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Speaker 1: Listen, I think one of the most surprising things about

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Speaker 1: that judge allegedly yelling at Winston Peters in the Northern

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Speaker 1: Club is that she still has her job. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear. I don't want this judge

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Speaker 1: to lose her job, and I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: be seen to be calling for the scalp in this case.

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Speaker 1: It's not what I'm doing. I'm just pointing out that

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Speaker 1: she should lose her job over this, because what happened

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Speaker 1: was actually quite serious. We are talking here about a

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Speaker 1: judge yelling, not denied by the way, by her yelling

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Speaker 1: at the Deputy Prime Minister, the second most senior politician

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Speaker 1: in this country, and accusing him. Also, this is not denied,

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Speaker 1: accusing him of lying in front of a group of people.

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Speaker 1: Now you flip that around and imagine it happened the

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Speaker 1: other way. It's a senior minister doing the same, a

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Speaker 1: senior minister yelling at a very senior judge and saying

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Speaker 1: they're lying in front of a room of people, and

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Speaker 1: tell me that that minister keeps their job. There is

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Speaker 1: no way on God's Earth that that minister keeps their job.

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Speaker 1: No way it would be tolerated because no government, no

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Speaker 1: Prime minister, would want to be seen to be tolerating

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Speaker 1: that kind of behavior. It's got to be the same

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Speaker 1: for the judiciary. The judiciary cannot be seen to tolerate

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Speaker 1: verbal attacks on ministers of government, and particularly right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean a few years ago, maybe it wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: mattered as much, maybe we would cut them awey bit

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Speaker 1: of slack. But right now there is actually considerable tension

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Speaker 1: between the judiciary and the government, to the point of

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Speaker 1: it actually boiling over at times. We have got courts

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Speaker 1: and lawyers taking cracks at Parliament. We've got Parliament passing

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Speaker 1: multiple laws to reign and judges. We've got accusations at

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Speaker 1: of the White Tonguey Tribunal overreaching. We've got Shane Jones

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Speaker 1: making comments about so called activist judges and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: There is a real concern at the moment that committee,

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Speaker 1: which is the mutual respect between the two, is breaking down.

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Speaker 1: Commity is fundamental to a democracy like ours working. They

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Speaker 1: have to respect each other and they have to be

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Speaker 1: seen to be respecting each other. It is so bad

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Speaker 1: for the judiciary to be perceived to be this hostile

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Speaker 1: towards the current and government that I cannot see how

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Speaker 1: Emma Aikin keeps her job. For more from The Mic

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