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Speaker 2: We're talking about the ruck system. Should it be rolled

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Speaker 2: out to all vehicles? The government is looking deeply at this.

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Speaker 2: They are asking for feedback from businesses offering services that

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Speaker 2: support purchase measuremental management of road user charges. To chat

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Speaker 2: about this, we're joined by Martin Glenn. He's the policy

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Speaker 2: director at a get A. Martin, what's the.

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Speaker 3: AA's view on road user charter charges? On like the

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Speaker 3: light vehicle fleet, You think it's a good or a

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Speaker 3: bad thing?

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Speaker 4: You know, I always think it's going to happen. It's

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Speaker 4: it's just a question of power, lol. Mainly because when

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Speaker 4: petrol tests came in, generally the average cart used are

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Speaker 4: similar amount of petrol. And now we've got bag variation,

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Speaker 4: so it's become increasingly unfair. Owners of older and less

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Speaker 4: fuel sorry less fuel assiciate vehicles are paying much more

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Speaker 4: for same biage, so.

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Speaker 3: Change sorry And for the average driver, will it be

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Speaker 3: more than they're paying now?

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Speaker 4: Uh? It will depend. So there'll be ones and leaders

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Speaker 4: more field new vehicles. The example that if they used

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Speaker 4: the brand news so I can probably expect to pay

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Speaker 4: more for older vehicles and and maybe your average everagehicles

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Speaker 4: will be about the same. So yeah, you really feel

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Speaker 4: the FLESSI vehicles will probably pay less that they're paying

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Speaker 4: a lot more. Now we see there's.

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Speaker 2: Pretty there in terms of an argument argument against it, Martin,

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to say that adding an extra admin

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Speaker 2: could be a challenge for some road users? You know,

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Speaker 2: these are people that might be forgetful or indeed don't

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Speaker 2: don't get war on a fitness and regail anyway, So

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Speaker 2: you're just clogging up that system more potentially.

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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, yeah, I mean home keeps and I am there.

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Speaker 4: I do right, It's checked and that's that's important. The

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Speaker 4: sup of people think about that, pay their up when

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Speaker 4: you when you we need to getting warrants cheap. But

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Speaker 4: it's an extra thing people have to do. And you know,

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Speaker 4: petrol text now is really easy. Most people don't know,

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Speaker 4: they pay it at the pump, so it's just it's

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Speaker 4: just done. So yes, it's an extra task for people

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Speaker 4: and at the moment their administration costs and purchasing luck

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Speaker 4: as well, which we'd like to see go or if

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Speaker 4: that's not possible very much.

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Speaker 3: Come down Yeah, it seems harsh on the admin useless

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Speaker 3: like me, Hey, it seems fair because it doesn't hit

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Speaker 3: tractors and boats and forklifts and such that don't go

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Speaker 3: on the road. But surely that will end generators. But

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Speaker 3: surely that will lower tax take for the government.

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Speaker 4: Sorry to see any question.

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Speaker 3: So it's so it's not going to hurt tractors or boats,

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Speaker 3: or forklifts or or lawn mowers, which will probably a small,

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Speaker 3: small end of the scale generators.

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Speaker 4: Generators, Yeah, I mean they generally exempt anyway, I see

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Speaker 4: anything with the government's probably likely to clap slightly more right,

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Speaker 4: let's feel the questions issue, but it's there to say,

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Speaker 4: you know, one of the things you're going to have

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Speaker 4: to fact radio the changes it's slightly easier to avoids

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Speaker 4: and people text people desk is possible to avoid. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's going to have to be.

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Speaker 3: Fixed to So so how do how sorry part of

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Speaker 3: my ignorance, but how does how do you avoid paying

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Speaker 3: the petrol tax on a on a tractor, for example,

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Speaker 3: or a fork lift?

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Speaker 4: Well, the charges if it's petri generally diesel and they're.

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Speaker 2: Charges yet, are we going to get into trouble? Martin

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Speaker 2: do you think because already with e vs and there's

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Speaker 2: different types of evs, whether that's plug in, whether that's

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Speaker 2: h e V, whether that's full e V, that they

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Speaker 2: pay different rucks. Are we're going to get into that

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Speaker 2: situation where people pay different rucks than others.

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Speaker 4: What what we'd hope is it may equalize the system.

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Speaker 4: So at the moment for road to charges, if you're

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Speaker 4: like vehicle that's required to pay it. So that's as

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Speaker 4: you say, these vehicles and evs, and then there's a

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Speaker 4: there's a single rate for that. So for petrol hyper

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Speaker 4: electric vehicles it's about half because the governor's recognizing that

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Speaker 4: those of the equirers obviously purchasing some petrol. We're be

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Speaker 4: really keen to see that the equalis because just about

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Speaker 4: every currently yander as a net bred of being under

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Speaker 4: three point five ton, so that they should all be

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Speaker 4: paying the same kind of per chorlometer rate.

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Speaker 3: We're talking to Martin Glenn, policy director at a A.

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Speaker 3: How easy is it to get around these things are

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Speaker 3: dominant rollbacks and such?

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Speaker 4: How much we should talking about on particularly with the

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Speaker 4: older vehicles, mechanics or somebody who's you know, pretty handy

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Speaker 4: it's it's really been about fidling with those cells. It's

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Speaker 4: much harder to do that with another vehicle, So pretty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably good news. Yeah, Martin, thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for the expertise.

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Speaker 4: Really good, no worries.

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Speaker 2: Martin Glenn Policy direct that at a A.

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