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Speaker 2: Welcome to podcasts three hundred and one for September tenth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. If you look into the podcast rearview mirror,

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Speaker 2: it's obvious that James Allen makes appearances irregularly but at

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Speaker 2: the same time consistently. That's because he's knowledgeable, reliable, opinionated

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Speaker 2: and entertaining. It's also because his academic reputation and common

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Speaker 2: three ZHO one we start by comparing the Anglo democracies

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Speaker 2: and which at the moment is or are the most successful.

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Speaker 2: It is Professor Jim Allen in full flow. And let's

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Speaker 2: not forget that he was eleven years teaching at the

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Speaker 2: He's also worked and studied in other universities around the world.

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Speaker 2: But James Allen is not just a law professor, is

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Speaker 2: also an author, an economist, judicial activism, broken legacy, media,

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Speaker 2: Israel and Gaza, immigration and net zero are all matters

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Speaker 2: that get attention in podcasts three oh one, But there

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Speaker 2: is a lot more. Now. There was one matter that

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Speaker 2: I was going to raise with the good professor, but

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Speaker 2: he and I decided not to. Neither of us was

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Speaker 2: in the mood at the time. However, I am going

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Speaker 2: the mail room and discuss it in some well with brevity,

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Speaker 2: I hope, but with some feeling from more than one angle.

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Speaker 2: Now that's got you interested, hasn't it. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: over the past decade, there has been an explosion of

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Speaker 2: interest in indigenous knowledge. The United States, Canada, Australia and

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Speaker 2: by applying it to everything from public health to climate change.

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Speaker 2: The appeal is both understandable and alluring. For millennia, indigenous

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Speaker 2: cultures have accumulated a vast repository of information that has

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Speaker 2: helped them to adapt and survive. Now, while these achievements

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Speaker 2: In Australia, attempts to incorporate the Aboriginal practice of spiritual

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Speaker 2: as it involves a belief in sorcery and supernatural intrusions

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Speaker 2: rather than biological agents. In the United States, alternative treatments

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Speaker 2: include Native American herbal remedies, spiritual ceremonies, and sweat lodgers.

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Speaker 2: The use of these untested therapies divert valuable resources away

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Speaker 2: some cases, cancer patients have refused proven treatments for traditional remedies. Now,

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Speaker 2: that some people are prepared to try something different after

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Speaker 2: me carry on the rise of indigenous pseudoscience. Nowhere has

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Speaker 2: the trend of embracing indigenous knowledge gained more of a

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Speaker 2: government has given its equal status with science in the

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Speaker 2: school qualification system. This elevation has resulted in many grandiose

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Speaker 2: claims about the of the Marie Lunar Calendar to influence

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Speaker 2: There is no evidence to support this claim. Many factors

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Speaker 2: And then, on August twenty seven in The Australian, Janet Elbertson,

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Speaker 2: Graham's comments to a parliamentary committee or inquiry that trans

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Speaker 2: laugh material. However, the infestation of such ridiculous folly at

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Speaker 2: abandonment of simple common sense by so called progressives is

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Speaker 2: for you at your leisure, So after a short break,

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Speaker 2: Professor James Allans. Leverrix is an antihistamine made in Switzerland

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Speaker 2: Auckland Layton Smith now Professor James Allan's very good to

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Speaker 2: have you back on the podcast. I appreciate it as always.

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Speaker 4: Good, Thank you Layton, and I'm nice to year back

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Speaker 4: from your European vacation.

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Speaker 2: Well it was. It was interesting because you went first

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Speaker 2: But you spent a lot of time in Scotland. I

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Speaker 4: Wife would always wanted to do one of those walks

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Speaker 3: So it was just magnificent. The scenery was terrific.

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Speaker 3: In New Zealand did they have these tremendous distilleries.

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Speaker 2: Well, something was I can't I can't drink whiskey at all.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want to anyway. Let me quote you

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Speaker 2: something to kick us off. When governments adopt policies that

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Speaker 2: by grounding laws in shared realities and common values. Ignoring

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Speaker 4: Actually, so, every every point of view is grounded in

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Speaker 4: So you can't pass laws that aren't grounded in some

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Speaker 4: now where everything seems to be more and more contentious.

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Speaker 4: What do we want to do about mass migration? What

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Speaker 4: do we want to do about the economy? You know,

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Speaker 4: what do we want to do about transgender Do you

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Speaker 4: believe in merit or do you believe in diversity, equity, inclusion,

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Speaker 4: there's no sort of magical middle ground that somehow the

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Speaker 4: like the elected government to be making the decisions, but

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Speaker 2: Out of the anglosphere governments around the world, the Bible,

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Speaker 2: all of this the best?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you and I both would agree on this.

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Speaker 4: I think late in that the Americans are half saving

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Speaker 3: In the politicians anywhere else.

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Speaker 4: And so you can't go down the identity politics road

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Speaker 3: And if you believe in merit, you have.

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Speaker 4: To do everything in your power to crush the I

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Speaker 4: think it's Stephen Pinker, who's a man of the political left,

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Speaker 4: let's not forget that, who likes to quote Voltaire's famous

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Speaker 4: And he says, and that's true of diversity, equity, and inclusion.

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Speaker 4: Come on, they have completely lost the plot where they

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Speaker 4: they send five armed police officers to to arrest a

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Speaker 4: comedian who's visiting the UK because you know, they don't

436
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Speaker 4: like his transgendered tweets and he's been charged anti transgender tweets.

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Speaker 4: You know, free speech is in a seriously woeful way

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Speaker 4: in Britain. And I'm a huge anglophile, but it's it's

439
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Speaker 4: an embarrassment. And partly it's the senior police officers who

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Speaker 4: have been put into these roles on sort of affirmative

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Speaker 4: action grounds, and they have I don't think they carry

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Speaker 4: the majority of the police officers on the beat. But

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Speaker 4: the trouble is, you know, and the thing is, conservative

444
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Speaker 4: politicians get into power and they don't do anything about it.

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Speaker 4: They pass some of the laws, they get weaponized against them.

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Speaker 4: The test as a conservative is imagine your enemies would do.

447
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Speaker 4: How is there any way your enemies could use this

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Speaker 4: law in the most terrible way against you, Because they will,

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Speaker 4: and they don't seem to get that. They pass these

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Speaker 4: laws and you know, they're weaponized against people, and then.

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Speaker 3: They go, we didn't see this coming.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, the political class around the anglosphere on

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Speaker 4: the right side of politics is just shockingly bad. And

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Speaker 4: then so people say to me, well, you know, I

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Speaker 4: don't like Trump's personality, or he's a boorish sort of

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Speaker 4: cross guy who's you.

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Speaker 2: Know, they got brainwashed by a corrupt media right from

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Speaker 2: the get go. Not just a corrupt media, but a

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Speaker 2: corrupt government in the United States in particular.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And Trump has his undesirable aspects not so many now

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Speaker 2: as he did before.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean he's doing he's doing.

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Speaker 4: I mean you always buy people wholesale, not retail. And

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Speaker 4: the kind of person who'll stand up to the relentless

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Speaker 4: legacy media attacks, which is about ninety six percent negative

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Speaker 4: for Trump. He could walk on water and they'd you know,

468
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Speaker 4: they'd be critiquing him. But the kind of person who

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Speaker 4: can stand up to that and trying to put him

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Speaker 4: in jail for life with what we're you know, bogus

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Speaker 4: criminal charges in my view, even getting convicted in New

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Speaker 4: York City on a charge that didn't even exist. They

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Speaker 4: made it up, and they try to bankrupt all The

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Speaker 4: kind of person who can stand for that and not

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Speaker 4: Buckle is not probably going to be the kind of

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Speaker 4: person you'll find out a middle class dinner party on

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Speaker 4: a Saturday night. He's going to be, you know, pretty

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Speaker 4: rough edges. I don't really care about that. I think

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Speaker 4: the most important thing right now, and given the state

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Speaker 4: of the West, is bravery.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I want for almost.

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Speaker 4: Anything, any appointment, anything, I want someone, you know, really,

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Speaker 4: the test for Rad's Center appointments is has this person

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Speaker 4: been hated already? And if they've been hated, how did

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Speaker 4: they respond to that? Were they brave or did they

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Speaker 4: back there? And that's the only criterion for appointments, right

487
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Speaker 4: because if you think you're going to appoint some quiet

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Speaker 4: person who's kept his or her head down for the

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Speaker 4: last three years and never uttered a peep, but you're

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Speaker 4: going to put them in some rule and they're going

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Speaker 4: to become brave, you're just deluding yourself. People who haven't

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Speaker 4: been brave yet aren't going to become brave.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of delusion that goes on at

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Speaker 2: this point of time. Yeah, I experienced somebody yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: hit a discussion with someone I'm very close close to

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Speaker 2: who and I advise my listeners not to try and

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Speaker 2: guess because they won't and they might misallocate their feelings.

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Speaker 2: But it was obvious right from the I had to

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Speaker 2: be very careful right from the beginning that the brainwashing

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Speaker 2: had taken place there was no room for any adjustment yet.

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Speaker 2: But I haven't stopped. I haven't given up.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's hard to news dealing because you really don't

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Speaker 4: have any much rightst center media.

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Speaker 3: You've got podcasters like you.

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Speaker 4: I guess you have Sky to the extent they run

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Speaker 4: the Australian Sky after dark shows, but it's I don't

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Speaker 4: know if they do or not. But the newspapers are

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Speaker 4: lost cause largely do you still have the National Business Review?

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Speaker 2: It still exists, but I'm not sure in what condition. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 2: you're you're right about the You're right about the media,

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Speaker 2: and there isn't a great deal of adjustment even after

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Speaker 2: what we've what we've been through. Uh, and there's there's

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Speaker 2: so much falsehood that is maintained by that media that

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Speaker 2: you just you just don't know, really.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 4: Some people open their eyes during COVID and you can

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Speaker 4: see that, you know, they were just.

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Speaker 3: Flat out line, we're all in this together. While the

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Speaker 3: disease was.

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Speaker 4: The virus was one thousand to ten thousand times more

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Speaker 4: virulent against over seventy fives than anyone under thirty, that

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Speaker 4: we weren't all in it together, and you know, masking

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Speaker 4: really there was never a.

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Speaker 3: Study that showed it did much.

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Speaker 4: And the social distancing rules were just made up out

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Speaker 4: of thin air, and they never actually tested the vaccines

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Speaker 4: for transmission.

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Speaker 3: And when you find this all, let you start thinking

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Speaker 3: this was just.

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Speaker 4: A I mean, they justified it to themselves, thinking they

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Speaker 4: were going to save lives. But it's never a good

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Speaker 4: idea to systematically lie to people because when you get

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Speaker 4: found out, people aren't going to believe you again. So

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Speaker 4: there you go, and I agree with you on anything

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Speaker 4: political or to do with the US. You just cannot

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Speaker 4: trust what you see coming from the public broadcasters in

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Speaker 4: Canada or Britain or Australia, I assume New Zealand as well.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Correct, I've never quoted David Flint before, but I'm

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Speaker 2: going to briefly under the heading of a defenseless, debt

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Speaker 2: ridden and derelict. If the recent prediction in The Australian

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Speaker 2: that the Alberzi government will be in power for at

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Speaker 2: least nine years, perhaps longer is accurate, the results will

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Speaker 2: be a significant decline in both the wealth and well

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Speaker 2: being of Australians. This is the most left wing government

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Speaker 2: in the history of the nation, derelict in its duties

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Speaker 2: and already delivering a defenseless and debt ridden Australia. How

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Speaker 2: let me include the next line. While the leadership purports

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Speaker 2: to be in the political center, it is at heart

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Speaker 2: locked into some Marxist time warm. How does it happen

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Speaker 2: Andrews is gone, but still his shadow seems to look

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Speaker 2: all over Victoria.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean, I think Dave's probably right, and

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Speaker 4: we could argue about whether it's the Whitlam government was

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Speaker 4: more left wing than Albys, but I mean the.

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Speaker 3: Problem right now is that there's no opposition.

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Speaker 4: So as you say, in Victoria, the Dan Andrews, he

557
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Speaker 4: stepped down eventually, the thug who took us to Victoria

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Speaker 4: through COVID, and you know, spent a fortune and replaced

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Speaker 4: by Jacinta Allen and she's at least as left wing

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Speaker 4: as he is. And you know they'll win the next

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Speaker 4: election because the opposition Liberal Party doesn't disagree with them

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Speaker 4: on very much at all. And they had a leader

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Speaker 4: called John Pasuto who got sued by one of his

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Speaker 4: own MPs and he lost the defamation case because he

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Speaker 4: basically she was at a women for Women's Spaces thing.

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Speaker 4: And of course they're the Liberal parties terrified at the

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Speaker 4: transgender lobby and during this female MP's rally with other women,

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Speaker 4: including some famous British women, you know, some of the

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Speaker 4: neo Nazi's got in ba behind them and they took

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Speaker 4: a picture and he implied that she was a neo Nazi,

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Speaker 4: and you know, she sued him and he was encouraged

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Speaker 4: to subtle. He didn't do it, and so he's lost

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Speaker 4: the cost ruling. I don't know if that's come out yet,

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Speaker 4: but he's he's basically he would have been bankrupted except

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Speaker 4: that the Victoria Liberal Party opted to, you know, lend

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Speaker 4: them some money so he wouldn't be bankrupted. They say

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Speaker 4: it's because they don't want to lose his seat in

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Speaker 4: that by election. If he were made bankrupt, you have

579
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Speaker 4: to step down. But you know, they don't disagree on anything.

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Speaker 4: You can't get liberal parties to say we need to

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Speaker 4: pull out a net zero, which is really it's a

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Speaker 4: form of being able to think clearly. Where the five

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Speaker 4: biggest misters in.

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Speaker 3: The world have all given up on net zero and.

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Speaker 4: Most European countries aren't really paying too much attention to it.

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Speaker 4: Why is Australia fanatically committed to net zero. It's impoverishing us.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we we could go back to the

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Speaker 4: Stone Age tomorrow and it would make no difference to

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Speaker 4: the rate of increase in the world's temperature. So at

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Speaker 4: that point you have to say, well, why are we

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Speaker 4: doing this? And the only possible answer anyone could give

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Speaker 4: as well, we're going to be a moral beacon to

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Speaker 4: the Chinese poll up your We're going to be a

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Speaker 4: moral beacon to you know, developing India. We're going to

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Speaker 4: be a moral beacon to mister Trump. It's it's just daft.

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Speaker 2: And so who's the who's the austrade in medicine?

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Speaker 3: Uh Bowen, that's right, Think that's right. But you know

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Speaker 3: they're they're committed. But again we should be committed.

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Speaker 4: Well maybe, but you know, we've got a we've got

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Speaker 4: a coalition liberal opposition leaders Susan Leey who's to the

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Speaker 4: far left of the party, Groom and she she basically

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Speaker 4: can't find anything to disagree with Labor.

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Speaker 3: So that's why they keep winning.

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Speaker 4: You know, opposition parties are meant to oppose, and we

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Speaker 4: have a real problem in Australia with our voting system.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of first past the post, one

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Speaker 4: that New Zealand gave up on in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 4: But you know, there's two kinds of voting systems. There's

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Speaker 4: majoritarian voting systems and there's proportional. On majoritarian ones force

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Speaker 4: two big tent groupings to come up with some kind

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Speaker 4: of compromise manifesto and put it to the voters. So

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Speaker 4: the compromising is done before the election. And all proportional systems,

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Speaker 4: whether they're delivered on a list system like New Zealand

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Speaker 4: and Germany, or they're done through multi member constituencies like

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Speaker 4: Ireland besk TV that kind of thing. If you have

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Speaker 4: a proportional system, it's designed so that no one party

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Speaker 4: wins government. So these parties go in and they make

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Speaker 4: every promise under the sun, knowing they will never be

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Speaker 4: in a position to deliver on them because they will

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Speaker 4: never win a majority. And after the election you get

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Speaker 4: all the compromising and bargaining so between East, between ACT

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Speaker 4: and New Zealand First and the National Party there and

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Speaker 4: so it's all done away from the oversight of the votvoters.

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Speaker 4: So I like first past the post. I know that

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Speaker 4: sometimes it means you win forty percent of the vote

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Speaker 4: and you get sixty percent of the seats, but that's

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Speaker 4: a small price to pay. Now, Australia has a variant

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Speaker 4: of majoritarian voting system. It's ranked choice voting or alternative votes,

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Speaker 4: so effect are preferential voting.

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Speaker 3: So you walk in in you number everything every candidate

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Speaker 3: from one to ten.

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Speaker 4: When you have two functioning political parties, preferential voting is fine.

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Speaker 4: But when the Conservative Party becomes one centimeter to the

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Speaker 4: right of the Labor Party, about how the electorate is

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Speaker 4: disenfranchised and there's nothing you can do about it because

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Speaker 4: there's no way under preferential voting for a sort of

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Speaker 4: rebellious upstart party, like a reform with Nogel frage. You know,

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Speaker 4: you can blow up the two main parties under first

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Speaker 4: past the post. Doesn't happen very often, but you can

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Speaker 4: do it. It's possible with ranked choice voting. And so

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00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:14,413
Speaker 4: you know, we're we have a broken voting system right

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00:38:14,453 --> 00:38:19,333
Speaker 4: now and people are fleeing from the Liberal Party. So

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Speaker 4: so Canada has about seven hundred and fifty thousand members

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Speaker 4: in the Conservative Party because the vote the party members

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Speaker 4: picked the leader. Australia's Liberal Party has twenty or thirty

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Speaker 4: thousand members and the conservative people are leaving because they

647
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Speaker 4: have really no say and we have you know, half

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Speaker 4: to more than half the party room are progressive, woke,

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Speaker 4: left wing types who maybe are a bit centrist on

650
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Speaker 4: economic issues. And so at the last election in Australia

651
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Speaker 4: here in April or May, they went to the electric

652
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Speaker 4: with nothing. They didn't say we're going to get rid

653
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Speaker 4: of that zero. They didn't say we're going to slash immigration.

654
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Speaker 4: You know, they went with, you know, cut the price

655
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Speaker 4: of gasoline for a year. I mean, they did make

656
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Speaker 4: noises about nuclear which would have been fine, but they

657
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Speaker 4: stopped talking about that.

658
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Speaker 3: And you think this.

659
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Speaker 4: Is a terrible government and you're fighting on no fronts.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you can see that in all sorts

661
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Speaker 4: of countries, and when you look at European countries with

662
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Speaker 4: proportional voting, these sort of the sort of what are

663
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Speaker 4: labeled populist parties are getting ever more popular and they're

664
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Speaker 4: winning elections all through Europe. And by populous, of course,

665
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Speaker 4: the sort of establishment means we don't agree with you.

666
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Speaker 4: If you ask them to define populists, it basically they can't.

667
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Speaker 4: We don't like your policies because you know, they're slightly

668
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Speaker 4: conservative and they want a limited immigration and you know

669
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Speaker 4: they're not not in love with.

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Speaker 3: The elite institutions.

671
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Speaker 4: But so what I mean, there's nothing to love about

672
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Speaker 4: the elite institutions right now.

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Speaker 2: Having having spent time in London two weeks just race,

674
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Speaker 2: I was disappointed in a number of things. Take Oxford

675
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Speaker 2: Street for instance. The advice to us when we were

676
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Speaker 2: going into Oxford Street on a Sunday was don't do it,

677
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Speaker 2: and any other time was do not walk around with

678
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Speaker 2: your phone in your hand because the young crims and

679
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Speaker 2: we saw some of them on bikes, actually young guys

680
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Speaker 2: mid teens. Anyway, that's not the point. The point is

681
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Speaker 2: that you were not safe in Oxford Street under almost

682
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Speaker 2: any circumstances. Now, that didn't stop the crowds coming. And

683
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Speaker 2: most of those crowds, I have to say, we're visitors

684
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Speaker 2: from far away places. Now you could tell by their dress,

685
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Speaker 2: for instance. But the agro with regard to crime in

686
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Speaker 2: the street is just well, it's extraordinary. I've already given

687
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Speaker 2: you an example of the shoplifter, but this was one

688
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Speaker 2: step up from that.

689
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what I said that late Both our

690
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Speaker 3: kids live in London.

691
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Speaker 4: My daughter's coming back to Utarlia, but we go once

692
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Speaker 4: or twice a year. In fact, for the last three

693
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Speaker 4: or four years, including through COVID, we've gone to London,

694
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Speaker 4: And I would sort of disagree in this way. Yes,

695
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:23,053
Speaker 4: phone theft is probably the biggest in Europe in London,

696
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Speaker 4: but London's crime rate in terms of violent crime so murders, say,

697
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Speaker 4: would be a fraction of a fraction of what Washington,

698
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Speaker 4: DC is now after the Trump surge of policing. So

699
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Speaker 4: I mean, the murder rate in London is minute compared

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Speaker 4: to most big US cities. And at Oxford Street I

701
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Speaker 4: walk on all the time. I think no one's getting

702
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Speaker 4: murdered on Oxford Street, and I don't think anyone's getting

703
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Speaker 4: raped on Oxford Street.

704
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Speaker 3: Maybe if you go to the East end of London.

705
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Speaker 4: But what you will find is your phone will be

706
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Speaker 4: stolen if you're carrying it in your hand.

707
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Speaker 2: You have to be a bit careful, so not just

708
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Speaker 2: find something ed it's women's.

709
00:42:06,813 --> 00:42:08,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that would happen too.

710
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Speaker 4: But the kind of things you really violent crime you

711
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:18,333
Speaker 4: see in the US, you really don't see it in Europe.

712
00:42:18,613 --> 00:42:21,373
Speaker 4: I think the statistics are pretty clear on that, but

713
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Speaker 4: I'm not I mean I'm not happy with the policing.

714
00:42:23,493 --> 00:42:26,413
Speaker 4: I think you know, if you got burgled and London,

715
00:42:26,453 --> 00:42:28,733
Speaker 4: the police would probably never come to your door. They'd

716
00:42:28,973 --> 00:42:30,973
Speaker 4: give you the little form you need for your insurance

717
00:42:30,973 --> 00:42:31,653
Speaker 4: and that would be it.

718
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Speaker 3: So I'm not condoning it.

719
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Speaker 4: I just think anyone who tells you you can't walk

720
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Speaker 4: around the core London tourist area because you'll you'll be

721
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Speaker 4: attacked as wrong. We walk through Region Parks, Hyde Park

722
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Speaker 4: maybe at nights. As a woman, you might not want

723
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Speaker 4: to walk around Regent's Park.

724
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Speaker 2: But well, I don't know whether you saw the story

725
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Speaker 2: of the She had been a newsreader on television and

726
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Speaker 2: I think she was around I'm guessing around the seventy

727
00:43:03,413 --> 00:43:10,453
Speaker 2: age Marc. She came out of the bookshop Waterstone, Waterstone right,

728
00:43:11,693 --> 00:43:16,493
Speaker 2: and she came out and she was taken from behind

729
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Speaker 2: by a guy who kicked her in the back of

730
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Speaker 2: the knee. So she went down and turned out that

731
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Speaker 2: she was surrounded by a bunch of males and females,

732
00:43:26,053 --> 00:43:30,053
Speaker 2: all well dressed apparently according to her, and they got

733
00:43:30,093 --> 00:43:33,453
Speaker 2: a purse and all took off laughing. That was in

734
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Speaker 2: the middle of the day, and nobody lifted a finger again.

735
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Speaker 4: You know, I think the police were if you tried

736
00:43:39,813 --> 00:43:42,573
Speaker 4: to help the woman, the police would charge you, you

737
00:43:42,733 --> 00:43:45,813
Speaker 4: the helper. So I mean there's a serious problem with

738
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Speaker 4: the way the elites are running the police to the

739
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Speaker 4: we I mean, when you lose James Allen as the

740
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Speaker 4: supporter of the police, you've.

741
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Speaker 3: Got big problems.

742
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Speaker 4: Because I'm a died in the wall proponent of the police.

743
00:43:59,933 --> 00:44:01,013
Speaker 3: I've always supported them.

744
00:44:01,053 --> 00:44:05,373
Speaker 4: I just feel they've become politicized and why again, we'll

745
00:44:05,413 --> 00:44:07,133
Speaker 4: probably come to talk about gramlin Ham.

746
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Speaker 3: But when you're sending five armed police officers to.

747
00:44:10,533 --> 00:44:14,293
Speaker 4: Arrest a guy for tweets he made, which weren't you know,

748
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:17,413
Speaker 4: anything that would be it would be totally legal and

749
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Speaker 4: constitutionally protected in the US, and nobody comes to sort

750
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Speaker 4: of stop shoplifting. Now, partly that's the laws that have

751
00:44:24,413 --> 00:44:28,933
Speaker 4: been enacted and again largely not just labor in the

752
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Speaker 4: in the UK and here in Australia. Right if center

753
00:44:31,853 --> 00:44:38,053
Speaker 4: governments are enacting bad laws, speech inhibiting laws, laws that

754
00:44:38,173 --> 00:44:39,253
Speaker 4: make it, you know, so you.

755
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Speaker 3: Can't prosecute shoplifting.

756
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Speaker 4: So you can't blame the police if they can't prosecute shoplifters.

757
00:44:45,333 --> 00:44:48,573
Speaker 4: That's the fault of the government laws. But the kind

758
00:44:48,653 --> 00:44:51,853
Speaker 4: of uh, you know, it's it's discretionary. As the head

759
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Speaker 4: police chief for the chief for the metropolitan police, how

760
00:44:55,533 --> 00:44:58,573
Speaker 4: you allocate resources and you know they're choosing not to

761
00:44:58,693 --> 00:45:04,733
Speaker 4: send police officers out to deal with robberies burglaries anyway,

762
00:45:05,853 --> 00:45:08,533
Speaker 4: but they choose, yes, we're going to send five oign

763
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Speaker 4: police officers to arrest the comedian. That's that might be

764
00:45:12,453 --> 00:45:15,093
Speaker 4: pertinent because there's a bad law, but this is bad

765
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Speaker 4: police Heathrow.

766
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Speaker 2: Let me let me quote to Jonathan Turley, the law

767
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:25,453
Speaker 2: professor from Washington. Below is my column in Fox dot

768
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Speaker 2: com on the arrest of a well known comedian in

769
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Speaker 2: Great Britain. While the three social media posts in question

770
00:45:31,733 --> 00:45:36,173
Speaker 2: were political commentary rather than jokes, The arrest of Graham

771
00:45:36,373 --> 00:45:40,253
Speaker 2: is it Lenahan? I think so? Double do is the

772
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Speaker 2: is only the latest arrest of a comedian as part

773
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Speaker 2: of a global a global crackdown on free speech. The

774
00:45:46,853 --> 00:45:49,933
Speaker 2: postings would be considered protected speech in the United States

775
00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:54,053
Speaker 2: and should be protected anywhere. The rising censorship is literally

776
00:45:54,173 --> 00:45:57,733
Speaker 2: no joke in various Western countries, and then goes on

777
00:45:57,933 --> 00:46:02,373
Speaker 2: with reprinting his column. The fact that you've got a

778
00:46:02,413 --> 00:46:05,133
Speaker 2: professor of his level, which.

779
00:46:05,013 --> 00:46:07,093
Speaker 3: Is a bit like yours and a man of the

780
00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:08,853
Speaker 3: left originally, let's be clear on a manager.

781
00:46:10,493 --> 00:46:12,613
Speaker 4: Yeah, and all the charges he thinks that were brought

782
00:46:12,613 --> 00:46:15,693
Speaker 4: against the Trump were ridiculous and not ones that could

783
00:46:15,733 --> 00:46:18,053
Speaker 4: be promperly brought.

784
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Speaker 3: Because so he's an honest guy. He's an honest guy.

785
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Speaker 2: Well, he is your your grandfather's Democrat.

786
00:46:26,213 --> 00:46:27,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you're, you're, you're.

787
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Speaker 4: If you asked who is the best Democrat president in

788
00:46:31,893 --> 00:46:35,373
Speaker 4: the last fifty years, I think it's obviously Bill Clinton.

789
00:46:35,493 --> 00:46:39,493
Speaker 4: Whatever you think about his you know, proclivities with the interns,

790
00:46:40,053 --> 00:46:43,693
Speaker 4: he was a you know, he was a very solid Democrat.

791
00:46:44,293 --> 00:46:49,253
Speaker 4: He ran a good economy, brought down welfare so that

792
00:46:49,373 --> 00:46:51,613
Speaker 4: it was they weren't spending a fortune on it. And

793
00:46:52,173 --> 00:46:55,893
Speaker 4: today Bill Clinton would be a Republican. I mean he's

794
00:46:55,973 --> 00:46:58,613
Speaker 4: not because he's you know, he's a he's a legacy

795
00:46:58,773 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 4: Democrat president, but his views would put him squarely in

796
00:47:03,093 --> 00:47:06,653
Speaker 4: the camp of Republicans. And so it's that Ronald reaganlin

797
00:47:07,173 --> 00:47:08,733
Speaker 4: I didn't leave the Democrat Party.

798
00:47:08,773 --> 00:47:09,373
Speaker 3: They left me.

799
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Speaker 4: That's sort of a huge problem. And when Turley says

800
00:47:14,853 --> 00:47:19,213
Speaker 4: there's a big free speech problem, well, once you decide

801
00:47:19,253 --> 00:47:24,013
Speaker 4: to make sensibilities and people's feelings of being offended more

802
00:47:24,093 --> 00:47:28,813
Speaker 4: important than robust debate or humor or anything else. I mean,

803
00:47:29,093 --> 00:47:32,733
Speaker 4: think back to the nineteen seventies with comedians like Don Rickles,

804
00:47:33,173 --> 00:47:36,293
Speaker 4: who in real life was a wonderful human being. Everyone

805
00:47:36,373 --> 00:47:39,613
Speaker 4: says so, but his his stand up routine was brutal.

806
00:47:39,773 --> 00:47:44,933
Speaker 4: He offended every group going everybody, and you know, it

807
00:47:45,173 --> 00:47:51,933
Speaker 4: was funny. But today we have past laws where the

808
00:47:52,053 --> 00:47:57,733
Speaker 4: feeling of being offended trump's any other consideration. Like, you

809
00:47:57,893 --> 00:48:03,133
Speaker 4: cannot run a multi cultural society where offense becomes the

810
00:48:03,253 --> 00:48:06,373
Speaker 4: key thing because then people there's so many things they

811
00:48:06,453 --> 00:48:11,413
Speaker 4: can't say. And when you do that, you just drive

812
00:48:11,693 --> 00:48:14,853
Speaker 4: things underground. I mean, if you stop people from saying

813
00:48:15,093 --> 00:48:18,293
Speaker 4: I think there's too much immigration, they will continue to

814
00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:21,053
Speaker 4: say it. They will just say it underground and it'll festers.

815
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Speaker 4: And these are things that need to be debated. I mean,

816
00:48:23,973 --> 00:48:27,453
Speaker 4: my own personal view is there's too much mass immigration

817
00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:33,173
Speaker 4: right now. We are not assimilating people, and that means that,

818
00:48:34,213 --> 00:48:36,933
Speaker 4: you know, I also think that if you run a

819
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:41,053
Speaker 4: big ticket to mass immigration multicultural country, it makes it

820
00:48:41,173 --> 00:48:44,893
Speaker 4: very difficult to run a welfare state because welfare states

821
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Speaker 4: work where most people don't want to take welfare, the

822
00:48:48,773 --> 00:48:50,773
Speaker 4: sort of attitude that I grew up with. You know,

823
00:48:50,813 --> 00:48:52,853
Speaker 4: I grew up in a pretty working class area. People

824
00:48:52,853 --> 00:48:55,493
Speaker 4: would rather be dead back then than take welfare. The

825
00:48:55,613 --> 00:48:58,973
Speaker 4: minute you lose that attitude, it's just too expensive to

826
00:48:59,053 --> 00:49:02,053
Speaker 4: run a big ticket welfare country and you sort of

827
00:49:02,093 --> 00:49:04,573
Speaker 4: start blowing out the budget if you don't feel any

828
00:49:04,653 --> 00:49:07,813
Speaker 4: shame and taking free hands. And there's nothing wrong with

829
00:49:07,973 --> 00:49:10,653
Speaker 4: taking hand and if things go wrong in your life,

830
00:49:11,093 --> 00:49:14,853
Speaker 4: but if you're just having three generations of families taking

831
00:49:15,693 --> 00:49:19,413
Speaker 4: welfare handouts, well you can't run that kind of system anymore.

832
00:49:19,893 --> 00:49:22,653
Speaker 4: And so we need to talk about a range of things,

833
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:27,053
Speaker 4: and they've taken that off. They try to silence people

834
00:49:27,133 --> 00:49:29,853
Speaker 4: by making it seem as though you know, you're you're

835
00:49:29,893 --> 00:49:32,573
Speaker 4: sitting outside the Overton window. The idea that it's it's

836
00:49:32,973 --> 00:49:36,373
Speaker 4: in respectable company, you don't talk about those sort of things. Well,

837
00:49:36,413 --> 00:49:39,973
Speaker 4: that's fine, but eventually then what you get is Nigel Farage,

838
00:49:40,613 --> 00:49:42,213
Speaker 4: who's going to talk about it and he's going to

839
00:49:42,253 --> 00:49:44,293
Speaker 4: win the next election. I put money on it right

840
00:49:44,413 --> 00:49:46,973
Speaker 4: now in Britain, or you get Donald Trump and you

841
00:49:47,013 --> 00:49:49,693
Speaker 4: can't have it both ways. If you're going to have

842
00:49:49,893 --> 00:49:54,693
Speaker 4: conservative parties that are completely emasculated and seem to stand

843
00:49:54,773 --> 00:49:57,613
Speaker 4: for nothing, then then other parties will take their place.

844
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Speaker 3: And so I think the problem right now, there's a

845
00:50:01,093 --> 00:50:02,453
Speaker 3: host of problem, but truly's right.

846
00:50:03,733 --> 00:50:06,853
Speaker 4: The elites in Europe have screwed things up so badly

847
00:50:06,933 --> 00:50:09,173
Speaker 4: that their last line of fens is to try to

848
00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:11,773
Speaker 4: stop people from talking about how badly they screwed things up,

849
00:50:12,293 --> 00:50:13,533
Speaker 4: and that you're not They're just not.

850
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Speaker 3: Gonna be able to hold that line.

851
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Speaker 4: I mean, we can see that Macron, you know, he's

852
00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:22,893
Speaker 4: gonna possibly his government's going to be it's not his government,

853
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:25,173
Speaker 4: but the one he the prime minister he chose is

854
00:50:25,213 --> 00:50:28,853
Speaker 4: going to be brought down. And uh, Marie la Penn

855
00:50:28,893 --> 00:50:31,653
Speaker 4: if they don't throw her out of parliament, I'm pretty

856
00:50:32,693 --> 00:50:36,293
Speaker 4: bogus charges she's going to win the next election and

857
00:50:36,333 --> 00:50:38,293
Speaker 4: if they do throw her out, then another person in

858
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Speaker 4: her party is going.

859
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Speaker 2: To win, all right, But if if they if she,

860
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Speaker 2: if she won, how would you feel about that?

861
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, when you look at the list of

862
00:50:47,133 --> 00:50:49,533
Speaker 4: choices right now, you'd probably be voting for her with

863
00:50:49,653 --> 00:50:54,053
Speaker 4: our set of views, because there's nobody else offering any

864
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Speaker 4: remedies at all, and that's probable. I mean I I

865
00:50:58,973 --> 00:51:03,533
Speaker 4: enthusiastically vote for Nigel Farage because the problem is that

866
00:51:03,653 --> 00:51:07,013
Speaker 4: the world's oldest continually run political party, which is the

867
00:51:07,533 --> 00:51:11,693
Speaker 4: Conservative Party in Britain, probably the world's most successful party.

868
00:51:12,493 --> 00:51:14,813
Speaker 4: They were an office for fourteen years. They brought in

869
00:51:15,013 --> 00:51:18,293
Speaker 4: more and more limits on speech. They every election they

870
00:51:18,373 --> 00:51:21,653
Speaker 4: promised the cut immigration and they always increased it. They

871
00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:24,813
Speaker 4: were thugs during COVID complete and other thugs. They ate

872
00:51:25,053 --> 00:51:28,213
Speaker 4: the sort of policies of the Chinese Politburo.

873
00:51:30,133 --> 00:51:31,333
Speaker 3: They ran up.

874
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:35,573
Speaker 4: They became the highest spending and taxing government since just

875
00:51:35,693 --> 00:51:39,053
Speaker 4: after the World War Two. And so you think, well,

876
00:51:39,173 --> 00:51:43,133
Speaker 4: why would anybody believe anything they say that after you,

877
00:51:43,293 --> 00:51:45,373
Speaker 4: after you've been in office fourteen years and won what

878
00:51:45,533 --> 00:51:49,253
Speaker 4: four or five elections, and you every time you've lied

879
00:51:49,293 --> 00:51:51,733
Speaker 4: to the voters, how do you come to them and say, well,

880
00:51:51,813 --> 00:51:53,893
Speaker 4: we might have lied those four last four times, but

881
00:51:54,013 --> 00:51:55,453
Speaker 4: this time we're telling you the truth.

882
00:51:56,293 --> 00:51:58,093
Speaker 3: It's not going to work. It's like telling your spouse

883
00:51:58,133 --> 00:52:00,453
Speaker 3: I cheated on you four times here, but you know.

884
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:03,733
Speaker 4: That's all behind me. She'd be, she'd be you know,

885
00:52:03,893 --> 00:52:06,893
Speaker 4: they're ranged to believe you this time, and that's that

886
00:52:07,373 --> 00:52:09,653
Speaker 4: is what is the core problem for the Conservative Party.

887
00:52:09,893 --> 00:52:13,253
Speaker 4: They're now seeing all the right things, but nobody believes them.

888
00:52:13,933 --> 00:52:18,293
Speaker 2: I've got to go back to twenty sixteen, twenty years

889
00:52:18,373 --> 00:52:22,693
Speaker 2: after the High Court's Wicic decision. How does the judicial

890
00:52:22,813 --> 00:52:24,413
Speaker 2: activism charge stand up.

891
00:52:25,053 --> 00:52:27,693
Speaker 3: I think that the two things can be true.

892
00:52:27,773 --> 00:52:34,813
Speaker 4: The Australian Top Court is comparatively sane by anglosphere standards,

893
00:52:34,853 --> 00:52:38,493
Speaker 4: So the Canadian Supreme Court is more activist than the

894
00:52:38,773 --> 00:52:43,093
Speaker 4: And by activists you mean I mean judicial user pation

895
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:47,533
Speaker 4: of what is properly the role of the democratic legislature. Right,

896
00:52:47,613 --> 00:52:50,533
Speaker 4: So people can try to pick you up on definitions

897
00:52:50,573 --> 00:52:52,493
Speaker 4: and say what do you mean by activists? And so

898
00:52:52,613 --> 00:52:55,173
Speaker 4: let's just put the word activist away and talk about

899
00:52:56,333 --> 00:53:01,213
Speaker 4: unelected judges making social policy line drawing decisions that twenty

900
00:53:01,293 --> 00:53:04,293
Speaker 4: years ago we would have just assumed would be done

901
00:53:04,333 --> 00:53:05,773
Speaker 4: through the electoral process.

902
00:53:06,373 --> 00:53:09,133
Speaker 3: Well, in Canada that happens more than in the US.

903
00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:12,293
Speaker 4: So the Canadian Supreme Court, under with their really potent

904
00:53:12,373 --> 00:53:15,933
Speaker 4: and trenched Bill of Rights has gone crazy in my view,

905
00:53:16,013 --> 00:53:17,293
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just gone crazy.

906
00:53:17,853 --> 00:53:20,493
Speaker 3: The Americans have judges have reigned it in a bit,

907
00:53:20,613 --> 00:53:21,493
Speaker 3: but by sort of.

908
00:53:23,173 --> 00:53:26,733
Speaker 4: People with Westminster sensibilities and like parliamentary sovereignty.

909
00:53:26,773 --> 00:53:27,693
Speaker 3: It's still waigh too much.

910
00:53:28,733 --> 00:53:32,133
Speaker 4: The New Zealand Top Court recently just I think they've

911
00:53:32,173 --> 00:53:35,253
Speaker 4: gone crazy. You know, they're telling they're telling the elected

912
00:53:35,293 --> 00:53:38,213
Speaker 4: politicians they have to lower the voting age to sixteen.

913
00:53:38,253 --> 00:53:40,053
Speaker 3: That was one of the worst cases you'll ever read.

914
00:53:40,533 --> 00:53:43,013
Speaker 3: They just you know, they used the.

915
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:46,133
Speaker 4: Statute that talked about discrimination to say that you can

916
00:53:46,253 --> 00:53:48,653
Speaker 4: read that into the Bill of Rights and basically that

917
00:53:48,733 --> 00:53:51,253
Speaker 4: the Bill of Rights was inconsistent with itself, and then

918
00:53:51,293 --> 00:53:55,493
Speaker 4: they pompously issued this this declaration of inconsistency or whatever

919
00:53:55,533 --> 00:53:55,893
Speaker 4: you call it.

920
00:53:55,973 --> 00:53:56,733
Speaker 3: Over in New Zealand.

921
00:53:57,213 --> 00:53:57,453
Speaker 1: Bad.

922
00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:05,933
Speaker 4: The Australian judges are definitely as activists, as willing to

923
00:54:06,093 --> 00:54:09,653
Speaker 4: use power from the democratic elected the legislature here has

924
00:54:09,653 --> 00:54:13,093
Speaker 4: anytime in my twenty years. But there's still comparatively better

925
00:54:13,173 --> 00:54:14,813
Speaker 4: than the rest of the anglisher because we do not

926
00:54:14,973 --> 00:54:17,533
Speaker 4: have a national Bill of Rights, and so when they

927
00:54:17,773 --> 00:54:21,733
Speaker 4: do any of this, it looks so patently illegitimate. You know,

928
00:54:21,813 --> 00:54:25,613
Speaker 4: they made up an applied freedom of political communication. If

929
00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:27,333
Speaker 4: you go and read the cases that made it up,

930
00:54:27,813 --> 00:54:30,773
Speaker 4: you just laugh a lot. And you know, they've supercharged

931
00:54:30,853 --> 00:54:33,413
Speaker 4: this idea from the nineteenth I think it started originally

932
00:54:33,453 --> 00:54:37,653
Speaker 4: around nineteen fifty six, that there is this implicit separation

933
00:54:37,733 --> 00:54:40,013
Speaker 4: of powers which they use to make it hard for

934
00:54:40,173 --> 00:54:44,093
Speaker 4: the for the government to deal with illegal aliens or

935
00:54:44,133 --> 00:54:47,013
Speaker 4: people who come here claiming refugee status. But it's still

936
00:54:47,133 --> 00:54:48,893
Speaker 4: pretty marginal what.

937
00:54:48,933 --> 00:54:49,533
Speaker 3: They're doing here.

938
00:54:49,613 --> 00:54:52,253
Speaker 4: So I mean, I'm not happy with the trend in Australia,

939
00:54:52,293 --> 00:54:56,853
Speaker 4: but if you look at top courts, and I don't know,

940
00:54:56,933 --> 00:54:59,373
Speaker 4: the two worst would be India and Israel, and then

941
00:54:59,453 --> 00:55:02,013
Speaker 4: probably Canada would be next worse in the US, and

942
00:55:02,293 --> 00:55:05,293
Speaker 4: so we're still miles better. That the British Supreme Court

943
00:55:05,653 --> 00:55:09,413
Speaker 4: has become incredibly activist without a written constan and that's

944
00:55:09,493 --> 00:55:13,693
Speaker 4: because when they went into the EU, they signed but

945
00:55:13,813 --> 00:55:15,373
Speaker 4: they well they didn't sign up to it, but they

946
00:55:16,853 --> 00:55:19,733
Speaker 4: they locked in the European Convention on Human Rights through

947
00:55:19,813 --> 00:55:23,573
Speaker 4: the EU, and so the judges use that through the

948
00:55:23,693 --> 00:55:27,013
Speaker 4: Tony Blair all the Tony Blair constitutional innovations, I mean,

949
00:55:27,053 --> 00:55:32,493
Speaker 4: the man single handedly ruined the most successful constitutional arrangements ever.

950
00:55:33,173 --> 00:55:36,373
Speaker 4: So they farage government when it comes in and I

951
00:55:36,453 --> 00:55:39,453
Speaker 4: think rightfully will have to repeal the and he said

952
00:55:39,453 --> 00:55:41,533
Speaker 4: they will do this. They will have to repeal the

953
00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:46,173
Speaker 4: Human Rights Act, which is a sort of bill of

954
00:55:46,253 --> 00:55:48,853
Speaker 4: rights that brings in the European Convention. They have to

955
00:55:49,453 --> 00:55:52,293
Speaker 4: resolve from or leave the European Convention. I think they're

956
00:55:52,293 --> 00:55:55,933
Speaker 4: also going to have to leave the the a couple

957
00:55:55,973 --> 00:55:59,533
Speaker 4: of other conventions, possibly the Refugee Convention. So I think

958
00:55:59,533 --> 00:56:02,133
Speaker 4: they'll do that if they win. And they're going to

959
00:56:02,253 --> 00:56:06,333
Speaker 4: have to change how judges are appointed because again this

960
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:09,693
Speaker 4: was a conservative government decided that the way you should

961
00:56:09,813 --> 00:56:12,973
Speaker 4: appoint your top judges is you should have a committee.

962
00:56:13,213 --> 00:56:16,013
Speaker 4: So instead of the elected government of appointing the judges.

963
00:56:16,053 --> 00:56:19,413
Speaker 4: Because trust me on this, ladon fifty years ago, the

964
00:56:19,533 --> 00:56:23,533
Speaker 4: median lawyer was to the you know, to the political.

965
00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,813
Speaker 3: Right of the median voter.

966
00:56:24,933 --> 00:56:28,933
Speaker 4: Today a couple of standard deviations to the left. Lawyers

967
00:56:29,013 --> 00:56:33,093
Speaker 4: as a class are very very progressively left wing. You know,

968
00:56:33,173 --> 00:56:35,653
Speaker 4: you have to have a pronoun tattooed on your forehead

969
00:56:35,693 --> 00:56:39,733
Speaker 4: before they'll let you in. I'm being physicious here, right,

970
00:56:39,853 --> 00:56:42,093
Speaker 4: So these are the people from whom we're picking judges.

971
00:56:42,773 --> 00:56:45,893
Speaker 4: And if you're a right of center political party, it

972
00:56:46,053 --> 00:56:49,533
Speaker 4: is not easy to find interpretively conservative judges. It is

973
00:56:49,613 --> 00:56:52,733
Speaker 4: not and what Britain, it's possible, but it's not easy

974
00:56:52,813 --> 00:56:55,053
Speaker 4: and you have to be committed to doing it. And

975
00:56:55,173 --> 00:56:58,773
Speaker 4: in Australia, you know, the Conservative the Liberal Party was

976
00:56:59,573 --> 00:57:03,293
Speaker 4: just ridiculously not paying any attention to their appointments. You know,

977
00:57:03,613 --> 00:57:06,053
Speaker 4: in nine years of Conservative government, they didn't appoint any

978
00:57:06,093 --> 00:57:10,053
Speaker 4: Conservative people to anything. I mean, I'm barely exaggerating. But

979
00:57:10,173 --> 00:57:12,333
Speaker 4: what they did in Britain, the Conservative government is they

980
00:57:12,493 --> 00:57:16,173
Speaker 4: bought this talk that's everywhere in law schools, all by

981
00:57:16,253 --> 00:57:19,693
Speaker 4: progressive people, that you need a commission to appoint judges.

982
00:57:20,173 --> 00:57:21,613
Speaker 3: And so here's how it works in Britain.

983
00:57:22,653 --> 00:57:24,893
Speaker 4: I mean there's two systems, the one right up to

984
00:57:24,973 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 4: the top court and then the one for all of

985
00:57:27,293 --> 00:57:27,693
Speaker 4: the others.

986
00:57:27,733 --> 00:57:28,533
Speaker 3: But the one for all the.

987
00:57:28,533 --> 00:57:31,653
Speaker 4: Others is they're basically sort of the same. So what

988
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:34,933
Speaker 4: happens is there's thirteen members on this committee. Seven of

989
00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:37,653
Speaker 4: them are laid people, so everyone can say this is

990
00:57:37,733 --> 00:57:41,893
Speaker 4: a you know majority lay people, plumbers, secretaries, teachers.

991
00:57:42,413 --> 00:57:46,693
Speaker 3: That's seven. The other six are the Lord Chief Justice

992
00:57:47,213 --> 00:57:47,693
Speaker 3: of Britain.

993
00:57:47,733 --> 00:57:51,733
Speaker 4: That's the sort of second highest judicial posts, the Chancellor

994
00:57:51,773 --> 00:57:54,573
Speaker 4: of the Roles, you know, the third highest judicial figure,

995
00:57:54,853 --> 00:57:57,973
Speaker 4: the President of the Bar, the head of the Law Society,

996
00:57:58,773 --> 00:58:01,053
Speaker 4: and two other judges. So you have six of the

997
00:58:01,133 --> 00:58:03,893
Speaker 4: most senior legal figures in the country and they go

998
00:58:03,973 --> 00:58:06,893
Speaker 4: into a room with seven laid people, and we are

999
00:58:06,973 --> 00:58:10,333
Speaker 4: supposed to believe that the seven lay people are going

1000
00:58:10,413 --> 00:58:13,493
Speaker 4: to stand up to these people. It's laughable, you know.

1001
00:58:13,973 --> 00:58:16,853
Speaker 4: So what happens is that the judges and the senior

1002
00:58:16,973 --> 00:58:18,973
Speaker 4: lawyers pick who the next judge will.

1003
00:58:18,853 --> 00:58:19,693
Speaker 3: Be, and so you get a.

1004
00:58:21,173 --> 00:58:25,453
Speaker 4: Wall to wall left leaning judiciary. And how a conservative

1005
00:58:25,533 --> 00:58:28,853
Speaker 4: government couldn't see that this was the likely outcome is

1006
00:58:28,893 --> 00:58:31,493
Speaker 4: beyond me. I mean, Nigel Formers will have to repeal the.

1007
00:58:31,933 --> 00:58:33,253
Speaker 3: It's called the judicial appointments.

1008
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:35,533
Speaker 4: And they always say, oh, we're only going to We're

1009
00:58:35,573 --> 00:58:39,093
Speaker 4: only going to appoint based on merit, But they never

1010
00:58:39,213 --> 00:58:42,653
Speaker 4: tell you what they mean by merit, because at the

1011
00:58:42,693 --> 00:58:44,533
Speaker 4: same time as they're going to appoint by merit, they're

1012
00:58:44,533 --> 00:58:47,013
Speaker 4: supposed to take into account, you know, how many women

1013
00:58:47,093 --> 00:58:49,173
Speaker 4: are on the bench, how many blacks are on the bench.

1014
00:58:49,333 --> 00:58:51,813
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know all of the all of

1015
00:58:51,933 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 4: these sort of identity politics characteristics, but I can tell

1016
00:58:56,413 --> 00:59:00,853
Speaker 4: you one thing. Even if you're just looking at raw

1017
00:59:01,613 --> 00:59:06,213
Speaker 4: loyally technical skills, your analytical ability to take apart statutes

1018
00:59:06,253 --> 00:59:08,613
Speaker 4: and cases, which you know is definitely a skill, and

1019
00:59:08,693 --> 00:59:13,773
Speaker 4: that's not politically oriented. Well, how how you use that

1020
00:59:13,973 --> 00:59:18,013
Speaker 4: skilled when you get into court will often depend upon

1021
00:59:18,133 --> 00:59:21,253
Speaker 4: what your political views are. And so the traditional way

1022
00:59:21,333 --> 00:59:24,973
Speaker 4: of making appointments has always been, well, the party that

1023
00:59:25,053 --> 00:59:27,773
Speaker 4: wins makes the appointments. And of course they're carrying about merit,

1024
00:59:27,853 --> 00:59:30,493
Speaker 4: but they'll pick someone who you know, might be a

1025
00:59:30,573 --> 00:59:33,253
Speaker 4: federalist instead of a centralist, or they'll pick someone who's

1026
00:59:35,013 --> 00:59:39,413
Speaker 4: against judicial expansionism, and that has ended in Britain, and

1027
00:59:39,493 --> 00:59:44,613
Speaker 4: so you've got effectively wall to wall left leaning in

1028
00:59:44,653 --> 00:59:48,973
Speaker 4: their place. So when they decided those those two major

1029
00:59:49,053 --> 00:59:52,773
Speaker 4: Brexit cases, the two Miller cases, well that was I

1030
00:59:52,813 --> 00:59:55,853
Speaker 4: think it was eleven eleven of the top judges said

1031
00:59:55,853 --> 00:59:57,813
Speaker 4: on it was either every single one of them was

1032
00:59:57,853 --> 01:00:01,293
Speaker 4: a remainer. And you're telling me that's irrelevant when they

1033
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:04,573
Speaker 4: in the first case was about the prerogative power where

1034
01:00:04,613 --> 01:00:07,413
Speaker 4: they completely re wrote two hundred years of president on

1035
01:00:07,493 --> 01:00:09,893
Speaker 4: what we mean by the power. And the second big

1036
01:00:09,973 --> 01:00:12,893
Speaker 4: one was on paroguing parliament and they you know, they

1037
01:00:13,013 --> 01:00:15,693
Speaker 4: overturned three hundred years of president all to make it

1038
01:00:15,813 --> 01:00:18,773
Speaker 4: harder for Boris Johnson to bring in Brexit. And we're

1039
01:00:18,813 --> 01:00:21,493
Speaker 4: supposed to believe that the political views these judges bring

1040
01:00:21,573 --> 01:00:22,693
Speaker 4: to the table don't matter.

1041
01:00:23,653 --> 01:00:24,493
Speaker 3: I mean, come off it.

1042
01:00:24,693 --> 01:00:28,013
Speaker 4: And the Canadian courts when Trudeau tried to progue Parliament,

1043
01:00:28,773 --> 01:00:30,933
Speaker 4: well they let in parogue Parliament, which is the right

1044
01:00:31,013 --> 01:00:33,893
Speaker 4: thing to do, because you know, there's three hundred years

1045
01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:37,973
Speaker 4: of precedent. So of course, to some extent, the attitudes

1046
01:00:38,133 --> 01:00:41,853
Speaker 4: these judges bring to the table matters, and right of

1047
01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:45,253
Speaker 4: center political parties need to be way more hard headed.

1048
01:00:45,453 --> 01:00:49,213
Speaker 4: It took the Republicans in the US fifty years to

1049
01:00:49,333 --> 01:00:51,413
Speaker 4: learn how to appoint judges, and they never really got

1050
01:00:51,453 --> 01:00:54,173
Speaker 4: it right till Trump came in. And even with Trump

1051
01:00:55,533 --> 01:01:00,933
Speaker 4: specifically looking for interpretively conservative judges, you know, it's not easy.

1052
01:01:01,133 --> 01:01:03,613
Speaker 4: It's not really clear if Amy Coni Barrett has a

1053
01:01:03,693 --> 01:01:06,293
Speaker 4: good choice, he's way better than the Democrats would appoint.

1054
01:01:06,813 --> 01:01:09,453
Speaker 4: And the Bush appointment of Rob It's the Chief Justice,

1055
01:01:09,493 --> 01:01:11,853
Speaker 4: well he's a disaster. I mean, he's not as bad

1056
01:01:11,893 --> 01:01:17,413
Speaker 4: as the Democrats on no one would appoint him today. Well,

1057
01:01:17,453 --> 01:01:20,093
Speaker 4: I mean he's not as bad as the Democrats because

1058
01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:23,133
Speaker 4: sometimes he sides with the Republicans and sometimes he doesn't. Yeah,

1059
01:01:23,293 --> 01:01:25,893
Speaker 4: I mean he's but he's a he's an insider elitist,

1060
01:01:26,013 --> 01:01:29,453
Speaker 4: and he doesn't like he doesn't like Trump at all,

1061
01:01:29,533 --> 01:01:31,493
Speaker 4: and he's you know, he's trying to to some extent,

1062
01:01:33,253 --> 01:01:35,373
Speaker 4: what he wants is for everyone to think the Supreme

1063
01:01:35,413 --> 01:01:37,773
Speaker 4: Court's great. And the problem is in a fifty to

1064
01:01:37,813 --> 01:01:42,453
Speaker 4: fifty country, your top court gets politicized, and so the

1065
01:01:42,573 --> 01:01:45,093
Speaker 4: people on the losing side of whatever the court decides

1066
01:01:45,133 --> 01:01:45,893
Speaker 4: get pretty angry.

1067
01:01:47,053 --> 01:01:50,213
Speaker 2: I have got another three areas that I would have

1068
01:01:50,653 --> 01:01:54,093
Speaker 2: liked to have covered, but we're pushing it now. I

1069
01:01:54,213 --> 01:01:57,453
Speaker 2: want you to explain your attitude toward Israel.

1070
01:02:00,053 --> 01:02:03,573
Speaker 4: My attitude is basically the same as Douglas Murray's. If

1071
01:02:03,613 --> 01:02:08,053
Speaker 4: someone attacks you, then more has consequences. When the Nazis

1072
01:02:08,093 --> 01:02:11,653
Speaker 4: at Britain and you know, was bombing London, well, when

1073
01:02:11,933 --> 01:02:14,933
Speaker 4: the war turned, Britain did whatever they had to do

1074
01:02:15,013 --> 01:02:18,253
Speaker 4: to win the war, which include completely and totally leveling

1075
01:02:18,333 --> 01:02:19,533
Speaker 4: Dresden to the ground.

1076
01:02:20,093 --> 01:02:23,333
Speaker 3: They were not sending food parcels to Dresden. They were not.

1077
01:02:24,453 --> 01:02:28,213
Speaker 4: And so we hold Israel to a higher standard than

1078
01:02:28,453 --> 01:02:31,773
Speaker 4: any country that's ever fought a war, even while all

1079
01:02:31,813 --> 01:02:36,133
Speaker 4: around Israel there are wars going on where neither party

1080
01:02:36,573 --> 01:02:38,933
Speaker 4: is held to any kind of standard, but Israel gets

1081
01:02:38,973 --> 01:02:41,693
Speaker 4: put under a microscope. And I think it's true that

1082
01:02:41,933 --> 01:02:47,053
Speaker 4: they have been more careful. But the thing is, at

1083
01:02:47,053 --> 01:02:48,773
Speaker 4: the end of the day, if Hamas is going to

1084
01:02:48,893 --> 01:02:55,893
Speaker 4: station it's troops in schools and hospitals, Well, how do

1085
01:02:56,013 --> 01:02:59,373
Speaker 4: you fight that war without attacking those places. It's not

1086
01:02:59,733 --> 01:03:04,333
Speaker 4: Israel's fault that. I mean, even the Nazis weren't parking

1087
01:03:04,413 --> 01:03:07,613
Speaker 4: their troops in schools. You know, they had some sort

1088
01:03:07,693 --> 01:03:11,813
Speaker 4: of basic understanding that this is not a good idea.

1089
01:03:12,373 --> 01:03:15,893
Speaker 4: And so, you know, is any country perfect when it

1090
01:03:15,933 --> 01:03:18,533
Speaker 4: comes to un of course not. But in terms of

1091
01:03:18,693 --> 01:03:22,893
Speaker 4: being the only democracy in the area which has a

1092
01:03:23,093 --> 01:03:25,733
Speaker 4: what fifteen to twenty percent of the population is Arab,

1093
01:03:26,533 --> 01:03:28,773
Speaker 4: and those Arabs aren't trying to leave Israel and move

1094
01:03:28,813 --> 01:03:31,773
Speaker 4: anywhere else. And it's much better to be an Arab

1095
01:03:31,853 --> 01:03:33,253
Speaker 4: in Israel than to be a Jew.

1096
01:03:33,173 --> 01:03:35,893
Speaker 3: In any of the surrounding majority Muslim countries.

1097
01:03:36,333 --> 01:03:38,373
Speaker 4: And in fact, it's probably better to be an Arab

1098
01:03:38,533 --> 01:03:40,253
Speaker 4: in Israel than it is to be an Arab in

1099
01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:42,933
Speaker 4: any of the Arab countries. And so the problem is

1100
01:03:43,893 --> 01:03:48,573
Speaker 4: there's this hatred of Israel that you can't actually defend,

1101
01:03:48,773 --> 01:03:51,093
Speaker 4: but you don't need to defend it because the Left

1102
01:03:51,093 --> 01:03:55,173
Speaker 4: has captured all of our educational institutes and the kids

1103
01:03:55,213 --> 01:03:58,653
Speaker 4: are you know, basically indoctrinated, and they don't even know

1104
01:03:58,773 --> 01:04:00,613
Speaker 4: what from the river to the Sea means. It means

1105
01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:03,613
Speaker 4: drive out every Jew who's in Israel. And they don't

1106
01:04:03,653 --> 01:04:05,893
Speaker 4: know the river and they don't know the sea. And

1107
01:04:06,453 --> 01:04:09,893
Speaker 4: they set up these Palestinian encampments at the universities. We

1108
01:04:09,973 --> 01:04:13,813
Speaker 4: had one here at Uq and the the people who

1109
01:04:13,893 --> 01:04:16,373
Speaker 4: are in charge of the universities don't do anything about

1110
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:18,613
Speaker 4: it for you know, weeks and weeks on end.

1111
01:04:19,693 --> 01:04:22,213
Speaker 2: And how does that leave you, How does that leave

1112
01:04:22,213 --> 01:04:24,253
Speaker 2: you feeling what it's going on around you?

1113
01:04:25,373 --> 01:04:28,493
Speaker 4: Well, we had the only university in Australia and possibly

1114
01:04:28,573 --> 01:04:30,973
Speaker 4: in the world where there was a counter encampment, a

1115
01:04:31,053 --> 01:04:37,893
Speaker 4: tiny little encampment of basically Jews and a few Persians,

1116
01:04:38,173 --> 01:04:44,813
Speaker 4: because the pre Homni Iran had very good relations with Israel.

1117
01:04:44,893 --> 01:04:47,253
Speaker 4: So we get some of the sort of Persian students

1118
01:04:47,253 --> 01:04:51,893
Speaker 4: who had come here at the time of the Iranian revolution,

1119
01:04:51,973 --> 01:04:54,613
Speaker 4: their parents had come. But I would go every day

1120
01:04:54,613 --> 01:04:57,733
Speaker 4: and have coffee with them, but with the with the Jews,

1121
01:04:57,853 --> 01:05:00,493
Speaker 4: the Jewish kids, because they had these other these other

1122
01:05:00,573 --> 01:05:02,413
Speaker 4: people were walking around taking photos.

1123
01:05:02,453 --> 01:05:03,813
Speaker 1: It was just raw.

1124
01:05:05,413 --> 01:05:08,733
Speaker 3: Sort of intimidation. So it made me feel like but

1125
01:05:09,413 --> 01:05:10,373
Speaker 3: at the end of the day.

1126
01:05:11,253 --> 01:05:14,133
Speaker 4: You know, we've got a government here in Australia which

1127
01:05:14,613 --> 01:05:18,693
Speaker 4: you know is recognizing Harmas, and so is every left

1128
01:05:18,733 --> 01:05:21,573
Speaker 4: wing leader in the anglisphere. And I think even you're

1129
01:05:21,813 --> 01:05:26,613
Speaker 4: supposedly seeing lux and I think didn't his government also

1130
01:05:27,613 --> 01:05:30,853
Speaker 4: recognize Palistine. I don't know anyway, that's a terrible decision

1131
01:05:30,893 --> 01:05:34,613
Speaker 4: in my view because he just encouraged Hamas. So I

1132
01:05:35,213 --> 01:05:41,133
Speaker 4: personally am a big supporter of this sort of beachhead

1133
01:05:41,173 --> 01:05:45,013
Speaker 4: of democracy in a very hostile world. I admire what

1134
01:05:45,093 --> 01:05:48,573
Speaker 4: the Jewish people have done actually and their sense of commitment,

1135
01:05:48,613 --> 01:05:51,133
Speaker 4: and they're willing to to defend themselves. I'm not sure

1136
01:05:51,173 --> 01:05:56,693
Speaker 4: that young Australian kids, mostly boys, would be prepared to

1137
01:05:56,773 --> 01:05:59,973
Speaker 4: fight for their country, and that's probably because they've gone

1138
01:06:00,013 --> 01:06:02,093
Speaker 4: through school for twelve years being told that it's a

1139
01:06:02,253 --> 01:06:08,133
Speaker 4: terrible racist sort of country. Whereas these are the best

1140
01:06:08,413 --> 01:06:11,253
Speaker 4: places to live ever that we have created, especially in

1141
01:06:11,333 --> 01:06:15,133
Speaker 4: the anglosphere, and yet we have allowed this sort of

1142
01:06:16,453 --> 01:06:20,093
Speaker 4: set of this sort of these parasites to eat away

1143
01:06:20,093 --> 01:06:22,733
Speaker 4: at our institutions, and we need to fix that. Mark

1144
01:06:22,733 --> 01:06:27,013
Speaker 4: Stein always said everything is downstream of downstream of culture,

1145
01:06:27,053 --> 01:06:29,293
Speaker 4: and I completely agree with that. I mean, it's all

1146
01:06:29,413 --> 01:06:32,013
Speaker 4: very well and good to worry about the economy, but

1147
01:06:32,133 --> 01:06:34,933
Speaker 4: if you're teaching kids that capitalism is no good an

1148
01:06:35,013 --> 01:06:38,973
Speaker 4: individual initiative, it doesn't matter because it's all about which

1149
01:06:39,013 --> 01:06:41,573
Speaker 4: groups have been oppressed. It doesn't really matter how you

1150
01:06:41,653 --> 01:06:44,493
Speaker 4: look at the economy and your stuffed I mean, you

1151
01:06:44,653 --> 01:06:46,773
Speaker 4: have to first come to the questions of the economy

1152
01:06:46,813 --> 01:06:49,813
Speaker 4: where you can have a debate with a basic view

1153
01:06:49,933 --> 01:06:52,973
Speaker 4: that competition is good and that merit matters, and that

1154
01:06:53,413 --> 01:06:57,093
Speaker 4: individualism is a good way to run your country. And

1155
01:06:57,133 --> 01:07:01,733
Speaker 4: if you don't have those values, then you know, arguing

1156
01:07:01,773 --> 01:07:03,773
Speaker 4: about the tax rate is neither here nor there.

1157
01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:08,213
Speaker 2: Do you get a chance when you're teaching to take

1158
01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:10,853
Speaker 2: on discussions like we're having at the moment.

1159
01:07:11,973 --> 01:07:14,453
Speaker 4: I give outside talks, but my basic view, Layton, is

1160
01:07:14,533 --> 01:07:17,493
Speaker 4: the sort of old fashion one. Whatever I'm teaching, I

1161
01:07:17,573 --> 01:07:20,413
Speaker 4: don't teach it in a political way. I do legal philosophy,

1162
01:07:20,533 --> 01:07:22,853
Speaker 4: and even that I teach it in a way to

1163
01:07:23,213 --> 01:07:25,413
Speaker 4: make sure that all points of view are out there,

1164
01:07:26,293 --> 01:07:29,493
Speaker 4: because I think your job at a university is not

1165
01:07:29,653 --> 01:07:32,533
Speaker 4: to run a political line. Now, when there are only

1166
01:07:32,733 --> 01:07:37,493
Speaker 4: four sort of constitutional conservative legal academics in the country

1167
01:07:37,573 --> 01:07:40,013
Speaker 4: of twenty eight million, maybe I should be more political.

1168
01:07:40,373 --> 01:07:42,173
Speaker 3: I mean, that's how do I get that figure?

1169
01:07:42,253 --> 01:07:44,933
Speaker 4: Well, because when they ran the Voice referendum, which was

1170
01:07:45,013 --> 01:07:48,973
Speaker 4: a very left leaning proposal to change their Extralian constitution,

1171
01:07:49,693 --> 01:07:51,413
Speaker 4: you had senior judges.

1172
01:07:51,093 --> 01:07:54,653
Speaker 3: Coming out for it. There were only four legal academics

1173
01:07:54,653 --> 01:07:56,253
Speaker 3: who came out for no. I was one of them.

1174
01:07:56,533 --> 01:07:58,373
Speaker 3: And by the way, when it went to the referendum,

1175
01:07:58,413 --> 01:07:58,853
Speaker 3: it lost.

1176
01:07:59,253 --> 01:08:01,893
Speaker 4: Over sixty percent of Australia said no because it was

1177
01:08:01,933 --> 01:08:06,733
Speaker 4: such a terrible idea. But you know, the entire loyally

1178
01:08:06,893 --> 01:08:09,933
Speaker 4: cast with a few praise were the exceptions, were all

1179
01:08:10,013 --> 01:08:11,933
Speaker 4: on board with this. If it had been a vote

1180
01:08:11,973 --> 01:08:13,933
Speaker 4: for of the lawyers, and I had been a vote

1181
01:08:13,933 --> 01:08:15,533
Speaker 4: of the judges, it would have sailed through.

1182
01:08:16,493 --> 01:08:20,573
Speaker 3: And so me, you know, I mean, there's the odd

1183
01:08:20,613 --> 01:08:21,093
Speaker 3: student in.

1184
01:08:21,133 --> 01:08:23,773
Speaker 4: My class whose parents read the Spectator of the Australian

1185
01:08:23,853 --> 01:08:28,613
Speaker 4: who knows I'm conservative, but I try to be, you know,

1186
01:08:28,813 --> 01:08:31,653
Speaker 4: someone who looks at everything and I try not to

1187
01:08:33,453 --> 01:08:37,573
Speaker 4: overtly take views. I mean, I never do an acknowledgment

1188
01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:40,813
Speaker 4: of country or anything like that, but you know most people.

1189
01:08:40,613 --> 01:08:41,893
Speaker 3: Don't do those in class.

1190
01:08:42,613 --> 01:08:45,133
Speaker 4: So yeah, we had we definitely have a massive, major

1191
01:08:45,253 --> 01:08:48,053
Speaker 4: problem in our universities. But I would start by trying

1192
01:08:48,093 --> 01:08:52,253
Speaker 4: to fix the schools first, because it's even more important

1193
01:08:52,293 --> 01:08:55,213
Speaker 4: to get kids through just the end of secondary school

1194
01:08:55,253 --> 01:08:59,493
Speaker 4: without you know, having propaganda ram down their throat. Now,

1195
01:08:59,533 --> 01:09:02,533
Speaker 4: I know that lots of kids just become cynical and

1196
01:09:02,693 --> 01:09:05,333
Speaker 4: they realize they think it's garbage, and they just say

1197
01:09:05,413 --> 01:09:06,973
Speaker 4: whatever they think they have to say to get a

1198
01:09:07,013 --> 01:09:07,533
Speaker 4: good grade.

1199
01:09:08,493 --> 01:09:09,853
Speaker 3: But that's the best case scenario.

1200
01:09:09,973 --> 01:09:12,333
Speaker 4: That's the best we can say is that you know, this,

1201
01:09:12,573 --> 01:09:16,533
Speaker 4: this attempt at blatant propaganda just creates a lot of phynics,

1202
01:09:18,053 --> 01:09:20,253
Speaker 4: but it definitely works on some of them too. And

1203
01:09:20,773 --> 01:09:23,333
Speaker 4: and there's no way to explain what's happening with the

1204
01:09:23,413 --> 01:09:29,213
Speaker 4: anti seminism other than mass immigration, sometimes from places where

1205
01:09:30,493 --> 01:09:33,413
Speaker 4: the groups do not share our worldview in the West

1206
01:09:33,533 --> 01:09:37,413
Speaker 4: even remotely. Plus propaganda for the young, because you've got

1207
01:09:37,413 --> 01:09:43,853
Speaker 4: these young wealthy students sort of you know, chanting Palestinian slogans.

1208
01:09:44,613 --> 01:09:48,613
Speaker 4: The other really really weird thing about the whole rebirth

1209
01:09:48,773 --> 01:09:51,453
Speaker 4: of anti Semitism for me. And I've got lots of

1210
01:09:51,533 --> 01:09:54,493
Speaker 4: Jewish friends, but they're conservative Jewish friends. I say to them,

1211
01:09:55,213 --> 01:09:58,093
Speaker 4: why does the majority of Jewish people vote for the

1212
01:09:58,173 --> 01:10:02,413
Speaker 4: political left, who is really not helping Jewish people at all?

1213
01:10:02,453 --> 01:10:05,053
Speaker 3: And they say it's I can't really, you know, it's

1214
01:10:05,093 --> 01:10:06,573
Speaker 3: a cultural thing for Jews.

1215
01:10:07,293 --> 01:10:07,373
Speaker 1: Now.

1216
01:10:07,493 --> 01:10:09,853
Speaker 3: Of course I'm speaking in general terms, and there's lots

1217
01:10:09,893 --> 01:10:12,013
Speaker 3: of exceptions, but it is a weird thing.

1218
01:10:12,573 --> 01:10:14,573
Speaker 4: If you look around the world today, it's pretty obvious

1219
01:10:14,613 --> 01:10:18,293
Speaker 4: that left the center parties are not have not are

1220
01:10:18,373 --> 01:10:22,893
Speaker 4: not not in the business of helping Jewish citizens, whereas

1221
01:10:22,933 --> 01:10:27,813
Speaker 4: the right of center parties that are more so. You know,

1222
01:10:28,093 --> 01:10:31,733
Speaker 4: Trump really increased his Jewish vote, but it still wasn't

1223
01:10:31,853 --> 01:10:33,853
Speaker 4: close behalf of American Jews.

1224
01:10:34,933 --> 01:10:41,773
Speaker 2: It's it's been tagged by somebody I respect as self hatred.

1225
01:10:43,373 --> 01:10:44,493
Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, I'm not.

1226
01:10:44,853 --> 01:10:46,933
Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, you always hate that pop psychologe.

1227
01:10:47,013 --> 01:10:49,333
Speaker 4: You're trying to look into somebody's brain, But it is.

1228
01:10:50,173 --> 01:10:53,293
Speaker 4: It is a very odd thing. Sooner or later, these

1229
01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:57,333
Speaker 4: groups move. You know, He's Trump got the majority of

1230
01:10:58,013 --> 01:11:02,453
Speaker 4: Hispanic men. No one would have believed that twelve sixteen

1231
01:11:02,533 --> 01:11:04,453
Speaker 4: years ago, they just wouldn't have believed that was possible

1232
01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:05,413
Speaker 4: for a Republican to do.

1233
01:11:06,373 --> 01:11:08,253
Speaker 3: And these groups have moved.

1234
01:11:09,173 --> 01:11:14,133
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass on the on the murder. I

1235
01:11:14,173 --> 01:11:15,413
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it now.

1236
01:11:16,853 --> 01:11:17,733
Speaker 3: That's pretty depressing.

1237
01:11:17,933 --> 01:11:22,813
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I have a question for you. Lastly, out

1238
01:11:22,853 --> 01:11:26,453
Speaker 2: of all the justices on the Supreme Court over the

1239
01:11:26,573 --> 01:11:31,653
Speaker 2: last I don't know, thirty forty years, who would you

1240
01:11:31,733 --> 01:11:34,933
Speaker 2: admire the most, Who would be the most productive in

1241
01:11:35,733 --> 01:11:36,533
Speaker 2: reading their work?

1242
01:11:37,613 --> 01:11:40,093
Speaker 3: I think it's hard not to admire Clarence Thomas.

1243
01:11:40,213 --> 01:11:44,613
Speaker 4: You know, his grandfather was sharecropper, I think, and you

1244
01:11:44,693 --> 01:11:49,533
Speaker 4: know he's got a consistent interpretive approach when it comes

1245
01:11:49,613 --> 01:11:53,333
Speaker 4: to deciding cases, and with one I largely agree with.

1246
01:11:53,413 --> 01:11:54,973
Speaker 3: I don't agree with anybody all the time.

1247
01:11:55,853 --> 01:11:59,773
Speaker 4: He's pretty close to Scalia, but his backstory is better,

1248
01:11:59,853 --> 01:12:02,773
Speaker 4: and he's braver. I mean, you know Scalia was very brave,

1249
01:12:02,813 --> 01:12:05,253
Speaker 4: so maybe bravers not the right word. So I guess

1250
01:12:05,333 --> 01:12:06,653
Speaker 4: if you said to me, who do I like right

1251
01:12:06,733 --> 01:12:09,013
Speaker 4: now on your Supreme Court the most? I would probably

1252
01:12:09,053 --> 01:12:13,333
Speaker 4: say Clarence Thomas. I liked his biography, his autobiography that

1253
01:12:13,373 --> 01:12:14,293
Speaker 4: he wrote about himself.

1254
01:12:15,293 --> 01:12:18,533
Speaker 3: He did in the he did on the type. It's

1255
01:12:18,573 --> 01:12:19,133
Speaker 3: worth reading.

1256
01:12:19,293 --> 01:12:21,813
Speaker 2: But I've got I've got a collection of Scalia.

1257
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:25,693
Speaker 4: Well, Scalia was funny. Scalia was funnier. Scalia was just

1258
01:12:25,853 --> 01:12:28,613
Speaker 4: you know, he'd write these singing descents that were very

1259
01:12:28,893 --> 01:12:32,813
Speaker 4: very funny, laugh loud funny some of them. And so

1260
01:12:32,973 --> 01:12:37,053
Speaker 4: he was a he was a bitingly funny man and aggressive.

1261
01:12:37,093 --> 01:12:40,413
Speaker 4: But he never lived long enough to see uh Trump

1262
01:12:40,493 --> 01:12:46,813
Speaker 4: come in and actually sort of recreate a Republican majority

1263
01:12:47,053 --> 01:12:49,653
Speaker 4: appointed US Supreme Court.

1264
01:12:50,733 --> 01:12:53,133
Speaker 2: It was a very very sad day the day that

1265
01:12:53,253 --> 01:12:58,173
Speaker 2: he he died unexpectedly. Yes, it was deprived, not just

1266
01:12:58,253 --> 01:13:00,493
Speaker 2: America but the world of a giant brain.

1267
01:13:01,213 --> 01:13:01,733
Speaker 3: Yes it did.

1268
01:13:01,853 --> 01:13:03,773
Speaker 4: And and you know, at that point it looked like

1269
01:13:03,853 --> 01:13:06,293
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton would win, and you know, she would have

1270
01:13:06,333 --> 01:13:09,813
Speaker 4: made three appointments and we would have massively left wing

1271
01:13:10,253 --> 01:13:14,213
Speaker 4: leaning Supreme Court for the foreseeable future.

1272
01:13:15,013 --> 01:13:17,253
Speaker 2: You're going to be grateful when when you hang up

1273
01:13:17,293 --> 01:13:19,973
Speaker 2: the phone, because we've been talking for over an hour

1274
01:13:20,413 --> 01:13:25,453
Speaker 2: and it's been extremely interesting. But you always are.

1275
01:13:26,613 --> 01:13:29,133
Speaker 3: Well, you're too kind, latent, you sound like my mom.

1276
01:13:29,293 --> 01:13:30,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're going to bring your mother into

1277
01:13:30,893 --> 01:13:31,173
Speaker 2: it again.

1278
01:13:31,293 --> 01:13:33,733
Speaker 4: Yes, no idea, but she's you know, she's now she's

1279
01:13:33,813 --> 01:13:36,493
Speaker 4: now died, but she would have said that anyway.

1280
01:13:37,133 --> 01:13:39,853
Speaker 2: It has been a pleasure and I look forward to

1281
01:13:39,893 --> 01:13:42,693
Speaker 2: the next time whenever, whenever it might be. But I

1282
01:13:42,773 --> 01:13:46,933
Speaker 2: think that you're five weeks off had had restored some energy,

1283
01:13:46,973 --> 01:13:48,133
Speaker 2: because you were full of it today.

1284
01:13:49,253 --> 01:13:51,693
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, lateon and all the best in

1285
01:13:51,773 --> 01:13:53,933
Speaker 4: your No you return back to see if you can

1286
01:13:54,013 --> 01:13:57,573
Speaker 4: have a word with the present government to be a

1287
01:13:57,653 --> 01:13:59,333
Speaker 4: little braver, a little more conviction.

1288
01:14:00,013 --> 01:14:01,453
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do it, to be honest,

1289
01:14:01,973 --> 01:14:04,253
Speaker 2: I'm not into politicians as much as I used to

1290
01:14:04,333 --> 01:14:10,813
Speaker 2: be some time ago. But they're letting us greatly anyway,

1291
01:14:10,853 --> 01:14:12,813
Speaker 2: but you're not, and I appreciate it, as I say,

1292
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Speaker 2: thank you, and we will talk again.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll hang up, Thank you very much, Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much.

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Speaker 2: Right versus producer. Here we are for the mail room

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Speaker 2: for podcast number three hundred and one. How are you

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Speaker 2: doing later?

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Speaker 5: And I'm fabulous.

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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm pretty damn good. Actually, this has

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Speaker 2: been a very interesting week from my perspective. Without going

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Speaker 2: into detail, but I do have to go into a

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Speaker 2: little bit of detail about something which I take as personal.

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Speaker 2: There is a wonderful woman. Her name is Raywan and

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01:14:54,493 --> 01:15:00,053
Speaker 2: she has been baking Christmas cakes every year since at

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Speaker 2: least we started the podcast Stopped Radio started the podcast

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Speaker 2: every Christmas, and I have received another one of her

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Speaker 2: superb and I'm not exaggerating, folks, superb cakes to celebrate

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Speaker 2: podcasts number three.

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Speaker 5: Hundred Get Raywind. Just as a side note, guess what

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Speaker 5: he had for dinner the night before last Christmas?

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Speaker 3: Cake and yogurt.

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Speaker 5: That was it? So yes, to say that we love

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Speaker 5: it is an understatement.

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Speaker 2: Indeed. Now to go with that, I'm drinking for the

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Speaker 2: very first time a couple of something that I find

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Speaker 2: absolutely delicious. Missus producer has discovered cinnamon tea somehow. Now

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Speaker 2: I got onto cinnamon really when we were staying a

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Speaker 2: couple of nights in Dubai a number of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and at the breakfast, at the breakfast feast in the hotel,

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Speaker 2: they had cinnamon donuts or rolls or something cinnamon swirls,

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Speaker 2: cinnamon swils. I think it was. I think you're wrong,

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Speaker 2: and my tongue latched onto it and wouldn't let go.

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Speaker 2: And so I've been eating cinnamon on my cereal or

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Speaker 2: whatever else ever since. And the cinnamon tea. This is

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Speaker 2: my first taste. Is beautiful because it goes beautifully with

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Speaker 2: the cake. I can tell you it will do in

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Speaker 2: in ten minutes time.

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Speaker 5: You have a big slab of cake. So Raymond, thank

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Speaker 5: you so much, my love. What a lovely thing that

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Speaker 5: you do for us every year. And I certainly couldn't

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Speaker 5: make cake like that, that's for sure. Leyden, I'll start,

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Speaker 5: Murray says, welcome back from your holiday abroad. Sorry to

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Speaker 5: hear about the horrendous accident your son in law went through,

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Speaker 5: including yourself and missus Producer. It did sound like a

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Speaker 5: nice location, though it was, if only we could have

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Speaker 5: enjoyed it. Murray, I did enjoy your interview with Dr

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Speaker 5: Oliver Hartwich on podcast three hundred an intelligent man, and

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Speaker 5: congratulations on your podcast achievement. The discussion around economics and

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01:16:51,373 --> 01:16:56,413
Speaker 5: doctor Hartwich's reference to Leonardo da Vinci was compelling. Recently,

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Speaker 5: a prominent American family advocate and Christian psychologist passed away

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01:17:01,133 --> 01:17:06,133
Speaker 5: in August. Doctor James Dobson continually strived to support the

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Speaker 5: family institution and emphasize its vital importance to the core

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Speaker 5: of any successful society. The family unit being a mum

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01:17:14,213 --> 01:17:16,413
Speaker 5: and a dad committed to each other in marriage and

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Speaker 5: providing the necessary nurture to their offspring to raise a

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Speaker 5: healthy and vigorous future generation. The family unit has never

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01:17:24,773 --> 01:17:27,333
Speaker 5: been under more attack than it is today, and the

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Speaker 5: consequences are increasingly evident. I just wonder if we had

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Speaker 5: the best economic climate possible and yet lack the stability

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Speaker 5: and integrity of the family nucleus, would we really see

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Speaker 5: the desperate improvement needed in our world today? Just a thought,

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Speaker 5: says Murray.

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Speaker 2: Murray, very good, Thank you from NOLL. Listen to this now.

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Speaker 2: This was written on the seventh of September. Welcome back

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Speaker 2: later in the Missus producer Oliver Wow. I had already

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Speaker 2: realized that he was intelligent and thoughtful about relevant issues.

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Speaker 2: But wow, we're just so fortunate to have him based

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Speaker 2: here in New Zealand. Regards NOL. That was yesterday today

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Speaker 2: the following, can I please just ever so slightly modify

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Speaker 2: my praise of Oliver please, Leyton, I have just read

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Speaker 2: his article in Today's Australian. I think he's being rather disingenuous,

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Speaker 2: describing last year's tax band adjustments as simply a tax

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Speaker 2: cut to help urban workers in reality, that was just

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01:18:29,853 --> 01:18:33,133
Speaker 2: a long overdue adjustment of the tax bands to recognize

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01:18:33,173 --> 01:18:39,533
Speaker 2: the impact mainly government created the impact of inflation over

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Speaker 2: the last few years. I feel calling it a tax

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Speaker 2: cut is quite annoying, especially from someone so much more

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Speaker 2: intelligent and capable than me. One of my greatest fears

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Speaker 2: if the Greens ever gain enough power Heaven forbid, is

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Speaker 2: that they'd realize, based on what labour did last time,

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Speaker 2: causing slash, creating more inflation significantly increases the tax take

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Speaker 2: without having to upset the citizens by increasing tax rates.

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Speaker 2: That's because the inflation they create will push more workers

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Speaker 2: into the higher tax brackets as they get pay increases

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Speaker 2: to enable them to cope with inflationary cost increases. Oliver,

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Speaker 2: you should know that a worker on the minimum wage

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Speaker 2: could have ended up paying thirty percent on part of

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01:19:22,733 --> 01:19:25,893
Speaker 2: their income if they worked on stat holidays or did

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Speaker 2: enough overtime before the tax bans were adjusted. Talk about

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Speaker 2: robbing the poor regards nol I might send your email

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Speaker 2: to Oliver and give him the opportunity to respond.

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Speaker 5: Jin says, thanks for informing me about Oliver Hartwitch's speech

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Speaker 5: on Leonardo da Vinci. I'm amazed at how he managed

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Speaker 5: to give a forty minute speech about Leo without any notes.

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Speaker 5: Then again, he's a prolific orator who's given a fair

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01:19:52,653 --> 01:19:56,133
Speaker 5: number of weighty speeches. I couldn't agree more. When he

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Speaker 5: opined that the problem with New Zealand and Germany is

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Speaker 5: down to MMP and moral posturing, he must be quite

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01:20:02,653 --> 01:20:05,733
Speaker 5: frustrated to see the two countries he loves being torn

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Speaker 5: apart by leaders like our Durnham Merkel, who both preferred

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Speaker 5: virtual signaling over doing good for their country. Almost ten

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Speaker 5: years ago, Oliver Hartwich gave a speech titled a Human

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Speaker 5: Tsunami where he warned of the effects of open borders

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Speaker 5: having an unmitigated wave of migrants from North Africa and

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Speaker 5: the Middle East into Europe, in particular Germany. He ended

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Speaker 5: a speech by saying Merkele's refugee policy was a big mistake.

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Speaker 5: It is a policy that costs the lives of thousands

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Speaker 5: of Syrians, it has politically destabilized Germany and Europe, and

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Speaker 5: will cost hundreds of billions, and yet it has done

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Speaker 5: nothing to solve the source of the Syrian conflict. Moralistic

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Speaker 5: posturing is not a substitute for good policy. There is

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01:20:52,133 --> 01:20:56,813
Speaker 5: a difference between meaning well and doing good. Maybe Merkle

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01:20:56,933 --> 01:20:59,293
Speaker 5: meant well, but that is the best you can say

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01:20:59,293 --> 01:21:03,413
Speaker 5: about her refugee policy. And Jin says this world needs

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01:21:03,533 --> 01:21:07,173
Speaker 5: more leaders who create and fewer leaders who virtue signal.

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Speaker 2: How spare us the virtue signalers one at all? Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Larry says, thanks as always for a great weekly podcast,

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Speaker 2: this time with the erudite Oliver Hartwitch. I listen with

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Speaker 2: interest to the discussion, particularly on the topic of productivity.

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01:21:24,853 --> 01:21:28,093
Speaker 2: My ears pricked up with the mention of capital intensity

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Speaker 2: and TFP, which stands for total factor productivity. I write

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Speaker 2: regularly on the topic of energy in the New Zealand context,

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Speaker 2: and recently published a piece on New Zealand's productivity problem.

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Speaker 2: I suspect this may be of interest to both yourself

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Speaker 2: and Oliver, as it frames the issue of productivity specifically,

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Speaker 2: specifically TFP as being largely attributable to the energy applied

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01:21:55,613 --> 01:21:58,853
Speaker 2: to both capital and labor. I hope you find it's

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Speaker 2: insightful somewhere. I've got the address. I'll see if I

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Speaker 2: can lay my eyes on it.

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Speaker 5: Laydon Paul's There's Having grown up and worked in the

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Speaker 5: UK during the latter Thatcher years, living here since ninety

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Speaker 5: eight and employing numerous staff. I believe the only way

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Speaker 5: to improve New Zealand productivity is to break the unions,

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Speaker 5: just as Maggie did with the miners, although it could

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Speaker 5: easily have been the nursing or engineering unions. As Oliver said,

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Speaker 5: education is the starting point and what a job Erica

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Speaker 5: is doing, only to be thwarted by the ridiculous idea

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01:22:33,773 --> 01:22:36,613
Speaker 5: that all the teachers, no matter their skill, should be

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01:22:36,733 --> 01:22:40,773
Speaker 5: paid the same. What example is this setting to their pupils.

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Speaker 5: Don't bother trying to be any more than average springs

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01:22:44,213 --> 01:22:47,693
Speaker 5: to mind the greatest issue that affects our planet as

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01:22:47,733 --> 01:22:52,013
Speaker 5: the human population. Fewer people simply equals fewer resources needed

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01:22:52,133 --> 01:22:55,653
Speaker 5: or used. Yet this is a taboo subject, putting the

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01:22:55,733 --> 01:22:58,613
Speaker 5: paradox of NZ me to one side. Our left wing

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01:22:58,813 --> 01:23:01,773
Speaker 5: media and its owners don't understand that pandering to the

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01:23:01,933 --> 01:23:05,213
Speaker 5: left and their keyboard warriors will only end in failure,

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01:23:05,813 --> 01:23:08,093
Speaker 5: as it's mainly the right who strive to get better

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01:23:08,413 --> 01:23:10,973
Speaker 5: educated and thus own firms rather than work for them.

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01:23:11,693 --> 01:23:14,813
Speaker 5: I have owned multiple businesses in New Zealand, all successful,

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01:23:15,213 --> 01:23:17,933
Speaker 5: and would never employ anyone again as it's easier to

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01:23:18,053 --> 01:23:22,293
Speaker 5: use subcontractors. If you try to improve productivity within your

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01:23:22,373 --> 01:23:25,293
Speaker 5: direct workforce, all the hands come out to see how

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01:23:25,373 --> 01:23:28,253
Speaker 5: much extra they will be paid. No long term views

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01:23:28,293 --> 01:23:32,253
Speaker 5: about growing the business, more secure employment, job prospects, etc.

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01:23:33,213 --> 01:23:36,093
Speaker 5: If there is no immediate income increase, you are accused

1446
01:23:36,093 --> 01:23:39,813
Speaker 5: of racism, agism, sexism, and whatever ism is in vogue

1447
01:23:39,853 --> 01:23:44,653
Speaker 5: on TikTok that week. Unfortunately, our MMP system doesn't work.

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01:23:44,813 --> 01:23:46,693
Speaker 5: The idea is good, but when there are so many

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01:23:46,733 --> 01:23:50,173
Speaker 5: people having their say, nothing ever gets done. Also, we

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01:23:50,213 --> 01:23:53,973
Speaker 5: should have the number of MPs and councils. I'll save

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01:23:54,053 --> 01:23:56,813
Speaker 5: the next rant for another time. Keep up the excellent

1452
01:23:57,213 --> 01:24:00,533
Speaker 5: interviews and opinion pieces. Even though I don't always agree,

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01:24:00,733 --> 01:24:03,373
Speaker 5: I do always enjoy listening and learning.

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Speaker 2: That's from Paul all very good and I appreciate it.

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01:24:07,213 --> 01:24:10,733
Speaker 2: The reference she made to MMP I can't agree with.

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01:24:11,253 --> 01:24:13,333
Speaker 2: I don't think MP was any good right from the start,

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01:24:13,333 --> 01:24:15,933
Speaker 2: and I still don't think it's any good. And you

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01:24:16,653 --> 01:24:20,693
Speaker 2: may have. I hope you enjoyed anyway, the commentary where

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01:24:21,373 --> 01:24:25,053
Speaker 2: Jim Allen touched on that. Today now from Sean, I

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01:24:25,213 --> 01:24:28,053
Speaker 2: very much enjoyed your interview with Oliver Hartwich. I couldn't

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01:24:28,093 --> 01:24:31,253
Speaker 2: agree more with most of what he said. However, I

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01:24:31,333 --> 01:24:36,453
Speaker 2: couldn't agree less with his compliments on Erica. There is

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01:24:36,533 --> 01:24:38,973
Speaker 2: no doubt she did a great job saving Vanguard from

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01:24:39,133 --> 01:24:42,013
Speaker 2: Labour's attempts to shut it down. If you've ever met

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01:24:42,053 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 2: a student from that school, you'll know that they are

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01:24:44,413 --> 01:24:47,173
Speaker 2: some of the most upstanding young people you could hope

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01:24:47,213 --> 01:24:52,093
Speaker 2: to meet. But her success ends there. I work in education,

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01:24:52,333 --> 01:24:56,053
Speaker 2: and I assure you that the rarification of everything has

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01:24:56,173 --> 01:25:00,133
Speaker 2: not slowed. If anything, it's accelerated. Many now seem to

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01:25:00,173 --> 01:25:03,093
Speaker 2: measure their virtue by how many mari words they can

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01:25:03,253 --> 01:25:07,173
Speaker 2: use that nobody else understands. My daughter has just had

1472
01:25:07,213 --> 01:25:10,053
Speaker 2: to write multiple s on why global warming is a

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01:25:10,093 --> 01:25:14,133
Speaker 2: bad thing. It's clear that dissent from that narrative is

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01:25:14,253 --> 01:25:17,533
Speaker 2: not allowed. Erica has done little to challenge this in

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01:25:17,613 --> 01:25:20,893
Speaker 2: our schools. In fact, she has entrenched it. In a

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01:25:20,973 --> 01:25:24,333
Speaker 2: sane world, anyone who encouraged kids to break the law

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01:25:24,613 --> 01:25:27,693
Speaker 2: so they could play Greta Thunberg for a day and

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01:25:27,893 --> 01:25:31,373
Speaker 2: march about climate change would never be allowed near the

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01:25:31,573 --> 01:25:36,733
Speaker 2: education system. But not Erica. Unfortunately, her capability seems confined

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01:25:36,773 --> 01:25:40,293
Speaker 2: to aligning with whatever the current thing happens to be.

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01:25:40,933 --> 01:25:44,013
Speaker 2: And no doubt the next thing too. When she isn't

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01:25:44,053 --> 01:25:46,933
Speaker 2: doing that, she's parading herself down the main street in

1483
01:25:47,053 --> 01:25:50,093
Speaker 2: a pink tutu, waving to the crowd like a Tier

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01:25:50,173 --> 01:25:53,613
Speaker 2: one celebrity, though I'd guess ninety percent of people wouldn't

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01:25:53,653 --> 01:25:56,653
Speaker 2: even know who she was. She nearly set the bar

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01:25:56,853 --> 01:26:00,493
Speaker 2: for cringe with that one, though, Sadly, Christopher Luxen still

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01:26:00,533 --> 01:26:05,293
Speaker 2: owns that crown. So unless Oliver actually wants more Moraification

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01:26:05,533 --> 01:26:09,173
Speaker 2: forced down our kids' throats, more rainbow fetishes squeezed into

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01:26:09,253 --> 01:26:13,573
Speaker 2: their classrooms, and more global warming indoctrination, he might butt

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01:26:13,573 --> 01:26:16,653
Speaker 2: a rethink his praise for Erica's contribution to our education

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01:26:17,413 --> 01:26:21,053
Speaker 2: in brackets in doctrination system. And to top it off,

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01:26:21,533 --> 01:26:25,653
Speaker 2: she proudly blocked property developments in o'cura, trashing property rights

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01:26:25,693 --> 01:26:28,813
Speaker 2: in the process. On all fronts, she may as well

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01:26:28,893 --> 01:26:32,093
Speaker 2: be sitting with Labor and the Greens. Sadly, the same

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01:26:32,173 --> 01:26:35,613
Speaker 2: could be said for much of National's cabinet. I love

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01:26:35,653 --> 01:26:38,933
Speaker 2: your show. I haven't missed a single episode. It's just

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01:26:39,613 --> 01:26:42,013
Speaker 2: what I need at the end of each Wednesday for

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01:26:42,133 --> 01:26:48,853
Speaker 2: my drive home. Regards Sean, now that's fairly aggressive. I

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01:26:48,973 --> 01:26:50,973
Speaker 2: have a feeling miss as producer that might be time

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Speaker 2: to invite Erica onto the podcast.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a great idea. Lake and Claire says,

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Speaker 5: welcome home. I'm so sorry about your son in law's

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01:26:59,093 --> 01:27:01,493
Speaker 5: broken leg and the horrible care he received on the

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01:27:01,533 --> 01:27:06,333
Speaker 5: small Greek island. It shows the necessity of comprehensive travel insurance.

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01:27:06,733 --> 01:27:08,253
Speaker 3: Yes, clear, it does, for sure.

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01:27:09,133 --> 01:27:11,293
Speaker 5: I hope he has learned the hard way not to

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01:27:11,373 --> 01:27:13,053
Speaker 5: get on scooters of any kind again.

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01:27:13,693 --> 01:27:15,053
Speaker 2: Sadly, yes he has.

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Speaker 5: Oliver's discussion of the importance of Leonardo d Evincually was superb.

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01:27:20,253 --> 01:27:22,013
Speaker 5: He is always a pleasure to listen to.

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01:27:22,813 --> 01:27:25,613
Speaker 2: I've got more on that too, to be honest to me,

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01:27:25,693 --> 01:27:29,533
Speaker 2: it was the highlight of the whole podcast. But if

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01:27:29,573 --> 01:27:31,773
Speaker 2: you haven't heard it, then you really should go do so.

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01:27:32,013 --> 01:27:37,173
Speaker 2: Late an excellent interview with your son, Christian writes Grant.

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01:27:38,053 --> 01:27:40,733
Speaker 2: I met him in Luca at the villa with you

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01:27:40,893 --> 01:27:44,133
Speaker 2: and missus producer six years ago. Then I thought he

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01:27:44,453 --> 01:27:49,813
Speaker 2: was well rounded, worldly and smart. I'm delighted that he's

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01:27:49,893 --> 01:27:53,173
Speaker 2: matured into the thinking man of today. The world needs

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01:27:53,253 --> 01:27:57,533
Speaker 2: more of his ilk. Grant lovely to hear from your Grant.

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01:27:58,253 --> 01:28:00,013
Speaker 2: You guys are well, I've just got toss up whether

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01:28:00,053 --> 01:28:05,133
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass it on. Okay, I think that's it.

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01:28:05,333 --> 01:28:05,613
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:28:06,173 --> 01:28:09,973
Speaker 2: We can depart and go separate ways. We can least

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01:28:10,093 --> 01:28:14,533
Speaker 2: until until about five thirty. See you later. See you then.

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01:28:30,213 --> 01:28:32,133
Speaker 2: And So to the story that I made mention of

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01:28:32,293 --> 01:28:34,813
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the podcast, and I think if

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01:28:34,853 --> 01:28:36,973
Speaker 2: you don't already know it, if you're not familiar with it,

1528
01:28:37,013 --> 01:28:40,613
Speaker 2: you'll understand why both Jim and I were feeling a

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01:28:40,653 --> 01:28:44,453
Speaker 2: little apprehensive about it at the time. But twenty four

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01:28:44,493 --> 01:28:48,973
Speaker 2: hours after we recorded that interview, there's even more information

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01:28:49,093 --> 01:28:53,613
Speaker 2: available on this particular incident. If I were telling you

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01:28:54,053 --> 01:28:56,733
Speaker 2: the whole story, I'd start with the opening of the

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01:28:57,173 --> 01:29:01,493
Speaker 2: train carriage doors and a young woman stepping through onto

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01:29:01,573 --> 01:29:04,733
Speaker 2: the train. But let me quote you Athena Thorn from

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01:29:04,813 --> 01:29:08,653
Speaker 2: PJ Media. It's headed the image that killed the Democrats

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01:29:08,693 --> 01:29:11,613
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six and beyond, And just like that,

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01:29:12,493 --> 01:29:15,573
Speaker 2: it's over for the Dems in the twenty twenty six midterms,

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01:29:16,333 --> 01:29:19,813
Speaker 2: maybe even the twenty eight general election. Maybe this is

1539
01:29:19,933 --> 01:29:23,653
Speaker 2: even the final nail in their creaky, splintering, mentally ill

1540
01:29:23,813 --> 01:29:27,853
Speaker 2: Marxist coffin. Right now, they're trying to ignore it, the

1541
01:29:27,933 --> 01:29:30,733
Speaker 2: way they tried to pretend that Hunter Biden's laptop didn't

1542
01:29:30,813 --> 01:29:34,853
Speaker 2: exist back in twenty twenty. They were successful enough that

1543
01:29:35,053 --> 01:29:38,133
Speaker 2: time to push their vote machine over the finish line

1544
01:29:38,453 --> 01:29:41,493
Speaker 2: in the Biden Harris favor. But that won't happen this time.

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01:29:42,173 --> 01:29:46,173
Speaker 2: This story, this image is already out there still, they're

1546
01:29:46,213 --> 01:29:48,733
Speaker 2: trying to ignore it, hoping it goes away.

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01:29:49,893 --> 01:29:50,013
Speaker 3: Now.

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01:29:50,093 --> 01:29:53,173
Speaker 2: This is after a considerable period of time since this

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01:29:53,453 --> 01:29:57,253
Speaker 2: incident took place, and there is a list that she

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01:29:57,373 --> 01:30:02,693
Speaker 2: has mounted. Zero AP stories on this deadly attack. Zero

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01:30:02,893 --> 01:30:07,093
Speaker 2: PBS stories on this deadly attack, Zero New York Times

1552
01:30:07,133 --> 01:30:13,293
Speaker 2: stories on this deadly attack, zero NPR National Public Radio stories,

1553
01:30:14,133 --> 01:30:19,813
Speaker 2: zero Wall Street Journal stories, zero BBC stories, zero CNN,

1554
01:30:20,413 --> 01:30:25,573
Speaker 2: and zero WAPO stories on this Washington Post that is

1555
01:30:26,813 --> 01:30:30,933
Speaker 2: on this particular incident, at which point somebody has put

1556
01:30:30,973 --> 01:30:35,413
Speaker 2: in a little post. No one commits narrative crimes like

1557
01:30:35,533 --> 01:30:39,093
Speaker 2: the New York Times. They are the best anyway. The

1558
01:30:39,213 --> 01:30:43,933
Speaker 2: only explanation I've seen anywhere is she writes, oh, it

1559
01:30:44,093 --> 01:30:48,013
Speaker 2: was never covered nationally because it was only a local story. Sure,

1560
01:30:48,413 --> 01:30:52,093
Speaker 2: like George Floyd's overdose in police custody was only a

1561
01:30:52,173 --> 01:30:56,013
Speaker 2: local story. Good luck with that, dodge Lefties. In all

1562
01:30:56,093 --> 01:30:59,333
Speaker 2: fairness to Democrats, their policies have made this situation so

1563
01:30:59,533 --> 01:31:02,493
Speaker 2: common that it may well have disappeared into the dim.

1564
01:31:03,413 --> 01:31:08,853
Speaker 2: A violent lunatic with fourteen previous, fourteen previous arrests under

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01:31:08,893 --> 01:31:12,373
Speaker 2: his belt, but who still freely roamed the streets randomly

1566
01:31:12,853 --> 01:31:15,973
Speaker 2: and viciously stabbed a young woman on the train, killing her.

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01:31:16,453 --> 01:31:19,053
Speaker 2: The murder occurred over two weeks ago, and they had

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01:31:19,093 --> 01:31:23,213
Speaker 2: every reason to believe that the local crime story was

1569
01:31:23,413 --> 01:31:27,453
Speaker 2: as dead as the beautiful young victim. But then the

1570
01:31:27,573 --> 01:31:32,693
Speaker 2: video emerged. Its chilling and terrifying, the horror that every

1571
01:31:32,853 --> 01:31:37,453
Speaker 2: urban female and plenty of males fears. The still image

1572
01:31:37,493 --> 01:31:41,093
Speaker 2: of the moment the madman's knife begins its descent is

1573
01:31:41,173 --> 01:31:44,173
Speaker 2: the most damning optic I've seen in years, and it

1574
01:31:44,253 --> 01:31:47,173
Speaker 2: will now become the face of the modern Democrat party.

1575
01:31:48,093 --> 01:31:50,773
Speaker 2: It gets worse for Democrats. The victim was not only young,

1576
01:31:50,933 --> 01:31:55,013
Speaker 2: female and stunning. She was a refugee from Ukraine, one

1577
01:31:55,053 --> 01:31:58,893
Speaker 2: of their fetish victims. She ran from war in Ukraine.

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01:31:59,173 --> 01:32:03,533
Speaker 2: She came here for safety, and America failed her. Twenty

1579
01:32:03,573 --> 01:32:07,493
Speaker 2: three year old Irna Zurutzka was butchered on a Charlotte

1580
01:32:07,573 --> 01:32:11,253
Speaker 2: light rail her throat cut open by a violent repeat

1581
01:32:11,253 --> 01:32:15,213
Speaker 2: offender who had been arrested fourteen times and was still free.

1582
01:32:15,613 --> 01:32:18,133
Speaker 2: The New York Post is one outlet that covered the story.

1583
01:32:19,133 --> 01:32:23,333
Speaker 2: Haunting new video revealed the terrifying moment a homeless ex

1584
01:32:23,493 --> 01:32:28,173
Speaker 2: con allegedly fatally stabbed a twenty three year old Ukrainian

1585
01:32:28,253 --> 01:32:31,253
Speaker 2: refugee in what police said was a random attack on

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01:32:31,333 --> 01:32:36,133
Speaker 2: a Charlotte light rail train. I Earna Zarutzka, who fled

1587
01:32:36,213 --> 01:32:39,293
Speaker 2: Wartorn Ukraine for a safer life in America, was on

1588
01:32:39,453 --> 01:32:42,413
Speaker 2: the Blue Lynx line just before ten pm August twenty

1589
01:32:42,493 --> 01:32:46,533
Speaker 2: second when she was ambushed, according to the Charlotte Mecklenburg

1590
01:32:46,653 --> 01:32:49,893
Speaker 2: Police Department. The survadan's footage was released Friday by the

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01:32:50,133 --> 01:32:55,013
Speaker 2: Charlotte Area Transit System, shows Zoritzka boarding the train in

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01:32:55,173 --> 01:32:59,613
Speaker 2: her pizzeria uniform at nine forty six pm and sitting

1593
01:32:59,773 --> 01:33:02,413
Speaker 2: looking at her phone, unaware of the danger behind her.

1594
01:33:03,133 --> 01:33:05,573
Speaker 2: Just four minutes later, thirty four year old de Carlos

1595
01:33:05,693 --> 01:33:09,733
Speaker 2: Brown Junior allegedly whips well, I guess they've still got

1596
01:33:09,773 --> 01:33:13,413
Speaker 2: to cover themselves for some reason or other allegedly whips

1597
01:33:13,453 --> 01:33:17,093
Speaker 2: out her folding knife and lunge's forward, stepping her three times,

1598
01:33:17,133 --> 01:33:20,613
Speaker 2: at least once in the neck. Those eyes that brave

1599
01:33:20,733 --> 01:33:24,933
Speaker 2: smile her courageous backstory fleeing war torn Ukraine for a

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01:33:25,053 --> 01:33:28,013
Speaker 2: chance at safety and freedom in American taking a humble

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01:33:28,133 --> 01:33:31,893
Speaker 2: job as a pizza clark in Charlotte, North Carolina, Lake

1602
01:33:31,973 --> 01:33:35,773
Speaker 2: and Riley, a young nursing student murdered by one of

1603
01:33:35,893 --> 01:33:40,053
Speaker 2: then President Joe Biden's illegal aliens, became a poster child

1604
01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:43,653
Speaker 2: for stopping the invasion. The description of her murder was

1605
01:33:43,733 --> 01:33:47,653
Speaker 2: shocking to the public consciousness, but still it was only words.

1606
01:33:48,173 --> 01:33:52,133
Speaker 2: Robin Westman's murder and maiming of young Catholic school kids

1607
01:33:52,573 --> 01:33:56,173
Speaker 2: at prayer was a shocking and tragic story. It was

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01:33:56,253 --> 01:33:59,573
Speaker 2: powerful enough to finally spark the public debate about what

1609
01:33:59,853 --> 01:34:03,853
Speaker 2: kind of medications are given to youth with gender dysphoria

1610
01:34:04,533 --> 01:34:07,133
Speaker 2: and whether they are sane enough to own guns. But

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01:34:07,333 --> 01:34:10,413
Speaker 2: still that story was only told in words. Here we

1612
01:34:10,533 --> 01:34:14,213
Speaker 2: have the video of the savage act committed by another Democrat,

1613
01:34:14,373 --> 01:34:17,973
Speaker 2: Sacred Cow, a black homeless man. You know, the kind

1614
01:34:18,013 --> 01:34:21,053
Speaker 2: of sweet, innocent victim Those awful racist cops are always

1615
01:34:21,093 --> 01:34:24,533
Speaker 2: trying to murder, even as Democrats surge in the streets

1616
01:34:24,573 --> 01:34:27,773
Speaker 2: of Washington, d C. Protesting the president's crackdown on crime.

1617
01:34:28,293 --> 01:34:32,413
Speaker 2: This chilling video, at its electrifying still image have hit

1618
01:34:32,493 --> 01:34:36,173
Speaker 2: the Internet. The Left could not be caught further out

1619
01:34:36,973 --> 01:34:39,933
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of the issue. They are exposed

1620
01:34:40,093 --> 01:34:45,053
Speaker 2: as the heinous morons that they are. A confession from

1621
01:34:45,133 --> 01:34:48,493
Speaker 2: the author, I do occasionally worry about Trump's over the

1622
01:34:48,573 --> 01:34:51,733
Speaker 2: top retrick and willingness to push the bounds of executive

1623
01:34:51,813 --> 01:34:55,773
Speaker 2: power even further than former President Barack Obama did. I

1624
01:34:55,893 --> 01:34:58,613
Speaker 2: know he's doing the right things, but every time he

1625
01:34:58,773 --> 01:35:02,333
Speaker 2: calls out the Guard or six the FBI on someone,

1626
01:35:02,493 --> 01:35:05,053
Speaker 2: or blows up a boat of our enemies, I can

1627
01:35:05,133 --> 01:35:08,933
Speaker 2: all too easily picture the next rabid Democrat president goring

1628
01:35:09,093 --> 01:35:12,373
Speaker 2: my ox in the same way. But then I see

1629
01:35:12,413 --> 01:35:15,093
Speaker 2: something like this, and I thank God for the man

1630
01:35:15,293 --> 01:35:17,973
Speaker 2: in the White House who has climbed a thwart history

1631
01:35:18,493 --> 01:35:23,813
Speaker 2: yelling stop. Because in the end, Democrats champion mental illness, crime,

1632
01:35:24,093 --> 01:35:28,453
Speaker 2: and the breakdown of civil disorder. They champion evil Republicans

1633
01:35:28,533 --> 01:35:32,773
Speaker 2: fight at period. It's over. Democrats be gone with him. Well,

1634
01:35:32,893 --> 01:35:38,533
Speaker 2: while I agree with her sentiments, almost unquestionably, I didn't

1635
01:35:38,573 --> 01:35:43,213
Speaker 2: intend to read that whole piece, but I just started

1636
01:35:43,253 --> 01:35:46,173
Speaker 2: and I finished it. You can find it if you want,

1637
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:51,093
Speaker 2: but I don't recommend you watch the actual event itself.

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01:35:51,893 --> 01:35:55,213
Speaker 2: The video that I saw stopped with his arm raised

1639
01:35:55,253 --> 01:35:57,733
Speaker 2: in the air with the knife, and you knew what

1640
01:35:57,893 --> 01:36:01,933
Speaker 2: was coming, and I think the following few seconds would

1641
01:36:01,973 --> 01:36:06,213
Speaker 2: be sickening. I don't think anybody needs to see it anyway.

1642
01:36:06,693 --> 01:36:10,693
Speaker 2: That was the story that has an increasing number of

1643
01:36:10,733 --> 01:36:14,413
Speaker 2: people being aware of. They tried desperately to hide it.

1644
01:36:14,493 --> 01:36:19,893
Speaker 2: They did. All those zeros through that list of top

1645
01:36:20,053 --> 01:36:24,013
Speaker 2: end legacy media tell the story, and it'll be interesting

1646
01:36:24,093 --> 01:36:26,973
Speaker 2: to see how they play it out from here on in.

1647
01:36:27,453 --> 01:36:30,293
Speaker 2: But there's nothing left to say except if you would

1648
01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:32,733
Speaker 2: like to write to us Latent at newstalksb dot co

1649
01:36:32,933 --> 01:36:36,253
Speaker 2: dot nz or Carolyn at Newstalks AB dot co dot nz.

1650
01:36:37,133 --> 01:36:40,933
Speaker 2: We shall return with three O two in a few days.

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01:36:41,573 --> 01:36:45,413
Speaker 2: Until then, as always, thank you for listening and we'll

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01:36:45,453 --> 01:36:45,853
Speaker 2: talk soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for more from News Talks ed B. Listen

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