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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Zealanders And welcome to Mattain

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show, Podcast number two one, three fourth Thursday,

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Speaker 2: the second of October twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: There was a show.

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Speaker 2: I always remember in these intros that we do after

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Speaker 2: the show to say the topic we don't talk about.

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Speaker 2: We don't get to the topic of cockups.

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Speaker 3: Around the fire trucks that were put together in the

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Speaker 3: UK and then they don't work with the stuff we've

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Speaker 3: got back here and it's a bit of a cockup

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Speaker 3: that the fire department are dealing with at the moment.

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Speaker 3: We don't get to that subject.

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Speaker 4: We don't get to that once. We might get to it.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow because the story is about tramadole and prescription drug

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Speaker 2: addiction and the benefits and the risks and such of

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Speaker 2: dealing with your pain. That chat which just went so well,

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Speaker 2: so many incredible stories that that blow out to a

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Speaker 2: good two hour chat that one.

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Speaker 4: Holy moly, what a drug that is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and surely a record number of calls and

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Speaker 2: text on the show today. It was just absolutely going

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Speaker 2: off good Times, loved it.

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Speaker 3: love you the big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 4: Talk said, be very good afternoon to you. Welcome into

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Speaker 4: the show. I hope you're having a great Thursday with

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Speaker 4: ever you're listening day Matt.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this textas says Tyler, I think the universe is

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Speaker 2: telling you to come back to christ Church. Everything seems

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Speaker 2: harder in Auckland. Cheers Maureen. Now that's a question for you, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: You've been living up here for a wee while. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what city do you prefer?

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Speaker 3: Orknd or christ Church? Put it on the line right now.

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Speaker 4: That you're throwing me right under the bus. There, I'm

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Speaker 4: going to be. I'm going to be a fencer tore here.

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Speaker 4: I love them both. I love them both for different reasons.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I do miss up here, though

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Speaker 4: I've said it before and I know they've got volcano,

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Speaker 4: but I do miss the mountains. You've got beautiful beaches

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Speaker 2: I just ran up a mountain today, Mount Eden, on

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Speaker 2: my morning run. Hey, Tyler on the show, We've long

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Speaker 2: been calling for more people to be tasered, just you know,

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Speaker 2: I believe back in the day it was better to

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Speaker 2: get one whack with the cane then set through a detention.

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Speaker 2: So I've long been talking about people that just need

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Speaker 2: a quick tasering and then sent on their way for

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Speaker 2: stupid things that they do.

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Speaker 3: In the community.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you've long been pushed that non lethal,

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Speaker 2: non lethal, don't clog up the courts, don't find people unduly,

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Speaker 2: just just administer a tasering and send them on their way.

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Speaker 4: Take your app in and do better.

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Speaker 3: So I was very.

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Speaker 2: Happy when I was listening to the Hosking Breakfast this

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Speaker 2: morning to see that he is getting on board with

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Speaker 2: this agenda.

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Speaker 5: Traffic is goodlocked there's a five killing meter tailback because

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Speaker 5: a digger fell off a truck. Now, what do we

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Speaker 5: need to do about that? Is it just me being

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Speaker 5: old and grumpy, But there's too much of this goes on.

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Speaker 5: There's only one reason a digger falls off the back

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Speaker 5: digger on the truck in the first place properly. So

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Speaker 5: that's going to be ours of delays and productivity is

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Speaker 5: to miss meetings, and it's going to be tears in

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Speaker 5: the back seat for the kids and all that sort

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Speaker 5: of stuff. But at the end of the day, all

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Speaker 5: it will happen is that will be nine thousand road cones,

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Speaker 5: some description. What we need what do we need to do?

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Speaker 5: Do we need to taste them?

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Speaker 6: We do?

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Speaker 4: We need to taste them straight to the taser. That

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Speaker 4: that's done something absolutely stupid and you go, god, idiot,

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Speaker 4: You taser them, and then they feel better about themselves

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Speaker 4: because they've perceived a punishment, and then everyone just goes

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Speaker 4: Job job done. So Mike Hoskin's on board. Next step

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Speaker 4: Mark Mitchell will be thinking about it, so then job,

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Speaker 3: It's just going to discretionary tasering around idiotic things that

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Speaker 4: I think I Mike can bring that up with Mark

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see any problems at all, any fishucks

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Speaker 4: Is it, Tyler. No, what we are talking about today,

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a dooozy of a show after

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Speaker 4: three o'clock. We were talking about firewood a couple of

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Speaker 4: It wasn't what it used to be when I was

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Speaker 4: chat about buying firewood. Have you still got an open fireplace?

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Speaker 4: How common are they?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of texts coming through on us, so there

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Speaker 2: people were so excited about firewood, we decided to talk

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that'll be after three. Look at that.

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Speaker 2: Just a bunch of tecks came through on fireward just then.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not going to read that. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: We're going to save that for three o'clock. That's going

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Speaker 4: no doubt about it. New Zealand's newest fire trucks meant

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Speaker 4: millions of bucks spent twenty eight of these medium sized trucks.

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Speaker 4: They were built in Britain. They've arrived here, but the

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine that when you realize that mistake you've made.

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Speaker 2: So you've got these flash trucks and you were so.

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Speaker 3: Excited to get them out, and then you realize that

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, what would you do? I mean, generally, if

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Speaker 4: I mean, just imagine that feeling millions and millions of

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Speaker 4: because I say, we can't use them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think if you, if you dig down

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Speaker 2: either way, you know that that's not great. So we

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Speaker 2: want to talk about cockups. I heard some people bring

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Speaker 2: not just governmental ones, and there's a lot of those

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Speaker 2: gotta be careful. I nearly said that differently. Maybe I did.

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Speaker 2: I'll find out in a minute. But anyway, there's a

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Speaker 2: I think we've got to accept that everyone.

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Speaker 3: Is capable of one. Right, Yeah, everyone is capable.

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Speaker 2: And ulshear a couple that I've some absolute shocking, large

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Speaker 2: when you work it out, it's just the humiliation, the desperation,

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Speaker 2: the despair, it all covers you.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to those stories, that is after two o'clock.

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Speaker 4: But right now let's have a chat about tramadol. There's

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Speaker 4: been a sharp rise in prescriptions of the drug, more

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Speaker 4: the drug last year. So tramadol, it's often prescribed before

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Speaker 4: us know, can become incredibly addictive when used over long periods.

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Speaker 4: Recent workplace drug testing shows tramadol was now making up

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Speaker 4: over three percent of opioid detections. Yeah, so tramadol is

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Speaker 4: I've got personal experience with it. I was on it

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Speaker 4: But I won't go too far into the details there.

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Speaker 2: And I was on tramidol for a long time and

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Speaker 2: So I think people need to realize when they take

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it feels bloody good at the time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I had a fantastic year on it, but

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Speaker 4: It's a long time a year, yeah, because I think

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Speaker 2: Well, my operations kept going to getting moved and the

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Speaker 4: So can you hear your stories tramadol? Are we a

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Speaker 4: Have you had some experience worth having tramadol and becoming

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Speaker 4: somewhat addicted? Love to hear your stories. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 4: It's fourteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be afternoons you were talking about tramadol. There's been

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Speaker 4: a big increase in the number of kiwi's being prescribed

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Speaker 4: a two hundred and seventy thousand last year. So have

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Speaker 4: or addiction to that particular drug.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear from you, Greg says, doctors will prescribe

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Speaker 2: you tramadol as they see fit. I was prescribed it

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Speaker 2: after knee replacement surgery, even though I said I didn't

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Speaker 2: want it, even when collecting my prescription, that pharmacy wouldn't

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Speaker 2: take it back when I told them I would, I

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Speaker 3: So it's still sitting in the cupboard. What a waste

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Speaker 3: of money, do you know what? Such?

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Speaker 2: Even though I haven't had tramadol ever since I got

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Speaker 2: off it because I became addicted to it. Yeah, him

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Speaker 2: just saying that he had someone on the shelf there

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's addiction for you. Never quite leaves you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a flicker. Greg, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: It's a really weird type of sleep, Greg on tramadola,

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Speaker 8: I just unfortunately for me, they weren't. I wish they

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Speaker 8: then he prescribed me some th HC. After that. But

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Speaker 8: and too they don't really know what they're giving you,

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Speaker 8: you know. But I've been trying a lot of things

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Speaker 8: I take I'd never take tremandole again.

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Speaker 4: What what what is? What has worked best for you?

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Speaker 8: A combination of I take some norflex and something else.

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Speaker 8: I forget what it's called something or rather, and then

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I am I saying that right?

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Speaker 8: Anyway, they're most of their painkillers and their norfox a

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Speaker 10: So I take a bit of that, and I take

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Speaker 10: alcohol as well, which is probably all a combination really

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Speaker 10: bad for you. But I like waking up every morning.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I'm I'm going to go and see a I'm going

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Speaker 10: specialist about it. But it's a generative disease as you

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Speaker 8: Do well put up the pain and not worry about it.

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Speaker 4: It's tough, all the all the best, Greg. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: it sounds like the gummies are doing something which is

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Speaker 2: This is an interesting text. And this is what I've

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Speaker 2: into one of three camps. When they take tramadole for

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Speaker 2: It makes them spin out. I've seen that, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty love

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Speaker 4: to hear from you. Have you faced some difficulties if

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Speaker 2: Well by the number of calls coming through in text,

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Speaker 2: Tramadole is a big thing in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Yep, hard talk, bold takes big stories. It's the make Hosking.

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Speaker 5: Breakfast, just bushop is Housing Ministry, the Dickson Street apartments.

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Speaker 5: Explain to me how a state owned agency sells something

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Speaker 5: first preference deal then flick it for three How does

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Speaker 5: that work? Well, the land's got a writer first refusal

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Speaker 5: on it, which means they got to offer it to

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Speaker 5: the locally weed. But the market paid three million dollars

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Speaker 5: you can make a couple of million dollars on by Wednesday?

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Speaker 5: Is that part of the treaty negotiation settlement processes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they've got access to a whole lot of land

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Speaker 5: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Husking Breakfast with

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Speaker 5: Vida News Talk ZB twenty four past one.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about tramidol. There's been a big rise in

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Speaker 4: on tramadol, how did you find it? Did you get addicted?

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Speaker 4: Love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: Our last call was talking about gummies and this Texas

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Speaker 2: Kate says, Hi, what are gummies? Because I've been told

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Speaker 2: it may be very helpful for me. Yeah, we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the medical cannabis gummies. Yes, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're going pretty gangbusters, I think for a lot

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Speaker 4: of people. Kathy, how are you, Hi, I'm great.

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Speaker 12: How are you Guys?

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Speaker 4: Going very good? So you were prescribed tramadol after some surgery.

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Speaker 13: I was going to.

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Speaker 12: I could do was, you know, anything I took down.

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Speaker 14: I was just vomiting.

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Speaker 12: Came about that I had a reaction to the trim

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Speaker 12: It was really really bad. And the problem with our

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Speaker 12: and yeah, so yeah, I beckon hospital and you know,

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Speaker 12: getting cleaned out. Never will take it again.

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Speaker 2: Right, And did you? Was this something else? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's definitely not the drug for you, Kathy.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything else that you can take that works

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Speaker 3: for paying for you? Kathy?

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Speaker 15: Well, I was.

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Speaker 12: I ended up being on codine instead. It's not quite

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Speaker 12: as good powerful, No, No, it's not. It's not. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 12: I think my organs are a little bit more important

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Speaker 12: than dealing with a bit.

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Speaker 4: Of pain you need. That's for sure.

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Speaker 2: That there's a saying someone can tell me on nineteen

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Speaker 2: nine two when the medicine becomes the poison.

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Speaker 3: There's the same anyway, that was the case for you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for you call, Katy. Where are you?

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Speaker 2: And you and you and we're in the country at

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Speaker 2: the moment, so I can hear you when screen wipers going.

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Speaker 12: Yeah it's raining. I'm andre just north of Wellington.

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Speaker 3: All right, well it's it's way. It's raining in Auckland

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Speaker 4: Yeah, solidity somewhat.

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Speaker 15: Well.

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Speaker 4: I had to.

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Speaker 12: I had to come out and get picture because it

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Speaker 3: So you know, good tonight's very good to thank you

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Speaker 3: for calling and all the best.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was just talking about my tramadol addiction that I

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Speaker 2: I've got some tramadol here, Matt, will you take it

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Speaker 2: on ear if I send it over to the studio. Now,

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Speaker 4: Enablers. We're just a country of a naboleers.

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Speaker 3: Massive amount of enablers.

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Speaker 2: And then I'd be out walking around and people would

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Speaker 4: So Rob, No, he's well stopped.

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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 4: to call. We got headlines with ray Lean coming up,

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Speaker 4: but plenty of more calls to come.

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Speaker 3: Gabriel, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 16: Hi, Hey, how you going very good?

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Speaker 17: Pretty good?

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Speaker 18: And I was described tramadol out for giving birth, and

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Speaker 18: it's quite an interesting one. It stays on the back

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Speaker 16: So, yeah, like lots of coolers.

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Speaker 18: Its sitting in the cubin at home.

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Speaker 3: So you didn't even take one.

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Speaker 16: Of them, no, nine of them.

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Speaker 3: Could you send those into the studio? No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Don't enable them, to enable them. But it is funny,

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Speaker 4: isn't it. Gabriel? And I'm not knocking gps or doctors here,

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Speaker 4: I just don't know if many people do. I certainly

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Speaker 4: You've got to research it yourself.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, And I just you.

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Speaker 18: Know, I hadn't the pediotomy, which is is it delightful

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Speaker 18: for anyone who's said one, they'll know and it's you know,

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Speaker 18: potentially at times the pain was at that level.

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Speaker 16: But says don't take it.

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Speaker 18: While breastfeeding so or put newborn.

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Speaker 16: Baby in danger.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a bad prescription. There, hasn't it. If

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Speaker 2: it's if it says that on there, it's a bad prescription.

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Speaker 2: So good on you for reading for any the label.

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Speaker 4: It's the one good thing I did.

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Speaker 18: In the post poster Bert hate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because baby brain could could lead you to not

442
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Speaker 2: be looking there, couldn't it.

443
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Speaker 19: Yeah?

444
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Speaker 4: Is that still is that still considered a real thing

445
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Speaker 4: baby brain?

446
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Speaker 3: Or is that a.

447
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Speaker 18: One hundred percent baby brain? Like it is a real life,

448
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Speaker 18: real life problem.

449
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Speaker 4: So what does it you feel like? For me as

450
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Speaker 4: a fellow trying to my head around it? Does it

451
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Speaker 4: almost like a twenty four hour hangover or something? You

452
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Speaker 4: just feel like a fog over you?

453
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Speaker 18: Yeah, you think you know what's going on, and all

454
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Speaker 18: of a sudden, it's three days later and something hasn't

455
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Speaker 18: happened that needed to, and you're.

456
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Speaker 16: Like, how do I miss that?

457
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Speaker 4: Right?

458
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Speaker 18: Yeah, you're just trying to keep this little thing alive

459
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Speaker 18: and it kind of just takes over everything else.

460
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because what I've read about it is that it's

461
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Speaker 3: we're evolved so to absolutely focus just on that baby

462
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Speaker 3: in the first in the first wee while. So thats

463
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Speaker 3: why it seems like this.

464
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Speaker 2: Baby brain is because you know, you're deploying all your

465
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Speaker 2: resources just on this helpless newborn baby.

466
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Speaker 18: Think as well, like these days we're expected to just

467
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Speaker 18: continue to function like we did. Yeah, Yeah, and we

468
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Speaker 18: expect ourselves too.

469
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Speaker 16: But your body is just like nope, no it doesn't.

470
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Speaker 3: Just the baby, yeap, No admin, just the baby. Hey,

471
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 4: No way, thanks great to chat. One hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: in eighty is the number to call. So has tramid

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Speaker 4: old dependence impected you or the life of someone? Are

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Speaker 4: you you care about? Love to hear from you? It

476
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Speaker 4: is bang on one point thirty. Here lies with railing coming.

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Speaker 20: Up, youth talks at the headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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Speaker 4: It's no trouble with a Blue bubble.

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Speaker 20: Our Foreign Affairs Ministry says it's communicated and expectation to

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Speaker 20: Israel that New Zealanders will be treated in a manner

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Speaker 20: ties with the party. Toi Tuo led the nationwide Hikoi

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Speaker 20: home in Auckland's Bucklands Beach that went up in flames

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Speaker 20: last night. Three people are injured and two unaccounted for.

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Speaker 20: A Canterbury PhD student has developed a database showing how

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Speaker 20: earthquakes can shift rivers and cause serious flooding. Far Mac's

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Speaker 20: proposing improving access to HIV medicines, removing special authority and

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Speaker 20: hospital indication criteria, as well as allowing three monthly supplies.

494
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495
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Speaker 20: his new multimillion dollar New Zealand to retreat with no TVs.

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Speaker 20: You can see the story at enzid Herald Premium. Back

497
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Speaker 20: to matt Ethan Tyler Adam.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we're talking about tramadad.

499
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Speaker 4: There's been a big increase in New Zealander's prescribed the

500
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Speaker 4: drug after or prior to surgery two hundred and seventy

501
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Speaker 4: thousand last year. But as many people know who have

502
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Speaker 4: been on tramadol, it can be highly addictive. So I'd

503
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Speaker 4: love to hear from you how it went, if you

504
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Speaker 4: will prescribe that medicine or this.

505
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Speaker 2: Texas is how Hey, I've been on travedol for years.

506
00:23:03,933 --> 00:23:06,693
Speaker 2: One hundred MiG slow release morning and night and fifty

507
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Speaker 2: gram's fast release of knee during the day. Started for

508
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Speaker 2: my back, but now includes an arm. I don't have

509
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Speaker 2: a problem with it. That's interesting. So, yeah, someone was saying,

510
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Speaker 2: before you know, how.

511
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Speaker 3: Did I know I was addicted?

512
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Speaker 2: Well, I knew was addicted when I tried to lower

513
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Speaker 2: my because I was just increasing increasing my dosage.

514
00:23:23,653 --> 00:23:26,293
Speaker 3: I tried to lower it, and then I.

515
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Speaker 2: Just started getting incredibly strangely anxious. I could feel the

516
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Speaker 2: nose here is, the fingers growing, the nails growing, and

517
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Speaker 2: my fingers, my teeth. I think it was because I

518
00:23:37,653 --> 00:23:40,813
Speaker 2: hadn't felt anything at all for so long that my

519
00:23:40,893 --> 00:23:43,693
Speaker 2: ability to deal with anything had gone. So every part

520
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Speaker 2: of me felt really awkward and uncomfortable and slightly painful,

521
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Speaker 2: just even my teeth in my guns. And the six said,

522
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Speaker 2: how did Matt keep the trama dog? Can he explain that?

523
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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 2: What I did is I locked myself in my room

525
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Speaker 2: and the family stayed out of there for a while,

526
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Speaker 2: and I left the last ten I had in a

527
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Speaker 2: pottle in front of the TV, and I just dead

528
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Speaker 2: at them because because I talked to my dad, and

529
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Speaker 2: he said, you don't.

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Speaker 3: Want to try and kick when you've got none left? Yeah, yeah,

531
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Speaker 3: so that the keys to kick when you could have

532
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Speaker 3: some more. So I just stared at it and just

533
00:24:17,973 --> 00:24:20,293
Speaker 3: use all my WheelPower not to not to take it.

534
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Speaker 3: And I was sick and sweating and full cold turkey

535
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Speaker 3: and writhing around and my bed and full of self

536
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Speaker 3: hatred and fear for the world, an impending sense of doom,

537
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Speaker 3: and every part of my body was annoying and ached,

538
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Speaker 3: and my ribs didn't feel like they fat, and my

539
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Speaker 3: chest fitted in my chest not fat. I've used the

540
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Speaker 3: wrong past edge but didn't and didn't fit in my chest.

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Speaker 3: And it was just just horrible. And it took about

542
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Speaker 3: It took an entire long weekend. I think it was

543
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Speaker 3: a labor weekend before I could sort of come back

544
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Speaker 3: out and then and then haven't had any sense.

545
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Speaker 4: There is surrender us. That's like a Trainspotting experience, that

546
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Speaker 4: is a full noise, lock yourself in a room and

547
00:25:00,533 --> 00:25:01,493
Speaker 4: just go cold turkey.

548
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, Sarah, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 18: Hi.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Now you you're continuing to use tramado, was that right?

551
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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: I've been on it for ten years for chronic pain. Yeah,

553
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Speaker 21: I was originally on coding and I went to a

554
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Speaker 21: new doctor and she's a she's not a very medication

555
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Speaker 21: heavy give out stuff. I took our doctor and she

556
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Speaker 21: said Nott coding is more addictive than.

557
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Speaker 22: And then tremados.

558
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Speaker 21: They put me on Tramado when I'm on too slow

559
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Speaker 21: relieve our slow releases one morning, one night and they

560
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Speaker 21: give me They've given me the other fifty milligram one

561
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Speaker 21: for pain if I get it during the day, if

562
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Speaker 21: I needed that. And I've had no issues, so.

563
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Speaker 15: I get blood.

564
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Speaker 21: I get blood, full blood, blood and on everything every

565
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Speaker 21: three months and everything is perfect or my organs are

566
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Speaker 21: perfect whatsoever.

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Speaker 16: And a lot of people I.

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Speaker 21: Talked to her about it, Oh my gosh, I tramadol.

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Speaker 21: It's so bad, Like yeah, so you do you.

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Speaker 2: Think some people people have a different reaction to it,

571
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Speaker 2: because it seems to me someone was texting through before

572
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Speaker 2: that there's three different reactions to it.

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Speaker 23: You know.

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Speaker 2: Some of them just makes them sick, but some of

575
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Speaker 2: the people like would seem like me, It just was

576
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Speaker 2: so full on and made me feel so good. It

577
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Speaker 2: was it was kind of like when I had a

578
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Speaker 2: fentanyl the other day. After a procedure, and I just

579
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Speaker 2: felt so excited about how good I felt that I

580
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Speaker 2: could see myself jumping on it.

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Speaker 21: I think, so like, I don't I don't get that,

582
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Speaker 21: Like I don't know whether they call it a high

583
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Speaker 21: or whatever. I don't get that. Maybe my body's so

584
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Speaker 21: used to it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

586
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Speaker 21: Yeah, And I was always really concerned about I hate

587
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Speaker 21: that word addiction, with the dependence on it.

588
00:26:44,653 --> 00:26:44,853
Speaker 12: Yeah.

589
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Speaker 21: And my doctor said to me, as long as I

590
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Speaker 21: don't see you needing more and more high dosage or

591
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Speaker 21: more more more pearls, she said, then I'm fine. And

592
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Speaker 21: I've never I think in ten years, I haven't changed

593
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Speaker 21: my you know, dosage or need it more whatsoever.

594
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Speaker 22: So she's happy.

595
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Speaker 21: I mean one side, I did want to come off it,

596
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Speaker 21: and they gave me some some drugged to try and

597
00:27:08,933 --> 00:27:12,413
Speaker 21: get off it, and the drug was horrendous, And she said,

598
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Speaker 21: it's not worth the pain that you're into to try

599
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Speaker 21: and take your.

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Speaker 2: Offer when you offer, right, Yeah, Because I guess the

601
00:27:18,973 --> 00:27:21,653
Speaker 2: difference is between you and I, as I just tried

602
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Speaker 2: to take.

603
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Speaker 4: More and more and more and more and more and more, whereas.

604
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Speaker 3: You were just quite happy with them out.

605
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Speaker 2: But I guess the slow relief because there is as

606
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Speaker 2: you say, so the slow release you take in the

607
00:27:31,013 --> 00:27:33,213
Speaker 2: morning and it just sort of gives you a blanket

608
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Speaker 2: coverage rights.

609
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Speaker 21: So you've got to take but you want to take

610
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Speaker 21: it like I take mine at it's six in the morning,

611
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Speaker 21: and then I take mother when at six at night.

612
00:27:41,773 --> 00:27:43,973
Speaker 21: So you've got to try because if I feel like

613
00:27:43,973 --> 00:27:45,773
Speaker 21: I've forgotten or I've gone out and I go, oh

614
00:27:45,813 --> 00:27:47,813
Speaker 21: my gosh, I forgotten to take one with me.

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Speaker 20: Then I can.

616
00:27:48,773 --> 00:27:51,493
Speaker 21: The pain slowly comes back, So I guess it just

617
00:27:51,613 --> 00:27:54,413
Speaker 21: real releases through your body over a twelve hour period

618
00:27:54,493 --> 00:27:57,093
Speaker 21: and just keeps the pain at space. It's like when

619
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Speaker 21: you've got a fever and they say you should take

620
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Speaker 21: panadole every four hours to keep your temperature at bay

621
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Speaker 21: and not let it spike.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, now, Sarah, if you don't mind saying,

623
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Speaker 2: what was the cause of the pain?

624
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Speaker 21: I've got just like chronic lea pain, and I've had

625
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Speaker 21: every piece under the sun, every oh gosh everything. They

626
00:28:17,653 --> 00:28:19,693
Speaker 21: just don't know what it is and they just put

627
00:28:19,733 --> 00:28:22,093
Speaker 21: the fortunately put it down to chronic pain, which is

628
00:28:22,413 --> 00:28:22,773
Speaker 21: a bit.

629
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Speaker 4: Of a bit nothing after it's to a diagnosis.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, all the best with that, Sarah, and there

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Speaker 2: we go. Thank you for calling. That's a positive tramadol story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, working very well for Sarah. I had no idea

633
00:28:34,573 --> 00:28:36,413
Speaker 4: you could get the slower at least tramadol, but it

634
00:28:36,453 --> 00:28:39,013
Speaker 4: makes sense. Yeah, And as someone like Sarah sees, she

635
00:28:39,133 --> 00:28:41,213
Speaker 4: stays on the same dosage and she's been doing that

636
00:28:41,293 --> 00:28:42,933
Speaker 4: for ten years and it's helping her live your life.

637
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Speaker 2: Well, the positive side of my tramadol addiction was that

638
00:28:46,213 --> 00:28:48,213
Speaker 2: I was apparently the most peaceful person you've ever met.

639
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't remember a couple of years of

640
00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:53,573
Speaker 2: my youngest son's life when it was on it, but

641
00:28:53,653 --> 00:28:55,293
Speaker 2: apparently I was really good at putting him to bed

642
00:28:55,333 --> 00:28:58,813
Speaker 2: because I was so calm and yeah, and I was

643
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Speaker 2: very happy throughout that time.

644
00:29:00,013 --> 00:29:01,693
Speaker 4: Yeah, the perfect father. You just can't remember it.

645
00:29:01,773 --> 00:29:05,973
Speaker 2: I'm just miserable and constantly increasing my dosage and miserable

646
00:29:06,013 --> 00:29:06,773
Speaker 2: whenever I lowered it.

647
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Speaker 4: It all nineteen two two. Back in a month.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 6: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk.

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Speaker 4: Said be sixteen to two and we are talking about tramadol.

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Speaker 4: There has been an increase and that drug prescribed to

652
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Speaker 4: New Zealanders. But plenty of people it seems like I've

653
00:29:26,693 --> 00:29:28,493
Speaker 4: had a hard time when they've been prescribed that drug.

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00:29:28,613 --> 00:29:31,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, the EO lots of different sponsors. Some people that's

655
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Speaker 2: worked great for them, some people it's done nothing at all,

656
00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:37,413
Speaker 2: and some people like market's been an absolute nightmare. Hi, guys,

657
00:29:37,533 --> 00:29:40,013
Speaker 2: was on tremmings for over three years. That had destroyed

658
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Speaker 2: my life. Total personality changed for days, four days of withdrawal, shakes, sweats,

659
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Speaker 2: et cetera. When I stopped after surgery, lost my marriage,

660
00:29:47,733 --> 00:29:50,653
Speaker 2: my job, and my house. Won't even take panadole anymore.

661
00:29:50,733 --> 00:29:51,493
Speaker 3: Wow from Mark.

662
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Speaker 4: Sorry to hear that. Mark. That is at the extreme end.

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Speaker 3: Craig, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 9: There's a protocol that the doctors have to go through.

665
00:30:00,573 --> 00:30:03,613
Speaker 9: I had an injury a few years back and they

666
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Speaker 9: started me off on panidole and coding and that wasn't

667
00:30:07,893 --> 00:30:11,013
Speaker 9: helping the pain. Then they stepped it up to the

668
00:30:11,093 --> 00:30:15,013
Speaker 9: tramadole slow release. Then they stepped it up to slow

669
00:30:15,093 --> 00:30:19,053
Speaker 9: release and quick release. By the time this went on

670
00:30:19,173 --> 00:30:21,853
Speaker 9: for about a year, and for the last three months

671
00:30:21,893 --> 00:30:25,613
Speaker 9: before with surgery, I had an absolute pharmacy of painkillers

672
00:30:25,653 --> 00:30:30,333
Speaker 9: next to my bedside from I had Gabba, Penton's, pregabalin,

673
00:30:30,573 --> 00:30:35,453
Speaker 9: liquid morphine, oxy codines, and.

674
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Speaker 3: Even wow.

675
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I had everything and an absolute agony twenty four

676
00:30:44,173 --> 00:30:48,133
Speaker 9: to seven, and I was would say to my doctor

677
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:49,893
Speaker 9: that they were just about to sem me off to

678
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Speaker 9: the pain clinic because the doctors can only go so far.

679
00:30:53,413 --> 00:30:56,173
Speaker 9: Then I think, if I remember, there's about four steps

680
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Speaker 9: that they can take you along and then you've got

681
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Speaker 9: to go to the pain clinic. But my surgery came

682
00:31:03,853 --> 00:31:05,413
Speaker 9: in and I was really scared I was going to

683
00:31:05,453 --> 00:31:07,813
Speaker 9: be hooked because like you, Matt, I had the cob

684
00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:11,573
Speaker 9: webs or over my face twenty four seven, your fingernails,

685
00:31:11,733 --> 00:31:17,813
Speaker 9: everything was just you knew that you were taking heroin basically,

686
00:31:17,933 --> 00:31:22,173
Speaker 9: you know, And I wake up from my surgery, I

687
00:31:22,373 --> 00:31:26,693
Speaker 9: was pain free and didn't need them.

688
00:31:27,293 --> 00:31:27,973
Speaker 3: You just didn't need them.

689
00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:32,573
Speaker 9: Wow was that never had anything? And other say I

690
00:31:32,813 --> 00:31:35,213
Speaker 9: was swallowing a handful of pills at two o'clock in

691
00:31:35,253 --> 00:31:39,173
Speaker 9: the morning because you know, there's only so much talor

692
00:31:39,253 --> 00:31:42,453
Speaker 9: you could watch and I would I would overdose and

693
00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:44,733
Speaker 9: I'd knock them back with the mouthful of the morphine.

694
00:31:45,733 --> 00:31:47,853
Speaker 9: I was in a really bad way. But after my

695
00:31:47,973 --> 00:31:51,493
Speaker 9: surgery and I was pain free, never needed.

696
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Speaker 3: Them, So that's so that's so interesting.

697
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Speaker 2: So the surgery happened, so the pain that was causing

698
00:31:56,453 --> 00:31:59,773
Speaker 2: you to need to take these painkillers had gone, but

699
00:31:59,973 --> 00:32:04,133
Speaker 2: you didn't experience any addiction, not not one.

700
00:32:04,253 --> 00:32:07,093
Speaker 9: And when I was speaking to my doctor, he said,

701
00:32:07,653 --> 00:32:12,413
Speaker 9: you needed them, right. And I think there's a lot

702
00:32:12,533 --> 00:32:17,173
Speaker 9: of people out there that I think, what not everybody.

703
00:32:17,213 --> 00:32:19,373
Speaker 9: There's a lot of genuine cases, but I think there's

704
00:32:19,413 --> 00:32:22,893
Speaker 9: a lot of people that use pain as an excuse

705
00:32:23,093 --> 00:32:25,413
Speaker 9: to get to keep drugs. Well.

706
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Speaker 2: I think I think it's really hard for doctors to

707
00:32:27,893 --> 00:32:32,293
Speaker 2: deny someone if they're saying they're in pain. Absolutely that's

708
00:32:32,293 --> 00:32:33,853
Speaker 2: the problem because so someone comes and says, I've got

709
00:32:33,933 --> 00:32:37,333
Speaker 2: terrible back pain on this pain and the doctors, you know,

710
00:32:37,453 --> 00:32:39,773
Speaker 2: do they deny that you've got pain. So it's very

711
00:32:39,813 --> 00:32:41,213
Speaker 2: easy to gain the system, isn't it.

712
00:32:41,453 --> 00:32:41,653
Speaker 4: Yeah?

713
00:32:41,973 --> 00:32:44,493
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean my injury was similar to yours, Matt,

714
00:32:44,893 --> 00:32:49,893
Speaker 9: you know, pro lapsed and broken disks and the nerves.

715
00:32:49,973 --> 00:32:51,693
Speaker 9: You know. I had to have a stick in the

716
00:32:51,813 --> 00:32:54,253
Speaker 9: bed because the blankets couldn't touch me from the waist down.

717
00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:58,933
Speaker 9: But it was an agony with the nerve and it's brutal,

718
00:33:00,173 --> 00:33:03,733
Speaker 9: but you could you do whatever you could to have

719
00:33:03,973 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 9: forty minutes of nothing. I'm talking about, man, And that's

720
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:09,893
Speaker 9: the danger. But when you wake up from surgery and

721
00:33:09,973 --> 00:33:12,413
Speaker 9: your pain free, Man, what a feeling.

722
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Speaker 4: Matters, Craig.

723
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Speaker 2: I woke up from surgery and when they find the

724
00:33:16,373 --> 00:33:18,293
Speaker 2: surgery was finally done and I was fixed and the

725
00:33:18,453 --> 00:33:21,773
Speaker 2: pain should have been gone. Although I stupidly decided to

726
00:33:21,853 --> 00:33:23,613
Speaker 2: test out my new spine by going for a walk,

727
00:33:23,653 --> 00:33:25,613
Speaker 2: and let's not talk about the stupid thing. I got

728
00:33:25,613 --> 00:33:29,493
Speaker 2: really yelled at by the nurse, but I so then

729
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:31,213
Speaker 2: I didn't have the pain, but I still had the

730
00:33:31,293 --> 00:33:32,773
Speaker 2: lust for the tramadols.

731
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Speaker 3: So I was a different had a different experience than you, Craig.

732
00:33:36,933 --> 00:33:39,493
Speaker 3: But hey, thanks so much for sharing. So many people

733
00:33:39,533 --> 00:33:42,653
Speaker 3: are texting through and saying, don't mix your tremmies with

734
00:33:42,773 --> 00:33:44,773
Speaker 3: the alcohol, right yeah, and.

735
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Speaker 2: Well, look, to be honest, it is for some and

736
00:33:49,133 --> 00:33:52,893
Speaker 2: isn't for others, but absolutely terrible for a friend of mine.

737
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Speaker 2: He still claims that the worst night of his life

738
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Speaker 2: was when he got on the trammis with alcohol. Just

739
00:33:59,453 --> 00:34:01,373
Speaker 2: just the crazy stuff he got up to the stupid

740
00:34:01,413 --> 00:34:05,893
Speaker 2: things he said and the absolutely insanity of the night

741
00:34:05,973 --> 00:34:08,093
Speaker 2: he had. Poor bugger, it's just parts of your brain

742
00:34:08,493 --> 00:34:11,533
Speaker 2: turned off, you know, too many parts of your brain

743
00:34:11,613 --> 00:34:12,172
Speaker 2: being turned off.

744
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Speaker 4: Sounds like a risky move, all right, taking your calls,

745
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Speaker 4: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, keen on your experiences

746
00:34:18,613 --> 00:34:21,292
Speaker 4: with tramadold. Did you get addicted or did it not work?

747
00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:24,213
Speaker 4: And if you found an alternative as well for pain

748
00:34:24,533 --> 00:34:26,453
Speaker 4: can to hear your thoughts. It is eleven to two.

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Speaker 6: Matd heath Tyler Adams. Taking your calls on, oh, eight

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Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 20: Be.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, I welcome the show. Your experience on pain clinics.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, I guess. I'm I had several years of needing

755
00:34:48,973 --> 00:34:53,773
Speaker 24: pain treatments for our pigus, and so I've got the

756
00:34:53,853 --> 00:34:57,533
Speaker 24: foll experience of the I guess the text that's available

757
00:34:57,533 --> 00:35:03,333
Speaker 24: in museums. So from an adult, I approfence codeinged Tramadol

758
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:09,293
Speaker 24: spiritual you know, morphe that kind of stuff and kind

759
00:35:09,333 --> 00:35:11,213
Speaker 24: of picked out and a lot of going to the

760
00:35:11,293 --> 00:35:15,213
Speaker 24: pain clin it. And I thought my experience and the

761
00:35:15,293 --> 00:35:17,653
Speaker 24: pain clin it is going to be access to, you know,

762
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Speaker 24: some other kind of drugs that went otherwise available. But

763
00:35:21,893 --> 00:35:23,172
Speaker 24: it's not that at all.

764
00:35:25,053 --> 00:35:26,373
Speaker 20: What they end up just.

765
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Speaker 24: Teaching you as that it's just mental and so you

766
00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:38,293
Speaker 24: don't actually get access to any kind of different product.

767
00:35:38,973 --> 00:35:43,573
Speaker 24: You just get techniques to better manage the pain mentally, right,

768
00:35:43,853 --> 00:35:47,173
Speaker 24: because pain's obviously two parts, right. You've got the sending

769
00:35:47,253 --> 00:35:49,933
Speaker 24: part of which is the nervous system, which is the

770
00:35:50,093 --> 00:35:53,293
Speaker 24: signal that's coming from the area that's in pain. That's

771
00:35:53,293 --> 00:35:55,573
Speaker 24: the physical part, and then you've got the psychological part,

772
00:35:55,933 --> 00:35:58,893
Speaker 24: which is the mental response to it. So all of

773
00:35:58,973 --> 00:36:02,213
Speaker 24: the drugs that we have available in our toolkit, they

774
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:04,973
Speaker 24: work on the mental part of it. So that's why

775
00:36:05,053 --> 00:36:08,333
Speaker 24: you end up with so many people having different side

776
00:36:08,333 --> 00:36:13,213
Speaker 24: ecological responses because the drugs are actually interacting with the

777
00:36:13,373 --> 00:36:16,093
Speaker 24: mental side of your brain and how it receives the

778
00:36:16,173 --> 00:36:21,373
Speaker 24: pain signals. So the takeout of it was I have

779
00:36:21,773 --> 00:36:24,613
Speaker 24: my pain by mentally controlling it.

780
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Speaker 3: What are the basic you know, what are the basic

781
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Speaker 3: method methods for doing that? Andrew, there's a.

782
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Speaker 24: There's a tool kit that you learn, right, but it's

783
00:36:35,933 --> 00:36:39,093
Speaker 24: much in the same way that you treat anxiety. So

784
00:36:40,133 --> 00:36:42,493
Speaker 24: if you're lying in bed and you're thinking about your

785
00:36:42,573 --> 00:36:45,133
Speaker 24: pain and you've got nothing else going on, you focus

786
00:36:45,213 --> 00:36:49,133
Speaker 24: on the pain. So to teach you distraction techniques, breathing techniques,

787
00:36:49,293 --> 00:36:55,653
Speaker 24: calming techniques, ways of controlling the vagual nerves so that

788
00:36:56,093 --> 00:36:59,093
Speaker 24: fight and flight response. And you know, if you kind

789
00:36:59,133 --> 00:37:01,053
Speaker 24: of get some pain, you're get an adrenaline rush, and

790
00:37:01,053 --> 00:37:05,493
Speaker 24: the adrenaline rush amplifies the pain response, so your body

791
00:37:05,573 --> 00:37:09,453
Speaker 24: can be more reactive to the pain. So it's about

792
00:37:09,613 --> 00:37:14,373
Speaker 24: controlling all of your body's response to the pain to

793
00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:19,413
Speaker 24: calm it down through the breathing, exercise, distraction, all those

794
00:37:19,453 --> 00:37:22,933
Speaker 24: kind of techniques that they would teach you and managing anxiety.

795
00:37:23,893 --> 00:37:26,253
Speaker 2: And so and so does this work with along with

796
00:37:26,773 --> 00:37:30,133
Speaker 2: pain killers or is this enough just doing that for

797
00:37:30,413 --> 00:37:31,333
Speaker 2: you to deal with your pain?

798
00:37:32,693 --> 00:37:36,773
Speaker 24: For me, I needed a mix of both. Antient This

799
00:37:36,973 --> 00:37:40,093
Speaker 24: was this was severe art lighter side crippling. I couldn't walk.

800
00:37:41,173 --> 00:37:45,613
Speaker 24: Needed needed a bilateral hYP replacement in a public health system,

801
00:37:45,653 --> 00:37:47,453
Speaker 24: and I didn't get access to it for three years,

802
00:37:47,573 --> 00:37:49,973
Speaker 24: so I was almost bed with him for a lot

803
00:37:50,053 --> 00:37:52,933
Speaker 24: of that time. But what I ended up finding out

804
00:37:53,093 --> 00:37:54,973
Speaker 24: when I was in the pain when it was so

805
00:37:55,213 --> 00:37:58,133
Speaker 24: many of the people in there were leaning into the

806
00:37:58,213 --> 00:38:03,053
Speaker 24: drugs that they liked or that they preferred, and so

807
00:38:03,253 --> 00:38:05,973
Speaker 24: they didn't actually necessarily need these drugs, but they are

808
00:38:07,133 --> 00:38:11,053
Speaker 24: a toll on the toolkit and psychologically they might have

809
00:38:11,133 --> 00:38:15,973
Speaker 24: felt better in some but also some had as you've

810
00:38:16,173 --> 00:38:22,373
Speaker 24: sort of described, these unintended side effects from these pain drugs.

811
00:38:22,453 --> 00:38:24,373
Speaker 24: And it's not that anyone as good or anyone is

812
00:38:24,413 --> 00:38:28,493
Speaker 24: bad or better than another. It's just that what's right

813
00:38:28,653 --> 00:38:32,292
Speaker 24: to your own minds chemistry, and that's different from person

814
00:38:32,373 --> 00:38:34,413
Speaker 24: to person, right, So some people get addicted like in

815
00:38:34,493 --> 00:38:37,613
Speaker 24: your place. Other people have no response to it, and

816
00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:40,533
Speaker 24: other people it's the best thing that it's ever ever been.

817
00:38:40,653 --> 00:38:45,453
Speaker 24: So that's really a case of tailoring the right medication

818
00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:49,172
Speaker 24: to the right person. And that's why, you know, there

819
00:38:49,253 --> 00:38:51,613
Speaker 24: just needs to be tools and the toolcat for doctors.

820
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:53,853
Speaker 24: And then they take you on some and off some

821
00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:58,212
Speaker 24: and actually antidepression drugs, even though for pain, the same

822
00:38:58,293 --> 00:39:01,613
Speaker 24: gods that they prescribe for antidepression are the same ones

823
00:39:01,693 --> 00:39:06,453
Speaker 24: they do the pain management. So you know, it's just

824
00:39:06,613 --> 00:39:08,053
Speaker 24: it's a toolkit for doctors to use.

825
00:39:08,133 --> 00:39:10,613
Speaker 3: The thank you so much for your call Andrew. I

826
00:39:10,693 --> 00:39:13,293
Speaker 3: was definitely in that camp where I found one that I.

827
00:39:13,333 --> 00:39:15,853
Speaker 4: Really liked and then really massively leaned into it.

828
00:39:16,213 --> 00:39:19,093
Speaker 2: And you know, if I'm absolutely honest, when I was

829
00:39:19,413 --> 00:39:22,453
Speaker 2: on the tramadole, I was loving the tramadol. So I

830
00:39:22,533 --> 00:39:26,573
Speaker 2: was taking more and more and the pain was way

831
00:39:26,693 --> 00:39:28,933
Speaker 2: back in the in the background of the reasons why

832
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:29,453
Speaker 2: I was taking it.

833
00:39:29,573 --> 00:39:31,733
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I'm honest, Yeah, well that's why it is,

834
00:39:32,493 --> 00:39:34,853
Speaker 4: be honest, Yeah, exactly, That's why it's so dangerous for

835
00:39:34,893 --> 00:39:36,533
Speaker 4: a lot of people. All Right, we are going to

836
00:39:36,573 --> 00:39:38,133
Speaker 4: carry this on because so many people want to have

837
00:39:38,213 --> 00:39:41,173
Speaker 4: a chat about it. We've got one spear line, so

838
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Speaker 4: get on the Phone's eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

839
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Speaker 4: What was your experience with tramadole like and if you

840
00:39:45,933 --> 00:39:48,172
Speaker 4: want to send a text number tick through. The number

841
00:39:48,213 --> 00:39:50,693
Speaker 4: for that is nine two ninety two New Sport And

842
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Speaker 4: we're a fast approaching. You're listening to Matt and Tyler.

843
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Speaker 4: Hope you're having a great Thursday afternoon. Stay right here.

844
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Speaker 4: We'll be back soon.

845
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Speaker 6: Talking with you all.

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Speaker 1: Afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons us dogs, it'd

847
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Speaker 1: be afternoon.

848
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Speaker 4: Welcome back into the program six par too. So we

849
00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:11,252
Speaker 4: have been talking about tramadol. There's been a sharp rise

850
00:40:11,293 --> 00:40:14,493
Speaker 4: and prescriptions of their pain killer. More than two hundred

851
00:40:14,493 --> 00:40:17,293
Speaker 4: and seventy thousand Kiwis were given the drug last year.

852
00:40:17,613 --> 00:40:20,213
Speaker 4: As most of us snow, Tramadol is often prescribed before

853
00:40:20,333 --> 00:40:23,413
Speaker 4: or after surgery to manage pain, but it can be

854
00:40:23,653 --> 00:40:25,252
Speaker 4: highly addictive for many people.

855
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Speaker 3: The sexuses.

856
00:40:26,213 --> 00:40:28,893
Speaker 2: I represented New Zealand in a snow skiing race in

857
00:40:28,973 --> 00:40:32,413
Speaker 2: Queenstown years ago and wiped out, leading to partial broken

858
00:40:32,573 --> 00:40:36,653
Speaker 2: lower tibia fracture. Wow out two more races to finish.

859
00:40:36,773 --> 00:40:39,373
Speaker 2: I strapped it up and took tramadole, came second with

860
00:40:39,453 --> 00:40:42,933
Speaker 2: a silver. Nice congratulations, although I'm not sure if we

861
00:40:43,053 --> 00:40:46,053
Speaker 2: should recommend that to every sports person. Spent months recovering

862
00:40:46,093 --> 00:40:49,133
Speaker 2: after surgery, but no pain during races are down the

863
00:40:49,173 --> 00:40:53,652
Speaker 2: mountain and giants slalom. Some say secretly some abs are

864
00:40:53,813 --> 00:40:56,933
Speaker 2: on panadole, but no one is going to say, of course.

865
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Speaker 2: I mean in club rugby, you know a lot of

866
00:41:00,733 --> 00:41:04,773
Speaker 2: people slam the codeine because of the p pain, especially

867
00:41:04,813 --> 00:41:05,772
Speaker 2: if you're playing up front.

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00:41:05,973 --> 00:41:08,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, but professional I think they test for that stuff,

869
00:41:08,653 --> 00:41:09,013
Speaker 4: don't they do?

870
00:41:09,093 --> 00:41:11,773
Speaker 2: The test for tramadol. Good question, do the test for

871
00:41:11,893 --> 00:41:14,693
Speaker 2: pain killers? Because because that is that I guess that is.

872
00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:17,493
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got no idea actually, but that has

873
00:41:17,573 --> 00:41:20,613
Speaker 2: performance and harmit heart. It's kind of like being that

874
00:41:20,773 --> 00:41:24,613
Speaker 2: character kick ass if you've got no fantastic movie. Yeah,

875
00:41:24,893 --> 00:41:26,493
Speaker 2: but if you can feel no pain, that's kind of

876
00:41:26,533 --> 00:41:28,453
Speaker 2: a it's kind of a hard power.

877
00:41:29,053 --> 00:41:31,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

878
00:41:31,693 --> 00:41:32,692
Speaker 4: is the number to call.

879
00:41:33,893 --> 00:41:36,173
Speaker 3: Bruce, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts on tramadol?

880
00:41:37,053 --> 00:41:39,933
Speaker 25: Yeah, Hi, I was one of those third that it

881
00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:43,493
Speaker 25: had no effect on them, so it didn't didn't do

882
00:41:43,573 --> 00:41:46,293
Speaker 25: anything for me. But I had my I had some

883
00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:50,093
Speaker 25: joints replaced in Australia, I had a hip joint replaced

884
00:41:50,133 --> 00:41:52,893
Speaker 25: and I became addicted to oxy conton.

885
00:41:53,733 --> 00:41:55,733
Speaker 4: It's famous one. Yeah.

886
00:41:55,813 --> 00:41:59,853
Speaker 25: It started in twoy and eleven when I had it,

887
00:42:00,093 --> 00:42:03,853
Speaker 25: had a hip replaced. In recovery, they give you an

888
00:42:03,893 --> 00:42:06,773
Speaker 25: Eppie dural and they give you a morphine pump. I

889
00:42:06,813 --> 00:42:08,533
Speaker 25: don't know what whether they do it. This was on

890
00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:13,293
Speaker 25: Australian hospitals and yourself manage this morphine pump so when

891
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:15,773
Speaker 25: your pain level goes up you give the morphine a

892
00:42:15,853 --> 00:42:20,533
Speaker 25: pump and you get morphine to the epidural into your body,

893
00:42:22,053 --> 00:42:25,733
Speaker 25: and you know, you find your tolerance for pain becomes

894
00:42:25,853 --> 00:42:29,493
Speaker 25: less and less as you start squeezing the squeezing it,

895
00:42:29,573 --> 00:42:32,493
Speaker 25: so you actually have a slight addiction to morphine when

896
00:42:32,493 --> 00:42:37,093
Speaker 25: you come out. And there was no talk of tramadol

897
00:42:37,173 --> 00:42:41,533
Speaker 25: back then. This is twenty eleven. The drug they gave

898
00:42:41,653 --> 00:42:45,773
Speaker 25: me for a cover was in down and paracetamol, and

899
00:42:45,973 --> 00:42:47,493
Speaker 25: I had that for a while and I went to

900
00:42:47,613 --> 00:42:51,053
Speaker 25: my GP and I said, all the pain's not you've

901
00:42:51,053 --> 00:42:53,333
Speaker 25: got and he said, well, look, the next one is OxyContin.

902
00:42:54,053 --> 00:42:57,293
Speaker 25: And we started off with ten milligrams and that was okay,

903
00:42:57,453 --> 00:43:02,213
Speaker 25: and then twenty milligrams. And I really empathized with what.

904
00:43:02,293 --> 00:43:02,772
Speaker 8: You were saying.

905
00:43:02,813 --> 00:43:06,812
Speaker 25: I had a wonderful year on it, but I knew,

906
00:43:06,893 --> 00:43:10,252
Speaker 25: I knew I was in when I thought, I can't

907
00:43:10,293 --> 00:43:12,773
Speaker 25: go back to the doctor and asked for fifty milligrams.

908
00:43:12,773 --> 00:43:16,093
Speaker 25: I've gone from ten to twenty thirty. But the plaine

909
00:43:16,133 --> 00:43:20,252
Speaker 25: should be getting better and it's getting worse. So that's

910
00:43:20,293 --> 00:43:23,333
Speaker 25: when I that's when I had to quit. But the

911
00:43:23,453 --> 00:43:25,573
Speaker 25: way you quit with having a bottle there is just

912
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:28,973
Speaker 25: it's awesome strength, mate, anyone that has had an addiction

913
00:43:29,133 --> 00:43:30,493
Speaker 25: to pharmaceutical or drugs.

914
00:43:31,653 --> 00:43:33,053
Speaker 17: That's really ballsy, mate.

915
00:43:33,093 --> 00:43:36,093
Speaker 25: To do that, that's you know, I imagine how you.

916
00:43:36,093 --> 00:43:36,573
Speaker 17: Could do that.

917
00:43:37,013 --> 00:43:39,973
Speaker 3: It was it was horrible, It was it was the worst.

918
00:43:40,013 --> 00:43:42,973
Speaker 4: It was crazy. That sounds ridiculous, but I felt like

919
00:43:43,053 --> 00:43:43,613
Speaker 4: I was in hell.

920
00:43:44,573 --> 00:43:44,772
Speaker 20: Yeah.

921
00:43:45,133 --> 00:43:49,693
Speaker 2: It wasn't just physically, but like primarily emotionally, just the

922
00:43:49,853 --> 00:43:53,453
Speaker 2: anxiety and the just impending sense of doom, like the

923
00:43:53,493 --> 00:43:56,533
Speaker 2: world was ending and I was the worst slimy slag

924
00:43:56,613 --> 00:43:58,893
Speaker 2: on the planet and didn't deserve anything.

925
00:43:59,013 --> 00:44:00,573
Speaker 3: Just lying this bit. It was horrible.

926
00:44:01,813 --> 00:44:04,453
Speaker 25: But to be able to do that, go through that,

927
00:44:04,733 --> 00:44:07,893
Speaker 25: and still have the relief theater of having those pills.

928
00:44:08,493 --> 00:44:10,772
Speaker 25: You know, your dad was spot on when he said,

929
00:44:10,813 --> 00:44:13,533
Speaker 25: if you want to quit, you've got to have something

930
00:44:13,653 --> 00:44:16,173
Speaker 25: there to fall back on. You know, that's very important

931
00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:20,093
Speaker 25: for pharmaceuticaceutical addiction. You've got to have a little bit left,

932
00:44:20,093 --> 00:44:23,173
Speaker 25: particularly if you're on Benzo's, benzos, an alcohol, or a

933
00:44:23,373 --> 00:44:26,973
Speaker 25: lethal combination, which is an entirely different story, but I

934
00:44:27,333 --> 00:44:31,613
Speaker 25: found with the oxy content, I an little interesting segue here.

935
00:44:31,693 --> 00:44:33,293
Speaker 25: You get you get to know people in the check

936
00:44:33,333 --> 00:44:35,533
Speaker 25: out in the supermarket that you you know, you go

937
00:44:35,653 --> 00:44:38,133
Speaker 25: there quite often, and there was a lady, very nice lady,

938
00:44:38,213 --> 00:44:40,413
Speaker 25: and we'd talk and I'd tell her I was going

939
00:44:40,453 --> 00:44:41,613
Speaker 25: in for surgery and having.

940
00:44:41,493 --> 00:44:42,093
Speaker 13: My hip done.

941
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:43,772
Speaker 25: It said, you know, what are you doing for your pain?

942
00:44:43,853 --> 00:44:43,933
Speaker 18: Oh?

943
00:44:44,053 --> 00:44:46,373
Speaker 25: I was having indown and oh, you're your oxy content?

944
00:44:46,453 --> 00:44:47,573
Speaker 19: And I actually was.

945
00:44:47,693 --> 00:44:49,013
Speaker 17: He was ectually grooming me.

946
00:44:49,853 --> 00:44:52,693
Speaker 25: And about three months later I was at home rehabing.

947
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:53,973
Speaker 17: You said what are you doing? How's your pain?

948
00:44:53,973 --> 00:44:55,733
Speaker 25: And go, oh they gave me some oxy content?

949
00:44:56,053 --> 00:44:58,093
Speaker 12: Oh, hello, have you got any sphere oxy content?

950
00:44:58,453 --> 00:44:59,493
Speaker 9: And that's what she was.

951
00:45:01,013 --> 00:45:04,173
Speaker 25: My oxy content. Years no one I was going in

952
00:45:04,253 --> 00:45:10,093
Speaker 25: for surgery. But in Australia they they don't prescribe tramadol

953
00:45:10,413 --> 00:45:14,373
Speaker 25: hardly at all, because I think of the adverse effects

954
00:45:14,493 --> 00:45:19,013
Speaker 25: that the pain relief here seems to be tramadol and coding,

955
00:45:20,573 --> 00:45:22,613
Speaker 25: which when you've got it, and when you've got that deep,

956
00:45:22,773 --> 00:45:27,333
Speaker 25: throbbing internal pain of a joint, you really need something

957
00:45:28,173 --> 00:45:31,333
Speaker 25: pretty major. And just one other thing that when I

958
00:45:31,413 --> 00:45:35,653
Speaker 25: woke up from surgery, the pain was gone.

959
00:45:36,213 --> 00:45:37,733
Speaker 4: It was gone, and.

960
00:45:39,493 --> 00:45:44,533
Speaker 25: I beat that addiction. But about five years later I

961
00:45:44,693 --> 00:45:48,053
Speaker 25: injured my knee and it wasn't a major operation. I

962
00:45:48,093 --> 00:45:51,693
Speaker 25: couldn't work. I was on crutches. But once again I

963
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:54,373
Speaker 25: was put on the oxy continent because the tramadol didn't work,

964
00:45:55,013 --> 00:45:56,853
Speaker 25: and it was once again. I was on the ten

965
00:45:57,053 --> 00:45:59,733
Speaker 25: twenty and it was And then I just knew I

966
00:45:59,853 --> 00:46:03,613
Speaker 25: had to stop again because I addicted once and I

967
00:46:03,773 --> 00:46:06,813
Speaker 25: was the second time. It was becoming very easy to

968
00:46:06,813 --> 00:46:10,133
Speaker 25: become addicted to it again because they say it's a

969
00:46:10,213 --> 00:46:13,573
Speaker 25: synthetic hero, isn't it. It just it chills the pain,

970
00:46:13,693 --> 00:46:15,933
Speaker 25: but it also gives you a high.

971
00:46:16,173 --> 00:46:20,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything you lose anxiety, everything's fine, everything's mellow. You

972
00:46:21,013 --> 00:46:24,213
Speaker 2: sort of you kind of your cruise above life or something.

973
00:46:24,253 --> 00:46:25,853
Speaker 2: You're just floating around.

974
00:46:25,973 --> 00:46:28,373
Speaker 4: It seems very full on. I don't know much about it,

975
00:46:28,413 --> 00:46:30,493
Speaker 4: but there was a someone's text through about it as

976
00:46:30,533 --> 00:46:33,933
Speaker 4: a mini series called Painkillers on Netflix about the creation

977
00:46:34,093 --> 00:46:34,893
Speaker 4: of oxy content.

978
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is it?

979
00:46:36,093 --> 00:46:39,732
Speaker 4: The Sackler family, Yeah, and how addictive it ended up being.

980
00:46:39,893 --> 00:46:42,613
Speaker 4: They were obviously they got into trouble because they said

981
00:46:42,653 --> 00:46:44,453
Speaker 4: it was non addictive and turned out to be a

982
00:46:44,533 --> 00:46:45,813
Speaker 4: thousand times more addictive.

983
00:46:46,213 --> 00:46:52,453
Speaker 2: A lot of There's also a fantastic podcast called American Scandal.

984
00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:54,453
Speaker 2: Have you ever listened to that podcast Lindsay Graham and

985
00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:57,613
Speaker 2: Season forty one is Opioids in America and it's about the.

986
00:46:57,613 --> 00:46:58,652
Speaker 6: Oxy contacting them.

987
00:46:59,053 --> 00:46:59,773
Speaker 12: Yeah, the ox.

988
00:46:59,693 --> 00:47:01,893
Speaker 3: Content scandal is crazy crazy.

989
00:47:02,693 --> 00:47:05,613
Speaker 25: The pharmaceutical company is pushing them to the doctors and

990
00:47:06,013 --> 00:47:08,652
Speaker 25: they bushing them out. There's an opioid there.

991
00:47:09,773 --> 00:47:12,333
Speaker 2: Have you seen have you seen, Bruce, the footage of

992
00:47:13,013 --> 00:47:17,493
Speaker 2: you know, the fentanyl addicts in Montreal and in San

993
00:47:17,573 --> 00:47:20,813
Speaker 2: Francisco just folded over there. I mean people will have

994
00:47:20,893 --> 00:47:22,613
Speaker 2: seen them out on the street that have been over

995
00:47:22,693 --> 00:47:27,213
Speaker 2: to San Francisco up in Canada recently. It's just horrible

996
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:29,853
Speaker 2: that these people that are just they're so wasted on

997
00:47:29,933 --> 00:47:32,172
Speaker 2: the fentanyl that they just fold over.

998
00:47:32,293 --> 00:47:32,933
Speaker 4: It's horrifying.

999
00:47:33,533 --> 00:47:36,692
Speaker 2: You're just balancing on their feet, but they're folded right

1000
00:47:36,773 --> 00:47:37,893
Speaker 2: down on the ground.

1001
00:47:37,933 --> 00:47:39,172
Speaker 4: It's it's a horror show.

1002
00:47:40,133 --> 00:47:43,573
Speaker 25: You're just an escape from life, and your life is miserable.

1003
00:47:43,653 --> 00:47:45,453
Speaker 25: So you know, you've got to look at the true

1004
00:47:45,493 --> 00:47:48,252
Speaker 25: beer eyes. You know, what's to live for except the high?

1005
00:47:49,173 --> 00:47:53,533
Speaker 2: And you know, Bruce, that is you know how bad

1006
00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:55,333
Speaker 2: when you come off it. You look around and go,

1007
00:47:55,573 --> 00:47:58,573
Speaker 2: I'm standing on the street with all these zombies. But

1008
00:47:58,733 --> 00:48:00,973
Speaker 2: you know, that if you take more then suddenly you'll

1009
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:05,413
Speaker 2: enter basically paradise again. So your two options of paradise

1010
00:48:06,093 --> 00:48:07,533
Speaker 2: or horror show.

1011
00:48:08,693 --> 00:48:13,613
Speaker 25: So once again leaving that paradise for the horror show

1012
00:48:14,053 --> 00:48:16,933
Speaker 25: with the paradise on top of your TV mate is

1013
00:48:17,213 --> 00:48:20,933
Speaker 25: just awesome. Yeah, you know it's pretty you bro.

1014
00:48:21,213 --> 00:48:22,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you.

1015
00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:23,773
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you a lot of people are texting

1016
00:48:23,853 --> 00:48:26,013
Speaker 2: me saying I've got some spear ones and I'll send

1017
00:48:26,013 --> 00:48:28,213
Speaker 2: you through, and honestly, I go.

1018
00:48:28,373 --> 00:48:35,253
Speaker 4: Oh, we flash, we will. Sounds nice. Yeah, thank you

1019
00:48:35,333 --> 00:48:38,013
Speaker 4: so much for your call, Bruce. Yeah, cheers Bruce. Hundred

1020
00:48:38,053 --> 00:48:40,573
Speaker 4: eighty So, Bruce, did you have one more thing to say?

1021
00:48:40,613 --> 00:48:40,813
Speaker 12: Sorry?

1022
00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:42,413
Speaker 17: No, no, that's all good.

1023
00:48:43,013 --> 00:48:44,773
Speaker 4: All right, I can see buddy, you're a good man.

1024
00:48:44,973 --> 00:48:47,013
Speaker 4: Ie hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1025
00:48:47,093 --> 00:48:49,172
Speaker 4: call back in a mo if you can't get through,

1026
00:48:49,253 --> 00:48:51,252
Speaker 4: keep trying. It is a quarter past two.

1027
00:48:51,493 --> 00:48:53,173
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm trying to remember the name of there's a

1028
00:48:53,173 --> 00:48:55,133
Speaker 2: great book on the Seckler family as well. Those are

1029
00:48:55,173 --> 00:48:58,013
Speaker 2: the people that that the company was called Perdue I

1030
00:48:58,093 --> 00:49:02,573
Speaker 2: think Perdue Farmer. And there's just a fantastic mini series

1031
00:49:02,653 --> 00:49:06,653
Speaker 2: is that that Netflix miniseries? But there's a fantastic podcast

1032
00:49:06,733 --> 00:49:11,053
Speaker 2: series and the great, the Great podcast American Scandal.

1033
00:49:11,133 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 4: But think it's season forty one fascinating. Right back in

1034
00:49:14,413 --> 00:49:16,133
Speaker 4: a mode, taking your call though on oh eight hundred

1035
00:49:16,173 --> 00:49:17,093
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty.

1036
00:49:18,693 --> 00:49:23,533
Speaker 1: Your home of Afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons call, Oh,

1037
00:49:23,613 --> 00:49:26,133
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said.

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Speaker 20: Be.

1039
00:49:28,293 --> 00:49:30,693
Speaker 4: Afternoon. We have been talking about tramadoll, a big a

1040
00:49:30,813 --> 00:49:33,733
Speaker 4: spike in the prescription of that pain color. Have you

1041
00:49:33,813 --> 00:49:36,013
Speaker 4: had any problems with that drug? Love to hear from you, Oh,

1042
00:49:36,053 --> 00:49:37,053
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1043
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:40,053
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the Sacla family and the Perdue

1044
00:49:40,253 --> 00:49:44,053
Speaker 2: oxy coton scandal, and a bunch of people have texted

1045
00:49:44,093 --> 00:49:47,853
Speaker 2: through that dope sick on Disney Plus is the is

1046
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:51,413
Speaker 2: the best story on that starring Michael Keaton, right, check

1047
00:49:51,493 --> 00:49:53,013
Speaker 2: that out. But that's been told a number of times.

1048
00:49:53,053 --> 00:49:57,493
Speaker 2: It's just an absolute shocking story of how people are

1049
00:49:57,573 --> 00:50:00,853
Speaker 2: willing to basically kill other people for profit. Yeah, and

1050
00:50:00,933 --> 00:50:04,373
Speaker 2: that's what the Sackler family is doing. It's called the

1051
00:50:04,493 --> 00:50:07,773
Speaker 2: fentyfold when they stand bent over on fentanyl. Yeah, I mean,

1052
00:50:07,773 --> 00:50:10,453
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen this online, look it up. It's horrible,

1053
00:50:10,533 --> 00:50:12,493
Speaker 2: and some of you will have seen it in real life,

1054
00:50:12,493 --> 00:50:15,013
Speaker 2: as I said before, if you've been to Montreal or

1055
00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:20,373
Speaker 2: or Vancouver or San Francisco, and what happens over there

1056
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:22,453
Speaker 2: eventually comes to New Zealand. So we'll be getting the

1057
00:50:23,453 --> 00:50:27,293
Speaker 2: fifty fold pretty soon. But it's just people wasted on fentanyl,

1058
00:50:27,413 --> 00:50:30,453
Speaker 2: just standing on the street. Just they're standing up, but

1059
00:50:30,493 --> 00:50:33,212
Speaker 2: they're bent over in this kind of horrible way.

1060
00:50:34,013 --> 00:50:36,173
Speaker 4: Just it's yeah, look at us, horrissic, is it.

1061
00:50:36,413 --> 00:50:39,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that they'll come here, yep, Well just a

1062
00:50:39,373 --> 00:50:41,373
Speaker 3: matter of time, Jen, Welcome to the show.

1063
00:50:42,293 --> 00:50:44,013
Speaker 26: Yeah, I hope it doesn't come here. I've been on

1064
00:50:44,133 --> 00:50:47,213
Speaker 26: Sentinel just to you know, in the ambulance and that

1065
00:50:47,293 --> 00:50:50,813
Speaker 26: sort of stuff, and just to think that there are

1066
00:50:50,853 --> 00:50:52,813
Speaker 26: people out there who are going to abuse that and

1067
00:50:52,973 --> 00:50:54,933
Speaker 26: sell it and bake it and we'll do whatever they

1068
00:50:55,013 --> 00:50:57,453
Speaker 26: do to sell it on the streets and to people

1069
00:50:57,493 --> 00:51:00,093
Speaker 26: who end up like what I've seen those videos and things.

1070
00:51:00,173 --> 00:51:00,653
Speaker 4: What happens.

1071
00:51:01,613 --> 00:51:07,692
Speaker 26: It's it's harrassic, it is. I hope that it never

1072
00:51:08,893 --> 00:51:11,053
Speaker 26: stage here. But just to think there's people who do

1073
00:51:11,213 --> 00:51:14,573
Speaker 26: these two other people, I'm sorry people who do that,

1074
00:51:14,733 --> 00:51:16,253
Speaker 26: but you're just terrible people.

1075
00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:19,253
Speaker 4: Anyway, you're talking about the part but they are Purdue

1076
00:51:19,413 --> 00:51:20,053
Speaker 4: in particular.

1077
00:51:20,213 --> 00:51:22,773
Speaker 3: No, she's just talking about people that are are right

1078
00:51:22,853 --> 00:51:25,733
Speaker 3: y perdue. Aren't Sentinel make it and all of that?

1079
00:51:25,853 --> 00:51:29,573
Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, both and yeah. But I've rung up about

1080
00:51:29,573 --> 00:51:31,533
Speaker 26: the tramadol because I've had tramdol experience.

1081
00:51:31,733 --> 00:51:32,813
Speaker 13: Well a bad one.

1082
00:51:33,053 --> 00:51:34,212
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, please share.

1083
00:51:35,213 --> 00:51:35,413
Speaker 24: Yes.

1084
00:51:35,493 --> 00:51:40,133
Speaker 26: So I've had pain problems for about fifty years and

1085
00:51:40,213 --> 00:51:42,333
Speaker 26: I still have them now, very bad ones. But anyway,

1086
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:48,733
Speaker 26: it was a few years ago now that I was

1087
00:51:49,293 --> 00:51:51,413
Speaker 26: I have been taking tramadol as a pain killer and

1088
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:54,893
Speaker 26: algesic for years because of these other pain conditions, right,

1089
00:51:55,453 --> 00:51:58,013
Speaker 26: and I found it was I'd also taken lots of

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00:51:58,093 --> 00:51:59,212
Speaker 26: other things. My doctor had.

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00:51:59,133 --> 00:52:02,293
Speaker 15: Tried me on boy you name it everything.

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00:52:03,893 --> 00:52:06,053
Speaker 14: So but the.

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00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:08,733
Speaker 26: Tramdol was okay for me. I never had any problems

1094
00:52:08,773 --> 00:52:12,453
Speaker 26: with it. It didn't take the pain away completely, obviously,

1095
00:52:12,733 --> 00:52:15,573
Speaker 26: I mean, I mean very little, does you know unless

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00:52:15,693 --> 00:52:19,013
Speaker 26: you you have higher doses of course, and I'd never

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00:52:19,093 --> 00:52:24,133
Speaker 26: do that to myself without you know, strict medical advice.

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00:52:25,013 --> 00:52:28,813
Speaker 26: So anyway, this particular time, I woke up, I just

1099
00:52:28,933 --> 00:52:34,172
Speaker 26: got out of bed, and I was an extremely bad pain,

1100
00:52:34,293 --> 00:52:37,172
Speaker 26: way off the page pain, riding on the floor trying

1101
00:52:37,173 --> 00:52:38,733
Speaker 26: to get out of it. That's how bad. It was

1102
00:52:38,853 --> 00:52:43,733
Speaker 26: so severe, and and other people must be able to have,

1103
00:52:44,133 --> 00:52:47,853
Speaker 26: you know, see that as well. So anyway, it was shocking.

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00:52:48,253 --> 00:52:50,933
Speaker 26: I ended up going to the hospital for that yet.

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00:52:51,453 --> 00:52:53,173
Speaker 16: And but then after a.

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00:52:53,213 --> 00:52:58,093
Speaker 26: Period of time, this pain wasn't wasn't it wasn't getting better.

1107
00:52:58,293 --> 00:52:58,933
Speaker 16: It was still there.

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00:52:59,253 --> 00:53:01,213
Speaker 26: The problem wasn't getting better. I still had a lot

1109
00:53:01,253 --> 00:53:04,053
Speaker 26: of the pain. Went back to my own GP, who

1110
00:53:04,173 --> 00:53:06,973
Speaker 26: wasn't there at the time. But the stand in guy was,

1111
00:53:07,053 --> 00:53:08,973
Speaker 26: you know, the whatever you call him. I remember, I

1112
00:53:09,053 --> 00:53:10,613
Speaker 26: go to say medic, but there are the ones in

1113
00:53:10,693 --> 00:53:12,133
Speaker 26: the army and the wars, aren't.

1114
00:53:11,933 --> 00:53:14,173
Speaker 4: They but local?

1115
00:53:16,293 --> 00:53:18,013
Speaker 3: They sprang to mind, yep.

1116
00:53:19,453 --> 00:53:20,293
Speaker 24: Locum, thank you.

1117
00:53:20,453 --> 00:53:23,013
Speaker 26: Yeah, the locan. I'd seen him before and I knew him,

1118
00:53:23,133 --> 00:53:26,693
Speaker 26: and he was a lovely man, good doctor. But anyway,

1119
00:53:26,773 --> 00:53:32,413
Speaker 26: so what happened was, yeah, they had that breakthrough pain event.

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00:53:32,453 --> 00:53:34,253
Speaker 26: It's called a breakthrough pain event. I've had quite a

1121
00:53:34,293 --> 00:53:34,692
Speaker 26: few of them.

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00:53:34,773 --> 00:53:36,013
Speaker 13: They're just disgusting.

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00:53:36,333 --> 00:53:39,173
Speaker 26: But anyway, so what had happened was that one of

1124
00:53:39,253 --> 00:53:43,133
Speaker 26: my discs had completely ruptured, like actually torn in two,

1125
00:53:43,293 --> 00:53:46,133
Speaker 26: and all the inside I've forgotten all the medical firm

1126
00:53:46,493 --> 00:53:49,172
Speaker 26: terms of those. Anyway, the inside jail inside a disc

1127
00:53:50,013 --> 00:53:52,213
Speaker 26: was gone right out into the nerve canal and was

1128
00:53:52,253 --> 00:53:52,973
Speaker 26: pressing on the you.

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00:53:52,973 --> 00:53:54,293
Speaker 4: Know, the central nervesty.

1130
00:53:55,493 --> 00:53:56,653
Speaker 19: Yeah, what happened?

1131
00:53:56,693 --> 00:53:59,693
Speaker 26: So anyway, so I went to this guy and he

1132
00:53:59,973 --> 00:54:02,013
Speaker 26: put me on more tremdal.

1133
00:54:02,093 --> 00:54:03,133
Speaker 14: He said, well, continue as a.

1134
00:54:03,093 --> 00:54:06,693
Speaker 26: Tremdol, but he put me up to the maximum dosage

1135
00:54:06,773 --> 00:54:09,413
Speaker 26: that anybody can take in the twenty four hours plus

1136
00:54:09,573 --> 00:54:11,573
Speaker 26: I had had this. I found out later from the

1137
00:54:11,613 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 26: psychiatrist Ladier I had to see at the hospital. What

1138
00:54:14,173 --> 00:54:17,013
Speaker 26: had happened was I had had this build up of

1139
00:54:17,133 --> 00:54:20,213
Speaker 26: tremadol in my body for so long and he mustn't

1140
00:54:20,213 --> 00:54:23,813
Speaker 26: have known that. And I was put on this huge

1141
00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:26,973
Speaker 26: amount of morph not morphing, the creminol every day.

1142
00:54:27,453 --> 00:54:30,173
Speaker 24: And I just flitsed.

1143
00:54:30,253 --> 00:54:30,973
Speaker 4: My mind went.

1144
00:54:31,213 --> 00:54:34,693
Speaker 26: I became almost I don't know, psychotic, not psychotic.

1145
00:54:34,973 --> 00:54:37,133
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I was like hallucination.

1146
00:54:38,893 --> 00:54:40,053
Speaker 3: Were there hallucinations?

1147
00:54:40,573 --> 00:54:42,692
Speaker 26: Oh no, No, it wasn't actually psychotic. So that's why

1148
00:54:42,813 --> 00:54:45,933
Speaker 26: I know, I know about psychotics, right, psychostist, So that's

1149
00:54:45,933 --> 00:54:48,772
Speaker 26: what to explain it. That's why I used that word

1150
00:54:48,933 --> 00:54:51,013
Speaker 26: was because I was it was like I was a

1151
00:54:51,053 --> 00:54:53,773
Speaker 26: mental case and I was having a terrible, terrible breakdown,

1152
00:54:54,013 --> 00:54:56,493
Speaker 26: couldn't stop crying. I wouldn't let anybody leave.

1153
00:54:56,653 --> 00:54:57,813
Speaker 13: This is in the hospital as well.

1154
00:54:58,653 --> 00:55:04,013
Speaker 26: It was horror, horrifying anyway, So their mental people came over,

1155
00:55:04,213 --> 00:55:09,093
Speaker 26: mental mental health team came over, and that's and then

1156
00:55:09,133 --> 00:55:12,573
Speaker 26: I had to see them as an an outtatient as well.

1157
00:55:13,853 --> 00:55:17,533
Speaker 26: So that's what happened there with me and I. That's

1158
00:55:17,573 --> 00:55:22,093
Speaker 26: why I'm very very careful with pain killers. I still

1159
00:55:22,173 --> 00:55:24,333
Speaker 26: have to take them. My pain's worse. Actually, I'm now

1160
00:55:24,413 --> 00:55:28,453
Speaker 26: seventy one, going into very old age. I'm still living

1161
00:55:28,573 --> 00:55:31,213
Speaker 26: extreme pain. I tell you, I can't stand it anymore.

1162
00:55:31,253 --> 00:55:33,853
Speaker 26: But I will not go on tramadol again. My doctor

1163
00:55:33,893 --> 00:55:36,053
Speaker 26: offered it to me just just last week.

1164
00:55:36,093 --> 00:55:41,093
Speaker 3: And yeah, after all that history, Yeah, thank you so

1165
00:55:41,213 --> 00:55:43,693
Speaker 3: much for sharing a story with us. Jin Yeah, that

1166
00:55:43,853 --> 00:55:46,453
Speaker 3: is a poutionary tale. Tramidole has to be the most

1167
00:55:46,653 --> 00:55:51,493
Speaker 3: varying dragon terms of its effects on people. We're getting

1168
00:55:51,493 --> 00:55:55,773
Speaker 3: all sort in the horse pictureum from absolutely doing nothing

1169
00:55:56,733 --> 00:55:58,613
Speaker 3: through two complete psychotic.

1170
00:55:58,213 --> 00:56:01,013
Speaker 4: Breaks, losing your mind. Yeah right o, Hannah, and someone

1171
00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:05,292
Speaker 4: who's lover broke down because a lot oh one hundred

1172
00:56:05,293 --> 00:56:07,093
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Would

1173
00:56:07,093 --> 00:56:09,893
Speaker 4: love to hear your experience when you were prescribed train

1174
00:56:09,973 --> 00:56:12,293
Speaker 4: it all. It is twenty five past two.

1175
00:56:14,373 --> 00:56:16,652
Speaker 2: You know that feeling when you get home from an

1176
00:56:16,693 --> 00:56:20,213
Speaker 2: amazing overseas trip and then your bank statement arrives. Suddenly,

1177
00:56:20,333 --> 00:56:23,613
Speaker 2: that perfect holiday Tyler doesn't feel so perfect when you

1178
00:56:23,693 --> 00:56:25,813
Speaker 2: see all those hidden foreign exchange fees.

1179
00:56:25,973 --> 00:56:26,133
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1180
00:56:26,213 --> 00:56:28,573
Speaker 4: Here's the thing though, Your bank loves it when you

1181
00:56:28,813 --> 00:56:32,613
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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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00:57:23,973 --> 00:57:26,973
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk ZB tram Itole.

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00:57:27,173 --> 00:57:30,053
Speaker 4: Have you been prescribed it? Have you struggled with it?

1201
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:32,213
Speaker 4: We're taking your stories on our eight hundred and eighty

1202
00:57:32,213 --> 00:57:32,613
Speaker 4: ten eighty.

1203
00:57:33,413 --> 00:57:36,213
Speaker 3: This texta Hamish says, come on, wake up. Fentanyl all

1204
00:57:36,293 --> 00:57:38,093
Speaker 3: comes from China. It's war.

1205
00:57:38,493 --> 00:57:40,253
Speaker 4: Wake up, it's coming here.

1206
00:57:40,453 --> 00:57:43,333
Speaker 2: Well, it does seem to be getting pumped out of

1207
00:57:43,453 --> 00:57:45,653
Speaker 2: China all across the Western world.

1208
00:57:46,453 --> 00:57:47,293
Speaker 3: But people are chasing.

1209
00:57:47,333 --> 00:57:49,053
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the opium wars back in the

1210
00:57:49,133 --> 00:57:52,053
Speaker 2: day when when the UK was selling a lot of

1211
00:57:52,093 --> 00:57:54,853
Speaker 2: opium into China. Yeah, I mean that's what Hong Kong was.

1212
00:57:55,253 --> 00:57:57,413
Speaker 4: Was created around the opium wars went weren't they they

1213
00:57:57,453 --> 00:57:59,413
Speaker 4: were yeah, opium dims. They loved their opium.

1214
00:57:59,693 --> 00:58:01,453
Speaker 2: So now it's the other way around and that and

1215
00:58:01,973 --> 00:58:04,853
Speaker 2: China is pumping the fentanyl out this way.

1216
00:58:04,853 --> 00:58:05,533
Speaker 4: Kind of ironic.

1217
00:58:05,853 --> 00:58:09,013
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, does it there We're some some

1218
00:58:09,213 --> 00:58:13,653
Speaker 2: talk last year I believe about you know, mdmm A

1219
00:58:14,173 --> 00:58:16,733
Speaker 2: and sort of the drugs people are taking, the kids

1220
00:58:16,773 --> 00:58:18,613
Speaker 2: are taking, some of them being cut with fentanyl.

1221
00:58:18,733 --> 00:58:20,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that fentanyl skill last year and I

1222
00:58:21,013 --> 00:58:23,373
Speaker 4: think it was picked up in Wellington, so the Drug

1223
00:58:23,453 --> 00:58:25,693
Speaker 4: Agency did put out a warning. So'd be careful, but

1224
00:58:25,733 --> 00:58:28,373
Speaker 4: I'll be interested to know if it's really hitting hard

1225
00:58:28,453 --> 00:58:32,893
Speaker 4: here again, are we seeing the fenty bins fifty winds

1226
00:58:33,293 --> 00:58:34,733
Speaker 4: with people just standing on the streets.

1227
00:58:34,733 --> 00:58:37,453
Speaker 2: So, well Son, fentanyl I had. I had some recently

1228
00:58:37,693 --> 00:58:39,893
Speaker 2: after a procedure, and I think I was saying to

1229
00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:41,613
Speaker 2: you before Tyler. Maybe I was saying, yeah, I'm not sure.

1230
00:58:41,853 --> 00:58:43,133
Speaker 4: It was so good, good stuff.

1231
00:58:43,293 --> 00:58:43,573
Speaker 13: It was.

1232
00:58:43,893 --> 00:58:45,933
Speaker 3: It was paradise the whole time I was on and

1233
00:58:45,973 --> 00:58:47,173
Speaker 3: I was thinking, I've got to get more of this

1234
00:58:47,413 --> 00:58:49,653
Speaker 3: right and it's dangerous. Yeah, But as soon as I

1235
00:58:49,693 --> 00:58:50,853
Speaker 3: was off it, when I was back at home on

1236
00:58:50,893 --> 00:58:53,453
Speaker 3: the couch, the high was so high.

1237
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:54,453
Speaker 4: But the low was so low.

1238
00:58:54,573 --> 00:58:54,773
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1239
00:58:54,893 --> 00:58:57,133
Speaker 4: Well, if it is here in New Zealand and it's

1240
00:58:57,173 --> 00:58:58,333
Speaker 4: on the streets, love to hear from you.

1241
00:58:59,133 --> 00:58:59,613
Speaker 6: We want that.

1242
00:59:00,373 --> 00:59:02,733
Speaker 4: We don't don't come to the studio and deliver it

1243
00:59:02,813 --> 00:59:04,613
Speaker 4: to me. He's just let us know.

1244
00:59:06,453 --> 00:59:08,213
Speaker 3: And it's out on the street. We'd love to hear

1245
00:59:08,373 --> 00:59:08,613
Speaker 3: from you.

1246
00:59:09,013 --> 00:59:11,373
Speaker 4: Give me a call off. Here are you doing that?

1247
00:59:13,133 --> 00:59:15,213
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, I'm in a vehicle, just chicken, can you

1248
00:59:15,253 --> 00:59:15,453
Speaker 13: hear me?

1249
00:59:15,533 --> 00:59:19,013
Speaker 4: Okay, you sound fantastic, Dave, so clear, so crisp, so clean.

1250
00:59:19,093 --> 00:59:22,213
Speaker 13: Oh beauty, beauty. Hey, I'm just just on the sentinel.

1251
00:59:22,293 --> 00:59:22,453
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1252
00:59:22,853 --> 00:59:26,133
Speaker 13: I recently my partner she had a really bad about

1253
00:59:26,173 --> 00:59:28,293
Speaker 13: of some kidney issues and she ended.

1254
00:59:28,213 --> 00:59:29,133
Speaker 19: Up having to go under the knife.

1255
00:59:29,173 --> 00:59:30,533
Speaker 13: But before that it was a bit of weight and

1256
00:59:31,413 --> 00:59:33,093
Speaker 13: the last time we had to race her up to

1257
00:59:33,173 --> 00:59:35,213
Speaker 13: A and E and Orckland where she actually works as

1258
00:59:35,253 --> 00:59:39,053
Speaker 13: her day jobs. Up there, they put her on fencanyl

1259
00:59:39,093 --> 00:59:41,533
Speaker 13: and I can remember thinking, oh god, this you know,

1260
00:59:41,573 --> 00:59:43,493
Speaker 13: because you see, as you say, defend bend and stuff

1261
00:59:43,533 --> 00:59:47,133
Speaker 13: you see, and I was a little bit skeptical, but yeah,

1262
00:59:47,213 --> 00:59:49,653
Speaker 13: she went. That didn't last long, because she went from

1263
00:59:49,773 --> 00:59:55,133
Speaker 13: being in permanent agony for months to within a couple

1264
00:59:55,173 --> 00:59:56,773
Speaker 13: of minutes. It was like I was sitting there with

1265
00:59:56,813 --> 00:59:58,333
Speaker 13: someone who was three sheets to the wind in that

1266
00:59:58,413 --> 01:00:03,733
Speaker 13: happy place. On a few beers. She's gaggling and talking,

1267
01:00:04,213 --> 01:00:07,413
Speaker 13: you know, a bit slurred, and everything was all suddenly

1268
01:00:07,533 --> 01:00:09,933
Speaker 13: just a lot lighter. I was grateful for our one

1269
01:00:09,973 --> 01:00:12,413
Speaker 13: off experience with that stuff and.

1270
01:00:12,693 --> 01:00:16,413
Speaker 3: So so, but she wasn't prescribed that ongoing Dave.

1271
01:00:16,813 --> 01:00:17,893
Speaker 7: No, no, God no no.

1272
01:00:18,173 --> 01:00:19,933
Speaker 13: So when we got out, it was it was it

1273
01:00:20,053 --> 01:00:22,613
Speaker 13: was morphine and other stuff, you know, And and then

1274
01:00:22,893 --> 01:00:25,933
Speaker 13: thankfully the operations sort of fixed up everything.

1275
01:00:26,013 --> 01:00:28,173
Speaker 3: Now she's fine year, right and so And did the

1276
01:00:28,213 --> 01:00:29,413
Speaker 3: other painkillers work for her?

1277
01:00:29,773 --> 01:00:29,973
Speaker 15: Dave?

1278
01:00:30,613 --> 01:00:33,573
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well not not not as well like

1279
01:00:33,733 --> 01:00:35,693
Speaker 13: it was. Still it was still pretty nasty for the

1280
01:00:36,133 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 13: week or two long. We had to wait for a

1281
01:00:37,773 --> 01:00:41,053
Speaker 13: week before the restaurant for the but it was manageable,

1282
01:00:41,173 --> 01:00:41,333
Speaker 13: you know.

1283
01:00:41,653 --> 01:00:43,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think you're pretty funny? Did she say some

1284
01:00:43,973 --> 01:00:44,693
Speaker 3: ridiculous stuff?

1285
01:00:44,733 --> 01:00:46,413
Speaker 2: So when I was on the fence and I was

1286
01:00:46,893 --> 01:00:48,813
Speaker 2: really yucking it up, like I was the funniest guy

1287
01:00:48,893 --> 01:00:51,053
Speaker 2: that's ever been in hospital. And you could sort of

1288
01:00:51,093 --> 01:00:54,573
Speaker 2: tell that people get a lot of the stuff. Seemed

1289
01:00:54,613 --> 01:00:56,853
Speaker 2: like they've they've seen that that bit before.

1290
01:00:58,293 --> 01:00:59,813
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, it did get a little bit like that.

1291
01:00:59,933 --> 01:01:02,813
Speaker 13: And her daughter worked from the in the emergency ward,

1292
01:01:02,853 --> 01:01:04,693
Speaker 13: so she was walking past a lot a lot of it.

1293
01:01:04,813 --> 01:01:07,133
Speaker 13: Of her friends actually took her there straight from where

1294
01:01:07,213 --> 01:01:09,093
Speaker 13: she was going to go home. They raced it to

1295
01:01:10,373 --> 01:01:12,133
Speaker 13: A and A and so they were there, and so

1296
01:01:12,253 --> 01:01:13,733
Speaker 13: she was very embarrassed the next day.

1297
01:01:14,013 --> 01:01:15,413
Speaker 17: Oh my god, what was I like? I said, you

1298
01:01:15,493 --> 01:01:16,573
Speaker 17: were fine, You're fine.

1299
01:01:17,733 --> 01:01:19,493
Speaker 4: She was having a good time, you know, laughed.

1300
01:01:20,133 --> 01:01:22,013
Speaker 3: It sounds like after all that pain, she deserved to

1301
01:01:22,133 --> 01:01:25,173
Speaker 3: just be a bit wasted and spinning a few yards.

1302
01:01:26,373 --> 01:01:28,853
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks, thanks so much for you cool Dave appreciate it. Yeah,

1303
01:01:28,893 --> 01:01:30,333
Speaker 4: thank you very much. If you want to send a

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Speaker 4: text nine two nine to two. Is that number plenty

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Speaker 4: coming through? Hey?

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Speaker 2: Some of a few people have been asking, Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: was the name of the podcast I was talking about

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Speaker 2: before on the Sackville Family and the Oxy Coton Scandal.

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Speaker 2: It's called American Scandal. Nice, and I think it's season

1310
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Speaker 2: forty one, but it's a great it's a great podcast,

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Speaker 2: American Scandal that's been going for years and years. There's

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Speaker 2: there's so many seasons, but it goes through basically every

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Speaker 2: American scandal and this guy called Lindsay Graham puts them

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Speaker 2: all together, right, So he's got incredible voice. It's just

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Speaker 2: it's just a fantastic So season forty.

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Speaker 4: One, yeah, great tip It's called Opiates.

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Speaker 3: And America or something like that. Anyway, season forty one night.

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Speaker 4: I just chucked it on my feed. Eachen looks very

1319
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Speaker 4: very good right headlines with Raylene coming up and plenty

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Speaker 4: more calls coming through on tramadolkein on your experience as

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Speaker 4: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to.

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Speaker 1: Corfu's talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's

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Speaker 1: no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 20: Israel's navy has intercepted a number of vessels, as activists report.

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Speaker 20: Three Kiwis and a flotilla bound for Gaza are among

1326
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Speaker 20: those detained. Prime Minister Chris Luckson says Israel's government's been

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Speaker 20: told New Zealanders should be treated consistently with international law obligations.

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Speaker 20: Auckland police have continued to carry out searches investigating the

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Speaker 20: death of US student Kyle Warrell in April. Police cordons

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Speaker 20: remain outside of fire damaged house in Auckland's Buckland's Beach,

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Speaker 20: where three people were hurt and two were still missing.

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Speaker 20: A tow truck's now taken away a blue Toyota that

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Speaker 20: was parked out front. The Warehouse group has confirmed a

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Speaker 20: much improved annual net loss of two point seven six

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Speaker 20: million dollars. Rescue teams are desperately searching for survivors and

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Speaker 20: mud and rubble after a powerful earthquake struck the Central

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Speaker 20: Philippines yesterday. The death tolls was in to at least

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Speaker 20: sixty nine. It industry's oldest association goes bust. What it's

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Speaker 20: accounts reveal. You can see more at enzid here or Premium.

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Speaker 20: Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, ray Lean and we have been

1342
01:03:35,653 --> 01:03:38,253
Speaker 4: talking about tramadol so many techs and phone calls coming

1343
01:03:38,333 --> 01:03:40,213
Speaker 4: through on various experiences.

1344
01:03:40,413 --> 01:03:43,173
Speaker 2: Lisa says, my dog got prescribed tramadol well when she

1345
01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:46,693
Speaker 2: was diagnosed with cancer. One hundred and fifty meg pills.

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01:03:47,173 --> 01:03:49,453
Speaker 2: Is that a big dog? Because the most I ever

1347
01:03:49,453 --> 01:03:51,253
Speaker 2: got it was to one hundred meggs on the tramadole.

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Speaker 4: So Lisa's dogs getting better stuff?

1349
01:03:53,333 --> 01:03:54,733
Speaker 3: Do you need more dog than more?

1350
01:03:55,333 --> 01:03:57,613
Speaker 4: Well, good question, and I just said we look at

1351
01:03:57,653 --> 01:04:00,293
Speaker 4: that and absolutely tremidol was considered safe to give to

1352
01:04:00,333 --> 01:04:02,493
Speaker 4: most dogs. That would have been a very relaxed, tilled

1353
01:04:02,533 --> 01:04:02,853
Speaker 4: out dog.

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Speaker 2: It must be difficult for your dog if you get

1355
01:04:05,133 --> 01:04:07,973
Speaker 2: addicted to something. So when I was addicted to tramidol.

1356
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Speaker 2: I could just get more.

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01:04:09,933 --> 01:04:11,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a dog wouldn't know what was going on

1358
01:04:11,693 --> 01:04:13,453
Speaker 3: for wanted more. You were just like just go.

1359
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Speaker 4: You couldn't put the bottle in front of it and

1360
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Speaker 4: just say now willpower? Just just stay strong?

1361
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean if you've ever seen a labrador

1362
01:04:22,373 --> 01:04:26,013
Speaker 2: around food and you'll know how much willpower dogs.

1363
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Speaker 4: Avaughan, how are you?

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Speaker 8: I'm fine.

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Speaker 23: Before I started, I'd like to say you two guys

1366
01:04:33,333 --> 01:04:35,813
Speaker 23: are the best top back host we have one.

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Speaker 3: Oh what a nice little.

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Speaker 17: You both bring a.

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Speaker 23: Breath of fresh air to it. Tramadol. My husband was

1370
01:04:44,693 --> 01:04:48,453
Speaker 23: injected tramadolt after coming out of recovery for an operation.

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01:04:49,173 --> 01:04:53,453
Speaker 23: This reaction was almost instant and very volatile. The news

1372
01:04:53,573 --> 01:04:57,653
Speaker 23: fortunately realized what happened and reacted immediately, and he was

1373
01:04:57,733 --> 01:05:00,413
Speaker 23: given this there's an alternative.

1374
01:05:00,613 --> 01:05:00,973
Speaker 8: What it was?

1375
01:05:01,013 --> 01:05:04,373
Speaker 21: The word is I've lost them. She asked me.

1376
01:05:04,413 --> 01:05:05,253
Speaker 23: Had he had it before?

1377
01:05:05,293 --> 01:05:05,853
Speaker 12: And I said no.

1378
01:05:06,053 --> 01:05:08,573
Speaker 23: I wanted aware of heavy. I walked into the room

1379
01:05:08,653 --> 01:05:11,093
Speaker 23: to see it all happened. I wasn't aware that he

1380
01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:13,653
Speaker 23: was reacted to tramadol.

1381
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Speaker 8: Volta.

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Speaker 23: Yes, I remember giving him a those of voltar and

1383
01:05:17,733 --> 01:05:20,973
Speaker 23: then feeding him rice and neither of those three with

1384
01:05:21,093 --> 01:05:21,573
Speaker 23: his stomach.

1385
01:05:22,213 --> 01:05:25,333
Speaker 3: So what was the reaction of on what what happened?

1386
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Speaker 3: You said, He reacted really quickly to it. What happened?

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Speaker 23: He went the stiff as a ramrod, and the back

1388
01:05:32,093 --> 01:05:34,133
Speaker 23: of his head on the top of the bed and

1389
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Speaker 23: its heels, and I could have crawled underneath it.

1390
01:05:37,173 --> 01:05:39,853
Speaker 4: Wow, terrifying. Wow, it was.

1391
01:05:41,053 --> 01:05:43,453
Speaker 12: He was aware that things had gone wrong, but he

1392
01:05:43,493 --> 01:05:47,413
Speaker 12: couldn't He couldn't verbalize, he couldn't move. He was as

1393
01:05:47,493 --> 01:05:48,333
Speaker 12: stiff as a poker.

1394
01:05:49,653 --> 01:05:53,413
Speaker 23: Came out of the hospital, had some ongoing pain, went

1395
01:05:53,493 --> 01:05:56,333
Speaker 23: to the doctor and his doctor said, oh, I'll give

1396
01:05:56,333 --> 01:05:58,933
Speaker 23: you a prescription of Panda dole, of Prami dole.

1397
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Speaker 12: And I looked at Warren. He said okay, And.

1398
01:06:02,333 --> 01:06:04,653
Speaker 23: I said, you cannot take it. He said, no, I'll

1399
01:06:04,733 --> 01:06:07,133
Speaker 23: just do the description up. I said, well, that's a

1400
01:06:07,213 --> 01:06:09,613
Speaker 23: waste of time. The doctor said, excuse me.

1401
01:06:10,053 --> 01:06:12,413
Speaker 12: I'm the doctor. I know what's best for him. And

1402
01:06:12,573 --> 01:06:13,813
Speaker 12: tremadol is what he's getting.

1403
01:06:14,173 --> 01:06:18,053
Speaker 2: What you'd seen him get basically possessed by a demon

1404
01:06:18,133 --> 01:06:19,893
Speaker 2: and turn into a board on his bed.

1405
01:06:21,053 --> 01:06:23,053
Speaker 12: Well, I said to him, if you read the hospital

1406
01:06:23,173 --> 01:06:26,293
Speaker 12: note which you have in front of you. You will

1407
01:06:26,333 --> 01:06:29,373
Speaker 12: see that he has a major reaction to it. He said,

1408
01:06:29,373 --> 01:06:32,373
Speaker 12: but this is different, this is old. That was an injection.

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01:06:32,853 --> 01:06:35,933
Speaker 12: I said, tremadol is tremadol. He is not taking it.

1410
01:06:36,693 --> 01:06:40,773
Speaker 9: Yeah, well there's nothing I can do for you management.

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01:06:41,053 --> 01:06:41,653
Speaker 4: How's he now?

1412
01:06:42,333 --> 01:06:42,733
Speaker 3: Ivonne?

1413
01:06:45,733 --> 01:06:48,253
Speaker 12: That was a few years ago, and unfortunately he passed

1414
01:06:48,253 --> 01:06:49,173
Speaker 12: away five years ago.

1415
01:06:49,373 --> 01:06:50,253
Speaker 3: Oh I sorry to hear that.

1416
01:06:51,733 --> 01:06:54,533
Speaker 4: That is a crazy response from a doctor, though, considering

1417
01:06:54,613 --> 01:06:57,893
Speaker 4: what had happened, and say, I'm the doctor. He's having drammadol.

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01:06:58,173 --> 01:07:01,173
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope that's not a common thing on.

1419
01:07:02,693 --> 01:07:03,373
Speaker 22: Well, I hope not.

1420
01:07:03,573 --> 01:07:06,373
Speaker 23: But the outcome of that was, as I said, he

1421
01:07:06,493 --> 01:07:09,213
Speaker 23: wanted to reserve, to go, it's or reserve. He said,

1422
01:07:09,213 --> 01:07:12,773
Speaker 23: it's something that he's back, it's an ongoing issue. Well,

1423
01:07:12,933 --> 01:07:16,573
Speaker 23: then I'm going to shoe. Two weeks later, first he

1424
01:07:16,653 --> 01:07:18,293
Speaker 23: had an ulcer from the wound.

1425
01:07:19,493 --> 01:07:19,773
Speaker 20: M h.

1426
01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:24,693
Speaker 23: And yeah, of those that know me that may be listening, yes,

1427
01:07:24,853 --> 01:07:27,413
Speaker 23: I have a temper. And I threw a temper tantrum

1428
01:07:27,493 --> 01:07:27,693
Speaker 23: like you.

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01:07:27,653 --> 01:07:28,653
Speaker 13: Wouldn't believed on.

1430
01:07:30,653 --> 01:07:31,693
Speaker 4: You you sound bolshie.

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01:07:32,093 --> 01:07:35,613
Speaker 23: Every every patience to needs an advocate, and I made

1432
01:07:35,653 --> 01:07:38,053
Speaker 23: sure I was always there for him. Because I knew

1433
01:07:38,093 --> 01:07:41,533
Speaker 23: that he had did have major issues with some drugs.

1434
01:07:42,053 --> 01:07:43,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thank you so much for your call.

1435
01:07:43,693 --> 01:07:46,173
Speaker 6: And you know, lucky to get caught on.

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01:07:46,853 --> 01:07:49,413
Speaker 23: For those who get caught on trem doll, I would

1437
01:07:49,493 --> 01:07:51,933
Speaker 23: question the doctor that keeps describing it.

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01:07:52,653 --> 01:07:57,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good on you for ringing sharing that story.

1439
01:07:57,533 --> 01:07:59,573
Speaker 2: And also it sounds like you were a great partner

1440
01:07:59,613 --> 01:08:01,773
Speaker 2: to your husband was around, so he was very lucky.

1441
01:08:01,933 --> 01:08:03,093
Speaker 3: He was very lucky to have you.

1442
01:08:04,373 --> 01:08:09,813
Speaker 2: This is interesting, high fellas uh Is Steaster. I've got

1443
01:08:09,853 --> 01:08:13,773
Speaker 2: a mate who's pretty serious lawn bowler. His pre tornament

1444
01:08:14,013 --> 01:08:17,813
Speaker 2: premp his pre tournament prep is two to three tremadoles

1445
01:08:18,372 --> 01:08:24,973
Speaker 2: a can of live plus energy drink. He swears by it,

1446
01:08:25,013 --> 01:08:28,213
Speaker 2: and he's a rep pler regards seven. So it is

1447
01:08:28,452 --> 01:08:29,972
Speaker 2: because I was asking before I was at a performance

1448
01:08:30,093 --> 01:08:34,572
Speaker 2: advouncing Drake, I suppose the lawn bowl.

1449
01:08:34,652 --> 01:08:35,852
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not I.

1450
01:08:35,853 --> 01:08:37,972
Speaker 2: Don't mention tramodol from my experience, and it would help

1451
01:08:38,013 --> 01:08:42,732
Speaker 2: pure reflex time. You know, I don't think it would

1452
01:08:42,772 --> 01:08:44,972
Speaker 2: help that, but it would definitely calm your nerves because

1453
01:08:45,013 --> 01:08:47,012
Speaker 2: my experience on it is you do not care about anything,

1454
01:08:47,652 --> 01:08:48,132
Speaker 2: just you're.

1455
01:08:48,093 --> 01:08:51,573
Speaker 3: Very chill and happy. Although some people are saying.

1456
01:08:53,013 --> 01:08:53,053
Speaker 18: This.

1457
01:08:53,253 --> 01:08:56,172
Speaker 2: Peter said, my wife was prescribed tramadol after a shoulder replacement.

1458
01:08:56,412 --> 01:08:59,053
Speaker 2: I noticed a change in her. She became angry and

1459
01:08:59,173 --> 01:09:01,692
Speaker 2: accused me of hiding money and having an affair, none

1460
01:09:01,692 --> 01:09:03,652
Speaker 2: of which was true. I took her pools off her

1461
01:09:03,732 --> 01:09:07,253
Speaker 2: and the change was almost incident, instant. She became a

1462
01:09:07,293 --> 01:09:09,732
Speaker 2: different person. It was almost fifteen years ago, and yes

1463
01:09:09,853 --> 01:09:10,732
Speaker 2: we are still together.

1464
01:09:11,412 --> 01:09:14,253
Speaker 4: So what a crazy drug? So one person becomes a

1465
01:09:14,333 --> 01:09:17,253
Speaker 4: legendary loawn bowler and the other person loses their might.

1466
01:09:17,532 --> 01:09:20,732
Speaker 2: And Vonn's husband becomes stiff as a boared in some

1467
01:09:20,893 --> 01:09:22,852
Speaker 2: kind of paranormal activity type situation.

1468
01:09:23,053 --> 01:09:25,452
Speaker 3: So there's varied responses to the stroke.

1469
01:09:25,572 --> 01:09:28,932
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, keen on your experiences if you've been prescribed tramadol.

1470
01:09:29,013 --> 01:09:29,572
Speaker 3: What happened?

1471
01:09:30,093 --> 01:09:31,692
Speaker 4: Eight hundred and eighty ten, eighties and number to call

1472
01:09:31,772 --> 01:09:32,612
Speaker 4: seventy to three.

1473
01:09:33,372 --> 01:09:35,812
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1474
01:09:35,853 --> 01:09:39,772
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

1475
01:09:39,772 --> 01:09:42,492
Speaker 4: They'd be for a good afternoon. Juitor is a quarter

1476
01:09:42,572 --> 01:09:46,012
Speaker 4: to three. Plenty of texts coming through about people on tramadol,

1477
01:09:46,133 --> 01:09:48,133
Speaker 4: some good and some very much not.

1478
01:09:48,333 --> 01:09:48,532
Speaker 23: Good.

1479
01:09:49,452 --> 01:09:53,412
Speaker 4: This one says, guys, I had a shoulder reconstruction on tramadol,

1480
01:09:53,572 --> 01:09:59,412
Speaker 4: and I have fantastic dreams always. It's good stuff, nothing

1481
01:09:59,492 --> 01:10:00,133
Speaker 4: wrong with it.

1482
01:10:00,893 --> 01:10:03,293
Speaker 2: You do have crazily good dreams on well, no, some

1483
01:10:03,333 --> 01:10:06,732
Speaker 2: people have had horrific nightmas. Yeah, it's very but it's

1484
01:10:06,772 --> 01:10:08,812
Speaker 2: a weird kind of sleep. You never quite sleep. I

1485
01:10:08,853 --> 01:10:11,333
Speaker 2: don't know there's levels of sleep, right, so I don't think.

1486
01:10:11,572 --> 01:10:13,492
Speaker 2: I feel like with the tramadol you never kind of

1487
01:10:13,572 --> 01:10:17,053
Speaker 2: hit the rapid eye movement or the deep sleep.

1488
01:10:16,973 --> 01:10:19,372
Speaker 3: Right You kind of it's kind of like a it's weird.

1489
01:10:19,412 --> 01:10:22,253
Speaker 2: You kind of surf above sleep, and it's a type

1490
01:10:22,253 --> 01:10:24,612
Speaker 2: of sleep that I've never had in my life. You're

1491
01:10:24,692 --> 01:10:27,012
Speaker 2: kind of happy though, You're not stressed out about not sleeping.

1492
01:10:27,053 --> 01:10:28,772
Speaker 3: You're just sort of quite cool with it.

1493
01:10:28,893 --> 01:10:31,452
Speaker 4: Do you remember the I mean maybe dreams is the

1494
01:10:31,492 --> 01:10:33,213
Speaker 4: wrong word, but do you remember what you were thinking

1495
01:10:33,213 --> 01:10:35,452
Speaker 4: about when you're in that kind of state.

1496
01:10:35,692 --> 01:10:36,852
Speaker 3: I don't remember that state.

1497
01:10:36,973 --> 01:10:38,852
Speaker 2: As someone said before, it was like there, how I

1498
01:10:38,933 --> 01:10:41,492
Speaker 2: was describing it was like the Adams Sandler movie Click,

1499
01:10:41,893 --> 01:10:44,093
Speaker 2: where I just jumped a year of my life when

1500
01:10:44,133 --> 01:10:46,972
Speaker 2: I was on that stuff really hard. Yeah, I see

1501
01:10:47,013 --> 01:10:49,293
Speaker 2: these pictures of my son at that time, and I'm

1502
01:10:49,333 --> 01:10:51,572
Speaker 2: like with me, and I'm like, I don't remember that. Yeah,

1503
01:10:51,692 --> 01:10:52,253
Speaker 2: I don't remember that.

1504
01:10:52,333 --> 01:10:52,892
Speaker 4: It was the guy.

1505
01:10:52,933 --> 01:10:53,173
Speaker 3: I mean.

1506
01:10:54,253 --> 01:10:57,492
Speaker 4: The concerning thing is I was still broadcasting a radio

1507
01:10:57,572 --> 01:11:02,773
Speaker 4: show every day. Yeah, no memory of a functioning Richard's

1508
01:11:02,973 --> 01:11:06,333
Speaker 4: how are you hey, Richard?

1509
01:11:07,173 --> 01:11:08,692
Speaker 19: Yes, I'm here mate.

1510
01:11:08,732 --> 01:11:11,732
Speaker 4: Now what's your experience with tramadol? By the sounds of it,

1511
01:11:11,933 --> 01:11:12,732
Speaker 4: it wasn't so good.

1512
01:11:14,572 --> 01:11:17,932
Speaker 19: No, it wasn't so good. It was actually oxy content,

1513
01:11:19,173 --> 01:11:23,852
Speaker 19: which is an opioid anyway, as you probably know. But

1514
01:11:24,053 --> 01:11:33,253
Speaker 19: mine started off through medical medical misadventure, which then transpired

1515
01:11:33,452 --> 01:11:39,133
Speaker 19: to be an unexpected outcome according to my GP. Okay,

1516
01:11:39,333 --> 01:11:43,973
Speaker 19: and you suggested that I filed for ACC What.

1517
01:11:44,133 --> 01:11:46,772
Speaker 3: Was the medical What was the medical misadventure if you

1518
01:11:46,853 --> 01:11:51,572
Speaker 3: don't mind sharing, right? A biopsy that went.

1519
01:11:51,532 --> 01:11:56,813
Speaker 14: Wrong, A biopsy that had flowers of nerves okay, okay.

1520
01:11:56,933 --> 01:11:59,452
Speaker 19: Causing chronic original pain syndrome.

1521
01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:00,852
Speaker 3: Wow, that's unfortunate.

1522
01:12:02,173 --> 01:12:02,412
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1523
01:12:02,612 --> 01:12:09,812
Speaker 19: At that stage, I had already resigned from my own

1524
01:12:09,973 --> 01:12:15,852
Speaker 19: company because I felt I was a liability to everyone,

1525
01:12:17,572 --> 01:12:18,932
Speaker 19: including the port company.

1526
01:12:19,893 --> 01:12:21,813
Speaker 3: Do you do the pain that you're experiencing?

1527
01:12:22,612 --> 01:12:29,012
Speaker 19: Yes? Yes, yes, And by that stage, I had seen

1528
01:12:30,612 --> 01:12:40,093
Speaker 19: a pain specialist who was arregistered an ethicist doctor. Now

1529
01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:43,893
Speaker 19: I was suspicious of this guy from the get go. Anyhow,

1530
01:12:44,173 --> 01:12:53,132
Speaker 19: he prescribed oxycontum No, he didn't describe prescribe it. Originally,

1531
01:12:53,692 --> 01:12:58,612
Speaker 19: he carried a rather large leather doctor's bag and he

1532
01:12:58,732 --> 01:13:02,293
Speaker 19: gave me these pills and that's what aroused my suspicion

1533
01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:12,173
Speaker 19: because they were all off label. It's away, yeah, very big.

1534
01:13:13,372 --> 01:13:16,812
Speaker 19: But anyhow, I went back to him, this is under

1535
01:13:16,853 --> 01:13:22,213
Speaker 19: ACC supervision because he was an ACC pain specialist, and thought, oh, well,

1536
01:13:22,293 --> 01:13:25,653
Speaker 19: what the hell do I know? And then he prescribed

1537
01:13:25,732 --> 01:13:33,132
Speaker 19: oxy content. Now, whatever anyone does, don't touch for stuff

1538
01:13:33,893 --> 01:13:38,213
Speaker 19: unless you're under twenty four hour medical supervision. Don't take

1539
01:13:38,293 --> 01:13:44,333
Speaker 19: the stuff home because it will wreck your life, literally,

1540
01:13:45,293 --> 01:13:50,173
Speaker 19: your marriage and kids' relationships, the whole thing. Anyhows on

1541
01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:56,213
Speaker 19: the stuff five years and then my GP said, hey, look,

1542
01:13:58,572 --> 01:14:03,293
Speaker 19: your health is going downhill rapidly, and I predicted the

1543
01:14:04,253 --> 01:14:09,692
Speaker 19: oxy con. He said, there is own solution, he said.

1544
01:14:09,732 --> 01:14:13,093
Speaker 19: I said, it's really beyond me. But I had a

1545
01:14:13,612 --> 01:14:20,372
Speaker 19: friend that I went through medical school with and he

1546
01:14:20,893 --> 01:14:26,213
Speaker 19: is a clinical psychiatrist. Anyhow, he got me into him

1547
01:14:26,933 --> 01:14:29,492
Speaker 19: and he was in Auckland, and there was no way

1548
01:14:29,492 --> 01:14:31,093
Speaker 19: I was going to drive up. So I flew up

1549
01:14:31,093 --> 01:14:33,093
Speaker 19: and took a technic from the airport to his tread

1550
01:14:33,853 --> 01:14:37,572
Speaker 19: and he was horrified. At the time, I've been on

1551
01:14:37,973 --> 01:14:52,293
Speaker 19: oxy content and he prescribed alternative medication and it took

1552
01:14:52,372 --> 01:14:55,532
Speaker 19: two weeks for me to forget about the oxy content.

1553
01:14:56,612 --> 01:15:03,333
Speaker 19: And I still take some of the tablets for pain relief.

1554
01:15:04,572 --> 01:15:08,612
Speaker 19: Now he said to me, look, Richard, the chronic original

1555
01:15:08,732 --> 01:15:16,372
Speaker 19: pain syndrome will disappear. And that has disappeared. But to

1556
01:15:16,732 --> 01:15:21,932
Speaker 19: what really rubbed salt into a wound was I had

1557
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:28,532
Speaker 19: a ahe a text from my ex wife because it

1558
01:15:28,692 --> 01:15:32,012
Speaker 19: was enough to bring up a marriage, and she said,

1559
01:15:32,093 --> 01:15:36,213
Speaker 19: do you wize this? I won't mention his name only

1560
01:15:36,253 --> 01:15:42,893
Speaker 19: for liability reason be registered. Now I said, yes, I do,

1561
01:15:43,692 --> 01:15:48,372
Speaker 19: because I got hold of the medical association. She said, well,

1562
01:15:48,412 --> 01:15:54,093
Speaker 19: he's now doing podcasts and he's written two books and

1563
01:15:55,772 --> 01:16:04,652
Speaker 19: has admitted that he is reformed addict.

1564
01:16:05,772 --> 01:16:08,892
Speaker 4: It sounds like you went through absolute hell and their journey.

1565
01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:13,372
Speaker 4: I mean some doctor who's now a podcast host saying

1566
01:16:13,372 --> 01:16:15,812
Speaker 4: they are reformed drug addict themselves. I mean, there's a

1567
01:16:15,853 --> 01:16:17,452
Speaker 4: lot of elements in that story. There's a lot in

1568
01:16:17,532 --> 01:16:20,093
Speaker 4: that story. Yeah, thank you for sharing, Richard. Hopefully you're

1569
01:16:20,133 --> 01:16:22,772
Speaker 4: better now as well. Unpack it during the ad break, Yeah,

1570
01:16:22,853 --> 01:16:25,772
Speaker 4: it has eight to three back in the moth, the.

1571
01:16:25,853 --> 01:16:28,412
Speaker 6: Issues that affect you, and a bit of fun along

1572
01:16:28,452 --> 01:16:28,732
Speaker 6: the way.

1573
01:16:29,013 --> 01:16:33,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons NEWSTALKSBB.

1574
01:16:33,133 --> 01:16:37,652
Speaker 4: News talks abb it is five to three. So many

1575
01:16:37,732 --> 01:16:40,213
Speaker 4: techs have come through over the last couple of hours.

1576
01:16:41,452 --> 01:16:44,293
Speaker 4: This one says, guys, I got prescribed two hundred and

1577
01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:47,372
Speaker 4: forty tramis once for all recovery of a surgery. Didn't

1578
01:16:47,412 --> 01:16:50,253
Speaker 4: take them because the pain wasn't anything a dooby couldn't fix.

1579
01:16:50,652 --> 01:16:55,293
Speaker 4: Good on you and this one, guys, we've just seen

1580
01:16:55,333 --> 01:16:59,213
Speaker 4: our mate's life destroyed by oxy that was also via

1581
01:16:59,333 --> 01:17:02,452
Speaker 4: acc after an accident. It is dangerous stuff.

1582
01:17:03,973 --> 01:17:07,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, so much stuff here, so much stuff coming through.

1583
01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 2: I got guys, I was prescribed tramadola for fracturing my

1584
01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:12,732
Speaker 2: back years ago. I temporarily lost my voice, tongue with

1585
01:17:12,772 --> 01:17:16,652
Speaker 2: swollen just about lost my life. Love your show, Susie. Well,

1586
01:17:16,692 --> 01:17:19,692
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're okay, Susie. After that, that sounds pretty

1587
01:17:19,732 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 2: full on. This text says it's interesting that you seem

1588
01:17:22,412 --> 01:17:24,093
Speaker 2: to be getting most of the bad side effects of

1589
01:17:24,093 --> 01:17:27,293
Speaker 2: Tramadol's showing up on your show today. And fortunately, I

1590
01:17:27,412 --> 01:17:31,652
Speaker 2: have taken travidole for many years and very varying levels,

1591
01:17:31,973 --> 01:17:34,572
Speaker 2: so that unfortunately I've sort of there's no punctuation there.

1592
01:17:35,293 --> 01:17:37,372
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately that we're getting these calls, is what you say.

1593
01:17:37,532 --> 01:17:40,452
Speaker 2: I've taken tramadol for many years and varying levels for

1594
01:17:40,612 --> 01:17:43,253
Speaker 2: varying industries, and I'm currently on a strong dose following

1595
01:17:43,293 --> 01:17:46,532
Speaker 2: shoulder surgery. I have never experienced anything other than pain

1596
01:17:46,612 --> 01:17:49,293
Speaker 2: reduction using their product. I've always found it to be

1597
01:17:49,492 --> 01:17:52,412
Speaker 2: an extremely good pain medication. That said, my wife has

1598
01:17:53,532 --> 01:17:56,253
Speaker 2: one experience of the tramadole. She spun out completely and

1599
01:17:56,372 --> 01:17:59,213
Speaker 2: would never take it again after she saw strange creatures

1600
01:17:59,253 --> 01:18:01,532
Speaker 2: coming out of the walls. It would be nice if

1601
01:18:01,572 --> 01:18:04,372
Speaker 2: we were hearing a more balanced review from those that

1602
01:18:04,532 --> 01:18:05,252
Speaker 2: have a strong.

1603
01:18:05,053 --> 01:18:05,933
Speaker 3: Success story with it.

1604
01:18:06,372 --> 01:18:08,692
Speaker 2: As much as I've used it for many years in

1605
01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:10,852
Speaker 2: the warmer months of the year, I have absolutely no

1606
01:18:10,933 --> 01:18:15,293
Speaker 2: difficulties stopping taking the product with no air parent addiction

1607
01:18:15,612 --> 01:18:16,372
Speaker 2: side effects.

1608
01:18:16,652 --> 01:18:18,972
Speaker 4: Good show boys, will there you go? Mister balance view

1609
01:18:19,053 --> 01:18:21,412
Speaker 4: came through from you Craig, there's the positive one. What

1610
01:18:21,532 --> 01:18:24,892
Speaker 4: a fascinating chat. I mean, all sorts of experiences with dramadol,

1611
01:18:25,293 --> 01:18:27,053
Speaker 4: but it's certainly popular, no doubt about it.

1612
01:18:27,213 --> 01:18:27,372
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1613
01:18:27,452 --> 01:18:29,053
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. When you're on it and

1614
01:18:29,093 --> 01:18:31,412
Speaker 3: you're trying to sleep, you feel very cozy in your bed.

1615
01:18:31,572 --> 01:18:35,053
Speaker 4: Yes, certainly too. Right, coming up after three o'clock, let's

1616
01:18:35,093 --> 01:18:37,972
Speaker 4: have a chat about firewoods. I am in the hunt

1617
01:18:38,013 --> 01:18:39,852
Speaker 4: for some firewood, but appears to be the wild West

1618
01:18:39,893 --> 01:18:41,013
Speaker 4: out there, so let's get into it.

1619
01:18:43,692 --> 01:18:47,972
Speaker 1: Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1620
01:18:48,213 --> 01:18:51,492
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1621
01:18:51,412 --> 01:18:55,093
Speaker 4: Savvy for a good afternoon. It is seven past three.

1622
01:18:55,173 --> 01:18:57,133
Speaker 4: Really good air of your company is always hope you're

1623
01:18:57,133 --> 01:18:59,452
Speaker 4: having a good Thursday afternoon. This is going to be

1624
01:18:59,492 --> 01:19:01,253
Speaker 4: a good discussion. We want to talk about firewood and

1625
01:19:01,372 --> 01:19:04,572
Speaker 4: fire places. So I've said it many times before and

1626
01:19:04,612 --> 01:19:06,532
Speaker 4: I'll say again. We just moved into this new place

1627
01:19:06,692 --> 01:19:10,253
Speaker 4: up in Auckland and turns out got a beautiful old

1628
01:19:10,412 --> 01:19:14,372
Speaker 4: existing fireplace and it is lovely. It's lovely. But when

1629
01:19:14,372 --> 01:19:17,492
Speaker 4: I moved in there, they kind of had those little

1630
01:19:17,532 --> 01:19:19,892
Speaker 4: wood bricks you can buy from Bunning stacked in there,

1631
01:19:20,293 --> 01:19:21,772
Speaker 4: and when we got and I thought, that's just a

1632
01:19:21,812 --> 01:19:23,972
Speaker 4: show piece. So I probably blocked up the chimney because,

1633
01:19:24,013 --> 01:19:26,372
Speaker 4: as I understood it, a lot of the fireplaces you

1634
01:19:26,412 --> 01:19:29,372
Speaker 4: couldn't use anymore. Then Rang the landlords said go for gold.

1635
01:19:29,452 --> 01:19:31,652
Speaker 4: So I was a happy boy. So I've gone down

1636
01:19:31,692 --> 01:19:34,293
Speaker 4: the quagmire of trying to figure out who can deliver

1637
01:19:34,372 --> 01:19:36,492
Speaker 4: me some firewood? What kind of firewood I need? There's

1638
01:19:36,492 --> 01:19:38,492
Speaker 4: a lot of options out there. Am I getting a

1639
01:19:38,532 --> 01:19:39,772
Speaker 4: good price? Pretty expensive?

1640
01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:40,692
Speaker 3: Pretty expensive?

1641
01:19:40,732 --> 01:19:43,532
Speaker 4: The old firewood? What are you trying to get, Cody, Well,

1642
01:19:43,612 --> 01:19:46,532
Speaker 4: that's the question. I just thought it was fine, Yeah,

1643
01:19:46,572 --> 01:19:49,852
Speaker 4: well you can get oak. Someone was selling oak that

1644
01:19:49,933 --> 01:19:51,412
Speaker 4: will burn all week a piece of oak.

1645
01:19:51,652 --> 01:19:53,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, macrocarpa.

1646
01:19:53,372 --> 01:19:57,333
Speaker 2: But anyway, so that's interesting, So because I've just just assumed,

1647
01:19:57,572 --> 01:20:00,053
Speaker 2: and surely it's different across the country. But you know,

1648
01:20:00,372 --> 01:20:02,972
Speaker 2: the greatest smell in the world and the greatest experience

1649
01:20:03,013 --> 01:20:05,053
Speaker 2: in the world is a proper wood fire, right.

1650
01:20:05,213 --> 01:20:05,412
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1651
01:20:05,732 --> 01:20:08,652
Speaker 2: And growing up into Neden, I'd be walking home from

1652
01:20:08,692 --> 01:20:12,333
Speaker 2: footy practice and just that smell of all the chimneys

1653
01:20:12,692 --> 01:20:13,333
Speaker 2: firing out.

1654
01:20:13,452 --> 01:20:15,892
Speaker 3: I think it was even coal back then, beautiful smell lovely.

1655
01:20:16,173 --> 01:20:18,333
Speaker 3: But people don't like burning coal. But of course some

1656
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:21,412
Speaker 3: burning wood is sustainable. Yes, So I'm a bunch of

1657
01:20:21,412 --> 01:20:24,293
Speaker 3: people texting before saying, oh, you're destroying the environment with

1658
01:20:24,372 --> 01:20:26,372
Speaker 3: your bloody would burn a tiler? No, that's not true.

1659
01:20:26,372 --> 01:20:28,892
Speaker 2: If it's neutral, if it's above if you burn something

1660
01:20:28,933 --> 01:20:31,652
Speaker 2: that's already from above the ground, then you're neutral.

1661
01:20:31,772 --> 01:20:31,972
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1662
01:20:32,333 --> 01:20:33,852
Speaker 3: That's why dairy farmers are sweet ass.

1663
01:20:33,973 --> 01:20:36,452
Speaker 2: Don't listen to anyone says they're not, because the stuff

1664
01:20:36,492 --> 01:20:39,333
Speaker 2: they're doing is above the ground. The fossil fuels are

1665
01:20:39,333 --> 01:20:41,452
Speaker 2: the ones that come from under the ground, right, and

1666
01:20:41,532 --> 01:20:46,812
Speaker 2: they unleash the carbon from other eras. Anyway, heard this,

1667
01:20:47,612 --> 01:20:51,053
Speaker 2: and I'm so jealous because I don't think you can

1668
01:20:51,093 --> 01:20:52,532
Speaker 2: put a new one in your house, now, can you.

1669
01:20:52,612 --> 01:20:56,213
Speaker 2: It just it has to have been grandfathered in. Yeah,

1670
01:20:56,853 --> 01:21:00,013
Speaker 2: but apart from that or any other regulations. So what

1671
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:02,772
Speaker 2: I'm doing, well, yeah, that's what we want to discuss.

1672
01:21:02,772 --> 01:21:04,012
Speaker 2: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1673
01:21:04,013 --> 01:21:06,652
Speaker 4: If you're in the firewood game, I generally was surprised

1674
01:21:06,652 --> 01:21:08,452
Speaker 4: when I thought I thought you'd just go to the

1675
01:21:08,492 --> 01:21:11,053
Speaker 4: old place with firewood and you get your quarter wood.

1676
01:21:11,093 --> 01:21:12,452
Speaker 4: I don't know how much that is. But it was

1677
01:21:12,452 --> 01:21:14,492
Speaker 4: always a quarter wood when.

1678
01:21:14,133 --> 01:21:17,172
Speaker 3: I was quarter is a quarter ton, isn't it? I imagine?

1679
01:21:17,973 --> 01:21:21,013
Speaker 4: Is it a court like a quarter Is that what

1680
01:21:21,133 --> 01:21:23,372
Speaker 4: it is? I thought it was like cord, like you know,

1681
01:21:23,612 --> 01:21:25,333
Speaker 4: corduroy pants. I always thought it was a cord.

1682
01:21:25,412 --> 01:21:26,732
Speaker 3: I always assumed it was a court.

1683
01:21:28,133 --> 01:21:29,812
Speaker 4: I think you're right. Have I been saying cord all

1684
01:21:29,853 --> 01:21:31,412
Speaker 4: this time? Why don't you guys creek me when I

1685
01:21:31,492 --> 01:21:34,293
Speaker 4: raised this to a little bit earlier. Get yourself some

1686
01:21:34,692 --> 01:21:35,653
Speaker 4: hard remoo.

1687
01:21:37,053 --> 01:21:38,333
Speaker 3: In the strong Man coal mix.

1688
01:21:38,452 --> 01:21:41,372
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, can't have a chat with you one

1689
01:21:41,412 --> 01:21:41,812
Speaker 4: hundred eight.

1690
01:21:42,452 --> 01:21:44,333
Speaker 2: Who is the people out someone out there must know

1691
01:21:44,452 --> 01:21:46,532
Speaker 2: if I build a new house, well, I'm just moving

1692
01:21:46,572 --> 01:21:48,013
Speaker 2: into a new house, do I and I want to

1693
01:21:48,013 --> 01:21:52,173
Speaker 2: put a fire wood fireplace in there? I live in

1694
01:21:52,372 --> 01:21:53,893
Speaker 2: Central Auckland, And am I allowed to do that?

1695
01:21:55,213 --> 01:21:55,372
Speaker 18: You know?

1696
01:21:56,612 --> 01:21:58,253
Speaker 3: Or does it have to be there already?

1697
01:21:58,412 --> 01:21:58,612
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1698
01:21:58,652 --> 01:22:00,173
Speaker 3: What about if I cut it out of another house

1699
01:22:00,213 --> 01:22:01,772
Speaker 3: and just carry the whole thing in the chimney around

1700
01:22:01,812 --> 01:22:02,412
Speaker 3: and put it in there.

1701
01:22:02,412 --> 01:22:04,692
Speaker 2: What are the regulations? Because there's nothing better in the

1702
01:22:04,732 --> 01:22:06,532
Speaker 2: world than a burning wood fire.

1703
01:22:06,612 --> 01:22:08,732
Speaker 4: They're amazing, amazing to even your house. So if you've

1704
01:22:08,772 --> 01:22:10,932
Speaker 4: done this, and you know the rules and regulations eight

1705
01:22:11,053 --> 01:22:13,173
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think they're different around

1706
01:22:13,213 --> 01:22:13,612
Speaker 4: the country.

1707
01:22:13,812 --> 01:22:17,612
Speaker 2: I've been trying to understand them, yeah, all afternoon, and

1708
01:22:17,853 --> 01:22:20,732
Speaker 2: maybe I'm stupid or something, but I'm struggling to get

1709
01:22:20,732 --> 01:22:22,893
Speaker 2: my head around there. There's something about two hectares and

1710
01:22:23,452 --> 01:22:25,492
Speaker 2: smaller than that, and what you're allowed to burn and

1711
01:22:25,532 --> 01:22:28,053
Speaker 2: what kind of fire situation and is it a pizza oven.

1712
01:22:28,093 --> 01:22:29,173
Speaker 2: It's all very confusing for me.

1713
01:22:29,372 --> 01:22:31,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, so give us cool o eight hundred eighty ten

1714
01:22:31,692 --> 01:22:33,333
Speaker 4: eighty if you want to see into text through plenty

1715
01:22:33,372 --> 01:22:35,692
Speaker 4: of ticks coming through already, nine to nine to two.

1716
01:22:36,572 --> 01:22:39,013
Speaker 4: What are the regulations and the rules that you need

1717
01:22:39,053 --> 01:22:40,492
Speaker 4: to buy by if you want to put in a

1718
01:22:40,572 --> 01:22:42,333
Speaker 4: good old fashioned fire?

1719
01:22:42,692 --> 01:22:44,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look what kind of fire are you running?

1720
01:22:44,572 --> 01:22:47,572
Speaker 2: Because we're happy to just chat about fireplaces because they

1721
01:22:48,173 --> 01:22:49,572
Speaker 2: Tyler and I get very excited about them.

1722
01:22:49,692 --> 01:22:50,492
Speaker 4: Absolutely nothing.

1723
01:22:50,532 --> 01:22:52,452
Speaker 3: As I've said before the show before, I'll just put

1724
01:22:52,492 --> 01:22:55,532
Speaker 3: a YouTube channel of a live streaming of a fire

1725
01:22:55,572 --> 01:22:57,692
Speaker 3: burning in my house just to get that fire bus.

1726
01:22:58,133 --> 01:23:00,133
Speaker 3: And what is the best fireplace if you are going

1727
01:23:00,173 --> 01:23:01,812
Speaker 3: to put them in? If you can put them in?

1728
01:23:01,933 --> 01:23:04,053
Speaker 2: Because there's those ones that are sealed and stuff that

1729
01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:05,812
Speaker 2: sit in the middle of the room. And what is

1730
01:23:05,853 --> 01:23:08,053
Speaker 2: the best type of wood? And yeah, I mean, is

1731
01:23:08,053 --> 01:23:10,293
Speaker 2: there any better than a fire to make you feel

1732
01:23:10,452 --> 01:23:11,133
Speaker 2: super cozy?

1733
01:23:11,333 --> 01:23:11,652
Speaker 18: So good?

1734
01:23:11,732 --> 01:23:15,293
Speaker 4: Prehistorical love it right? It is eleven past three. The

1735
01:23:15,372 --> 01:23:17,093
Speaker 4: phone lines have lit up. If you can't get through,

1736
01:23:17,173 --> 01:23:20,293
Speaker 4: keep trying back in a moment. Is talks'd be good

1737
01:23:20,293 --> 01:23:21,972
Speaker 4: afternoon to you. It's fourteen past three.

1738
01:23:22,293 --> 01:23:23,852
Speaker 3: Matt, you absolute muppet.

1739
01:23:23,893 --> 01:23:26,133
Speaker 2: A chord is a measure of volume of dry wood

1740
01:23:26,213 --> 01:23:30,012
Speaker 2: equal to one hundred and twenty eight cubic meters. Matthew,

1741
01:23:30,133 --> 01:23:33,333
Speaker 2: you loser. One cord is equal to three point six

1742
01:23:33,572 --> 01:23:37,612
Speaker 2: cubic meters of wood. Most sell per cubic meter these days. Sorry,

1743
01:23:37,652 --> 01:23:38,932
Speaker 2: Matt Tyler is correct.

1744
01:23:39,013 --> 01:23:40,812
Speaker 4: It's not a court. It's a cord of wood.

1745
01:23:41,452 --> 01:23:43,852
Speaker 3: You're a moron, Matt. Cord is a measure of wood,

1746
01:23:44,173 --> 01:23:46,372
Speaker 3: you silly buggers. It's a cord of wood. There's so

1747
01:23:46,412 --> 01:23:47,732
Speaker 3: many text comings.

1748
01:23:47,452 --> 01:23:49,213
Speaker 4: A lot of anger about cord or court.

1749
01:23:49,492 --> 01:23:51,732
Speaker 2: I think I'm one of those boos. I've been hoisted

1750
01:23:51,812 --> 01:23:53,213
Speaker 2: on my own potada. I'm not sure if that's the

1751
01:23:53,293 --> 01:23:55,372
Speaker 2: right saying for it, but I'm going to you, Tyler,

1752
01:23:55,732 --> 01:23:58,412
Speaker 2: you're idiot. It's a court of wood, not a cord

1753
01:23:58,452 --> 01:24:00,692
Speaker 2: of wood. And it turns out it's not you that's

1754
01:24:00,732 --> 01:24:02,052
Speaker 2: the idiot. It's me that's the idiot.

1755
01:24:02,093 --> 01:24:04,012
Speaker 4: And to be fair, when you see court, that made

1756
01:24:04,452 --> 01:24:05,053
Speaker 4: way more sense.

1757
01:24:05,532 --> 01:24:07,452
Speaker 2: I always thought it was a quarter ton, yeah, because

1758
01:24:07,532 --> 01:24:09,852
Speaker 2: I was never in the buying of the wood when

1759
01:24:09,853 --> 01:24:10,293
Speaker 2: I was a kid.

1760
01:24:10,333 --> 01:24:12,572
Speaker 3: I was just involved in the chopping it.

1761
01:24:12,732 --> 01:24:14,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, get out and chop some firewood, which, by the way,

1762
01:24:15,372 --> 01:24:18,133
Speaker 2: as I said before, is the greatest of all the chores.

1763
01:24:18,333 --> 01:24:20,572
Speaker 4: That does a great job. Fantastic being sent out to

1764
01:24:20,612 --> 01:24:21,572
Speaker 4: chop the firewood.

1765
01:24:21,652 --> 01:24:22,333
Speaker 3: Yep, greatest.

1766
01:24:22,412 --> 01:24:25,492
Speaker 2: It's there's nothing more satisfying, especially as you get older

1767
01:24:25,492 --> 01:24:27,172
Speaker 2: and you get a bit stronger and you get better.

1768
01:24:27,013 --> 01:24:28,372
Speaker 4: At it, and it's just if you get it in

1769
01:24:28,412 --> 01:24:29,692
Speaker 4: one hate.

1770
01:24:33,452 --> 01:24:35,413
Speaker 3: Once the firewood's finally dried.

1771
01:24:36,253 --> 01:24:38,652
Speaker 4: And then you watch that piece burn, yeah, and.

1772
01:24:38,732 --> 01:24:42,173
Speaker 3: You carry it into the lounge and the basket like

1773
01:24:42,253 --> 01:24:43,093
Speaker 3: an absolute hero.

1774
01:24:44,572 --> 01:24:45,053
Speaker 4: Good time.

1775
01:24:45,133 --> 01:24:46,692
Speaker 2: It's the best of the best. But it turns out

1776
01:24:46,692 --> 01:24:49,333
Speaker 2: it's a cord and not a court. Like I thought, Hey, Troy,

1777
01:24:49,412 --> 01:24:52,293
Speaker 2: welcome to the show. You put in a fireplace recently.

1778
01:24:53,973 --> 01:24:56,652
Speaker 17: And me and the wife put one in a couple

1779
01:24:56,692 --> 01:24:57,133
Speaker 17: of months ago.

1780
01:24:57,213 --> 01:24:59,292
Speaker 4: Yeah, whereabouts you live, Troy.

1781
01:25:00,772 --> 01:25:02,452
Speaker 17: F Burden, Burden, good bye.

1782
01:25:02,652 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 3: And so what are the regulations down there?

1783
01:25:06,093 --> 01:25:09,452
Speaker 27: Oh, it was pretty easy, actually, we just we had

1784
01:25:09,492 --> 01:25:12,933
Speaker 27: the developers, you know. They they they actually said it

1785
01:25:13,013 --> 01:25:14,572
Speaker 27: was a good idea to do it in the first place,

1786
01:25:14,692 --> 01:25:17,692
Speaker 27: and and then they kind of put it in all

1787
01:25:17,732 --> 01:25:21,372
Speaker 27: the specs of their house and there's no issues really,

1788
01:25:21,532 --> 01:25:24,452
Speaker 27: just kind of in the process of getting.

1789
01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:24,812
Speaker 17: The house built.

1790
01:25:25,293 --> 01:25:27,612
Speaker 3: And is that an open wood fire or is it

1791
01:25:27,652 --> 01:25:29,612
Speaker 3: a wood burner kind of situation? Troy?

1792
01:25:30,933 --> 01:25:31,492
Speaker 17: Open wood?

1793
01:25:31,572 --> 01:25:32,732
Speaker 4: Open wood? All right?

1794
01:25:33,093 --> 01:25:34,972
Speaker 3: How cool? What kind of size are we talking?

1795
01:25:36,732 --> 01:25:43,052
Speaker 27: It's oh, it's probably about the size of it's about

1796
01:25:43,053 --> 01:25:44,812
Speaker 27: a twenty inches twenty inches.

1797
01:25:44,692 --> 01:25:45,892
Speaker 3: Twenty inches twenty inches.

1798
01:25:46,013 --> 01:25:48,173
Speaker 4: That's good. Yeah, all right, I mean it sounds good.

1799
01:25:48,213 --> 01:25:49,812
Speaker 4: I don't know what that means. I'm just trying to

1800
01:25:49,893 --> 01:25:53,053
Speaker 4: think of how big. Twenty inches is pretty big. And

1801
01:25:53,612 --> 01:25:55,692
Speaker 4: and so it's up and operational, Troy.

1802
01:25:57,013 --> 01:25:59,612
Speaker 17: It's it's great. It's been. It's it's got us through

1803
01:25:59,652 --> 01:26:02,412
Speaker 17: the last couple of months. It's been. It's been great.

1804
01:26:02,452 --> 01:26:05,372
Speaker 27: Where I get home from work at about two o'clock

1805
01:26:05,492 --> 01:26:08,932
Speaker 27: and I start firing it up and oh, oh my god,

1806
01:26:09,293 --> 01:26:09,812
Speaker 27: it's got.

1807
01:26:09,812 --> 01:26:10,572
Speaker 17: Us through the winter.

1808
01:26:11,492 --> 01:26:14,133
Speaker 27: You know, it's it's just about what's like minus two

1809
01:26:14,412 --> 01:26:19,492
Speaker 27: minus three some some mornings here in Ashburton. And and yeah,

1810
01:26:19,572 --> 01:26:21,812
Speaker 27: it was just I've just got it, got it cranking

1811
01:26:21,893 --> 01:26:24,972
Speaker 27: in the afternoon, and I keep it going all night, keep.

1812
01:26:24,812 --> 01:26:27,452
Speaker 17: It going overnight, and haven't had any issues.

1813
01:26:27,772 --> 01:26:31,052
Speaker 3: And do you find yourself, you and your messus steering

1814
01:26:31,133 --> 01:26:31,772
Speaker 3: into the fire.

1815
01:26:33,692 --> 01:26:33,933
Speaker 24: We do.

1816
01:26:34,093 --> 01:26:36,452
Speaker 17: We've had a few nights we're falling asleep.

1817
01:26:36,213 --> 01:26:36,732
Speaker 15: On the couch.

1818
01:26:37,452 --> 01:26:37,612
Speaker 26: You know.

1819
01:26:38,133 --> 01:26:40,852
Speaker 17: Sometimes we'll even have like, you know, we'll have a

1820
01:26:40,933 --> 01:26:44,012
Speaker 17: date night in front of a date night in front

1821
01:26:44,013 --> 01:26:44,452
Speaker 17: of the couch.

1822
01:26:44,853 --> 01:26:46,852
Speaker 2: Gets the things get amorous, Troy, if you don't mind

1823
01:26:46,893 --> 01:26:49,652
Speaker 2: me asking, it's a pretty romantic situation you're describing there.

1824
01:26:53,812 --> 01:26:58,013
Speaker 17: Heavily, and well, well you know we'll, yeah, we'll take

1825
01:26:58,013 --> 01:26:59,612
Speaker 17: the clothes off and sit in front of the fire.

1826
01:26:59,812 --> 01:27:00,092
Speaker 3: Lovely.

1827
01:27:00,732 --> 01:27:04,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is romantic and so and if you found

1828
01:27:04,213 --> 01:27:06,293
Speaker 2: it hard to get the water, is the wood easily

1829
01:27:06,333 --> 01:27:08,133
Speaker 2: available down in Ashburton?

1830
01:27:08,853 --> 01:27:09,133
Speaker 3: Love it.

1831
01:27:11,692 --> 01:27:15,132
Speaker 27: On every on every corner, there's there's some bloke selling

1832
01:27:16,253 --> 01:27:17,812
Speaker 27: five tons of woods.

1833
01:27:17,893 --> 01:27:20,732
Speaker 17: So you just like there's there's just there's there's ample

1834
01:27:20,772 --> 01:27:22,852
Speaker 17: amounts of wood down. Here's no issue at all. You

1835
01:27:22,933 --> 01:27:25,092
Speaker 17: just try and find the lowest price, right.

1836
01:27:25,173 --> 01:27:28,932
Speaker 2: And was expensive to to get get a fireplace built

1837
01:27:28,933 --> 01:27:30,372
Speaker 2: into the house with the chimney and such?

1838
01:27:31,853 --> 01:27:35,772
Speaker 17: Oh, I mean, yeah, yeah, it was, it was, It was.

1839
01:27:36,173 --> 01:27:36,372
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1840
01:27:36,492 --> 01:27:41,173
Speaker 17: But I mean I think I think on on you know,

1841
01:27:42,213 --> 01:27:45,612
Speaker 17: cost per cost per use, it's a lot, and you

1842
01:27:45,692 --> 01:27:49,372
Speaker 17: know the what are the AC units and all that

1843
01:27:49,532 --> 01:27:50,412
Speaker 17: kind of stuff.

1844
01:27:51,372 --> 01:27:53,492
Speaker 4: And so I take it you've got a pretty good

1845
01:27:53,532 --> 01:27:54,572
Speaker 4: place to to stack it.

1846
01:27:56,492 --> 01:27:58,173
Speaker 17: Yeah, we've got a ship. We've got to shop out

1847
01:27:58,213 --> 01:27:58,452
Speaker 17: the back.

1848
01:27:58,652 --> 01:27:58,812
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1849
01:27:58,973 --> 01:28:01,173
Speaker 2: Well you're living the dream, Troy, And thanks ringing up

1850
01:28:01,253 --> 01:28:04,692
Speaker 2: and good luck with those date nights. Very romantic, very romantic.

1851
01:28:04,853 --> 01:28:07,892
Speaker 2: Just crackling away in the corner. That sticks to these guys.

1852
01:28:07,933 --> 01:28:09,932
Speaker 2: I just dream video of a fire on the big

1853
01:28:10,013 --> 01:28:13,173
Speaker 2: TV off on a lake, campfire at dusk, crank the

1854
01:28:13,253 --> 01:28:16,452
Speaker 2: heat pump and burned in it. You can even tell

1855
01:28:16,492 --> 01:28:19,412
Speaker 2: it's a simulation. You can't even tell it's a simulation assignment.

1856
01:28:19,692 --> 01:28:21,652
Speaker 4: I mean that speaks to you, Matt. You love a

1857
01:28:21,692 --> 01:28:22,932
Speaker 4: good I mean fire.

1858
01:28:22,853 --> 01:28:26,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it do you need the smoke and

1859
01:28:26,333 --> 01:28:28,013
Speaker 2: the little bit of the crackle. I mean, I'm a

1860
01:28:28,093 --> 01:28:31,572
Speaker 2: huge fan of I'm putting up a live stream fire

1861
01:28:31,692 --> 01:28:33,973
Speaker 2: on YouTube just to get that fire, and I think

1862
01:28:34,013 --> 01:28:36,532
Speaker 2: you're probably getting eighty percent there. Yeah, but it's the

1863
01:28:36,772 --> 01:28:39,093
Speaker 2: last twenty percent of crackling and the knowing it's a

1864
01:28:39,173 --> 01:28:42,532
Speaker 2: fire and having to source the wood and all the

1865
01:28:42,933 --> 01:28:45,852
Speaker 2: requisite feeling like a man.

1866
01:28:46,213 --> 01:28:49,972
Speaker 4: In my case, I'm slowly be destroyed by fire. Yeah. Yeah,

1867
01:28:50,173 --> 01:28:52,253
Speaker 4: h so good feeling. Oh eight one hundred and eighty

1868
01:28:52,293 --> 01:28:54,213
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number. Call If you've managed to

1869
01:28:54,772 --> 01:28:56,772
Speaker 4: recently put in a fireplace, we'd love to hear from you.

1870
01:28:57,013 --> 01:28:59,172
Speaker 4: Was there any regulations put in place by the council?

1871
01:28:59,293 --> 01:29:01,452
Speaker 4: Was it easy as get on the phone? O eight

1872
01:29:01,452 --> 01:29:02,612
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1873
01:29:06,893 --> 01:29:10,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

1874
01:29:10,333 --> 01:29:12,533
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on news Talk ZB.

1875
01:29:13,053 --> 01:29:16,812
Speaker 4: Very good afternoons. You were talking about fireplaces and fire wood.

1876
01:29:16,973 --> 01:29:19,492
Speaker 4: If you've managed to put in a fireplace into a

1877
01:29:19,612 --> 01:29:21,492
Speaker 4: new build or an existing property. Loved to hear from

1878
01:29:21,492 --> 01:29:23,012
Speaker 4: you on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1879
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:25,692
Speaker 3: Hey Matt, that's a bit personal. He's just told you

1880
01:29:25,893 --> 01:29:29,213
Speaker 3: about his fire and getting naked and you ask him

1881
01:29:29,412 --> 01:29:30,173
Speaker 3: where he gets wood?

1882
01:29:30,293 --> 01:29:33,013
Speaker 4: No, great, come on, come on, Ray, come on as

1883
01:29:33,013 --> 01:29:33,932
Speaker 4: a family show.

1884
01:29:35,973 --> 01:29:39,652
Speaker 3: That was on a scram that was a complete accident. Wayne,

1885
01:29:39,692 --> 01:29:40,293
Speaker 3: welcome to the show.

1886
01:29:41,253 --> 01:29:42,692
Speaker 13: Yeah, good A Matt god a Tyler.

1887
01:29:42,732 --> 01:29:43,492
Speaker 7: How are you guys?

1888
01:29:43,732 --> 01:29:44,452
Speaker 4: Very good? Wayne?

1889
01:29:45,013 --> 01:29:45,213
Speaker 26: Good?

1890
01:29:45,372 --> 01:29:49,372
Speaker 7: Yeah, Hey, look I live here in now we're up

1891
01:29:49,452 --> 01:29:52,772
Speaker 7: and coming city of christ Church, where you know the

1892
01:29:52,853 --> 01:29:57,932
Speaker 7: house we own is currently one hundred and twenty years old. Nice, yeah,

1893
01:29:57,973 --> 01:30:00,892
Speaker 7: and it survived the earthquake. You know, when we first

1894
01:30:00,933 --> 01:30:04,452
Speaker 7: bought the house that had a open an open fire,

1895
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:08,532
Speaker 7: but a number of years after we moved in, we

1896
01:30:08,893 --> 01:30:12,412
Speaker 7: actually basically took out the open fire and installed a

1897
01:30:12,572 --> 01:30:15,213
Speaker 7: log burner within the existing fireplace.

1898
01:30:16,692 --> 01:30:20,372
Speaker 2: Right, So what's what just what's a log burner as

1899
01:30:20,412 --> 01:30:21,493
Speaker 2: opposed to a fireplace?

1900
01:30:21,572 --> 01:30:21,852
Speaker 3: Wayne?

1901
01:30:22,893 --> 01:30:26,053
Speaker 7: Well, well, a fight, you know, an open fire, you know,

1902
01:30:26,253 --> 01:30:28,933
Speaker 7: you can just throw the stuff on and everything, but

1903
01:30:29,293 --> 01:30:32,372
Speaker 7: you know, and you have an ash pen and then

1904
01:30:32,532 --> 01:30:33,732
Speaker 7: an open grate where you.

1905
01:30:33,812 --> 01:30:36,692
Speaker 9: Burn wherever you want to burn wood or coal.

1906
01:30:37,492 --> 01:30:44,293
Speaker 7: Whereas we basically clean that out and installed well, log burner,

1907
01:30:44,333 --> 01:30:46,293
Speaker 7: would burner whatever you want to call them. You can

1908
01:30:46,412 --> 01:30:49,412
Speaker 7: get free standing ones or you can get ones that

1909
01:30:49,692 --> 01:30:53,452
Speaker 7: will slop inside an existing fireplace.

1910
01:30:53,492 --> 01:30:56,133
Speaker 4: Right, and so you have that yeah, sorry, carry on.

1911
01:30:57,053 --> 01:30:58,692
Speaker 9: Yeah, So that so that's what we did.

1912
01:30:59,293 --> 01:31:01,932
Speaker 7: And you know we're actually being with the same wood

1913
01:31:02,093 --> 01:31:05,972
Speaker 7: merchant for nearly forty five years.

1914
01:31:06,692 --> 01:31:11,052
Speaker 3: Wow, same the same actual person or the same company.

1915
01:31:11,213 --> 01:31:14,532
Speaker 7: We're the same company. Where they may have changed hands,

1916
01:31:14,612 --> 01:31:17,812
Speaker 7: I don't know, but you know, we you know, we

1917
01:31:18,013 --> 01:31:20,293
Speaker 7: might pay a little bit more than what some people

1918
01:31:20,372 --> 01:31:23,692
Speaker 7: do for their wood. But with this crowd, they are

1919
01:31:23,812 --> 01:31:26,972
Speaker 7: quite a big crowd in close church. They actually kiln

1920
01:31:27,173 --> 01:31:32,532
Speaker 7: dry their wood before the customers buy it. So you know,

1921
01:31:32,652 --> 01:31:36,053
Speaker 7: I can get a truckload of wood and the same

1922
01:31:36,133 --> 01:31:39,013
Speaker 7: day that I get it, I could actually be burning it, right.

1923
01:31:39,572 --> 01:31:44,253
Speaker 7: That's that is the secret to running a good be

1924
01:31:44,333 --> 01:31:46,933
Speaker 7: an open fire, whether it be a log burner, you

1925
01:31:47,133 --> 01:31:51,492
Speaker 7: need to have dry wood. We actually I actually purchased,

1926
01:31:51,612 --> 01:31:54,572
Speaker 7: like the next couple of months, I'm going to be

1927
01:31:54,692 --> 01:31:58,612
Speaker 7: purchasing all my wood for next year's winter. I buy

1928
01:31:58,652 --> 01:32:00,692
Speaker 7: it about six to seven months and a month, even

1929
01:32:00,732 --> 01:32:03,612
Speaker 7: though it's already dry. It will be all stacked away

1930
01:32:03,652 --> 01:32:07,652
Speaker 7: in the woodshed. And I have no issues. And you know,

1931
01:32:07,893 --> 01:32:10,372
Speaker 7: and because of that, what do I do? We buy

1932
01:32:10,452 --> 01:32:13,932
Speaker 7: the wood and then before the new before about eight

1933
01:32:14,013 --> 01:32:16,253
Speaker 7: four May, before we know we've got to start lighting

1934
01:32:16,293 --> 01:32:18,852
Speaker 7: the wood burner. We get the old chimney cleaners in

1935
01:32:18,973 --> 01:32:21,013
Speaker 7: it and they do it clean. They were clean of

1936
01:32:21,093 --> 01:32:23,812
Speaker 7: the chimneys once a year. We do it, you know,

1937
01:32:23,973 --> 01:32:27,213
Speaker 7: we do it religiously, get the chimneys clean, dry wood.

1938
01:32:27,412 --> 01:32:31,692
Speaker 7: And we don't have an issue what soever with that.

1939
01:32:32,173 --> 01:32:33,213
Speaker 23: Is it is it?

1940
01:32:33,572 --> 01:32:37,253
Speaker 2: Is it a special day at almost ceremonious situation when

1941
01:32:37,293 --> 01:32:40,652
Speaker 2: you light the first fire of of of the year.

1942
01:32:41,732 --> 01:32:44,652
Speaker 7: No, no, not really, we just know, you know, and

1943
01:32:44,933 --> 01:32:47,612
Speaker 7: even like, even though we're now in October, you know,

1944
01:32:47,692 --> 01:32:50,532
Speaker 7: we're actually still having some bloody cold days here in

1945
01:32:50,612 --> 01:32:54,492
Speaker 7: christ Church. So we won't hesitate to still like still

1946
01:32:54,572 --> 01:32:57,772
Speaker 7: light the fire if we think we need it, because you.

1947
01:32:58,213 --> 01:33:01,253
Speaker 4: Love the good life. Wayne, Absolutely plenty of seats coming

1948
01:33:01,293 --> 01:33:03,293
Speaker 4: through on nine two, nine to two.

1949
01:33:04,173 --> 01:33:07,692
Speaker 3: This business is those bunch down south. Sure are different?

1950
01:33:07,933 --> 01:33:10,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, that a good good thing or different?

1951
01:33:10,692 --> 01:33:11,572
Speaker 3: A different world downtown?

1952
01:33:11,612 --> 01:33:16,133
Speaker 4: Wrong people down there a cord. We've gone over the

1953
01:33:16,173 --> 01:33:17,893
Speaker 4: core business. Lets forget about the cor business. So I

1954
01:33:18,053 --> 01:33:19,932
Speaker 4: know more about the cord. We figured that out. One

1955
01:33:20,013 --> 01:33:23,293
Speaker 4: hundred eighty eight is the number to call. I think

1956
01:33:23,293 --> 01:33:25,573
Speaker 4: we've got time for John actually before the headlines.

1957
01:33:25,652 --> 01:33:27,532
Speaker 3: Now John you're the perfect person to talk to.

1958
01:33:27,652 --> 01:33:27,852
Speaker 9: John.

1959
01:33:27,853 --> 01:33:29,132
Speaker 3: You're a fireplace installer.

1960
01:33:30,293 --> 01:33:30,892
Speaker 9: Jday. Guys.

1961
01:33:30,973 --> 01:33:33,732
Speaker 22: Yeah, I've literally I just stepped off the ladder from

1962
01:33:33,732 --> 01:33:36,852
Speaker 22: installing a new fire today and jumped in the truck

1963
01:33:36,973 --> 01:33:37,972
Speaker 22: and here's this conversation.

1964
01:33:39,013 --> 01:33:41,052
Speaker 4: Oh how good? And whereabouts do you operate?

1965
01:33:41,173 --> 01:33:41,372
Speaker 7: John?

1966
01:33:42,452 --> 01:33:44,812
Speaker 22: We're up in Auckland. We we sell in install fires

1967
01:33:44,812 --> 01:33:47,452
Speaker 22: around the country that mainly up in Auckland. And still

1968
01:33:47,572 --> 01:33:49,852
Speaker 22: lots of misconceptions about wood fires.

1969
01:33:49,893 --> 01:33:50,572
Speaker 9: Can we can we?

1970
01:33:51,133 --> 01:33:51,333
Speaker 24: Yeah?

1971
01:33:52,452 --> 01:33:56,572
Speaker 22: Yeah, you absolutely can. Is a there's been a real

1972
01:33:56,652 --> 01:34:00,532
Speaker 22: resurgence into wood burning fires, either replacing old fires or

1973
01:34:00,612 --> 01:34:05,012
Speaker 22: gas fires or new installations, and there's lots of options

1974
01:34:05,053 --> 01:34:09,132
Speaker 22: from open fires to wood burners. Yeah, in doors outdoors.

1975
01:34:10,213 --> 01:34:11,892
Speaker 2: How much would I mean this? It's hard to say,

1976
01:34:11,933 --> 01:34:13,333
Speaker 2: I mean how long is a piece of rope? But

1977
01:34:14,013 --> 01:34:17,092
Speaker 2: say I've got a house and mountain and just to say.

1978
01:34:17,093 --> 01:34:18,572
Speaker 4: Just an example, and I'm thinking that.

1979
01:34:20,492 --> 01:34:23,253
Speaker 2: There's no chimney in there at the moment to go

1980
01:34:23,412 --> 01:34:26,133
Speaker 2: for a full like an open old school open fire

1981
01:34:26,372 --> 01:34:29,532
Speaker 2: with the chimney, what are we looking at?

1982
01:34:29,933 --> 01:34:31,133
Speaker 3: What sort of ballpipe trace?

1983
01:34:32,293 --> 01:34:35,572
Speaker 22: In mount Eden? You're probably looking open fires there are

1984
01:34:35,973 --> 01:34:38,372
Speaker 22: in every part of the country. There's different rules, and

1985
01:34:38,652 --> 01:34:40,492
Speaker 22: in the middle of the city you may not be

1986
01:34:40,532 --> 01:34:43,612
Speaker 22: able to get an open fire in a moment, but

1987
01:34:43,772 --> 01:34:45,692
Speaker 22: you can certainly have one outdoor. So you can get

1988
01:34:45,732 --> 01:34:48,932
Speaker 22: your open wood burning fixed by putting an outdoor fire

1989
01:34:49,013 --> 01:34:52,612
Speaker 22: on outside. And you can spend anywhere from as low

1990
01:34:52,692 --> 01:34:56,492
Speaker 22: as three to four grand for something from Bunnings, might

1991
01:34:56,532 --> 01:34:59,413
Speaker 22: attend all the way up to twenty five thirty thousands

1992
01:34:59,452 --> 01:35:02,572
Speaker 22: for something really really special and custom made.

1993
01:35:02,812 --> 01:35:04,892
Speaker 2: What do they care if it's indoor or outdoor, if

1994
01:35:04,933 --> 01:35:06,612
Speaker 2: it's the if they've got to or if they've got

1995
01:35:06,652 --> 01:35:08,053
Speaker 2: a problem with smoke, what does it matter?

1996
01:35:09,053 --> 01:35:09,812
Speaker 9: Yeah, I know that.

1997
01:35:09,973 --> 01:35:13,852
Speaker 22: The theory is in winter, when the conditions are a

1998
01:35:13,893 --> 01:35:17,772
Speaker 22: bit heavier outside atmosphere conditions, the smoke doesn't dissipate as well.

1999
01:35:18,853 --> 01:35:22,692
Speaker 22: But we've answered that with clean burning, clean airprooved clean

2000
01:35:22,732 --> 01:35:26,293
Speaker 22: burning with burners which burn a lot hotter and cleaner,

2001
01:35:26,853 --> 01:35:28,893
Speaker 22: and so we don't have that pollution problem in the

2002
01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:32,772
Speaker 22: cities like we used to. And then conversely, in the

2003
01:35:32,853 --> 01:35:36,852
Speaker 22: summer time, when you're using outdoor fires, the outdoor ambient

2004
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:41,492
Speaker 22: temperatures a bit warmer, so that smoke disappears a lot easier.

2005
01:35:42,372 --> 01:35:44,692
Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying you do this, John, clearly you're

2006
01:35:44,732 --> 01:35:47,452
Speaker 4: a very good fireplace installer. But I have heard in

2007
01:35:47,492 --> 01:35:49,852
Speaker 4: places like christ you they get a bit silly about

2008
01:35:49,893 --> 01:35:52,012
Speaker 4: the new fireplaces. They wanted to ban it all because

2009
01:35:52,013 --> 01:35:54,452
Speaker 4: of smug or something for some reason. But I've heard

2010
01:35:54,492 --> 01:35:57,013
Speaker 4: people get around that that they just put in a

2011
01:35:57,093 --> 01:35:59,452
Speaker 4: pizza ruven fire out the back and it's not rarely

2012
01:35:59,532 --> 01:36:01,293
Speaker 4: for cooking pizzas. But as long as you say it's

2013
01:36:01,333 --> 01:36:04,052
Speaker 4: for cooking food, then you can install all we fireplace

2014
01:36:04,093 --> 01:36:05,532
Speaker 4: in the back garden. I mean that's kind of a

2015
01:36:05,572 --> 01:36:07,893
Speaker 4: little bit of a loophole there for some some regions.

2016
01:36:07,612 --> 01:36:12,852
Speaker 22: Right, yeah, so not even a loophole outdoor fires. They

2017
01:36:12,933 --> 01:36:15,253
Speaker 22: do sometimes specify that you can cook on that, But

2018
01:36:15,572 --> 01:36:22,492
Speaker 22: I don't know of any restrictions to outdoor outdoor woburning fires. No, No,

2019
01:36:22,732 --> 01:36:25,732
Speaker 22: that's that's no problem at all. And there's even in

2020
01:36:25,893 --> 01:36:30,372
Speaker 22: areas where there are stricter rules about wood burning, you know,

2021
01:36:30,492 --> 01:36:32,652
Speaker 22: and built ups in the years, there's lots and lots

2022
01:36:32,692 --> 01:36:35,333
Speaker 22: of cleaner woburning models that you.

2023
01:36:35,333 --> 01:36:35,932
Speaker 9: Can choose from.

2024
01:36:36,652 --> 01:36:39,852
Speaker 2: And do you install the gas fires with with the chimney,

2025
01:36:40,732 --> 01:36:43,372
Speaker 2: you know, not, rather than the sort of fake electrical fires,

2026
01:36:43,452 --> 01:36:43,772
Speaker 2: but the.

2027
01:36:45,692 --> 01:36:48,772
Speaker 22: Yep, yep, yep, we do. We do gas fires as well,

2028
01:36:48,973 --> 01:36:51,852
Speaker 22: just there's a little uncertainty with you know, supply of

2029
01:36:51,973 --> 01:36:56,572
Speaker 22: guests and you know, going to the future. But that

2030
01:36:56,692 --> 01:36:58,412
Speaker 22: could turn around just as quickly as well.

2031
01:36:58,612 --> 01:37:01,333
Speaker 3: But you would you in those completely fake electric ones

2032
01:37:01,372 --> 01:37:04,852
Speaker 3: that that's kind of like a TV screen if you.

2033
01:37:04,893 --> 01:37:09,012
Speaker 22: Want to just pre you know, so some TV screen

2034
01:37:09,093 --> 01:37:14,253
Speaker 22: watching fire. There are some realistic looking one. So I'm

2035
01:37:14,293 --> 01:37:17,772
Speaker 22: not I'm not big enough. And sometimes you can't put

2036
01:37:17,812 --> 01:37:20,053
Speaker 22: a floor a chimney up through a second story or

2037
01:37:20,053 --> 01:37:22,732
Speaker 22: apartment jot, So here's a place for them.

2038
01:37:23,293 --> 01:37:26,812
Speaker 2: What happens, John, if you install an outdoor fire, but

2039
01:37:26,853 --> 01:37:29,452
Speaker 2: you've got a sneaky hatch into the house and then

2040
01:37:29,492 --> 01:37:31,852
Speaker 2: a sneaky clothes hatch on the outdoor fire, and then

2041
01:37:31,933 --> 01:37:34,772
Speaker 2: suddenly this outdoor fire is actually an indoor fire.

2042
01:37:38,213 --> 01:37:40,452
Speaker 4: We love our loopholes in New Zealands, and that sounds

2043
01:37:40,492 --> 01:37:41,013
Speaker 4: like a good one.

2044
01:37:41,452 --> 01:37:44,053
Speaker 3: I'll keep your number, John, and we'll talk about that. Yeah,

2045
01:37:44,173 --> 01:37:44,892
Speaker 3: thank you so much.

2046
01:37:48,013 --> 01:37:49,052
Speaker 4: So this is exciting.

2047
01:37:49,173 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 3: You're exactly the right person to call. So glad you

2048
01:37:51,293 --> 01:37:52,492
Speaker 3: called through, John brilliant.

2049
01:37:52,572 --> 01:37:54,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, love it. Well, we've got plenty of calls to

2050
01:37:54,293 --> 01:37:57,333
Speaker 4: get to our headlines with rayling coming up. But if

2051
01:37:57,412 --> 01:38:00,093
Speaker 4: you know about wood burners and fireplaces one hundred and

2052
01:38:00,093 --> 01:38:00,732
Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty.

2053
01:38:00,612 --> 01:38:02,652
Speaker 3: I've got a question as well. The chimney sweeps.

2054
01:38:02,692 --> 01:38:04,732
Speaker 2: They're still put eight year olds down there wearing cheese

2055
01:38:04,772 --> 01:38:08,012
Speaker 2: cutters and knickerbockers and the little pants and the city

2056
01:38:08,452 --> 01:38:10,333
Speaker 2: get down there. And because they're small enough to get

2057
01:38:10,372 --> 01:38:11,572
Speaker 2: up and down there, are we running.

2058
01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:14,173
Speaker 4: Any eight year old school holidays at the moment? What

2059
01:38:14,253 --> 01:38:16,692
Speaker 4: else are they going to do? Good money? Yeah, give

2060
01:38:16,732 --> 01:38:18,892
Speaker 4: us a call. Is twenty nine to four.

2061
01:38:21,133 --> 01:38:24,612
Speaker 20: You talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2062
01:38:24,692 --> 01:38:27,492
Speaker 20: no trouble with a blue bubble. Police have confirmed the

2063
01:38:27,572 --> 01:38:31,853
Speaker 20: evidence isn't strong enough to initiate a serious fraud investigation

2064
01:38:32,333 --> 01:38:36,612
Speaker 20: into polling issues at manre Wa Marai after allegation census

2065
01:38:36,772 --> 01:38:41,213
Speaker 20: data was used for electioneering. A seventeen year old girl

2066
01:38:41,293 --> 01:38:44,253
Speaker 20: has been charged in relation to the fatal stabbing of

2067
01:38:44,333 --> 01:38:48,093
Speaker 20: fifteen year old a Kaya Karodia in Napier in May,

2068
01:38:48,572 --> 01:38:52,892
Speaker 20: the seventh person charged. The activist who spearheaded last year's

2069
01:38:52,973 --> 01:38:56,652
Speaker 20: nationwide hikoi to Parliament has publicly cut ties with the

2070
01:38:56,812 --> 01:39:01,772
Speaker 20: Pati Mari, criticizing its leadership model. Our foreign affairs officials

2071
01:39:01,853 --> 01:39:06,453
Speaker 20: are contacting Israel after reports Kiwis were among activists intercepted

2072
01:39:06,492 --> 01:39:10,812
Speaker 20: in a flotilla bound for Gaza. Nowise for Australian mushroom

2073
01:39:10,933 --> 01:39:15,213
Speaker 20: murderer Aaron Patterson planned to appeal her guilty verdicts. They

2074
01:39:15,253 --> 01:39:19,213
Speaker 20: haven't till midnight Monday to lodge documents. All Clym Police

2075
01:39:19,293 --> 01:39:21,732
Speaker 20: are asking the public to help over a broad daylight

2076
01:39:22,053 --> 01:39:25,933
Speaker 20: aggravated robbery at a Birkenhead pawn shop, particularly looking for

2077
01:39:26,013 --> 01:39:29,852
Speaker 20: footage from Highbury Zion Road and North Cotes Potter Avenue.

2078
01:39:30,692 --> 01:39:34,412
Speaker 20: One of the Western world's great scientific achievements, the Life

2079
01:39:34,572 --> 01:39:37,133
Speaker 20: and Legacy of Jane Good Or you can see the

2080
01:39:37,213 --> 01:39:41,213
Speaker 20: story at Nzen Herald Premium. Back to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

2081
01:39:40,933 --> 01:39:42,732
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, ray Lean and we are talking

2082
01:39:42,732 --> 01:39:47,053
Speaker 4: about fireplaces. Not so long ago most of us did

2083
01:39:47,133 --> 01:39:49,572
Speaker 4: have a fireplace, but there were some regulations that came

2084
01:39:49,812 --> 01:39:52,492
Speaker 4: in up and down the country. So we're keen here

2085
01:39:52,492 --> 01:39:54,452
Speaker 4: from you. If you've recently installed a fireplace, what have

2086
01:39:54,532 --> 01:39:56,732
Speaker 4: you gone with and what sort of challenges did you face?

2087
01:39:57,013 --> 01:40:02,452
Speaker 2: You were talking before about you know, the whole thing

2088
01:40:02,492 --> 01:40:06,333
Speaker 2: about cleaning the chimneys. Yes, and there's been a lot

2089
01:40:06,333 --> 01:40:08,692
Speaker 2: of sexts coming through on that. Apparently we're not eight

2090
01:40:08,772 --> 01:40:12,892
Speaker 2: year olds with knickerbocker's anymore. And you know, little suit

2091
01:40:12,973 --> 01:40:16,093
Speaker 2: jackets and cheese cutters, it is a shame and throwing

2092
01:40:16,133 --> 01:40:16,852
Speaker 2: them down the chimney.

2093
01:40:16,933 --> 01:40:18,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, they did good work.

2094
01:40:18,133 --> 01:40:21,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave says the best way to clean the chimney

2095
01:40:21,452 --> 01:40:24,052
Speaker 2: is tire rooster to a long stick by its legs

2096
01:40:24,053 --> 01:40:26,412
Speaker 2: and shove it down the chimney. That sucker will flap

2097
01:40:26,452 --> 01:40:28,412
Speaker 2: its wings like crazy, up and down, up and down.

2098
01:40:28,532 --> 01:40:29,253
Speaker 2: Job done, Dave.

2099
01:40:30,053 --> 01:40:31,572
Speaker 4: So it's some innovation right there.

2100
01:40:31,692 --> 01:40:33,293
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I didn't know that was the best way

2101
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:35,612
Speaker 3: to do it, but thanks for sharing, Dave. Sharon, Welcome

2102
01:40:35,612 --> 01:40:36,012
Speaker 3: to the show.

2103
01:40:37,093 --> 01:40:38,692
Speaker 24: Oh, good afternoon. You two.

2104
01:40:40,173 --> 01:40:43,333
Speaker 16: Fireplaces here. My husband I had a fireplace for last

2105
01:40:43,532 --> 01:40:49,732
Speaker 16: and golly thirty odd years commonly, but my husband, who's yeah,

2106
01:40:49,732 --> 01:40:52,772
Speaker 16: it's great. We wouldn't have anything else. But my husband's

2107
01:40:52,772 --> 01:40:55,652
Speaker 16: the one who organized our firewood. We're fortunate enough to

2108
01:40:55,732 --> 01:41:00,012
Speaker 16: have a pine plantation, and he'd being in the later

2109
01:41:00,173 --> 01:41:03,372
Speaker 16: parts of this of his sixty year old life. He's

2110
01:41:03,412 --> 01:41:06,372
Speaker 16: the one that chops the firewood Pittsford and uns up

2111
01:41:06,412 --> 01:41:08,612
Speaker 16: the stairs, all that sort of thing, and then it

2112
01:41:08,652 --> 01:41:11,572
Speaker 16: gets cold. Fling it in the fireplace to keep me warm.

2113
01:41:11,853 --> 01:41:12,532
Speaker 9: That is manly.

2114
01:41:13,333 --> 01:41:14,973
Speaker 3: Do you appreciate it? Does that make you?

2115
01:41:15,173 --> 01:41:17,652
Speaker 2: Does that you make you love him even more every

2116
01:41:17,692 --> 01:41:20,612
Speaker 2: time he has a bit of wood into the fire, Sharon, of.

2117
01:41:20,612 --> 01:41:23,732
Speaker 16: Course for years we've made forty six years the love

2118
01:41:23,933 --> 01:41:27,293
Speaker 16: of it. But also we've got a Lady kitchener, which

2119
01:41:27,333 --> 01:41:30,613
Speaker 16: is a New Zealand made fireplace from Napier. It's a Forenzo.

2120
01:41:30,812 --> 01:41:32,652
Speaker 16: It's oh, it's so warm, it's wly and it has

2121
01:41:32,652 --> 01:41:33,052
Speaker 16: a wet.

2122
01:41:32,973 --> 01:41:33,333
Speaker 9: Back on it.

2123
01:41:33,452 --> 01:41:36,732
Speaker 16: So we have hot water hockhouse and we cocon it

2124
01:41:36,853 --> 01:41:37,133
Speaker 16: as well.

2125
01:41:37,492 --> 01:41:37,692
Speaker 23: Yeah.

2126
01:41:37,853 --> 01:41:39,492
Speaker 3: So when you say, oh, look at that, I'm just

2127
01:41:39,532 --> 01:41:40,652
Speaker 3: looking at one. How beautiful?

2128
01:41:40,692 --> 01:41:44,612
Speaker 4: But like do you you must have a backup to

2129
01:41:45,253 --> 01:41:47,852
Speaker 4: heat the water and stuff and the wet back, right so.

2130
01:41:48,333 --> 01:41:50,293
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, well the scaf color font as well. But

2131
01:41:50,412 --> 01:41:55,293
Speaker 16: yeah yeah, but yeah in the winter time that it's

2132
01:41:55,333 --> 01:41:55,772
Speaker 16: really good.

2133
01:41:56,133 --> 01:41:56,333
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2134
01:41:56,412 --> 01:42:00,172
Speaker 3: Oh wow, oh man, look at that. That's a describe

2135
01:42:00,213 --> 01:42:01,213
Speaker 3: the one you look like, is it?

2136
01:42:01,253 --> 01:42:04,013
Speaker 2: Because the one I'm looking at is kind of a

2137
01:42:04,053 --> 01:42:08,492
Speaker 2: futuristicy kind of fire that's sort of hangs from the

2138
01:42:08,612 --> 01:42:11,692
Speaker 2: roof and it's kind of like an upside down wine glass.

2139
01:42:11,772 --> 01:42:12,532
Speaker 3: Is that what you're running?

2140
01:42:13,492 --> 01:42:15,973
Speaker 16: No, No, we've got a Lady Kitchener's actually on the

2141
01:42:16,093 --> 01:42:20,972
Speaker 16: floor on the child that gets a decent sized log

2142
01:42:21,013 --> 01:42:23,013
Speaker 16: in there you Google, I.

2143
01:42:23,013 --> 01:42:24,852
Speaker 3: Put in lady Kitchener and it's trying to sell me

2144
01:42:24,933 --> 01:42:25,372
Speaker 3: other stuff.

2145
01:42:26,973 --> 01:42:28,692
Speaker 4: Then we even looked out, so it's quite a solid thing.

2146
01:42:28,732 --> 01:42:30,172
Speaker 4: And if you want to yea, yeah, yeah.

2147
01:42:30,093 --> 01:42:31,652
Speaker 3: I see it now that I get it. Yeah, they're

2148
01:42:31,652 --> 01:42:33,253
Speaker 3: beautiful there, they're great though. It is good on you.

2149
01:42:33,412 --> 01:42:35,253
Speaker 4: You could almost put the saucepan or the frying pan

2150
01:42:35,333 --> 01:42:36,732
Speaker 4: on the top and cook something if you wanted to.

2151
01:42:37,772 --> 01:42:39,293
Speaker 16: Yeah, I cook it on it all the time during

2152
01:42:39,333 --> 01:42:39,932
Speaker 16: the winter time.

2153
01:42:41,973 --> 01:42:45,253
Speaker 3: As well. And where are you loving, Sharon? If you

2154
01:42:45,293 --> 01:42:46,092
Speaker 3: didn't already say.

2155
01:42:45,933 --> 01:42:48,132
Speaker 16: We live in the northern part of Auckland.

2156
01:42:49,412 --> 01:42:51,093
Speaker 3: So how many months a year do you think you're

2157
01:42:51,173 --> 01:42:52,972
Speaker 3: running the fire Sharon?

2158
01:42:53,412 --> 01:42:53,652
Speaker 24: Oh?

2159
01:42:54,333 --> 01:42:54,772
Speaker 17: Probably?

2160
01:42:55,372 --> 01:42:57,173
Speaker 16: You know they only start at the very beginning of

2161
01:42:57,253 --> 01:42:59,692
Speaker 16: June if it's cold enough, and go through to it's

2162
01:42:59,692 --> 01:43:01,932
Speaker 16: getting a bit warm for it now, so so reasonable

2163
01:43:01,973 --> 01:43:02,492
Speaker 16: length of time.

2164
01:43:02,772 --> 01:43:04,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, good on you. Thanks for ringing.

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01:43:04,452 --> 01:43:05,532
Speaker 4: Share sounds very buw colic.

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01:43:05,572 --> 01:43:05,973
Speaker 16: I like it.

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01:43:08,053 --> 01:43:11,333
Speaker 4: Is the text number couple coming through, actually hundreds coming

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01:43:11,372 --> 01:43:14,213
Speaker 4: through about the hell fireplaces, guys. I've got a log burner.

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01:43:14,412 --> 01:43:16,972
Speaker 4: It is great, especially when the temperature is and the negatives.

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01:43:16,973 --> 01:43:19,333
Speaker 4: I burn a bit of mix of wood from soft

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01:43:19,372 --> 01:43:22,852
Speaker 4: to hard pine, old man pine to blue gum in Oregon.

2172
01:43:23,133 --> 01:43:24,732
Speaker 4: I have a mass port. She's a beauty.

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01:43:25,933 --> 01:43:26,213
Speaker 1: Love that.

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01:43:27,133 --> 01:43:31,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit rough, someone's saying here. Yeah, it's

2175
01:43:31,692 --> 01:43:34,333
Speaker 2: not the same lying on a sheepskin rug and getting

2176
01:43:34,412 --> 01:43:35,532
Speaker 2: romantic under a heat pump.

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01:43:36,093 --> 01:43:36,732
Speaker 3: This is the text.

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01:43:36,973 --> 01:43:38,892
Speaker 4: Not quite No, No, it doesn't have the same vibe

2179
01:43:38,893 --> 01:43:41,572
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, we'll take Mike before, get a place

2180
01:43:41,612 --> 01:43:42,492
Speaker 4: some messages. Get a Mike.

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01:43:43,532 --> 01:43:44,612
Speaker 11: Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

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01:43:44,652 --> 01:43:46,892
Speaker 4: How are you very good? You got a wood burner?

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01:43:48,293 --> 01:43:49,973
Speaker 11: No, listen, I'm going to try a different light on

2184
01:43:50,053 --> 01:43:52,893
Speaker 11: the subject. I'm actually a dealer. I've been supplying and

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01:43:52,973 --> 01:43:56,093
Speaker 11: installing woodburners and christ Church for the last almost twenty

2186
01:43:56,213 --> 01:43:58,612
Speaker 11: years now, and I'm what we call a woodsman agent.

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01:43:58,732 --> 01:44:01,253
Speaker 11: So they're a New Zealand manufactured fire and christ Church

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01:44:01,372 --> 01:44:04,692
Speaker 11: by Harris Home Fires, and they are a fifth generation

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01:44:04,853 --> 01:44:07,812
Speaker 11: family business. So I know all about wood burners. Indoors

2190
01:44:07,853 --> 01:44:10,253
Speaker 11: and outdoors and have you got any questions for me?

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01:44:10,492 --> 01:44:14,333
Speaker 11: Fire away sues the pun but just hearing before the

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01:44:14,412 --> 01:44:16,812
Speaker 11: man the man the man was talking before. I think

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01:44:16,853 --> 01:44:20,892
Speaker 11: the installer was talking about outdoor fires. Yeah, we New

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01:44:20,973 --> 01:44:24,492
Speaker 11: Zealand goes by the Ministry for Environment lists and here

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01:44:24,572 --> 01:44:27,173
Speaker 11: in Grossroots we're governed by the ear Canda list And

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01:44:27,333 --> 01:44:29,772
Speaker 11: basically with an outdoor fire, it states that you can't

2197
01:44:29,853 --> 01:44:32,092
Speaker 11: light a fire in your backyard unless it's a hanging

2198
01:44:32,213 --> 01:44:35,732
Speaker 11: in umu or a barbecue. Now, these outdoor fires like

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01:44:35,853 --> 01:44:38,652
Speaker 11: Warrington's and on flame and all these fires you've have

2200
01:44:39,213 --> 01:44:42,052
Speaker 11: pizza ovens built in or they have grills on hot plates,

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01:44:42,372 --> 01:44:44,893
Speaker 11: and as long as it's a cooking applies, it's classified

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01:44:44,893 --> 01:44:45,572
Speaker 11: as a barbecue.

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01:44:45,572 --> 01:44:46,532
Speaker 8: You don't have to permit it.

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01:44:47,492 --> 01:44:51,333
Speaker 11: And you know, the bodies don't you know, the guys

2205
01:44:51,372 --> 01:44:54,732
Speaker 11: that manage the airplans don't mine because it's not like

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01:44:54,853 --> 01:44:57,053
Speaker 11: you're you're you're burning your fire eight hours a day,

2207
01:44:57,173 --> 01:44:59,093
Speaker 11: seven days a week in your backyard. You tend to

2208
01:44:59,173 --> 01:45:01,772
Speaker 11: just crank it up on a few hours on the weekends.

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01:45:01,933 --> 01:45:04,173
Speaker 11: So that's how you can get away with open fires

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01:45:04,213 --> 01:45:07,173
Speaker 11: in the home. But you open fires inside the home,

2211
01:45:07,253 --> 01:45:09,053
Speaker 11: it's a different story. You've got to be outside of

2212
01:45:09,093 --> 01:45:11,053
Speaker 11: clean ear zone on more than two hit years of land,

2213
01:45:11,053 --> 01:45:14,213
Speaker 11: et cetera. So there are different rules applied to different fires.

2214
01:45:14,253 --> 01:45:17,253
Speaker 11: But any foreign New Zealand can install a wood burner today.

2215
01:45:17,732 --> 01:45:22,852
Speaker 3: Right, And as the demand for woodburners keeping up, going up,

2216
01:45:22,973 --> 01:45:24,932
Speaker 3: going down, what's the business like at the moment?

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01:45:25,013 --> 01:45:28,652
Speaker 11: Mike, Yeah, I've been really, really busy. I've got five

2218
01:45:28,732 --> 01:45:31,092
Speaker 11: installation teams in christ Church and I've got to install

2219
01:45:31,133 --> 01:45:32,973
Speaker 11: a throat in New Zealand that I have relationships with.

2220
01:45:33,173 --> 01:45:35,132
Speaker 17: And you know, I mean I put.

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01:45:35,093 --> 01:45:38,173
Speaker 11: Personally out did fifty five wood burners and a couple

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01:45:38,213 --> 01:45:40,492
Speaker 11: of months ago just for the month, I'm averaging around

2223
01:45:40,572 --> 01:45:44,692
Speaker 11: forty wood burners a month. But wow, just my business

2224
01:45:44,772 --> 01:45:47,652
Speaker 11: here in christ Church. But the market slowed down a

2225
01:45:47,692 --> 01:45:49,812
Speaker 11: little bit at the moment because I guess it's not

2226
01:45:49,933 --> 01:45:54,133
Speaker 11: exactly it's not exactly snowing outside. People are preparing ideal

2227
01:45:54,213 --> 01:45:57,492
Speaker 11: with corporate businesses. I install for new builds. Well, I

2228
01:45:57,612 --> 01:45:59,372
Speaker 11: personally don't install, but I have got teams that do it.

2229
01:45:59,893 --> 01:46:01,452
Speaker 11: But so we have to have an ould shall lower

2230
01:46:01,492 --> 01:46:03,812
Speaker 11: mission wood burner in christ Church clean air zone. So

2231
01:46:04,333 --> 01:46:07,213
Speaker 11: basically the fire must burn it about point six of

2232
01:46:07,293 --> 01:46:11,092
Speaker 11: a gram ap point six of a gram of pollutant

2233
01:46:11,133 --> 01:46:13,932
Speaker 11: per kilogram of smoke. It's all given by how much

2234
01:46:14,053 --> 01:46:16,893
Speaker 11: pollutant per cagal a smoke of fire emits, so it

2235
01:46:17,013 --> 01:46:19,412
Speaker 11: needs to be ultraalie mission and christ Church. But then

2236
01:46:19,412 --> 01:46:20,893
Speaker 11: if you lived on the West Coast or on a

2237
01:46:20,973 --> 01:46:23,452
Speaker 11: farm on more than two hectores of land outside of

2238
01:46:23,492 --> 01:46:24,652
Speaker 11: clean air zone, there.

2239
01:46:24,572 --> 01:46:25,133
Speaker 19: Are no rules.

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01:46:25,173 --> 01:46:26,692
Speaker 11: You can have an open fire in your home if

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01:46:26,732 --> 01:46:28,333
Speaker 11: you like, and particularly on the West Coast, you can

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01:46:28,372 --> 01:46:31,732
Speaker 11: have h but no they're very popular. They work in

2243
01:46:31,812 --> 01:46:33,692
Speaker 11: the event of a power cuts. The best way to

2244
01:46:33,772 --> 01:46:34,972
Speaker 11: heat your house I reckon.

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01:46:35,612 --> 01:46:37,732
Speaker 2: Is anyone allowed to run coal anywhere in the country,

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01:46:37,772 --> 01:46:40,052
Speaker 2: because when I was growing up in Dunedin, I loved

2247
01:46:40,093 --> 01:46:41,652
Speaker 2: the smell of coal when I was running back from

2248
01:46:41,732 --> 01:46:44,572
Speaker 2: the you know, coming home, running home from footy. I

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01:46:44,612 --> 01:46:45,652
Speaker 2: remember it really distinctly.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well that's a good bish. Woodsman manufacturers and the

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01:46:49,532 --> 01:46:52,333
Speaker 11: other brands manufacture what we call a multi fuel fire.

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01:46:52,893 --> 01:46:55,612
Speaker 11: So a multi fuel fire has the ability to burn

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01:46:55,732 --> 01:46:59,093
Speaker 11: both wood and coal. So it has an ash pan

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01:46:59,253 --> 01:47:03,213
Speaker 11: underneath the firebox and a great and a great so

2255
01:47:03,412 --> 01:47:06,772
Speaker 11: you get more oxygenated air in there for burning coal,

2256
01:47:06,853 --> 01:47:08,852
Speaker 11: but you know, you get an extra We ended burn

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01:47:08,933 --> 01:47:11,333
Speaker 11: time burning coal and they put out.

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01:47:11,532 --> 01:47:12,892
Speaker 19: A of a lot of heat.

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01:47:13,492 --> 01:47:15,412
Speaker 11: So yes, a multi fuel fire can burn coal. And

2260
01:47:15,452 --> 01:47:17,572
Speaker 11: if you've got an open fire, I guess you could

2261
01:47:17,612 --> 01:47:19,452
Speaker 11: chuck some coal on that as well if you wanted to.

2262
01:47:19,612 --> 01:47:25,132
Speaker 2: But yeah, so well, interms of people that environmentally minded,

2263
01:47:25,173 --> 01:47:28,053
Speaker 2: there's absolutely nothing wrong with burning wood because obviously that's,

2264
01:47:28,173 --> 01:47:31,013
Speaker 2: as I saying before, that's completely sustainable. It's above it's

2265
01:47:31,013 --> 01:47:33,333
Speaker 2: above the ground, and the trees grow, you burn them.

2266
01:47:33,652 --> 01:47:34,133
Speaker 3: It's all good.

2267
01:47:34,173 --> 01:47:36,293
Speaker 2: You're just putting the same carbon back into the atmosphere

2268
01:47:36,412 --> 01:47:38,852
Speaker 2: as was already there. That you know that, you know,

2269
01:47:38,933 --> 01:47:40,452
Speaker 2: the stuff you dig out of the ground is the

2270
01:47:40,933 --> 01:47:43,053
Speaker 2: stuff that people get really upseet. What kind of water

2271
01:47:43,053 --> 01:47:45,012
Speaker 2: are people burning in those wood burners?

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01:47:45,093 --> 01:47:45,253
Speaker 4: Might?

2273
01:47:46,772 --> 01:47:49,452
Speaker 11: Yes, So there are different types of what obviously, as

2274
01:47:49,492 --> 01:47:52,572
Speaker 11: a gentleman mentioned earlier on old Man Pine, we probably

2275
01:47:52,893 --> 01:47:55,133
Speaker 11: quite a start away from old Man Pine because it's

2276
01:47:55,612 --> 01:47:59,372
Speaker 11: quite synonymous for pre asserting and blocking up flu. You

2277
01:47:59,492 --> 01:48:03,293
Speaker 11: want to have wood, that's no doubt for them twenty percent.

2278
01:48:04,333 --> 01:48:06,013
Speaker 11: So a moisture meat is a good thing if you've

2279
01:48:06,013 --> 01:48:07,932
Speaker 11: got a wood burner. You grab a moisture meter from

2280
01:48:08,372 --> 01:48:11,253
Speaker 11: from somewhere and you can test the volume of water

2281
01:48:11,692 --> 01:48:14,253
Speaker 11: inside wood. So it needs to be nice and dry basically.

2282
01:48:14,333 --> 01:48:18,172
Speaker 11: But all different types of pine, macrocarper, blue gums are hardwood,

2283
01:48:19,253 --> 01:48:22,412
Speaker 11: you know, So a mixtor of hardwood and softwood's ultimate

2284
01:48:23,572 --> 01:48:26,772
Speaker 11: fuel for a wood burner. But any types of wood

2285
01:48:26,812 --> 01:48:28,732
Speaker 11: you can burn, Yeah, no problem there.

2286
01:48:28,812 --> 01:48:30,812
Speaker 4: So I'm in the market for wood at the moment.

2287
01:48:31,253 --> 01:48:33,692
Speaker 4: You wouldn't recommend going pure hardwood. I've got to get

2288
01:48:33,692 --> 01:48:35,213
Speaker 4: a what do they call it a hot mix?

2289
01:48:36,853 --> 01:48:38,772
Speaker 11: Yeah, Well, do you pay more for hardwood because it

2290
01:48:38,893 --> 01:48:41,732
Speaker 11: burns longer than pine? But a good mix of both

2291
01:48:41,772 --> 01:48:44,492
Speaker 11: softwood and hardwood, but hardwood is the ultimate. Of course,

2292
01:48:44,612 --> 01:48:48,532
Speaker 11: you get a longer burn time out of it. So yeah,

2293
01:48:48,572 --> 01:48:50,652
Speaker 11: as long as it's good dry wood, you can't go wrong.

2294
01:48:50,732 --> 01:48:50,932
Speaker 9: Mate.

2295
01:48:51,133 --> 01:48:53,572
Speaker 3: What's the name of your company again? We love a

2296
01:48:53,572 --> 01:48:54,052
Speaker 3: free plant.

2297
01:48:55,053 --> 01:48:58,213
Speaker 11: Oh you're so kind mate. I've seen Woodsman fires all

2298
01:48:58,293 --> 01:49:00,813
Speaker 11: over New Zealand. We just shipped directly from the manufacturer

2299
01:49:00,812 --> 01:49:03,732
Speaker 11: here in crisis and Woodsmen are owned by Harris Home

2300
01:49:03,812 --> 01:49:06,173
Speaker 11: Fires and I've been around since eighteen eighty seven. They're

2301
01:49:06,173 --> 01:49:09,452
Speaker 11: a fifth generation family business. This is called your My

2302
01:49:09,612 --> 01:49:12,532
Speaker 11: business is called your store. So your store done ins in.

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01:49:12,652 --> 01:49:16,253
Speaker 11: I just sent a fire to Narawahia this morning, actually

2304
01:49:16,253 --> 01:49:19,253
Speaker 11: at Woodsman Ceremp. Petit just left today. So we send

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01:49:19,293 --> 01:49:21,812
Speaker 11: them all over New Zealand and here in christ which

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01:49:21,853 --> 01:49:25,533
Speaker 11: I can offer people free now obligation supply and installation

2307
01:49:25,652 --> 01:49:28,253
Speaker 11: quotes for both the new build or existing home. So

2308
01:49:28,893 --> 01:49:31,572
Speaker 11: it's going really well. Yes, thanks for the opportunity guys,

2309
01:49:31,612 --> 01:49:33,173
Speaker 11: and appreciate that it wasn't going to tell you that,

2310
01:49:33,293 --> 01:49:34,852
Speaker 11: but anyway, No, we love it.

2311
01:49:34,933 --> 01:49:36,973
Speaker 3: You and you know it when you go give them

2312
01:49:36,973 --> 01:49:37,293
Speaker 3: the chance.

2313
01:49:37,372 --> 01:49:39,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kevin, I look at get Serene Petit as well.

2314
01:49:39,372 --> 01:49:42,692
Speaker 4: Beautiful looking fire right. We've got plenty of calls coming through, oh,

2315
01:49:42,732 --> 01:49:44,173
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you want to

2316
01:49:44,253 --> 01:49:45,372
Speaker 4: join in. It's quarter to.

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01:49:45,412 --> 01:49:49,652
Speaker 1: Four Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon

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01:49:49,772 --> 01:49:53,532
Speaker 1: rolls on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons news talks.

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01:49:53,532 --> 01:49:56,093
Speaker 4: They'd be good afternoon. We've been talking about fireplaces and

2320
01:49:56,173 --> 01:49:57,893
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of text have been coming through on

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01:49:58,013 --> 01:50:01,333
Speaker 4: nine to two. Nine to two. But let's go to Georgie.

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01:50:01,333 --> 01:50:03,652
Speaker 6: Get a Georgie Hello, Tyler.

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01:50:04,772 --> 01:50:08,173
Speaker 15: We had two multi fuels putting at different times and

2324
01:50:08,452 --> 01:50:11,213
Speaker 15: on the coast, which of course is different rules. But

2325
01:50:13,372 --> 01:50:18,013
Speaker 15: when we went there there was an open fire with

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01:50:18,173 --> 01:50:21,772
Speaker 15: a brick chimney. So we had a younger put in

2327
01:50:21,973 --> 01:50:26,492
Speaker 15: the fireplace, you know, set in one and that was

2328
01:50:27,293 --> 01:50:33,293
Speaker 15: Yunker what's a young That was the brand. It's the ones,

2329
01:50:33,492 --> 01:50:37,053
Speaker 15: you know, the ones with the door and the yeah,

2330
01:50:38,013 --> 01:50:40,893
Speaker 15: And that was set in the fireplace. And then in

2331
01:50:41,253 --> 01:50:45,213
Speaker 15: two thousand and three we had the house altered and

2332
01:50:46,452 --> 01:50:49,612
Speaker 15: we had a little chippy to heat the water at

2333
01:50:49,652 --> 01:50:53,692
Speaker 15: that time, so we had one fire put in which

2334
01:50:53,893 --> 01:50:57,412
Speaker 15: was a fissure there made in Westport. It was a

2335
01:50:57,532 --> 01:51:00,933
Speaker 15: multi fuel as well, so we had to get the

2336
01:51:01,053 --> 01:51:04,892
Speaker 15: chimney taken out and it was a free standing one

2337
01:51:05,492 --> 01:51:09,333
Speaker 15: so it had the silver it was black but or

2338
01:51:09,452 --> 01:51:15,732
Speaker 15: silver on the outside. The flu tight chimney for that one. Yeah, yeah,

2339
01:51:15,853 --> 01:51:21,093
Speaker 15: but you have restrictions because I don't know how you

2340
01:51:21,253 --> 01:51:23,772
Speaker 15: go for the built in one, but someone who knew

2341
01:51:23,772 --> 01:51:27,092
Speaker 15: about it did it. Because you'd have to have the fire.

2342
01:51:27,133 --> 01:51:29,532
Speaker 15: It wouldn't be too bad when you had the brick chimney,

2343
01:51:29,532 --> 01:51:32,053
Speaker 15: I imagine, but for the other one you had to

2344
01:51:32,133 --> 01:51:35,972
Speaker 15: be so far away from anything look auld burn, of course,

2345
01:51:36,692 --> 01:51:40,133
Speaker 15: and we had a metal kind of a back drop

2346
01:51:40,293 --> 01:51:43,213
Speaker 15: thing on the wall nice where the chimney was, and

2347
01:51:43,293 --> 01:51:45,532
Speaker 15: then you had to have something around where the flue

2348
01:51:45,612 --> 01:51:48,972
Speaker 15: goes up, I think. But as far as what were

2349
01:51:49,013 --> 01:51:53,333
Speaker 15: you talking about cleaning the chimney. When we had the

2350
01:51:53,452 --> 01:51:55,772
Speaker 15: brick chimney, the kids used to get up there and

2351
01:51:55,853 --> 01:51:59,012
Speaker 15: you just had to lean the ladder against the brick

2352
01:51:59,133 --> 01:52:04,133
Speaker 15: chimney and just use the brushes. But when we got

2353
01:52:04,293 --> 01:52:07,812
Speaker 15: the other one, it was more difficult because we couldn't

2354
01:52:07,893 --> 01:52:11,852
Speaker 15: lean a ladder against it, so we had to have

2355
01:52:12,053 --> 01:52:17,013
Speaker 15: a step ladder and do it with the brushes that way, right. Well,

2356
01:52:17,372 --> 01:52:20,492
Speaker 15: sometimes after the kids were gone there, so we've got

2357
01:52:20,572 --> 01:52:23,652
Speaker 15: people to do it for us. But my husband used

2358
01:52:23,652 --> 01:52:26,612
Speaker 15: to get me to get up there and bang the

2359
01:52:26,732 --> 01:52:30,333
Speaker 15: chimney to get it, get the stuffed fell down out.

2360
01:52:30,213 --> 01:52:32,333
Speaker 3: Of it, get the stiff coming down, you know, anyway

2361
01:52:32,412 --> 01:52:33,173
Speaker 3: you can make it work.

2362
01:52:33,293 --> 01:52:35,053
Speaker 4: Nobody wants that job, apart from the kids. Of course.

2363
01:52:35,772 --> 01:52:38,972
Speaker 3: You wait till that fat bastard center once a year

2364
01:52:39,013 --> 01:52:39,572
Speaker 3: comes down there.

2365
01:52:39,933 --> 01:52:41,852
Speaker 4: Yeahdy, he cleans that out pretty well.

2366
01:52:41,853 --> 01:52:42,732
Speaker 3: He touches the side.

2367
01:52:43,372 --> 01:52:46,692
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's the perfect chimney, chimney cleaner, our listeners

2368
01:52:46,692 --> 01:52:52,293
Speaker 4: with Danny, Get Danny, Yeah, home now firewood you reckon.

2369
01:52:52,333 --> 01:52:53,572
Speaker 4: You've got a bunch of free flywood.

2370
01:52:54,532 --> 01:52:56,492
Speaker 14: Well, there's tons of free foward out that you've got

2371
01:52:56,532 --> 01:52:58,692
Speaker 14: to know where to look for it. We've got a

2372
01:52:58,933 --> 01:53:02,532
Speaker 14: life sentence block. This is about half a kilometer of

2373
01:53:02,732 --> 01:53:05,213
Speaker 14: dead trees, mature, dead and live trees that we've been

2374
01:53:05,253 --> 01:53:08,692
Speaker 14: pulling out and we're advertising on Facebook Marketplace. Look, trees

2375
01:53:08,692 --> 01:53:10,812
Speaker 14: are free for removal. Bring your chain saw, bring your

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Speaker 14: trailer and.

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Speaker 9: Go for gold.

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Speaker 14: And probably hundreds of cubes of firewoods gone out our gate.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to say correct and correct correcer.

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Speaker 4: Okay, not far from the rugby club, right, So what's

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Speaker 4: your what's your health and safety policy? Like if I

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Speaker 4: turn up with a chainsaw and done in my.

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Speaker 14: Life, I've got I've got the sheet of rules.

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Speaker 24: You have your own own PP.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the sort that one. Unfortunately you've got to

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Speaker 14: look too it into consideration these days.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, just when someone must the eye goggles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when someone like chopping their foot off

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Speaker 2: and deafening themselves and getting a splinter in their eye

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Speaker 2: on your life sentence block, do you, Danny, didn't you

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Speaker 2: have to.

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Speaker 14: Make a hell of a miss Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Would Yeah, all right, that's a that's a good tip.

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Speaker 4: I over think about that.

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Speaker 14: Look on Facebook marketplace and there's lots people sell wood

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Speaker 14: that's you know, split and chopped and everything. You pay

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Speaker 14: for that, but if you're prepared to top up yourself

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Speaker 14: and take away, then you know that there is plenty

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Speaker 14: of free stuff out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Danny.

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Speaker 4: Great tap right, We're going to play some messages and

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Speaker 4: then we'll finish up with a couple of texts if

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Speaker 4: you want to send a text through this full Time

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Speaker 4: nine two ninety two. It is eight to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 8: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: News talks. There'd be a couple of texts to finish this.

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Speaker 4: We've got hundreds and hundreds about the good old fireplace.

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Speaker 2: Hey, so many people are talking about palette fire p

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Speaker 2: E l E. T fires awesome, clean burning, less mess

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Speaker 2: onless instant, not quite heat, no no need to chop

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Speaker 2: or stack wood. So that you've had one of these,

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Speaker 2: haven't you this? Yeah, that's text from Russell.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for that.

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Speaker 4: We've got one in our place. Yeah, down in christ

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Speaker 4: Jute And look that's super efficient and it's still a

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Speaker 4: real flame. So you buy the packs of palettes from

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Speaker 4: Bunning's or Minor ten. It's about ten bucks for a

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Speaker 4: twenty kilo. That would easily asked us a week and

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Speaker 4: it was about five bucks ten bucks but good. Not

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Speaker 4: as good as the real thing though, right, because I

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Speaker 4: can't what I want to burn in it.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you have to get the prescribed fuel. And

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Speaker 2: they're quite enclosed day they sort of stand. They're sort

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Speaker 2: of more upright than they are across, is that right.

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Speaker 4: So it kind of looks like a free standing and

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Speaker 4: you put it on the top. There's a hopper that

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Speaker 4: goes in and just feeds these little pellets in and

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Speaker 4: it's got a fan that blasts out the heat. I mean,

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Speaker 4: super If you want a warm house, the pellete fire

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Speaker 4: will crank it.

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Speaker 2: You're not the same and they're not quite the same,

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Speaker 2: but still better than nothing. Macrocarver sparks, I mean, much

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Speaker 2: better than not having a fire, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Macrocopa sparks you do not want them for an open

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Speaker 2: fire unless you want to attract attention from the fire brigade.

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Speaker 2: So when's that fire brigade strike? Don't fire up the

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Speaker 2: macrocarpa when the fire departments on strike. All right, what

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Speaker 2: a fantastic chat that was about fires and such.

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Speaker 3: How good? Hey, thanks so much for listening, and thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for all your texts and calls. It's

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Speaker 3: been a really really fun show. My good buddy, the

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Speaker 3: powerful Heather Dupercy Ellen is next. But Tyler, yes, why

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Speaker 3: would I be playing this song?

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Speaker 4: Is this the police?

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Speaker 9: Yep?

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Speaker 3: I've got no idea what the name of the song

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Speaker 3: is the King of Pain because we talked about tramadoles

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Speaker 3: for two hours on radio. All right, then, okay, you've

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Speaker 3: seen busy until tomorrow afternoon. Give me a taste of

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Speaker 3: the key from us. All right, Absolute Chune

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