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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show You Can Trust, the mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with the range Rover, the la designed to intrigue and

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Speaker 1: use togs Head bart.

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Speaker 2: Today, the pm ont soul of zero job expectations and

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Speaker 2: paying for people to hunt for oil. How bads the

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Speaker 2: bird flew More lawyers required as the Supreme Court over

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Speaker 2: rules the Appeal Court on customary title I having Cleary

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Speaker 2: talks success and winning after right Captain Field and France

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Speaker 2: and Rod Liddle is in.

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Speaker 3: The Brigness Gift Sweaver pasking a.

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Speaker 2: Morning seven past six. Fluoride funny old thing. I like

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Speaker 2: it personally, not too much, just enough to help out

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Speaker 2: in the water. Not everyone, of course, she has that view,

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Speaker 2: but science is on the right side of things, I

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Speaker 2: think generally. Before he left his job, Ashley Bloomfield, you

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Speaker 2: remember him, he issued an edict to a number of

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Speaker 2: councils to fluoridate the local water. He had the power

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Speaker 2: to compel them to do this. Most have. Some have

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Speaker 2: had a little bit of ankst around at Tarron and

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Speaker 2: recently wasn't thrilled. But the problem was if you didn't

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Speaker 2: or don't, you can be fined a couple of hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and then ten thousand dollars a day for

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Speaker 2: each day after that if you don't follow the rules.

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Speaker 2: Fung Array on Friday voted not to Their argument was

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Speaker 2: several folds. By the way it was type vote seven

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Speaker 2: to six. Public gallery was full. I can bet who

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Speaker 2: it was full of. Anyway. The mayor says fluoride won't

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Speaker 2: help the local area's dental hygiene, which is of course

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Speaker 2: complete nonsense and probably why we have people specializing in

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Speaker 2: the health area as opposed to counselors who generally specialize

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Speaker 2: in nothing. They also argued the area doesn't want it.

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Speaker 2: A decent question to ask is does that matter? I mean,

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Speaker 2: are there areas and issues where the local authorities don't

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Speaker 2: get us safe, kind of like we don't get to

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Speaker 2: set our own speed limits, or whether we pay our taxes,

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Speaker 2: or do you argue at local level democracy is everything?

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Speaker 2: Mind you, even if you dig it did argue that

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Speaker 2: they didn't poll everyone, so who knows what the locals

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Speaker 2: and totality think. Interesting thing for me is is this

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Speaker 2: an issue you really want to die on a hill over?

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Speaker 2: If you're a council in the northern part of this country,

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Speaker 2: are you honestly telling me this is as pressing as

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Speaker 2: it gets. Forget the dilapidated state of the place, the

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Speaker 2: fact that it gets cut off from the country too often,

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Speaker 2: the grinding poverty, the health issues. How long do you

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Speaker 2: want the list? No, no, no, we will defy Wellington

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Speaker 2: and get fined over flu right. See, too many councils

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Speaker 2: nationally of late are not giving local representation a good name,

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Speaker 2: and this loss aren't helping.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 4: Now he is the first.

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Speaker 2: He won't be the last. But a Biden wanted to

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Speaker 2: trash his rep once and for all. He's done it.

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Speaker 5: Probably the worst president in US history, but.

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Speaker 6: Also the most corrupt.

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Speaker 2: That's why he's continuing to go ahead and push forward

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Speaker 2: with his two tiered justice system.

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Speaker 6: We lied to us repeatedly saying here he wouldn't pardon Hunter.

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Speaker 7: I figured he would.

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Speaker 2: It makes the Trump pick for a g Pam Bondi

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Speaker 2: of Florida looking consequential.

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Speaker 8: People that need to worry about Pam Bindy are the

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Speaker 8: ones who want to use laws the law for the

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Speaker 8: political purpose. Those in the Department of Justice who really

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Speaker 8: want to make the Department of Justice an extension of politics.

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Speaker 2: Syria looks on and I Fidge generally thought of sides

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Speaker 2: in real trouble. This time around, the Iranians and Russians,

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Speaker 2: of course, are preoccupied. Turks aren't from anchors Persenta, so

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Speaker 2: this vacuum will be either filled by.

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Speaker 9: The other Iranian militias probably come in from Iraq, the Kurts,

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Speaker 9: the Syrian democratic forces backed by the United States.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you're watching the NFL yesterday as I was,

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Speaker 2: Buffalo took on San Francisco, why do I mention that?

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Speaker 2: Will you will have noticed the field was white.

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Speaker 10: We've had nearby Casadega. Now four and a half feet

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Speaker 10: of snow. It's still coming down. Another band has moved

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Speaker 10: in and this is your workout this morning, guys trying

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Speaker 10: for snow angels.

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Speaker 2: And then this time yesterday, Greg I like to blame

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Speaker 2: middle aged women. Wallace was on social media digging really

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Speaker 11: You know what, I want to apologize for any offense

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Speaker 11: that I caused with my post yesterday and any upset

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Speaker 11: I may, of course to a lot of people. I

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Speaker 11: wasn't in a good headspace when I posted it.

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Speaker 2: Now, for some reason somebody thought this might actually be

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Speaker 2: a matter for the government.

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Speaker 12: I'm not going to make anyone do anything.

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Speaker 13: The show might get really record ratings tonight when people

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Speaker 13: are waiting to see if there's any clues as to

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Speaker 13: all this.

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Speaker 2: Finally, an AI news. We've got a crop development company

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Speaker 2: there in North Carolina claiming to have USDAI to make

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Speaker 2: a one hundred percent edible bit of broccoli. They're cross

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Speaker 2: breeding basically, were to help barb AI uses an algorithm

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Speaker 2: to identify the traits that lead to some parts of

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Speaker 2: the broccoli to wither or drop bits that are susceptible

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Speaker 2: to drought and pests. Now, with the AI assistance that

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Speaker 2: has led, they claim to a growing process that is

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Speaker 2: seventy percent faster and produces twenty percent less waste. So

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Speaker 2: those news of the world and Marty past Price is

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Speaker 2: booming off and running. Actually, I've got a new forecast

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Speaker 2: for a New Zealand housing market in the moment. But

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Speaker 2: for now, are Britain three point seven last month alone

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Speaker 2: close to a record high rods with us later, of course,

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Speaker 2: twelve past six.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: This morning is in France. Barnier, who's the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: of these days, has used special powers to push through

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Speaker 2: a social security budget that means he doesn't need the

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Speaker 2: the vote of the MPs, he wouldn't get the budget through,

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Speaker 2: so that then triggers a vote of no confidence and

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Speaker 2: so the government might be on the brink of collapse.

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Speaker 2: Catherine's with a shortly fifteen past six now deven times Management.

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Speaker 2: Greg Smith, morning to you morning, Mike. Building numbers, we're

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Speaker 2: not doing as well as we might want to be.

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Speaker 14: No, that's completely right. So look at October twe hundred

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Speaker 14: and fifty new homes consented in New Zealands. It was

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Speaker 14: down almost seven percent on the same month a year ago.

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Speaker 14: Multi unit home so townhouses, apartments, flats, retirement units and

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Speaker 14: the like, they were down eighteen percent. Steve, the lane

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Speaker 14: you look at it since July. But yeah, overall, when

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Speaker 14: consent in October September down five point two percent annual

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Speaker 14: tell us suppose and given recent rate cuts. Just looking

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Speaker 14: A number of dwellings approved there were up four point

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Speaker 14: actually the reverse was actually driven by an increasing apartment developments,

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Speaker 2: We'll see that.

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Speaker 14: Sustainable private sect the houses and Aussie they fell by

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Speaker 2: Okay, then we come to retail sales. Speaking of Australians,

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Speaker 14: retail sales in the prime month that exceeded forecasts and

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Speaker 14: Food retailing bounce back. A bit of a varied story

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Speaker 14: by State Victoria, Queensland, South Australia that they saw good

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Speaker 14: So the Reserve Bank wants to see household spinning moderates,

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Speaker 14: so this won't help in that regard. They actually meet

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Speaker 14: next week. And Michelle Bollocks, you've said inflation is too

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Speaker 14: anyway where the ABA is saying it looks like it

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Speaker 14: needs two more sets of quarterly inflation data before cats rates.

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Speaker 14: So the next live meeting probably isn't until May next year.

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Speaker 14: Many markets are still pricing in the forty percent chance

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Speaker 14: be of interest. We shod another print study showing that

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Speaker 14: corporate profits and Aussie were down almost five percent of

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Speaker 14: that confirmed what the official reports said recently as well.

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Speaker 14: So manufacturing sector activity growing its fastest rate in five months.

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Speaker 14: the stimulus packages are potentially working. You also look at

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Speaker 14: the exports side. They're actually heading for a record trade

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Speaker 14: surplus of a trillion dollars this year. So at least

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Speaker 14: Trump's threatening to say to have something to say about

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Speaker 14: that employment that still remained in contraction. So it's taking

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Speaker 14: a time for stemulus to trickle down to the labor market.

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Speaker 14: Just looking elsewhere, it was less convinced in pictures in

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Speaker 14: still in contraction in the tree's new orders point they

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Speaker 14: pressures are easing, but not so good in the UK.

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Speaker 14: Manufacturing output and nine month low. Concerns around the budget

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Speaker 14: terms of manufacturing activity, fastest paced since August twenty twenty.

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Speaker 14: So market's now pricing and an increased chance of a

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Speaker 14: jumbo fifty basis point rate cut by THECB next week.

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Speaker 14: I need some numbers, Yeah, sure, Hey, we've got some

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Speaker 14: record numbers as well for you might. We've got some

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Speaker 14: We've also got a record for Nasdaq that's up one

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Speaker 14: percent nineteen four to one to three. So textop's doing well.

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Speaker 14: Downdown quarter percent forty four eight hundred, forty one hundred

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Speaker 14: Gold up four bucks two thousand and six and thirty

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Speaker 14: nine announce oil down eighteen cents sixty seven spot eighty two.

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Speaker 14: Currency markets kere wee week against the US were fifty

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Speaker 2: We've got a bit of a risk from Sony this

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Speaker 2: Their latest movie is Craven. It's a villain set in

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Speaker 15: the year, Well, Craven is kind of knock you.

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Speaker 16: Nope, none of that got to be safe for everyone.

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Speaker 2: How many people have we talked about being potentially the

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Speaker 2: MPI have put all the paltry experts on hold. Of course,

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Speaker 18: Well, this is not a big bird flu worry we

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Speaker 18: That's not unexpected. We can have something of this on

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Speaker 18: appreciate to How do you tell them container I CO two,

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Speaker 2: You speak with a level of confidence. Is that fair?

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Speaker 18: Well, we've been through this a few times, Mike, I

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Speaker 2: Preciate it very much. Race Smith, who's the MPI Director General,

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Speaker 2: Holding on as the headline the New Zealand housing market stirs,

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Speaker 2: That is quite the turnaround and will take it. Catherine

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Speaker 2: New Day New Word Oxford University. They do the Dictionary

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Speaker 2: of Course their word of the Year in certifications the

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Speaker 2: Best by a mile because brain rot's not that good.

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Speaker 2: Thirty seven thousand people took part in this particular one,

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Speaker 2: the supposed deterioration of a person's mental or intellectual state,

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Speaker 2: especially viewed as a result of over consumption of material

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Speaker 2: considered to be trivial or unchallenging. The use of brain

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Speaker 2: rot increase two hundred and thirty percent this year, but

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Speaker 2: in fact it's been around for over one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing you six forty.

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Speaker 3: Five international correspondence with ins and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 3: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: We go carelin morning, good morning mate. In a moment

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Speaker 2: of high drama, you come in at exactly the right moment.

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Speaker 2: Barnier is doing what he's calling people's bluff or or not.

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Speaker 13: Well rolling the diece, I would say, and it's a

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Speaker 13: pretty loaded dice. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 13: The French Prime Minister, who has been in office for

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Speaker 13: two and a half months, put forward the Social Security

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Speaker 13: budget Bill into Parliament today after spending the whole weekend

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Speaker 13: going to and fro with Marine Leapenn, the leader of

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Speaker 13: the largest block in the Parliament, at the far right

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Speaker 13: National rally. They had, honestly, Mike, they'd spent the weekend,

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Speaker 13: kind of like kids, you know, just one last thing,

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Speaker 13: just when I thing one last time. She almost got

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Speaker 13: everything she wanted and then in the end the Prime

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Speaker 13: Minister said no, there could be no more giving way,

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Speaker 13: no more presence from this budget. The French economy is

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Speaker 13: really a bad way. This part of the budget had

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Speaker 13: to go through. He knew he wasn't going to get

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Speaker 13: it through Parliament, so pushed it through without a vote,

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Speaker 13: which you know is taking the constitution to the limit

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Speaker 13: he can do. But if you do that in France,

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Speaker 13: the constitution then allows parliament to have a no confidence vote.

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Speaker 13: And the far left and the far right, which make

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Speaker 13: up the bulk of Parliament, they have now put forward

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Speaker 13: that no confidence and that motion will be heard on Wednesday.

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Speaker 13: It's a hostile parliament, Mike. They want to see his back.

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Speaker 13: As he left the chamber, they were calling out, oh.

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Speaker 2: Does he win it or not? And if he doesn't,

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Speaker 2: literally what happens.

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Speaker 13: Well, if he wins it, he just moves on to

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Speaker 13: the next fight, which will be later that day. This

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Speaker 13: is only part of the budget. He still needs to

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Speaker 13: get the rest of the budget through. He still needs

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Speaker 13: to save what's that bad one hundred and seven billion

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Speaker 13: New Zealand dollars off next year's budget. So he would

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Speaker 13: just if he wins his fun he just goes on

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Speaker 13: to the next battle the next day. Well, so you

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Speaker 13: know what happens if he loses, Well, the government falls.

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Speaker 13: We then have a caretaker government and then the president's

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Speaker 13: manual Macron tries to find a new government. What will happen, though,

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Speaker 13: let's say best case scenario would be financial and political uncertainty.

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Speaker 13: The bond markets are already walking away from French debt.

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Speaker 13: The cost of French debt is just so high at

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Speaker 13: the moment, so it would just be a real problem,

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Speaker 13: not just for France financially, but also for the Eurozone,

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Speaker 13: because don't forget, France is one of twenty countries that

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Speaker 13: shares the Euro And as they say, Mike, you know,

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Speaker 13: when the bond market walks, then you really got a problem.

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Speaker 2: And this was the thing we were talking this time

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Speaker 2: seven days ago, Catherine. We were suggesting the word Greece

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Speaker 2: was going to be in play, and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, You're borrowing costs are at Greekly you look

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Speaker 2: like Greece. Is France embarrassed by this?

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Speaker 13: I don't think you know, Joe blogs in the streets

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Speaker 13: is embarrassed. But certainly for some bizarre reason last week,

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Speaker 13: my end of last week standed in poor debt rating

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Speaker 13: on France didn't go down, it didn't get a negative ratings.

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Speaker 13: So clearly there are some people around there who think

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Speaker 13: that this is the Eurozone's second largest economy. It can

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Speaker 13: come right difficult to see you just some of these

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Speaker 13: figures we're looking at, Mike, manufacturing sector had the roughest

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Speaker 13: November since twenty twenty. Your weak demand, weak international demand,

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Speaker 13: it's all all the lights are flashing red. But for

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Speaker 13: some reason, the Parliament is hostile and they say that

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Speaker 13: essentially at the end of the day, Mike, what they

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Speaker 13: were saying is tax the rich, leave the less well

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Speaker 13: off alone. Because what they're arguing about, Mike, with things

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Speaker 13: like what you have to pay for prescriptions, what people

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Speaker 13: had to pay for the doctor. And the far left

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Speaker 13: the far right just turned around and said tax the rich. Well,

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Speaker 13: Macron's party says, no, don't tax the rich. Don't put

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Speaker 13: taxes up exactly.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, let's in on a bright note. I was

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Speaker 2: watching a little bit of Macron's tour the other day

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Speaker 2: of Notre Dame. This thing this weekend, and gosh, it

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Speaker 2: looks beautiful, doesn't it?

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Speaker 13: Isn't it stunning? And didn't they keep it a secret?

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Speaker 13: Making journals are usually dreadful gossips, So some of those

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Speaker 13: who'd been in there and done the photos earlier said

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Speaker 13: nothing about what we were going to see when he

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Speaker 13: went in there. It was gobsmacking. And we were also

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Speaker 13: told it was having going to be a few chapels

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Speaker 13: that were open, but that's going to be the whole

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Speaker 13: of the inside. It is going to be wonderful, apart

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Speaker 13: from the weather. It's going to rain. So questions of

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Speaker 13: being asked as did Macron know that when he went

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Speaker 13: in there it was going to be gorgeous skies? They

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Speaker 13: got the pictures, but this weekend's going to be really dreadful.

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Speaker 2: I reckon talk to you, so Catherine Field in France,

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Speaker 2: and we haven't seen the pictures. He did a tour

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Speaker 2: and it really is just an astonishingly beautiful place and

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Speaker 2: a bunch of ceremonies coming up this weekend. Five years

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Speaker 2: on five years is how long it took them to

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Speaker 2: rebuild the whole place, ten minutes away from.

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Speaker 12: Seven costing breakfast with the range rover Villa.

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Speaker 2: The poet in the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday by a

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Speaker 2: person called Hassan Hassan on what's happening in Syria at

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Speaker 2: the moment. The general consensus and I've been reading a

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Speaker 2: little bit about it, obviously one agrees Moscow's preoccupied. They

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Speaker 2: basically saved them last time. Iran stepped in but didn't

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Speaker 2: quite perform to be well, turn out to be as

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Speaker 2: effective as they thought they might say. Moscow came and

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Speaker 2: basically saved as sad. This time both are preoccupied and

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Speaker 2: it's and he's a shadow of that. Whole regime is

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Speaker 2: a shadow of its former self. Hence the rebels have

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Speaker 2: moved at the appropriate time. It's quite clever if you

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Speaker 2: think about it, taking nothing away from the seriousness of

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Speaker 2: what's actually going on in the country. But it looks

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Speaker 2: increasingly like a sad is done for. Is Biden the

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Speaker 2: worst president of the modern age? Given what he did?

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Speaker 14: Now?

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Speaker 2: To be fair, Trump pardoned a whole lot of people.

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Speaker 2: They all do. And the idea originally was there might

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Speaker 2: be a few people there who don't deserve to be

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Speaker 2: in jail, and you, as a president going out can

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Speaker 2: pardon them, and that's a nice thing to do. Of course,

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Speaker 2: it all turned to self interest and they just pardon

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Speaker 2: their mates. Paul Man of Fort Roger Stone, Charlie Kushner,

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Speaker 2: Steve Bannon, all those crooks got pardoned by Trump. So

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Speaker 2: for all the people who are going, oh, Biden's the

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Speaker 2: worst ever, Trump's pretty bad. Obama, Chelsea Manning need I

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Speaker 2: say more. Bush only cleared a couple of hundred people.

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Speaker 2: A Scooter Libby, remember Lewis Scooter Libby, former assistant convicted

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Speaker 2: of perjury Clinton four hundred and fifty nine people. One

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Speaker 2: was his half brother. Half brother had a bit of

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Speaker 2: trouble in the cocaine, so he got a nice pardon.

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Speaker 2: Most famous one, of course, is Nixon by Ford. So

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Speaker 2: for all the people, I mean, Biden's just hopeless. But

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Speaker 2: it's not like he's the first five minutes away from

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Speaker 2: seven Bill and the ouse.

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Speaker 1: It's the biz with business timor take your business productivity to.

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Speaker 12: The next level.

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Speaker 2: Centrix credit data for you. What I've I got mortgage

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Speaker 2: area is not too bad. Really, number of people are

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Speaker 2: in trouble has risen twenty one thousand and three one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Is that a lot isn't a lot. Ten percent increased

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Speaker 2: year on year, but itquates to just one point four

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Speaker 2: to two percent of people with a mortgage. So in

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Speaker 2: other words, ninety eight point you know what, don't have

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Speaker 2: a problem at all. New mortgage lending is up seven

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Speaker 2: point seven percent. That's because of interest rates coming down,

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Speaker 2: lending restrictions easy, so that's encouraging. Consumer areas up a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Four hundred and sixty one thousand people around

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Speaker 2: the place are behind on payments. That's twelve point four No,

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Speaker 2: it's not twelve point one percent of the active credit

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Speaker 2: population goes up this time of year anyway, good news.

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Speaker 2: If you're over due by more than ninety days, that's

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Speaker 2: dropped by fifteen percent, so that's a good sign. No

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Speaker 2: real change in credit card delinquencies, so that seems to

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Speaker 2: have plateaued. Worst number is those in what they call

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Speaker 2: financial hardship. That's more than thirteen thousand, which is up

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Speaker 2: twenty percent year on year. But I mean, financial hardship

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Speaker 2: is such a kind of you know, your hardship's not

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Speaker 2: my hardship, and people gave you paying more than thirty

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Speaker 2: percent not on your mortgage. You can't make ends meet

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Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So it's a made up number. In

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Speaker 2: the year to June, over three hundred million dollars has

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Speaker 2: been taken out a key we save and for hardship reasons.

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Speaker 2: Let's competed with one hundred and seventy three million in

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Speaker 2: the year before. So it's gone from one seventy three

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Speaker 2: to three hundred. Not encouraging because of course we need

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Speaker 2: to save for retirement and that's the problem with general

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Speaker 2: retirement saving the plans to tither. It's not really for retirement,

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Speaker 2: it's for retirement, or if it's not for retirement, it's

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Speaker 2: for a house. And if it's not for a retirement

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Speaker 2: or a house, it's for a difficult times. So it's

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Speaker 2: really just I don't know, like a bank account in

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Speaker 2: many respects. Now, what have we got to deal with

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Speaker 2: the next half hour? The Supreme Court yesterday God blessed them,

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Speaker 2: saw the Appeal Court for what it was when it

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Speaker 2: came to customary title. So is an appeal on And

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Speaker 2: if you're asking what the hell's all this about, I

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Speaker 2: shall explain shortly after the news which is.

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Speaker 1: Next demanding the answers from the decision makers.

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Speaker 12: The Mike asking.

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way.

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Speaker 2: News, togs V I think seven past seven tours, the

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Speaker 2: Jobless Numbers rise new approach to deal with the benefits

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Speaker 2: and beneficiaries. The idea is to have individual job plans

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Speaker 2: to help get people back to work. Now, Muriel Willem

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Speaker 2: is with Career Gun Service New Focus and as whether

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Speaker 2: as Muriel morning, Good morning Mike. The sort of advice

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Speaker 2: you offer is what they wouldn't ordinarily have anyway.

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Speaker 9: Sorry, sorry, I couldn't hear you.

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Speaker 2: What sort of advice would you offer that they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have normally?

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Speaker 9: Anyway, that they wouldn't normally have.

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Speaker 2: When a person comes to you who doesn't have a job,

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Speaker 2: what sort of advice are you able to offer them

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Speaker 2: that they.

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Speaker 9: Don't have as a professional? Okay, so it's trends professionals,

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Speaker 9: it's counseling. The first pass is the counseling and then

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Speaker 9: we move into the career focused approach. So within the counseling,

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Speaker 9: you've got, you know, we able to address all the

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Speaker 9: mental health issues, the other work based issues that people

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Speaker 9: may have had, maybe with bullying, with being made with dundant.

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Speaker 9: We still people really suffering from that post COVID effects

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Speaker 9: with not being able to get back on the horse,

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Speaker 9: and those are the skills that we have as strength

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Speaker 9: professionals to be able to address with our clients.

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Speaker 2: You deal with the hardcore into the market. In other words,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people lose their jobs, they just simply

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Speaker 2: go out and get another one. These are people who

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason can't.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there is definitely a lot of that. Definitely there's

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Speaker 9: some barriers there. If people go to a curious practitioner,

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Speaker 9: that's because they need some extra support in saying that

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Speaker 9: those who may not feel that way are still finding

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Speaker 9: it really challenging because there's just not many jobs out there.

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Speaker 2: No, that's although it's important to point out at the

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Speaker 2: moment that no one gets pinged or sanctioned for not

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Speaker 2: having a job. The sanction is for people who are

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Speaker 2: not looking for a job how much of its skills base.

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Speaker 2: They just don't have skills.

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Speaker 9: I think that those they get pained generally. I mean,

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Speaker 9: clearly speaking, I would say that the majority of the

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Speaker 9: people that we work with they want a job. So

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Speaker 9: you've got people who've been unemployed for a long time

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Speaker 9: they don't have For example, they might have been left

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Speaker 9: behind in terms of the computer skills, and that's an

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Speaker 9: area where MSD potentially will be able to support them.

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Speaker 9: But then we've got issues with people who don't have transport,

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Speaker 9: they don't have a reliable con they need to receive

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Speaker 9: their license and all those issues are they become clite

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Speaker 9: major because we don't have the systems to allow for

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Speaker 9: all that to happen and people to go relatively quickly

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Speaker 9: back into employment.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the difficulty. I suppose that then comes to

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Speaker 2: life skills, doesn't it And how much you want to

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Speaker 2: fix for yourself as opposed to relying on other people

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Speaker 2: to do it. Murial, appreciate your insight, Muriel William with

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Speaker 2: the Career Guarden Service and FUNC array. By the way,

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister were on this later on in the program.

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Speaker 2: It's ten minutes past seven. Big twist in the twenty

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Speaker 2: year legal saga. This is over the Mariy customary rights

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Speaker 2: to the foreshore and sea beds. Supreme Courts widen they're

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Speaker 2: all the majority of the Court of Appeal erd in

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Speaker 2: their decision. Makes how as a barrister at Thornton Chambers

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Speaker 2: and is with us very good morning. Is this tricky

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Speaker 2: if I'm the Ultimate Court of the land, given being

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Speaker 2: the government, do I need to appeal anything? Given I

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Speaker 2: can do what I want.

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Speaker 16: So this is the final top court making this decision,

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Speaker 16: so that the government can't appeal this decision and the

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Speaker 16: government has one here and a unanimous decision at the

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Speaker 16: Supreme Court where the Supreme Court's found that the Court

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Speaker 16: appeal got it slightly wrong.

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Speaker 2: Right, But having said that, what does it tell us

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Speaker 2: about what the appeal got what the appeal court got wrong?

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Speaker 16: Yes, So what all this was about is customary marine title,

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Speaker 16: basically customary rights for Maori. And basically what the Supreme

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Speaker 16: Court said is two things are important, control and continuity.

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Speaker 16: So the group trying to get these customer rights needs

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Speaker 16: to have controlled the area and there also needs to

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Speaker 16: have been continuous use of the area. And the Supreme

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Speaker 16: Court basically said, when you're looking at continuous use and control,

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Speaker 16: they're going to allow a wider range of interruptions. So

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Speaker 16: they've said things like a permanent port infrastructure, for example,

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Speaker 16: might be seen as interrupting that continuity over time. I

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Speaker 16: know that sounds a bit legalistic, but basically it means

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Speaker 16: that it's slightly harder for Mary to get a customer

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Speaker 16: member entirely after this decision.

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Speaker 2: Was it overt overreach from the Appeal Court in the

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Speaker 2: first place?

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Speaker 16: Not in my view, Mike. They were trying to make

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Speaker 16: sense of quite a complicated law. So what the courts

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Speaker 16: try to do is try to understand the intention of

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Speaker 16: Parliament and not just across one law, but across the

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Speaker 16: whole law. And so I think they did have quite

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Speaker 16: a difficult task. But I think the Supreme Court has

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Speaker 16: written quite a considered judgment here. It's unanimous, so it's

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Speaker 16: written by all of the judges, which is quite unusual.

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Speaker 16: And they've also said some some other interesting things about

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Speaker 16: how the law should apply.

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Speaker 2: In what the government are trying to do. Now take

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Speaker 2: it back to twenty eleven. Does that clear it up

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Speaker 2: as well as provide the intent the current government wants

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Speaker 2: or not?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, and my view just does clear up quite a

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Speaker 16: lot of things. The Court has also clarified what that

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Speaker 16: control requirement means. They've clarified the kind of the bit

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Speaker 16: what the lawyers call the burden of proof. So I

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Speaker 16: do think government really needs to go back to the

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Speaker 16: drawing board a little bit. They had prepared responding to

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Speaker 16: the Court of Appeal judgment. Now the position's changed, so

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Speaker 16: I think we've got a bit of a reset and

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Speaker 16: I think the Prime Minister did say yesterday he was

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Speaker 16: getting careful advice and I think that's probably the right option.

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Speaker 2: Max. Appreciate you time very much, Barrister at Thornton Chambers,

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Speaker 2: it is thirteen minutes past seven, asking all right, the

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Speaker 2: government should still clarify the law so courts get a

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Speaker 2: clear message that Parliament makes the rules, Bob, that's what

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Speaker 2: they're trying to do. This is the whole pape. You

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Speaker 2: haven't followed the story. Twenty eleven, they had a law,

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Speaker 2: it was fine, and then Sa MARII went nah, hung on,

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Speaker 2: we don't like that, so we go to the court.

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Speaker 2: So they went to the court. Eventually got to the

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Speaker 2: Court of Appeal. The Court of Appeal went, you know, oh,

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Speaker 2: we agree with you. So that then up ends at

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Speaker 2: which point the government has to do something. So they appealed.

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Speaker 2: They go to the Supreme Court and fortunately the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court has agreed with them, so that presumably is the

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Speaker 2: end of that. But this is the difficulty with making

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Speaker 2: law and having governments that don't believe that they're the

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Speaker 2: ultimate court in the land and listening too much to

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Speaker 2: activist courts. Mike, there was a wonderful decision from the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court yesterday, probably the most significant of the last

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Speaker 2: seven years. Hopefully they're now reading the room. I agree

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Speaker 2: with your fourteen past the.

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Speaker 1: Like asking Breakfast Fall Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News.

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Speaker 2: Talks at be more with the Prime Ministers shortly on

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Speaker 2: that Supreme Court too. By the way, sixteen past seven

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Speaker 2: are we find the nurses are back on strike again

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Speaker 2: today About thirty six thousand nurses, midwife's healthcare assistants are out.

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Speaker 2: This time. They're arguing patient safety, apparently. Health New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Executive for the Northern Region Mark Shepherd with us,

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 4: Good morning mine, So thanks for having it.

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Speaker 2: Not at all, So another day, another strike. Seems like

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Speaker 2: a beleagued, unhappy sort of place, is it.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that. It is the beginning of a

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Speaker 4: bargaining process with the New Zealand Nurse Association and we're

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Speaker 4: a little disappointed the strike has happened so soon, but

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Speaker 4: we're fully prepared in our hospitals to meet the challenges.

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Speaker 2: How far through the process are you?

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Speaker 4: It's only relatively early bargaining how we started over a

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Speaker 4: month ago. We do have some date set in early

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Speaker 4: New years to continue the discussions, and I think that's

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Speaker 4: an important part of understanding issues for nurses and being

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Speaker 4: able to move forward together.

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Speaker 2: They're arguing patient safety. Is it about patient safety or

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Speaker 2: is it about money?

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Speaker 4: Well as as it's a balance of both, and you'd

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Speaker 4: have to ask us them their view on patient safety.

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Speaker 4: We believe we've got a safe organization. We've continued to

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Speaker 4: work with the unions. There's more nurses on the floor

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Speaker 4: in this Zealent hospitals than ever before, have thirty five

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Speaker 4: thousand nurses just in the last twelve months, an additional

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Speaker 4: three eight hundred nurses on the floor out there caring

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Speaker 4: for patients in our community. So we believe we've done

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Speaker 4: a lot to respond to patient safety discussion.

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Speaker 2: That's the forgotten part of the story. I think people

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Speaker 2: are confused, aren't they, Because I mean, all the headlines

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Speaker 2: are about the people who can't get work in the

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Speaker 2: hiring freeze and all that sort of stuff. The simple

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Speaker 2: fact of the matter is there's a mismatch going on.

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are job openings

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Speaker 2: in certain areas of the health sector, not in others.

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Speaker 2: You have put more people, as you say, on the floor,

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Speaker 2: and therefore you are growing the workforce.

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Speaker 4: Is all of that correct, That is absolutely correct, and

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Speaker 4: that's ongoing. Only in the last few days the Commissioner

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Speaker 4: announced an additional fifty senior medical stuff and also additional

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Speaker 4: timbergion dollar targeted fund for specific nursing roles for specific areas.

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Speaker 4: Are those sorts of you're.

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Speaker 2: Going, okay, so on going on strike between eleven and seven.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no answer to this. But when you

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Speaker 2: go on straight between eleven and seven, what does that achieve?

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Speaker 2: I mean, what change is here?

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Speaker 4: I suppose really new data union what they think they're

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Speaker 4: below they achieve. I mean, I suppose it's making a

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Speaker 4: statement and during attention to the issue that there is

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Speaker 4: some strength of an united sort of front with the

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Speaker 4: nurses around wanting a fair pain. That's my assumptions. At

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, what's really important is anybody

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Speaker 4: staying in hospital during the strike will receive the care

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Speaker 4: and support they need. You have well developed plants right

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Speaker 4: across the system to ensure that healthcare delivery continues. We

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Speaker 4: have paired back some of our non urgent care. Things

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Speaker 4: are plain care like might be an appointment or non

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Speaker 4: urgent surgery, and we will look to reschedule those surgeries

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Speaker 4: or treatment as soon as possible. Anything that is time

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Speaker 4: critical will continue, and all other emergency departments and services

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Speaker 4: remain open injunction.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mike, appreciate it. Mike Sheppard, out of Health,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Mike, My daughter is halfway through a nursing

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Speaker 2: degree and now she's worried you can't get a job

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Speaker 2: because of all the foreign nurses coming in. You're incorrect.

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Speaker 2: percent of your pre retirement income. Right, So that's easily

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Speaker 2: for most people going to require they've worked out in

868
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Speaker 2: excess of a million dollars. Is that then the equivalent

869
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Speaker 2: of say, ten fruit and veg day for you? In

870
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: theory that's what you actually need, but in reality you

871
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: can't cope with it. So to get even close, a

872
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Speaker 2: person starting out on fifty thousand dollars a year in

873
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: their work life would be on track to save three

874
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Speaker 2: hundred and forty thousand dollars by a retirement in a

875
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Speaker 2: growth fund. And that assumes, by the way, you don't

876
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Speaker 2: take money out for a house. If you want half

877
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: a million, you'll need to save six percent of every

878
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: dollar you earn your entire working life. Your salary, of course,

879
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: might go up a lot, or it might not. You're

880
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: still on those numbers. Don't have a million bucks? What

881
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: if your house? What's your If your house is worth

882
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: a million by sixty five? If so, do you afflick

883
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: that by half a million dollar unit in rural New

884
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 2: Zealand take your savings? Is that the life you imagined?

885
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: And what if you didn't put that six percent aside

886
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 2: because you're, oh, I don't know young. You care free

887
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: and Greece and a motorbike and some partying is calling

888
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: saving of courses for another day, until of course you

889
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: panic in midlife and you wonder how the hell you're

890
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: going to do it. And that is why essentially we

891
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Speaker 2: have a retirement cost issue in this country, because we

892
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: aren't inherently sabers. And at least part of the reason

893
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 2: for that is the mentality that drives the idea in

894
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: young people that they could never afford a house. It's

895
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Speaker 2: beyond them. You can't afford a house, you can't save

896
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: a million dollars. You're not eating ten fruit and veg

897
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: a day, and around and around it goes asking. Right,

898
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Speaker 2: my daughter halfway through a nursing degree, worried you won't

899
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Speaker 2: get a job because of immigrants we need. What people

900
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Speaker 2: don't seem to be understanding is and this is partially

901
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Speaker 2: the union's fault, because the unions are going we are

902
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Speaker 2: thousands of nurses, thousands of doctors short, which probably we are.

903
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Speaker 2: But even if you accept those numbers, we're not filling them.

904
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Speaker 2: Why because we don't have the money. You can't just

905
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Speaker 2: create jobs for the sake of creating jobs with money

906
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Speaker 2: you don't have. Equally, in there is the reality that

907
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: there are lots of jobs available in the health service,

908
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: mental health being a classic example. They're desperately short of

909
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Speaker 2: people in the mental health area. But do most people

910
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: want to work in the mental health area. No, they

911
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: want to work at a GP's office or an ED

912
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Speaker 2: or in just a regular hospital wart And so you know,

913
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Speaker 2: those jobs go unfilled. Then you hear the stories, as

914
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Speaker 2: we've heard this week, that the graduates graduate and they

915
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: apply for their jobs and they don't get the jobs,

916
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: and they go, oh my god, I didn't get a job. Well,

917
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Speaker 2: they could have got a job if they applied in

918
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Speaker 2: the right area, or in the right city, or in

919
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 2: the right town. So it's a bit more complicated than

920
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Speaker 2: they make out, unfortunately, and that's why we bring immigrants in,

921
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: not because we've got nothing better to do with our time,

922
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Speaker 2: but because we can't find the local to fill the

923
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Speaker 2: jobs in the first place. Anyway, you'd know all this

924
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Speaker 2: if you were running the country and Christopher Luction is,

925
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Speaker 2: and he is with us in a couple of months.

926
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Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and fuse the mic asking

927
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Speaker 1: breakfast with the range rover villa designed to intrigue, can

928
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Speaker 1: use togs.

929
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Speaker 2: That'd be Rovin Cleary on winning and success. Two eight

930
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Speaker 2: o'clock going to have him on the program meantime of

931
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Speaker 2: twenty three minutes away from a Tuesday morning payments the

932
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Speaker 2: Crystopher Luction is with us. Good morning, Good morning, Mike.

933
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Speaker 2: How are you very well? And do thank you? The

934
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Speaker 2: Supreme Court decision yesterday overruling the Appeal Court. What do

935
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Speaker 2: you do? Just carry on with the law as you're

936
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Speaker 2: looking to reamend?

937
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Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously it was a very

938
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Speaker 19: correick decision given we had appealed the decision of the

939
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Speaker 19: Court of Appeal as well, and the Supreme Court came

940
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Speaker 19: back very very quickly. Frankly, decision came out like yesterday.

941
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Speaker 19: It actually takes a bit of time to go through

942
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Speaker 19: those rulings to really understand exactly the nature of it,

943
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Speaker 19: and then Goldsmith or Godsmith will take some time just

944
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Speaker 19: to digest that and then obviously have more to say

945
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Speaker 19: about it in due course.

946
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Speaker 2: But in saying something about it in due course, does

947
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Speaker 2: that change the way you're looking to put the twenty

948
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Speaker 2: eleven back the way it was or not?

949
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

950
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Speaker 19: Well, I mean for your listeners essentially, you know, we

951
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 19: had a rule, you had a law pass in Parliament

952
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 19: twenty eleven. The Court of Appeal interpreted that law in

953
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Speaker 19: a way that lowered the threshold, which we felt didn't

954
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Speaker 19: get the balance right between the legitim Minstress of all

955
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Speaker 19: key weis and also Malori customer title. And that's why

956
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 19: we were actually legislating over the top to bring it

957
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Speaker 19: back in line with what Parliament intended that law to be.

958
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Speaker 7: And that was the process we're going down.

959
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 19: Obviously, we've had the Supreme Court overturn the Court of Appeal,

960
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 19: which is a positive thing, but we just need to

961
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 19: digest exactly and go through the detail of that ruling

962
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Speaker 19: to understand exactly what their decision has been.

963
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 2: Well, the decision, apart does anything else, is unanimous. Does

964
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: that mean the Appeal Court is activist and needs to

965
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: be told their activists? So we're not way God knows

966
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: how many millions of dollars going back and forward and

967
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: run around circles.

968
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Speaker 19: Well, as you know, under committee, I won't be commenting

969
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Speaker 19: on anything around the judiciary, but what I'd say is yes,

970
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Speaker 19: I mean, it was good to see the Supreme Court

971
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Speaker 19: come back very quickly given the appeal. It was a

972
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Speaker 19: very fast decision. I think it was within ten days

973
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Speaker 19: of the appeal being put in. And it is a

974
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Speaker 19: unanimous decision. But as you know, when you get these rulings,

975
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Speaker 19: and we only got it yesterday afternoon or something, it's

976
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Speaker 19: a lot to it and I just need Paul to

977
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Speaker 19: actually take some time to digest it and work out

978
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Speaker 19: what that means for US legislation.

979
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: Reported to this morning the Defense Force the operating deficit

980
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Speaker 2: is looking at three hundred and fifty million in the

981
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Speaker 2: wrong way next year. Is that true? And more importantly,

982
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: where's your Defense review at? Yeah?

983
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Speaker 19: Look, I haven't been briefed on their budget spending. I

984
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Speaker 19: expect all agencies to work within budgets, obviously, and we

985
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 19: know we need to spend more on defense. The challenge here,

986
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Speaker 19: Mike is, you know we need to spend more on

987
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Speaker 19: defense ultimately, but I want to put good money into

988
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 19: a good strategy. And we're in a place where we've

989
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Speaker 19: actually we have new heads of Army, Navy, Air Force,

990
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 19: new chief, new deputy chief, new Secretary of Defense, new

991
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 19: minister obviously, and I've asked all seven of those leaders

992
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 19: to say, right as a new team, I want to

993
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 19: see a good strategy that actually we can invest in

994
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 19: over the long term, that actually builds capability for New Zealand.

995
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 19: And we're very clear about where we're going to invest

996
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 19: and where we're not going to invest. And once we've

997
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Speaker 19: got a good strategy, we can obviously tip more money

998
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Speaker 19: into it over time. And we certainly that is out

999
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 19: we put more money in at the budget as you

1000
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Speaker 19: saw in budget twenty four. We're very open to spending

1001
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 19: more on defense. But it's a good case of if

1002
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Speaker 19: you're going to put good money into you need to

1003
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Speaker 19: be a good money into a good strategy. And that's

1004
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Speaker 19: my task of the Defense.

1005
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: Force, and so where is it that? Because it's all

1006
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Speaker 2: it was Duet's ob due, isn't it?

1007
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 19: No, No, no, we said that early next year would

1008
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Speaker 19: be fine, but actually they'll be making good progress that

1009
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Speaker 19: we're working our way through those conversations, and in fact,

1010
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Speaker 19: we've had a number of very good sessions on it recently.

1011
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 19: So they've got a good plan emerging. And you know

1012
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Speaker 19: what I'm interested in is the choices of where we're

1013
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 19: going to make those investments to build, you know, expertise

1014
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 19: and capability that New Zealand can bring an add to

1015
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Speaker 19: it its alliance.

1016
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Speaker 7: Relationships as well. So part of the expert things like

1017
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 7: the sorry.

1018
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: Sorry I was going to say, would some of the

1019
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: expertise be the ability to know what auto pilot is?

1020
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 19: Well, look incredibly frustrating for everybody involves, and frustrating for

1021
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 19: us as well as you would understand. But I thought

1022
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Speaker 19: the Navy, in fairness, the new Admiral and the Chief

1023
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 19: of Navy actually did a very good job of fronting

1024
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Speaker 19: and that court else.

1025
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Speaker 2: I mean, I watched, I watched, I mean, I thought

1026
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Speaker 2: you were unduly kind. Yesterday. I watched that briefing on

1027
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Speaker 2: Friday with his extended point at where do you even

1028
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: buy an extendable pointer from? For God's sake, tailor, he's

1029
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: got a photo of two thrusters and he's pointing at

1030
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Speaker 2: the thrusters telling me that when auto pilots on the

1031
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Speaker 2: thrusters don't work, really, come.

1032
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Speaker 7: On, Well, I just say to you, Mike, he is

1033
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Speaker 7: a good man, and he surely is.

1034
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a brand new.

1035
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Speaker 7: Chief of Navy.

1036
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Speaker 19: He stepped into this issue right from day one, owned it,

1037
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Speaker 19: fronted it. We've put a very number two up there

1038
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Speaker 19: in Samoa who's been working incredibly well cleaning up what

1039
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Speaker 19: is an unfortunate accident be caused by human error. Incredibly

1040
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Speaker 19: frustrating for everybody to get it. But it's the question

1041
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 19: of now what do you do about it? And please say, well,

1042
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Speaker 19: they'll work their way through that, as he said in

1043
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Speaker 19: the first quarter of next year. I just think the

1044
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 19: Court of Inquiry process has been run.

1045
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: Very very well.

1046
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Speaker 19: It's a very rigorous, very robust process, and it's been

1047
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 19: very transparent and very straight up.

1048
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: Are we going to look at in any serious way,

1049
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: shape or form backing oil and gas to go find

1050
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: oil and gas? As per the letter written to change Jones.

1051
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I saw that yesterday.

1052
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Speaker 19: I understand Shane's received advice on that or getting advice

1053
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Speaker 19: on that.

1054
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 7: We haven't made any decisions about that.

1055
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Speaker 19: We have obviously made a decision we want to reverse

1056
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Speaker 19: the ban on oil and gas, and that's important because

1057
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 19: we're importing a hell of a lot of Indonesian coal

1058
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 19: rather than you're trying to drive domestic gas, which would

1059
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 19: be a hell of a lot better for greenhouse guests

1060
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Speaker 19: and also for.

1061
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 7: Our energy security. But with particularly, I.

1062
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 19: Know Shane's taken advice or receiving advice on it, but

1063
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Speaker 19: we certainly haven't had a conversation about that or any discussion.

1064
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: Are you open to it as a concept? Does I

1065
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: raise it with you this morning? It seems I assume

1066
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: they're trying it on because I mean, you know, if

1067
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: we're just going to foot the bill for every person

1068
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: to come into the country and do whatever they want

1069
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: to do, we're going to go broke, and we already

1070
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Speaker 2: are broke.

1071
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 19: Yeah, I think our real focus will be making sure

1072
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Speaker 19: that we're doing the regulatory things that give certainty and

1073
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 19: clarity about the regime going forward. You know, essentially, when

1074
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 19: you go kill oil and gas and the way the

1075
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Speaker 19: previous government did. That just sends a chilling effect right

1076
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Speaker 19: through the investment community.

1077
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Speaker 7: Say, cheapest, you know, the.

1078
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Speaker 19: Rules can change at any point in time, and why

1079
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Speaker 19: would I invest for something that you know I might

1080
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Speaker 19: need a fifteen or twenty year payback before I get

1081
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Speaker 19: the return. So you know, what we've got to do

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Speaker 19: is just you know, again, get the adults in the room,

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Speaker 19: get it gripped up, and be really clear to those

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Speaker 19: investors as to what the regime is going to be

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Speaker 19: and how it will be going forward. So and I

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Speaker 19: even heard, you know, I think Hepkin saying the other

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Speaker 19: day that you know, it's something that he wouldn't rush

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Speaker 19: to overturn miss implemented anyway, and so you know that

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Speaker 19: that's I mean, it's it's crazy that they did overturn it,

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Speaker 19: you know, because that was like end oil and gas

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Speaker 19: and no plan, Okay what comes next? And essentially that

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Speaker 19: just led to massive importation of coal and restop domestic

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Speaker 19: gas production, which is just you know, did not think

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Speaker 19: three second, third order consequences of a bumper slogan And

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Speaker 19: that's a decision.

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Speaker 2: So you do you know what's happened at Solar zero.

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Speaker 19: Look very little there I mean, I mean woman And

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Speaker 19: the reason is essentially this New Zealand Green Investment Fund,

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Speaker 19: which actually has put significant capital committed to Solar zero,

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Speaker 19: operates at.

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Speaker 7: An arm's length from government. I mean.

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Speaker 19: The key thing is this is a massive shop for

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Speaker 19: folk when you think about it, I mean there's one hundred.

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Speaker 7: And sixty employees there.

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Speaker 19: This was a significant solar energy come I think they

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Speaker 19: had forty percent market share from memory and it's you know,

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Speaker 19: it's being unable to be continue trading and therefore liquidators

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Speaker 19: have been appointed. So massive shock for people impacted by it.

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Speaker 19: But also the New Zealand Green Investment Fund, which was

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Speaker 19: sure the previous government set up as an arms length thing,

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 19: has obviously committed capital to it. Our ministers are meeting

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Speaker 19: with them again later this week to gain confidence that

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Speaker 19: all the steps are being taken that can be taken.

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Speaker 2: But as part of what worries me though, is part

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Speaker 2: of the problem in our fascination with renewables. Is it

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Speaker 2: entirely possible that we're just not up for SOLA at

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Speaker 2: this scale and we're wasting our time and one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifteen million dollars of taxpayers money, or is solar

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00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: zero just a bad business.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: I don't really know Mike on that because I think,

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Speaker 19: you know, you actually need to sort of what happens

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Speaker 19: now when your point liquidators is a you know, they

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Speaker 19: go off and look at their legal and the insolvency

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Speaker 19: advisors come back with a report to say what's a

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Speaker 19: company specific You know, it could be massive issues with

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Speaker 19: the business model that's caused the problem. This was a

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Speaker 19: sort of a subscription model as I understood it, versus

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Speaker 19: and up you know, people don't spend money on the upfront.

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Speaker 7: Capital cost per se.

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Speaker 19: So there's a whole bunch of things in there that

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Speaker 19: I just don't know where that balance sits between Is

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00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 19: it a structural problem or is it actually fundamentally we

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Speaker 19: need to get.

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Speaker 2: Bottom and fifteen of our dollars direct speaking of money,

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Speaker 2: significant amount of capital committed exactly, speaking of money, the

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Speaker 2: French are here at CRL. Do you know what the

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Speaker 2: problem is and is it serious?

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Speaker 7: Not that I haven't been briefed on that at all.

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Speaker 2: Don't you want to be it's the biggest infrastructural project

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Speaker 2: in the country.

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Speaker 19: Well, yeah, well I would like to know about It's

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Speaker 19: the first I've heard about it, but it just hasn't

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Speaker 19: come to my desk.

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Speaker 2: This Oh my god, who's running your office? For goodness sake,

1146
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: there's a massive hole in blood underneath Auckland. Businesses have

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Speaker 2: gone bust for years. On the end. The thing is two,

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Speaker 2: if not three times over budget. It's years behind it.

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Speaker 2: The French are lying into the country because they're Bugget

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Speaker 2: what's going on? I asked the Prime Minister and you

1151
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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 19: Nor you framed the question in a way that said that, yeah,

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00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 19: there's something I know about CRL and what's going.

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Speaker 7: On with this?

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Speaker 2: Well, what's gone wrong? Why are the French here?

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Speaker 19: Well, I don't know why the French are here, but

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Speaker 19: you'll have to have CRL that point of view. But talking,

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Speaker 19: we need to get this project. This project's been going

1159
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Speaker 19: on forever, Dannwell needs to come to a close and

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00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 19: get finished and it gets sorted and we need to

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Speaker 19: move on. But between the CURL. But also we've done

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Speaker 19: some good work on that central interceptor in Auckland too.

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00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 19: We're through water Care by restructuring water Care and getting

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Speaker 19: it separate from the council so that Wayne Brown didn't

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Speaker 19: have to take his rates up twenty six percent as well.

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Speaker 2: Why and I asked you this at the time, why

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Speaker 2: didn't you sack Sarah Fitt when you had the opportunity

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Speaker 2: at far Mek.

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Speaker 19: Well, I mean those are decisions for the Farmac board. Yeah,

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Speaker 19: but you put in your chair in yep, poor about it.

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Speaker 2: And then we got patch trouble as of yesterday. We

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Speaker 2: had culture problems previously, and I said, why don't she's

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Speaker 2: clearing and they are clearly not the right people for

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Speaker 2: the job and they're still causing more troubles.

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Speaker 19: Well, the bit that I control is actually the board

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Speaker 19: and the governance of Farmac, and that's an appointment that

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Speaker 19: the government makes and we've done that through appointing.

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Speaker 7: A new chair. That'll be a decision for the chair

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Speaker 7: and the board.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good to talk to you. You're back on Friday,

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Speaker 2: aren't you.

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Speaker 19: I'm looking forward to my friend. I'm coming into your

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Speaker 19: studio to see you on Friday on your last show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Crystal Lacks, Prime Ministe thirteen to wait.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be oh my god, that won't help the PM's ratings.

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Speaker 2: Mike Mikey Sherman of TV won the political editor needs

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Speaker 2: to go to specsabers. It's a great story. It's a

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Speaker 2: shocking story. I'll tell you. I'll give it to you

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Speaker 2: probably after eight thirty now because I'm out of time.

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00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: A couple of good bits the Munaway Maunaewa Maria investigation.

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Speaker 2: This is the Maori Party, Tashkemp etc. That report It

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Speaker 2: is now because a lot of you contact me on

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00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: a regular basis about it. It was due September sixteen. We

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Speaker 2: hear now this came out in the public in the

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Speaker 2: Select Committee yesterday, Sir Brian Roach, who's the head of

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Speaker 2: the Public Service Public Service Commissioner. The inquiry is quote

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Speaker 2: nearing completion, subject to a final review released in the

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Speaker 2: next few weeks. I e as close to Christmas as

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Speaker 2: we possibly can, given the delayed nature of it. I

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Speaker 2: think they've got something, so we'll we'll watch and see. Mike,

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Speaker 2: can you please ask luxon why he would arrest a

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Speaker 2: democratic leader in Netanyahu who's defending his country from terror

1205
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 2: attacks and is desperate to get over one hundred civilians

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Speaker 2: hostages returned. I've never been so embarrassed of our position

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Speaker 2: as a new Zealander. Thank you, Dave. Good question. I'll

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Speaker 2: come back with the answer in a moment. This was

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Speaker 2: raised at the postcap press conference yesterday and he was

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Speaker 2: very clear was Luxon if Nettner Who arrived in the country,

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Speaker 2: he would be arrested. So more shortly eight to eight.

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Speaker 1: The make Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate US talk,

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Speaker 1: said be I.

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Speaker 2: Thought it was interesting postcap press conference yesterday. Somebody said

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Speaker 2: ICC of Nettanna who comes, will he be arrested? And

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Speaker 2: Luxeon was unequivocally he said yes, he would be Britain

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Speaker 2: in third. The other day when the ICC issued an

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Speaker 2: arrest warrant that should netna Who go to Britain, then

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00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: it could be complicated, at which point a couple of

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Speaker 2: American senators went ballistic and said, if you ever arrest Netnya,

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Speaker 2: who will ruin your economy. So Luxon opens himself up

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Speaker 2: to some approbrium from the US. But we are as

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Speaker 2: signatory to the ICC, the International Criminal Court, and they

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00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: have issued an arrest warrant, and therefore we are obliged

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Speaker 2: should net Yah I mean the saving grace here is,

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Speaker 2: of course Netnya, who's never been to New zeal And.

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Speaker 2: He never will, so it's not really going to be

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Speaker 2: a problem now. So we come to TV one's news

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Speaker 2: last night. Funny funny is a fart. Susie's unemployed. Susie's

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Speaker 2: a truck driver, former truck driver. She says she's looking

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Speaker 2: for work for the last nime months. They can't find

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Speaker 2: a job. So TV one, God bless them punching truck

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Speaker 2: driver in Hawks Bay, and it comes up on screen. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: we couldn't find anything. So hence their reports saying there

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Speaker 2: are no truck driver jobs and Hawks Bay difficulty is

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Speaker 2: that they spelt driver are the unusual way driv ber driver,

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Speaker 2: So not surprisingly, perhaps there are no driver jobs in

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Speaker 2: hawks Bay. But if you spell it the I don't know,

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Speaker 2: the old fashioned way, which would be driv er no

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Speaker 2: b see the bee's not even sign linton driver. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you know about that, but anyway, if

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Speaker 2: you spell it drive, oh my god. The sixty two jobs,

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Speaker 2: So Susie, claiming not to have a job and can't

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Speaker 2: find a job, is presumably not looking at the sixty

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Speaker 2: two that are available in Hawk's favor.

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Speaker 17: I mean if if for those sixty two people are

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Speaker 17: wanting fack drivers that can spell, and then she still

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Speaker 17: might be out of that.

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Speaker 2: More small problem. Ivan Cleary how to be a winner,

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00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: and boy is he a winner? And what did the

1251
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: Warriors lose when they said bye bye Ivan all those

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Speaker 2: years ago. Ivan Cleary is.

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Speaker 1: Next setting the news agendas and digging into the issues

1254
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Speaker 1: the Mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local

1255
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: experts across residential, commercial and rural news.

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Speaker 2: Toks heead b does that about Jingling Passtate. Ivan Cleary

1257
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Speaker 2: reveling in the sort of success very few people ever experienced.

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Speaker 2: Former Warrior, former coach of the Warriors, of course, no

1259
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Speaker 2: coach of the Penwrith Panthers is the most successful sports

1260
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: coach in Australia. Four Grand Final appearances, four wins for

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Speaker 2: in a row. His new book is about leadership and

1262
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Speaker 2: achieving success. Not everything counts, but everything matters. I've been

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Speaker 2: clearious weathers morning.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Mike. Very nice to be here.

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Speaker 2: So on this early December morning. Where are you guys

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Speaker 2: at with your off season?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're back at work preparing for the twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty five season. A lot of our players that were

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Speaker 6: in the Grand Final squad haven't come back to work out.

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Speaker 6: It's mainly just the younger guys, but they all start

1271
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Speaker 6: sort of feeding in over the next few weeks and

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Speaker 6: just after Christmas, our whole squad will be back together.

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Speaker 2: And after you know the success you've had, After you

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Speaker 2: know these four successful, extraordinary seasons, how do you plan

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Speaker 2: season number five? Is it the same as four, three,

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Speaker 2: two and one?

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Speaker 6: It's not exactly the same, but as a I guess

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Speaker 6: a core way of doing things or a template, I

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Speaker 6: suppose you could say of what we've found to be

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Speaker 6: successful that we try to sticktive. We're trying to evolve

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Speaker 6: all the time as well. Each years. You know, the

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01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 6: squads are slightly different, circumstances a little different. But I

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Speaker 6: guess that's the hardest thing is trying to find the

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Speaker 6: balance between evolving and also saying true to you know,

1285
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Speaker 6: to you know, what do you believe in and what

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Speaker 6: it works is.

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Speaker 2: For and winning leading to winning old saying but do

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Speaker 2: you believe that?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? Yeah? I mean, I guess as the danger of

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Speaker 6: living in the past that you know, because you don't

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Speaker 6: want to do that, but you can certainly learn from it,

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Speaker 6: and I think the belief that you get from it

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Speaker 6: is probably the most important thing because that can't be fake.

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Speaker 6: You know, you other think you can do it or

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 6: you can't in many respects. So it's been like compound

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Speaker 6: interest in many ways, you know, the system that we

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Speaker 6: have all the more you do it, the more the

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Speaker 6: players feel, the better customer they are to it.

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Speaker 2: So I think, so, yeah, are you enjoying it the

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Speaker 2: way you thought you would?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely love it. I mean to those I know.

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Speaker 6: I was a head coach for fourteen seasons until and

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01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 6: also played for eleven, so that's twenty five years have

1304
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 6: been in the RL before I experienced winning a premiership,

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01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 6: so there's a long time coming and I'm enjoying every

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Speaker 6: minute of it.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon the magic is? I mean, have

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01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: you actually got a recipe for it or not?

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Speaker 6: There's no magic. But I think alignment is a key word.

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01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 6: So that usually comes from you know, everyone's being on

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Speaker 6: the same page. You've heard it before, rowing in the

1312
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 6: same direction. So the culture of the organ organization I

1313
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 6: think is really important and that everyone I understand it

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 6: and be find it's fairly easy to you know, I

1315
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 6: guess to live up to. So that's probably been the

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Speaker 6: main thing. Just this alignment, everyone moving in the same direction.

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Speaker 2: And what are the learnings I mean, I refer to

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: your time maybe at the Warriors. I mean, are you

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 2: as good a coach now a better coach now you

1320
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: experienced the good days and the bad days? I mean,

1321
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Speaker 2: how does it all work out? And what role does

1322
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Speaker 2: luck play in that?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's definitely got to play this part, for sure,

1324
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 6: but yeah, you also got to make your own life.

1325
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 6: Of course, there's a lot of things to go into it.

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's just the right group with the right the

1327
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 6: right coach, just the right fit. There's so many things

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01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 6: to go in. But it definitely like plays as part,

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01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 6: I believe. But you know, I also think you've got

1330
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 6: to put position yourself, sorry, to be in the right

1331
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 6: position to actually perceive the luck when it gets handed out.

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Speaker 2: And do you look back on your time at the

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01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: Warriors in terms of you know, what could have been

1334
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 2: a review moved on and that was so long ago,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 6: And I always remember my memories of my time at

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01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 6: the Warriors. And you know, they gave gave me my

1338
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 6: initial shot at burn a head case when I was

1339
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 6: pretty young, and I took a chance on then I'll

1340
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 6: forever be in betted to them. For that, I think

1341
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 6: I am a better case than I was back then.

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Speaker 6: You mentioned the works experience to just you know, as

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01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 6: I was saying, as you can't buy it. I really

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 6: enjoyed it. I learned a lot, you know. I certainly

1345
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 6: did some things then that I know would do differently now.

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Speaker 6: But it's sort of helped me on my journey. I

1347
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 6: just think there's still so much potential in that club

1348
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 6: and looking forward to, yeah, seeing them prosper, which I'm

1349
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 6: you know, I'm really confident that they will.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad to hear that because I mean I've

1351
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: been following them now for twenty six to twenty seven years,

1352
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I'm actually still waiting for them to prosper.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we had a good couple of years,

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01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 2: but on paper, here's the thing. On paper, and last

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01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: year is probably as good as an example as any

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01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: On paper. They look like they can do well, they

1357
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: seem to have a great coach, and yet it doesn't happen. Why.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't give you an exact answer. I certainly

1359
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 6: agree with you. I'm the coach. I think Andrew's that

1360
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 6: fortunate enough to work with for a few years and

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 6: tremendous person and a great coach. The squad is healthy.

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Speaker 6: I think the ear four was probably setting them up

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01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 6: a little, probably before they may have been ready. Such

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 6: a great season in twenty three well, probably went as

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 6: far off as everyone may think. Last year, I don't think.

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Speaker 6: And there's not much in it in the NL I

1367
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 6: honestly such a tight type competition. The rigors of travel,

1368
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 6: although it's never going to go away, is far and

1369
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 6: above what anyone else has to do in the NRL,

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 6: so that's always going to be potentially an issue. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think I'll be surprised if they don't have a

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Speaker 6: much better season this year.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you're right. Listen hold on for a

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01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: couple of moments, Ivan Cleary, the book is not everything counts,

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 2: but everything matters more Shortly thirteen past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 1: by News.

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Speaker 2: Talks It'd be and coming up sixteen past eight, Ivan

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01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: clearis guess Nelison, what about recruiting and how you handle

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01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that for a moment. So again reference

1381
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: to the Warrior has got a feeder system, So is

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: that the way to work. You know, you get your

1383
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: young kids, bring them through that system or do you

1384
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: just go out with the checkbook and you know, buy

1385
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: your talent.

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Speaker 6: Well, it depends on what your mandate is at the club.

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Speaker 8: You're that.

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Speaker 6: We're quite similar here at the Panthers to to the

1389
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 6: Warriors where we are development clubs. So it's much it's

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01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 6: much easier for us to develop our own here as

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Speaker 6: opposed to going and you know, buying everyone from elsewhere,

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Speaker 6: which other clubs like the Roosters, because they just don't

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 6: have the the nursery and they just don't have the

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01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 6: you know, the numbers. I guess that's what they have

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01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 6: to do. So we we look to develop our own

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 6: so a year on year, we're just trying to improve

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01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 6: our partway system as best we can, and so we

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01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 6: get players you know that I'm already and are already

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01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 6: when they come into our system as we can. So

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Speaker 6: that's that's that's something that's worked quite well for us

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01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 6: to Worries and they are doing something similar, and it's

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01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 6: the club's always are successful like here when you know

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 6: we're getting that right.

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01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: And what's your experience towards dealing with young people? You

1405
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 2: know guys that look at like a team like the

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01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: Panthers and think, well, I can be famous, I can

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 2: be the best in the business, bringing them through in

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: a way that they're you know, decent human beings, great athletes.

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01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: They want to perform well for a site as opposed

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 2: to losing their head and exploding.

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01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it gets a little bit like parenting. I think

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01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 6: it is in many ways. Actually, you know, there's a

1413
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 6: lot of hard work to be done in any part

1414
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 6: of life. You know, we all know this to want

1415
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 6: to get to where you want to get to it

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01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 6: be successful because just you know, it's important to have goals.

1417
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 6: But it's just really a daily exercises. But every little

1418
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 6: thing you do matters, you know, on and off the field,

1419
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 6: so you know, we try to definitely keep them grounded.

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01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 6: But yeah, it got through a lot of detail, whether

1421
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 6: it's on and off the field, and just be super

1422
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 6: consistent with it. And then before we know it, some

1423
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 6: of those goals that you've written down are starting to

1424
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 6: get ticked off.

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Speaker 2: And what about you know, the level of performance you

1426
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: guys operate at nowadays and whether that affects the game,

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01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: whether it lifts the game generally, because one of the

1428
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: problems around league, of course, is every now and again,

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: on a mad Monday, a team or a series of

1430
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: players go crazy, and that hurts the reputation of the

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:26,799
Speaker 2: whole sport.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I think the game

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01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 6: as a whole has grown up a little bit, and

1434
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 6: players in that sense. I think everyone's atle bit more

1435
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 6: aware of the dangers out there, sickly with the society

1436
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 6: of technology and phones and CCT vision for everywhere. I think, yeah,

1437
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 6: I think responsibilities are much higher. I think the voys

1438
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 6: sort of understand that a lot more these days. So

1439
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 6: I don't know if we're helping, but you know, we

1440
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 6: certainly pride ourselves on not just performing on the field,

1441
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 6: finding offered as well.

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01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: The depression you talk about in the book. One was

1443
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: that difficult for you to do? And two? Did it

1444
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 2: surprise a lot of people that a person with your

1445
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: level of success suffered those sort of difficulties.

1446
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 4: I think it did.

1447
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 6: I certainly got a lot of feedback from it. I

1448
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 6: think that's part of the reason I did it is that,

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 6: you know, I've certainly found that, you know, sticking the

1450
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 6: last few years, I've just been sort of privatable finding

1451
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 6: out a lot of things about people that it's just

1452
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 6: it's out there a lot, but no one us men

1453
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 6: don't really like talking about it.

1454
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,879
Speaker 16: So I thought it was a good.

1455
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 6: Opportunity to, you know, someone who's had some success sort

1456
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 6: of you know, it's not it's not all beer and skittles.

1457
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 6: And I think the more we talk about it and

1458
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 6: sort of almost normalize it or certainly destigmatize it, I

1459
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 6: think is important because it's a silent it's a bit

1460
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 6: of a silent thing. You generally don't see it, and

1461
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 6: us as guys are pretty good at disguising it. So

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 6: that's that's really what Well, you know, while I brought

1463
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 6: it up and wanted to talk.

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Speaker 2: About it, Now, what about the longevity of coaches once

1465
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: you reach as you have a certain level of success,

1466
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 2: do you think and I said, I don't know, Bill Belichick,

1467
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 2: Alex Ferguson, do you reckon you should be able to

1468
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:13,600
Speaker 2: stay on as long as you like?

1469
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a really good question, and I don't really

1470
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 6: know the answer. You know, I've been here two times,

1471
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 6: but the second time back, I'm going into my seventh season.

1472
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 6: So at the moment, I'm just I'm just really focused

1473
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 6: on you know, one season, one campaign, you know, one

1474
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 6: pre season at a time, and I guess time will tell.

1475
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 6: I'm not looking too far into the future. The club

1476
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 6: has spoken to me about that, but I'm not at

1477
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 6: the moment. I'm I'm just happy with I've got three

1478
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 6: years to go on my current contract, So that's that's

1479
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 6: plenty as far as I you know where I am

1480
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 6: now in my life, and you're really enjoying it and

1481
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 6: just want to stay stay on a you know, I

1482
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 6: guess present if you like, and just keep trying to

1483
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 6: get this team on me.

1484
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 2: How well, how do you start that, by the way,

1485
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 2: because you say this year obviously I don't know, it's

1486
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 2: playoffs preferably top four, and we'll go from there. Or

1487
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 2: do you not look that far ahead now?

1488
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 6: I always try to start with the end in mind.

1489
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 6: I think that's that's been an important sort of change

1490
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 6: to shift in the way we look at things. So,

1491
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 6: you know, we we we want to finish with the trophy,

1492
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 6: that's what we want. And then once we've sort of

1493
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 6: settled on that, then we you know, we basically don't

1494
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 6: talk about it again sort of how we work. But

1495
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 6: I think it's important to really be really clear on

1496
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 6: where you want to get to. And I think you know,

1497
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 6: we know that we're capable, which is as I said earlier,

1498
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 6: that's an important belief to have, to know that you

1499
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 6: are one capable of doing doing it, and then it's

1500
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 6: really just working and making sure we you know, we

1501
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 6: get as close as our capabilities as we can.

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Well, listen, I wish you all the very

1503
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 2: very best for the coming season. Look forward to meeting you.

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: I say that lightly. Of course the Warriors, Ivan Cleary

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Speaker 2: one of your best. That's very nice of you to say,

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Speaker 2: brilliant love how you get the big names, Mike Ivan,

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Speaker 2: highly successful, yet it down to earth Blake. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to reading this book, I can thoroughly recommend

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Speaker 2: this book, and it's true to It's a life lesson,

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Speaker 2: is that not everything counts, but everything matters. Speaking of interviews,

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Speaker 2: Boris Johnson is in and I know this because Kerry's

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Speaker 2: got the makeup artist and this morning Kerry has got

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Speaker 2: the makeup artist to straighten the hair, iron the face,

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Speaker 2: do all the good bits that makes her look sense,

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Speaker 2: not that she doesn't look sensational in o natural art.

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Speaker 2: And I tell her this most mornings in an almost

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Speaker 2: borderline kind of way. But it's between you know, a

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Speaker 2: couple of oldies and I go, you're looking a bit

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Speaker 2: of all right this morning, carry I say, and everyone goes, ooo,

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Speaker 2: is there a no child thing? But no, We've been

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Speaker 2: around long enough not to make it an HR thing.

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Speaker 17: It's about Greg Wallace, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's got to touch with Greg Wallace about it. But

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Speaker 2: Kerry's not complaining. Kerry seems to like it. I think

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Speaker 2: Kerry is encouraging me. Actually, I think I might go

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01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: to HR anyway, where was I? So she's got a

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Speaker 2: here done.

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Speaker 17: She's trying to improve on perfection, I think, is what

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Speaker 17: you're trying.

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Speaker 2: To say to what I was trying to say, Well done,

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Speaker 2: Glen Um And Boris is coming in Asen Johnson. Boris

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Speaker 2: Johnson from ten o'clock this morning exclusively here on news

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Speaker 2: Talk said the news for you in a couple of moments.

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Speaker 2: Then we'll go to the UK and.

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Speaker 1: Rod You're trusted Home the News, Sort, Entertainments, Opinion and

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Speaker 1: Mike A Mike asking breakfast with Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life

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Speaker 1: your Way, News togs.

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Speaker 2: He'd be a little bit of this this morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Great to see the Supreme Court find the button to

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Speaker 2: turn off its auto pilot yesterday. There are, of course

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Speaker 2: casualties in the forty KC's who signed the TP bill

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Speaker 2: letter left stranded on the foreshore as they watched the

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Speaker 2: Treaty gravy train chug off into the distance. Nicely put,

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Speaker 2: but just to reiterate that what we're dealing with is

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Speaker 2: the foreshore sea bed is completely different to the Treaty

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01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 2: Principal's Bill. They're two completely different things. If you ask

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Speaker 2: somebody like the Mari Party. It's all part of the

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01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: overall approach that the government's taken to Maray in general.

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 2: But the twenty eleven law, which is what the government

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Speaker 2: are looking to re enact in the way they originally

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Speaker 2: envisaged it but have been sidetracked by this court action

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Speaker 2: culminating in the Supreme Court decision yesterday, is different to

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Speaker 2: the Treaty Principle's Bill. The Treaty Principles Bill is what

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Speaker 2: the cases were writing about twenty three to.

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Speaker 3: Nine international correspondence with ends in eye insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 3: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: In the mighty UK, Rod Little, good morning for you.

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Speaker 2: Very well. Indeed, so Key Starmagad that speech the other

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Speaker 2: day about the number of people, and it was to

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Speaker 2: do with immigration. There's net immigration, there's revised numbers and

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Speaker 2: new numbers, and you've got the legals and the illegals,

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Speaker 2: and then you've got these boat crossings. This is all

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01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 2: just a big, gargantuan mess, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: It is a mess. And he is benefiting already from

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Speaker 5: what the Conservative last Conservative government has done by making

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Speaker 5: it far more onerous for overseas students to get places

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Speaker 5: here and bring their entire families with them. That's cut

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Speaker 5: the number of people in coming by about twenty percent,

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Speaker 5: which is not insubstantial. What he's also been talking about,

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Speaker 5: what is in effectual Home Secretary as If Cooper has

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01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 5: been talking about, is tackling the gangs. By tackling the gangs,

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Speaker 5: they will reduce the number of people coming here in

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Speaker 5: small boats from Calais. While we've seen how far that's gone.

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Speaker 5: They've been in power for four and a half months

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Speaker 5: and the number has gone up by twenty thousand of

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Speaker 5: those who are coming here.

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Speaker 2: Right the link correct me if I'm wrong, But he

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Speaker 2: didn't deal with the was it Iran or Iraq?

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Speaker 5: Iran Iraq? Rather, I what is.

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Speaker 2: It that they are supposed to be doing with gangs

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Speaker 2: and illegal boat people.

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Speaker 5: Well, if the people are stupid enough to say, well,

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Speaker 5: I just came from Iraq, actually right, terribly sorry to body,

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Speaker 5: they go back to Iraq, and similarly with a number

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Speaker 5: of other countries. I mean, they're trying to strike these deals,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't work because they all know that they

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Speaker 5: that Firstly, they will say a country which is beyond

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Speaker 5: that readment. But secondly they will say, well, much as

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Speaker 5: I would love to go back to Iraq, sadly, i

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Speaker 5: am a Christian or I am a Sumi Muslim, or

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Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, And therefore they cannot

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Speaker 5: be sent back to phace persecution in their own country.

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Speaker 5: And the only way really out of that is to

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Speaker 5: sort out the European Court for Human Rights and it's

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Speaker 5: jurisdiction over who we can send back. And I don't

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Speaker 5: think bilateral treaties do very much, certainly not with the

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Speaker 5: lacks of I think Bibia has been involved as well.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're reaching out to all these countries and

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Speaker 5: I don't think it adds up to a him of beans.

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Speaker 5: In fairness, you know, this is not primarily Labour's fault

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Speaker 5: that this has been going on for ten years under

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Speaker 5: the Tories, but it has increased and I don't see

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Speaker 5: anything from vat Cooper which suggests to me that it

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Speaker 5: will improve in the future.

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Speaker 2: It's just interesting to answer the question because Australia is

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Speaker 2: looking at doing something similar and I would have thought

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Speaker 2: they'd looked at Rwanda, looked at a Rack, look at

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01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: Italy and Albania, and you know the thing ends up

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Speaker 2: in endless amounts of court. Greg Wallace, yeah is do

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Speaker 2: you know him as he is? Everyone going ah, yeah,

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01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: that's old Greg. He was going to get sprung eventually

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Speaker 2: or what are we reading.

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Speaker 5: In Yeah, well he supports the same football team as me,

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Speaker 5: so I have some kind of residual sympathy for him.

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Speaker 5: But I listened to the news today on the BBC.

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Speaker 5: In the top story, Greg Wallace apologized for a video

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Speaker 5: he'd made yesterday. The second story on the news was

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Speaker 5: the increasing likelihood of World War III. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 5: this is the BBC, you know, I'm kind of lost.

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Speaker 5: Greg Wallace is a massive name over here if you

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Speaker 5: watch programs like Master Chef. He is a grosser, working

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01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 5: class guy, a big fat ball bloke, a grosser term

1646
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 5: TV presenter who now does a lot of these cookery programs.

1647
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 5: And he has clearly said a few things which are

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 5: a bit below the soul to as he in advisory

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01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 5: put it, middle class women of a certain age, and

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01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 5: that called him into even more trouble. That was meant

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01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 5: to be his way out of the crisis. It made

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01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 5: it even worse. He no longer has a feature in television,

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01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 5: and he's one of our biggest stars, you know. He

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01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 5: he's one of those rough diamonds who came up and

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01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 5: everybody loves is now saying goodbye to because I suspect

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01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 5: it is rather hard for a very working class, not

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01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 5: necessarily brightest man in the world to get on in

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Speaker 5: the BBC.

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01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, exactly, Hey, a couple of quick things

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Speaker 2: while I've got you, just quite the Transport Minister lawries

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Speaker 2: she quit. Is that a massive blow for Starma or not.

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Speaker 5: It's a blow for starma, but not huge lose hay

1663
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 5: like about a conviction for a mobile phone fraud from

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01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 5: about ten years ago, which she insists was kind of

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01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 5: a technicality. But I'm not so sure about that, ticking

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Speaker 5: around a little bit in it. Ok it's not a

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Speaker 5: good look. So no, not great, but not life ending.

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Speaker 2: Okay. The right to die vote and I know it's

1669
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: got a long way to go yet. Yeah, but how

1670
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 2: contentious is the issue generally? Is it as contentious as

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 2: it has been in any other country around the world.

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01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 5: I'm not sure it is, I would argue. Sadly, I

1673
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 5: find myself on the losing side of this one. Clearly,

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01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 5: the public opinion in this country is kind of sixty forty,

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01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 5: maybe even sixty five thirty five in favor of allowing

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01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 5: people to top themselves whenever they get the opportunity. It

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01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 5: was supposedly a very very good debate in the House

1678
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 5: of Commons, and a lot of people spoke with great

1679
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 5: emotion and so on and so on and so on,

1680
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 5: and express themselves very well. But God has been removed

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01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 5: from the equation, you know. It was even removed by

1682
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 5: the Archbison of Canterbury, justin Welby before he resigned that

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01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 5: Justin will be opposed since the dying, but didn't even

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01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 5: mention the religious side of it. And so we are

1685
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 5: a secular country now and I think this will go

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01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 5: through pretty much unhindered.

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01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 2: Always good. I appreciate Rod Liddle and Britain three thirty

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01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: to two seventy five, so a majority of fifty five.

1689
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: But as I say, there's the lords and back and forth,

1690
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 2: and there's plenty to go. Then we come to just

1691
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 2: before we leave Britain, the funniest story. It's the Cambridge

1692
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 2: South Cambridgeshire District Council and they thought that doing the

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01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: four day week might be a good thing, like the

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01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 2: whole council does a four day week. The opposition council

1695
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 2: is palpable anger from residents about the trial and raised

1696
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: concerned staff may be taking on second jobs, no kidding,

1697
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 2: So they they've decided they could probably go back to

1698
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 2: five days a week, eight to forty five.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Power

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Speaker 2: At b by the Way from nine, Mike, I'm increasingly

1702
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: disappointed with Christoph Lucksen's performance as Prime Minister. When I

1703
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: hear them laughing about the subject of the CRL. It

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01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 2: makes me frustrated that he can treat the plan of

1705
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 2: the business as so lightly. Does he not realize that

1706
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: people have lost their livelihood? It's not a bad point

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01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 2: here he was this morning, CRL. Do you know what

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01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 2: the problem is and is it serious?

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01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 7: Not that I haven't been briefed on that at all.

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01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: Don't you want to be it's the biggest infrastructural project

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01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: in the country. Well, yeah, well I would like to

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01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 2: know that at first. I've heard about it, but it

1713
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: hasn't come to my desk. Oh my god, who's running

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 2: your office? For goodness sake, there's a massive hole in

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Speaker 2: blood underneath Auckland. Businesses have gone bust for years. On

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01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,160
Speaker 2: the end, the thing is two, if not three times

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Speaker 2: over budget. It's years behind date. The French are lying

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Speaker 2: into the country because they're Bugget what's going on? I

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01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 2: asked the Prime Minister, And you don't know.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I want to give him the benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 2: and suggest that he was laughing out of embarrassment and

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Speaker 2: also madly craning his neck around the room looking for

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Speaker 2: somebody in the office who he might want to shoot

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Speaker 2: for not.

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Speaker 17: Informing loosening his tie as he was getting hotter and hotter?

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Speaker 2: Is that what you mean? It does? It does seem

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Speaker 2: it sort of almost triggers me back to Chris Hipkins

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01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 2: vibes yesterday which I.

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Speaker 6: Didn't read much of the news over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Which triggered me back to Chris Dickins vice when he

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01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: was actually running the country, which triggered me back to

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01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: Jaindra dun Vibes, who didn't read anything either. So you

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01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: always want for better, but and I know you can't

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: be across everything, but I would argue and that it's

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01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: not like the CRL story with the French arriving in

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 2: a bunch of emergency meetings, isn't news, hasn't been news,

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01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: and indeed it was news to the point where Simeon Brown,

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Speaker 2: who does know about it, I know he knows about

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01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: it because he said he didn't want to comment on it.

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01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 2: And is it Simeon's job to go to the Prime

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Speaker 2: minister and go prime minister here's a couple of things

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01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 2: you might be want to or is it somebody in

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: Luckson's office to go prime minister? You know that guy

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01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 2: Hosking asks a whole series of random questions that nobody

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: else in the media asks. Here's our list for this morning.

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Speaker 2: Could be any of or all of the above, or

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01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 2: none of the above, but just to get you fully

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01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 2: breed so somebody somewhere is not really doing their job.

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01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 2: Ten Away from nine, the Myke hosting breakfast with the

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Speaker 2: Range rover Villa News Toward said small than medium business

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01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: is life blood of the country, of course, but anyone

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01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: in the same boat as you will agree that the

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01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: last while has been a little bit tough continues to

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01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 2: be fairly tough. So maybe you know you've held off

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01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 2: putting investment into your business or you're just focused on

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01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 2: getting through. Well, now's the time to give yourself a

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01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 2: bit of a break and indeed your business a boost

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 2: with taxi now. Taxi is the funding solution that lets

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01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 2: you use your provisional tax payments to secure funding for

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Speaker 2: your business. It's built by accountants and tax specialists. It's

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01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 2: a flexible, significantly more affordable alternative to getting a loan

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Speaker 2: from a bank. In fact, taxi funding is about half

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01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 2: the cost of your typical big bank overdraft and just

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01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 2: fire point nine percent you'll likely be saving a whack

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Speaker 2: on your business loans, there are no personal guarantees needed.

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01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 2: By the way, doesn't impact other lending arrangement. It means

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01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:44,560
Speaker 2: you can get the funding you need to make improvements

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 2: to your business in the year ahead. So maybe you'll

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01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 2: even be able to relax over the summer break knowing

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01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 2: you'll have a source of business funding available. So for

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01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: business purposes only t's and c's fees and lending criteria apply.

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Speaker 2: You pay your provisional tax via taxi before the fifteenth

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Speaker 2: of January at go to taxi dot co dot en z.

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Speaker 2: You got that, go taxi dot co dot in z.

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Speaker 2: Mosking Mike Christopher Luxen's in grave danger of losing what

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: should have been the unlosable. Getting two or more terms

1778
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 2: should have been pretty much a formality. You're peaking way

1779
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: too soon. We're sitting here in December of year one.

1780
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 2: We will make up our minds by June July in

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01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. So let's just tie ho, as Shane

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01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,679
Speaker 2: Jones would say, for a minute. I know our old

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01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 2: mate hasn't been on the program for a while, but

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01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: we must get him back for he goes Michael Rowland,

1785
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 2: who's the host of the ABC television Breakfast show announced

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01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 2: his I don't think it's his retirement. I think he's

1787
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 2: quitting and he may well end up doing something else.

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01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 2: But he's been on the television breakfast show at the

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01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,599
Speaker 2: ABC for about fifteen years, but under fifteen years, and

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01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 2: he says, after fifteen years of three am starts, and

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01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 2: that's his problem. He's getting up too late. You got

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01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 2: to get you gotta get up. You got to get

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01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,799
Speaker 2: up at a proper time when you're doing a breakfast

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01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 2: sho you're not getting up at three o'clock. You're running late.

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01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: See all those clowns downstairs in the music stations, that's

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01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: their problem. That's Michael's problems. He wasn't tired enough. You

1797
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: need to be haggard. You need to be really buggered.

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01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 2: You need to be so bloody exhausted. You can't wait

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01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: for Christmas.

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Speaker 17: But you're not quite sure what's coming out of your

1801
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 17: mouth said any given second, like sometimes you progress doesn't

1802
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 17: mean just words, sometimes sometimes fluids, sometimes sometimes weird solid

1803
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 17: things that you don't go.

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01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: Does he prep for any of this? Is no nothing?

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01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: Five minutes away from.

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 12: Nine Trending Now the home of Big Brand.

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01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: Right Best, the twenty four Enemy and Pitchfork. Are they

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01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: both online music magazines? Everything's online these days? So best

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01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,719
Speaker 2: song of twenty twenty four enemy is named shappel Ryan,

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01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 2: who I'm told is a pain in the ars? Is

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01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 2: that true? Yep? So pain in the ass. Good luck, babe.

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Speaker 2: That's the best. There's the best song of all the

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01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 2: songs that were. Maybe it was none vigodiness unbelievable, wasn't it.

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01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 2: But Pitchfork named this one. This one.

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Speaker 1: Hey hey, hey, hey, run for your lad Hey hey, hey,

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01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: hey Ruby, let me say.

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01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: He's dissing Drake, not like us. Hey hey, hey, don't

1819
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 2: for your la Hey hey hey, rain for your life.

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01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 2: There was a time, and it wasn't that far ago

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Speaker 2: that if I had done that and said, you think

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01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 2: there's a song on this that, don't be stupid, Michael.

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01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 2: You're too tired, you're getting up too early in the morning.

1824
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 2: But no Rolling Stone of name the number one album

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01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 2: of the year. Listen to this.

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Speaker 14: Okay, here's the plan I want to pray to.

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Speaker 2: We didn't preached this after eight o'clock any morning, did we?

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01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: Or did we?

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01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 16: I think we did?

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01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: Okay, we didn't. You see, we're in all early adapters on.

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01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 17: This prem Yeah, we didn't do Kendrick. No, I don't

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01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 17: think we did Jeff Arone, and I'm pretty sure we did.

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01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 2: We did this. Actually we did it because I said,

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01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 2: was that Charlie x XIX. It's too in the XS.

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Speaker 17: You sound really cool when.

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01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 2: You said that I did my little boomerack. Anyway, you

1838
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: know that that's made up. I'm really hips at the moment,

1839
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 2: and so I know all the stuff I just pretend.

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01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: I don't you know how that goes. Anyway, That's the

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Speaker 2: album of the year, and this is the show of

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01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 2: the year. And the good news is there's another one

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01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 2: as of tomorrow morning at six Happy Days.

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Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:34,599
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