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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather duperic on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show. Do we have a ceasefire

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Speaker 3: deal in Gaza? We're going to speak to Stephen Hoadley,

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Speaker 3: international relations expert. Why did the handgloers get to unplead

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Speaker 3: their guilty charge? They're guilty. Please, We're going to speak

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Speaker 3: to a lawyer to explain. And also apparently there's a

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Speaker 3: drop off and kids going over on sleepovers. His parents

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Speaker 4: Heather dupericylis right.

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Speaker 3: This debate about Anamobra and Ali Williams's helicopter has just

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Speaker 3: got really, really silly. In the last day. There is

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Speaker 3: now a push for Auckland Council to ban private choppers

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Speaker 3: the counselor whose ward covers the Mobra property. Now I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: but howicopters are a legitimate form of travel for people

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Speaker 3: And if that is what the Mobra Williams family want

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Speaker 3: a noisy motorbike. And yet we're not banning noisy motorbikes,

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Speaker 3: are we. Some noisy motorbikes, by the way, are as

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Speaker 3: more So why are we doing the same with a chopper?

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Speaker 3: Can't I can't help but feel that some of this

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Speaker 3: lucky actually that the mobrays have chosen to live in

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Speaker 3: Welcome to WAYN nine two nine two is the text number.

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Speaker 3: Standard text fees apply now on jury trials. There is

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Speaker 3: a call for us to end jury trials for cases

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Speaker 3: of sexual violence. One of the voices leading this is

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Speaker 3: the government's chief victim's advisor, Ruth Money Hey, Ruth good Afternoon,

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Speaker 3: why do you want to get rid of them?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we can do better. I think we

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Speaker 3: Because isn't that that's not really the jury's job and

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Speaker 5: There have been some really perverse outcomes with jury based

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Speaker 3: What's give me an example of a perverse outcome?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the problem with a lot of the

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Speaker 3: Hither We had a helicopter a couple of streets away

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Speaker 3: he Elliott afternoon, Heather has Justin Marshall got a point?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think let's have a listen first and foremost,

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Speaker 8: You know, at the end of the day, there's forty

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Speaker 8: It's honestly, in my mind it's completely yes, you know,

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Speaker 7: And there's been a bit of frustration hither around the

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Speaker 3: sports talk host already in Donner's This is how excited

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the day forward, when it's

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Speaker 4: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 3: Ali Williams's best friend is Richie McCaw. So I expect

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Speaker 3: Ali wants Richie to fly his helicopter to his place.

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Speaker 3: No way, Donna, No. I asked Allie. Allie was in

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Speaker 11: Are they going to fly the chopper?

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Speaker 11: I do like the idea that Richie McCaw is just

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think so. I think he's got

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Speaker 3: Now I asked Allie, I said, what do you want

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Speaker 3: So I worked it out. So so I'm weirdly fascinated

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Speaker 3: by this. Now you could he could drive to his batch,

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Speaker 3: I reckon it would take him three and a half hours.

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Speaker 12: Now? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I might as well? Do you want to know what

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Speaker 3: the Greens think of all the shoplifting fines that we're announced?

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Speaker 13: We think that criminalizing people who have to resort stealing

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Speaker 3: Because apparently the only reason that people shoplifter is because

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Speaker 13: Do you know how stupid and cruel it is to

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Speaker 3: We'll hang on a tick, though, because I don't Goleris

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Speaker 3: But you know what will.

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Speaker 13: When it comes to things like shoplifting, You know what

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Speaker 3: So anyway, it's been a tough week for Tan because

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Speaker 1: Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 4: The'd be I'm a.

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Speaker 2: Double shadow with no need now down yes stream.

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Speaker 14: There's a party downtown here Fair Street.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go to politics shortly listen, just a

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Speaker 3: quick updates on what's going on in Victoria. You know,

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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from five, it's.

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Speaker 4: The World Wires on news talks. They'd be drive now.

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Speaker 3: As we've been discussed, Israel has agreed to a sixty

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Speaker 15: I have two young daughters who are always hungry. I

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill Act has only just

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Speaker 3: Elon hates it, so he's had another rent on social

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Speaker 12: You know you're not doj Doja is a monster that

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Speaker 7: Willn't that be fair.

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Speaker 12: About He gets a lot of subsidies Petter.

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Speaker 3: And finally some more Trump for you.

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Speaker 16: Rich people from Beverly Hills generally speaking, don't smell so.

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Speaker 3: Good, so as a result, he wants to fix of

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Speaker 3: these release his own fragrance. It's called Trump Victory forty

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Speaker 3: A ninety seven mill bottle will cost you four hundred

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Well, you buy one of those, you're not going to

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Speaker 3: Correspondence with US Now hallo, Charles Hell. Okay, how do

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Speaker 17: Well, you know, there are a lot of Republicans, not

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Speaker 17: So if I had to bet there will be something

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Speaker 17: Well, of course one of them. Donald Trump is president

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Speaker 17: thinks is abhorrent, he will not rest until he throws

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Speaker 17: I don't know, it comes down to who are you

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Speaker 17: mind that the Trump and the MAGA movement, and I'm

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Speaker 17: using that word specifically movement. You know, it's very hard

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Speaker 17: for his base to go against him. And if that

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Speaker 17: base thinks that they should or the representatives should vote

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Speaker 17: for this bill, it's going to be hard for representatives

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Speaker 17: to go against the president. But having said that, Heather,

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Speaker 17: this bill is extremely unpopular. Poll after poll after poll

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Speaker 17: is showing that the majority of Americans, across all demographic groups,

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Speaker 17: across all parts of the United States.

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Speaker 4: Don't like it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting. Now what's going on with p Diddy?

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Speaker 17: Well, you know, the trial is ongoing, the jury indicating

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Speaker 17: earlier today that it had reached a verdict on some

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Speaker 17: of the charges against him. Of course we don't know

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Speaker 17: what the verdict is, but they were not able to

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Speaker 17: reach a vertict on actually what is the most significant charge,

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Speaker 17: which is a racketeering charge, and it carries the most

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Speaker 17: sizable prison term if convicted on it. They sent notes

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Speaker 17: out to the judge saying that there are members of

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Speaker 17: the panel that you know won't change their mind, and

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Speaker 17: judges do have a certain degree of power to insist

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Speaker 17: that jurors go back into the deliberation room until they

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Speaker 17: reach a verdict. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 17: there does come a time when if they cannot reach

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Speaker 17: a verdict on that particular charge, then they would have

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Speaker 17: a hung jury on that one charge.

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Speaker 3: Can we assume that if they have reached a unanimous

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Speaker 3: agreement on some of those charges that it would be guilty.

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm reluctant. I've covered so many court cases over

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Speaker 17: the years. I learned a long time ago never to

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Speaker 17: try to guess what a jury is going to do

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Speaker 17: or not do, since I wasn't in the courtroom and

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Speaker 17: I wasn't tibute to the presentation of evidence, So I'm

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Speaker 17: going to pass on predicting how the jury is going

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Speaker 17: to vote. I've seen durors come back quickly with a

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Speaker 17: guilty verdict, I've seen them come back quickly with a

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Speaker 17: not guilty verdict, and you know every variation thereof, So

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Speaker 17: it's really it's just impossible.

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Speaker 3: Charles, Thanks appreciated. Charles Feldman, US correspondent in Australia. The

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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Penny Wong is in Washington at the moment.

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Speaker 3: She's in a meeting. She had a meeting this afternoon

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Speaker 3: with Marco Ruby. It didn't come out of it very

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Speaker 3: long ago. Clearly has got no guarantee that the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration is going to continue with the orcust Defense Pact

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Speaker 3: with Australia, because she was asked quite directly where the

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Speaker 3: Rubio had guaranteed the agreement would go ahead, and she

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Speaker 3: would not answer that question directly. She said, I think

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Speaker 3: we both understand the importance to both our countries and

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Speaker 3: the UK. So I would say, if you're a fan

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Speaker 3: of Aucus, maybe you should start accepting that or preparing

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Speaker 3: yourself for that. And if you don't love UCUS well

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Speaker 3: like the Labor Party, maybe there's some hope there. Seventeen

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Speaker 3: Away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centric Credit, Check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 3: Certady Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors, with me right now. Hello, Thomas, So,

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about what happened this

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Speaker 3: morning on Nick Mills' show, This is Wellington Mornings. Chris

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins was talking about ram raids. Things took quite

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Speaker 3: a turn.

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Speaker 10: I could be asking there we don't ever hear of

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Speaker 10: ram raids anymore? Is that because of the system that

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Speaker 10: you put in place, or is it since the coalition's

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Speaker 10: come in.

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Speaker 18: Now it's because your Tory owners that Ends ed me

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Speaker 18: have just decided not to put it on the front

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Speaker 18: page anymore. It's still happening. It's just Ends and Me

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Speaker 18: have decided that it's not in the government's best interests.

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Speaker 18: And they do the National parties singing for them, so

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Speaker 18: they are they're not covering it as much anymore.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, that's a bit tough to go. Do you

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Speaker 4: think that that.

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Speaker 3: Is he saying that with a straight face.

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Speaker 9: Well, fortunately with radio you can't really tell. But I'm

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Speaker 9: honestly it's look, obviously, I'm deeply conflicted here being someone

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Speaker 9: who works for the company that puts together that front page.

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Speaker 9: But I did pull together some stats on those ram raids.

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Speaker 9: So in twenty twenty two we were having about fifty

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Speaker 9: nine ram raids a month. So twenty thirty two, the

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Speaker 9: last year of full year of the Labor government, seven

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Speaker 9: hundred and fourteen ram raids that year. Now we've had

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Speaker 9: forty five ram raids total. This year, about nine ram

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Speaker 9: raids a month for each month that we have data.

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Speaker 9: So so the reason I don't put together the front page

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Speaker 9: and and so I don't know what what how it's

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Speaker 9: put together, but I would imagine the reason why there

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Speaker 9: aren't so many ram raids on the front page is

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Speaker 9: that there are just far througher ram raids. And you know,

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Speaker 9: the government's not perfect. But one area you would.

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Speaker 3: Say that to defend you, yes, we're.

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Speaker 9: Also I mean, we're a publicly traded company, so that

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Speaker 9: so many people own stocks and are ender to me.

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Speaker 9: And I'm sure some of them are Tories and some

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Speaker 9: of them are not Tories. It's it is part of

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Speaker 9: being a listed company.

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Speaker 3: So is this chippy just kind of you know, just

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Speaker 3: just riffing or is this part of strategy.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's I mean, it's interesting. It's interesting that he

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Speaker 9: leaned into this thing because that time IPSOS Issues monitor

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Speaker 9: that came out a few months ago. Labor is ahead

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Speaker 9: of the government on most issues that are affecting voters,

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Speaker 9: cost of living, even inflation, housing areas where labor traditionally

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Speaker 9: does not lead national. One area where labor is behind

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Speaker 9: national still is on law and order. So it is

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Speaker 9: maybe he's looking for an excuse to explain why Labor's

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Speaker 9: behind national and law and order. The government is obviously

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Speaker 9: making a big virtue of law and order this week,

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Speaker 9: but look of what you know. You can't crime statistics

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Speaker 9: are a mercurial thing, but it is difficult to fudge

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Speaker 9: these numbers. The RAM raids. To be fear to the government,

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Speaker 9: they've had a massive success in bringing those down. And

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Speaker 9: to be fear to Labor, ram raids dropped by it

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Speaker 9: was seven hundred and fourteen and twenty two and they

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Speaker 9: dropped to four hundred and ninety five and twenty three,

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Speaker 9: so that they did start coming down under Labor too.

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Speaker 3: But what about what about blaming the media? Because this,

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Speaker 3: I think is a fascinating thing, right, this has been

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Speaker 3: going on. Parties across the spectrum have been doing it.

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Speaker 3: Just Cinda pulled out of the interviews with Mike. You've

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Speaker 3: had New Zealand first deliberately deliberately trying to bait our

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Speaker 3: n Z into arguments. You've had Act refusing to go

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Speaker 3: on Morning Report. You've had now the Labor Party have

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Speaker 3: a crack at the end, Z meet like it feels

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Speaker 3: to me like it suits. You're certainly seeing enough of it.

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Speaker 3: For me to think that it could potentially be a

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Speaker 3: strategy to have a crack at at whichever media organization

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Speaker 3: you feel as your enemy.

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Speaker 9: I certainly agree to me, it always feels like like

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Speaker 9: blaming the ref. And now, obviously you know reefs do

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Speaker 9: get things wrong, for media gets things wrong, but everyone

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Speaker 9: knows that it's usually not the ref that causes the

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Speaker 9: game to go one way or the other. A good

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Speaker 9: team will prevail in more games than not because of

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Speaker 9: their performance rather than the ref. And I think it's

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Speaker 9: the same in politics. You know that the media will

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Speaker 9: get things right sometimes. I'll get things wrong sometimes, But

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Speaker 9: if you've got the solutions, then you'll be able to

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Speaker 9: have said.

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Speaker 3: That provide Thomas, I mean, you and I both work

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Speaker 3: in this industry, in the sector, right we understand that

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Speaker 3: we are gatekeepers and that there is a fair amount

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Speaker 3: of blame to be laid at the feet of people

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Speaker 3: who are choosing the news angles, choosing the subjects, deciding

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Speaker 3: deciding how to write the thing, choosing what words to use.

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Speaker 9: Right, absolutely, and like I'm not you know that with

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Speaker 9: with this, I think it's fair to point out that

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Speaker 9: I just think that the data doesn't really better for

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Speaker 9: what Chris's saying, but you know, I back all politicians

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Speaker 9: publicly grumbling about about things, specific things that they don't

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Speaker 9: they don't like. I think it's you know, the media

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Speaker 9: does have a powerful role to play in society, and

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Speaker 9: politicians of every right if they don't think that something's

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Speaker 9: been handled appropriately to call it out.

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Speaker 3: You make a fair point. It's just Chippy has chosen

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Speaker 3: a bad example because actually he just his government just

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Speaker 3: let the rand raids happen, didn't they? Yes, okay, listen,

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Speaker 3: talk me through this business with New Zealand First and

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Speaker 3: the flags. Okay they want to They've got as a

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Speaker 3: private member's bill where it would only allow the New

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Speaker 3: Zealand flag to be flown on government buildings. Why what's going.

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Speaker 9: Would I tried to get in touch with the New

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Speaker 9: Zealand First before coming on the show. They didn't return

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Speaker 9: my call. The the the issue they have is that

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Speaker 9: the pud me that the legislation, it's Andy Foster's Members Bill,

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Speaker 9: would ban symbols and flags of politically motivated ideology and

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Speaker 9: division from being displayed on government buildings. And the words

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Speaker 9: of Winston Peters. One of the issues that the party

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Speaker 9: has had and passed has been the display of the

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Speaker 9: Pride flag, the transgender flag outside parliament. You know that

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Speaker 9: the big line of flagpoles outside Parliament. They display a

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Speaker 9: number of flags depending you know, it's sort of whatever

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Speaker 9: particular week or issue it is, you know, the Pride

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Speaker 9: month and then there's you know, other months. You know

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Speaker 9: what it's like. The Parliament tends to display those flags.

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Speaker 9: New Zealand First has raised issues with that in the past.

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Speaker 9: This would basically ban that would also bean bean non

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Speaker 9: national flags from local authority buildings and state schools only

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Speaker 9: the official flag of New Zealand. So's it seems like

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Speaker 9: a little bit of of an overreaction if you ask me.

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Speaker 3: But whether they are a nationalistic party and this is

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Speaker 3: this is you know.

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Speaker 9: Expire, I think you'd want to you'd want to allow

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Speaker 9: you know, local government should be able to display you know,

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Speaker 9: the absolutely positively willing to flag.

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Speaker 3: No. No, it's sadly I thote in favor of taking

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Speaker 3: more decisions away from local government, absolutely not giving them

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Speaker 3: any more. Thomas, you are such a soft touch. Thank

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Speaker 3: you man, I really appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, The Herald's

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Speaker 3: Political edit. Thomas is that kind of dad who just

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Speaker 3: lets the kids do everything. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 3: No to the children at local government level? Eight away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 14: Well Goldsmith is the Justice Minister and as well as

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Speaker 14: what tangibly do you expect to happen as a result

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Speaker 14: of all the announcements you've made this week? Well, our

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Speaker 14: primary goal in the justice space is to reduce the

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Speaker 14: number of victims of crime.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're focused on. The good users that we're

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Speaker 4: making progress on.

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Speaker 14: That a whole bunch of things which is all designed

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Speaker 14: to push back against this weird idea that it's okay

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Speaker 14: just to walk out without paying for stuff and everybody

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Speaker 14: else's find thing. Do you honestly expect a person who

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Speaker 14: nicks a side of beef and a doesn't be to

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Speaker 14: pay a.

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Speaker 4: Fine, Well, I expect them to be given a fine.

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Speaker 8: Now, if you're saying, well, some people don't pay their fines,

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Speaker 8: that's true and that's another challenge.

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Speaker 14: Back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 14: a VDA News Talk z.

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Speaker 3: B Hither the reef has been bribed by the Public

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Speaker 3: Interest Journalism Fund Look that's a fair point. Actually, the

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Speaker 3: media have unfortunately allowed themselves to be politicized in that respect.

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Speaker 3: Hither if enzid me is Torri, how do you explain

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Speaker 3: Simon Wilson exactly. Yeah, that's quite I'm going to use that.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be my go to argument all the

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Speaker 3: time and be like, no, we're not Tory owned. Look

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Speaker 3: at Simon anyway, Listen, we need to talk about Oh jeez,

656
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Speaker 3: I've got so much to talk to you about. I

657
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Speaker 3: really want to talk about birthcare. If you haven't been

658
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Speaker 3: to birthcare. Birthcare is like an old school maternity wards

659
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Speaker 3: type thing in Auckland. Wonderful, but that seems to me

660
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Speaker 3: some people want to shut it down. We'll talk about

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Speaker 3: that shortly. Also need to talk about sleepovers now. Apparently

662
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Speaker 3: there is a massive decrease in the number of parents

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Speaker 3: allowing the kiddies to go to sleepovers. Yeah, the eighties

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Speaker 3: and nineties is free for all, but nowadays parents aren't

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Speaker 3: doing it because a little bit worried about what happens

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Speaker 3: at the other person's house, Like it might be devices,

667
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Speaker 3: too much device use, could be that they're not entirely

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Speaker 3: sure the kiddies are safe. If you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to talk about this with an expert,

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Speaker 3: a parenting expert. Actually, who's gonna you know, what should

671
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Speaker 3: you be worried about? And so on. She's with us

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Speaker 3: after half past five. Do you remember those passenger those

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Speaker 3: restore rail passenger hand gluing freaks. Do you remember them,

674
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Speaker 3: the ones who had disrupted the traffic in Wellington? Well,

675
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Speaker 3: guess what, all of their charges have disappeared. Bunch of them,

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Speaker 3: about six of them actually pleaded guilty, turned up to

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Speaker 3: court yesterday to hear what when they're going to set

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Speaker 3: a sentencing date and already pleaded guilty, turned up for

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Speaker 3: the sentencing date, and then we're like, h actually, can

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Speaker 3: we change our minds? Not guilty? And I'd just like, oh,

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Speaker 3: you're cool, what did you Oh you said you did

682
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Speaker 3: it before, but now you're saying you didn't do it. Okay, cool, Bye, Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's fine, and that how does that work? Anyway? To

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Speaker 3: talk to a lawyer to figure that one out shortly?

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Speaker 3: Because that's that's quite bizarre. I'd love to be able

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Speaker 3: to change my mind about everything like that if I possibly.

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Speaker 3: Next up, though, let's get an update on what's going

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Speaker 3: on with that ceasefire and Gaza news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the Smiths to find the real story. Oring

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Speaker 1: it's hither dupasy on drive with one New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says Israel has agreed to a sixty day

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Speaker 3: cease fire deal in Gaza and has warned Hamas to

695
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Speaker 3: take this deal as well because it will only get worse.

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Speaker 3: Israel and Hamasa yet to confirm this publicly. International relations

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Speaker 3: experts Stephen Hodley is back of this high Stephen.

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Speaker 12: Heather, nice to be talking to you again.

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Speaker 3: It's lovely to talk to you again. Do you think

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Speaker 3: that he is forcing them into a sea spire by

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Speaker 3: doing this?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely? Donald Trump pots to put himself in the middle

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Speaker 12: of it, take credit for the whole thing. It's bizarre.

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Speaker 12: If you go onto the internet, you find Trump says everything.

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Speaker 12: I've seen nothing from Netanhu yet or from Hamas spokespeople.

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Speaker 12: So this is very much a performative initiative by Trump himself.

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Speaker 3: Well, it worked because it worked. This isn't how he

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Speaker 3: planned it out with Iran and Israel, didn't he And

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Speaker 3: it actually worked.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'm not so sure, because the major issues still remain.

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Speaker 12: Hamas want Israel out of Gaza, and Israel is not

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Speaker 12: inclined to leave Gaza until Hamas is disarmed and all

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Speaker 12: the hostages are returned. So the fundamental clash between the

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Speaker 12: two is still there no matter what Trump says.

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Speaker 3: So how could it possibly work, Stephen.

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Speaker 12: Well, it catz. We're talking about two incompatible demands between

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Speaker 12: Humas that wants to survive, keep the hostages, keep control

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Speaker 12: of the Gaza population, and Israel that wants the opposite.

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Speaker 12: So I predict that whatever Trump says, the conflict will

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Speaker 12: continue and he will have to agencies will have to

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Speaker 12: do their best to help the innocent victims.

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Speaker 3: Well, the I mean, in the scenario that you're describing,

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Speaker 3: this conflict just goes on until one or other side

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Speaker 3: is wiped out.

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Speaker 12: It's much different to the Israeli Iran conflict. We're not

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Speaker 12: talking about two governments. We're talking about a government and

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Speaker 12: a militia, and the way they operate is totally different.

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Speaker 12: The Israelis are trying to operate according to law and

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Speaker 12: bureaucratic practice, and the militia are operating according to survival

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Speaker 12: tactics and using whatever advantages they can of the broken

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Speaker 12: terrain and terrorist initiatives. So it's an asymmetrical conflict therefore

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Speaker 12: quite different to the clash between Israel and Iran.

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Speaker 3: I see. So whatever, if there was a ceasefire that

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Speaker 3: was agreed to, it would be temporary.

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Speaker 12: If it be yes, it'd be wonderful. I mean, we

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Speaker 12: all want to cease fire. We want the innocent people

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Speaker 12: to stop being harmed and killed. We want aid to

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Speaker 12: flow into Gaza. We want the rebuilding process to begin. Remember,

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Speaker 12: it didn't take more than a year or two to

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Speaker 12: rebuild Germany and Japan. They were flintened after World War Two.

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Speaker 12: So the potential for a rebuilt and a dynamic new

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Speaker 12: Gaza is there. The potential for a resolution of Israel

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Speaker 12: with the golf Arab States is also there. Now that

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Speaker 12: is that Ivan is disarmed. So there are lots of potential,

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Speaker 12: but the Palestinians stand right in the middle of it.

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Speaker 12: Until this issue is settled, then nothing else is settled.

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Speaker 3: All right, Stephen, thank you as always appreciated. Stephen Hadley,

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Speaker 3: international relations expert.

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Speaker 4: Here the duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The city in regional deals that the government has been

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Speaker 3: banging on are about a one step closer to reality.

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Speaker 3: Three regions have now signed MoU with the government. One

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Speaker 3: is the Western Bay of Plenty including and Tung is

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Speaker 3: me and my head Rysdale is with us.

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Speaker 19: Now, how my ham good evening, Heather.

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Speaker 3: This MoU is basically where you start the negotiations, isn't.

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Speaker 19: It It is so it's been a long process to

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Speaker 19: get to hear but no, it's it's now time to

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Speaker 19: sit down at the table and start.

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Speaker 10: The real work.

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Speaker 3: What do you want to get out of it?

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Speaker 19: Well, we want certainty, you know around investment into our region.

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Speaker 19: We want some new tools to be able to help

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Speaker 19: us with our infrastructure and unlock some of the infrastructure

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Speaker 19: so we can deliver the houses. We can deliver the

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Speaker 19: infrastructure that's required to get those houses, we can deliver jobs,

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Speaker 19: and we can deliver the economic growth that the government

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Speaker 19: keeps talking about.

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Speaker 3: When you say tools, you mean money.

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Speaker 19: It's it's well, it is money ultimately, but it's it's

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Speaker 19: how we can get that money, and that's what we're How.

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Speaker 3: Do you get that money? Don't they just give you

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Speaker 3: the money?

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Speaker 19: No, it's it's you know, it's I guess it's one

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Speaker 19: of those things that as a negotiation they've said there's

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Speaker 19: no extra money on the table, but it's sharing in

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Speaker 19: some of the good parts of growth. And you know,

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Speaker 19: for example, we build infrastructure and two thousand houses, we

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Speaker 19: get a big debt on our balance sheet and that

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Speaker 19: gets paid off over the next ten to twenty years

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Speaker 19: through development contributions, and the government get all the GST

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Speaker 19: and the income tax of us delivering that growth. So

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Speaker 19: it's just a little bit more of a two way

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Speaker 19: street that they help us with some of that growth

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Speaker 19: through what they're getting from us delivering that growth.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and how long do you imagine this will take?

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Speaker 19: Oh, look, they've said they want the first deal by

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Speaker 19: the end of a year. I guess we feel like

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Speaker 19: we're in a pretty good position. And the fact that

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Speaker 19: we don't have an election. The other two regions have

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Speaker 19: an election to navigate through October, so it's going to

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Speaker 19: be pretty hard to negotiate. So we're hopeful that we

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Speaker 19: might be first and we'll be have a deal by

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Speaker 19: the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: Listen, mahe can I ask you is it okay? I mean,

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Speaker 3: can you really tell me it's a chill thing to

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Speaker 3: do to put up your rates by ten percent when

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Speaker 3: you guys have just signed a lease for like, what's it,

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Speaker 3: ninety two million dollars for a council building. That's that big,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, look at this, this is a something that keeps

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Speaker 19: coming up. Look, at the end of a day, we

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Speaker 19: need a place to to lease. We were leasing other

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Speaker 19: buildings up until now. You know, this wasn't a decision

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Speaker 19: we made, but it's it is a decision the commissioners

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Speaker 19: that they signed the lease in about twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: We can't undo it.

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Speaker 19: Oh no, not at all. It's it was done and

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Speaker 19: dusted by the time we got there. But you know,

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Speaker 19: at the end of the day, it's not that much

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Speaker 19: more expensive than the three buildings we're leasing around town

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Speaker 19: to house our staff. You know, our council has to

813
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Speaker 19: how's this stuff? And you know, it's been great to

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Speaker 19: have the community come through and we've been leading tours.

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Speaker 19: Will do more tours next week getting people through. They

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Speaker 19: can see the working environment. It's not any different to

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Speaker 19: most of the other officers.

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Speaker 12: But yeah it is.

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Speaker 20: I see where it is with the.

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Speaker 19: Timing and the look of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you can see that.

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Speaker 1: Maha.

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Speaker 16: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Look after yourself Maha Drysdale toting.

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Speaker 4: A mayorgether do for sea Al.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if you don't like the boy rasers, I've got

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Speaker 3: some good news for you. Another twelve people have been

828
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Speaker 3: arrested and charged for what happened and live in at

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Speaker 3: King's Birthday weekend. Already ten people had been arrested in charge.

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Speaker 3: Now it's another twelve, So that's total twenty two. Charges

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Speaker 3: include possessions of offensive weapon, arson, failing to stop to

832
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Speaker 3: ascertain injury, failing to stop for the coppers, sustained loss

833
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Speaker 3: of traction, driving in a dangerous manner, driving well disqualified,

834
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Speaker 3: unlawful assembly, unlawfully in an enclosed yard, and excess breath

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Speaker 3: alcohol level. Good job fourteen past five. Nice work, Heather

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Speaker 3: on all the maths. Ten plus twelve does in fact

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Speaker 3: equal twenty two. Hey, that's harsh. Don't forget. I did

838
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Speaker 3: go through the New Zealand math system. So anything that

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Speaker 3: I can still do I think is a win. By

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Speaker 3: the way, listen news just in Paramount has agreed to

841
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Speaker 3: pay sixteen million dollars to settle that lawsuit from Trump.

842
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: This is the CBS sixty Minutes lawsuits. That's another win

843
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 3: for him in the courts. On that front. Eighteen past five. Now,

844
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Speaker 3: speaking of the courts, all the charges against the handgloing

845
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: restore passenger rail protesters have been dismissed. But what's weird

846
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: about this is how they've been dismissed. Six of these

847
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: dudes had already pleaded guilty to minor charges and then

848
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: yesterday they turned up to court to find out what

849
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: the sentencing date would be, and at that point they

850
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: changed their minds and they decided to withdraw the guilty

851
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Speaker 3: please and go if we're not guilty, please, and the

852
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: judge allowed it. Steve Cullen is a criminal lawyer with US. Now, hey, Steve,

853
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Speaker 3: oh good a, Heather, is that weird?

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Speaker 16: It's very odd. Under the Criminal Procedure Act, people are

855
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Speaker 16: internal of withdrawer a plea of guilty, but normally it's

856
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Speaker 16: on a written application with arguable grounds. This seems to

857
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Speaker 16: be that the Crown has looked at the fact that

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Speaker 16: the jury did not convict anybody, that there's a backlog

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Speaker 16: built up in the courts the post COVID world of course,

860
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Speaker 16: that there's real pressure on the district courts to get

861
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Speaker 16: rid of things. And we've also had the solicited generous

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Speaker 16: guidelines go out and say, if you don't have a

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Speaker 16: realistic prospect of success, then you really need to consider

864
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Speaker 16: a position. They took all of that into account and said,

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Speaker 16: why are we wasting our time with these people, it seems,

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Speaker 16: and told them so the people that could then go

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Speaker 16: before the court and say, well, we want to vacate

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Speaker 16: our pleas because they hadn't been convicted. They're on their

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Speaker 16: way to arguing that they should have been discharged. So

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Speaker 16: instead of going down that path and wasting more time

871
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Speaker 16: and resources, it seemed to have been agreed, well, actually

872
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Speaker 16: we're just they hate the please of guilty, de facto

873
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Speaker 16: deal with the discharges by the crown, agreeing to offer

874
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Speaker 16: no evidence and withdraw everything, and they walk away scot free.

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Speaker 4: It's remarkable.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I can understand that if what we were

877
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Speaker 3: talking about is we're going to tie the courts up

878
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Speaker 3: for weeks on end or even days on end with

879
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Speaker 3: trials and all that kind of stuff. But we've already

880
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Speaker 3: got the success. They pleaded guilty. All we needed to

881
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Speaker 3: do was the sentencing. Is is that really something that

882
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Speaker 3: would have taken that much time?

883
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Speaker 16: Well, it would have been an afternoon.

884
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Speaker 21: The sentencing wasn't necessarily going to proceed because they were

885
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Speaker 21: asking for discharges which would have encompassed centencing, but it

886
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Speaker 21: requires a judge to consider whether the penalty would be

887
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Speaker 21: disproportionate to their actions.

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Speaker 16: And of course you get the feeling there's some sort

889
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Speaker 16: of moral undercurrent occurring, which I quite frankly I don't

890
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Speaker 16: really want to address.

891
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Speaker 3: Well, now I want you to address it. Wants the

892
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Speaker 3: moral undercurrent?

893
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Speaker 16: Well, you do get the feeling that either one people

894
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Speaker 16: were of the view that a certain proportion of the

895
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Speaker 16: community felt that these people shouldn't have been convicted at Allah,

896
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 16: or they were exercising their freedom of speech. There's no

897
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Speaker 16: doubt about that. It's a methodology that led to them

898
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Speaker 16: coming before.

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Speaker 3: Are you saying to me, Steve, that there may be

900
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Speaker 3: some people within the criminal justice system who think that

901
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Speaker 3: it's okay to do a little you know, on the side,

902
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: a little wilful damage, Jobby, just a little bit of

903
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Speaker 3: criminal nuisance, as long as it's in the name of

904
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Speaker 3: the climate, it's okay.

905
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Speaker 16: Well, I don't know if that's the message. I don't

906
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Speaker 16: know if that's what anyone in particular is thinking, but

907
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Speaker 16: you do get the feeling that people just thought it

908
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Speaker 16: was impractical to allow us to continue and wasting resources.

909
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Speaker 3: Okay, Steve, I appreciate your work very much. Steve Cullen,

910
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Speaker 3: criminal lawyer. Right, let's talk about the juries and then

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Speaker 3: let's talk about birth care. We have to five twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd

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Speaker 1: be hither.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if people protesting about cutting immigration or being

916
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: tougher on crime and shutting down roads, whether the justice

917
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 3: system would be as generous? Well, do you know what

918
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 3: I wonder if? I wonder if, for example, Destiny Church

919
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Speaker 3: doing the same thing would get such an easy cop

920
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: because they're not just a bunch of nice old ladies

921
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: caring about the climate. Are they suspect not? Five twenty four. Now,

922
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Speaker 3: let's talk about the juries and whether the juries should

923
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Speaker 3: hear sexual crime trials. There are some, as we've heard today,

924
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Speaker 3: who don't think that jury should because forcing a complainant

925
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Speaker 3: to testify in front of a jury in court is retraumatizing.

926
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Speaker 3: Now I accept that this is true, but unfortunately, the

927
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Speaker 3: tough truth is that victims are going to be retraumatized.

928
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Speaker 3: Way before they get to a jury, they will have

929
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Speaker 3: to tell the cops what happened, probably multiple times, and

930
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Speaker 3: that will be retraumatizing. They will have to tell their lawyer,

931
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Speaker 3: probably multiple times, and probably if a lawyer is doing

932
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Speaker 3: their job properly, under some pretty robust questioning, and that

933
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Speaker 3: will be retraumatizing. And a lot of that will happen

934
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Speaker 3: before they even get to the jury. Plus they're gonna

935
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Speaker 3: have to tell someone in court anyway. It's either a

936
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Speaker 3: jury or it's a judge, so it's going to happen

937
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: there as well. I think juries cop the blame unfairly

938
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Speaker 3: when offenders aren't declared guilty. I think the truth is

939
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Speaker 3: actually that sexual crimes are just really hard to prove.

940
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Speaker 3: There often is no evidence, there is no CCTV, there's

941
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Speaker 3: no stolen goods at someone's house. There are more often

942
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Speaker 3: than not, like the vast majority of times, no witnesses whatsoever.

943
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Speaker 3: It is a he said, she said, and that is

944
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Speaker 3: why so many offenders walk away, not because the juries

945
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: are hard on complainants. I followed cases where the problem

946
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 3: is actually the prosecuting lawyer. A really good lawyer gets

947
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Speaker 3: a conviction, makes a conviction more likely a rubbish lawyer

948
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Speaker 3: can throw a slam dunk case. That's not a jury's fault.

949
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Speaker 3: And actually it's slightly insulting to us to say that

950
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Speaker 3: juries can't handle certain cases, because juries are just groups

951
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Speaker 3: of us. You could be on a jury, I could

952
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Speaker 3: be on a jury saying that we cannot be trusted

953
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Speaker 3: to reach a conclusion. Or maybe we can be trusted

954
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Speaker 3: to reach a conclusion on something like murder or assault,

955
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Speaker 3: but we cannot be trusted to reach a conclusion on

956
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Speaker 3: something as complicated as a sex case. I think is

957
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Speaker 3: insulting us.

958
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Speaker 4: Ever, proceed out of that.

959
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about birthcare. Now, if you've had a baby

960
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 3: in Auckland City or in why Tarkety Hospital, you will

961
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Speaker 3: know that you'll know what birth care is. But if

962
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Speaker 3: you haven't, I'm going to explain to you what birth

963
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: care is. Birth care is like a return to the

964
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Speaker 3: old days. Remember when when back in the old days,

965
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Speaker 3: women would have a baby. Then they just that they'd

966
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Speaker 3: lie in the hospital, you know, being looked after by

967
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Speaker 3: other people for seven days or whatever three days as

968
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Speaker 3: an acknowledgement that they had just pushed a giant human

969
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Speaker 3: out and their body might be traumatized. And very very tired,

970
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Speaker 3: very very tired. So birthcare is a little bit like that.

971
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Speaker 3: It's like an old school maternity ward and it's offsite

972
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Speaker 3: from the hospital. You have to go there, you go

973
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Speaker 3: there for maybe like a day or two your choice,

974
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Speaker 3: and then and you pay for it. It's not altogether cheap,

975
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Speaker 3: I think by memory, the cheapest room is about three

976
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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty bucks a night. The most expensive room

977
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Speaker 3: I think is about seven hundred bucks a night. Now

978
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Speaker 3: that's subsidized because you're just paying. That's not at all

979
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Speaker 3: what the care will cost. Right, so yours, as the mum,

980
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Speaker 3: you're paying that, and then Health New Zealand pays a

981
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Speaker 3: proportion of that. I was surprised to read in the

982
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Speaker 3: Herald today that Health New Zealand leaders considered allowing Birthcare

983
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Speaker 3: to close down because Birthcare asked for some more funding

984
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Speaker 3: and they didn't like that. But then they said this.

985
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Speaker 3: This is Health New Zealand's Regional Director of Funding, doctor

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Speaker 3: Debbie Holdsworth. She said in an email last February that

987
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Speaker 3: she didn't think birthcare was necessary anymore, providing quote, providing

988
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: a couple of days. In effectively, a hotel doesn't have

989
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Speaker 3: a life course impact as they end up in whatever

990
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Speaker 3: the home environment is. From an equity perspective, with the

991
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Speaker 3: likelihood of other children at home, it is often not

992
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Speaker 3: feasible without someone able to look after other young children.

993
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 3: So basically a normal people's language, she is saying here,

994
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: it doesn't work because only some people can actually go

995
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: to birth care, because some people can get childcare at

996
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: home for toddler number one and other people can't. So

997
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Speaker 3: if it doesn't work for everyone, we shouldn't do it.

998
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: Number two, she says, learning mothercraft is more effective in

999
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Speaker 3: the reality of the home environment. Ladies, have you ever

1000
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Speaker 3: heard more bollocks than that come out of another woman's mouth?

1001
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Speaker 3: Learning mothercraft is more effective in the reality of the

1002
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Speaker 3: home environment. Oh my gosh, let me tell you. I

1003
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Speaker 3: sat in birthcare with baby, her baby money it was

1004
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: born the other day. I sat in birth care for

1005
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: two full nights trying to get that little baby to

1006
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,479
Speaker 3: cluster feed, and she kept me awake for two full nights.

1007
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: The ladies, the midwives wonderful. I was like, is this normal?

1008
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: Yes?

1009
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: What shall I do? Blah blah blah. Do you think

1010
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: who else would have given me at home? Who would

1011
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: have give me advice? The husband been like, oh yeah,

1012
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 3: that's my experience breastfeeding as well. Oh my gosh, Debbie,

1013
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: get a reality check, keep it open, please, headlights.

1014
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1015
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Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1016
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected.

1017
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Speaker 4: News talks. That'd be he apparently that's gold.

1018
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: White Santana goldmine and Bendigo is just going to make

1019
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: an absolute mint. We'll have a chat to them after

1020
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Speaker 3: six o'clock. We've got Phil and Phil on the huddle

1021
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: today as in Phil o'reiley and introducing a man you

1022
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: have heard of before in many capacities Auckland mayor minister

1023
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Speaker 3: troublemaker with Donald Trump. Never heard of him on the huddle,

1024
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Speaker 3: but now you are. Phil Goff is going to be

1025
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Speaker 3: with us. And also what about this one. I love

1026
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Speaker 3: this text, Heather tell Debbie to jog on. I've had

1027
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Speaker 3: three kids. Two of them were easy daytime berths l

1028
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Speaker 3: was a frigging three day event. My husband tried to

1029
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Speaker 3: pay client hospital for a couple of days rest, but nah,

1030
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Speaker 3: I was sent home to a frost forty minutes from

1031
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Speaker 3: town and three kids under three. I was exhausted birth

1032
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Speaker 3: care is the absolute best thing I've ever heard of.

1033
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: I'll be shouting my daughter that Hell yes, Rebecca, that

1034
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Speaker 3: is the kind of mum everybody needs. Twenty three away

1035
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Speaker 3: from six now, Apparently there's a growing trend of parents

1036
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Speaker 3: who won't send their kids on sleepovers anymore. And this

1037
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Speaker 3: is basically because they're worried about potential harms. It could

1038
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Speaker 3: happen in someone else's home, and some parents won't even

1039
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Speaker 3: send their kids to stay with close family members. Joe

1040
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Speaker 3: Robertson is a sex and relationships therapist and with us now,

1041
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Speaker 3: Hi Joe, Hi, you hearing this anecdotally?

1042
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 22: Oh yeah, and experiencing it myself. I've got three kids

1043
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 22: in that season, so definitely understand the challenges around where

1044
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 22: to send your kids, where to keep you know, who

1045
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 22: to keep them home from, etc. It's really hard for

1046
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 22: parents to figure that out.

1047
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 3: Do you send your kids on sleepovers?

1048
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 22: Yes, they have a couple of designated families that they

1049
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 22: can have sleepovers with, and as they've gotten older, the

1050
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 22: so the amount of people that they can spend that

1051
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 22: amount of time worth grows.

1052
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Speaker 3: So there's a kind of a I guess a staggered

1053
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 3: approach Okay, do you think that people's I mean, because

1054
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Speaker 3: I grew up in the eighties and nineties and it

1055
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Speaker 3: was a free for all. We were always staying at

1056
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Speaker 3: people's houses and stuff. Were we a little bit loose

1057
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: back then? Yes, we were a little bit loose.

1058
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Speaker 22: Yeah, So we definitely need to be really intentional about

1059
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 22: where our kids spend time. And what I don't mean

1060
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Speaker 22: is them you know, biking down to the dairy, going

1061
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Speaker 22: to the park and hanging out with friends. All of

1062
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Speaker 22: that stuff's really healthy and goosh, you know, playing sports

1063
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Speaker 22: and getting there by themselves. That's all fantastic, But where

1064
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Speaker 22: they're actually spending the night in places, you know, if

1065
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 22: you think about just the secrecy, the privacy, the kind

1066
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 22: of the cover of darkness, those spaces, we do need

1067
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Speaker 22: to be more careful about.

1068
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

1069
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, because what a lot of parents are

1070
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Speaker 3: worried about is you know, let's just call it for

1071
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Speaker 3: what it is, like sexual stuff happening, right, and often

1072
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Speaker 3: I imagine the concern should be perhaps less the adults,

1073
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Speaker 3: but the other kids. Yeah, I totally agree.

1074
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Speaker 22: I definitely there's a trend now with kids at sleep over,

1075
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Speaker 22: kids at camps, sorry, where there's no adults in the room.

1076
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Speaker 22: So it's only children in the rooms at school camps often,

1077
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Speaker 22: and that's got its.

1078
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Speaker 3: Own challenges with it.

1079
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Speaker 22: Okay, it's more than sexual harm, you know, it's like

1080
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Speaker 22: the stuff that they would see in a movie if

1081
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Speaker 22: they had a bad dream. Like, there's definitely other things.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So how do parents suss out whether the host

1083
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 3: family is an appropriate family or not?

1084
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 22: You want to spend a decent amount of time with

1085
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 22: that family, you know. I think about it as if

1086
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 22: your child had diarrhea. This is uncomfortable to imagine, I.

1087
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: Know, but if they had it's not happens all the time.

1088
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 22: Carry on, Yes, if you child a diarrhea and you

1089
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 22: needed somebody to wash their body, would you feel comfortable

1090
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 22: with the person that they're going to doing that for them?

1091
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: So that's you know, that's like a really practical kind

1092
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: of measure. Do I trust those? But what about just

1093
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 3: like low level stuff like screen time?

1094
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: Right?

1095
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: Some parents are really liberal, some parents are at more conservative.

1096
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: Can you can you judge it based on that? I mean,

1097
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 3: I think that's a conversation you have to have.

1098
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 22: I don't know if that's the judge of whether you

1099
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 22: trust their family or not.

1100
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 3: But it's it's getting when they're in the bedroom with

1101
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: the iPad looking at only fans, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, or

1102
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 3: making only fans. You know, we don't want that either.

1103
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: No.

1104
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 22: So, yeah, there's a conversation I have even with playdates.

1105
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 22: It's not just sleepovers, but hey, what are the rules

1106
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 22: around screens in your home?

1107
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: And how do we manage it?

1108
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 12: Now?

1109
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 3: Okay, so Joe give me some advice. So I'm thinking

1110
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: about my My one is three and a half, and

1111
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about him sending him to my mother full

1112
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 3: Saturday night because his cousins are there. But I'm worried

1113
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: about my mother because she can be a bit loose

1114
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 3: and I want I don't know that I trust her

1115
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: with the front door on a busy road. Am I

1116
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: being a psycho? Probably that is psycho, isn't it. You

1117
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 3: can say it. I don't think it's psycho.

1118
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 22: I think it just sounds like you need a really

1119
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 22: honest conversation about your concerns.

1120
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 3: Okay, cool, I will thank you, I'll say, Joe said Joe. Thanks,

1121
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 3: Joe definitely appreciated Joe robertson sex and relationship therapist. Now

1122
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: my mum knows because she'll be listening. So I've done

1123
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: half the work already. Nineteen away from six the Huddle.

1124
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,479
Speaker 4: With New Zealand Southurby's International Realty Find.

1125
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: You're one of the guy on the huddle with me

1126
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: this evening. We have got fellow Riley Iron Duke Partners

1127
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: and Phil Goff Pheiel welcome here today.

1128
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 10: Good to have two films from Mount Roskell on the

1129
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 10: progresmactly right.

1130
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 20: One work more here than the other film.

1131
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 10: I'm working on it film.

1132
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: Okay, right, we're going by full names lads, because as

1133
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 3: you can imagine, this is going to be problematic. Actually

1134
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: feel GoF it's really lovely to talk to you because

1135
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: I was just reading about you last night in j Just

1136
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: Cinder's book. Have you read it? Yeah?

1137
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 10: I did read it actually, yes, Yeah. It's quite of

1138
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 10: an interesting casual side you know style that she follows,

1139
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 10: just you know, talking about her upbringing in her life

1140
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 10: and I know appearents well, you know, the lovely people.

1141
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 10: I found it quite interesting. Not things that I didn't

1142
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 10: understand about that, but yeah, it was hard being in

1143
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 10: politics without being a mother. Being a mother, you know,

1144
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 10: you've got a full time career and you're managing your kids.

1145
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 10: As well, and with a little bit of help from Barry.

1146
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 10: So yeah, that was a challenge for her. But I always

1147
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 10: found her an authentic and empathetic person. I liked her life.

1148
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: Is your recollection of events the same as hers. That

1149
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: you were the one who told her never to say

1150
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: yes if they ask her to run for parliament, and

1151
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: then you were the one who called her and asked

1152
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: her to run for parliament.

1153
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think she's probably right. You know, no same

1154
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 10: person runs for public office if it wants to look

1155
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 10: after their family and their lifestyle. But in another sense,

1156
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 10: it's the highest calling, you know. So yeah, I did

1157
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 10: tell her, probably at a moment when I was, you know,

1158
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 10: at the end of a twelve hour day or whatever,

1159
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 10: it don't be so stupid as to do a job

1160
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 10: like this. But you know, she was a person that

1161
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 10: I thought was suit of No.

1162
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't want any praise. I don't want

1163
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 3: any praise. You know how I feel about her. We're gonna,

1164
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: we're gonna, we're.

1165
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 10: Gonna, we're providing some balance tonight.

1166
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 3: We're going to stop you right there, pillow Riley. Have

1167
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: you read the book yet?

1168
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 12: No?

1169
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 20: I haven't. But what I have done is I've had

1170
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 20: a lot of fun reading all the reviews because you

1171
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 20: go around globally and read the reviews and you can

1172
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 20: reliably work out which newspaper or which website. If you're

1173
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 20: listening to yours, the Daily Telegraph, they hate it. If

1174
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 20: it's The GUARDI and they love it. Yeah, if it's Oprah,

1175
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 20: she loves it. You know. So I just had such

1176
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 20: fun because the book has got all much nothing to

1177
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 20: do with the reviews. It's whether you like Jesindra or

1178
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 20: not review it brilliantly, or I'm going.

1179
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 3: To break Philo Riley. I'm going to break this mold

1180
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: because you know how I feel about Josinda right like

1181
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: you know, I've got I've got bad vibes on it.

1182
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 3: But I'm really enjoying the book. So I'm going to

1183
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: probably be the first person in the world who doesn't

1184
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: like her but will like her books. So we'll get

1185
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 3: round to that at some stage. Fair enough to fellow, Riley,

1186
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: can I you're not you're not a parent, but you've

1187
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 3: done sleepovers?

1188
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 20: Sure, yes, I've I've been thinking about this this afternoon

1189
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 20: since you want to talk about it, and I was

1190
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 20: trying to recall my own childhood back in the swinging sixties,

1191
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 20: when god knows, we didn't think much about these things

1192
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 20: at all. But the test that you were given earlier,

1193
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 20: I think is sensible. I recall that, really, when I

1194
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 20: look back at it, I was only at the houses

1195
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 20: of people who were close friends of my family or

1196
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 20: were already family members actually, and I recall them all

1197
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 20: being quite small too. It wasn't as though there was

1198
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 20: twenty of sleeping over till I was quite a lot

1199
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 20: later in life. So so I think actually that the

1200
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 20: good sense kind of test here is the right one,

1201
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 20: I think, but without being a helicopter parent about it.

1202
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 20: I think getting into screen time and stuff's probably only

1203
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 20: but trl for me personally, but just knowing that these

1204
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 20: people are good people. The other test that I was

1205
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 20: thinking about this afternoon was the test I'm making sure

1206
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 20: there's no other strangers in the house, so you know,

1207
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 20: Dave and Sally they're good people. But Uncle Ted's in

1208
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 20: the house tonight and you didn't know that. So I

1209
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 20: think some of that stuff about are these strangers that

1210
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 20: you don't know are going to be there? But you know,

1211
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 20: it's a good sense test, and I think my parents

1212
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 20: probably followed those tests even way back in the sixties.

1213
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, Phil, you would have had kids in the

1214
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: eighties and ninety day, what did you do?

1215
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, no, usually, you know, we're just if we

1216
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 10: knew the family, that was fine. If we didn't know

1217
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 10: the family and we weren't confident about their being proper supervision,

1218
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 10: then we would have said no. I mean, I think

1219
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 10: you have to use your common sense on this and

1220
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 10: you have to try and find a balance. You can

1221
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 10: be over to protective, over protective, and this is develop

1222
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 10: a sense of independence.

1223
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't deny them the sleep of as a

1224
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: because that's normal kid stuff.

1225
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, but you do what you know. I think,

1226
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 10: as Phil said, most actual abusive sexual abusive kids don't happen,

1227
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 10: you know, in a playground, out in the public arena.

1228
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 10: They happen in somebody's residence. So you've just got to

1229
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 10: be a little bit careful. I think the other thing

1230
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 10: is just to make sure you tell your kids that

1231
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 10: it's not all right for anybody to abuse them in

1232
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 10: any way, including sexually, and what to do if that

1233
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 10: were to be the case.

1234
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: It's like you teach a kid. You teach a kid

1235
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: how to look after themselves in a playground. You teach

1236
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: them how to cast themselves of this stuff as a well. Right,

1237
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 3: we'll take a break. Come back shortly called to.

1238
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1239
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

1240
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: Right twelve away from sixty Back of the huddle, Phillo

1241
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: Riley and Phil Golf Philloiley. Do you think that Aukland

1242
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 3: Council should ban helicopters private use of helicopters in suburban

1243
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: areas to avoid a Mobra case?

1244
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 20: Again, don't be so ridiculous. I mean, this is a

1245
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 20: test of reasonableness. This, I mean teleicopters are public a

1246
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 20: transport opportunity for some people. They shouldn't been submarines either.

1247
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 20: Here it's just it's a ridiculous sort of thought. The

1248
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 20: Mobras and the Mobras have been through a proper process.

1249
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 20: They've applied, they've ticked all the boxes and ends of

1250
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 20: the environmental issues and so on. Just move on that.

1251
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 20: A lot of the publicity of this is just the

1252
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 20: chattering classes because Anna Mobra is one of the one

1253
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 20: of the few superstars of the media and so on

1254
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 20: in New Zealand, and one one of the few people

1255
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 20: like that, and so we've just got this little chattering

1256
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 20: class thing going on, which I really find depressing new zealing.

1257
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 20: Let's just move on. It's fine, the world's not come

1258
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 20: to an end. Move on and let them have it.

1259
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: Really not even that noisy. I bet Phil goth that

1260
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: your bike is even noisier than a chopper.

1261
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 10: Oh no, no, I've got a modern British motorbike that

1262
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 10: doesn't make the loud noise that you know, the Harley

1263
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 10: Davidson does, So you can't bring that one on me. Look,

1264
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 10: I've met both Anna Mobray and Nellie William separately, perfectly

1265
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 10: nice people. I think that's not the issue whether nice

1266
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 10: people with a wealthy or not wealthy. The issue is

1267
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 10: what people regard as quite enjoyment of life. And you've

1268
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 10: got to balance out the interests of whether it might

1269
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 10: be convenient to have a helicopter pad in your back section,

1270
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 10: but i fact were to interrupt seriously the quiet enjoyment

1271
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 10: of life of others, then you have to take that

1272
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 10: into account. So yeah, and the Council did feel that's

1273
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 10: the point that the panel, the panel, the Independent Commissioners

1274
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 10: decided that you're right. The process was followed appropriately, and

1275
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 10: according to the by laws, it was legitimate. But there

1276
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 10: is a wider question I know over y Heki, because

1277
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 10: every third house in some of the areas there have

1278
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 10: got their own helicopter. That people are really pissed off

1279
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 10: with the interruption of their life and the noise they

1280
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 10: are trying to enjoy the beauty and the tranquility of

1281
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 10: the place, and that you know, it's not just one house,

1282
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 10: it's a whole lot of houses, and helicopters I've traveled

1283
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 10: in them often do make a hell of a lot

1284
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 10: of noise. So you know, if I was living next door, yeah,

1285
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 10: probably I'd have a problem with it.

1286
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: I sort of I wonder phil GoF if we shouldn't

1287
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: be a little bit more welcoming of people who this

1288
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 3: is a legitimate form of transport for somebody who's uber wealthy, right,

1289
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 3: and we should actually be grateful that people like that

1290
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 3: choose to live in this country, rather than kind of

1291
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: making it harder for them by taking away the things

1292
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: they want to do.

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Speaker 10: What do you think, Well, I don't think the fact

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Speaker 10: that they're wealthy or not wealthy makes any difference at all. Obviously,

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Speaker 10: if you have your own helicopter, you are reasonably well off.

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Speaker 10: I think it is that. You know, when I wrote

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Speaker 10: the trade tendency legislation back in the nineteen eighties, one

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Speaker 10: of the things we put in was quite enjoyment of life,

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Speaker 10: a requirement of people were renting to respect the quite

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Speaker 10: enjoyment of life of their neighbors. And that was about

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Speaker 10: having loud parties and things like that. But but you know,

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Speaker 10: I do know. I have helicopters come over my place

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Speaker 10: quite regularly. Actually, when I was away, I had the

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Speaker 10: police helicopter over it for about nine hours dealing with

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Speaker 10: a gang that had occupied my house's right.

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Speaker 3: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 10: It wasn't it wasn't wasn't pleasant trying to deal with

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Speaker 10: that from from London. But look, you know, the point

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Speaker 10: is about if it's not a big deal to hop

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Speaker 10: in your car and drive, you know, two kilometers down

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Speaker 10: the road to go to the helipad, and if it

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Speaker 10: is causing genuine disruption of the quiet ensuyment of life

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Speaker 10: of your neighbors, you have to take that into account.

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Speaker 3: You know what, fellow rually, you and I are going

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Speaker 3: to get a ride in the Mowbras chopper and not phil.

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Speaker 10: Exactly the point the point, and I agree with everything

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Speaker 10: feel just said. The problem here is though that I

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Speaker 10: think without without I'm not going to mission names here.

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Speaker 10: I think some of the opposition to the for the

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Speaker 10: Alley Williams and Animal Brek helicopter is because they just.

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Speaker 20: Don't like Ellie when you mobray. They don't like the

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Speaker 20: other people have got the wealth to do that. That's

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Speaker 20: the chattering classes point, and that's what I completely reject.

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Speaker 3: I do suspect that there's an element of that to it. Guys,

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Speaker 3: it's lovely to talk to the pair of you. Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Pila Raleig, Phil Goffer, Huddle Led Away from.

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Speaker 1: Six It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I don't know if you are aware of this,

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Speaker 3: but Lululemon has filed a lawsuit against Costco. By the way,

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Speaker 3: it's five away from six. Lululemon has filed a lawsuit

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Speaker 3: against Costco over copies. Now we've discussed this on the

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Speaker 3: show before because remember Costco is selling that butter. It's

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Speaker 3: a Kirkland butter, isn't it. It's a Kirkland butter and

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Speaker 3: they're selling it for half the price of you know,

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Speaker 3: the butter that you can buy on the shop shelves,

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Speaker 3: and they get the butter made at the same place

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Speaker 3: that makes the West Gold butter. And you don't have

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Speaker 3: to be a rocket scientist to figure out that you're

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Speaker 3: basically just buying a West Gold butter for around about

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Speaker 3: half the price. So anyway, what Lululemon is upset about

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Speaker 3: is that Costco also under this Kirkland label, which is

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Speaker 3: their private label, they're also doing things like clothes, and

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Speaker 3: it's well known that they use the same manufacturers of

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Speaker 3: the OG product. Right, so you can look at a Lululemon, Well,

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Speaker 3: let me give you an example. You could look at

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Speaker 3: the Lululemon high Tech Men's Scuba Full Zip. Now I

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Speaker 3: don't know about you, but the high Tech Men's Scuba

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Speaker 3: ful Zip sounds awesome. So now I want to high

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Speaker 3: Tech Men's Scuba fool Zip. But if I don't want

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Speaker 3: to pay more than a hundred bucks or whatever at Lululemon,

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Speaker 3: I can go and look at cost Costco and well,

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 3: look at that looks very similar. And it's well known

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Speaker 3: that Costco uses the same manufacturers of the original High

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Speaker 3: Tech Men's Scuba fool zip, so you might be happy

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Speaker 3: to pay the nineteen dollars ninety seven American for the

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Speaker 3: thing that you could either you know, you go to

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Speaker 3: Lululum and pay a hundred bucks for anyway Lulu. It

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Speaker 3: seems to me that Lululemon's argument is that because we

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Speaker 3: know that this stuff is happening when we turn up

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Speaker 3: at Costco, we go on that's just basically a Lulu

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 3: Lemon or a Kirkland Brandon, so we buy it, right.

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Speaker 3: But they're saying, well, you don't know because some of

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Speaker 3: them are legit and some of them are not the same.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, the upshot of the story, the reason I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you all of this is because don't you just

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Speaker 3: want to go to Costco now and go and see

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Speaker 3: how cheap the Lululemon stuff as they're branded as Kirkland.

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Speaker 3: I know, how about the Barbara Streisand effect taking hold

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Speaker 3: right there? That's the barbar Streisand effect. When you talk

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Speaker 3: about it makes the situation worse than if you just

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Speaker 3: shut up and pretend it's not happening. Heather, I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure exactly why I feel uncomfortable with you giving Phil

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Speaker 3: Goff a platform on your panel, he blotted his copy

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Speaker 3: book as the New Zealand ambassador in the UK was

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Speaker 3: rightly sacked. I agree he should have known better and

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Speaker 3: he didn't. Why now does his commentary and viewpoint on

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Speaker 3: anything political hold anyway, Debbie, you know my position on this.

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Speaker 3: You know my position on this. Just because they're a

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Speaker 3: former politician does not mean you shut them up and

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Speaker 3: send them home and give them some slippers and say,

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Speaker 3: be a good boy now. We never want to hear

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Speaker 3: from you again. Phil Goff has done the thousand things

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Speaker 3: in his life, all of which means that he has

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Speaker 3: a lot of knowledge that he's accumulated. And I reckon

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Speaker 3: people like that are worth listen to Bill Goff, David Carter,

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Speaker 3: Don Brash, Halen Clark roll them out because they've got

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Speaker 3: heaps of life experience. I don't think. I think we're

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Speaker 3: worse off if we shut people like that up up

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Speaker 3: and better off for hearing their experiences. But we've got

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Speaker 3: to stop them with the Jisinda stuff like that's out

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Speaker 3: of hand. No one wants to hear that anyway. Let's

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Speaker 3: talk to Santana next about how much money they're going

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Speaker 3: to make off the gold Newsboks.

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Speaker 1: They be.

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Speaker 4: Where business meets insight.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplessy Allen and Mars Insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments, Grow.

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Speaker 4: Your Wealth, Protect Your Future News talks b.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. We're halfway

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Speaker 3: through the year, so we're going to check him with

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Speaker 3: the global markets or on the global markets with Milford

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Speaker 3: Asset Management. ACC is clearly getting tougher on claims terrain

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Speaker 3: and it's spending genative Cheriny on that and Gavin Gray

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Speaker 3: on that rebellion in Keir Starmer's ranks and how bad

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Speaker 3: that's going to get. Coming up eight past six now,

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Speaker 3: Australian Miners reckon they could make up to three point

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Speaker 3: eight billion dollars of pre tax profit from a planned

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Speaker 3: gold mine in Otago. The company reckons they could get

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Speaker 3: one point two five million ounces of gold from the

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Speaker 3: mine near Cromwell, and with the price of gold currently

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Speaker 3: at record highs, the profits are set to be huge.

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Speaker 3: Damien Spring is Santana Mineral's chief executive High Damien good Heeather,

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Speaker 3: how are you very well? Thank you? Do you reckon

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Speaker 3: the price of gold's going to hold?

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Speaker 2: Oh look, it's thanks to be holding at the moment.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's come off it's ultimate high of around

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Speaker 2: five thousand, eight hundred. But even at this price, it's

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Speaker 2: still in terms of the history of gold price, you know,

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Speaker 2: very high.

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Speaker 3: I saw somewhere that even if the price of gold halved,

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Speaker 3: you guys would still make a decent profit. Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is a goal project that those international

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Speaker 2: investors that are interested in investing directly in gold projects

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Speaker 2: have set up and taking notice. And it is a

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Speaker 2: high grade, high value gold mine net we're posing and

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Speaker 2: it's going to produce dividends both for those investors but

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Speaker 2: also New Zealand in terms of royalties and jobs and

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Speaker 2: services and such on.

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Speaker 3: How long before you start pulling it out?

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Speaker 2: Well, we've got to get our application into the fast

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Speaker 2: track process where and that is a minute And given

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Speaker 2: the powers of that piece of legislation in terms of

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Speaker 2: a fast tracked decision making process, it could be as

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Speaker 2: early as next year.

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Speaker 3: Oh you could actually be digging as early as next year,

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Speaker 3: could you.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's what our timeframe is, pending the fast

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Speaker 2: trek approved.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how much damage are you going to do

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Speaker 3: though to the land in order to get this gold out?

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Speaker 3: Like how much digging are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: Are we talking about an open pit mine centered on

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Speaker 2: with a posit called Rise and Shine or RAS. It's

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Speaker 2: about nine hundred meters across up to two hundred metered sleep.

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Speaker 2: It's an open that mine. So yep, it's like any

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Speaker 2: other extractive in New Zealand and plenty of them. We

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Speaker 2: certainly dig up the ground, but we have a full

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Speaker 2: process of understanding what those depicts are, how we're going

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Speaker 2: to mitigate it, and of course before we start, we've

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Speaker 2: got a very sound closure plan. So we put it

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Speaker 2: back to a landform that is a commensurate with the

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Speaker 2: surrounding landscape.

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Speaker 3: Right, so when you're done with it, you basically make

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Speaker 3: it look nice again. How long before you're done with it?

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Speaker 2: Well, our current mind plan that we just released this though,

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Speaker 2: it's us mining for fourteen years, okay, but of course

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Speaker 2: expiration continues, so we'll see what that produces and maybe

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Speaker 2: hopefully we find them more so never know.

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Speaker 3: So Damien, the locals who are objecting because of the

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Speaker 3: fact that they think it's going to look ugly have

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Speaker 3: maybe got a bit of a point, haven't they.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I think we've been engaging with affective parties

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Speaker 2: and neighbors and community groups right across the region of

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Speaker 2: Central Otago. They believe what they believe. We've engaged experts

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Speaker 2: in all the various areas, including landscape and visual and

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Speaker 2: we rely on those experts to work within the framework

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Speaker 2: that we have here in New Zealand, and we believe

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Speaker 2: we've got a solution for those concerns.

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Speaker 16: Brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Hey, well, you know you got to break eggs to

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Speaker 3: make an omelet, so best of luck to you. That's

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Speaker 3: Damien Spring, chief executive at Santana Minerals. Eleven past six.

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Speaker 3: Bad news. We've lost a satellite. This is our methane satellite.

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Speaker 3: We've discussed the methane satellite on the show. People were

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Speaker 3: pretty excited about it because we chucked in twenty nine

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Speaker 3: million taxpayer dollars into it, and were excited because it

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Speaker 3: was supposed to start doing cool things like measurement, measuring

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Speaker 3: methane from up in space and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But now it's gone because it's quite simply what happened

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Speaker 3: is it veered off course and then got lost in space,

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Speaker 3: and it is lost in space. Apparently it's been having

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Speaker 3: problems since at least about September. It's been a multitude

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Speaker 3: of problems. By the sounds of things, it's been going

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Speaker 3: into safe mode every time the sun has a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a peak in the magnetic cycle, you know,

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Speaker 3: you know how that is, it goes into safe mode

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Speaker 3: and then they have to carefully restart it. That's been

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Speaker 3: happening affair. But then there was a problem with one

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Speaker 3: of the three thrusters, but they said, don't worry about

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Speaker 3: it could still operate on two thrusters, so that's not

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Speaker 3: a big deal. Then it had to go back to

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01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 3: its manufacturers in Colorado in March, and this was after

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Speaker 3: heaps of delays. Already had to delay it's launch date,

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Speaker 3: had to delay the arrival of the promise statah blah

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Speaker 3: blah blah. Now it's lost in space. And it's particularly

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Speaker 3: a bummer for Auckland University because they were part of

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Speaker 3: like a group of people who were interested in this,

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Speaker 3: and they were supposed to take over mission control two

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Speaker 3: days before it was announced that it was lost in space,

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Speaker 3: and they not even didn't even get a chance. There

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Speaker 3: you go, hopefully we get another one. Twelve plus six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive full show podcas

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01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by newstalg Zebbi.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I've got some news that you need. If you've

1507
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 3: been betting overseas, you might want to hear this. So

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 3: we'll talk about this. And just to take it's quarter

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01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 3: past six and Jeremy Hutton Milford ASCID Management is with me. Hey, Jeremy,

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01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 3: Good evening, Heather. So halfway through the year already flies by,

1511
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: so it's probably a good time to check in on

1512
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: the global share markets. How are our investments going so far?

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 23: Yeah, in twenty twenty five, at at a headline level,

1514
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 23: you'd look at some of the key global markets yet

1515
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 23: to date, you've got the SMP five hundred that's up

1516
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 23: five percent, the Tech Focus Nasdaq that's up seven the

1517
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 23: Aussie two hundred that's up five And you take some

1518
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 23: of that performance and you say those are half decent

1519
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 23: returns and in a normal year after six months you'd

1520
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 23: be pretty happy. But of course, if you look more

1521
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 23: into the detail, there has been a lot of news

1522
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 23: and a lot of noise out there, and this was

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01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 23: led effectively by the fifteen the nineteen percent fall in

1524
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 23: the SMP five hundred post Trump's liberation. But despite this

1525
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 23: and despite the ongoing trade tensions high tariffs, Middle Eastern conflict,

1526
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 23: there's been a subsequent incredible twenty four percent rebound back

1527
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 23: in the SMP five hundred back to record market highs.

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 23: So a few comments i'd make you know, investors have

1529
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 23: become very accustomed to buying the dip in this post

1530
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 23: COVID world, and that strategy seems to have worked again here.

1531
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 23: And then finally, you know, staying calm, sticking to your strategy,

1532
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 23: not panicking and selling at the wrong time, has also

1533
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 23: proven to be a good strategy here again.

1534
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: But so what's going on with the local market, because

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:35,520
Speaker 3: it's been lagging.

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 23: Yeah, correct, the injet X fifty that's down to zero

1537
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 23: point two percent year to date, so it is lagging

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01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 23: the key pairs who are up around five As mentioned earlier,

1539
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 23: the interet X that did full two post liberation day

1540
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 23: down nine percent through April and May. And our market

1541
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 23: does tend not to have the same size moves or

1542
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 23: volatility as global markets, just given the makeup of some

1543
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 23: of the companies in our index. The inzd X has

1544
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 23: bounced back a little bit, but it hasn't quite recovered

1545
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 23: all the losses from that fall, unlike global markets which

1546
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 23: have fully recovered.

1547
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: So tell me what's been leading the z X so far.

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 23: Interestingly, there is there is a common theme so far

1549
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 23: this Yeah, some of the food and agri names have

1550
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 23: been really strong and leading the charts this year. So

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01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 23: A two milk that's the current leader on the z

1552
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 23: X infant formula into China that's up thirty seven percent

1553
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 23: after a very strong result in February. They'll have some

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01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 23: updated numbers in August two which will be widely followed.

1555
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 23: Fishing business Sanford that's up thirty six percent yet to date.

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 23: The new CEO there, David Mayer, he's working wonders already.

1557
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 23: Fonterra as we know, strong dairy that's up twenty eight percent.

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01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 23: Scales that's apple and pet food business doing really well,

1559
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 23: up twenty percent. And then finally Turner's Automotive that's up

1560
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 23: twenty eight percent in twenty twenty five so far. That

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01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 23: so that's continuing. It's really strong past few year.

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01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 3: And what's not been doing so well?

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01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 23: Yeah, despite some of those winners above, it does depend

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 23: on their relative size in the index to see how

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01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 23: it impacts the market as a whole. And unfortunately we've

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 23: had some larger companies like Rhyme and Healthcare with its

1567
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 23: big capital rays that's down forty eight percent, sky City

1568
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 23: down thirty eight percent, Spark down sixteen and Auckland Airport

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01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 23: down ten percent as well. And given there's some of

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 23: our largest companies in the index index, it does drag

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 23: the whole market down, but it does show that there

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 23: are always pockets of strength out there and always pockets

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01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 23: of weakness in every market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant stuff, Jeremy, thanks for running us through it.

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01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: To appreciate it. Jeremy Hutton, Milford Asset Management, Heather, have

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01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 3: they deactivated the autopilots on the satellite? Honestly, it probably

1577
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 3: is exactly that, isn't it, because it's always the autopilot

1578
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: when it comes to anything in New Zealand. Autopilot on

1579
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: a naval ship, autopilot on a plane, auto pilot on

1580
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 3: the utterre. Actually, thank you for raising that because this

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01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 3: takes us very nicely to ferries. Yesterday, when Winston was

1582
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 3: on the show, I was talking. I was asking him

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01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 3: about the partial privatization, which clearly the act party's into,

1584
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: but he's not into. And I asked him, why don't

1585
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 3: you do it, and he's like, why would I do it?

1586
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 3: Why would you? Why would I mean, I'm kind of

1587
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: you know, I'm giving some life to what he said.

1588
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: But basically his point was why would you partially privatize

1589
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,799
Speaker 3: the ferry operation? The office answer is because it's shite,

1590
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 3: like you can't make it any worse. But actually, what

1591
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 3: about this? Okay? So Bluebridge announced in March that it

1592
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: was buying a new faery. This is the Livier. The

1593
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 3: livier is arriving in Wellington tomorrow. What's that? But they

1594
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,719
Speaker 3: announced him Mark buying it, got it, made a decision,

1595
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,719
Speaker 3: Here we go, off we go, and then it arrives

1596
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 3: what four months later? Look at that as a contrast

1597
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 3: with how we've been fatting around with this nonsense with

1598
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: the fairies, with the public company. When did Grant announce?

1599
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 3: When did they announce that they were buying the fairies?

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 3: When I say granted is obviously our old mate Grant

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 3: robertson first name basis it was donkeys years ago, right,

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: and then so it is already years into the process

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 3: and faffing around and dawdling, and then in December twenty

1604
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 3: twenty three Nicola cans it and then that's twenty months ago, right,

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: So twenty months later we still don't even know. We're

1606
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: still in negotiations, and they say we're only going to

1607
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 3: get it in twenty twenty nine, probably a decade since

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01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 3: we started the process. And that's still another forty months.

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 3: But never mind four months. That's forty months before we

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01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: get these Can you see my point? Maybe part of

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01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 3: the reason you want to partially privatize the thing is

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01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: because nothing puts a fire up the butt of people

1613
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 3: or under the butt of people like shareholders who are going, ah,

1614
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 3: not good enough, because frankly, the Bluebridge is running circles,

1615
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 3: running rings around the public company and just making the

1616
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 3: whole thing look embarrassing, isn't it anyway? Lucy let me

1617
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 3: the nurse in the UK. I always have my doubts

1618
01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 3: about do you have to eat your doubts about this case.

1619
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,560
Speaker 3: I have my doubts about this case. I just I

1620
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 3: can't quite articulate it. And it isn't an easy like,

1621
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 3: it's not an easy sell to tell you why. I'm

1622
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 3: not convinced that she's guilty. But I'm not quite convinced

1623
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 3: that she's guilty anyway. The update on matter is that

1624
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 3: overnight a bunch of her bosses were arrested on manslaughter chargers.

1625
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 3: We're going to talk to Gavin Gray when he's with

1626
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 3: us in a round about twenty minutes time right now,

1627
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 3: six twenty one.

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 4: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: It's Heather due for Sea Ellen with the Business Hour

1630
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

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01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: These talks that'd be Heather here. We raise small Black

1632
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 3: and Blue that there was no secondhand fairies anywhere in

1633
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 3: the world, and Blue Bridge just proved that. They told Fibbs, Steve,

1634
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 3: thank you, right, we need to talk about the sports thing.

1635
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: I don't have time to talk about the sports thing now.

1636
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you about the sports thing shortly.

1637
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 3: They just want to give you a really really quick

1638
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 3: heads up if you're upset about the jaffers and listen.

1639
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: There's a really excellent article by Jenny Mortimer in The

1640
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 3: Herald today which is basically, if you're upset about the jaffers,

1641
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 3: shut up because you probably didn't buy any which I

1642
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 3: think is fair right because how much do you know what?

1643
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 3: Somebody went out and bought jaffers for the office Today

1644
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 3: and by Munch down on it. I was like, oh,

1645
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 3: it's not bad actually, but in a why I didn't

1646
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 3: buy more of those actually, but anyway, we bought them

1647
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 3: on the beat. You there's a spike in the purchase

1648
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 3: of jaffers now and that anyway, there are alternatives out there,

1649
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 3: so you can still indulge yourself with your weird chocolate

1650
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: orange combination, which is kind of a bit weird if

1651
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 3: you think about it. The Warehouse, what they called is ojs,

1652
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 3: so they're not called jeff as they called OJ's. The

1653
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 3: Warehouse sells one hundred and fifty grand bag for four dollars,

1654
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 3: Candy Shack, which sells stuff online, sells one hundred grand

1655
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 3: bag for five dollars, and Woolworth's sells another thing altogether,

1656
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 3: which is called Darryl Lee's Bebe Orange Crunch stink name,

1657
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 3: for around five dollars fifty. So you can still get

1658
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 3: your jaff as they just called something else at six

1659
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 3: twenty five. Now, I've got some entertainment industry news for you.

1660
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: Nelly as in it's getting hot in her has got

1661
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 3: a TV show, a reality TV show. It's called Ashanti

1662
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 3: and Nelly, We Belong To to Gather Season one and

1663
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 3: it's streaming now on Prime Video, and they've got a

1664
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 3: baby boy. It turns out Nellie's not just thug for

1665
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 3: life now, he's actually a grown up with a baby.

1666
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 3: Baby's called KK. KK is one now, and Nellie is

1667
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 3: unfortunately a pretty hands off dad. He only wants to

1668
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 3: help parent KK wants KK is a little bit older.

1669
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 4: Well, it's all. You ain't gonna even lie, you know.

1670
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 7: I ain't got none for him, Absolutely not, I know,

1671
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 7: until he can say I'm hungry, until he can say

1672
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 7: I need to use the bathroom.

1673
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 9: But as soon as he started walking, I told him,

1674
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 9: I said, enjoy because as soon as he gets the

1675
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 9: walking and top, he went the crew.

1676
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 3: So he's gonna be part of the crew when he

1677
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 3: can walk and talk. Problem is also Nellie sleeps through

1678
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 3: the night. When KK cries.

1679
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,879
Speaker 22: It's absolutely ridiculous that you'll still be dead sleep and he'll.

1680
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 3: Be mad loud, but I don't even hear you all man,

1681
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 3: that's ridiculous.

1682
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 4: You know it's a gift. I guess why is that

1683
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 4: a gift? I'm blessed with that.

1684
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: No, that means get up, it's your turn changing.

1685
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 17: I'm gonna take you back to this conversation we have

1686
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 17: before you kick me under the table, I said, baby,

1687
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 17: I give you the world.

1688
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 4: I just ain't changing no dip. Oh my god.

1689
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that surprises anybody. Did anybody understand

1690
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 3: anything that Nellie just said? By the way, also, does

1691
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 3: anybody believe this?

1692
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 12: I don't know.

1693
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: I think they're hamming it up. Here's some ashanti. If

1694
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 3: you're like, who's the bird? This is a shanty?

1695
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 12: You know it?

1696
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 3: That's right, that's your two account college. Just go back

1697
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: and nine and nine and nine, baby, good, learn's next.

1698
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, look you.

1699
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 3: Baby a baby.

1700
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: I'm whether it's macro micro or just play.

1701
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: In economics, it's all on the business hours with Heather

1702
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen and mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth,

1703
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: protect your future, use.

1704
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 4: Talks at me.

1705
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 11: I mean it's a little bit in like, what is this?

1706
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 3: Ants?

1707
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 11: This is a helicoptery noise?

1708
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 3: Why are you doing this?

1709
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 20: Because but now we're.

1710
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 11: All fans pound cop is playing. I thought, you know

1711
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 11: as well, may as well enjoyed the signe a little bit.

1712
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 3: You are such a troll. I cannot believe it. How

1713
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 3: many disciples? How many spells?

1714
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 12: Was that?

1715
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 11: I don't think hopefully that one wasn't too loud. I

1716
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 11: don't want to think out so we'd have to call.

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01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 3: Us honestly, can you believe I have to work with

1718
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: this pack of jerks anyway? It's will that be in

1719
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 3: support of my positions? Absolutely not. So we're going to

1720
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: go to Gavin Gray very shortly obviously talk it and

1721
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: talk about what's going on in the UK right now.

1722
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 3: It's twenty four away from seven. Now. ACC is going

1723
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 3: to get much tighter with its claims payouts an attempt

1724
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 3: to reign in its massive deficit. It's committed to what

1725
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: it says are highly ambitious targets of reducing the number

1726
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 3: it supports via that weekly compensation. Tony tub Trainey is

1727
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Speaker 3: The Herald's Wellington Business editor and with us Alo jene

1728
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,440
Speaker 3: Hey when we say highly ambitious, how ambitious?

1729
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 6: Quite ambitious. I've just looked through a long report that

1730
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 6: ACC is put together. Basically, it aims to have the

1731
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 6: growth rate of the pool of people it supports for

1732
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 6: more than a year, so that at the moment that

1733
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 6: is increasing by thirteen percent a year, it wants that

1734
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 6: to increase by only six point six percent. Also, the

1735
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 6: number of claims that ACC receives has been growing at

1736
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 6: a faster rate than the population, so it wants to

1737
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 6: stop that and actually bring it down below the population

1738
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 6: growth rate. So I'm actually shocked by how large the

1739
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 6: ACC scheme is in the past year. It's it's dealt

1740
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 6: with about two million claims. You know, it's a lot

1741
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 6: of claims for a small country like New Zealand. So

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01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 6: I guess ACC is committing to really tightening its ship,

1743
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 6: and that is because the government is putting pressure on

1744
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 6: it to reiin in its costs and reduce the size

1745
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 6: of its deficit.

1746
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 3: Is the suggestion here that there are people who are

1747
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 3: getting this weekly pay compensation who actually shouldn't be getting it.

1748
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 6: There really is because for ACC to you know, reach

1749
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 6: these targets that it's put down in this report. You

1750
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 6: would imagine that if it was already operating really tightly,

1751
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 6: then it wouldn't be able to do that because you know,

1752
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 6: it needs to pay people in line with the law.

1753
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 6: So without a law change, how does it cut its

1754
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 6: cost this much? So you would imagine that there are

1755
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 6: people receiving ACC who perhaps don't need to be I

1756
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 6: think the government is really worried about people getting on

1757
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 6: ACC and not coming off and daying on for a

1758
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 6: long time. That's the group that it's really eyeing now.

1759
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 6: ACC and the government they haven't gone so fast to say,

1760
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 6: you know, people are ripping off the system, or that

1761
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 6: ACC is not managing the system well enough and enabling

1762
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 6: people to rip it off, but they have said a

1763
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 6: few things like, you know, they want to make sure

1764
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 6: that people are only receiving what they're entitled to. So

1765
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 6: the fact that it's pointing this out in this report

1766
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 6: suggests that it's not being that well run. Also, they

1767
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 6: want to look into increasing sanctions on people who don't

1768
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 6: follow the rules.

1769
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 3: Janay, Now, you and I know that this is going

1770
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: to get controversial, right because undoubtedly if you're kicking people

1771
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 3: off who aren't supposed to be there, you're going to

1772
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 3: make a few mistakes, and you're going to kick people

1773
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 3: off who are supposed to be there, who've got amazing

1774
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 3: sob stories, who are going to go to the newspapers

1775
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 3: about it, and it's going to be on the front page,

1776
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 3: right And so you need a minister handling this who

1777
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: is nimble and able to be compassionate and do it properly.

1778
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 3: It's got Someson.

1779
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 6: That guy, Oh, that's a big question. I've got something

1780
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 6: hasn't been in the role for that long, so I

1781
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 6: won't pass judgment yet. He is due to receive a

1782
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 6: couple of reports that his predecessor commissioned, so and these reports,

1783
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 6: you know, there are external reviews that look into culture

1784
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 6: and claims management and so on, so that should inform,

1785
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 6: you know, this turnaround plan that he's working on. So

1786
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 6: while ACC has all these targets, Scott Someson in the

1787
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,560
Speaker 6: coming months is due to release what he's going to

1788
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 6: call a turnaround plan for ACC. So I think we

1789
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 6: can look at that plan and judge, you know, and

1790
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 6: judge him from there. I think this will be a

1791
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 6: really major test for him.

1792
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might well be. Thank you so much as

1793
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 3: per Generative Rainey, The Herald's Wellington Business editor. You got

1794
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 3: that sound again ends So I reckon I can handle

1795
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 3: that if that's just happening a couple of times a week. Right,

1796
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 3: it's coming into how long does the top of take

1797
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 3: to land?

1798
01:26:59,760 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: Like?

1799
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, I was gonna say, we probably need to shake

1800
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 11: the studio as well to give the proper effect.

1801
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 3: Depending on how and what you need is you need

1802
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 3: to take Hoskins dison over there and put it on

1803
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 3: reverse and blow it at me as well, and then

1804
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 3: just get if you could just get some leak arrange that. Yeah,

1805
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 3: so throw some leaves and some dirt, a bit of

1806
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,640
Speaker 3: earthy kind of you know, detritus at me so I

1807
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 3: could get the full full effect. But I mean, look,

1808
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 3: that was over and done. Was really quickly that chopper landed.

1809
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm fine Now I can carry on drinking my gin

1810
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 3: and peace. Right, what's the problem? I risk my case

1811
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 3: twenty away from seven heads up. Now, if you have

1812
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 3: been bitting overseas, like if you've been using sports beed

1813
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 3: or whatever like, and there are quite a few people

1814
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 3: in New Zealand who do, you might have a little

1815
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 3: bit of a problem because if you haven't got your

1816
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 3: money out of sports bece already, it looks like it

1817
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 3: might be just a little bit a little bit harder

1818
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 3: than easy, do you know what I mean? To get

1819
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 3: your money out of sports beed. So bit overseas gambling

1820
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 3: for us was made illegal because you know, sometimes this

1821
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: government does try to do something that's like vaguely vibes

1822
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 3: a bit of muldoune at you. You're like, oh, that's right, Jason.

1823
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 3: We're here. We were just being adults for a second

1824
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 3: and managing our own internet overseas, and they were like, no,

1825
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to bet overseas anymore, Ben, cancel that.

1826
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 3: And that happened I think on Saturday. So sports Bet

1827
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 3: then sent out an email either today or yesterday to

1828
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 3: Kiwis with accounts and said, Hey, you can no longer

1829
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 3: access your account. If you're in New Zealand, you can't

1830
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 3: access your account, go on try it. If you don't

1831
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 3: believe me, try it on there. You won't be able to.

1832
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 3: You won't be able to. You've also and that's not

1833
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 3: even the end of it. You've also heads up, got

1834
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 3: twelve days to get your money out, and if you

1835
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 3: don't get your money out by the fourteenth of this month,

1836
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 3: your account is going to be suspended. Fortunately, there is

1837
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 3: a number that you can call, which is a one

1838
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 3: eight hundred number. Somebody told me in a panic today, Hey,

1839
01:28:47,439 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: you can't even call a one eight hundred number from

1840
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 3: New Zealander. You can. Don't worry. What you do is

1841
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 3: you plus six one plus six one one eight hundred

1842
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 3: and it goes through the answered, Hi, it's sports Bet.

1843
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 3: I hung up on them. So anyway, if you can

1844
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,600
Speaker 3: get a hold of them, and if you can go

1845
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 3: be bothered with kafuffle, you can get your money out.

1846
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 3: But what I think is really interesting and funny haha

1847
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 3: about this is that this was really well flagged day,

1848
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 3: like we knew this was going to happen. Sports Bet

1849
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 3: would have known this was gonna happen. It happened on Saturday.

1850
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 3: Sports Bet only sent out the email this week, which

1851
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 3: is to say, is it possible that sports Bet thought,

1852
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 3: hang on, don't send that email. Don't send that email.

1853
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 3: Wait wait now it's illegal. Now I can send the email.

1854
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:27,760
Speaker 3: Now they can't get their money. Did they do that?

1855
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. Call the number, you sort it your cash.

1856
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 3: But the person who called me was like, I don't

1857
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 3: have that much money. They're embarrassed. They were like, I

1858
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 3: don't really gamble that much. I mean, it's just placing

1859
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 3: bets on you know, political events, you know, because you

1860
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 3: can bet on who's going to be the government. I

1861
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 3: don't gamble that much. I was like, how much money

1862
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 3: you got in there? Oh the round few hundred dollars.

1863
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, make the phone call.

1864
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 12: Hey.

1865
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 3: Also, while we're at it can I just give a

1866
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:51,760
Speaker 3: shout out to somebody who I normally give quite a

1867
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 3: hard time to, which is the grocery Commissioner. The grocery

1868
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 3: Commissioner has actually issued his first warning. It's like a

1869
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 3: half shout out to him, because a warning is nothing right.

1870
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 3: A warning is a warning is me saying to the

1871
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 3: three year old, if you do that again, I'm taking

1872
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 3: your two pot lids that you call your symbols away

1873
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 3: from you. That's a warning when it gets when it

1874
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 3: gets crunch time is when you do take the potlids away.

1875
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 3: And we haven't got that from peer the Grocery commissioner

1876
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: just yet, but he has issued his first warning, so

1877
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 3: it's better than what it was yesterday. The warning is

1878
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,719
Speaker 3: against food Stuff's North Island because a supplier has complained.

1879
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 3: So it sounds like what has happened is allegedly is

1880
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 3: that the supplier has asked has gone to food Stuff's

1881
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 3: North Ireland allegedly and asked for a price increase, and

1882
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: the supermarket has not put that price increase through. Instead,

1883
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 3: what they've done is they've created allegedly a whole bunch

1884
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 3: of barriers. They've said to the supply, oh you filled

1885
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 3: out a form, but that was the wrong form. Yeah, oh,

1886
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 3: you didn't give us enough information. You've got to provide

1887
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 3: more information. And then started allegedly actively ignoring the supplier

1888
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 3: as well. As you can see that that's frustrating the process.

1889
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 3: In the end, something that was supposed to have happened

1890
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 3: within the rules within thirty days ended up taking four months.

1891
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 3: The Grocery Commissioner has warned food Stuff's North Island, don't

1892
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 3: do that again. And if you do that again, I

1893
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 3: will take further action and I will take your potlids

1894
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,720
Speaker 3: away from you. Now, that's what I want to see

1895
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 3: from the Grocery Commissioner next time.

1896
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 11: To be fair, Heather, I think even if a helicopter

1897
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,320
Speaker 11: was landing right next to your house, it'd probably be

1898
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 11: hard to hear it over the sound of the potlard symbol.

1899
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 4: Somehow, no, no is.

1900
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 3: I think probably this is probably the problem is that

1901
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 3: if you go to the parent of a toddler's house,

1902
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 3: they're like a helicopter. Mate, that's outdoors. I've got a

1903
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 3: helicopter indoors all day long, sixteen away from seven, Everything.

1904
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 4: From SMEs to the big corporates.

1905
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:41,600
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duplicy Ellen and mass insurance

1906
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1907
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 3: Youth talks be thirteen away from seven. Our UK correspondent

1908
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 3: is Gavin gray Hey, Gavin Hi there right. So this

1909
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 3: business with Kirstarmer pretty embarrassing. But once it started, it continues,

1910
01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 3: doesn't it.

1911
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 24: Yes, it does. And this is the third climb down,

1912
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,560
Speaker 24: the third u turn that Sekir Starmer has done, just

1913
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 24: coming up to the first anniversary of him becoming conservat

1914
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 24: the leader of the UK, taking over from the Conservative government.

1915
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 24: And this one was particularly messy, shambolic scenes in Parliament

1916
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 24: with so many different amendments being rushed through and his

1917
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,600
Speaker 24: own MP saying I've never seen anything so silly in

1918
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 24: my life. One of them said, they went off to

1919
01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 24: go and get a banana, came back and was asked

1920
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 24: to vote on something. They didn't have a clue what

1921
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 24: they were voting on. This is all about trying to

1922
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 24: reform the benefits Bill in the UK.

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Speaker 4: It is massive.

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Speaker 24: It currently takes eleven percent of gross domestic product or

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Speaker 24: the total value of the economy each year. Last year,

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Speaker 24: spending on welfare was roughly three hundred and thirteen billion

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Speaker 24: pounds six hundred and forty billion New Zealand dollars and

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Speaker 24: it's set to get much bigger, increasing by about a

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Speaker 24: fifth over the next five years. So you know, Labour

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Speaker 24: was trying to sort this out. They said that they

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Speaker 24: needed to make these cuts, they made them, and then

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Speaker 24: they've decided that because the rebel was saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 24: this is not what we stand for. You've got to

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Speaker 24: think again or we'll vote against it, the government had

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Speaker 24: to change things and change things quickly. And now it

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Speaker 24: looks like that the ten billion New Zealand dollars that

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Speaker 24: they aimed to save will now not be saved. And

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Speaker 24: that's going to knock the Chancellor's forecasts off. And I

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Speaker 24: suspect we'll lead to tax cuts soon that tax rises,

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Speaker 24: I should.

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Speaker 3: Say, ah, yep, most likely. I would imagine now what's

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Speaker 3: brought on these manslaughter changes against the's bosses?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, very interesting. So Lucy let be the biggest multiple

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Speaker 24: murderer of young children here in the UK in modern history,

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Speaker 24: currently serving fifteen whole life sentences for the murder of

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Speaker 24: seven babies and the attempted murder of seven others while

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Speaker 24: she was a nurse working with children and babies as

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Speaker 24: a hospital in Chester. Now there have been lots and

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Speaker 24: lots of concerns about her conviction. Much of it was

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Speaker 24: based on the fact that she was always on shift

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Speaker 24: when the babies were actually either dead or put into

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Speaker 24: very grave danger, but of course that isn't direct evidence.

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Speaker 24: Some of the evidence as well was around what she

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Speaker 24: wrote in her diary saying she was an evil person,

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Speaker 24: but again no direct link to that. So there have

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Speaker 24: been plenty of questions about her conviction, and now it's

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Speaker 24: materialized that three of her former bosses have also been

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Speaker 24: arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. In other words,

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Speaker 24: bosses and the senior leadership team at the Countess of

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Speaker 24: Chester hospital where this happened between twenty fifteen and twenty

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Speaker 24: sixteen should have noticed a rise, it's alleged, in the

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Speaker 24: fatality rate in their maternity, in their baby unit, the

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Speaker 24: neo natal unit, and should therefore have done more to

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Speaker 24: stop it. So that charge or that your charge rather

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Speaker 24: a gross negligence manslaughter is all about were they doing

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Speaker 24: their job and did the fact that if they weren't

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Speaker 24: doing it properly, did that lead to the depths of

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Speaker 24: these babies? But quite a twist in this extraordinary case.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is quite the twist. Hey, Gavin, I really

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Speaker 3: appreciate it. Thank you for your time, mate, look after yourself.

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Speaker 3: That's Gavin Gray, our UK correspondent right now. Nine away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see Allen Drive Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by newstalg ZBBI.

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Speaker 3: Hey, really quickly, seven away from seven, really quickly. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you this because I think this is going to

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Speaker 3: possibly become a thing, and certainly I've been keeping an

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Speaker 3: eye on it for a little bit. But this is

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Speaker 3: Hawks Bay Regional Council. There is a coroner's in quest

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Speaker 3: right now into the Cyclone Gabriel floods and so far

1981
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Speaker 3: Hawks Bay Regional Council is not coming out of this

1982
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Speaker 3: well because the Met Service has now told the coroner's

1983
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Speaker 3: inquiry that met Service was planning on upgrading the weather

1984
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Speaker 3: warning for Hawks Bay. This is before Cyclone Gabriel hit.

1985
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Speaker 3: They wanted to do a red. They had it in

1986
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Speaker 3: an orange to do a red, but apparently the regional

1987
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Speaker 3: Council didn't want to. This is according to Met Services

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Speaker 3: Chief Meteorologist. How the timeline went is that on the

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Speaker 3: twelfth of February at ten by the cyclone hasn't hit yet.

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Speaker 3: Twelfth of February ten am they want to issue a

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Speaker 3: red warning. Hawks Bay Regional Council says no. The hydrologists

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Speaker 3: say they've got high confidence in their flood modeling. There's

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Speaker 3: no major concerns, there will not be floods. Don't worry

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Speaker 3: about it. So February February twelve, ten am they don't

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Speaker 3: do it. Next day, February thirteen, cyclone makes landfall quarter

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Speaker 3: past three in the afternoon. They can see this needs

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Speaker 3: a red, so they issue a red. They can't say

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Speaker 3: what exactly calls them to an issue a red, but

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Speaker 3: I think you could probably assume it's because the weather

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Speaker 3: was bad enough that evening overnight between the thirteenth to

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Speaker 3: the fourteenth, the rain is so heavy, there is so

2002
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Speaker 3: much water in the Esk Valley, the flooding happens, the

2003
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Speaker 3: banks are burst, blah blah blah. The rest is history.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen people lose their lives across Hawks Bay and all. Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that nineteen people lost their lives because

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Speaker 3: the Met Service did not issue a red warning. We

2007
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Speaker 3: can't say that. But what we can say is that

2008
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 3: the Hawks Bay Regional Council look so bad in this

2009
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Speaker 3: situation because not only do we already know that they

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Speaker 3: did not issue any warnings on that evening, before the

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Speaker 3: lead up to that or when they could see that

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Speaker 3: there was problems with the banks, they didn't issue any

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Speaker 3: warnings and people were stuck on their rooms in x

2014
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Speaker 3: Esque Valley. They should have issued a warning. But now

2015
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Speaker 3: we find out that they actively tried to stop the

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Speaker 3: met Service by saying they didn't need to issue a

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Speaker 3: red warning the MET Service. So the whole thing is

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Speaker 3: just making these people look terrible. Keep an eye on

2019
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Speaker 3: that because I think that I think they've got questions

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Speaker 3: to answer. Ants. Guess what, guess what? Guess what I

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Speaker 3: got advertised at me today?

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Speaker 11: Ants it finally happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but actually not only like so specific. We finally

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Speaker 3: got an advert for a Mediterranean cruise with Viking. Hey,

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Speaker 3: that's who we were looking for. We got with the

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Speaker 3: bing gun.

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Speaker 11: Got so you're saying that the phone recorded you saying

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Speaker 11: that two weeks ago, weeks ago now, and it didn't

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Speaker 11: get hit you at an ad then, but it waited

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Speaker 11: two weeks for you to.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, it took that long to get it through

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Speaker 3: like to fill to go back.

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Speaker 11: To Zuckerberg and him to like, you know, cool, okay,

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Speaker 11: all right, well, oh yeah, I haven't left my position

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Speaker 11: that it could have probably put some other clues together

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Speaker 11: from your life, from your location and stuff like that

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Speaker 11: to guess that you might be vulnerable to a curree.

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Speaker 3: Pretty amazing. We did say Vikings Mediterranean Cruises, and now

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Speaker 3: I've got the ad.

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Speaker 11: Okay, all right, I give up. What was that by

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01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 11: Lord to play us out tonight? At least if you

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Speaker 11: buy that cruise you will hopefully get to go on it.

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Speaker 11: Some Lord fans are having a bit of a problem

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Speaker 11: with that that if they've bought the new album Vergin

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Speaker 11: on CD, it comes. It's really cool, it's transparent, it's

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Speaker 11: got a really cool design on it. The problem is

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Speaker 11: it doesn't really play music. So there's been lots of

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Speaker 11: reports that trying to play it and a lot of

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01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 11: CD players it doesn't work because why well, the way

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Speaker 11: CDs work is that it reflects a laser back onto

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Speaker 11: something else and so if the CD is transparent, the

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Speaker 11: laser goes straight through and it can't read it. So, yeah,

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Speaker 11: cool design, and this isn't like a special edition. This

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Speaker 11: is the only CD you can buy. So yeah, great,

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Speaker 11: great design, great aesthetic. I just kind of wish that

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Speaker 11: the CD also did the thing that it's supposed to

2057
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Speaker 11: do and play music.

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Speaker 3: Did Sam buy the CD?

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Speaker 11: Sam did not. Sam's okay, he's got two vinyls vinyl right, well,

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Speaker 11: no it hasn't. He's got one vinyl and then one

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Speaker 11: vinyl and transit, so he's he's got one playable one

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Speaker 11: and one backup playable one, so he'll be okay.

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Speaker 3: The Wood has definitely outperformed on storylines for this, hasn't then?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely?

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Speaker 10: Oh? Absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 11: Quite happy for her to do another roblem, Lord Arrested, Lord.

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Speaker 3: And the nud Lord's things that don't work. This is

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Speaker 3: the albums that don't work. So anyway, well done to you,

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Speaker 3: Lord with the pr see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: You still see me.

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