1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Are our climate targets getting in the way of our productivity? 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Both act in New Zealand first have pledged to pull 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: out of the Paris Accords on their serious changes are made. 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: They say this is to stop putting pressure on farmers. 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: So how do farmers feel about this move? Wayne Langford 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: is Fed Farmers National President and joins me, Now go 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: on into your Wayne morning Andrek, what do you reckon? 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's the start of an encouraging conversation, but 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's a bit of political postom. I think 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: really what we'd like is some action being taken to 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: to actually make those changes, rather than just talking about it. 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: Yes, we all know that the Paris Climate Accords for 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: the globe and not working. The emission trading scheme is 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: not working. It needs to be changed. But wood pulling 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: out of the accords actually put us in the naughty 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: corner and hurt farmers more. 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: Well, that's you know, that's certainly one view on it. 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: That the challenge for us is why the government just 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: getting on and making the changes that are needed so 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: that not only the rulesick that can prosper, but also 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: the New Zealand compostor because as you mentioned, it is 22 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: holding back some of the New Zealand's prosperity. And that's 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: what the two parties are talking about. They're saying, Hey, 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: how do we adjustice to make this a fit better 25 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: of what New Zealand is? Well, the last time I checked, 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: how you guys are in government? Why don't you change it? 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: Get on and do it. 28 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: So let me get this right. Are you saying, yes, 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: stay in the Paris Climate Accords, but for God's sake, 30 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: try and make some changes to the whole things. Meanwhile 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: in our domestic economy, make things more rational. 32 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, what we're saying is the climate rules were set 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 2: for ourselves, a New Zealand hero. What causing the problem 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: not necessarily the Paris Agreement in itself. So we've got 35 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: overly ambitious methane targets. We're planning, we're doing full farm 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: from conversions into forestry conversions. We were still talking about planning, 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: pricing and egg commissions. Why don't we just scrapple that. 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: Why don't we get that sorted so that farmers know 39 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: where we're sitting and we know what we're doing in 40 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: the country. 41 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm getting a few techs from farmers right now. Who's saying, look, 42 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm carbon neutral already. You know, we're actually doing a 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: very good job of producing very efficient meat with as 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: low a mission as you can possibly have. So are 45 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: farmers feeling more appreciated with this new government than before? 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely they are, and we're certainly seeing that and 47 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: the results that we're getting through in our surveying as well. 48 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: And while there is a lot of sentiment out there 49 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: around pulling out of Paris, I think when you dig 50 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: deeper and they're looking to what's actually holding Paris back, 51 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: it is actually what we're setting on ourselves as the government. 52 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: And that's what that's what we're saying about this announcement. Hey, 53 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: we appreciate the conversation. We like what you're talking about here. 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: Both acton news on first. But by the way you 55 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: guys are in government, you guys can make these changes. Now, 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: just get on and make these changes that farmers have 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 2: got a clear road ahead. 58 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: Wayne. I thank you so much, Wayne Langford from Federated Farmers. 59 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge, listen live 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: to News Talks it Be from five am weekdays, or 61 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.