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Speaker 1: Depressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Andrew

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Speaker 1: Dickens on hither duplic elan drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: coverage like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said me good afternoons, You're welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for choosing us today. Commercial fishes can now

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Speaker 2: catch baby snapper, but recreational fishes can't, So what could

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Speaker 2: possibly go wrong with us that story? Just after five,

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Speaker 2: we're going to go to the Katar for the latest

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Speaker 2: on the war. What is the pollution that's killing seven

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Speaker 2: hundred auglands every year and can we do anything about it?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: We got the sports huddle to get you amped for

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Speaker 2: the weekend and you can have your say on the

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Speaker 2: text ninety two to ninety two small charge applies. It's

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Speaker 2: eight after four Dickens, So welcome to the fuel crisis,

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Speaker 2: which is starting to feel a little bit like COVID junior,

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Speaker 2: with the government apparently developing targeted support for lower middle

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Speaker 2: income households facing the rising fuel prices due to the

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Speaker 2: ongoing international fuel crisis. Australia is already launching these things

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Speaker 2: now they focus on delivering aid quickly through the tax

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Speaker 2: and welfare system. Yes, ladies and gentlemen. It's another tax

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Speaker 2: credit scheme. Now, the problem with that and so many

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Speaker 2: other tax credit schemes that national have come up with,

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Speaker 2: It under delivered, costs more than expected and benefited higher

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Speaker 2: scheme to be simple, but New Zealanders want something simpler.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to have to apply to get money

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Speaker 2: Nor will National suggest working from home or subsidizing public

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Speaker 2: like covid iiO, isn't it, with wacky old schemes to

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Speaker 2: So it's ten minutes after four and GPS are noticing

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Speaker 2: Betty Brian, good afternoon.

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Andrew, nice to be here.

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Speaker 6: So is this new.

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Speaker 5: So this variant, it's called a subclad K, so it's

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Speaker 5: a variant of influenza A, something we get every year.

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Speaker 5: It emerged late last year and is now a dominant variant.

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Speaker 5: We know it's in New Zealand, but the cases haven't

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Speaker 5: That's the worry that it is going to be early,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Brian Betty, I thank you General Practice New Zealand

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Speaker 2: chairman say it's just like COVID junior, isn't he. Brian's

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Speaker 2: They've rejected the World Health Organization. Second time we've done this.

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Speaker 2: There's some cricket on though I know that Andy, my producer, says,

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Speaker 2: There the time is now eighteen minutes out to for Paine.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program, Andrew.

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Speaker 7: Great to hear your voice mate, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. We go to Crecket game happening

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Speaker 2: at seven fifteen today. Are you into it or is it,

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Speaker 7: I'm actually more interested in the women's game because these

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Speaker 7: A B team or whatever it is. I'm quite interested, though, Andrew,

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I guess we'll drag on to another week

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a very good question, and you're right. Every

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Speaker 7: to they'd say that they're going to get you know,

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Speaker 7: they're going to benefit from it. Yes they will. But

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Speaker 7: here in New Zealand. They're thinking of the wider ecosystem, yes, themselves,

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Speaker 7: go to the Big Bash Andrew, what happens to those players?

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Speaker 7: Where do they play?

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Speaker 2: Good point? Can the Warriors go through?

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Speaker 2: On Saturday?

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Speaker 7: I think so?

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Speaker 7: They're playing your orum producer Andy's Newcastle Knights, who are

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Speaker 7: Klukstar and Chanelle Harris Tavita both missing. But look the

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Speaker 7: I would not be at all surprised if the Warriors

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Speaker 2: Is that Cleary boy getting a bad deal?

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Speaker 4: Jet Clary.

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Speaker 1: Heb the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

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Speaker 2: O the irony Nikola, What a wacky old world in

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Speaker 2: which we live. Back Monday from six am the Mic

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Speaker 4: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Andrew Dickens on hither duplicy Ellen dry with one

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Speaker 2: You to the text ninety two ninety two Andrew, I

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Speaker 2: do you, of course you should, Andrew on the tax

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Speaker 2: Fair point, Adam writes. Targeted fuel rebates are bs because

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Speaker 2: Tony says, man, are you getting you an editorial script

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Speaker 2: directly from Chippy's office. This government is not fire hosing

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Speaker 4: There we go?

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Speaker 2: Hey, so still to come damn Machison out of the UK.

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Speaker 2: There's a one hundred year old bloke who's a war veteran,

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Speaker 2: and what's happening with the war. Here on Drive the newstalk.

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Speaker 1: SIB the day's newsmakers talk to Andrew first Andrew Dickens

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, I'm Andrew Dickens in for Heather Drew Alan.

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Speaker 2: She's just taken the day off. She's going to be

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Speaker 2: I love following John O. Riddler. He's the madman who's

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Speaker 2: So why he's taking a rest day to watch rocket

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Speaker 2: would actually rip you unity, would it not. Meanwhile, by

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Speaker 4: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive right.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to go to a Russian State TV crew

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Speaker 12: Further rocket attacks were reported against Naharia on a minute.

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Speaker 11: I couldn't care less about your silly little insult.

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Speaker 13: It's like a two year old.

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Speaker 3: Listen, sir, I don't know why you come on and

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Speaker 13: That's this please cooked you know what.

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Speaker 14: I'm not doing this, sorry, guys, it's pointless.

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Speaker 2: And then the interviewer storms off and a half. Now,

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Speaker 2: to say about hs TICKI talky this peace to work

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Speaker 4: Because we wanted surprise.

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Speaker 15: Who knows better about surprise than Japan? Okay, why didn't

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Speaker 2: Yes, for real, to his face, the Japanese Prime Minister,

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Speaker 16: Listen, don't mention the war. I mentioned it once, but

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Speaker 16: I think I got away with it, all right. Will

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Speaker 16: you just stop talking about the law me you started it.

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Speaker 16: We did not start it as you did. You invaded Poland.

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Speaker 2: Classic twenty one to five International correspondence with ends and

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Speaker 2: Machison joins me out of the States, Dan, Hello, Hello Andrew.

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Speaker 2: President Donald Trump told off Benjamin Netanyahu and told him

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I don't know if he told him off

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Speaker 8: He's said, and Yahoo said that President Trump asked him

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Speaker 8: and of course, as you know, has sent oil prices

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Speaker 4: And while he's.

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Speaker 8: Doing that, Trump is also asking for about two hundred

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Speaker 8: Briefly, Well, I don't know if it's made much progress,

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Speaker 2: Well, news to you. The New Zealand Prime Minister last

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Speaker 2: night said that apparently this conflict has at least eight

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Speaker 2: to twelve weeks to go, which seems to be more

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Speaker 2: than the US administration knows. But I guess Christopher Lexon

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Speaker 2: is tied into great knowledge. But there we go. Now,

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Speaker 2: here's two words for you, Epstein files.

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Speaker 8: Boy, I'll tell you it seems like Andrew, there's everything

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Speaker 8: over here in DC that's connected to this. And right

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Speaker 8: now we've got a guy by the name of Kevin

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Speaker 8: Walsh who is going to become, or at least President

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Speaker 8: Trump hopes will become the next Federal Reserve chair. A

447
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Speaker 8: lot of power right there. Our current chair is going

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Speaker 8: to be stepping down in a couple of month, Jerome Powell,

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Speaker 8: who President Trump has been trying to get rid of

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Speaker 8: for some time. There's no Senate confirmation date hearing yet,

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Speaker 8: and there's several factors that are playing into this part

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Speaker 8: of that. Now, maybe Jeffrey Epstein, there are emails that

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Speaker 8: were sent from an account associated with Epstein that were

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Speaker 8: released by the Department of Justice over here, and it's

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Speaker 8: suggesting that Warsh and his wife were invited to events

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Speaker 8: that Epstein helped organize. And I think what we're finding

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Speaker 8: out about these thousands and thousands and thousands of emails

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Speaker 8: andrew that have been released is that everybody seems to

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Speaker 8: have had a connection in some way. Now, whether or

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Speaker 8: not they were friends, whether or not they were colleagues,

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Speaker 8: maybe they were just ships in the night passing and

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Speaker 8: happened to have their photo taken. But it's all coming

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Speaker 8: back to this man. And yet it doesn't seem like

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Speaker 8: we're making a lot of progress on this. It just

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Speaker 8: seems to be one of those things that are being

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Speaker 8: held up again and again and which Trump has been

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Speaker 8: trying to brush under the rug.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and now to this quite a remarkable story. A

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Speaker 2: one hundred year old war veteran has become the world's

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Speaker 2: oldest organ dona. So what's his name and what did

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Speaker 2: he give?

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Speaker 8: Well, he's Dale Steele and he was one hundred. He

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Speaker 8: became the oldest organ donor here in the US. He

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Speaker 8: found World War two. When he died His liver was

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Speaker 8: recovered at Nebraska Medicine and successfully transplanted the following day. Now,

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Speaker 8: I didn't know this until I heard about this, But

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Speaker 8: your liver is about three years old. My liver is

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Speaker 8: about three years old, and that one hundred year old

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Speaker 8: donor his liver was about three years old. The doctor said.

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Speaker 8: So cases like this are extraordinary. We don't hear about

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Speaker 8: it very often. But age alone is what we're finding out,

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Speaker 8: doesn't determine a donor eligibility, which is why there's always

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Speaker 8: such a big push here. When you get your driver's

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Speaker 8: license or you knew it, they want to know are

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Speaker 8: you a donor? Will you please be a donor? And

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Speaker 8: they put a little mark on your driver's license.

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Speaker 2: But there's always the question about whether you can survive

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Speaker 2: the operation, whether you can survive the procedure, whether you're

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Speaker 2: fit enough. So this one hundred year old had got

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Speaker 2: to be pretty fit to go through an operation to

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Speaker 2: give the bit of his liver that he gave.

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Speaker 8: Well, he had passed away. He had just passed away,

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Speaker 8: and that's why they were able to do the the

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Speaker 8: transplant the very next day. Yeah, okay, yeah, so but

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Speaker 8: that's that's another one of those things where it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 8: don't don't count out on age right now. If you

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Speaker 8: have the opportunity to be a donor, go for it.

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Speaker 2: No one wants my liver, a mate, I can tell

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Speaker 2: you that for sure.

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Speaker 8: I'll take your words for that.

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Speaker 11: I'll take your word for that.

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Speaker 2: Damn Mitchison. I think you for your time, Dan Mitchison

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Speaker 2: out of the United States of America. A number of

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Speaker 2: texts through informing me that the Japanese leader is female,

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Speaker 2: which I'm perfectly aware of. I like the text that

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Speaker 2: says her face because apparently I said his face. I

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Speaker 2: didn't even know I said it. And my text says,

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Speaker 2: you're too excited, Andrew, and well, I am. Rather I

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Speaker 2: haven't done the Drive show for a long time, so

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He he she, I'm so sorry. Meanwhile, all

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Speaker 2: these gender issues. Meanwhile, Jeremy writes, surely Heather hasn't gone

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Speaker 2: to Mark Mitchell's wedding. I have no idea, but I

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Speaker 2: do know that it's happening in the Coromandel. I think

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Speaker 2: up round ha hey now quite too new, which is

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Speaker 2: just out of fity young. I know that, and I

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Speaker 2: do know that that burying head they have a holiday

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Speaker 2: place that is down by or south on the Coromandel Peninsua.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, maybe that's what's happened. All I

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Speaker 2: know is that Heather is back on Monday and Barry

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Speaker 2: is not here today, which means that Thomas coglan is

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Speaker 2: going to talk to us about politics. And there's appears

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Speaker 2: to be only one topic in politics right now, and

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Speaker 2: that might be the fuel crisis that's next on news

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Speaker 2: talks here, But it's a quarter to five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, certaindy.

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Speaker 2: Twelve to five. Thomas Coughlin is filling in for Barry

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Speaker 2: Soper and is obviously not invited to Mark. But she's

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Speaker 2: wedding Heather Tom.

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Speaker 17: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 18: I'm offended. I'm going to give them a terrible coverage.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't say that. You don't be a

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Speaker 2: biased media person.

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Speaker 15: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Now, look what one story. One story is dominating the

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Speaker 2: Iran crisis, and Nicola Willis has been defending the government's approach.

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Speaker 2: I know, I've actually got stuck into the possible idea

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Speaker 2: of a tax credit rebate on fuel prices, simply because

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Speaker 2: the thing a been that it's the most is bureaucrats

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Speaker 2: because most of the money goes in admin.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I suppose. So there are a couple of things

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Speaker 18: you could do, so you can just you could just

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Speaker 18: wipe the fuel excise or cut the fuel excise. Fuel

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Speaker 18: excise is a large portion of you when you fill

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Speaker 18: up at the pump and you cut it by twenty

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Speaker 18: five cents, for instance, and that is pretty immediate relief.

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Speaker 18: You saw that when Labor did that last time round.

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Speaker 18: The petrol stations were pretty cognizant and the fact that

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Speaker 18: the government was watching them when they passed that on.

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Speaker 18: The problem is it's bloody expensive. It costs you know,

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Speaker 18: a billion dollars for the year, I think, and that

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Speaker 18: is just not money that the government has at this

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Speaker 18: point in time. They're looking at something which is a

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Speaker 18: litet bit more targeted. And I think the bureaucredit issue

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Speaker 18: is an interesting one because you don't the cost of

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Speaker 18: living payment, which is the thing that Labor invented and

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Speaker 18: the budget in twenty twenty two that did actually need

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Speaker 18: a bit of bureaucratic kind of brain behind it because

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Speaker 18: it was designed from scratch. What the government appears to

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Speaker 18: be looking at is using working for Families tax credits

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Speaker 18: and then another tax credit called the Independent Earner Tax Credit. Basically,

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Speaker 18: if you're in less than seventy thousand dollars, you're probably

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Speaker 18: going to be in line for one of these two credits,

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Speaker 18: and it would just adjust the amount of money that

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Speaker 18: you get from them. So it's a matter of a

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Speaker 18: few public servants changing a couple of numbers on the

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Speaker 18: spreadsheet up. It's an oversimplification, but you know it's basically

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Speaker 18: like that.

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Speaker 13: So it does.

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Speaker 18: It does mean there's less of that bureaucratic wrangling, but

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Speaker 18: it does quite easily deliver a lot of money to

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Speaker 18: people's bank accounts because it just goes through the ID system.

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Speaker 18: They've got your ID number, they've got your bank number,

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Speaker 18: and they can give you some money pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well explained, But you're still going to have

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Speaker 2: to apply for it, and will people have enough time

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Speaker 2: and motivation to apply for it?

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Speaker 18: Well, actually, you don't have to apply for it. That's

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Speaker 18: I think.

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Speaker 2: Why now they how they know what you're getting, how

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Speaker 2: much you've spent on the field or is it just

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Speaker 2: an automatic one off payment.

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Speaker 18: No, it's a so working for families is based on

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Speaker 18: your income counts.

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Speaker 13: It doesn't.

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Speaker 18: It doesn't. It isn't related to to how much you

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Speaker 18: spend on fuel. It is a It is a calculation

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Speaker 18: that's based on your income. And obviously you have your

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Speaker 18: io D number and and through that, through your ID number,

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Speaker 18: i D knows knows how much you earned and whether

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Speaker 18: you qualified.

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Speaker 2: So it's not really a fuel tax rebake. And remember

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Speaker 2: this is just a proposal so far. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think it's more just a cost of living give out

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Speaker 2: to people earning under seventy grand.

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Speaker 18: There is there hasn't gone a cabinet yet, so we

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Speaker 18: don't really know what they're looking at. They're not looking

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Speaker 18: at a fuel I think they're not looking at a

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Speaker 18: fuel rebase. I think the it's the thing to be

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Speaker 18: very clear on that what they're looking at is not

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Speaker 18: related to you spend a certain amount of money on

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Speaker 18: fuel and therefore you get this amount of money back.

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Speaker 18: That is what they're not looking at.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what else are they thinking about?

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Speaker 18: Well, that's the main thing at the moment. New Zealand

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Speaker 18: First has its partly conference at the weekend, so we'll

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Speaker 18: hear a wee bit from there about what they think.

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Speaker 18: New Zealand First, it seems is actually more keen on

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Speaker 18: a sort of fuel fuel related.

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Speaker 17: Remedy.

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Speaker 18: I guess so that that they I think saw what

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Speaker 18: Labour did in twenty twenty two when they cut that

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Speaker 18: twenty five cents off off the cost of a leader

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Speaker 18: of fuel. I think they're more inclined to do something

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Speaker 18: like that. National Act a wee bit tighter on the

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Speaker 18: money side of things. Well, it's to be less keen

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Speaker 18: on that.

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Speaker 2: It's not that they're tight on the money side. It's

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Speaker 2: just that we actually have a huge debt and all

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Speaker 2: the government revenue is needed just to keep the services

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Speaker 2: going but also to pay off the debts, so they

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Speaker 2: don't want to give themselves a pay cut.

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Speaker 18: Yes, that is that is exactly the calculation in New

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Speaker 18: Zealand First Care. Wow, this was necessarily pejorative. I guess

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Speaker 18: New Zealand First is a slightly slightly less inclined to

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Speaker 18: to weight the issue of the deficit and reducing the

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Speaker 18: debt ratio than in their kind of in the hierarchy

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Speaker 18: of priorities. Then Act and National would be.

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Speaker 2: Very good stuff. Tom Coglan, enjoy your weekend and Tom

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Speaker 2: will be back with us later in the program and

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Speaker 2: we'll review the entire week, which includes, of course the

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Speaker 2: Hipkins thing, and I may in fact have something to

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Speaker 2: say about that in a moment. A few text through

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Speaker 2: Trump saying to the Japanese Prime Minister and referencing pil

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Speaker 2: Harbor is an absolute disgrace. Thank you die. And that

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Speaker 2: was the important point to take out of that, not

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Speaker 2: that I might have got a the she and the

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Speaker 2: he might have come out a little bit wrong. Liz

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Speaker 2: is Andrew, listen more carefully. We have not got a

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Speaker 2: fuel crisis yet. Reporters like you do nothing but cause problems.

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Speaker 2: Get your facts right. Well, there's going at the pump

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Speaker 2: and see if that feels like a crisis or not

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Speaker 2: to you. And another text says fuel so the squeeze

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Speaker 2: midd'll get nothing in fund poorer folk. Yet again, even

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Speaker 2: than that's failing on this one cut the excise tax,

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Speaker 2: says my Texter GST increases with these increases, so the

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Speaker 2: grubs are already getting more money. We do you stay

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Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two small charge applies at seven to five. Hey,

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Speaker 2: So I'm Andrew Dickinson for Heather drops Alan and care

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Speaker 2: I say it was just a good week to not

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Speaker 2: be on the radio, which I wasn't. During the Chippy

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Speaker 2: Jade Paul saga, our hosts talked about it without detailing

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Speaker 2: the allegations or discussing the rights and wrongs of them.

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Speaker 2: But all week long there was this enormous pressure coming

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Speaker 2: from the text machine and the audience you asking for

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Speaker 2: their opinion, some alleging that the so called legacy media

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Speaker 2: was whitewashing the issue. But the thing about legacy media

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Speaker 2: is that we have some rules, unlike the wild West

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Speaker 2: of the Internet. So Mike and Carey wouldn't bite, and

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Speaker 2: it was entertaining to hear them refusing to bite and

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Speaker 2: Frank ignore. Would I You know the allegations exist because

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Speaker 2: we reported that they exist, but not their details. You

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Speaker 2: don't need us to tell you how to think. It's

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Speaker 2: important to note that Chris Hipkins quickly said he'd taken

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Speaker 2: legal device not on what his ex wife posted, but

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Speaker 2: on what people what he could do to people who

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Speaker 2: repeat the allegations. This is libel. And as Mike said,

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Speaker 2: all week long, what do you want me to do?

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Speaker 2: Go break the laws of the land and libel the guy. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you want, you can find the allegations on the

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Speaker 2: internet in a blink and then you can form your

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Speaker 2: own opinions on the quality of the man and then

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Speaker 2: make yourself heard at the ballot box. You're a grown up.

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Speaker 2: You don't need us to tell you what to do

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Speaker 2: or what to think, and you don't need to figure

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Speaker 2: out you don't need your bias confirmed by us. But

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Speaker 2: there we go. Do it at the box. Do it

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Speaker 2: at the ballot box, all right. Fishing pandy baby snappers

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Speaker 2: can be fished now by commercial fisher people. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about this right after the news, which is nixt on Newstalk.

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Speaker 1: V, the only drive show you can try it to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, find the facts and

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Speaker 1: give the analysis. Andrew Dickens on' here the duplicy allan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

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Speaker 1: mobile news talks.

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Speaker 2: Hiv eron and welcome to the program. We're off to

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Speaker 2: Quitar shortly, but first, baby snapper could soon be caught

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Speaker 2: legally by commercial fishes. A fisheries amendment bill proposes removing

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Speaker 2: size limits for popular species, including snapper, tarakhi, blue moki,

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Speaker 2: and travalley but there'll still be size limits for recreational anglers.

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Speaker 2: They can't catch them New Zealand Sport Fishing Council's Mike

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Speaker 2: Plant is with me now to talk about this. Kiday,

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Speaker 2: How are you, Mike Evening? Andrew Hey, So, what's your members'

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Speaker 2: problems with this?

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Speaker 13: Look, We've just come out of a pretty productive meeting

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Speaker 13: with Jenny Marcroft, Cameron Luxton from ACT and Grant McCollum

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Speaker 13: about this issue. We've been taken by surprise a bit

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Speaker 13: by the intent of the bill and little things like

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Speaker 13: this all adding up to well, I guess the feeling

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Speaker 13: that we're no longer a public stakeholder in a publicly owned,

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Speaker 13: finite resource fishery. It's really hurting us. And yeah, we

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Speaker 13: can go into the detail on both sizes, but it's

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Speaker 13: part of a bigger picture of these fisheries amendment bills.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it would strip the stocks?

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, if you're taking fish before they have a

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Speaker 13: chance to breed. If anyone who failed science can still

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Speaker 13: understand that.

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Speaker 2: Would the baby fish court be bycatch the same way

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Speaker 2: there was the changes to the rules that allowed them

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Speaker 2: to sell swordfish.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a way around it to say it's bycatch

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Speaker 13: and it would go to waste and things like that.

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Speaker 13: But ultimately you're still not addressing the court issue, which

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Speaker 13: is how are they catching these undersized fish they're trawling.

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Speaker 13: That method is redundant and it's affecting our fishery. For

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Speaker 13: recreational fishes like ourselves, if a Kiwi wants to catch

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Speaker 13: some snapper and they're catching baby snapper, they increase their

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Speaker 13: hook size to catch larger snapper, so baby snapper's mouths

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Speaker 13: aren't big enough to take the hook in its mouth.

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Speaker 13: That is a change to the fishing method that we

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Speaker 13: all do to catch legal snapper. And for some reason, again,

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Speaker 13: commercial fishes don't have to follow those kind of behaviors

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Speaker 13: of innovation or changing to protect the fishery.

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Speaker 2: Now, Shane Jones, we actually asked him to appear on

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Speaker 2: the program. He declined. But if Shane Jones was here,

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Speaker 2: what would you say to him.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well, Shane Jones was meant to be at the

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Speaker 13: meeting we just had and he couldn't make it. The

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Speaker 13: excuse was he was working on the fuel crisis. And

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Speaker 13: if we are to talk about the fuel crisis, turning

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Speaker 13: diesel into protein as one of the core businesses of

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Speaker 13: these trawlers, and as fuel increases, trawling is very heavy

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Speaker 13: on fuel, so you know that whole behavior and system

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Speaker 13: is at risk fundamentally. If he wants to make some

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Speaker 13: real changes, he can consult the New Zealand public which

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Speaker 13: we haven't been consulted properly on and listen to us

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Speaker 13: and look after this publicly owned shared resource.

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Speaker 2: My plan from the New Zealand Sports Fishing Council. I

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Speaker 2: thank you for your timing. Look, I get that Shane

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Speaker 2: Jones is trying to protect jobs for his people, but

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Speaker 2: the ee he represents also like to put out a

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Speaker 2: boat with some recreational fishes and bring back some kimawana

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Speaker 2: for their hapoo. And these people are also unting him

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Speaker 2: a mandate, not just the commercial official people. And it'd

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Speaker 2: be nice to talk to your Shane. It is ten

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Speaker 2: after five, all right. The war on Iran is threatening

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Speaker 2: to spread wider. Saudi Arabia is warning that it could

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Speaker 2: strike back after Iranian attacks on oil and gas sites

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Speaker 2: across the Gulf caused price surges around the globe, and

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Speaker 2: one of the strikes was on the world's largest liquefied

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Speaker 2: natural gas plants in Qatar. Well Doha based New Zealand

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Speaker 2: journalist Courtney Hammond is in Qatar and he and joins us. Now, Hello, Courtney, Cure, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: how are you very good? How bad was that attack?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, the attack was devastating for Cutter, and it marks

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Speaker 10: a huge escalation in this war. It came in response

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Speaker 10: to an Israeli attack on Iran's South Pars gas field.

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Speaker 10: Iran has retaliated by targeting energy facilities across the Gulf,

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Speaker 10: in Saudi Arabia, in the United Arab Emirates, and in Cutter.

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Speaker 10: The attacks on cut in particular, they've seriously damaged the

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Speaker 10: rattlerfan Gas which is the world's largest allergy refinery. It

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Speaker 10: produces about twenty percent of the world's allergy exports, which

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Speaker 10: are mostly headed to Europe and Asia. Seventeen percent of

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Speaker 10: Cutter's export capacity has now been wiped out and they

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Speaker 10: say it could take up to five years to repair.

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Speaker 10: So this is a huge blow for Cutter and they're

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Speaker 10: taking it very seriously.

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Speaker 2: And the Saudi's want to do some revenge on all

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Speaker 2: of this. Are those threats are potentially dangerous escalation of

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Speaker 2: this war.

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Speaker 10: Well, the attacks have prompted strong responses because, after all,

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Speaker 10: these facilities are at the heart of these Gulf countries economies,

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Speaker 10: right so Saudi Arabia's foreign minister has warned that his

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Speaker 10: country's tolerance for attacks on its energy infrastructure is limited.

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Speaker 10: They've said that Saudi Arabia reserves the right to take

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Speaker 10: military actions of deems necessary. He hasn't seen when that

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Speaker 10: would happen, but he's said that Saudi and its neighbors,

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Speaker 10: you know, they have significant capabilities should they need to

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Speaker 10: use them. Cutter has also responded. They've called this attack

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Speaker 10: violation on its sovereignty and the vast Iranian military and

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Speaker 10: security personnel to leave Cutter, which is a clear sign

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Speaker 10: that relations are deteriorating very quickly, and the Golf countries

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Speaker 10: are angry and frustrated. But yesterday the Cuttery Prime Minister

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Speaker 10: called for de escalation and said that diplomacy is still

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Speaker 10: the solution. So hope is not lost yet.

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Speaker 2: But Iran is hitting a number countries that you would

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Speaker 2: normally think they would think were friends. So is that

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Speaker 2: surprising the region.

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Speaker 10: It shouldn't come as a surprise really, because Iran has

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Speaker 10: made it very clear from the beginning that it would

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Speaker 10: respond to Israeli and US aggression by hitting the countries

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Speaker 10: that host US military bases, and that includes Cutter, which

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Speaker 10: hosts the United States largest air base in the region.

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Speaker 10: But what makes this escalation significant is that Iran's attacks

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Speaker 10: on Cutter and the other Golf countries now have definitively

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Speaker 10: expanded beyond the American bases and military infrastructure to economic infrastructure.

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Speaker 10: And the damage that's caused by these attacks will affect

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Speaker 10: energy supply in the long term, and it will undoubtedly

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Speaker 10: be sout globally.

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Speaker 2: Now, the big question around the world is how long

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Speaker 2: is this going to go on for? I know our

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Speaker 2: own Prime Minister yesterday said don't expect it anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: He said eight to twelve weeks. How he's knew that,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But what is the sense that you

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Speaker 2: have from your contacts about how long this war is

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Speaker 2: going to continue for?

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Speaker 10: Well, it is the big old question, isn't it? Because

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Speaker 10: there just doesn't seem to be a clear exit plan

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Speaker 10: for the US or Israel, and Iran doesn't seem to

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Speaker 10: be all that interested in negotiations either. The United States

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Speaker 10: objective for the war is still pretty unclear, and they've

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Speaker 10: given really mixed timelines on how long this could continue

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Speaker 10: for The US Department of Defense is actually now asking

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Speaker 10: Congress for two hundred billion dollars to fund the war,

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Speaker 10: and the Defense Secretary Pete Heagsith has gone from suggesting

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Speaker 10: that the war could last just four to six weeks

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Speaker 10: to say now that there's no definitive timeline. So it's

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Speaker 10: all very up in the air. And you know, we're

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Speaker 10: entering the fourth week of this war tomorrow, and it

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Speaker 10: feels like it is still escalating rather than winding down.

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Speaker 2: You're living Cutter, they've now attacked. Do you feel safe?

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Speaker 10: I actually do, to most people's surprise, I do feel

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Speaker 10: safe because almost all the missiles and drones are still

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Speaker 10: being intercepted, and civilian infrastructure still isn't being targeted that

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Speaker 10: we know of. It's definitely not a normal set of

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Speaker 10: circumstances to be living under by any means, But I

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Speaker 10: don't actually feel like there is an immediate threat to

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Speaker 10: my safety. What I am concerned about, though, is what

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Speaker 10: this is all going to look like going forward, if

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Speaker 10: this does escalate and desalination plants are targeted and hit,

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Speaker 10: or if this continues, you know, for months, six months on,

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Speaker 10: what life will actually look like here with all of

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Speaker 10: this volatility in the region.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for still being there and thank you

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Speaker 2: for doing such a good job in keeping us informed.

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Speaker 2: That is Courtney Hammond who's reporting straight out of Kuta,

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Speaker 2: after of course they got attacked and the LNG plant

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Speaker 2: got blown up. In twenty percent of lengiga capacity has

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Speaker 2: now gone for the globe. This is a big problem

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Speaker 2: in Pakistan, where a lot of their petrol, a lot

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Speaker 2: of their electricity is powered on by LNG plant. And

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Speaker 2: also it's a big thing for the government's plans to

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Speaker 2: build an LNG plant to safeguard our electricity. It looks

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Speaker 2: like the safeguard needs its own safeguarding. Now sixteen after

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Speaker 2: five news talks here big so on the fish, Reese

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Speaker 2: writes Andrew, they are already taking small fish and chucking

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Speaker 2: them back. Dead nets don't use hooks, Recreational fishes don't

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Speaker 2: have a clue, and conventionally forget quote. It's thank you

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Speaker 2: for your text, Reese, and Mike says, I think you'll

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Speaker 2: find mister Jones' claim to be looking outter his people

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Speaker 2: as a very long bow to draw in this issue.

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Speaker 2: A very few of his people work fishing vessels. You'll

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Speaker 2: find that there's significant number of Asian crew who crew

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Speaker 2: the fishing boats that depart and unload for the mong

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Speaker 2: and we wof across the water from his he heat property. Yes, Mike,

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Speaker 2: that is a good point. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: the companies that are doing the fishing and the commercial

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Speaker 2: fishes are all part of the quota system that we

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Speaker 2: actually that we organized a while back, so in a

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Speaker 2: way it is actually still helping his people, but there's

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Speaker 2: more than just one his people. Now, we've got a

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Speaker 2: new research out of the University of Auckland which has

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Speaker 2: found that pollution from cars is killing around the same

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Speaker 2: number of New Zealand of Aucklanders every year as smoking.

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Speaker 2: So apparently ninety percent of Aucklanders, according to this study,

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Speaker 2: are exposed to dangerous levels of air pollution, killing over

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Speaker 2: seven hundred people a year. University of Ukland Epidemiology and

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Speaker 2: Biostatistics lecturer and author of this report or co author,

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Speaker 2: doctor Jamie Hoskin, joins me right now, Jamie, welcome to

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 11: Sure, Andrew, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So when I was talking about this, a number of

871
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: texts came in straight away and said where did you

872
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: get the number seven hundred from? Did you just pull

873
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: that out from behind your ear?

874
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Speaker 5: No.

875
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 6: The way that we WIEP.

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Speaker 11: That out is pretty similar to how we work out

877
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 11: how many people die of smoking each year, and that's

878
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 11: basically you know, people don't go into hospital saying I've

879
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 11: got a smoking related problem. They come in because they've

880
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 11: got a harsh tackled they've got a stroke or something.

881
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 11: And it's the same with the air pollution. So what

882
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 11: we do is we look at the risk of health

883
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 11: problems and of dying. If you're exposed to smoking, you're

884
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 11: breeding in smoke compared to people who are not exposed

885
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 11: and not breathing in smoke, and the risk course is

886
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 11: low if people are not breathing it in. When we

887
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 11: take that risk, we can say, well, what would happen

888
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 11: if no one smoked? And that tells us and how

889
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 11: many few deaths would we have if no one smoked?

890
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 11: That tells us how many people are dying from smoking.

891
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 11: We can do exactly the same thing with the air pollution.

892
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 11: How many few are deaths that we have?

893
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: We assume seven hundred people a year. But the study

894
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: also the release say also says it's due to traffic pollution.

895
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: So how do we know it's from traffic pollution because

896
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Speaker 2: it could also be the port or it could be

897
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: general industry in the city, or is it in fact everything.

898
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Speaker 11: Yeah, there are a number of different sources of air pollution,

899
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Speaker 11: and yes, some comes from the port, quite a bit

900
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 11: comes from home heating. But we do know that most

901
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Speaker 11: of the air pollution, or at least the harm from

902
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Speaker 11: air pollution, is coming from traffic related to air pollution.

903
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Speaker 11: So that's things like essentially it's petrol and diesel being burned.

904
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Speaker 11: They create things like nitrogen dioxide, which is a gas.

905
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Speaker 11: It also creates fine particles. And those fine particles are

906
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Speaker 11: so small that we can't see them, but they're also

907
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 11: because they're so small, when we breed them in, they

908
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 11: get right down inside out to the innermost parts of

909
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 11: our lungs and they cause harm there.

910
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, look, I love drist across from the port,

911
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: and I can tell you that once a month my

912
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: car ends up black, and that's on the omissions that

913
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 2: are coming out from the boats that are coming into

914
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 2: the thing. So of course, if my car's going back,

915
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: I presume the lungs are going black as well. So

916
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: the question I have for you, what can what can

917
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: people do to minimize their risk?

918
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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, of course, I mean you live next to

919
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 11: the port. Most people don't live next to the port.

920
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Speaker 11: And in terms of what people can do, I mean,

921
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Speaker 11: this is not really something that individuals can solve. You

922
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 11: can't avoid breathing an air pollution. This is really something

923
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Speaker 11: that is going to be solved by councils, local government

924
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Speaker 11: and central government as well. So in this report we've

925
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 11: put out the most important things that can be done

926
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Speaker 11: so at a council level, such as for Auckland. That's

927
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Speaker 11: things like public transport to make it more convenient and

928
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Speaker 11: rapid and affordable, because that means that people can use

929
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Speaker 11: public transport, take fewer trips by driving. That cleans the air.

930
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Speaker 11: The same thing applies to getting people walking and cycling,

931
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Speaker 11: and also tools like congestion charging which also means is

932
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Speaker 11: traffic and clean it here.

933
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Speaker 2: All right, Doctor JB. Hosking, thank you so much. He

934
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Speaker 2: as a senior lecturer epidemiology and biostatistics at the University

935
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Speaker 2: of Auckland and co authored that and made made some assumptions.

936
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Speaker 2: It is five twenty three.

937
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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

938
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: it's Andrew dickens On Hither duplessy Ellen drive with one

939
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: new Zealand coverage like no one else use talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd b It is five twenty six, so I'll be

941
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: listening to Mike Hoskins's existential battle over the past couple

942
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: of weeks about him and his family buying an EV.

943
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: It's been very entertaining. This morning's development is that his

944
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: wife told him that she would rather walk than ride

945
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: it in an EV. But I'm not sure what sort

946
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: of distance we're talking about here. As the owner of

947
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: an EV in a petrol SUV, I can tell Mike

948
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: and Caate that it's just a car. An EV is

949
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: a car that goes from A to B. So when

950
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: I bought my EV two years ago, not trying to

951
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: save the world, I did the math and the EV

952
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: came up seventy percent lower in running costs, and I

953
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: bought an MG four, which is the twenty twenty four

954
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: car of the year. It's sporty, it goes like a

955
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: scolder cat. I charge it when I'm at the supermarket.

956
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: I charge it once a fortnight, a trundle around the

957
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: town smugly. I have never and would never say that

958
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: all of New Zealand should get one. By the way,

959
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: the wife is working in Rottalua this week. She's going

960
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: to take the petrol car because she doesn't want the

961
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: fact of finding a charger and the range anxiety. So

962
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: what we have done with an EV in a petrol

963
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: car is spread our risk. It's horses for courses. You

964
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 2: use the best horse for the course, so people go.

965
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: Whenever I say this, people tell me, yes, still ruining

966
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: the planet because of the cost of mining all those

967
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: rare earths. And that's true. I either wreck the environment

968
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: with a petrol car or I wreck an environment with

969
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: the EV. The advantage for me is that my EV

970
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: is cheaper, but I am no longer hostage to the

971
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 2: oil producers of the Middle East, at least with my car. Anyway,

972
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: we are all hostage to the oil producers of the

973
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: Middle East, which is why we're facing a global crisis.

974
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: The world is hostage to them. My only fear with

975
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: the evs and trying to get away from the Middle

976
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: East stranglehold is that we don't have enough electricity, which

977
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: is why whenever I hear that a hydro dam can't

978
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: go ahead because of some snails, I say, well, sorry, snails,

979
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: humans need energy. It's you or I Sorry, mate, you lose,

980
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: sorry snails, which is why at this juncture of history,

981
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 2: I say, let's spend as much as we can improving

982
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: and expanding our electricity production. It's renewable, but more importantly

983
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: we would own and control it. And the more of

984
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: it we have, the less the oil producers will hold

985
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: our lives and economy hostage.

986
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: Andrew Dickens.

987
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: So the sports huddle is on the way. Is this

988
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: our year for the Warriors? They're up against the Knights,

989
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: two teams that both are two and oh and so

990
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: by the way, there's been a poll about whether this

991
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: is our year. I tell you details about that. I'm

992
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: Andrew Dickinson for head WC. Allen, and this is the

993
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 2: U Stalk B.

994
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 4: You're in.

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00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

996
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's Andrew Dickens on

997
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: Hither Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand and the

998
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: power of satellite Mobile New Stalks b.

999
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: As I welcome to the program. I'm Andrew Dickinson for

1000
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: Heather drop Allen, who will be back on Monday. And no,

1001
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: I don't actually know where she's gone, but she's taking

1002
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: some time off and that's okay. And when I when

1003
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: I was doing my little ranch just beforehand, I knew

1004
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: this would happen. Takes three from a poker COWA farmer

1005
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 2: called s R. Says Andrew, when I heard you say

1006
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: wife just then you normally say partner. Is there something

1007
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: we have missed? Or was that a mistake?

1008
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 9: No?

1009
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: Is a pooker cowa farmer. Helen and I this year

1010
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: will celebrate our forty sixth anniversary together. We have two children,

1011
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: but we never ever got married because we spent the

1012
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: money actually buying a house so we could give the

1013
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 2: kids a home. And I've got so much arjibarji about

1014
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: this over the years. What are you? This degrades the

1015
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 2: institution of marriage. We've been together forty six years and

1016
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: I got sick of it. I got sick of saying

1017
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: partner gave we Oh who you whats a liberally?

1018
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 17: You eh?

1019
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: This is the destruction of New Zealand society forty six years.

1020
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: So I've for ease of comprehension. I say wife because

1021
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: she and I more than husband and wife. If you've

1022
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: been together forty six years, come on then come on then, idea,

1023
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: come on, take me on, come on forty six years.

1024
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: Love you, Helen.

1025
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 17: Now.

1026
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: Also another text throw from Dan and says, maybe I'm

1027
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: just a bit too glass half full. But with twenty

1028
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: percent of llen G gone over night after the strike

1029
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: and cutter, isn't there an opportunity for New Zealand to

1030
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: fill with our energy needs but also the potential global shortfall.

1031
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Look at the opportunity and drill baby drill, says Dan.

1032
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: Now here's the problem I have with drill, baby drill,

1033
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: and that in the one hundred years of drilling, not

1034
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: one bit of oil that we've extracted has ever been

1035
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 2: converted into petrol that could be used by a car.

1036
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: Our oil is too sweet. It's sent overseas to be

1037
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: used in something else. It's export money. We've never found

1038
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: the petrol for the cars and the diesel for the generators.

1039
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: We've never found that from drill, baby drill. But you know,

1040
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: if we cross all our fingers and all our toes,

1041
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: maybe at some time, really soon, hopefully we could find

1042
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: some oil or in this case, natural gas, and god

1043
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: knows who've been looking for that as well, that could

1044
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 2: suddenly solve all our problems. And that wouldn't that be amazing.

1045
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: But as soon as we find it. I would say

1046
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: the lag would be about ten to twenty, probably twenty

1047
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: years before we actually got a single drop or a

1048
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: single atom of guests out of the earth. Are we

1049
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: prepared to wait twenty years? Which is why what I

1050
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,479
Speaker 2: said before the break was instead of drill, baby drill,

1051
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: how about damn baby damn, and let's make as much

1052
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: interested as we.

1053
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Can the Friday Sports title with New Zealand Souberby's International Realty,

1054
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: a name you can trust locally and globally.

1055
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 19: We're not at that point, and I think that would

1056
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 19: be quite an extreme reaction. I think everyone is trying

1057
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 19: to figure out what's best for the game, and obviously

1058
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 19: it's at different stakeholders at the moment, and the players

1059
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 19: one's best for the game too.

1060
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 2: Well, it is cool, dan, isn't it?

1061
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 17: But it potentially could be a little bit wet, so

1062
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 17: it's probably not the best, the best not slippers.

1063
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's a good gesture, and yeah, it's been

1064
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: pretty funny.

1065
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 7: Really, it's like a publischeme for me to stay on and

1066
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 7: as a no brainer, really, I was excited to take

1067
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 7: stand and yeah, trying continue the what we're doing.

1068
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: Well, there's that voice from Scotland. We're going to be

1069
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: talking about that in a few monthers time in the

1070
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: sports huddle. And in the sports Huddle today we have

1071
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: Andrew Ordison, who you all know and love, and Nick

1072
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: Burley about christach Office, who you also know and love. Gentlemen,

1073
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: good afternoon to.

1074
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 17: You, greeting sellas Hi Andrew.

1075
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: All right, all right, before we get to the rugby,

1076
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: the big thing is Warriors nights, because this is two

1077
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: teams to and o and that's going to be amazing.

1078
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: Now there's been a poll on stuff and the question

1079
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: was is twenty twenty six the Warriors year? So yes

1080
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent, No, twenty two percent, it's too early

1081
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: to tell thirty six percent and it's always our year

1082
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: fourteen percent. So Andrew Ordison, what would you vote?

1083
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 17: Well, you've got to go always, always the idea tell

1084
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Speaker 17: you with the Warriors. I love this, this thread that

1085
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 17: that runs through and more often than ane, I think

1086
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 17: this time with what Andrew Webster has been able to

1087
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 17: do over a number of seasons, we've seen the consistency

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00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 17: with the Warriors. They might have dial back a touch

1089
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 17: maybe on flair, but they've backed up with that. Yeah,

1090
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 17: with the I guess the results in the backing from

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00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 17: you know, just putting together performances. And I've seen just

1092
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 17: doing some reaches that webs has the second highest percentage

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00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 17: rate the wins and the Warrior's coaching ranks next to

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00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 17: Daniel Andsen, who's on fifty five. We'ves to with fifty two.

1095
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 17: Ivan clearly forty nine. So he goes is an example

1096
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 17: of where he's taking the seam.

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Speaker 2: Don't you love statistics? But Andrew, who's going to win

1098
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: mate Warriors?

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00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 17: Well, I'm going to go to Warriors? Good Man a roll?

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00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's always our year and yes, And now here's

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00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: the thing. I just realized that if you take the

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00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: yes vote twenty seven percent and it's always our year

1103
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: vote fourteen percent, that makes forty one percent and that's

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00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: a clear majority. So it's going to happen. Nick Burley,

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00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 2: what would you vote?

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00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 15: Well, I'm probably a little bit more pessimistic because I've

1107
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 15: been broken more times than I can count on my

1108
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 15: hands when it comes to Warriors fandom over the last

1109
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 15: thirty odd years. Look thin, you wrap a little bit

1110
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 15: of context around and obviously we're only in the early stages.

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00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 15: Around three. You look at Penrith who have had two

1112
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 15: from two as well, and they've only conceded one try

1113
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 15: across one hundred and sixty minutes of football. But I

1114
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 15: do agree with orders. I think the way Andrew Webster

1115
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 15: has this team humming and particularly without a couple of

1116
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 15: their frontline players and Luke Metcalf and Mitch Barnett very

1117
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 15: encouraging signs. And then you look beyond that. I guess

1118
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 15: if we open that question up, is it the Warriors

1119
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 15: year even off the field, and when you look at

1120
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 15: its pathways, you look at the crowds, it's attracting. It's

1121
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 15: certainly going from strength to strength since that breakthrough season

1122
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 15: in twenty twenty three. So I think they're going to

1123
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 15: win the premiership this year. Probably not, But at the

1124
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 15: same time two I might go check my passport just

1125
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 15: in case they made the Grand Final, because I would

1126
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 15: not be missing that for how long high water.

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00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: Yes, he might want to talk to the bank manager

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00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: as well to afford the air fares to get there

1129
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: for the Grand Flannal, but that's another story entirely. Let's

1130
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: move on to rugby, and the big story out of

1131
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: rugby is not Chris clack Lee Law just about saying

1132
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: Chrys Slade ball there look at that. It's not Clark,

1133
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: but I will talk about Clark at the moment. It's

1134
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: actually that rugby clubs are waving junior fees and the

1135
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: question I have for you Andrew orterson is will this

1136
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: stop the rugby numbers declining which they have been.

1137
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 17: Well, they're claiming the numbers are up, aren't they incrementially

1138
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 17: from previous years. Look, I think it's a it's a

1139
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 17: noble gesture, certainly sign that the rugby is not complacent

1140
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 17: here against the competition that's there across what the sports.

1141
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 17: You think of the growth of football and basketball, et cetera.

1142
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 17: But I just don't know. I think a wider issue,

1143
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 17: you know, as a parent, you know, with concussion in

1144
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 17: the details and the analysis that we have on that

1145
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 17: now the research, I think they're up against wider factors.

1146
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 17: Albeit that's probably not going to be that much of

1147
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 17: effect kids level, But good on them for waving the

1148
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 17: fees and taking an initiative in that regard. So I think, yes,

1149
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 17: it's still some work to be done on that, but

1150
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 17: it's it's difficult for rugby to claim back that that territory.

1151
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: I think so and Nick, I presume you agree, but

1152
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: also I mean they've got so much competition from the

1153
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: other sports that have risen the basketballs of this world,

1154
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: et cetera. You know, so would this be enough to

1155
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 2: stop the losing of numbers at their yearly age then

1156
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 2: the grab hooking them in.

1157
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 15: I think we need to probably stop comparing perhaps what

1158
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 15: the numbers were like, say twenty odd years ago today

1159
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 15: when rugby had such a stronghold in terms of our

1160
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 15: culture and fabric. Yes, it is very much to our

1161
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 15: national sport, at least we like to claim that in

1162
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 15: terms of the following of all blacks and black fans

1163
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 15: and super Rugby. But there is so much more choice.

1164
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 15: And I agree with Orders as a parent of a

1165
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 15: couple of young boys and looking at all those options available,

1166
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 15: and then you consider that the weather element as well,

1167
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 15: and just being able to enjoy yourself indoors at a

1168
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 15: basketball venue and the like. There are so much more

1169
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 15: choices these days. As Orders says, it's a noble gesture,

1170
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 15: but it is worth pointing that that orangeed report around

1171
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 15: the numbers, this has been funneled down or basically it's

1172
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 15: interest built off that that Silver Lake deal, so that

1173
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 15: money for you know, mouthguards and uniforms for young boys

1174
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 15: and girls to play rugby. But that money still has

1175
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 15: to be found somewhere so that the clubs can only

1176
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 15: go so far. But any barrier that can be removed

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00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 15: for a child to play any sport or get out

1178
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 15: and about certainly a good.

1179
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: Thing well said. But harden up, Nick, I mean, there's

1180
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: only a little bit of rain and a little bit

1181
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: of mud.

1182
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 15: You just say, I'm down. I'm down here in christ

1183
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 15: and Andrew, you come tell me that after.

1184
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 2: I dress appropriately anywhere? Okay. And finally in our montage

1185
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: we heard the beautiful Scottish rogue of Clark laid Law,

1186
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: former sevens coach now of course coach of the Hurricanes,

1187
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 2: and it's been announced that New Zealand Rugby has kept

1188
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: his services. Good news, Andrew, Oh, I think so.

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Speaker 17: I mean the tug Lade Law it was had two

1190
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 17: seasons at the head of the Hurricanes. Therea's had been

1191
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 17: the playoffs twice and in the semi finals in twenty

1192
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 17: twenty four and they were top of the round robin.

1193
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 17: Then he's always seem like an appaple bloke, a lot

1194
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 17: of common sense and he's got this throrific record as

1195
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 17: well with the sevens, I mean with the silver from Tokyo,

1196
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 17: but also a couple of World Series titles of World Cup.

1197
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 17: He clearly knows how to motivate rugby players in various codes,

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00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 17: and I think that it makes a bit of sense

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00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 17: to persevere with them.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Nick Bailey would can it be one of them?

1201
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 15: I wouldn't say no, I'm sure. Look the one curious

1202
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 15: element for me, and I don't know if it was

1203
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 15: addressed when Clark fronted the media earlier in the week

1204
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 15: after this, you put pen to paper to an extra

1205
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 15: deal on the Canes deal. Given New Zealand Rugby's insistence

1206
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 15: I'm not hiring anyone for the all black head coach

1207
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 15: who doesn't have a New Zealand passport, where does that

1208
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 15: leave Clark laidlaw? If he goes on to win a

1209
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 15: Super Rugby title this year with the Hurricanes and he

1210
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 15: continues to present a compelling case, is he left on

1211
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 15: the alter because of where he's from or are we

1212
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 15: adopting him as a New Zealander now? And that'll be okay.

1213
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 15: Just go talk to mind then as we're discussing it.

1214
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: It's a very very good point, Nick, damn the rules,

1215
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: hate the rules. Always give them the way and I

1216
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: thank you. Nick Bewley and Andrew Ordison On the Sports Huddle,

1217
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 2: We're back in a few moments time with the surprising

1218
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: story about the possible cricket balls shortage with New Zealand's

1219
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: forthcoming series against in England.

1220
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand South of East International.

1221
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 4: Realty, the only truly global brand.

1222
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: All right, new sore b We're back with the Sports Huddle.

1223
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: On the Huddle today Andrew Ordison and Nick Bewley. So

1224
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: let's move on to cricket. We've got a double heather

1225
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: happening right now and the women have in fact won

1226
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: their match against South Africa. And now, of course after

1227
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: seven o'clock at Eden Park, we've got the men New

1228
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: Zealand versus the pro teers and my producer Andrew Ordison. Andy,

1229
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: you know, Andy Well says, who cares? This is just

1230
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: a couple of beat teams having a knock about.

1231
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 17: Well, it's really sorry. Look it's it's still isn't. I mean?

1232
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 17: Cheap by Jao with the World Cup. It's just just

1233
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 17: it seems, you know, jump back into this something just

1234
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 17: to get something into the summer domestic schedule. And yeah,

1235
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 17: the numbers are down, the quality of talent probably not

1236
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 17: there when you look particularly at this African team. And

1237
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 17: this is something that you know, is the problem with

1238
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 17: tricking alone with these global wi lack thereof of global windows,

1239
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 17: et cetera. And they were wanting to at least to

1240
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 17: have a breaker in their schedules. And this is probably

1241
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 17: a logical time for I mean, not all the New

1242
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 17: Zealanders there either. So yeah, it's a difficult one. Well,

1243
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 17: it needs solving at a wider.

1244
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: Level, doesn't No, no, no, no, We're building depth for the

1245
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: next World Cup, which is which is in where never,

1246
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: you know, and you've got to blood these guys in

1247
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: some way or another. But here's the thing. We've got

1248
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: our mojo back in game two. Are we going to

1249
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: carry on and win Game three at Eden? Pag Andrew?

1250
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 15: Look, it's yeah.

1251
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 17: I think they're every chance, I mean to get to

1252
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 17: a weekend for the African sidelight that I mean, at

1253
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 17: least there is some domestic international cricket out there, and

1254
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 17: hopefully they'll get a decent crowd along to see that.

1255
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 17: I know there's quite a few free tickets been given

1256
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 17: out to a club level to get along. I guess

1257
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 17: otherwise you'res that cabinet situation. But yeah, something he's in

1258
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 17: a well capable and you know, given you know, they

1259
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 17: still they do have a good depth of talent there

1260
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 17: and they're still to the talent on show.

1261
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: Okay, now, I'm sorry, Nick I handed it over to

1262
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: Ordison because he's a cricket tragic but what do you.

1263
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 15: Think to be totally honest and look, this is where

1264
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 15: the Black Cats being super accessible on Free to Live

1265
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 15: on TV, AND's head's outside of reading Andrew Ordison's superb

1266
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 15: cricket copy on you I have I have hand on heart,

1267
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 15: not watched a single delivery. It is just and that

1268
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 15: probably stresses the point that Andy McDonald's trying to make you, Andrew,

1269
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 15: I have better things to do with my hours outside

1270
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 15: of work then watch you know be Also Ram's play

1271
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 15: and that's probably a poor attitude to have and perhaps

1272
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 15: of Jason when Stanley's listening. I apologize, but it's just

1273
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 15: it's the real reality of the situation. At the moment,

1274
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 15: there is so much cricket. We've just come off the

1275
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 15: T twenty World Cup. Now we're trying to shoehorn a

1276
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 15: series in because we're always having to do something to

1277
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 15: appease that the big three in India, Australia and England.

1278
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 15: It's just a.

1279
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: Total okay, of course, at that's one. I'm going to

1280
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: stop you there right now and so and tell you

1281
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: that Jason Winstanley is not listening because I've just seen him.

1282
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: He's gone down to the pub, done the end of

1283
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 2: the lane. So you are safe. So here is the

1284
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: great story about crickets. Here is the great story about cricket.

1285
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: There may be a cricket ball shortage in England due

1286
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: to the Iran War, so English balls that they use

1287
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: English hides, but they're all sewed up in Pakistan by

1288
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: craftsmen or otherwise known as little kiddies child labor, who

1289
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 2: knows anyway, So because of the Pakistan thing in the

1290
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 2: around war, that's holding the supply of the dukes. So

1291
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: the interesting thing I find, Andrew, is that cuker Burroughs

1292
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: are made entirely in Melbourne. And so if there is

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Speaker 2: a shortage of the dukes in England, could we actually

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Speaker 2: use kooker Burroughs in England And would that be to

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Speaker 2: our advantage?

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Speaker 17: Discuss well, certainly to our advantage, we perhaps not to

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Speaker 17: the past bowlers so much, but New Zealand is using

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Speaker 17: them down in this part of the world. But yeah,

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Speaker 17: the Duke ball, I mean, I think this is a

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Speaker 17: fascinating yarn and it could take those across they reckon.

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Speaker 17: They've got enough already though, and they only need to

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Speaker 17: find what twelve plus a few more if they get

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Speaker 17: past the ad overs in any of the innings for

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Speaker 17: that three Test series. But just the fact that the

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Speaker 17: supply chain issue and you have them coming from South

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Speaker 17: Asia back to London, maybe they just need in this

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Speaker 17: instance to find people and it's a skilled job to

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Speaker 17: be able to sew four piece balls together in England,

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Speaker 17: then all your problems are solved, Jodio.

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Speaker 2: When we were discussing this, I said to Andy, well,

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Speaker 2: you it serves you right England for using the slave labor.

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Speaker 2: And then as he pointed out, they've been doing this

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Speaker 2: for a couple of hundred years, and I went, yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know about the history of

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Speaker 2: England in Southeast Asia about you know, yeah, they've been

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Speaker 2: using them for two hundred years. You're quite right, Andrew Orderson,

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Speaker 2: Nick Burley the sports Huddle. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: To the text ninety two to ninety two small charge

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Speaker 2: applies Mars a B team. You tell that to some

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Speaker 2: of the debutantes and the team that are wearing the

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Speaker 2: silver fern for the first time, and then there's about

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Speaker 2: nine question marks. See what it means to them. That's

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Speaker 2: an insulting statement. Some people actually believe I said it. No,

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Speaker 2: I was producer and he said it, and also Nick Burley,

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Speaker 2: me and Ortison thought, well, it's two well matched teams

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be a cracker match. Personally, I

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Speaker 2: cannot wait to leave this building and go home and

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Speaker 2: watch this game on the TV. So we better crack on.

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Speaker 10: Eh.

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Speaker 2: We've got news and supported a few moments, and then

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Speaker 2: we're talking beer at a Gisbone.

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Speaker 1: We're Business Meets Inside the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens

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01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: and Mass Insurance and Investments, Your futures in good hands, News.

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Speaker 4: Talks at be.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the program. It's Friday night, and so we

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Speaker 2: thought let's talk about beer. Producer Andy just punched the air.

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Speaker 2: Keen to get out of work. Hey, all right, new

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Speaker 2: pim us. Three Sisters Breweries has bought Sunshine Brewing. Now

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Speaker 2: Sunshime Brewing makes the iconic Gisborne Gold No, and affectionately

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Speaker 2: to one and all, there's gizzi goold. Now this move

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Speaker 2: saves Sunshine from closure. It's going to keep the tap

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Speaker 2: room in brewery operational in Gisborne. Meanwhile, Three Sisters keep

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Speaker 2: on brewing their brew in Taranaki. So Joe Emmons, as

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Speaker 2: the founder of Three Sisters Bury, joins me. Now get

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Speaker 2: afternoon to you.

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Speaker 6: Joe, Hey, how are you?

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Speaker 2: We're really good man. This is a big decision. How

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Speaker 2: big of a decision was it for you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely definitely a big decision. We had a

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Speaker 6: few options. We needed some more production and we recently

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 6: just had a successful crowdfund and raised a decent amount

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Speaker 6: of money and the intent of that was to expand

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Speaker 6: the production equipment in our new Plymouth brewery. And we

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Speaker 6: we've been having some discussions with Sunshine over the last

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Speaker 6: sort of you you also knowing that they were thinking

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Speaker 6: about exiting, and after some further discussion, it just it

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Speaker 6: made a lot of sense to just take over the

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Speaker 6: brewery as a whole, really and so the production straight away.

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Speaker 2: So the actual funding which was going to be used

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Speaker 2: to expand Taraki uprations is now being used to buy

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Speaker 2: Gisbone Sunshine Brewing.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's correct, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Is the loosening of alcohol laws making this an easier

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Speaker 2: decision for you because there's a future and beer?

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Speaker 6: You know, yeah, it's it's certainly, you know, as as

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Speaker 6: somebody operating in the industry, it definitely the was you know,

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Speaker 6: you're looking at all of the sort of regulatory landscape

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Speaker 6: and also the ever increasing excise taxes, and it does

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Speaker 6: wait in the back of your mind that the you

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01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 6: know that there seems to be a better policy around

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Speaker 6: making lives difficult for alcohol producers, and it's it's really

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Speaker 6: nice to see that that that that softening, and yeah,

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01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 6: that definitely reduces some anxiety for sure.

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Speaker 2: But there's also research out that shows the key weis

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Speaker 2: are drinking less booze. Does that mean does that mean

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Speaker 2: beer is threatened?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 6: it's people are always going to drink beer, and I

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Speaker 6: think people always going to drink gobles to some extent,

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Speaker 6: and there might be some changing trends, but I mean

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Speaker 6: there's always the market for beer is still pretty significant,

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Speaker 6: so even even if it shrinks a little, we hope

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Speaker 6: that people choose quality over quantity.

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Speaker 2: Really exactly, let's talk a little bit about logistics, because

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Speaker 2: you're in Tanta Lucky, and of course your other base

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Speaker 2: is right over the other side in Gisboom, and we've

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Speaker 2: got fuel prices going up, and you've got a big

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Speaker 2: area to cover and to marriage and two cities to

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Speaker 2: manage and all that. So is the logistics going to

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Speaker 2: be difficult?

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Speaker 6: It is a challenge. Yeah. I mean one thing, I

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01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 6: do have an electric car which is really cheap to run,

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 6: so that that definitely helps. But yeah, the cost of

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Speaker 6: flights at the moment are going through the roof, so

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Speaker 6: that's not that's not ideal, but yeah, it's just it's

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Speaker 6: just the logistics and planning looking forward ahead. You know,

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Speaker 6: if you if you book flights ahead of time and

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Speaker 6: I have a good routine going, it's definitely differently not cost effective.

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Speaker 2: But what about getting the beer out of Gisbourne. I mean,

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01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 2: because of course if your price is going up, that

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01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: means freak costs are going to go up. Or is

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Speaker 2: the main market for Guzzy Gold in Gisbone. If you

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Speaker 2: go to Gisbone, you drink Guzzi Gold.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's definitely a really good following for Guzzy Gold

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01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 6: and Gisbane, that's for sure. But actually, you know, it's

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Speaker 6: the same. I mean, it's the same for any brewery. Really,

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 6: it's it's made in one place and I do you know,

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Speaker 6: and drunk all around the country for a lot of brands,

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01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 6: And yeah, it's it's a it is a factor of

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01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 6: course that just keeps heading into the margins. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're hoping that everyone from you know, from the tip

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Speaker 6: of the North Island to the bottom South Island are

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Speaker 6: going to get into Guzzy Gold because I love I

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01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 6: love it. That's partly why I wanted to take over

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01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 6: the brand. A lot of people do too.

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Speaker 2: I loved it so much i bought the company. I've

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Speaker 2: heard that from a razor guy. But but here's the

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 2: thing now, it's just it's that time of the night

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: and people are starting to think beer will go down. Well, so,

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01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: so what are the characteristics of Guzzy Gold that you

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Speaker 2: like so much?

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01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 6: It's the drinkability, really, it's really it's it's beautifully clean. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's it's it's easy to have to have a to

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Speaker 6: have a few responsibly, and yeah, you go down very

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Speaker 6: easily and I could quite happily sit there and drink

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Speaker 6: one after the other tells me to stop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly right, Okay, Well, and it's a great

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01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: after surf beer because legend has it that surfers Jeff

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01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: Lumpy Logan and Jerry Maud came up with the idea

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01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 2: of it catching waves in nineteen eighty nine, and so

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Speaker 2: they made a post surfing beer You're a good surf

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Speaker 2: and Taranaki as well. I think the Taranaki people would

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Speaker 2: like a Gizzy Gold after a good surf back beach.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, we'll have we'll have some

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Speaker 6: Gizzy Gold in our new Plymouth tap room for sure.

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Speaker 6: It's also in our on our Wellington bar as well.

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Speaker 2: And as the beer that you make in Taranaki and

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Speaker 2: noticeably differ into the beer that you will now be

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Speaker 2: making in Gisborne.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there's there's some distinct differences in which we're

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Speaker 6: going to keep. So yeah, the Sunshine Brewery is very

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 6: sort of larger focus. They've got a number of products

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01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 6: that they tend to be on the sort of lighter,

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01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 6: larger side, and I think we'll sort of keep driving

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 6: the brand in that direction because that's what they're good at.

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 6: And you know, Three Sisters probably more known for doing

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 6: a bit more experimental types of brewing and more on

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 6: sort of ales and ip as and hazes perhaps, so we'll, yeah,

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01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 6: we'll keep the brand s distinct and keep them doing

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Speaker 6: what they're good at.

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Speaker 17: Well.

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Speaker 2: Joe Emans from Three Sisters Bury, I'd like to thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time today and cheers, cheers, Thanks, who

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Speaker 2: feels like a beer? Everybody here? It is thirteen minutes

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Speaker 2: after six. It's been a week of politics, chriskins of course,

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 2: the war and Christopher Luxon don't forget went to the Pacific.

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 2: So what has happened in that week? Thomas Cogun joining

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Speaker 2: us very shortly.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper see allan Drive full show podcast

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks ebby.

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Speaker 4: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Andrew Dickens on the Business Hour with mass Insurance

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01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: and investments, Your futures in good hands, News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Zibby seventeen minutes after six, and let's join Will be

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Speaker 2: joined by Thomas Coglin for the second time tonight to

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Speaker 2: talk about the week that was Tom Hello, Hello, all

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Speaker 2: right with Matt Dy. Christopher Luckson's trip to the Pacific.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, an interesting one. As you correctly say, Christopher

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Speaker 18: Luckson has been given that MATTI title. But obviously there

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Speaker 18: was a bit of sort of funny behind the scenes

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01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 18: wrangling going on there with the Simon Prime Minister telling

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Speaker 18: Simon Media it appears that that Christopher Lackson asked or

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01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 18: it was reported that he asked for that title, which

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Speaker 18: is obviously pretty embarrassing for Christopher lacks if that were

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01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 18: to be true, very embarrassing to to to to actually

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Speaker 18: ask for someone on government.

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Speaker 6: To give you this.

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 18: Now is as everyone will be aware subsequently that that

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01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 18: was proved not to be the case. Christopher Luckson didn't

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Speaker 18: actually ask for that title and it was sort of freely,

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01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 18: freely given and the Samoan government had to put out

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Speaker 18: a statement saying, look, you know that that that was

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Speaker 18: just incorrect and and basically to retract those comments. I

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Speaker 18: will effectively retract those comments. Now, there was a wee

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01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 18: bit of talk on the on the New Zealand side

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 18: we understand about whether or not we needed to. We

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Speaker 18: we still wanted to go through with that ceremony on

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Speaker 18: the New Zealand side because of the sort of thinking was, well,

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01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 18: look this, this sort of situation has caused us a

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Speaker 18: bit of embarrassment and and made us look a bit silly.

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01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 18: Should we really go through with it? They did, of

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 18: course go through with it. No hiccups hacups there really

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Speaker 18: apart from the fact that that that that deliberation leaked

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Speaker 18: down to the media as well. But but certainly quite

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01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 18: an odd and an odd way to be welcome to a

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Speaker 18: country with incident that thembarrasses you are we but yeah,

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Speaker 18: it's not really well no, it's not really monarchitanger, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. But the problem is that then reflected on the

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Speaker 2: media because everyone said, oh, there's the media raking up

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Speaker 2: some muck about Christopher Luckson. But you're saying that the

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Speaker 2: original source of the original story that Christopher Luckson asked

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Speaker 2: for them to actually came from the Simons was there was.

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Speaker 18: The Samoan governments quoted in the samo and in the

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Speaker 18: Samoan media. And I mean to be honest, if it

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Speaker 18: were me writing that story. I would have just checked

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Speaker 18: with Christopher Luckson's office to make sure that what I

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Speaker 18: was reading on the Saman media was correct. I think

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Speaker 18: I think the fact that that that that Christopher Luckson's

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 18: office clearly wasn't given enough time to respond to that

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Speaker 18: story in the SAMA, I think that's probably an era.

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 18: But we fear if you're in New Zealand media, it's

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01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,759
Speaker 18: very normal to quote foreign media talking about their own leaders.

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Speaker 18: I mean, at the moment, every New Zealand media website

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Speaker 18: is right and running. You know, Donald Trump told the

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01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 18: New York Times none of us really know whether he's

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 18: actually said it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, normally the news is now. You report the news

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: because that's what's been reported now and as you say,

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Speaker 2: from the Samoan government, from a samo And media source.

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Speaker 2: So you report that because that's what has happened. If

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01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: in the fullness of time it proves that that is false,

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you actually lied in any way, shape

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Speaker 2: or form. It just means that the story got fully

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Speaker 2: fleshed out. So yeah, funny old saying meanwhile, how was

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Speaker 2: the how was the Pacific? Because if this had happened

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01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 2: six months ago, we would have been talking about China's

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Speaker 2: inroads into the Pacific region. But this time though, we

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01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 2: were really all talking about the fuel crisis.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and those Pacific economies are quite vulnerable to the

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 18: fuel crisis. The cost of living is already pretty high

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Speaker 18: in the Pacific because they have to import even more

1535
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Speaker 18: stuff than we import, so they're very, very vulnerable to

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Speaker 18: those high fuel prices. So that that is something they did,

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Speaker 18: They did discuss over there, and actual, you're right about

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Speaker 18: the China situation. Juliet Abel our reporter on the ground.

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01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 18: You can read her stuff is still up on the Herald,

1540
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 18: her dispatches from that trip, and it is interesting that

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Speaker 18: there certainly is a very large Chinese presence in the

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 18: Pacific now. So that was that was certainly remarked upon.

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 18: But as you say, the Iran crisis has overshadowed everything,

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Speaker 18: and that really was front and center of the trip.

1545
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Speaker 2: We started with Jade Paul writing in a Facebook page

1546
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: some accusations and allegations about Chris Hipkins, and then there

1547
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 2: was a fall out for that. By the way, that

1548
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 2: post was taken down after an hour. However, the next

1549
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: day she was confirming that everything she said and that

1550
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 2: was true. What did you make of it.

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Speaker 18: Yes, it's a funny old one. So yes, she made

1552
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 18: those those allegations, and that hasn't provided evidence for those allegations.

1553
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 18: Chris Hippkins has denied those allegations. So so that's where

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Speaker 18: where the story of that is at. It'll be really

1555
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 18: interesting to see what the public decides. You know, this

1556
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 18: has really gone to that to the court of public opinion.

1557
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 18: Now there will be polls in the coming weeks, and

1558
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 18: and your guess is as good as mine as to

1559
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 18: whether the public will look at that and think, you

1560
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 18: know what, I don't like what I what I what

1561
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 18: I've read on social media, I don't like what I've seen,

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01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 18: So I think I might be looking changing my vite

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01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 18: or they'll decide. You know what, Chris Upkins, I actually

1564
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 18: trust your version of the story, and I'm sticking with There's.

1565
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: A perception that Chris has a truth crisis in a

1566
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 2: way because so many people believe that he misled people

1567
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:17,479
Speaker 2: over COVID. You know, so you know what I.

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Speaker 18: Mean, Well, yeah, I think that sort of factors into us.

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01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 18: Whether people's people's ability to or people's perception of whether

1570
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 18: they trust him will ultimately determine whether they whether or

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01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 18: not they trust him on this issue as well. You know,

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01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 18: some New Zealanders would equally say they did trust him

1573
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 18: during COVID, and those New Zealanders, one would imagine, would

1574
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 18: be likely to perhaps trust his version of events in

1575
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 18: this in this situation. So really it'll be I honestly,

1576
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 18: you don't have any idea about whether or not this

1577
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 18: will impact his chances and Labour's chances, because it's such

1578
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 18: an unusual It's really an unprecedented thing to have happened.

1579
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 18: So it will be really interesting as the nexcess the

1580
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 18: first few poles come out just to see what New

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01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 18: Zealanders make it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it will, and I thank you so much Thomas Coglin.

1583
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: And that is a very important point. No matter what

1584
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 2: has said on the radio, at the end of the day,

1585
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: you have your say because you have a vote, and

1586
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 2: whether it's a vote in an opinion poll which is

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01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: just a sort of an interim kind of vote, or

1588
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: whether it of course is the original the final vote

1589
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,879
Speaker 2: that happens November twenty six, you will make your decision

1590
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: on Christopher Hipkins there and you do not need people

1591
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: like me to tell you what to think. It is

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Speaker 2: six twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics. It's all

1594
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and Mas insurance

1595
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: and investments.

1596
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 4: Your futures in good hands, News talks heavy. There's no

1597
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,839
Speaker 4: business like show business.

1598
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 2: You love labor, all right our show business News Today

1599
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: at six twenty five is about pers Morgan, the interview

1600
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Speaker 2: host former editor of the News of the World. Peers

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01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: stormed off his own tele show during an interview with

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01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 2: Harrison Sullivan, known online as HS Tikie Talkie. Now he's

1603
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: the thing. Normally the interview, it doesn't storm off. It's

1604
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 2: the guys being interviewed. So what was this about? Harrison

1605
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 2: was being interviewed. By the way, Harrison is the abandoned

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01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: son of a former English rugby international t twenty three

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01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 2: years old. Harrison was being interviewed following his appearances in

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01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: Louis Therou's new documentary Inside the Manisphere. The documentary followed

1609
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 2: a number of social media influences like HS Tickie Talkie

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01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 2: who share some fairly extreme views.

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01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 14: Do your homophobic?

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 3: I'm not homophobic now I have a gay mate.

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01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 14: But you said that if you had a son and

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01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 14: he was gay discerned.

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 4: That's not Homophobert.

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: So there we go. That's the voice of a chess

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01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 2: tickie talking in. About fifteen minutes into the Peers Morgan interview,

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01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 2: Peers began to get all defensive when Harrison brought his

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01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: name up being mentioned in the Epstein files.

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01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 3: To Myron and all the others, your JOm comparing you

1621
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 3: to Epstein. Then because you're in.

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01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: His files, there we go. And Peers seem to keep

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01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 2: us call for a while until Harrison produced a picture

1624
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: of Pears's wife on the edge of a pool and

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01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 2: that brought some unwanted attention a few years ago. And snap,

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01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: Peers listen.

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01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 3: So I don't know why you come on and you

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01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 3: talk like your holier than now. As soon as you're

1629
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 3: all right, evations are open.

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01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 4: All right, let's cush your chain.

1631
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: Bo.

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01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 2: That'sh your girls cooked.

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Speaker 13: You know what.

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01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 14: I'm not doing this, sorry, guys, it's pointless.

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01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 2: There we go cooked an offee wing. Anyway. The documentary

1636
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: Into the Matosphere exposes the dark underbelly of so called

1637
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: alpha male content often consumed by teenage boys. Now I

1638
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 2: have watched that documentary this week, and at the same

1639
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: time I've also been watching the Netflix documentary series all

1640
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: about the Murdoch family, the dynasty there James Murdoch and

1641
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: that said, the measure of a great news service is

1642
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: its profit. In other words, we'll say anything as long

1643
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: as we're making money. If we're making money, will say anything,

1644
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 2: get it. HS Tiki Talkie says the same thing. I

1645
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: will say anything to get clicks so that I can

1646
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: sell those clicks on to make money. It's all about me.

1647
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 2: I don't care my effect on society is HS Tiki

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01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: talking so different from the Murdocks.

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01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:27,959
Speaker 1: Really, everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1650
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: Hour with Andrew Dickens and their's insurance and investments, your

1651
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: futures in good hands, used talks'd be?

1652
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: Is Harry's styles coming to New Zealand? Is this why

1653
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 2: we're playing it? No, we don't know yet. We do

1654
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: know this week Robbie William's coming to Eden Park, so

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01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Thank you so much for choosing

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01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: the program. I'm Andrew Dickens. Thank you for listening to

1657
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: us rather than watching the television news. But I have

1658
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: a text to who's been watching the television news for you?

1659
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 2: And my text says watching my favorite TV and sad

1660
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 2: news this evening, I would ask why the so called

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01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: journalists are not asking oil companies a real questions, which is,

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01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: why are the oil companies putting up the prices now

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01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 2: when we will likely be still be consuming shipments shipped

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Speaker 2: before all these problems that were bought, of course, at

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01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 2: a lower price. The textas says, prices should not be

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 2: put up opportunistically. Excuse me, I've lost my Prices should

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 2: not be put up opportunistically until they actually get into

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01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 2: use of the higher cost shipments. Oil companies need to

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01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: stop opportunistically putting up prices before this point and then

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01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: swallowing the margin. And that's a fair point, and I

1671
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 2: think we all feel the same about that, and they

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01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: argue about it, but remember, oil companies are not your friend.

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01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: Oil companies are They're a bit like the Murdocks. They

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01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: are a bit like HS tiki toki. All they care

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01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: about is the profit and they don't care how they

1676
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 2: get it. It was oil companies that own Marson Point

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01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 2: Refinery that closed it. If we wanted to keep Marson

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01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 2: Point Refinery then the government would have had to either

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01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 2: nationalize it or subsidize it. And the estimates for that

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01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: was anything between four and seven billion dollars. Do you

1681
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 2: think that would have been wise money to have spent

1682
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 2: when Shane Jones and win some Peters and even Nikola

1683
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,759
Speaker 2: Willis this week said that was economic vandalism by labor.

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01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 2: Were they saying we would spend four to seven billion

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Speaker 2: dollars to keep a kind of out of date refinery

1686
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 2: which was still dependent on imported oil in action? So

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01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 2: they never answered that, but they used it for political means.

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01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 2: But remember here's the thing. Oil companies are not your friend.

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01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 2: Soon as you learn that, the better, Andrew dickens and

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: it's time to go to Asia and join us. As

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Speaker 2: Peter Lewis, good evening to you.

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Speaker 14: Peter, Good evening, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: So Donald Trump has gotten told China, Japan and NATO

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01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,520
Speaker 2: that really they need to help securing the Strait of Hormuz.

1695
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 2: Now you are in Asia, and I'd like to ask you, honestly,

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Speaker 2: what is it for China to secure the Strait of

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01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 2: Hormuz since they're the only guys who are getting oil

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Speaker 2: through the straits?

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Speaker 14: Absolutely nothing is absolutely the right point, Andrew. I mean,

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Speaker 14: there is no way that China is going to come

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Speaker 14: to the rescue of the US, and we're going to

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01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 14: see Chinese warships helping the US secure vessels through the

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01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:35,599
Speaker 14: Straits of Hormus. This is the classic example which China

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01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 14: knows very well. Don't interrupt your enemy while they're making

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01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 14: a mistake. I mean, he Donald Trump has dug himself

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01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 14: here into an enormous hole, and China is certainly not

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01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 14: going to help help battle him out. And what we

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Speaker 14: are going to see is more of what we've seen,

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Speaker 14: for example, India do, which is negotiate deals with Iran

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Speaker 14: for their vessels to pass through the Strait of hor Moves.

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Speaker 14: And you have to remember they tend to hewe very

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Speaker 14: closely to the Iranian coastline as they go through that passageway.

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Speaker 14: And India has done a deal got some of its

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Speaker 14: vessels through other nations like China. Other countries out here

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Speaker 14: will also do the same. Now, one of the countries

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Speaker 14: that he has criticized well, I said, ought to be

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Speaker 14: providing help is Japan. And as it happens, Japanese Prime

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Speaker 14: Minister Sanae Takeiichi is in Washington, and we saw the

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Speaker 14: TV pictures yesterday of her sitting in that famous chair

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Speaker 14: to the right of Donald Trump, where extraordinary things tend

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Speaker 14: to get said to sitting presidents and prime ministers. Yesterday

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Speaker 14: was no exception, because, first of all, Donald Trump thanked

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Speaker 14: her for supporting the US in the war, and he

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Speaker 14: made a point once again of criticizing NATO allies who

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Speaker 14: hadn't well. Japanese Prime Minister Takichi has done no such thing.

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Speaker 14: She's made it very clear that while she has criticized

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Speaker 14: Iran for attacking its neighbors, she's been very careful about

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Speaker 14: steering clear of saying anything to support the war in Iran.

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Speaker 14: And she certainly hasn't sent any warships to the Strait

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Speaker 14: of Hormus and has no intention of doing so because

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Speaker 14: of Japan's pacifist constitution, which strictly prevents Japan's sending military

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Speaker 14: assets to war zones. Now, I don't know if John

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Speaker 14: Trump realizes that that constitution was written by America after

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Speaker 14: the Second World War. But then if that wasn't enough,

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Speaker 14: he said what I think must be one of the

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Speaker 14: most extraordinary things he's ever said to a sitting prime

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Speaker 14: minister or presidents, out of a whole litany of extraordinary things.

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Speaker 14: A reporter asked President Trump why he didn't inform allies

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Speaker 14: in New York and Asia before the attack on Iran.

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Speaker 14: God Donald Trump responded, we wanted surprise, and then he

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Speaker 14: turned to Takeiichi and says, who knows better about surprise

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Speaker 14: than Japan? Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?

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Speaker 14: He said, you believe in surprise, I think much more

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Speaker 14: so than us. It's hard to imagine a more extraordinary

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Speaker 14: thing that could be said to a sitting Japanese Prime

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Speaker 14: minister than raising in front of her and in front

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Speaker 14: of the world's.

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Speaker 4: Press Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 14: But there we go. This seems to be the way

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Speaker 14: of the White House these days.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Trump apologists, many of whom have actually takes

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Speaker 2: to me see, Well, people just don't understand Donald's sense

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Speaker 2: of humor. He was going for a laugh and he

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Speaker 2: wasn't mean to insult. But at the same time, it

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Speaker 2: was a fairly formed thing to say. And I do

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Speaker 2: agree with that. What are by the way Asian country

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Speaker 2: is doing to save fuel? Because this is a question

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Speaker 2: that the entire world is asking, So what are the

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Speaker 2: Asians up to?

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Speaker 14: Well, this is a very big issue for Asian countries

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Speaker 14: because a lot of their oil and energy does come

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Speaker 14: through the Strait of hormus, and what they absolutely want

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Speaker 14: to avoid at all costs is this energy crisis turning

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Speaker 14: into a general inflationary surge which drives up prices across

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Speaker 14: a whole range of goods and services and ends up

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Speaker 14: derailing Asian countries, forcing central banks out here in the

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Speaker 14: region to have to raise interest rates, derailing the economies

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Speaker 14: of those countries. So there's a whole range of things

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Speaker 14: going on at the moment. So in Philippines and Thailand,

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Speaker 14: government offices have been closed, staff have been told that

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Speaker 14: they have to work from home at least one day

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Speaker 14: a week. In Sri Lanka they've declared every Wednesday now

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Speaker 14: a public holiday try and conserve fuel, and motorsts there

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Speaker 14: now require to register for a national fuel pass, which

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Speaker 14: rations the amount of fuel that people can buy. In

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Speaker 14: some countries like Japan and South Korea, they're introducing sort

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Speaker 14: of fuel subsidies to try and refund to consumers and

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Speaker 14: motorists some of the costs of these rising fuel prices.

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Speaker 14: And as you mentioned just before this segment, oil companies

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Speaker 14: are pointing up prices very very quickly, and you know,

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Speaker 14: they're still securing oil from before the crisis actually started.

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Speaker 14: But Asian governments really do need to take urgent measures

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Speaker 14: because there is big risks to their economies from this

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Speaker 14: good stuff.

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Speaker 2: And I thank you so much. Peter lewis out of Asia.

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Speaker 2: It is now sixteen minutes to seven. Colin sent mea

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Speaker 2: tick saying, Andrew, the reason why the prices of fuel

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Speaker 2: have gone up straight away has been answered by a

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Speaker 2: number of times by industry executives on Zibbie shows over

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Speaker 2: the last week. Their explanations have been very credible and

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Speaker 2: explained the reason why. Your answer, I didn't give an answer,

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Speaker 2: but I gave a feeling your answer is only spreading falsehoods.

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Speaker 2: Please share the exact reason wellcame. I'm perfectly aware of

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Speaker 2: the exact reason, and that's because oil companies charge the

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Speaker 2: price of stock replacement, not the previous purchase price. But

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that we can't feel that we're being

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Speaker 2: ripped off about it. And if the oil company really

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Speaker 2: cared a little bit, they might have a head on margins,

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Speaker 2: because I don't think I don't know if you've noticed,

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Speaker 2: they make an awful lot of money over the little bit,

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Speaker 2: and they would like may have the loyalty of the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand customers. So I do understand it. But what

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Speaker 2: I actually said is we all feel the same. We

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Speaker 2: all feel that they're enjoying a little bit of profiteering

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Speaker 2: at the time, you know which they will use that

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Speaker 2: money to buy the extra stocks that are coming in

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Speaker 2: the replacement stock. I get that, but you know but

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Speaker 2: I thank you. Now still to come on the program.

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Speaker 2: We've got Gavin Gray gave and Gray out of the

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Speaker 2: UK and talking about Europe. And there's a Feather in

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Speaker 2: France who's standing for public office, who has the most

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Speaker 2: unfortunate name that stories on the way.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and Mass Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: your futures in good hands, the News Talks.

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Speaker 4: It'd be right.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK and Europe and it's Kevin Craig.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, a good even good Hello. Sorry I do

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Speaker 2: too many shows over too many time zones, but there

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Speaker 2: we go. All right, okay, okay, okay, thankfully we're not

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Speaker 2: really going to talk about the war in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk with three different topics about that.

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Speaker 2: So first up, Greenland, what have Danish soldiers been doing

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Speaker 2: in Greenland.

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Speaker 9: Well, preparing to blow up key airport runways over fears

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Speaker 9: that the US President Donald Trump could invade the Arctic island.

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Speaker 9: This according to the public broadcaster in Denmark, which also

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Speaker 9: cites senior sources within Danish military and the government, and

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Speaker 9: a line others European allies too, and even the Financial

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Speaker 9: Times newspaper here saying two European officials later confirmed the report.

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Speaker 9: So this of course came if you remember, after Donald

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Speaker 9: Trump said I want Greenland, I'm going to take it.

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Speaker 9: He didn't rule out taking it by force. This Arctic

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Speaker 9: island huge, huge island, part of the Kingdom of Denmark,

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Speaker 9: but semi self autonomous really, and Donald Trump focused his

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Speaker 9: eyes on it, saying it was strategically important. There was

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Speaker 9: also extensive is also extensive oil and believe to be

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Speaker 9: gas around the island as well, and it led to

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Speaker 9: a bit of a standoff, particularly after he took Venezuela

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Speaker 9: on the third of January, and that was when it

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Speaker 9: was reported that he felt he could walk on water,

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Speaker 9: according to one official, and seriously thought that a couple

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Speaker 9: of months after that he would come and take Greenland

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Speaker 9: as well, because at one point he actually said, we'll

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Speaker 9: worry about Greenland in about two months, having taken Venezuela.

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Speaker 9: So the daily were preparing for this, and it appears

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Speaker 9: we're going to fight for Greenland or even though US

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Speaker 9: and Denmark all part of NATO, the issue of Greenland

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Speaker 9: has been hugely divisive for Washington and European allies, and

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Speaker 9: it looks like they were preparing to do this. So

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Speaker 9: some small contingent of Danish, French, German, Norwegian Swedish soldiers

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Speaker 9: flew to Greenland. They were doing a military exercise. But

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Speaker 9: in amongst that, elite Danish soldiers and a French continuant

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Speaker 9: strained for warfare in cold mountainous areas, ready to defend

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Speaker 9: and if they thought things were going to be good.

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Speaker 9: Note they never thought they were going to be able

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Speaker 9: to repel the US, but they wanted to show that

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Speaker 9: this was a takeover and had even ordered blood supplies

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Speaker 9: in order to treat the wounded in the event of fighting.

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Speaker 2: All Right, to London we go, where we've got two

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Speaker 2: Iranian men in court. What's it about?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and this I think is a sign of growing

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Speaker 9: concern over the reach of Iran into domestic affairs. The

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Speaker 9: two aged forty and twenty two have both been charged

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Speaker 9: and engaging in conduct likely to assist a foreign intelligence service.

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Speaker 9: So they've been arrested under the new National Security Act,

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Speaker 9: and they were accused of conducting hostile surveillance of Jewish

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Speaker 9: targets in London. On behalf of theis the Iranian Intelligence Service.

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Speaker 9: So what the persecution is saying is that they were

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Speaker 9: basically staking out targets including Britain's oldest synagogue, a Jewish

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Speaker 9: community center at campus with a school, an organization giving

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Speaker 9: security advice to Jewish community, and the Israeli Embassy and consulate.

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Speaker 9: And they were also said to be carrying out reconnaissance

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Speaker 9: on one particular woman who was living in Essex in

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Speaker 9: southeast England at the time. Now they were arrested thirteen

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Speaker 9: days ago. The reconnaissances cent to have taken place July

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Speaker 9: and August last year and also February last month this year,

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Speaker 9: as it were, and they appeared in the dock and

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Speaker 9: they're going to be reappearing now at the Old Bailey

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Speaker 9: in mid April on his British Iranian national the other

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Speaker 9: is an Iranian mat yikes.

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Speaker 2: Now we're going to a little town in France and

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Speaker 2: they're having an election, and unfortunately the candidates have a

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Speaker 2: selection of quite unfortunate and interesting names.

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Speaker 9: Yes, which has led to a massive, massive meltdown on

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Speaker 9: the internet. So this little village has only got a

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Speaker 9: population of twenty seven hundred and eighty five. The mayor

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Speaker 9: who is seeking reelection is called Charles Hitler, Yes Hitler,

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Speaker 9: but with a double t. He is the mayor. He's

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Speaker 9: restanding for election, but one of his opponents to restand

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Speaker 9: in election is none other than a man called Zelenski. Yes,

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Speaker 9: you got it, the same as the Ukrainian Prime minister.

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Speaker 9: He said, things have gone mad and basically the fight,

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Speaker 9: as it were between the two has led to some

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01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 9: great memes on social media and so forth. But he said,

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Speaker 9: you know it is I've always seeing it as an

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Speaker 9: occasional joke made about my name. He says, people draw

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Speaker 9: mustaches on election posters. It's never a big deal. But

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Speaker 9: now he said, I'm up against a a Zelenski. He said,

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Speaker 9: my wife has been in tears with all the attention.

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Speaker 2: Of course, well, welcome to the age of the Internet.

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Speaker 2: And I thank you. There's Kevin Gray out of the UK.

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Speaker 2: When you share a name with you know famous people.

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Speaker 2: It's always unfortunate. Of course, my name is Dickens. And

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Speaker 2: if I had, if I had a dollar for every

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Speaker 2: time somebody said are you related to Charles Dickens, I'd

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Speaker 2: say I'd be a very rich man. But my answer

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Speaker 2: is always I am not related to Charles Dickenson. Even

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Speaker 2: if I were, I'm not related close enough to get

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Speaker 2: any money. So what's the point. But there we go,

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Speaker 2: Dickens Asen Charles. That's me, not Dixon, not Dickinson. Dickens

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Speaker 2: Esen Charles seven to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto per See allan drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talk Zibby.

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Speaker 2: Enjoying all the texts and a lot of them, asking

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Speaker 2: what do you agree with regime change? Of course I do.

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Speaker 2: The regime in the RUMs horrific. Everybody wants regime change.

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Speaker 2: Do I think this action will cause that? No, I don't. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think it's just going to harden their will and

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Speaker 2: make us hate us more. Somebody says, but you agree

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Speaker 2: that it's illegal. Of course it's illegal. I know it's illegal.

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Speaker 2: But calling something illegal never stops it before it starts.

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Speaker 2: You do that after it's finished, and you find out

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Speaker 2: who's to blame. So yeah, I agree with regime change,

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Speaker 2: but this ain't going to happen. There's my view. I'm

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Speaker 2: on on Sunday. Meanwhile, producer Andy, who's not a fan

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Speaker 2: of the B side New Zealand cricket side, I am.

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Speaker 9: A fan of beer and I look forward to that

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Speaker 9: as well, that we should have What are you going

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Speaker 9: to a show with that?

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Speaker 15: Anyway?

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Speaker 2: You know who would have been fifty today?

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Speaker 13: No, it's quite fitting Chester Bennington and we've played a

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Speaker 13: lot of win Can Park this week, but we're going

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Speaker 13: to play a bit more because.

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Speaker 2: So they played twelve seven hundred people Spark Arena.

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Speaker 4: I was one of them.

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Speaker 2: No Chester, but they've got a woman singing his parts

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Speaker 2: now right, Yep, it's very good. Oh well there, it

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Speaker 2: was quite an interesting game. Crank it up. Let us back,

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Speaker 2: as I say, Monday, I'm back on Sunday.

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