WEBVTT - The challenges and opportunities facing the NZ fashion industry 

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<v Speaker 1>Yoda.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Chelsea Daniels and This is the Front Page, a

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<v Speaker 2>daily podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Presented by the New Zealand Herald.

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand fashion has had a shakeup in recent years,

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<v Speaker 2>with both well known and homegrown brands shutting up shop

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<v Speaker 2>Kate Sylvester will shut its doors this year after thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one years of trade, and newer labels like Mina, Heyhei

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<v Speaker 2>and Nissa have all ended production. The struggles are perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>best epitomized by New Zealand Fashion Week, which canceled its

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four season after cancelations in twenty twenty, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one and twenty twenty two, and the issues show

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<v Speaker 2>no sign of stopping, with global trade wars highlighting how

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<v Speaker 2>many designers actually manufacture their goods in China, Vietnam and

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<v Speaker 2>Cambodia all hit hard by tariffs. Today on the Front

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<v Speaker 2>Page to discuss the state of.

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<v Speaker 4>The industry, we're joined by Weaver's departing fashion and creative director,

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<v Speaker 4>Dan Alwa. So Dan, when you think of New Zealand fashion,

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<v Speaker 4>what first comes to mind?

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<v Speaker 5>That's a really great question. Has changed so much over

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<v Speaker 5>the years, but I think the first thing that comes

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<v Speaker 5>to mind is our innovation. You think of brands like

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<v Speaker 5>Untouched World, for example, who are such a stalwar of

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<v Speaker 5>New Zealand manufacturing. Their textile innovation is incredible. And over

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<v Speaker 5>the years, you think of designers like the ones that

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<v Speaker 5>showed at London Fashion We can the early two thousands

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<v Speaker 5>that cohort of Karen Walker's and Busy World. You think

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<v Speaker 5>of innovation, and you think of creativity, and because of

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<v Speaker 5>our proximity to the rest of the world, we just

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<v Speaker 5>are resourceful and.

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<v Speaker 3>The textiles and stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you mentioned like Untouched World, I think of Marino,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think of Cashmere Juliet Hogan on the

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<v Speaker 2>world stage, those moments and those prints and everything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>quite nice to kind of look at a New Zealand

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<v Speaker 2>designer and kind of know that they're from New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 5>Almost There's a huge appetite for New Zealand fashion on

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<v Speaker 5>the world stage and there will continue to be in

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<v Speaker 5>the past, now and into the future. Even now we're

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<v Speaker 5>looking at the incredible work that Ambia work Sted has

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<v Speaker 5>done for the Air New Zealand uniforms, and just recently

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<v Speaker 5>there's two Kiwi designers confirmed for the Australian Fashion Week

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<v Speaker 5>schedule in may Win, Hamlin and Paris, Georgia. So brands

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<v Speaker 5>like that will continue to fly the flag for New

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<v Speaker 5>Zealand fashion. And I think we really do punch above

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<v Speaker 5>our weight in terms of what we can deliver in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of fashion. Good design qualities really paramount and right

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<v Speaker 5>now we're thinking about how to close the gap and

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<v Speaker 5>make more of a circular economy around textile waste and

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<v Speaker 5>finding waste to be less wasteful with the way that

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<v Speaker 5>we consume.

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<v Speaker 2>You've mentioned a lot of those big brands as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are also those smaller, down to earth kind

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<v Speaker 2>of homegrown brands as well. And I noticed that Nissa

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the latest brands to shut down. They

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<v Speaker 2>cited a continued decline in sales while costs kept rising.

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<v Speaker 2>In a statement that staff said, if we raise our

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<v Speaker 2>prices anymore to cover these our products will become less

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<v Speaker 2>attainable for our customers. Now, is that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>main hurdles for these local brands, the cost to actually

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<v Speaker 2>make things on shore.

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<v Speaker 5>It's one of the biggest hurdles for all fashion brands

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<v Speaker 5>at the moment, whatever level you are, whether you're established

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<v Speaker 5>or emerging, and if you want good quality garments, especially

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<v Speaker 5>with the brand like Nissa who trade in undergarments. You

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<v Speaker 5>want these garments to last as long as as they can,

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<v Speaker 5>so to invest in good quality fabrics and to pay

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<v Speaker 5>people the fair wage to create these onshore, it does

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<v Speaker 5>require a lot of sacrifice, and I think there's a

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<v Speaker 5>disconnect between the consumer and designers, where designers are really

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<v Speaker 5>trying to focus on good quality manufacturing. There's not a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of manufacturing left in New Zealand, but the manufacturers

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<v Speaker 5>that we do have we have to try and support

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<v Speaker 5>because I think what people forget is they have the

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<v Speaker 5>power to spend money not only on the brands, but

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<v Speaker 5>they're actually supporting a whole infrastructure behind the designers. It's

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<v Speaker 5>the pantern makers, it's the suppliers, it's the logistics. So

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<v Speaker 5>there's a whole industry of people that we need to

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<v Speaker 5>get behind to really support the local industry to see

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<v Speaker 5>them survive. And so when you mentioned brands like that,

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<v Speaker 5>it is quite sad to hear because it has been

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<v Speaker 5>really challenging. There's just not enough of a market here

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<v Speaker 5>to scale. So they're comparing with ultra fast fashion, which

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<v Speaker 5>is the likes of Tamil and Shin it's really disheartening

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<v Speaker 5>for a designer to sort of compete with that competition

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<v Speaker 5>when the consumers are really stall driven by price. And

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<v Speaker 5>when you think about it, New Zealand Made it used

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<v Speaker 5>to have a really beautiful cachet when we had campaign

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<v Speaker 5>maybe I think in the late eighties, early nineties, and

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<v Speaker 5>today it's sort of is the same as a premium

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<v Speaker 5>Japanese denum, you know. I think New Zealand Made we

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<v Speaker 5>have to really think about what that actually stands for now,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it's a really critical time.

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<v Speaker 6>We're just going to keep growing a business, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>not just about growth. It's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 6>upset me early on was that no one could talk

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<v Speaker 6>about anything about how big businesses were or what the

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<v Speaker 6>GDP of the country was. There was no conversation about

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<v Speaker 6>what was happening to the planet and the people on

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<v Speaker 6>the way through to get those numbers. So we'll definitely

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<v Speaker 6>keep growing.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we change the consumer's mindset into buying underwear

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<v Speaker 2>that cost fifty dollars but will last you potentially a

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime if you look after them, versus a pack of

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<v Speaker 2>ten for ten bucks.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think we're just really spoiled by choice. I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's what we're comparing with in terms of these

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<v Speaker 5>fast fashion retailers. So when you work in media, when

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<v Speaker 5>you're talking to designers, we really have to nail the

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<v Speaker 5>message home that shopping local is better for the long term,

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<v Speaker 5>not for the short term. Buying underwear or bad quality

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<v Speaker 5>clothing that's destined for landfall will only last you so long,

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<v Speaker 5>so have to really educate consumers about that. So in

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty four, Mindful Fashion New Zealand teamed up with

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<v Speaker 5>EY to release a industry report called Threads of Tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 5>which was really a comprehensive lock at the wider industry

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<v Speaker 5>and how much value it brings to the economy. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think in twenty twenty three the fashion industry actually

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<v Speaker 5>accounted for one point nine percent of the GDP, which

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<v Speaker 5>is more than the building industry, but that's a paralleln

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<v Speaker 5>retail sector combine. So in terms of supporting the local

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<v Speaker 5>fashion industry, it's just really about getting behind our designers

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<v Speaker 5>and really changing the mindset of how we consume. Think,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, with the announcement of the tariffs, for example,

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<v Speaker 5>that maybe that will be it's sort of a wait

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<v Speaker 5>and see what will happen there because it's how that

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<v Speaker 5>impacts and trickles down to our designers. We've got to

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<v Speaker 5>really stay in touch with how that impacts them. It's

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<v Speaker 5>very much a wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you mentioned the tariffs as well, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know that a lot of those She and Timmy, those

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<v Speaker 2>ultra fast fashion retailers that just pump out those micro

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<v Speaker 2>trends and trends, and that's what you see on the

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok the Instagram. That's what the kids are going for

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<v Speaker 2>those massive halls with all these clothes and everything. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>the tariffs, so that's the tariffs are going to make

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<v Speaker 2>those clothes more expensive to Americans. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>how Americans shop and how Americans treat trends does trickle

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<v Speaker 2>down to New Zealand and how consumers here feel?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir no.

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<v Speaker 5>I think as New Zealand is because we're so isolated

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<v Speaker 5>by nature. We are opshop lovers, We love vintage. There's

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<v Speaker 5>an opshop in every small talent in New Zealand. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think we are pioneers in terms of sustainable fashion design.

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<v Speaker 5>So I feel like as a nation we are inherently

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<v Speaker 5>more connected to the environment. So yes, there's a truckle

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<v Speaker 5>down impact from the way that Americans consume, but the

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<v Speaker 5>way that we consume is a little bit different. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think that will serve us well in this period

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<v Speaker 5>while we're going through this change. And to go back

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<v Speaker 5>to your question around educating the consumers around being better shoppers,

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<v Speaker 5>I think we just have to keep reminding each other

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<v Speaker 5>that New Zealand is naturally concerned about the planet and

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<v Speaker 5>the environment, and we do have talented designers that are

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<v Speaker 5>coming up with solutions to be more sustainable designers.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know about you, but I've seen online

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<v Speaker 2>videos of these Chinese manufacturers lifting the lead, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 2>on which high luxury ash and brands actually have their

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<v Speaker 2>goods made in China. So from Prita to Tzara to Lululemon,

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<v Speaker 2>people are thinking, well, why am I paying X amount

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<v Speaker 2>when it only costs so much to make Why do

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<v Speaker 2>you think people are so surprised by this.

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<v Speaker 5>I think because we live in an era where everyone's

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<v Speaker 5>talking about digital marketing and marketing, and you know, consumers

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<v Speaker 5>are still there's like an allure to luxury. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think that's changing too. I think people are realizing, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>with a report like that factories make the same handbags

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<v Speaker 5>as they do for say a sublux brand like Michael

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<v Speaker 5>Cores or Caspade, and then it trickles down to something

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<v Speaker 5>that you might find in a department store. They all

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<v Speaker 5>come from the same factory at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a good thing that we're communicating that,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think the luxury industry should be more transparent.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's not to sort of paint all luxury brands

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<v Speaker 5>in the same light. I think there's something to be

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<v Speaker 5>said about brands that still manufacture and quality controlled factories.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's an artisanal aspect to luxury that is inherently

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<v Speaker 5>sustainable too. So yeah, it's an interesting one. I've seen

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<v Speaker 5>those tiktoks two and I think they're quite funny.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Ermes Penny Himalaya. It is the shared dream

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<v Speaker 1>or Chinese women. No, not just Chinese, it is the

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<v Speaker 1>shared dream of all human women.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know how much it cost?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the pootique two hundred and sinty thousand US dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you want to know what the price we

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<v Speaker 1>have for our bag made by our factory. Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just Terry Risk. That's the one tenth of the price

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<v Speaker 1>at the Potick. And what you should see and know

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<v Speaker 1>is that we use exactly the same leather. This is

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<v Speaker 1>crabile letter, exactly the same as Ermes.

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<v Speaker 2>So jarring to see these brands and these clothes and

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<v Speaker 2>bags that we love so much, the Emes belt bag

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<v Speaker 2>or something, you know, and seeing them in that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of environment, it's kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of like a switch up, like oh oh wow. But that,

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<v Speaker 3>like you.

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<v Speaker 2>Said, there are still a tilias in Paris. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, you know, brands like Prata do manufacture

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<v Speaker 2>the goods in China because brands in France are seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing as the brands in New Zealand, that

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<v Speaker 2>it's getting costlier to make stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's a whole education piece. And that's not to

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<v Speaker 5>say that making in China's bad. I think made in

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<v Speaker 5>China is really It's changed a lot over the years,

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<v Speaker 5>and some of those factories have cutting each technology that

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<v Speaker 5>you can't find anywhere. It's the reason why so many

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<v Speaker 5>of our designers manufacture in China. But you're right, I

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<v Speaker 5>think you know, it is quite gyring to see a

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<v Speaker 5>brand that's so world renowned, you know, made in these

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<v Speaker 5>factories and it might be certain categories. For example, you've

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<v Speaker 5>got the footwear in China, but then you've got sort

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<v Speaker 5>of the ready to wear in Paris. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 5>of like, I think it's a good thing that the consumer.

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<v Speaker 5>The more the consumer is educated, the better we are,

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<v Speaker 5>and it trickles down to how we consume locally.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also read an article about the fashion industry

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<v Speaker 2>break for the impact of Trump's tariffs and a comment

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<v Speaker 2>about it potentially setting the sector back fifty years, right.

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<v Speaker 2>But then on the other hand, I read another article

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<v Speaker 2>that in the fifties and sixties, ninety five percent of

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<v Speaker 2>clothes that America wore were made in America, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>now two percent. So could a reset for the industry

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<v Speaker 2>actually end up being a good thing for local manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 5>It's early days. I feel like it's watch and wait

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<v Speaker 5>and see, because you could see it both ways. But

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<v Speaker 5>either way, I think a reset is a really good

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<v Speaker 5>way to look at it. There are pros and cons,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it also depends on the capability of

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<v Speaker 5>onshore manufacturers. Do we have the infrastructure still that we

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<v Speaker 5>used to have fifty sixty years ago? Does America even

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<v Speaker 5>have that? So we really have to question that and

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<v Speaker 5>look at our cottage industries. We have to look at

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<v Speaker 5>our makers, our knitters, our weavers and really kind of

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<v Speaker 5>find solution to come together to work together. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>one of the reasons why there's so few and far

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<v Speaker 5>between opportunities for the industry to connect. So I'm excited

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<v Speaker 5>also to talk about New Zealand Fashion Week coming back

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<v Speaker 5>because that is an opportunity to look at that event differently.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think a lot of the argument over

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<v Speaker 5>the years is that it's turned into some sort of

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<v Speaker 5>influencer playground. But one of the missions this is to

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<v Speaker 5>really connect with designers to come up with solutions for them,

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<v Speaker 5>to find ways to get people backshopping, supporting local and

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<v Speaker 5>working with designers to figure out how they want to

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<v Speaker 5>turn up. Designers don't have the resources that they used to,

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<v Speaker 5>So do they want to do an ind season store

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<v Speaker 5>event in store? Why not? You know? Does it always

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<v Speaker 5>have to be a runway show? Can it be conversations,

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<v Speaker 5>Can it be lunches. Can it be a chance to

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<v Speaker 5>network and meet people in real life? Because we just

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<v Speaker 5>currently don't have that. So I think the more that

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<v Speaker 5>the industry is able to have opportunities to come together

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<v Speaker 5>to meet other people in the industry, not just for

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<v Speaker 5>designers to meet other designers, but designers to actually connect

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<v Speaker 5>with the wider industry. I think that's when you can

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<v Speaker 5>start thinking about the solutions that are urgent and how

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<v Speaker 5>we can come together to talk to government about support

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<v Speaker 5>because there's just a huge lack of support there.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of New Zealand Fashion Week, have you

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<v Speaker 2>seen any other fashion weeks around the globe that have

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<v Speaker 2>taken things from the runway, say, and taking them into

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<v Speaker 2>real world situations.

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<v Speaker 3>What are some cool ideas that you've seen.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think Copenhagen Fashion Week is one that we've

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<v Speaker 5>been looking at closely, just in terms of the way

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<v Speaker 5>they organize the programming. There's a diversity in programming that's

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<v Speaker 5>relevant to the consumer, which is really important. Traditionally New

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<v Speaker 5>Zealand Fashion Week's been a trade event, but increasingly it's

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<v Speaker 5>become more sort of half trade half consumer, which it

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<v Speaker 5>has to be to survive. And so some might argue

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<v Speaker 5>that it becomes a fashion festival and not a fashion week,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's sort of like, to me, they're both the same.

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<v Speaker 5>With semantics, It's like the public doesn't care it's a

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<v Speaker 5>week long event of fashion that they can be involved with.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm excited about that. And Copenhagen's really been a good

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<v Speaker 5>one to look up in terms of how they approach sustainability.

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<v Speaker 5>London Fashion Week's another good one. I think they really

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<v Speaker 5>made a huge commitment to making it actually a sustainable

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<v Speaker 5>fashion week across the board. So yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 5>returning to New Zealand in August and I hope that

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<v Speaker 5>people turn up for it, and after a hiatus last year,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's a chance for us to really look at

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<v Speaker 5>what fashion means to us as New Zealanders, how we

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<v Speaker 5>can support our designers. Yeah, and a time where we're

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<v Speaker 5>sort of questioning our identity as a country, I think

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<v Speaker 5>how we get dressed in the morning is still something

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<v Speaker 5>that we have power over.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dan Media Watch recently asked if there's life in

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<v Speaker 2>lifestyle journalism in New Zealand now, do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>there is and how does that flow onto the success

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<v Speaker 2>of our local industries.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there is, you know. I think having worked

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<v Speaker 5>on beav and the brand and built it up with

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<v Speaker 5>a really great team for the last ten plus years,

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen changes come and go in the media in general.

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<v Speaker 5>Lead alone lifestyle. But I still feel like this value

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<v Speaker 5>with strong lifestyle content in a newsroom environment. Not everyone

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<v Speaker 5>wants to be bombarded with hard news every single day,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think there's value in lifestyle journalism. I think

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<v Speaker 5>even here at in Zinni, we have the best lifestyle

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<v Speaker 5>journalists in the country, so I think that's something to

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<v Speaker 5>be incredibly proud of. I'm excited, especially about the independent

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<v Speaker 5>lifestyle media that we have. You know, we've got some

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<v Speaker 5>great examples here like Ensemble Magazine, Capsule, even a heritage

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<v Speaker 5>magazine like Fashion Quarterly that's independent. So I think there's

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<v Speaker 5>room for everybody at the table. But I think we

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<v Speaker 5>also need to think about the quality of content that

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<v Speaker 5>we're putting out there and really investing in our lifestyle journalists.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you optimistic for the future of fashion in news Land?

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<v Speaker 2>I saw just this week that Kate Sylvesta's sons are

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to keep one of her brands going despite

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<v Speaker 2>her namesake brand closing, which is an amazing development. Are

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<v Speaker 2>there more bright spots like this out there?

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<v Speaker 5>I think there are, But I think, as going back

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<v Speaker 5>to Las Star Media, it's our responsibility to shine a

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<v Speaker 5>light on those stories as well as the closures, So

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<v Speaker 5>I'm excited about it. I think it's a brilliant story

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<v Speaker 5>because the boys three sons are all graduates of design

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<v Speaker 5>and they've been working with the business since they were teenagers,

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<v Speaker 5>so it's a natural progression for them. But it's a

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<v Speaker 5>really good timely conversation to have because we're thinking about

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<v Speaker 5>succession plans for some of our established brands. It's like

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<v Speaker 5>where to next when you've got people that are figureheads

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<v Speaker 5>in those businesses, but you know, getting on in age,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think it's really important to think about the

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<v Speaker 5>future right now. And I feel positive. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 5>been in this industry for over twenty years, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's easy to be jaded in an economy

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<v Speaker 5>that's so small like New Zealand, but actually there's some

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<v Speaker 5>really great stories to continue telling and to celebrate. And

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're so creative and innovative, you know, as

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<v Speaker 5>a country, and I think that's something to still hold

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<v Speaker 5>on to.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for joining us, Dan, Thanks.

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<v Speaker 5>For having me.

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