839
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:23,959
Speaker 4: To be quite cautious.

1840
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 9: She did talk about that as well, about the fact

1841
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 9: that the board's going to want to be quite cautious.

1842
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,240
Speaker 9: I think they're going to want to have a bit

1843
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,839
Speaker 9: of time to judge how much impact this tightening has delivered,

1844
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 9: because in some ways, the whole story's.

1845
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 4: Turned around really quickly.

1846
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, back in October last year, we

1847
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 9: were all thinking, well, the market was expecting rate cuts

1848
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 9: and we were in an easing phase, and of course

1849
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 9: now we're in February and we've lifted rates. So I

1850
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,600
Speaker 9: think it's going to take a bit of time to

1851
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,839
Speaker 9: see how much impact this tightening delivers into the economy,

1852
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 9: and I think they're going to want to be cautious,

1853
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 9: so I think they'll draw it out. But I do

1854
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 9: think we'll get to later in the year and I'll

1855
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 9: probably have to deliver a bit more tightening to get

1856
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 9: inflation to come back to target.

1857
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 2: Paul I saw somebody was writing in one of the

1858
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 2: New Zealand media I think about to be a business

1859
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: desk over here saying well, you know, does call into

1860
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 2: question now whether our Reserve Bank is going to think, geez,

1861
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: we better start doing it as well and potentially look

1862
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 2: at lifting in a couple of weeks time. Are they

1863
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 2: on the money or getting ahead of their skis on that?

1864
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 4: I think that the story is very different in New Zealand.

1865
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 9: You've had a much bigger cycle. You've had a much

1866
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 9: bigger downturn in the face of the interest rate rises

1867
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 9: that were larger earlier on, and that's been sustained and

1868
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 9: now you're in this upswing. Inflation is starting to rise

1869
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 9: as well. I think the core measures are starting to

1870
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 9: rise and I do think the ARBANZ is going to

1871
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 9: have to lift interest rates, but I don't think it's

1872
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 9: going to come quite as soon as that. Now we've

1873
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,840
Speaker 9: got in mind that we'll see the arban Z starting

1874
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 9: to lift interest rates in the second half of this year.

1875
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 9: We think that the rate hikes will start in the

1876
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 9: third quarter. But if you take a global perspective, that

1877
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 9: means that both Australia and New Zealand will be pretty

1878
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 9: early will be the first two G ten central to

1879
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 9: be lifting rights, aside from Japan, which is a very

1880
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 9: sort of different story.

1881
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually a very good point. And Paul as

1882
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 2: always lovely to chat to you. Thank you so much mate,

1883
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 2: look after yourself. Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economist. It's eighteen

1884
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: away from.

1885
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 3: Seven together do for CLA.

1886
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Now, there's a really good point that's been made by

1887
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: somebody who's but nutty about support. This is Jamie Wall

1888
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 2: and Jamie's worth following on sport. He's about the point

1889
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: that the changed rules for super rugby that I was

1890
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: telling you about yes that they have a problem in

1891
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: that they're only for super rugby, which is what I

1892
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 2: was telling you yesterday. But Jamie says once July rolls around,

1893
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 2: those changes don't apply for test matches, and the effects

1894
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: of that may well be playing a part in why

1895
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: the All Blacks have struggled in the last few seasons

1896
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 2: playing under one set of rules and Super Rugby then

1897
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 2: switching to a different set of rules under test. Now,

1898
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 2: he's not saying that the All Blacks are too stupid

1899
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,719
Speaker 2: to handle playing under one ceter rules and then switch,

1900
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,599
Speaker 2: you know, and start playing under another ceter of rules.

1901
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 2: The problem is actually that in Super Rugby they are

1902
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 2: playing a much faster game with a whole lot less kicking,

1903
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: which means that they are not used to all of

1904
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 2: the repetitions that foreign counterparts are used to. The average

1905
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: back three player won't have had to feel anywhere near

1906
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,920
Speaker 2: as many bombs, track across the field chasing kicks, or

1907
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 2: simply position themselves on field as an English or South

1908
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 2: African of the same age. Meanwhile, the Props won't have

1909
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 2: as many scrums, halfbacks won't box kickers often, and so on,

1910
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 2: Which is an interesting point to make, right because it's

1911
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 2: it's definitely we are definitely doing it better than the

1912
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 2: rest of the world in that our game is faster,

1913
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 2: but if the rest of the world isn't doing it,

1914
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 2: we are doing a better thing here to get like,

1915
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,120
Speaker 2: the rules are better here, the game is better here

1916
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 2: to attract as many eyeballs as possible. But then we

1917
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 2: lose tests because we're not playing the same as everybody else.

1918
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 2: So that's a thing worth thinking about. So the faster

1919
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 2: that Robbo Rugby Chief gets world rugby to switch to

1920
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 2: our way of doing things, the better and we're off

1921
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 2: to Endebrady next seventeen away from seven.

1922
01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 3: Ever's to do with money? It matters to you?

1923
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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas Insurance

1924
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Speaker 1: and investments, your futures in good Heads News talk, Zibby Heither.

1925
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Speaker 2: I'm Jamie talking about the price of strong wool going

1926
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 2: up before a war, the price of wool goes up.

1927
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 2: This is in history, look at the nineteen fifties. Graham,

1928
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Speaker 2: thank you, fourteen away from seven and Inde Brady ow

1929
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Speaker 2: UK correspondence with that's hallo Ininda.

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Speaker 3: Heather greatly back. How are you right?

1931
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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you mate. Now how much trouble

1932
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Speaker 2: is Peter Mandelssohn.

1933
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Speaker 3: A lot?

1934
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Speaker 27: So the police are now involved in this and this

1935
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 27: is all courtesy of a long standing friendship with mister

1936
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 27: Jeffrey Epstein. So Friday night, that big dump of three

1937
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Speaker 27: million documents and files was released. It has taken a

1938
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Speaker 27: few days for the dust to settle and for journalists

1939
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Speaker 27: to pick through. What's interesting, and what's very interesting is

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Speaker 27: that back in June two thousand and nine, Mandelssohn was

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Speaker 27: Business Secretary in the Labor Party in Gordon Brown's government,

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Speaker 27: and there is an allegation now that he was regularly

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Speaker 27: routinely sending government emails from Bins to Epstein in America,

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Speaker 27: highly tensiveenstive information. The inference people are drawing from it

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Speaker 27: is that Epstein had a lot of very wealthy clients

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Speaker 27: that kind of information real time thinking of the UK

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Speaker 27: government in London, what they were planning, assets, they were

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Speaker 27: planning to sell off, everything that was going on inside

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Speaker 27: Gordon Brown's inner circle. That Mandlssoon was allegedly taking all

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Speaker 27: of this firing it off to Epstein, and Epstein was

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Speaker 27: making millions off the back of it. Mandelsson basically is

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Speaker 27: toast now his political career has ended in ruins. He

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Speaker 27: is Lord Mandelssh But Kirs Starmer now wants to kick

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Speaker 27: him out of the House of Lords as well.

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Speaker 2: Is it rich for Kis Starmer to suddenly want to

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Speaker 2: kick him out of the House of Lords when Stammer

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Speaker 2: actually had plenty of warning before he appointed him as

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Speaker 2: the ambassador that this guy was potentially trouble and he

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Speaker 2: just went to hit with it.

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Speaker 27: Anyway, I think Starmer wanted someone who could handle Trump's administration,

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Speaker 27: and Mandlsson has. He's a big political beast. You know,

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Speaker 27: he rebuilt the Labor Party. Tony Blair would not have

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Speaker 27: got into power had it not been for Peter Mandleson

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Speaker 27: reforming Labor and turning it into new Labor. So there

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Speaker 27: were three people involved in that. You've got Tony Blair

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Speaker 27: who basically got a decade in Downing Street out of it,

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Speaker 27: Gordon Brown who picked up the slack and got two

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Speaker 27: years in power, and Mandalshon was the power behind the

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Speaker 27: throne if you like.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 27: I think Keir Starmer bowed to Mandelssohn's charm and schmoozing

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Speaker 27: abilities and the fact that he knew Trump and had

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Speaker 27: a relationship with him. So people will question Starmer's judgment,

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Speaker 27: but ultimately the person in the wrong here really looks

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Speaker 27: to be mandleson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. So now what about Fugie, because she

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Speaker 2: comes out of this looking terrible as well, doesn't she.

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Speaker 27: Well, I think Prince Andrew must be taking a breather

1979
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Speaker 27: today looking at the front pages and thinking, Wow, they're

1980
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Speaker 27: not posting any more pictures of me on top of

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Speaker 27: young girls. So we have Sarah Ferguson.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 27: It appears she was emailing Epstein as soon as he

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Speaker 27: got out of Pretty, and not only was she going

1985
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Speaker 27: for lunch, she appears to have taken their daughters, Beatrice

1986
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Speaker 27: and Eugenie, who were teenage girls at the time, for

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Speaker 27: lunch with Epstein. So there was a huge number of

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Speaker 27: emails backwards and forwards between Sarah Ferguson and Epstein. She

1989
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Speaker 27: refers to him as you know. She at one point

1990
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Speaker 27: says marry me in an email, and then there's another

1991
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Speaker 27: email which is just so cringey. She writes to him

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Speaker 27: and says that her landlord is asking for twenty thousand

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Speaker 27: pounds in rent. Any ideas or suggestions, basically just saying

1994
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Speaker 27: can you give me forty thousand dollars please? You know,

1995
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Speaker 27: it's just cringey. She seems to have been trying to

1996
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Speaker 27: use him as a bank machine in ATM and I

1997
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Speaker 27: think he was using her. He absolutely went through her

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Speaker 27: to get to Andrew and the Royal family.

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Speaker 2: Oh very much looks like that. Now, what's the business

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Speaker 2: with the guest stations, the motorway guest stations.

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Speaker 27: Well, at long last the government are taking some action

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Speaker 27: on this, not far enough in my view. So the

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Speaker 27: situation we have here, you drive anywhere in Britain on

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Speaker 27: a motorway and you go into a service station petrol station,

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Speaker 27: it's a leater more than what it would be in

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Speaker 27: the supermarkets or your local village petrol station for example

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Speaker 27: where I live. So that mounts up if you're doing

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Speaker 27: a lot of driving. The government, instead of saying to

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Speaker 27: these service station the big big names that you can't

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Speaker 27: be profit off the back of someone you know, perhaps

2011
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Speaker 27: not that experience driving motorways and running out of fuel,

2012
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Speaker 27: they are ripping people off. What the government are doing

2013
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Speaker 27: now is they're going to make it the law so

2014
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Speaker 27: that the big service station providers on the motorways will

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Speaker 27: have to publish in advance on a website the cost

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Speaker 27: per liter of their diesel and unleaded and everything else.

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Speaker 27: But I don't think that they've gone far enough. Honestly, Heather,

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Speaker 27: I think they need to make it so that you

2019
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Speaker 27: know what a supermarket is charging, and a supermarkets clearly

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Speaker 27: making profit as well what they're charging. That's what the

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Speaker 27: service stations should be allowed.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Hey Da, always good to talk to. Talk to

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Speaker 2: you in a couple of days into Brady are UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Grant is mentioned on the text. They've

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Speaker 2: only released half of the Epstein files and it appears

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Speaker 2: they're refusing to release the rest. And I'll have their

2028
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Speaker 2: reasons for it, but I'll tell you what. If there's

2029
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Speaker 2: one thing that you've learned all the way through this

2030
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Speaker 2: is every time they don't release it, there's just pressure

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Speaker 2: until they release it. So you wonder why they don't

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Speaker 2: just get on with it and do it. Nine Away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Too per se allan Drive full show

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not quite done with the Grammys yet. The

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Speaker 2: Grammys were an event yesterday, weren't they'd six away from seven,

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Speaker 2: By the way, and Trevor Noah at the Grammys, he

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Speaker 2: was obviously the dude who was running the whole outfit.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Boah at at the Grammys, took this dig at

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 15: That is a Grammy that every artist wants, almost as

2043
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Speaker 15: much as Trump wants Greenland, which makes sense. I mean,

2044
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Speaker 15: because Epstein's Island has gone. He needs a new one

2045
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Speaker 15: to hang out with Bill Clinton. So oh, I told

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Speaker 15: you it's my last year. What are you going to

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Speaker 15: do about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, someone's going to do something about it. That person

2049
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Speaker 2: is Donald Trump, who was threatening to sue Trevoroah for

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Speaker 2: it because he says he went on truth social and

2051
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Speaker 2: he says, I can't speak for Bill, but I have

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Speaker 2: never been to Epstein Island or anywhere close, and until

2053
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Speaker 2: tonight's false and defamatory statement, I have never been accused

2054
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Speaker 2: of being there, not even by the fake news media.

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Speaker 2: It looks like I'll be sending my lawyers to sue

2056
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Speaker 2: this poor, pathetic, talentless dope of an MC suing him

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Speaker 2: for plenty dollars. Now. I said plenty dollars because plenty

2058
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 2: and the dollar sign have become one word, plenty dollar

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Speaker 2: full stop. So anyway that's happening.

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Speaker 20: The Triple, we know how much it's going to be.

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Speaker 20: It's going to be a billion dollars. Remember he always

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Speaker 20: does it for a billion dollars, every single one of

2063
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Speaker 20: these lawsuits. It's always after a billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's like, what's the character in in you know, Austin

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Speaker 2: Powers and a million exactly, It's like that, but the

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Speaker 2: real life version is Donald Trump and it's a billion.

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Speaker 20: Yes, some might say. The resemblances don't stop there either.

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Speaker 20: Boy with Love by BTS and Halsey to play us

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Speaker 20: out tonight. BTS were a big K pop band a

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Speaker 20: while ago, and we're getting hits that were so such

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Speaker 20: big hits outside Korea. They were even making it into

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Speaker 20: our chart. And then they all had to go and

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Speaker 20: do their two years of compulsory military service because they're

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Speaker 20: all Koreans, but the military services all over and so

2075
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Speaker 20: now they're all ready to reunite. They're going to be

2076
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Speaker 20: doing a big comeback reunion show. You'll be able to

2077
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Speaker 20: watch it on Netflix if you want to. It'll be

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Speaker 20: on March the twenty first. It'll be at about midnight

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Speaker 20: our times, so you'll have to stay out the midnight

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Speaker 20: March twenty sevens you have to stay out late. But yeah,

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Speaker 20: BTS is back, so we'll probably expect to hear a

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Speaker 20: lot more from them this year.

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Speaker 12: Midnight, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody.

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Speaker 20: Stay up till midnight to watch Korean pop music. Yeah,

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Speaker 20: I'm sure there'll be people in.

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Speaker 2: There will be a lot of people in music.

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Speaker 20: I'm not going to be one of them though.

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Speaker 2: Right it's not going to be me because I have children,

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Speaker 2: and then they're not going to be answer because it's

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Speaker 2: not like. It doesn't sound like a heart attack happening,

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Speaker 2: which is a good ants likes to listen to anyway.

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Speaker 2: Good Luck to be tears, We will see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 11: work but not for the night?

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Speaker 3: Not that met?

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Speaker 27: And now you don't and.

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