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Speaker 1: You're digging through the spin to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridgejohn hither D for Cellen Drive News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Seven after four, Great to have your company this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Lots to come on the show. We'll talk about lux

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Speaker 2: and the state of the nation. Meth now cheaper than ever.

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Speaker 2: Apparently we've got new stats on that. Nikola willis live

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Speaker 2: after six. We're in the UK, we're in Australia and

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Speaker 2: we'll look at this union. Well, it looks like a

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Speaker 3: That's all ahead, Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: So yes, good afternoon. It is great to be back

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Speaker 2: with you on this Monday. It is election, ye of course,

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Speaker 2: and I reckon we should get this thing over and

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Speaker 2: should go to the polls early. The argument's always been,

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Speaker 2: Luckson's grip on national and the coalition more generally, he

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Speaker 2: mean he's doing a terrible job. Inflation is coming down,

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Speaker 2: recovery is underway, Education being dealt to, as is crime.

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Speaker 2: This is good, but politics isn't always about facts, much

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Speaker 2: the recovery is happening, and you're willing to put your

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Speaker 2: to put the willies up, your opposition up, your opposition up,

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Speaker 2: your opponents. But more importantly and crucially, cut in half

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Speaker 2: the amount of time that will be spent this year

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Speaker 2: bickering with your cabinet colleague Seymour and Peters who are

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Speaker 2: after oxygen of course, and Bishop Etel who are after

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Speaker 2: The question I'd be asking myself is whether a significant

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Speaker 2: the polls with an autumn campaign season, give us some gumption.

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Speaker 2: We need a prime minister, not a prime manager. Bryan Bridge,

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Speaker 2: you're on News Talks the Beats number of text would

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Speaker 2: love your feedback this afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: People want a ban to stop people picking rock poles

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Speaker 2: everything fisheries Minster. Shane Jones is onto it. He's asked

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Speaker 2: for some urgent advice, joining us as Mark Lenton. He's

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Speaker 2: group and he's with me now. Mark. Good afternoon, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: how are you have? Really good? Thanks? Tell us what

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Speaker 5: It's pretty rock bottom when it comes to marine life.

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Speaker 5: It's been going on for a couple of years now, Ryan.

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Speaker 5: When I first started noticing people turning up with buckets

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Speaker 5: two hundred people on the rocks using chisels and piano

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Speaker 2: Buckets right, and what's left.

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Speaker 5: Seawater mainly, and whatever came in with the last tide.

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Speaker 2: Where's that? Did you say? Piano wy?

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Speaker 2: What do you think they are eating? All of this stuff?

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Speaker 5: nine a Headies Section one eighty six eighty two year

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Speaker 5: A current mindset which is currently take it all, it

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Speaker 2: Yeah here Mark, I'm completely on board with the band,

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Speaker 2: Mark Lenton Protect Fung up to our rock ports with

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather D Puss Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: News Talks MB. It is seventeen minutes after for great

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Speaker 2: to have your company. Nine to two ninety two is

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Speaker 2: of you don't like what I said about an early election.

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Speaker 2: Well some of you don't like what I said about

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Speaker 2: an early election, Ryan Raally have I disagreed with you,

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Speaker 2: but shocking editorial could not disagree with you more. You're

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Speaker 2: Who's this from?

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Speaker 2: Where have you heard it? Come on? This is the

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Speaker 2: first time you've heard this, this take this hot take

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. I just think you've got more to lose

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Speaker 2: Confidence is already starting to come back. I think you

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Speaker 2: by going early. That's my personal opinion and I'm here

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Speaker 2: to give it to you. Ryan, You're on the money.

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Speaker 2: This is from Peter. He says good strategy for the coalition,

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Speaker 2: but Luxon won't as he doesn't really get political strategy,

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Speaker 2: That's the job. Who cares whether you understand politics. However,

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Speaker 2: Nineteen after four good Sport with tad in play bet

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Speaker 2: Jason pines with us the ends that are got the

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Speaker 7: I think the All Blacks were even meant to be

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Speaker 7: the big gig.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do we know? Is there a timeline yet?

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Speaker 7: Not that we've seen.

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Speaker 7: David Kirk said that they don't have a preconceived idea,

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Speaker 2: Now Black Caps have beaten in there in the ODI series.

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Speaker 2: Is this significant? Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: I found twelve guys Williams and Latham, Alan Ferguson, Seifer Duffy,

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Speaker 6: Games for You person all over again.

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Speaker 2: Now Australian Parliament back in session. They're debating urgent changes

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Speaker 2: Finally, this afternoon, don't you A three and a half

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Speaker 2: Twenty three to five Murray Olds in Australia for us. Murray,

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Look, it's a very popular jump spot over there in

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Speaker 4: the on the edge of Sydney Harbor at Vore Clues

435
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Speaker 4: in Sydney's Eastern suburbs, ironically called Shark Park. It's called

436
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Speaker 4: Shark Park for a reason. Lots of bull sharks are

437
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Speaker 4: there and they think that's what got this little boy.

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Speaker 4: Yesterday afternoon, he and a bunch of friends were jumping

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Speaker 4: off the rock into the water, climbing out, jumping off again.

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Speaker 4: This young man, a twelve years old, savage by a shark.

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Speaker 4: The water was very murky. We've had a lot of

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Speaker 4: rain here and the harbourside water a lot of runoff

443
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Speaker 4: from the streets and it was very murky. This young

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Speaker 4: man's friends jumped in, would you believe it, They jumped

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Speaker 4: in to pull him out. Emergency services very quickly on

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Speaker 4: the scene. Police applied turner caves to the kid's legs

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Speaker 4: and they raced on their police boat across Rose Bay

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Speaker 4: to the wharf. There was the paramedic ambulance waiting there

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Speaker 4: and they got him up to the children's hospital very quickly.

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Speaker 4: So he's critical. Only an hour or so ago, maybe

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Speaker 4: ninety minutes ago, not far from me. Up at d

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Speaker 4: Y on Sydney's Northern Beaches, a young surfer had a giant,

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Speaker 4: big chunk bitten out of his board. He okay, thank goodness,

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Speaker 4: the young man wasn't hurt, but the board's a mess

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Speaker 4: and they think from the shape of the bit it's

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Speaker 4: another bull shark. There's lots of sharks. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: cleaner now than it's ever been, which means more bait fish,

458
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Speaker 4: which means more shark activity looking for a feed. And

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Speaker 4: if a young surfer gets in the way, a young

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Speaker 4: fella jumping off a rock, well that's tough luck, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Just dreadful?

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Speaker 2: Not very very sad. Indeed, Murray Let's hope he makes that.

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Speaker 2: Murray Old's are Australia correspondent. It is seventeen away from

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Speaker 2: five Ryan leading about that today. Actually, so you know

465
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Speaker 2: you don't want to go swimming at dusk or dawn

466
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Speaker 2: because that's when the sharks are feeding. They say, that's

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Speaker 2: not a good idea. And now also apparently after heavy

468
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Speaker 2: rain because the visibility in the water and then the

469
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Speaker 2: shark doesn't know what it's going after and before you

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Speaker 2: know it's your leg. So be careful and watch when

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Speaker 2: you're swimming. I guess is the message now? I told

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Speaker 2: you I would bring you the story of the tramper

473
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Speaker 2: who went missing at Khedong, your National Park. This is

474
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Speaker 2: near Nelson, a beautiful part of New Zealand. And he

475
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Speaker 2: goes on a tramp last year goes missing meant to

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Speaker 2: be back on December thirty, doesn't turn up, Search and

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Speaker 2: rescue two weeks, they call it off. Three weeks later,

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Speaker 2: Now we are and they find it yesterday in a hut,

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Speaker 2: And you think, well, did they not search all the

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Speaker 2: hut's first time round?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Where? How did this happen? How do you go missing

483
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Speaker 2: for three weeks and survive miraculous story and then wind

484
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Speaker 2: up in a hut and be found in a hut?

485
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Speaker 2: Did they not check all the huts?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: They did. So police have put a statement out and

488
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Speaker 2: they say that this guy, his name is Graham Garnet,

489
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Speaker 2: he's sixty sixty years old. He was deep within the

490
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Speaker 2: park for almost three weeks and was basically didn't know

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Speaker 2: where what he was lost. There was low cloud, where

492
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Speaker 2: there was bad. One wrong turn is all it took

493
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Speaker 2: with the cloud and the weather and he's lost. He

494
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Speaker 2: was on the move for much of the time that

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Speaker 2: he was there. He's got injuries along the way, so

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Speaker 2: it's kind of going from bad to worse, bad to worse.

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Speaker 2: He had tried to get out numerous ways, followed streams

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Speaker 2: and ridges. Finally he finds the Kadamere River, which he

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Speaker 2: recognized from previous walks that led him back to Venus

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Speaker 2: hut and by then, of course police have called off

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Speaker 2: their search. But these contractors are going into the hut

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Speaker 2: to have it look and there he is miraculous alive.

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Speaker 2: So it's flown straight to hospital. Now, initially I thought

504
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Speaker 2: this was an odd story because police weren't talking normally.

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Speaker 2: They give you a comment about this, and also he

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Speaker 2: was in the hut. They said they did check the

507
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Speaker 2: hut initially, that he wasn't there. Then he was wandering

508
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Speaker 2: around the bush trying to find his way out and

509
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Speaker 2: then found his way to the hut. Thankfully, he is alive.

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Speaker 2: The family have said, obviously rescuers thanked all the volunteers, etc.

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Speaker 2: They say, we are in awe of Graham his incredible

512
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Speaker 2: self reliance, resilience and perseverance. Words cannot express how overjoyed

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Speaker 2: we are to have him back. And we acknowledge the

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Speaker 2: kataing A National Park as a place of rugged beauty.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, a fantastic result. And the cops say,

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Speaker 2: if you are going backcountry walking, hiking, you must take

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Speaker 2: a personal loak. Kate Beacon. At all times fourteen to

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Speaker 2: five news talks.

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Speaker 1: Have been politics, with Centric Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: You're on news talks. He'll be eleven minutes away from

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Speaker 2: five Luxe and gave her the State of the Nation

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Speaker 2: address in Auckland today and we will speak to Simon Bridges,

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Speaker 2: who was the former National Party leader. We will talk to

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Speaker 2: him about it after five o'clock. Joining us now is

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Speaker 2: Thomas Colgran with the Herald. He's the political editor. Thomas,

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Ryan, good afternoon. Great to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: So how did it go?

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Speaker 12: Look, it was a fine start the year. It definitely

530
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Speaker 12: wasn't your sort of barnstorming scenes here that you've seen

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Speaker 12: in the years past. Last year, Christopher Luxen had his

532
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Speaker 12: big going for growth the State of the Nation speech,

533
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Speaker 12: which obviously didn't quite come to pass, and that was

534
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Speaker 12: a wee bit embarrassing for the government. So they've sort

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Speaker 12: of dialed back the rhetoric this year. It probably will

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Speaker 12: mean slightly less adulatory headlines in the next couple of days,

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Speaker 12: but I suppose it would also mean that people won't

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Speaker 12: be checking back in a few months time to see

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Speaker 12: whether we did or did not get the growth that

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Speaker 12: was promised, So probably a low risk glow reward strategyic year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a safe space, let's hear a little bit

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Speaker 2: of what he had to say.

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Speaker 13: It's going to be a truly great year. The economy

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Speaker 13: is growing, the kids are almost back at school again,

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Speaker 13: and after a great Kiwi summer break, and just like

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Speaker 13: Kiwi's up and down the country, I can tell you

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Speaker 13: the National Party is knuckling down and getting back to work.

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Speaker 13: And I guess I have one very very simple message

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Speaker 13: for you today, and that is that National is fixing

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Speaker 13: the basics and building the.

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Speaker 2: Future right now. November seven is my pick for the

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Speaker 2: election date. However, I think they should go early. Just

553
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Speaker 2: do something bold, do something big, capture people's attention and

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Speaker 2: go early. Not a popular opinion with our Textas this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: I have to say Thomas, what's your pack for? Because

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Speaker 2: he's going to announce it on Wednesday, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Actually I was talking to my granddad over the break

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Speaker 12: and my granddad was also of the opinion that they

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Speaker 12: should go early. He lives in in rural South Island

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Speaker 12: and they're definitely feeling the economic recovery where he is.

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Speaker 12: He thinks that things are so good that they need

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Speaker 12: to go as soon as possible, so that that is

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Speaker 12: that is his opinion. So certainly it depends where you are,

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Speaker 12: but I would say, no, you mistephen. It seems to

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Speaker 12: be the lightly date that that recovery is taking a while,

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Speaker 12: that filters through to everywhere, and I think they'll want

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Speaker 12: to give it as much time as possible. I think

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Speaker 12: another pick well for the election is obviously this is

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Speaker 12: only a couple of days after ey Fawk's day, So

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Speaker 12: I wonder whether fireworks could become not a massive issue

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Speaker 12: at the election, but I wonder whether during one of

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Speaker 12: the debates someone's going to say, you know, is it

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Speaker 12: time to ben a sort of our home fireworks dis

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Speaker 12: plays as the sale of fireworks, And I think I

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Speaker 12: think the parties might might decide to do that. So

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Speaker 12: that is a that's sort of a sleeper issue that

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Speaker 12: I think said this year.

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Speaker 2: Because Winston's already said that. He said he was yeah, yeah, yep,

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Speaker 2: last year, Yeah, all right, very good. And finally, who

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Speaker 2: do you think we might see because Luxance sort of

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Speaker 2: foreshadowing a potential reshuffle of people retire who might be retiring.

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Speaker 12: I think perhaps more in Pube, she's been there for

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Speaker 12: a little while, although she does she does hold of

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Speaker 12: that seat. I'm not whether she's been re selected on

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Speaker 12: the West coast. Maybe Barbara Kruger has been around for

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Speaker 12: a while, perhaps, sir, But look, that's that is idle

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Speaker 12: speculation at the stage.

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Speaker 2: More In's the effing useless one, isn't she Well?

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Speaker 12: Maybe you can ask Simon about her when it comes on.

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Speaker 2: Will we notice she's gone? Thank you so much? That

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Speaker 2: is Thomas Cogland from The Herald. It's eight minutes away

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Speaker 2: from five News Talks. But as Thomas says, Simon is

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Speaker 2: with us after five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Pimon surface to relux as with us. The best line

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Speaker 2: I read over the period was the age of the Empires?

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Speaker 14: Do you think we're heading back to the age of

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Speaker 14: the Empires?

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 13: The system that we've had for the last seventy years

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Speaker 13: is rupturing big time.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's a really big call to action

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Speaker 2: for New.

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Speaker 13: Zealand and our relative position because one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 13: five countries are dealing with the challenges that are out

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Speaker 13: there in the world today.

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Speaker 3: It is actually very strong.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of listeners will.

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Speaker 13: Be feeling anxious about what's going on in the world,

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Speaker 13: but less control.

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Speaker 15: What we can control.

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Speaker 13: And we have a fantastic future and we've got a

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Speaker 13: lot of potential that's got to get realized in this country.

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Speaker 2: And that's the exciting work ahead of us. Back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: at six am, the Mic asking Breakfast with the Defend

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Speaker 2: News Talk z'd be five away from five year on

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Speaker 2: news Talks. The wo'd be great to have your company.

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Speaker 2: I find this bizarre on white tonguey day. So we

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Speaker 2: will be going to the beach and over at NASA

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Speaker 2: they'll be launching a mission to the Moon. Fascinating, amazing,

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Speaker 2: like you know, it hasn't happened in fifty years. Great,

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Speaker 2: but they're they're not landing on the moon. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's a hell of a long way to go for

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Speaker 2: a drive flyby, isn't it. Why would you not? Why

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Speaker 2: would you go all that way and not land on

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Speaker 2: the moon. I'm trying. I'm struggling to get my head

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Speaker 2: around this, and I've been trying all day, which is

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Speaker 2: not uncommon for me actually just generally anyway, So we

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Speaker 2: landed on the moon six times between nonineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 2: and nineteen seventy two, we didn't had a look today.

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Speaker 2: Yes it happened, don't tell me it didn't. It happened

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Speaker 2: six times. And here we are with the Internet, with AI,

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Speaker 2: with computers, color TV. For goodness sakes, it was black

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Speaker 2: and white when all this was happening. Last time, we've

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Speaker 2: got smartphones, and fifty years on we have to do

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Speaker 2: a dummy run before we land there again in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. What's up with that? Seriously? Can someone explain

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Speaker 2: this to me? Why? Well, I had a look and

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Speaker 2: I went and did a little bit of research, which

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Speaker 2: you can do on the internet now. And that's health

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Speaker 2: and safety. It's the HR Department. So there's a woman

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Speaker 2: called Patti cassis Horn who is the deputy lead for

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Speaker 2: Mission Analysis and integrated Assessments. They wouldn't have had that

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Speaker 2: in the sixties, you know, just another job. Anyway. They say,

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Speaker 2: everything that we do is a bit risky, so we

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Speaker 2: want to make sure that the risk makes sense and

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Speaker 2: only accept the risk that we have to accept within reason.

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Speaker 2: That's the reason we're doing two trips with one landing

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Speaker 2: hopefully fingers crossed in twenty twenty eight. News Dogs he'd

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Speaker 2: be Simon Bridges Light.

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Speaker 1: Next, Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Brian Bridge on, Heather Duplicy Ellen,

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Speaker 1: Drive News Dogs they'd be good.

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Speaker 2: Evening to seven after five dread to have your company tonight.

656
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's State of the Nation's speech today was

657
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Speaker 2: at the new International Convention Center. No new policy announced,

658
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: no election date yet, but he is talking up the

659
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Speaker 2: economic recovery this year and he did that over the

660
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Speaker 2: course of about half an hour his speech. Simon Bridge

661
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Speaker 2: is the Auckland Business Chamber bosses with us now, Simon,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Hey, Ryan, Happy new Year, Happy new year.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show. How was it received?

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Speaker 2: How did it was a business community listening? How did

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Speaker 2: it go down?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 15: Look, I think very well, and you'd expect that from

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Speaker 15: that crowd. I think, you know, really good speech, really

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Speaker 15: well delivered, and a good sort of defense summation argument

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Speaker 15: of the last two years. If you're like, you know,

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Speaker 15: they've got the basics right. They've done a lot there

672
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Speaker 15: in law and order, a lot in education. He went

673
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Speaker 15: through that public the public sector reforms, some big stuff happening.

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Speaker 15: Can we save a reform? It's chunky NCA reform that's chunky.

675
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Speaker 15: RM reform, that's trunky. I think in terms of constructive criticism,

676
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Speaker 15: I think of the things I sort of heard, and

677
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Speaker 15: you know, I'm seeing potentially Prime Minister is still storing

678
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Speaker 15: up controversies for another day. You know, where is he

679
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Speaker 15: going to be exactly on that housing intensification stuff in Auckland,

680
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Speaker 15: the two million house and more houses. Foreign policy really

681
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Speaker 15: good at a high level, not there on the crunchy specifics.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 15: I think a lot hinges on the economy continuing to

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Speaker 15: go very well. I mean you've just made that point.

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Speaker 15: But higher echelons of business, I think at a level

686
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Speaker 15: can see it and feel it. But if you're the

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Speaker 15: struggling middle saying in Auckland, you know there wasn't a

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Speaker 15: lot there, you'd say, oh, well, that's that's what's coming

689
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Speaker 15: and that's what's there for me. And I think beyond that,

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Speaker 15: just you know, look, would have been nice to see

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Speaker 15: it a bit more vision, let alone, a bit more

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Speaker 15: plan for not just sort of here and now, but

693
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Speaker 15: for if there's another term, what that's going to look like.

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Speaker 15: I think that's what the business community, the struggling middle

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Speaker 15: actually new Zualanders would have wad see.

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Speaker 2: I know you're trying to be polite, Simon, but you

697
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Speaker 2: just gave us more in the constructive criticism category than

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Speaker 2: you did in the praise. And I think that's quite telling.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I think, look, it was a strong speech.

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Speaker 15: I think, as I say, strong on the last couple

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Speaker 15: of years. And you know, in a coalition environment, we

702
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Speaker 15: talked about that. I asked about that, MMP. You know,

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Speaker 15: it's the system we've got not easy. Frankly, he's got

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Speaker 15: his mates on either side of him. We have different views,

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Speaker 15: but actually they've achieved some stuff right, And I think

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Speaker 15: he laid that out very well. You know, he's made

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Speaker 15: clear he's ambitious around the economy. I'm just I suppose

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Speaker 15: all of the things I said in terms of that

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Speaker 15: constructive criticism to keep interesting, lively and give a sense

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Speaker 15: of what I think more we'd like to see is

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Speaker 15: we want to see some more coming. We want to

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Speaker 15: see a pipeline of you know, of strong detail work

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Speaker 15: to give us to give us even more hope. You know,

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Speaker 15: we see the indicators on the economy, but to give

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Speaker 15: us even here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem he's got is a lot of the

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Speaker 2: stuff it's back room stuff that they're like, it's important stuff,

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Speaker 2: you know, RMA review, the chunky stuff. It's like remodeling

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Speaker 2: a house. You do the inside. No one walking down

720
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Speaker 2: the street can see what you're doing on the inside

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Speaker 2: of the house, right, It's not until you paint the

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Speaker 2: outside and we go, oh, that's nice. But actually there's

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Speaker 2: important things happening under the hood.

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Speaker 15: I think that's right. And I look at a level.

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Speaker 15: I put that to him. I think, you know, again,

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Speaker 15: you say, last two years, you can see these long

727
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Speaker 15: term things. Can we save a Hey, that's going to

728
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Speaker 15: be good for New Zealand over what you know, thirty

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Speaker 15: forty years. NCAA reform good over twenty thirty years, RMA

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Speaker 15: reform the same. But you know, in the here and now, like,

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Speaker 15: what's what's over the next two years, what's over the

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Speaker 15: next three years? What are you doing right now? That's

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Speaker 15: where I just think, you know, we're I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 15: see more over the years, as you know, election year unfolds,

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Speaker 15: but they're just preps. Wasn't quite enough of that to

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Speaker 15: get us really excited?

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Speaker 2: Iman, Do you know what I think people want to

738
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Speaker 2: see from him? I think they want to see just

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Speaker 2: him do something bold and different and surprise us. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think if there's a criticism of this government, it's

741
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Speaker 2: that there's sort of over promise and maybe under deliver.

742
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Speaker 2: So let's you know, under promise and over deliver. I

743
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Speaker 2: think they should do do an election and do it soon.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 15: Oh no, I think you know, well, it's an interesting theory.

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Speaker 15: I can't see that myself. You know, if it comes

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Speaker 15: out and it's sort of I don't know, twenty first

748
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Speaker 15: of journe or something, I'll be very surprised. But maybe

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Speaker 15: you had to that you're right there. I mean that

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Speaker 15: they'll want to see the economy continuing to prove look

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Speaker 15: short of you know, a bunch of international things, which

752
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Speaker 15: by the way, could happen. Sure of that, that's that's

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Speaker 15: likely they want to see. They've got the convention Center open,

754
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Speaker 15: they want to see the CRL open. They want to

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Speaker 15: see some of those things. So I can see the

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Speaker 15: logic for that, I mean to your point around the premise.

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Speaker 15: So in the end's let's remember what this guy is.

758
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Speaker 15: He's a very successful business leader. What's that about. That's

759
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Speaker 15: about being predictable, that's about kind of some of that stuff.

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Speaker 15: I think you know, I as you as you and

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Speaker 15: I both know. I've always been a bit more on

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Speaker 15: the let slap some red meat out on the table.

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Speaker 15: And I've said to you, you know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 15: we've we quite saw that, no but on the barbecue.

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Speaker 15: But you know, I do think I think we'll see

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Speaker 15: policy development over the course of the year. I mean

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Speaker 15: this Auckland housing intensis vacation stuff's coming, and plenty more

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Speaker 15: must be yars.

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Speaker 2: A bit of a U turn coming and coming. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate that. Simon Bridge's former labor leader, current boss of

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Speaker 2: the Auckland Business Chamber. It's twelve minutes after five. Nicola

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Speaker 2: willis with us after six. By the way, on all

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Speaker 2: of this and on the recovery, we had some signs

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Speaker 2: today of a rebound for residential construction. This is stats

775
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Speaker 2: in z numbers three and a half thousand new dwellings.

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Speaker 2: This is the whole country in November twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: That's up thirteen and a half percent compared with the

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Speaker 2: same month of the previous year, up eighteen point nine

779
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Speaker 2: percent compared to the year before that. This is the

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Speaker 2: fourth month in a row that we have the number

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Speaker 2: going in the right direction. Some might call that a trend.

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Speaker 2: Ran Bridge, you're on news Talk ZB it is twelve

783
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Speaker 2: minutes after five. Good news. Even in this cost of

784
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Speaker 2: living crisis, the price of one commodity is actually coming down.

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Speaker 2: The bad news it's myth. According to the latest Drugs

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Speaker 2: Trends survey, the price of myth is continuing to sink

787
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Speaker 2: like a stone to what researchers are calling scary levels now.

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Speaker 2: Professor Chris Wilkins from the Massive University New Zealand Drugs

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Speaker 2: Research teams with us. Good evening, Chris, Good even supply

790
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Speaker 2: increasing price coming down.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, So, as you said, we're looking at a forty

792
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Speaker 9: one percent decline in the price of a gram of myth,

793
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Speaker 9: and if we adjust that for inflation, it's actually a

794
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Speaker 9: fifty five percent decline. So, as you said, in a

795
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Speaker 9: cost of living crisis, when everything else going up, myth

796
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Speaker 9: is actually halved. In the lasts since twenty seventeen.

797
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Speaker 2: Are the same people using it more or are new

798
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Speaker 2: people using it?

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Speaker 9: Well? Again, we're our Finding Center suggests it's actually, as

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Speaker 9: in any economic commodity, when the price has and you're

801
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Speaker 9: a current user of that product, you tend to use more,

802
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Speaker 9: and so we're finding a higher frequency of use rather

803
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Speaker 9: than an increase in what we call the prevalence of use,

804
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Speaker 9: which is the number of users. So it seems that

805
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Speaker 9: it's just current users are using more because the price

806
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Speaker 9: is cheaper.

807
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Speaker 2: Right, and MDMA and LSD use is going down. Why

808
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Speaker 2: are they all on more?

809
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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, New Zealand seeds, I mean the meth

810
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Speaker 9: situation math consumption doubled in twenty fourteen and it stayed

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Speaker 9: at that level all through two thousand and fifteen. In

812
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Speaker 9: twenty twenty five, so basically the meth amphetamine is dwarving

813
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Speaker 9: all the other drug trends. So we've seen emerging cocaine

814
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Speaker 9: use and people are reporting the availability of increase significantly,

815
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Speaker 9: but the use of that, the frequency use of cocaine

816
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Speaker 9: is still fairly low and the price is very high. Meanwhile,

817
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Speaker 9: as you said, LSD and MDMA are really plateaued, and

818
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Speaker 9: that's kind of interesting given that people are starting to

819
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Speaker 9: think about or talk about the therapeutic use of those jokes.

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Speaker 2: Chris, appreciate your time. Chris Wilkins with US who's mass

821
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Speaker 2: University of news Ond Drugs research team. It is quarter

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Speaker 2: past five. Brian Bridge I'd like to take this opportunity

823
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Speaker 2: to apologize to Simon Bridges, who I mistakenly called a

824
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Speaker 2: former labor leader as.

825
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Speaker 4: By apologies.

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Speaker 2: Now you know Trump and his board that's going to

827
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Speaker 2: govern Gaza, this amazing idea that's definitely going to work

828
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Speaker 2: and there'll be no more wars in the Middle East

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Speaker 2: that one, and Tony Blair is going to be on it. Well,

830
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Speaker 2: he's given invitations to We're actually not sure how many

831
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Speaker 2: leaders around the world, but he has given an invitation

832
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Speaker 2: to none other than Christopher Luxen to be on the

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Speaker 2: board to govern Gaza. I know, would you accept it? Well,

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's off has said that he has welcomed

835
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the next phase of the peace plan

836
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Speaker 2: for Gaza and will give due consideration to being on

837
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Speaker 2: the board. So he might have a new job trying

838
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Speaker 2: to sort out peace in the Middle East, which would

839
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Speaker 2: be quite a big job indeed. And of course, if

840
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Speaker 2: you want to stay in the job for longer than

841
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Speaker 2: I think it's a year, then you have to make

842
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Speaker 2: this is according to Bloomberg reporting of Donald Trump, you

843
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Speaker 2: have to make a cash contribution to the efforts of

844
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Speaker 2: a billion US dollars. So not that expensive. Sixteen after

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Speaker 2: five news talk said, b it's eighteen minutes after five. Well,

846
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Speaker 2: a bit of news out of Huntley. Actually, this is

847
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Speaker 2: an American firm wants to get involved with gas out

848
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Speaker 2: of Huntley that in the second first chocolate get ready

849
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Speaker 2: for synthetic stuff potentially. A new report into the state

850
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Speaker 2: of the global chocolate industry is found that confectionery giants,

851
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Speaker 2: all your big ones, scrambling for alternatives to cocoa beans.

852
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Speaker 2: The main ingredient in our chocolate is becoming rarer and

853
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Speaker 2: rear it to come by, shooting prices up to above

854
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Speaker 2: double what they were in twenty twenty three. You'll know

855
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Speaker 2: this story from last year. But now businesses like Cabri Hershey's,

856
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Speaker 2: they're looking into lab grown coco is an alternative, whole

857
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Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. Paul Jewels is Rubbobanks research channels with us. Paul,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon. Hi, How you doing very well? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: So what's making it so hard to get our hands

860
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Speaker 2: on cocoa beans?

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Speaker 14: So the reason we've got these very very high chop

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Speaker 14: prices is all to do with that main ingredient, coco.

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Speaker 14: What we've seen over the past couple of years is

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Speaker 14: cocoa prices they reached all time highs. So just to

865
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Speaker 14: give you a bit of an idea, coco prices typically

866
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Speaker 14: trading around about two three thousand US dollars a ton,

867
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Speaker 14: they went all the way up to eleven thousand US

868
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Speaker 14: dollars a ton. We had a lot of production issues

869
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Speaker 14: take place and as a result, that led to less

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Speaker 14: coco in the world and higher prices.

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Speaker 2: And what's what we're as why the shortage.

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Speaker 14: So the shortage really occurred because where you have most

873
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Speaker 14: of the product West Africa. You have two countries and

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Speaker 14: they produce about sixty percent of the world's cocco. So

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Speaker 14: that's Garner an Ivory coast. What we saw take place

876
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Speaker 14: over the past few seasons was very bad weather. We

877
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Speaker 14: saw a number of different issues as well. We also

878
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Speaker 14: saw a lot of tree disease that led to a big,

879
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Speaker 14: big drop in yields and overall production and production was

880
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Speaker 14: historically really really low.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, is that an issue that will recover or

882
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Speaker 2: that clearly these big companies don't think it is, otherwise

883
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't be piling all this money into alternates.

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Speaker 14: Is that truck So to some extent, yes, but at

885
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Speaker 14: the same time, we are actually seeing a bit of

886
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Speaker 14: a recovery already. It's that classic case of high prices

887
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Speaker 14: curing high prices. So producers have been given the signal

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Speaker 14: to really try and ramp up production of coco. Because

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Speaker 14: they've got these very very good prices, they can make

890
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Speaker 14: quite a lot more money than they typically would because

891
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Speaker 14: of that extra production. We're now starting to see online

892
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Speaker 14: we are seeing a bit of a decrease in price,

893
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Speaker 14: so we've seen price is probably about half from their peak,

894
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Speaker 14: but they're still historically really really high.

895
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Speaker 2: Okay, can you tell the difference that they're going into

896
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Speaker 2: lab grown cocoa beans or lab grown chocolate?

897
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Speaker 12: Is it?

898
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Speaker 2: Can you tell the difference when you taste it?

899
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Speaker 14: Yeah, So again it's a bit of a mix to

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Speaker 14: you on this one. So if you look at the

901
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Speaker 14: lab grown stuff, probably with that that they're really trying

902
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Speaker 14: to make it more or less identical because you're actually

903
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Speaker 14: replicating the cocoa bean itself. The issue of the lab

904
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Speaker 14: grown cocoa, though, is that's actually nowhere near commercialization. It's

905
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Speaker 14: a really really expensive process. So there's probably very few

906
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Speaker 14: people in the world who've actually tasted lab grown cocoa

907
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Speaker 14: that the more interesting one is actually fermentation, So that's

908
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Speaker 14: transforming plants based inputs such as oats, seeds, faber beans, barley,

909
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Speaker 14: grape seeds, for example, and mixing those together to get

910
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Speaker 14: a chocolate like taste or chocolate like ingredients. With that one,

911
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Speaker 14: they've said that the taste can be a little bit different,

912
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Speaker 14: it can be a bit more sour if they don't

913
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Speaker 14: quite get the fermentation right. And it's not necessarily a

914
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Speaker 14: direct replacement for a typical chocolate bar. It would more

915
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Speaker 14: be used in fillings and other chocolate like.

916
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Speaker 2: Ingredients because also it wouldn't be brown, would it.

917
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Speaker 14: Yeah, exactly. It would certainly probably have a bit of

918
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Speaker 14: a different profile, a bit of a different appearance and taste,

919
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Speaker 14: So yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be a like

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Speaker 14: so like substitution for sure.

921
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Speaker 2: Does this a fit coffee as well?

922
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Speaker 14: We're not really seeing it to the same extent with coffee,

923
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Speaker 14: and to be honest, even with coco, and you know,

924
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Speaker 14: we can talk about coffee as well here. If we

925
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Speaker 14: are seeing this to any degree, very very small in

926
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Speaker 14: terms of the total market share. The focus is still

927
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Speaker 14: very much on the typical tree crops. These are very

928
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Speaker 14: much infancy projects and developments that we're seeing very very

929
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Speaker 14: small part of the market.

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Speaker 2: Paul, appreciate your time this evening. Thank you. Paul Joel's

931
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Speaker 2: Rabobank research analyst with us. So basically the moral of

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Speaker 2: the story is go before you eat your chocolate, go

933
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Speaker 2: and check the ingredients and on the back if it

934
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Speaker 2: says something to the effect of chocolate like ingredient, it's

935
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Speaker 2: not chocolate, is it. It's just not chocolate. Twenty three

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Speaker 2: After five News Talks B will go around the world.

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Speaker 3: Next the name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy elan Drive with one

939
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Speaker 1: New Zealand coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks NB five twenty six. Great to have your company. Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it should be controversial to say that

942
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Speaker 2: America expanding its footprint in the world is better than

943
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Speaker 2: Russia or China doing it. Think about it. Over the

944
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Speaker 2: past decade, China's been swallowing up pretty much any ashole

945
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Speaker 2: it can get its hands on. In the South China Sea.

946
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Speaker 2: It's even been dredging sand up from the bottom of

947
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Speaker 2: the ocean to expand islands so that they can be

948
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Speaker 2: big enough for military infrastructure. They'll probably take Taiwan soon.

949
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Speaker 2: They've subdued Hong Kong, whipped it into line. Russia annexed Crimea,

950
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Speaker 2: it's now doing Ukraine. All of these things are bad.

951
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Speaker 2: They are signs of imperialism, expansion, dominance, and from dictators.

952
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Speaker 2: Let's not forget that. But I've never heard so much

953
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Speaker 2: pushback as I have for America doing the same thing,

954
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Speaker 2: even though America is the closest thing politically to US

955
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Speaker 2: a democracy for now. Trump may not like it, but

956
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Speaker 2: he can be voted out as president. She and Putin

957
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Speaker 2: can't quite an important distinction. I would have thought. Does

958
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Speaker 2: that mean I think it's great that he's threatening economic

959
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Speaker 2: armageddon over Greenland?

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Speaker 12: No?

961
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Speaker 2: Is it cool he's taken Venezuela. Well No, not really.

962
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Speaker 2: These are short term decisions with long term consequences, and

963
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Speaker 2: really does intervention actually work out well? But this idea

964
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Speaker 2: America expanding its footprint in the world is somehow worse

965
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Speaker 2: than Russia or China doing the same thing, I think

966
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Speaker 2: is a little misguided. If one of the three had

967
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Speaker 2: to rule the world, wouldn't you want Trump in charge?

968
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Speaker 2: I know it's a crazy thing to say, but isn't

969
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Speaker 2: it true? And all of this sort of naive nonsense

970
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Speaker 2: about the rule of law and international rules based system,

971
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Speaker 2: give me a break. Russia and China haven't been playing

972
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Speaker 2: by those rules for years, and when they do play

973
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Speaker 2: by those rules, it's more for show than anything else.

974
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Speaker 2: Heather and bread Rich by the way, that is a

975
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Speaker 2: good interlude. Actually ants for me to tell you that

976
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Speaker 2: here that we'll be with you from next tuesday. She's

977
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Speaker 2: having a well she's still away on summer break, so

978
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Speaker 2: here that we be back next tuesday. I will be

979
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Speaker 2: back on Monday next week on early edition from five o'clock,

980
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Speaker 2: also with Herald Now some news on that later this week,

981
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Speaker 2: by the way, But of course I'll be here with

982
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Speaker 2: you on Drive all week through till Friday evening, which

983
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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to. We'll be back after news. Josie

984
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Speaker 2: Pagani and Trish hir Cherson are with us on the huddle. Trish,

985
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Speaker 2: by the way, was at the speech today. She's got

986
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Speaker 2: the details.

987
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Speaker 6: You said my heart from.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 1: your car on your drive home.

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Speaker 3: It's Ryan Bridge on here.

991
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Speaker 1: The dupers Ellen Drive with One New Zealand had the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news talksb.

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Speaker 6: Hatred just a little more, I've a better ask you

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Speaker 6: a little more.

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Speaker 2: Away the sexier on news talks. Be great to have

996
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Speaker 2: your company. We'll get to Nichola Willis's finance minister after

997
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Speaker 2: six on the show, of Course, and Joseph Bucganny and

998
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Speaker 2: try Sheerson standing by for the huddle. Rachel Hunter is

999
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Speaker 2: today being revealed as the first contestant on a very

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Speaker 2: popular celebrity reality TV show in the Jungle. She is

1001
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Speaker 2: going to be on this season of Australia's I'm a Celebrity,

1002
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Speaker 2: Get Me out of Here.

1003
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Speaker 16: Hi, I'm Rachel Hunter And as you may have guessed, yes,

1004
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Speaker 16: I am going into the jungle. What I am dreading

1005
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Speaker 16: the most is definitely the encounters with their animals. We've

1006
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Speaker 16: got to remember, guys, I am a New Zealander and

1007
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Speaker 16: we don't have anything too scary at home, so I

1008
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Speaker 16: would say definitely the animals that I'm going to be

1009
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Speaker 16: encountering around the camp. So fingers crossed.

1010
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Speaker 2: That does not have been good on you, Rachel. I've

1011
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Speaker 2: always wondered what they get paid to do that, because

1012
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: it's not one of the charity things or is it.

1013
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a charity one, so they must

1014
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Speaker 2: get paid. I'm assuming a good amount of money, because

1015
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Speaker 2: why she need publicity. She's Rachel Hunter. You know the

1016
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Speaker 2: number to text twenty three away.

1017
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Speaker 3: From six Ryan Bridge.

1018
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Speaker 2: Coster Living is still front and center for workers right now,

1019
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Speaker 2: and no politician is really flavor of the month. This

1020
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Speaker 2: is according to the ctu's Mood of the Workforce Survey.

1021
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Speaker 2: CTU polls three and a half thousand union nonnion members

1022
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Speaker 2: earlier in the month. The findings even full time workers

1023
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Speaker 2: are struggling to afford the basics. The prevailing mood towards

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Speaker 2: politicians is one of distrust and anger. Sandra Gray is

1025
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Speaker 2: the CTU president, with me this evening and.

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Speaker 17: Evening, good evening.

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Speaker 2: So look, no one comes out of this really shining,

1028
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Speaker 2: do they.

1029
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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 17: We see a real sense of anger and disappointment towards

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Speaker 17: the current Prime Minister and his cabinet. People feel exceptionally

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Speaker 17: let down by them, think that they are only looking

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Speaker 17: after their wealthy mates and not looking after workers. But

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Speaker 17: for all political parties, I think there's a message in

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Speaker 17: there that says people want bold politicians who will actually

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Speaker 17: do something about making sure that order neary workers have

1037
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Speaker 17: a great life and they aren't giving anyone the big

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Speaker 17: ticke at the moment. They're saying there's lots of work

1039
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Speaker 17: to be done.

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Speaker 2: I think look, I think a lot of people will

1041
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Speaker 2: take the survey with a bit of a grain of

1042
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Speaker 2: salt because it is the unions. But you know, just

1043
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Speaker 2: talking to people everyday, people in New Zealand, there is

1044
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Speaker 2: a sense that things are so expensive now and actually

1045
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Speaker 2: they're never going to get cheaper. You know, like this

1046
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Speaker 2: is not a short term problem, it's a medium, long

1047
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Speaker 2: term problem, affordability issue that we've got, and not just us,

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Speaker 2: but other countries like us around the world.

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Speaker 17: Certainly, what you get is a sense that the future

1050
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Speaker 17: does not look rosy for workers in terms of does

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Speaker 17: this genuinely affect workers. Other surveys out, other data out

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Speaker 17: would say this is exactly how people are feeling about,

1053
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Speaker 17: particularly this government. So it is a very strong result.

1054
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Speaker 17: I think the thing is that year on year it

1055
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Speaker 17: feels like it's getting worse. So you know, about sixty

1056
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Speaker 17: percent of the survey, as you say, both union and

1057
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Speaker 17: non union members the same, they've fallen behind. They just

1058
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Speaker 17: aren't affording the things they used to and when we

1059
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Speaker 17: talk about the things that people can't afford, housing, healthcare

1060
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Speaker 17: is really problematic to get access to because it all

1061
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Speaker 17: what cuts the public service. And of course food people

1062
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Speaker 17: are saying I just can't buy the sort of nutritious

1063
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Speaker 17: food I want for my kids because it's just got

1064
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Speaker 17: so expensive. So we feel it every day. We hear

1065
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Speaker 17: it every day from our friends and our family members.

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Speaker 17: And now three and a half thousand people have spoken

1067
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Speaker 17: and said this is tough.

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Speaker 9: It is tough out again.

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Speaker 2: Sandra Gray, who is with the c to you appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. It's twenty away from six the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southby's International Realty, a name you can

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Speaker 1: trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: Trish Hurson Huson Willis pr is with us on the

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Speaker 2: Huddle tonight, Trish good evening, Hello, Ryan and Joseph Bugarani,

1075
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Speaker 2: CEO of Child Fund. Jose Good evening to you, Hello

1076
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Speaker 2: and happy New Year. Nice to have you both on

1077
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Speaker 2: the show to kick us off.

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Speaker 18: Are we not past that yet? We must be pasted

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Speaker 18: saying Happy New Year.

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Speaker 19: Someone said to me today it's it's Valentine's Day? Is

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Speaker 19: the cutoff?

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Speaker 2: Which I felt? Oh, we've got anniverse. Well surely white

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Speaker 2: on your day?

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Speaker 19: How many hm wys can you put an emails? I'm

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Speaker 19: thinking I've been I've been back a day and I've

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Speaker 19: already at my limits.

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Speaker 2: Overwhelmed.

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Speaker 19: I'm overwhelmed.

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Speaker 2: Right, were you overwhelmed? Underwhelmed feelings about the state of

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Speaker 2: the nation because you went to the speech today, didn't you? Trish?

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Speaker 19: I went to the speech today. It was at the

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Speaker 19: brand new New Zealand International con Anson Center, which don't forget,

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Speaker 19: was the brainchild of Christopher Luxon's political hero John Key

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Speaker 19: many years late.

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Speaker 15: But I have to say.

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Speaker 19: One of the highlights was actually seeing the NZ in

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Speaker 19: ICC today. It looked fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I think you went to a state of the nation

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Speaker 2: address by the country's leader and your takeaway was the building.

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Speaker 19: Well, you know, sometimes during your speech you need to

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Speaker 19: look at the carpet and the drakes and things as

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Speaker 19: you sort of your eyes dripped around the rover. But

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Speaker 19: but no meal was great. I tell you what I

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Speaker 19: do worry about though, when I when I go to

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Speaker 19: things like this, I'm always very sympathetic to the plants

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Speaker 19: that get wheeled out on the stage as a backdrop.

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Speaker 19: You know, they they always look sort of a bit.

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Speaker 19: I know, it's a tough gig for those background plants.

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Speaker 19: It really is how do you do you stand out?

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Speaker 6: Do you look?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 19: Do you how do you keep a straight face through it? Anyway,

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Speaker 19: no au jokes aside. Here's here's the interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: Is there one there?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well there is?

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Speaker 19: It Actually funny enough. This was a very sober corporate

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Speaker 19: crowd and I and I don't just mean because of

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Speaker 19: the seriousness of where we're at. I looked around the

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Speaker 19: room and those big tables covered in wineglasses, not one full, right,

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Speaker 19: So everyone went along today This is not a fun outing.

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Speaker 19: This was a serious event to kind of sniff the

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Speaker 19: breeze and see.

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Speaker 2: What the vibe was.

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Speaker 19: Overall, my view of Luxeon in his speech, he was energized,

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Speaker 19: he looked fresh. But the feedback that I got from

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Speaker 19: those who I spoke to afterwards was that the speech

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Speaker 19: was repetitive. So it's a continuation of of of that

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Speaker 19: sort of mode that Chris Philickson has where he has

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Speaker 19: two or three sort of you know, sayings or slogans

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Speaker 19: get ready this year for fixing the basics and setting

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Speaker 19: the foundation for growth. He described it as a mantra

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Speaker 19: and we are going to hear that ad nauseum. Very

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Speaker 19: little that was new or material in the speech except

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Speaker 19: a couple of things that stood out to me. One

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Speaker 19: was the sort of wedge for other political parties in

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Speaker 19: the Prime Minister saying there is no room this year

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Speaker 19: for any extravagant election promises. So he wasn't only speaking

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Speaker 19: to national he was actually putting a warning out to

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Speaker 19: other parties into voters. If you think of promises is

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Speaker 19: too good, it probably is because as we all know,

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Speaker 19: you know, the country is still in pretty dire financial circumstances.

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Speaker 19: He gave a very interesting and in my view, sort

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Speaker 19: of his fresh take on on where New Zealand is

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Speaker 19: sitting and what is changing for us because of the

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Speaker 19: international geopolitical situation. But he only mentioned putin once, no

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Speaker 19: mention of Trump whatsoever, in fact studiously avoided that. And

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Speaker 19: then his big cell was on the three things we

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Speaker 19: already know, which are changes to keep we SA, changes

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Speaker 19: to the RIMA, and getting rid of the NCA. So

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Speaker 19: safe and repetitive really is how I would sum it up.

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Speaker 2: Safe and repetitive. Gosh, what a raging endorsement. Joseie.

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Speaker 18: Your thoughts oh, thank god for the pop plants. I mean,

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Speaker 18: when we spent the first five minutes talking about the

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Speaker 18: pot plants, it doesn't really fill you with confidence that

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Speaker 18: this has been a searingly memorable to Chilean speech, does it?

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Speaker 18: And I do think, I mean I listened to some

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Speaker 18: of it, and I've read the reports of it too.

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Speaker 18: I agree, Trisha, but it seemed to be kind of

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Speaker 18: dated as a message when I looked back to our

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Speaker 18: huddle last year this time last year, it was the

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Speaker 18: year of growth, and we all know that the year

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Speaker 18: of growth ended up not being the year of growth

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Speaker 18: but being the year of the organogram. You know, there

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Speaker 18: was lots of sort of restructuring with science and research

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Speaker 18: and so on, so there has been some stuff done,

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Speaker 18: but it just feels like this whole message of reset

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Speaker 18: the economy, fixed the basics feels quite dated and there

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00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 18: wasn't really enough there about well what will the future

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Speaker 18: look like? And I think Simon Bridges sum this up.

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Speaker 18: You know, people want to know not just what you're

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Speaker 18: going to do now, but what's the next term look like?

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Speaker 18: If we had the same government. And he does have

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Speaker 18: a style problem, he talks with this sort of you know,

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Speaker 18: he talks spreadsheet rather than human. It's all about PMI

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 18: indicators and over gall and green shoots and so on,

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Speaker 18: and he sort of loses the room. Rather than talking

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Speaker 18: about I want your wages to go up, I want

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Speaker 18: prices to go down, I want kids not to be hungry,

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Speaker 18: and I want more hospital operations. You don't get that

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Speaker 18: kind of granula talking to people as humans. You just

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Speaker 18: get this sort of spreadsheet talk.

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Speaker 2: All of this is not to say that he would

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Speaker 2: lose an election. The big question now, of course, is

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Speaker 2: what date will that be held? Will debate that next?

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Speaker 2: Tritiusen and Josie b BEGANI on the Huddle.

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Speaker 2: Living away from six News talks to be so Wednesday

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Speaker 2: we'll find out. You're on the huddle, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Tristius and Josie Bigani. Wednesday we find out the election date.

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Speaker 2: And I just made the point earlier on the show

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Speaker 2: Josie that because last year we were all saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: they should go as late as possible, wait till the

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Speaker 2: economy improves. But I was just thinking about over the

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Speaker 2: summer you've got all this international stuff going on, more

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Speaker 2: tariffs and threats and blah blund and geopolitics. Should he

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Speaker 2: do something bold and should he come out and say

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Speaker 2: I'm going to the polls early, I'm going to the

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Speaker 2: polls and end of July, start of August. You know,

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Speaker 2: are people going to warm to him between July and November?

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01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: Are people going to feel materially better off over the

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Speaker 2: course of those three months? Or is the political calculation? Now,

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Speaker 2: let's actually stop the Winston Seymour side show from going

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Speaker 2: on too long. Let's punce while the Maldi parties in

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Speaker 2: disarray and go a bit early and do something a

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Speaker 2: bit bold but different but surprising for the electric thoughts.

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Speaker 18: He'd be crazy to do that, though, Ryan. I mean,

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Speaker 18: if he's only got from January to say June, you're

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Speaker 18: saying a journal election, he's got even less time to

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Speaker 18: make us think that he's that he's got some vision

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Speaker 18: and he's got something to say about the next election.

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Speaker 17: And I think, what you what I mean?

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Speaker 18: You imagine if it was basically a two year term,

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Speaker 18: is what we'd have then if we went because everything

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Speaker 18: would just gear up for the election in June, and

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Speaker 18: you know, we'd lose a year. So when we're unstable

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Speaker 18: enough with three year terms, I reckon, we just don't

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01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 18: want to do that. But but so I don't think

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Speaker 18: he will do it either, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Now, he won't do it.

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Speaker 3: Need no.

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Speaker 18: But the one thing I would say, one of the

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Speaker 18: things I wanted to point out about the speech is

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Speaker 18: that the indication is that he's going to make the

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Speaker 18: election about the RMA, about about the changes to the RMA,

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Speaker 18: and there are risks for national and labor with that,

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Speaker 18: which I think is really interesting because the Nats are

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Speaker 18: splitting on development, so you know, Beash and christ Bishop

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Speaker 18: and that lot want to build fast, get things done,

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Speaker 18: you know, hurry up. And then you've got the anti

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Speaker 18: housing intensification side of the right where Act won't support

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Speaker 18: intensification in Auckland and so on. And then in labor

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Speaker 18: you've got the same split where you've got the kind

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Speaker 18: of hands off degrowths, don't do anything to the environment,

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Speaker 18: and then you've got that versus sort of abundance, get

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Speaker 18: out and build stuff. That's the new idea on the left.

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Speaker 18: So it's going to be that's going to be really

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Speaker 18: interesting that issue becomes the election issue.

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Speaker 19: Well, I thought you were being unnecessarily provocative of your

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Speaker 19: first day back. Snap elections in New Zealand Man are

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Speaker 19: very rare and they usually smell like trouble. So fifty

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Speaker 19: one it was Sid Holland went to the election early,

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Speaker 19: and what that was was a reaction to the waterfront

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Speaker 19: strikes and he was rarely back me.

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Speaker 11: Or sack me.

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Speaker 2: Hollie Clark did it, Helen.

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Speaker 19: Clark did in two thousand and two, and then of

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Speaker 19: course you had Muldoon in eighty four. But both of

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Speaker 19: those were about actually chaos or a breakdown in their

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Speaker 19: own government and inability to have the numbers. So that's

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Speaker 19: why I say it really signals a lack of control

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Speaker 19: rather than leadership. So I don't think there's any way

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Speaker 19: that Luxelm will do it. And don't forget this election

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Speaker 19: is going to be about the economy, and what National

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Speaker 19: is banking on is that by the time we get

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Speaker 19: to November, people will feel materially better off in their

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Speaker 19: back pocket and they'll be willing to give them a second.

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Speaker 2: They reward National or the Coalition for that.

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Speaker 19: Well, here's I think this is the twist for this election.

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Speaker 19: Don't forget this election. This election is the it's the

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Speaker 19: thirtieth anniversary election of MMP, which the first MMP election

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Speaker 19: was in nineteen ninety six, and this is the first

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Speaker 19: MMP government I can remember where the major party will

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Speaker 19: have to work the hardest in terms of differentiating itself

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Speaker 19: different and selling its value to the electorate. Normally, what

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Speaker 19: has happened in all of the m MP elections is

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Speaker 19: at this stage the minor parties who are propping up,

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Speaker 19: you know, a major party in the coalition, they are

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Speaker 19: blinking in and out of the five percent. There's a

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Speaker 19: question on whether or not they'll make it back because

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Speaker 19: it's normally very hard for them to sell their value

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Speaker 19: this time around. New Zealand First particularly and ACT are

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Speaker 19: looking like their poll numbers may potentially increase on last time,

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Speaker 19: whereas National is down in the in the low thirties.

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Speaker 18: Yea yeah, And how interesting that in his speech today

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Speaker 18: Trish that he didn't mention Labor once, but he did

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Speaker 18: mention Shane Jones by name, So not even just New

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Speaker 18: Zealand First, but Shane Jones. So they clearly see the

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Speaker 18: threat from New Zealand First, I think, but of you know,

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Speaker 18: being kind of bold and brash and saying yep. Let's

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Speaker 18: let's get the oil and gas going. Let's do this,

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Speaker 18: let's mine, let's build, let's get stuff done. So you're

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Speaker 18: absolutely right, they're seeing the threat from their smaller coalition

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Speaker 18: parties rather than from labor.

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Speaker 2: Trisruson Jace Bigarani on the Huddle tonight. Good to have

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Speaker 2: News TALKSB. It is four minutes away from Sex. After Sex,

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Speaker 2: we're into the business hour. Lots to discuss as well.

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Speaker 2: There was actually some quite exciting news today re Huntley.

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Speaker 2: This American owned oil and gas company. Company's name is

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Speaker 2: jet X. They've applied to drill for gas near the

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Speaker 2: power station in Huntley. And you might remember this was

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Speaker 2: an idea Solid Energy was going to get into this

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Speaker 2: and then obviously now defunct Solid Energy they went twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Gas exploration hopes kind of went in the bin there. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: there is a permit. It'll be for two wells, with

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Speaker 2: a commitment to begin drilling within three years of approval

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Speaker 2: if it goes through. Then you can let you know competitors,

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Speaker 2: competing companies. They have three months after that to put

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Speaker 2: their bids in to win the contract. But the upside

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Speaker 2: of all of this is that hopefully someone will win

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Speaker 2: a contract and start exploring. Three to six. Yeah, talks

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Speaker 1: Where business com meets inside the business hours with rain

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Speaker 1: Bridge and Mass.

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Speaker 3: Insurance and investments. Your futures in good hands, news talks.

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Speaker 2: There be good evening at a seven after six. Great

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Speaker 2: to have your company coming up. We'll get to Shane

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Speaker 2: solely with the market updates. We will talk to Cath O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: This is Border airline representatives about this push to get

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven coverage at Ohakia air Base back

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Speaker 2: up airport for the country if you will. And Gavin

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Speaker 2: Gray's in the UK for us full top they are

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Speaker 2: right now. It's Nicola Willis the Finance Minsterlive. Good evening,

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Speaker 2: good evening right. I hope you had a wonderful summer.

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Speaker 2: How how was the beach?

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Speaker 20: We were blessed by the weather gods run so it

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Speaker 20: was really fantastic and in fact my twelve year old

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Speaker 20: said to us in the car on the way back, Mum,

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Speaker 20: I think this is the best summer holiday we've ever had.

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Speaker 20: So that's a good review.

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Speaker 2: That's very cute, very good. You've had a good one then,

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Speaker 2: and ready to get into the new year. What is

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Speaker 2: this the year of by the way, because it was

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Speaker 2: growth last year although it wasn't really, what is it

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Speaker 2: this year?

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 20: I think this is the year of growth and New

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Speaker 20: Zealand staying the course by re electing a national lead

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Speaker 20: government so that we can reap the rewards of all

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Speaker 20: of the hard work that collectively our country has been doing.

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Speaker 2: So it's growth again, is that because last year didn't

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Speaker 2: I mean there wasn't much, So this year we're hoping

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Speaker 2: for more of that.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, And look last year in the calendar year, the

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Speaker 20: economy grew as a whole. But this year we want

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Speaker 20: to see more of it. So we see more job creation,

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Speaker 20: more opportunities for Keiwis to get ahead. That is what

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Speaker 20: we want to see. And that we've fixed the basics.

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Speaker 20: We've put them in place now and the economy is

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Speaker 20: showing real signs of progress and we want every key

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Speaker 20: family to feel that and their job security and their

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Speaker 20: options and their ability to grow their own nesty their

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Speaker 20: own income. So that's what our government's completely focused on.

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Speaker 2: And every time this happens, Trump comes down and uses

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Speaker 2: the TA word again, and then you just go, you

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Speaker 2: put your head in your hands and you can just

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Speaker 2: shut up.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: Well, look, we as a government have to focus on

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Speaker 20: the things we can control and not be swayed by

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Speaker 20: the things that are frankly outside of our control. And

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Speaker 20: I think New Zealanders should take some confidence from the

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Speaker 20: fact that relative to many other countries in the world,

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Speaker 20: we're actually pretty well placed. We're exporting food that everyone wants,

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Speaker 20: We've got tourists who want to come here, we've got

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Speaker 20: an economy that people want to invest in. All of

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Speaker 20: the countries in the world right now, many of which

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Speaker 20: are set by conflict and problems, we're a pretty great

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Speaker 20: place to be.

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Speaker 2: So why does it feel like it?

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Speaker 20: I think that the recovery has been slower to come

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Speaker 20: than any of us would have wished it to be,

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Speaker 20: and so New Zealanders have had to hold on tight

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Speaker 20: for a long time. We had that period of really

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Speaker 20: high inflation and high interestrates during COVID and everyone went right,

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Speaker 20: let's fix it immediately, and it has taken some time

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Speaker 20: to fix. But as we see that growth that we

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Speaker 20: saw in the third quarter of last year, as we

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Speaker 20: see businesses more confident. We've got now the highest levels

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Speaker 20: of business confidence since twenty fourteen. What we should see

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Speaker 20: is that resulting and more jobs being created, more firms

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Speaker 20: able to offer a pay rise, people feeling more confident

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Speaker 20: about spending money at their local business and their local shops.

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Speaker 20: And that's when growth really feels real for you.

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Speaker 3: You've day, Look, I.

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Speaker 2: Completely agree with you. I think we're bottomed out. We're

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Speaker 2: on the way up this thing for so if for

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Speaker 2: no other reason than what goes down must come up,

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Speaker 2: it's going to happen. It's happening. It is happening.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, that's right. But I think we're always conscious that

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Speaker 20: it's a mixed experience. So some people will be really

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Speaker 20: feeling it already, others that won't have caught up with

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Speaker 20: them yet, and so it's one of those things that

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Speaker 20: it happens in a number of steps. But what we

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Speaker 20: want to see is more people experiencing it and feeling

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Speaker 20: and feeling better about their prospects and fundamentally to know

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Speaker 20: that we're a government is going to back them to

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Speaker 20: get a head. And I think that's what everyone wants.

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Speaker 20: They want a chance, they want a fair opportunity, and

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Speaker 20: they want to know the governments on their side.

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Speaker 2: If they enough, they're all, hey, Arna Breman, did she

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Speaker 2: give you a heads up before signing that letter of

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Speaker 2: support for Jerome Power or did she ask you or

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Speaker 2: ask for advice or anything.

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Speaker 20: No, she didn't. She did bring me the next day

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Speaker 20: after she'd signed that statement, and I did put to her, hey, look,

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Speaker 20: why didn't you give me a heads up or seek

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Speaker 20: some advice on this. She had felt reluctant to do

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Speaker 20: so because the call that she was on where she

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Speaker 20: made that commitment was at three am in the morning.

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Speaker 20: And look, I just said to her, don't be too

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Speaker 20: respectful of me at three am in the morning. That

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Speaker 20: is literally my job to take a phone call at

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Speaker 20: any time. And in future she would absolutely get in

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Speaker 20: contact with me.

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Speaker 2: So she agreed with that. She said, in future, I

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Speaker 2: would call you. I'll check it and check it with you.

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Speaker 20: Yes, that's right. And what I said to her is, look,

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Speaker 20: of course there's always the chance that I don't answer

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Speaker 20: the phone, so just send me a text, and that way,

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Speaker 20: at least I can be on to it as soon

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Speaker 20: as possible.

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Speaker 2: And so, and what would you have see it.

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Speaker 20: I would have said, look, I suggest that we make

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Speaker 20: sure that you have had the opportunity to reflect on

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Speaker 20: some advice from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and potentially

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Speaker 20: from the Treasury ultimately governor your decision, but make sure

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Speaker 20: that you have considered all of the relevant.

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Speaker 2: Advice, because I think she keeps saying in the Preserve

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Speaker 2: Bank pr people came out and said the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: is independent, therefore we can say what we like, but

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Speaker 2: independent on monetary policy. But I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 2: sort of, as Winston said, sort of outside of her lane,

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Speaker 2: her purview. I would have thought on foreign affairs, well.

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Speaker 20: Look, there's no question about the fact that New Zealand

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Speaker 20: supports independent monetary policy making, and we respect the independence

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Speaker 20: of our central bank and doing that. But as you say,

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Speaker 20: I think that there would have been value in her

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Speaker 20: considering getting input from other parts of government who would

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Speaker 20: have a perspective on something like this, And I think

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Speaker 20: in future she would take that advice and weigh that up.

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Speaker 2: What is the government's view on reserve bank independence in America?

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Speaker 20: And Jerome pal well, we don't take a view on

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Speaker 20: other countries domestic politics, because we are of the view

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Speaker 20: that those are things for the American people to decide

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Speaker 20: and take a position on.

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Speaker 2: The Winston Telly he was going to see that statement

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 20: Yes, says office gave me your heads up, do you

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Speaker 20: support it? Look, I think the Minister of Foreign Affairs

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Speaker 20: is right to want to ensure that when New Zealand

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Speaker 20: takes positions internationally that official seek advice from the Ministry

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Speaker 20: of Foreign Affairs before doing so.

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Speaker 2: What's going to be the thing that saves your budget

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Speaker 2: this year because last time it was, arguably David Seymour

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Speaker 2: said the pay equity thing. Can you give us a

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Speaker 2: sense of where you're targeting this year?

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Speaker 20: Well, we will continue to make sure that we're making

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Speaker 20: savings on government programs or activities that aren't having the

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Speaker 20: impact that was expected from them, so that we can

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Speaker 20: then take that funding and put it into the frontline

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Speaker 20: services which we know need more funding. So that's our

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Speaker 20: health service, that's our schools, that's our police, We're going

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Speaker 20: to have to put more funding in there. So we're

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Speaker 20: looking across government for where are some of the areas

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Speaker 20: where the money isn't doing as good a job as

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Speaker 20: it could do. In our hospitals, in our classrooms, on

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Speaker 20: the front line with our cops, and so we're looking

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Speaker 20: for savings across the board. And I'll have more to

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Speaker 20: say about that obviously between now and the budget.

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Speaker 2: Have you identified a big ticket item that you will target.

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Speaker 20: Look, the process that we run is we identify lots

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Speaker 20: of options and I've described them as medium sized options,

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Speaker 20: and then we do the work. We look at, Okay,

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Speaker 20: what would the impacts of that be, what would that mean,

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Speaker 20: who with that impact and how And we don't make

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Speaker 20: decisions at this stage until we've got the full set

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Speaker 20: of options in front of us and we can weigh

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Speaker 20: it up. And then as a cabinet we make the

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Speaker 20: commitment to what we're going to spend, what we're going

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Speaker 20: to save, and what the overall budget looks like, and we're.

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Speaker 2: Just not the spending priorities. There is talk today about

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Speaker 2: pharmac funding weight loss drugs. Have you got advice on

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Speaker 2: how much that might cost? Do you think that is

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Speaker 2: a good idea?

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Speaker 20: Well, I haven't taken advice on that, but as you know,

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Speaker 20: the way that New Zealand's FARMAC might or works is

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Speaker 20: that FARMAC make independent decisions about which medicines they fund

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Speaker 20: based on what will have the biggest impact for New

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Speaker 20: Zealander's lives and health. And so famously, you'll recall when

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Speaker 20: we had the cancer drug commitment. In order to have

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Speaker 20: FARMAC fund all of those cancer drugs, we had to

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Speaker 20: fund a number of other drugs as well, because they

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Speaker 20: have a list and they rank medicines and order of

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Speaker 20: what will have the most impact, and they work through

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Speaker 20: that list, and they do that independently. But look, the

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Speaker 20: case in terms of medicine's increasing role in reducing the

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Speaker 20: prevalence of diabetes and obesity is clearly a global phenomenon

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Speaker 20: that I'd expect FARMAC to be monitoring very closely.

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Speaker 2: It's one of our biggest health costs and contributors to

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Speaker 2: the cost of the health system is obesity. So surely

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Speaker 2: anything we can do to turn the title and that

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Speaker 2: would have massive benefits for us.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, look, that's right, and farm will be I am

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Speaker 20: sure looking at that and weighing out what would the

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Speaker 20: positive impacts of that be for New Zealanders and the

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Speaker 20: health system versus, for example, funding some of the other

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Speaker 20: medicines that New Zealanders are crying out for, whether that's

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Speaker 20: medicines for blood cancers in particular, or other treatments where

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Speaker 20: people can see there would be significant benefits. So that's

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Speaker 20: their job to do it with an independent formula, to

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Speaker 20: analyze it properly, rather than politicians waiting in and deciding

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Speaker 20: what we think is flavor of the month.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, minister, Thank you. That is Nicola Willis

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Speaker 2: the Finance minister for twenty two back for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I should say seventeen minutes after six. Now we'll have

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Speaker 2: to Shane solely with a market update.

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Speaker 2: Neustalk zib It is six nineteen is get to Shane

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Speaker 2: Solely with Harbor Asset Management for a market updates. Shane,

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01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 2: good evening, right, So any reaction from markets to Trump

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: and his Greenland teriff threat, Yeah.

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01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 21: There's potential for a bit of a risk off start

1521
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 21: to the week after mister Trump announced tariffs on eight

1522
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 21: European nations. Greenland's sold to the US, and then of

1523
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 21: course the Europeans have come out and with their own

1524
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 21: response to this. What we're seeing in the figures market

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01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 21: for the US and European shear markets. This is shown

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 21: what markets expect to happen is weaker markets. The US

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01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 21: market may be down about this is just under one percent,

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01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 21: European markets just over one percent. The US markets are

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01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 21: closed tonight for Martin Luther King days that will actually

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01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 21: be choosed to be befull reaction. But look our markets

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 21: here locally, Asia Pacific down between half and one percent

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 21: in the shear market, the Zone market down one percent,

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01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 21: zero and ten yure bonds zero point five percent to

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01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 21: four point five percent. I think you know we're getting

1535
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 21: used to these Trump policy tape bombs and that this

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 21: whole world order is changing. But this is just another

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01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 21: reminder Ryan that this should be expecting more volatility, particularly

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Speaker 21: into the US presidential midterms.

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Speaker 2: And what about reaction to the Prime Minister State of

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Speaker 2: the Name address.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I think the market's taken.

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Speaker 21: Mister Luxe's address pretty much is straight down the line

1543
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 21: for investment markets, no big.

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 11: Bowl promises, no big money being thrown around.

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 21: Markets still agree with mister Luxeon's view on the musion

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01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 21: economy of covering in twenty six and then there's a

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01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 21: brighter year. The fiscal discipline might have disappointed one or

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01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 21: two people who are expecting some stimulus announcements, but for

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01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 21: capital markets that's a good thing. Reassuring the government's all

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 21: about taking care of the balance sheet and investors are

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01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 21: like that. A little bit of positiveness maybe around the

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01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 21: increase in quvs have a contributions if it does go

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01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 21: to twelve percent. But yeah, I think you know, all up,

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Speaker 21: no surprises, and this election date still out there. Maybe

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Speaker 21: we get that later this week from the caucus meeting

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Speaker 21: in christ Each markets expected tot of October and then

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Speaker 21: so we've got at the way to go for elections.

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Speaker 2: The certainly do long way too. It's going to feel

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Speaker 2: like an eternity too. Hey, the inflations are still sticky here.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean the Reserve Bank's not going to cut

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Speaker 2: further in February the next meeting.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Look, I think the data come out recently has suggested

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 21: there's pretty Mexican terms and inflation data we're seen some up,

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 21: some down. Over All, the data suggests that this inflation numbers,

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Speaker 21: it's running a little bit higher than levels that support

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 21: Reserve Bank cutting rates. And in this improving India economic data,

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Speaker 21: and we're a really strong Purchasing Manager Index up last

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01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 21: week to fifty six point one. Is the pressure is

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01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 21: not the same driver there for the rbn Z at

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01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 21: the cut rates. This mark is not actually cutting. Sorry,

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01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 21: this mark is not actually pricing any more cuts and

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Speaker 21: by the Reserve Bank this year. In fact, it's actually

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01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 21: allowing for more of a more like an increase, with

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01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 21: zero point four percent increase priced into the second half

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Speaker 21: of twenty twenty six, taking official cash rates to two

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01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 21: point six by the end of December. So yeah, we've

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Speaker 21: got the steps New Zealand Consumer Price Index out on

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Speaker 21: Friday for the fourth quarter of twenty twenty five. Markets

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Speaker 21: expecting a quarterly reading of a zero point five percent

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01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 21: and which would be three percent year on year. That's

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Speaker 21: a little bit above what the Reserve Thanks targeting sir,

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Speaker 21: I have to seepr data comes in higher than this could.

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Speaker 11: Actually see expectations of rate increases dragged forward.

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Speaker 2: Shane, appreciate your time. Thank you. Shane Soley harborin st

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Speaker 2: Management with our market update tonight twenty three minutes after

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Speaker 2: six you're on News Talk ZB Showbiz for you next.

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Speaker 1: Crudging the numbers and getting the results. It's Ryan Bridge

1589
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: on the Business hour with Mas Insurance and Investments.

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Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands. News talks'd be.

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Speaker 2: Six twenty five international airlines coming to New Zealand. There's

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: a bit of a problem that we have that other

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01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: countries don't have, and that if you're flying into Auckland Airport,

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01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 2: for example, and something goes wrong with Auckland Airport, there

1595
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 2: is no twenty four to seven backup airport that you

1596
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 2: can just wiz to that's nearby. So you are required

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 2: to carry next to six tons of fuel on board

1598
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 2: your jet in order to land at Auckland Airport should

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Speaker 2: something go wrong. Now there is a plan to do

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Speaker 2: something about this, involving a Harkier airbase. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that after six thirty.

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Speaker 3: It is to after there's no business like show business.

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Speaker 3: An god night waiting for them all.

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Speaker 2: You will recognize this beautiful voice. It is the big,

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Speaker 2: beautiful voice of busty music legend Dolly Pardon. It is

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Speaker 2: her birthday today, the country music legend turns eighty years old,

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Speaker 2: and on her special day didn't ask for presents. Instead,

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Speaker 2: she gave us one. She's released a re record of

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Speaker 2: her nineteen seventy seven hit Light of a Clear Blue Morning,

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Speaker 2: and she's teamed up with her famous friends called this

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Speaker 2: brand new version. Song features a whole bunch of her friends,

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Speaker 2: including Lady Wilson, a goddaughter of Marley Cyrus, and even

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Speaker 2: Queen Latifa is featured on the track. It was only

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Speaker 2: a few months ago the singer had to assure fans

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Speaker 2: she wasn't on her death bed, remember that, after she

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01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: was rushed to hospital suffering a medical emergency. But Dolly

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01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 2: sounds better than ever, and she's even given us an

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Speaker 2: insight into what's kept her healthy all of these years.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to defying age with her looks, she

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: has a simple answer, plastic surgery. She's nothing if not honest,

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Speaker 2: but making it to plastic surgery age is a feat

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Speaker 2: in and of itself. And if you want to join

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Speaker 2: Dolly in the eight decade club, she says she got

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Speaker 2: there with the help of good doctors, bacon, grease, and

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01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: lots and lots of flirting. Happy birthday, Dolly Ti.

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Speaker 22: Clean.

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Speaker 2: Pretty minutes after six we're back. We'll go to Cath

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Speaker 2: O'Brien bord of Airline Represented examples the News at six

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01:22:45,320 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: thirty and Gavin Gray in the UK, you've talked to beat, whether.

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01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: It's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all on

1631
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and MAS Insurance and Investments.

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01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 3: Your futures in good hands, Used TALKSB.

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01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 2: Twenty far away from seven. You're on news Talk. Sa'd

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01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: be great to have your company this Monday evening. We'll

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01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: get to Cath O'Brien Border airline representatives shortly. This is

1636
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: about the problem we have no twenty four to seven

1637
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 2: backup airport anywhere in the country. That's coming away in

1638
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: just a second. But over the break, I was watching

1639
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: from a distance with interest to manage my health. Data

1640
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: breach thing just infuriates me. Every time I see a

1641
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: data breach, I'm like, ah, yeah, no, I'm no longer surprised,

1642
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: which is a very bad place to be. And I

1643
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 2: was reading yesterday about a woman in Finland where I

1644
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: hadn't realized how bad it had got there, but they

1645
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: had a breach of their basically their shrink database. So

1646
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: this young woman had gone to see a shrink and

1647
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: it you know, as you do, spell your guts, get

1648
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: on the couch, spell your guts. And she told the

1649
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: shrink to these psychiatrist things that she hadn't told her

1650
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: family or her friends about her relationship with alcohol, about

1651
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 2: a relationship she was having with an older man. She

1652
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: gets the database gets hacked. All of the notes that

1653
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 2: the psychiatrist had written are on this database. She gets threatened,

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01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: doesn't It's like pay me sixty dollars or whatever. She

1655
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 2: doesn't pay. All gets released. It's all out there on

1656
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: the internet. Imagine how that would feel. And every time

1657
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 2: I see a story like this, it really gets my

1658
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: back up. It really pisses me off. It should and

1659
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: everywhere you go now everyone wants your phone number, your

1660
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 2: email address. I was talking to a friend the other day,

1661
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: she said, I no longer give my correct name. You know,

1662
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 2: if i'm why does you hear dress that need your

1663
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 2: name and address? It's absurd. They're obviously got and then

1664
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 2: they get hacked, and then your information is out there

1665
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: and they they're like, oh, sorry, you know, we did

1666
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 2: everything we could. Well, it's not good enough. It should

1667
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 2: be illegal to ask you for so much information your bank.

1668
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 2: I can understand, the taxman, I can understand, but why

1669
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 2: does everyone else need to know so much about you?

1670
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 2: And then then we're having this big discussion about well

1671
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 2: is the Internet actually that great, you know, has it?

1672
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 2: Has it been the great enlightenment that we thought it

1673
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 2: would be. People are arguing with each other online. Yes,

1674
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: it's been good. It's been good for things like we

1675
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: have more information, but are we smarter? It's better where

1676
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 2: it's better for communication has improved, but people aren't talking.

1677
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 2: We're not communicating with each other like we used to.

1678
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 2: So is on the whole the internet, the social media?

1679
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 2: Is it a net positive or net negative? I'm kind

1680
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 2: of in the negative camp. And before you know it, everyone,

1681
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: I'll know you know your bank balance and your cancer diagnosis.

1682
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: Annoying to say the least. Twenty one to seven Ry

1683
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 2: and Bridge, right, we have a problem in New Zealand.

1684
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:19,960
Speaker 2: We don't have a twenty four to seven backup airport

1685
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 2: anywhere in the country. Currently, long haul airliners flying into Auckland,

1686
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: for example, they've got to carry an extra six tons

1687
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 2: of fuel. This is in case they need to divert

1688
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 2: at the last minute somewhere else. Now, a Haakia usually

1689
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 2: stands in as the backup, but since the pandemic, the

1690
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Air Force Bass Control Tower hasn't been staffed overnight. Kath

1691
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 2: O'Brien is the Barnes executive director and joins me this evening,

1692
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: get a cath ving, Ryan is six just to start

1693
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 2: with six tons? Is that heap? So how much do

1694
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 2: the big jets usually carry on with them?

1695
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1696
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 23: Well, I think the important thing to think about is that, yes,

1697
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 23: it's six ton, but if you're carrying six ton of

1698
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 23: jet fuel, that means you cannot carry the equivalent weight

1699
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 23: of passengers or cargo. So not only are you having

1700
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 23: to carry the extra right of the of the jet fuel,

1701
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 23: but you're actually losing out on carrying more passengers to

1702
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 23: New Zealand. And some aircraft are having to fly in

1703
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 23: limited in the seats they can sell, so they actually

1704
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 23: can't sell the whole plane because they have to carry

1705
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 23: that extra fuel?

1706
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: Does it how much does it extra? Does it cost them?

1707
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,560
Speaker 2: And do you run into this problem? And is presumably

1708
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 2: not in Australia they have somewhere else to go, Well, it.

1709
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 23: Costs the jet fuel? I think publicly available information it's

1710
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 23: probably somewhere maybe six kind of jets where we might

1711
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,719
Speaker 23: get some change out of ten thousand New Zealand dollars,

1712
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 23: but of course airlines all hedge that out over time.

1713
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:42,520
Speaker 9: But it's a daily.

1714
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 23: Cost if you're flying to New Zealand daily, and bearing

1715
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 23: in mind you're probably paying something like forty five thousand

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Speaker 23: dollars to actually just land your plane in New Zealand

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01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 23: between airport charges and customs and buiosecurity, and then you've

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01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 23: got another ten for your extra jet fuel. And that's

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01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 23: before you pay your staff'll buy your ordinary fueld, or

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Speaker 23: buy your food, or pay for your waste or anything else.

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Speaker 23: And the thing is, it really starts to make it

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01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 23: a hard business to do when all those costs.

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Speaker 2: That up one So what's the solution.

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Speaker 23: Look For a long time now, we've been talking about

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01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 23: making a Hakia available. So you know, for those who

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01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 23: don't know, a Hakey is not far from Palmerston North.

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Speaker 23: It's a wonderful military base that serves New Zealand's defense needs.

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01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 23: It's also able to act as an ultimate which means

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01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 23: that airlines that are flying to New Zealand can can

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01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 23: plan to fly to a Hakia instead of Auckland or

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Speaker 23: christ Church, which is essentially a shorter distance to fly

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Speaker 23: to a Hakia, saving the jet fuel. And if they're

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01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 23: available around the clock, they can receive you know, five

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Speaker 23: or six large planes in an emergency if we really

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01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 23: did lose capability at Ukland or christ Church. So it's

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Speaker 23: a very you know, operationally important airport, but since the

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01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 23: pandemic it hasn't been available at nighttime. Why not look

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01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 23: primarily because we had a bit of a challenge with firefighters,

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01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 23: which the Defense Force has resolved, and now we continue

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01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 23: to have a challenge with air traffic controllers and you know,

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01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 23: it is a big effort to train specialized staff like

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01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 23: that and have them based you know, not far from Bulls,

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01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 23: but it's a really critical think. It actually wouldn't really

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01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 23: cost that much money to kind of think, and it's

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01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 23: probably the biggest bang for buck that we could do

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01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 23: for New Zealand aviation and tourism because with set staffing,

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Speaker 23: airlines could come to New Zealand anytime, they could plan

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01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,640
Speaker 23: to come at any hour of the night. But at

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01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 23: the moment, long haul aviation is limited to plan for

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Speaker 23: New Zealand between you know, essentially first thing in the

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Speaker 23: morning and later into the evening and then that's it.

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Speaker 2: Would it genuinely well, I mean obviously there are those benefits.

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Speaker 2: Would it bring down the cost of a ticket.

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Speaker 23: Well, certainly it saves obviously that cost of the additional fuel,

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01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,560
Speaker 23: and then it allows you to sell or tickets in

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01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 23: more cargo, more customer tickets and more cargo, so it

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01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:13,440
Speaker 23: spreads the cost over the whole aircraft. So it is beneficial.

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Speaker 23: But I think what it also does is will promote

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01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 23: competition because more airlines will be able to plan journeys

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Speaker 23: here when we've got more operational capability like that.

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Speaker 2: We haven't talked about fanoa Paie. Is that not suitable?

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01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 2: Too small?

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Speaker 23: Look, it's essentially not for lots of reasons, not less

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01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:36,600
Speaker 23: because of the housing that's really close around it, and

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01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 23: also because ohak Care is beautifully placed right sort of

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01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 23: almost smack in the middle between Auckland and christ Church,

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Speaker 23: which are New Zealand's sort of significant jet ports excluding Queenstown.

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Speaker 23: Then you know, it's a lovely middle point. So it

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01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 23: so physically it's in the right place. In fact, you know,

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Speaker 23: ever since the New Zealand Civil Aviation System was designed

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Speaker 23: way back in you know, nineteen forty, Hakia was noted

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01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 23: to be the most sensible ulphamate. So it's always been

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Speaker 23: it's just that we haven't been able to resell it

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Speaker 23: in recent years.

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Speaker 2: How come what's the problem with just going to christ Church?

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Speaker 2: Like if you can't get to talk and go to

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Speaker 2: christ Church vice versa.

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Speaker 23: Well, certainly lots of airlines do that now, So if

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01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 23: you can't have access to a hakia, you'll go to

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01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 23: christ Church. The trick about christ Church is that sometimes

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01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 23: it's fobby and that that happens quite regularly through the year,

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01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 23: and sometimes christ Church will do really important runway maintenance,

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01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 23: so they will close their runway in a planned way,

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Speaker 23: and so at those times airlines can't plan for christ Church.

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Speaker 23: And over the last couple of years we have had

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Speaker 23: multiple and multiple and multiple examples of very large, well

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Speaker 23: known international airlines sitting up in their home countries with

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01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 23: a full plane waiting to take off to New Zealand

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01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,000
Speaker 23: and being unable to depart because New Zealand is effectively

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01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 23: not open.

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Speaker 2: God that's embarrassed here.

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Speaker 9: It is, yeah, it is.

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Speaker 23: And it's a problem that we could really easily fix

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01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 23: for not particularly much money. And I just don't understand

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01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 23: why we can't.

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Speaker 2: Catho Brian appreciate your time. Border Airline Representatives, New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Executive Director. It's quarter to seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The business hour

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01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge as mass insurance and investments Your futures

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01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 1: in good has us talks'b.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen minutes away from seven Ryan. The airlines won't go

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01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 2: to a hard here without their own staff and equipment.

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01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 2: The customer recovery would be a mess. Needs more than

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01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 2: air traffic controllers. Well, it's I think meant as a backup.

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01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 2: Like It's not like you wouldn't staff people there and

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01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 2: expect that it would regularly be used. It would just

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Speaker 2: be a backup should something go wrong in either christ

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01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 2: Church or Auckland. I don't think that any international airport,

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01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 2: any international airline would expect to have their own crew

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Speaker 2: on the ground at a backup airport. Just to make

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Speaker 2: that point, twelve minutes away from seven now and it's

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Speaker 2: got to Gavin Gray Ore UK correspondent Gavin good evening,

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Speaker 2: Hi there, Anne, good to have you, Good to be

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Speaker 2: with you, I should say now the train crash in Spain.

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01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 2: I was looking at the pictures today, a horrible looking

1816
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 2: scene and more than twenty people have lost their life.

1817
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 2: What's the latest with this, Well.

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01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 24: The authorities have been working through the night. It's still

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01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 24: dark at this time of year here and in Spain,

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01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 24: they're working in that awful situation under lights, trying to

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01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 24: trap people who are trying to freedom those who have

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01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 24: been trapped in the wreckage as two trains.

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Speaker 15: Collided head on.

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01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 24: Now they do warn that that death toll of twenty

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01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 24: one could rise further. Seventy three are in hospital, fifteen

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01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 24: said to the seriously injured. But as I said, not

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01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 24: everyone out of the train crash yet. It appears that

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01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,360
Speaker 24: it was on a straight stretch of track. It had

1829
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 24: been refurbished in May last year. But it looks over

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01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 24: it looks really as if a high speed train traveling

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01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 24: north from Aligha on the south coast to Madrid the

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01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 24: capital derailed and then crossed over onto another track, and

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01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 24: at that point it then hit an oncoming train traveling

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01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 24: down from the capitol. So really pretty gruesome scenes and

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Speaker 24: I'm afraid to say that people they're describing it a

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01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 24: bit like a nightmare, with lots of people continuing to

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01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 24: be trapped at that train as they're desperate to get

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Speaker 24: them out.

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01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: Now, Stamer's the whole Donald Trump thing, the tariffs and

1840
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 2: the retaliation, and what's Europe going to do. Starmer's going

1841
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 2: to address the public, well, the nation, in the next

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01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 2: few hours, Is that right?

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01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 24: Yes, I don't know if his comments are more likely

1844
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 24: to be aimed at us, the voters and the British public,

1845
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 24: or at his European partners, or at Donald Trump. But

1846
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 24: he has already spoken to the Danish Prime Minister, the

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01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 24: President of the European Commission, and also the NATO's Secretary

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01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 24: General and then called Donald Trump. Now we don't know

1849
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,680
Speaker 24: the nature of that call, but in it Secure Star

1850
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 24: colleagues are saying, we said, this is unacceptable that coming

1851
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 24: to the support of one NATO colleague is then punished

1852
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 24: by another NATO colleague. And what he means, of course,

1853
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 24: is that the country's being targeted, that those supporting Greenland.

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01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,560
Speaker 24: Now Greenland and Greenlanders do not want to be American.

1855
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 24: Denmark does not want to be forced to give up Greenland.

1856
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 24: It is semi autonomous as an island, as a region,

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01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:27,799
Speaker 24: but it is part of the Kingdom of Denmark.

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Speaker 4: So the question is now what will it mean.

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01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 24: Of course, just as world leaders gather in Switzerland for

1860
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,600
Speaker 24: the Economic Forum of Davos this week, everything up in

1861
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 24: the air. Now it is thought here in the UK

1862
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 24: that up to fourteen billion New Zealand dollars could be

1863
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 24: wiped off the UK economy. If these tariffs come in

1864
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 24: in full, that could tip the UK into recession. But

1865
01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 24: the EU and in particular France really threatening to unleash

1866
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 24: what they're calling the Bazouka, the so called anti coercion

1867
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 24: instrument basically run that restricts a country's access to public tenders,

1868
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 24: limits its trade licenses, shuts off access to free trade

1869
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 24: market and was designed with China in mind.

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01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Boy, how things have changed absolutely now. The Greens in

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01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 2: the UK want free bus passes for anyone under twenty

1872
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: two in England. Why twenty two, Well, this.

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01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 24: Is the age at which they think, well, this is

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01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 24: young people at studies, but also young people trying to

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01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 24: find work and sadly, as we've reported before, run lots

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01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 24: of people in this country are not in education, employment

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01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 24: or training. They are simply young people under the age

1878
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 24: of twenty five and not doing anything. And the Green

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01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 24: Party believes, look, this is better for the environment, perhaps

1880
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 24: fewer cars on the road if some of those are

1881
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 24: driving cars, but also it will be much better for

1882
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 24: those young people. Now that there are different parts of

1883
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 24: the country have different schemes for different types of transport

1884
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 24: abilities as it were, and different subsidies. But the Green

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01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 24: Party coming out with this because they say it's going

1886
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:05,839
Speaker 24: to be self financing because increased use of buses benefits

1887
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 24: the economy. But the Government had a look at this

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01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 24: last year and said it was unaffordable without diverting money

1889
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 24: away from current service levels. So two parties saying two

1890
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:20,919
Speaker 24: separate things, surprise, surprise, both using the similar different evidence basis.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, they are looking at doing this.

1892
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 24: It will I think it'd be an eye catching policy

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01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 24: and one which incidentally does seem to be drawing them

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01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,640
Speaker 24: extra support in the opinion pause, we will see interesting that.

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01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 2: No such thing as a free lunch. You've got to

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01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 2: pay for it somehow. Yeah, Kevin, thank you given great

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent. Good to have you on the show was

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Speaker 2: always given. It is siven away from seven. You're on

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Speaker 2: news Talk ZIBB.

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Speaker 2: You're on news talks Bit. It's five minutes away from

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Speaker 2: the seven. Great to have your company this evening. Thank

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01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 2: you very much for all of your ticks and your

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01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: feedback very much appreciated. And what are we going out

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Speaker 2: to tonight?

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Speaker 22: Holiday by green Day to take us out tonight? Ryan,

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01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 22: Green Day have been announced that they will be performing

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01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 22: at the super Bowl. Now we already knew that they're

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01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 22: not doing halftime. The halftime show is going to be

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Speaker 22: Bad Bunny, the Latin pop artist artists, but the opening ceremony,

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Speaker 22: there's an opening ceremony for the Super Bowl, as it

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Speaker 22: turns out, so Green Day will be playing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I has there always been one.

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Speaker 22: I've certainly never watched it has been, but I mean,

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Speaker 22: for all I know, they could well have been. But

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Speaker 22: I checked in with sky Sport and they said yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 22: So they will be carrying the televised broadcast of the

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Speaker 22: green Day concert as well. So that's on February the

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Speaker 22: ninth hour, So that's the Monday for us. And Green

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Speaker 22: Day kicks off at midday and the game starts at

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01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 22: twelve thirty.

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Speaker 2: So and you know Bad Bunny, yes, like, well not

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Speaker 2: very well, no, that's the thing. So do you think

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Speaker 2: that's because we are now like getting to a certain

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Speaker 2: age where we're not up with the play, or are

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Speaker 2: we getting to a stage where everyone there are so

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Speaker 2: many artists on Spotify that you will never know everyone.

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Speaker 22: Well, I think it's all true, Ryan, what you and

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Speaker 22: me are both certainly our best days are behind us.

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Speaker 22: There are certainly a lot of artists out there. But

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Speaker 22: I think it's also a North America thing. It's like

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Speaker 22: Momberton's very big in the America's imagine. I imagine they'd

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Speaker 22: be people in the audience right now who say, no,

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Speaker 22: I love bad Bunny. There are a few of you

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Speaker 22: in New Zealand, but not as many as there would

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Speaker 22: be slightly Latino community.

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Speaker 2: It's not Tina Turner, is that you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: It's not Beyonce or.

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Speaker 22: Doctor Dre and fifty and stuff. Remember they did that one?

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Speaker 23: All right?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's good to know. My beg days are behind us.

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Speaker 2: And thanks call me a lie Ryan, go on, go on,

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Speaker 2: have a great evening everyone. We will see tomorrow

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