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Speaker 1: It was a day of change announcements yesterday coming change

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Speaker 1: coming to the early Childhood center. If the claims about

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Speaker 1: compliance are accurate, they're not a moment too soon I

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Speaker 1: would have thought. So we've got a review. It's been

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Speaker 1: announced that will include education, health safety, child protection, food safety,

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Speaker 1: buildings and workplaces. Funding will be reviewed separately.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The chief executive of the Early Childhood New Zealand, Kathy Wolf,

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Speaker 1: is with us on this Kathy.

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Speaker 2: Morning, more than a Mike How are I very well?

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Speaker 1: And do thank you? Is this good or not?

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Speaker 2: It's great, It's a big deal. If we do this well,

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Speaker 2: it will make a huge difference for the early childhood sector.

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Speaker 1: Those compliance examples David Seymour was given yesterday, are they real?

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Speaker 2: Yep? Definitely that every day in some of the early

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Speaker 2: living centers. And this is where you know there's that

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Speaker 2: balance between overregulated and underregulated.

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Speaker 1: Would most people who run childhood centers if I wandered

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Speaker 1: into them and say just generally speaking, are you overregulated

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Speaker 1: or underregulated? Most of them say over.

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Speaker 2: Potentially? Yeah. Mostly they didn't want to be saying then how.

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Speaker 1: Did we get here? Why are we regulated?

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Speaker 2: I think it's potentially the over zealousness of things. So

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Speaker 2: as soon as something goes wrong in an early told

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Speaker 2: the services like, well, let's just slap a rule around that,

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Speaker 2: and it just kind of morphed into this enormous beast.

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Speaker 2: You know, none of us saying we need to get

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Speaker 2: a point where children aren't safe and getting a quality education,

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Speaker 2: but we are saying that we need to get teachers

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Speaker 2: back in front of children, focusing on their learning rather

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Speaker 2: than in an office drowning and administrative overload?

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Speaker 1: Is it one of those things that everyone agrees on?

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Speaker 1: Would the ministry agree and the people who fill out

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Speaker 1: the paperworker, So everyone agrees there's a problem, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody's willing to work towards a safe space

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Speaker 2: where this is going to be identifying about what's working

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Speaker 2: and what's not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just interesting that as yet another one of

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Speaker 1: these things that we all seem to agree something's not

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Speaker 1: quite right, but no one's ever done anything about Why

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Speaker 1: hasn't anyone done anything about it?

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Speaker 2: I think it's been in a too heart basket. And

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Speaker 2: we're not necessarily saying that the policy or the regulation

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Speaker 2: statement and the tent is incorrect. It's more around the process,

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Speaker 2: the procedures and the implementation thereof because a lot of

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Speaker 2: the time it's about the interpretation of what that rule

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Speaker 2: is saying. And you know, the early learning sector is

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Speaker 2: subject to many reviews. You know, you can get four

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Speaker 2: or five agencies coming through your doors, and the workload

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Speaker 2: of that is enormous. And you know, the one standalone

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Speaker 2: early learning service has the same compliance rules as a

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Speaker 2: much larger providers who have five to ten, you know,

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Speaker 2: or even many more. They might have the economies of

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Speaker 2: scale to focus on those reviews, but if you're talking

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Speaker 2: about a standalone, small community that takes teachers away from educating.

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Speaker 1: Chalkren David Simols yesterday saying if we can clean up

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Speaker 1: the paperwork and get this thing simplified, you can do

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Speaker 1: more and you can move faster. Is he right?

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Speaker 2: He's definitely has a point there, because it is about

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Speaker 2: making sure we can focus on forwarding a modern, leading

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Speaker 2: early learning sector. We do need to have teachers, center owners,

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Speaker 2: employers focusing on world clast early learning education. There's absolutely

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Speaker 2: a room for compliance. We need to keep children safe

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Speaker 2: and look after their well being, but then we can

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Speaker 2: focus on quality education and not be drowned and pablic good.

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Speaker 1: That's what we want. Kathy appreciated very much. Kathy Wolf,

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Speaker 1: who's the chief executive of Childhood.

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