1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: The government's given the green light a new medical school 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: at the University of Waikato. Doors will open twenty twenty 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: eight a starting role of one hundred and twenty students 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: a year. Eighty two million bucks. That's how much we 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: pay down from two hundred and eighty million dollars which 6 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: was previously promised at the election from National Sarah Dalton's 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: the executive director of the Association of Salary Medical Specialist 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Sarah Good morning. 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Good morning, Ryan, How are you doing very well? 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: Thank you. The government says we will get more rural 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: doctors and gps out of doing this at Wyicuta university. 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: What stops you from you know, once you do your studies, 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: how do you decide or are there rules about where 14 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: you must go next. 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 2: It's just every new graduate doctor has to do two 16 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: years practical work. Generally in hospitals. They're the ones known 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: as house officers before they get their general registration with 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: the Medical Council. So no doctor emerging from university has 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: any specialty. They might think they know that they want 20 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 2: to be a rural doctor or a surgeon, or an 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: anethetist or a psychiatrist or a GP that they have 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: to do this two years and then they will continue 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: on as a registrar, choose a training program with one 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: of the colleges, and once they emerge from that training 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: program five to ten years later, they will be a specialist. So, 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 2: you know, everyone might hope that more people who go 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: to this new medical school will be GPS or rural 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: hospital medicine specialists, but we can't guarantee that. The bottom line, 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: and this is the good news, is that the more 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: doctors we train, the more doctors will have And actually 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: the highest proportions of any single specialist group registered with 32 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: the Medical Council now are GPS. So it stands the 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: reason that the more we train, the more GPS will get. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: Do we know, of the doctors that we currently train, 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: how many of them end up overseas? 36 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: I don't personally know that statistic, But. 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Because is there a risk that we train these people 38 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: and then they bugger off? 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: Oh, there is absolutely that risk. But there is a 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: side of the coin, which is make the terms and 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: conditions to stay here, make it make it easier to 42 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: stay here, make it better to stay here, Guarantee them jobs, 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: make sure they're earning good money. We've got a real 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: problem with Australian doctors earning so much more than they 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: can possibly earn a new helmand. 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: How much do you mean, because I mean I've seen 47 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: some of those specialist rates and I've had friends have 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: moved for these rates and they're double. What you know, 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: do we need to double? What are you realistically? 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're talking senior doctors, obviously we because we 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,279 Speaker 2: deal with salary doctors. So if we just make that comparison. 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 2: In Australian they have a state system. So the state 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: we are doctors earn the least currently is New South Wales. 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: Our specialist scale starts at step one, goes all the 55 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: way to step fifteen, So after fifteen years a doctor 56 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: here will be top of our specialist scale. And in 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: Australia in their first year they can earn more than 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: our step fifteen, which so you can go to Australia 59 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: and earn more in your first year then you can 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: earn yeah, in. 61 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: Your first day experience, Sarah, that is that is quite 62 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: a number. Sarah Doll's and an executive director of the 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. For more from early edition 64 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: with Ryan Bridge, listen live to news talks at b 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: from five am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.