1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Now politics Wednesday time, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson is with us. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: A very good morning to both of you. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: Morning Jenny, morning to you both. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Now do you too know tany Yakoura who we had 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: on the program earlier. 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: On Yes, yes, yes, we both well. 7 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: She seems like an awesome woman. Am I correct in 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: my assessment? Yeah? 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: She does it. She does a great job. She's one 10 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: of our deputy commissioners. She delivered the speech uh in 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 3: relation to the abuse and state here. She did an 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: outstanding job and doing that she was the interim commissioner 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: at the time. And know she's and she's got a long, 14 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 3: proud history of service to our country as a police officer. 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: Seems to speak, she's she's an impressive, impressive woman. Yeah, 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: she's got great operational experience in and got a good 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: hit on her shoulders. She's calm and in control and 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: makes good decisions. 19 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: What do you think, Jinny? Your your your co conspirator 20 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: tamoth of Paul who seems to want to defund the police. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: So how are you going to handle this if you 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: ever get a chance to run the country again? And 23 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Tamotha comes along and goes she's heard nothing but complaints 24 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: about the police beat patrols around the country, and it's 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: completely possible to set up institutions that can overtake lots 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: of functions of the police. What are you going to 27 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: tell Tamotha. 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: I would say, no, Timotha, We're not defunding the police, 29 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: That's what I would say. 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 3: That's good, even though you did defund the police when 31 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: you're in government. 32 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: Oh come on, we've got fifty more funding. You have 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: cut excuse me out of the police. Excuse me, two 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: hundred workers out of police. 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me. 36 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: Frontline officers do more work. So I don't even try 37 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: that one. 38 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: Back as the incoming minister, the first thing I was 39 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: briefed on was the fact that the previous labor government 40 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: had underfunded their cost pressures by about four or five percent, 41 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 3: and we changed that immediately. We put one hundred and 42 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: twenty million dollars just to stabilize them because they cost 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: precious because because their cost pressures hadn't been funded for. 44 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: Reality of it. 45 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Right, next budget mate, back in the. 46 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: Corners, Back in the corners, you two, would you agree 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: in listening Ginny and listening to Tanny this morning when 48 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: she spoke well of the game patch band and how 49 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: it's working and how they appreciate that. Would you at 50 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: least accept that that was a good move on this 51 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: government and you guys might have been wrong. 52 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: Well, her words were, it worked a lot better than 53 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: we thought it would to end, and I think Chris 54 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 2: Carhill has said the same thing that that that front yeah, 55 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: definitely is a good thing. There was a fear that 56 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: frontline officers would be hurt and we haven't seen it. 57 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll recognize that it has gone a lot 58 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: better than what everybody thought it would do. 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: Okay, So I was a frontline police officer and I 60 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 3: always believed in it, and I always stood by it, 61 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 3: and I had we had all the commentators, and you're 62 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 3: talking about Duncan. I mean, he was crying into a 63 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 3: seat just about every day trying to stick up and 64 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 3: protect the game members. And the reality of it is 65 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: it's been extremely effective, and it's made our police officer's 66 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: job on the street much easier, and I'd argue that 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 3: it's made people safer. 68 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I would say also, at the same time 69 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: we've been gang pictures, we've seen a ninety six percent 70 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: increase in methane phetamine use in New Zealand. And my 71 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: point would be that it's more important to get drugs 72 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: and crime and organized networks broken down than it is 73 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: to take away petty. 74 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: So yes, so yes, we have got a methane filming 75 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: problem in New Zealand. That is a global issue that 76 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: we're dealing with. And the reality is this, we ran 77 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: a very big operation in a podocy where we took 78 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: down the entire Barbarian's mungol mob and if you look 79 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: at the water testing and the podokey, it's dropped significantly. 80 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: So it just shows that we've got to keep doing 81 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: what we're doing and hammering the gangs and staying on 82 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 3: top of the gate. Who is that exactly what we're doing. 83 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: Forget the gags for a moment, but from the drug 84 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: side of the equation, Jinny who takes. 85 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: Myth Look, they do a really good survey at I 86 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: think you had to head someone on the program. 87 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, But that was just a generic 88 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: water testing. I don't know anyone who takes meth I mean, 89 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: is it is it? 90 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: Typically? It is like if you if you want to generalize, 91 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: it's poorer areas, poorer areas rural New Zealand with his 92 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: already poverty. And I know of people who work in 93 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: some of those areas and they'd say one of the 94 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: things you see teachers see is that when a family 95 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: has been on a myth bind, there's no food in 96 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: the house because they're going for three or four days 97 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: without eating, and they're not going to sleep. And so 98 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: you get children turning up to school that are hungry, 99 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: who haven't had any sleep. So it's already hit by 100 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: poverty and their entrenches and makes it even harder for 101 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: kids growing up in homes with poverty. 102 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: Would you concur with that, mate, Yeah, I think it's 103 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: right across society. 104 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: Sadly, some people sort of get. The problem with myth 105 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: is once it gets it talking to you, that's an 106 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: absuit wrecking ball, and it reached people's lives. I remember 107 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: when it arrived in New Zealand. I was a police 108 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: officer down in Taerpo. I'd just gone operation with my 109 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 3: second and new police dog. A guy had gone nuts 110 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: with an axe and was trying to smash his one 111 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: into a house to attack some people. And I arrived 112 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: and had to deal with that, and I remember entering 113 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: some pepper spray into it onto his face, that it 114 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: just had no impact or effect at all. It's a 115 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: horrible drug. It's a horrible drug. It's very difficult for 116 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 3: the police. It's been a waking war for us as 117 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: a country and globally, and we are working really hard. 118 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: That The reason why I keep talking about games is 119 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: because they're the ones that are pinpure. 120 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: Yea, they are. But I worry too, Mark and the 121 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: flip side of that is going to get all of that. 122 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: But I mean, who, I just I just I cannot 123 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: get my head around it that the ninety six percent 124 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: increase in use. I mean, what sort of idiots goes 125 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: down that? You know, you can have your weed debate 126 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: and your cocaine debate and all that sort of stuff, 127 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: But a myth is evil and once you're down there, 128 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: you don't get it. 129 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: Can I'd like to jump in there? So I worked 130 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: for when John Key pulled together the myth in tackling 131 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: myth infetamine when it really started to pick I worked 132 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: in that group and Department of Prime Minister and Kevina 133 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: under National when they had an action plan or myth 134 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: infetamin And you're right, it goes right across society market. 135 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: We see it in high you know, white collar areas 136 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: as well, but it is absolutely disaut dating and what 137 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: those stats are coming at now are showing that the 138 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: price point for me, it's lowest ever, it's the cheapest 139 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: it's ever been, and the purity is its highest, it's 140 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: not been past at anything. So that shows that the 141 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: illicit market right now in New Zealand has been completely flooded. 142 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: You can get it really easily and that's the most 143 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 2: worrying thing that people who want to get it quickly. 144 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: And the other thing, of course, Mike, is that when 145 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 3: you are in the tough economic times, people turn to 146 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 3: some sort of escape where healthy alcohol, whether that be drugs, 147 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: and we've been in tough economic times for a few 148 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: years and that's an aggravating. 149 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: Factor as well. Mark highlight of India for. 150 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: Me, I think getting to meet prominence and mode again. 151 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to spend some quality time with 152 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 3: him in twenty sixteen when I went out there with 153 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: Sir John Key and for me personally that was a 154 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: highlight and then huge I know, it's a huge difference 155 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 3: in him. He's a very new prime minister back then, 156 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: he's very experienced now doing an outstanding job, really clear 157 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: about what he wants to achieve, and really was very 158 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: gracious and generous with us as a delegation, and you 159 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: could clearly see that him and Chris have got a 160 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: very good relationship. 161 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: When you fly on the seven five seven, are you 162 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: buggered by the time you get home, given it takes 163 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: you thirty seven hours to fly about three hundred miles. 164 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: No, Funnily enough, I haven't had coming back. Look, we 165 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: were the because you fly so slow. Look, I have 166 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: to say the world the Defense Forces did an outsteady 167 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: job of supporting us on this visit, and we were 168 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: able to actually visit the crew of taka who were 169 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: about to deploy into the Gulf of Aiden on any 170 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: pirasy and on drug and addiction, which is critically important 171 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: for all of us. 172 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: And correct me if I'm wrong. I saw the pictures 173 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: of the Takaha. Looks like a bucket of bolts. Is 174 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: it there's rust all over it? Or is that just 175 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: what happens to a ship after while that doesn't get painted. 176 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's Look it's in good shape. The crew 177 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: and great spirits and they're really looking forward to now 178 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: and doing what they joined defense forces to do and 179 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: that's your active operations. 180 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: Geny electrics in your area yesterday's announcement. I know it 181 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: doesn't personally affect you, but but it's just a little 182 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: bit actually, so you're yeah, but your electric gets reshaped. 183 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: It's not like it disappears and some come and some go, 184 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: is that is that upheaval? 185 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's we kind of knew it was on the 186 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: cards because some parts of Wellington have decreased by ten twelve, 187 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: fourteen percent down in population, so it was always on 188 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: the cards that something would shift. 189 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: But what do you mean do you what do you 190 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: get to pick? 191 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: I know you're not currentlylan so I'm looking forward to 192 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: get new It was fantastic. 193 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: On the hill get blown and by the southerly, but 194 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: the views are fantastic. 195 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 3: But he's alone. 196 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: I know that. Well, I tink you a little bit 197 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: more Abor maybe, so it'll be interesting to see what 198 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: that means. It's marginal. 199 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: But do you reckon Newlands? 200 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 2: Labor Bishop and oh these it's it's it's middle public. 201 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: Asperation and nice house at the top of Newlands. You 202 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: made it. 203 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: You can see the house I campaigned in there in 204 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. So I went up against Peter Duarn on 205 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: my first election and there wasn't a great election for labor. 206 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: That was we got a low party vote and I 207 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: lost out by about seven hundred votes. And or how 208 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: do you so, Yeah, it's a good area to campaign. 209 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 2: And I'd say, and. 210 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: What's Greg going to do in Barbara? I mean, are 211 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: they all sort of sitting there? I mean the problem 212 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: with this is EMP sort of solved the problem, isn't 213 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you get a percentage of the vote, you 214 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: get percentage of the seats. But I mean, I suppose 215 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: if you've got an electorate, you want it, don't you. 216 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: We always work hard in the area you know and 217 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: you you like and you want to support. And then 218 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: that's a lot of the fun of being a politician 219 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: as you get in to meet people and understand what they're. 220 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: What they were. I heard they're playing paper scissors rocks. 221 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: We get to the when we gets the seat. 222 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: To see you guys will catch up next to Jhnny Anderson. 223 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 2: For more from the Mike Casking Breakfast. Listen live to 224 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: news talks. 225 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 3: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 226 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:57,359 Speaker 3: on iHeartRadio.