1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: On the huddle this evening got Morris Williams and Auckland 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: councilor obviously former National Party member and Craig Ready of 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: the c to you chief economists there. 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: Hello, let's hi Treva. Sorry, that good to have you back. 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: Hold on, did you just call me triva? 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: I did correct myself. I corrected my I was just 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: picking up the phone because I hadn't had it up 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: my ear. 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: Is it because it rhymes with hither or. 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: It probably was. I did not think of you in 11 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: any way as a Triva. 12 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: We're going to write that one on the list of. 13 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: Names and you can probably get the chromosome tests prove it. 14 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Do you know what today I'll identify as triva for 15 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: the for the Craig. Craig, you you're bracing yourself for 16 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: a snap election. 17 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: You're getting ready? 18 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm not. I'm not putting much faith in there 19 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 4: being a snap election. 20 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: Obviously. 21 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 4: I think everybody, you know, all political parties will want 22 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: to be ready. But I think a lot of that 23 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 4: is sort of very loose talk. Governments tend to stick 24 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: together much more than they tend to fall apart, So 25 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 4: I'm not I don't think it's likely that to happen 26 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 4: to me. 27 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: You know you want to give you mate Kieran at 28 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: the Labor Party call and tell him to settle down. 29 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: Oh. 30 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 4: I think he's just pointing out that the party is 31 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 4: ready for an election if there is going to be one. 32 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 4: I think if Winston Peters wants to call an election 33 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 4: and you make this a one term government, then fantastic. 34 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 4: But in terms of you know whether or not there 35 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: will be an election, I really don't think so. 36 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: I don't think so, Morris. Why are they doing this? 37 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, why on earth are the likes of the 38 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: Labor Party in New Zealand first as well talking this 39 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: kind of nonsense up. 40 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's ridiculous. I mean that there's two points that 41 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: need to be made. First of all, they've got a 42 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: lot of penance to do before they can come back 43 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: into the political landscape and not be embarrassed about the 44 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: money they spent and the little they got for it 45 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: in the economics times they've put us through and everyone 46 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: knows what happened with six years of Grant Robinson's way 47 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: over spending, way under delivering and so on. So it'll 48 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: take a while for Labor to come back from the 49 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: wilderness it always does. It happened to us when we 50 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: got sent to the wilderness. It's very unlikely to ever 51 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: come back after one term. But the second problem they've got, 52 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: and it's serious. I don't know how they'll ever go 53 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: to an election campaign when the only people they can 54 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: rely on to get them back into government are the 55 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: other than whack jobs Greens and even bigger whack jobs 56 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: to party Mari. 57 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: Actually, that's a fair point that you make, Marris. 58 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: Have you been following this business that's party Marty saying 59 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: that they want to have Mary get to pinch in 60 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: ten years earlier. 61 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Well, there's a good question there. What's Mari. Well, if 62 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: you are like if you are like David Seymour, and 63 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: you're one thirty second or one sixty fourth, you take 64 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: once do you take one sixty fourth of ten years 65 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: and you get it only three months early, and so 66 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: that a full Mariy gets the whole ten years and 67 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: a half gets five years. Then it gets really crazy 68 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: because you can be a mari if you identify as one, 69 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: are you going to give that person some special dealage? 70 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 3: It's your self in trouble if you talk like this, Morris. 71 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but no it's a question that would have 72 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: to be fronted if you were going to do that policy. 73 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: But what is Yeah, but what what about the politics 74 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: of the situation? Right, Because we talked about this yesterday, 75 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: here's Labour sort of entertaining the idea briefly and then 76 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: shooting it down today. Second that don't you just need 77 00:02:59,919 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: to if you'll Labor go into the default position of 78 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: gently shooting down everything that comes out of those people's brains. 79 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: Anything that comes out of there in that scope, you 80 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: just say this is just nuts, just simply nuts, because 81 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: the public wouldn't have a bar of it. You would 82 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: have absolute political rights. But I'm really hot to trot 83 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: on that point about what is a maori? There are 84 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: some people that maybe fifty percent. I'm told there is 85 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: no pure mari anymore. But there are people who have 86 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: got one sixty fourth in their ancestry back five grandparents ago. 87 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 2: Do they get the whole lot or do they get 88 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: one sixty fourth? 89 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: I still identify it Scottish and I don't know how 90 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: diluted it is. 91 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: So you know, I want to claim from the Highlands, then. 92 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: Hey, tell me something. 93 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: Craig Rea Sam and Brown, do you think he's going 94 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: a little bit hard on the senior doctors. 95 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: This is the retrick a little high. 96 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 4: I think he needs to turn the temperature down enormously 97 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: on this, you know, sort of. There's a reason why 98 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: doctors are on strike. There's you know that there's there's 99 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 4: more than a thousand doctors short, senior doctors short across 100 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: the country. He's complaining about four thousand appointments being lost. 101 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 4: We lose more than that a week as a consequence 102 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: of not having the number of doctors that we need 103 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: in the country. You know, they're looking for they're looking 104 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 4: to just make sure their pay catches up with junior doctors, 105 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: because if you make the decision to become a senior 106 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: doctor right now, you'll actually lose money going from it, 107 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: going from being a junior doctor to a senior doctor, 108 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: because they've lost that progressivity. So, you know, really we 109 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: need to be looking at the three hundred and eighty 110 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 4: million dollars we're spending on locoms and temporary doctors right 111 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 4: now if we want, you know, if we want to 112 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 4: make savings in the health service, and we need to 113 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: make more than a billion dollars of savings in the 114 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 4: health service. 115 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: According to TIFATA, Aura. 116 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 4: So I think if he wants to get to the solution, 117 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 4: if he wants junior doctors, I say, senior doctors to 118 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: come to the table. You know that that involves a 119 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: respectful conversation. 120 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. 121 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 4: In the trade in treatment we talk about good faith, 122 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: and he's not really demonstrating good faith right now with 123 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 4: the words that he's using. 124 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: It will come as no surprise that I think the 125 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: complete opposite of that. I think his job is to 126 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: get out some absolute facts. For example, last year they 127 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: got an eight percent rise. They're now asking for a 128 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: twelve percent rise. Hands up those across New Zealand who 129 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: thinks twelve percents are realistic? 130 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 4: Rise that Morris Morris Morris. Then then let's talk about 131 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 4: some absolute facts. He said, the average pay of a 132 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 4: doctor is three hundred and fifty thousand. The top of 133 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: scale for a senior doctor is two hundred and seventy thousand. 134 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 6: Okay, so let's go through what he actually did. What 135 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 6: was the total package? No, no, sorry, can't get away 136 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 6: with that, Craig. He said, the total package when you 137 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 6: add all the elements together. So this is overtime, So 138 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 6: there's a whole lot of elements for the paage. 139 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 4: It's overtime. So because we're so short of senior doctors, 140 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 4: you're saying to me that they shouldn't be paid over 141 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: time appointments. 142 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: The expect that we can't you're calling for can't respects. 143 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: The other thing is there are more your doctors employed 144 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: now and there were when National came to power. There 145 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: are more senior doctors employed now than there was. 146 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: And they're still aren't enough. So what's your point here 147 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: that My point is do you want to. 148 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: Spend a few appointments? Okay? My point is do you 149 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: want to spend twelve percent on giving people up an 150 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: unrealistic pay rise or do you want that twelve percent 151 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: to go to employing twelve percent more doctors. 152 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: You're not going to get more doctors Morris though. 153 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: You're not going to attract them to overseas if you 154 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: give them crap pay and they can get more paid 155 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: for yourself. 156 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: Well, but it's not crap I'm sorry, Hither, it's not 157 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: crap pay. 158 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: It might not be Look, it might not be crap 159 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: pay when you compare it to a KFC worker, but 160 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: if you compare it to another senior doctor over in 161 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: New South Wales's crap pay. 162 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 2: Well, actually, you're also missing the next point. A number 163 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: of the senior doctors, and I know some of them 164 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: very well, also do a huge amount of stuff in 165 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: the private sector to supplement that and are earning five hundred, 166 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: six hundred and up to a million dollars of income. 167 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry, but I don't think the vast bulk 168 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: of the public out they have a great deal of sympathy. 169 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 4: In a moment, I'm going to fundamentally disagree with you there, 170 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 4: Mar I think people have a great deal of sympathy 171 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 4: for senior doctors. And you're absolutely right. If you're a 172 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: senior doctor in New Zealand and you're looking at, you know, 173 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: the pay that you could receive in New South Wales, 174 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: which is by the way, the worst paid sector in Australia, 175 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 4: then it's well above that which is available in New Zealand. 176 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 3: All right, we think. 177 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 4: Simeon Brown needs to turn the temperature down on this 178 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: to make sure actually he's talking to doctors rather than 179 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 4: shouting at. 180 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: We'll leave it there, come back and just to take. 181 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 5: The huddle with New Zealand. Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary 182 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 5: results with unparallel. 183 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: Reach Stein away from Sex, Morris Williams and Craig Greennie 184 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: on the huddle. 185 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 3: That's Morris. 186 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: I see you got Laura, the producer came in and 187 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: she gave me a graph of annual CO two emissions 188 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: that you want me to see? 189 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: Who hung up? Who's there? 190 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm here. 191 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: Oh, Craig, you're still there? Okay, Morris. Morris has sent 192 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: me a graph and. 193 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Then he's disappeared, so anywhere now I'm gonna ben it. 194 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: I think you're trying to make the point that we don't. 195 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: Actually it's back. 196 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: No, something came off here for me, Oh did it? 197 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 198 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: Well, what I was going to make the point is that, yes, 199 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: I want us to do but we can with our 200 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: emissions to reduce them. But I don't want to die 201 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: on the altar of purity and say we're going to 202 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: get rid of agriculture and we're going to get rid 203 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: of this like the Greens are advocating. The reason I've 204 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: given you that graph is that New Zealand CO two 205 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: missions don't even register off the X axis. You can't 206 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: even see. And you look at China's growth in any 207 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: one year, it's way bigger than our total, and so 208 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: we could end up being the purest country in the 209 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: world doing. 210 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Everything we as well. 211 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: It's China and India and South if you look at 212 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: Brazil and the rest of South America. So this idea 213 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: that well, I've heard the Greens at the last election campaign. 214 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: If you vote for us, we can fix climate change. 215 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: Our contribution to climate change is point one seven of 216 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 2: eight percent, and so we should do I'm not saying 217 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: we shouldn't do a bit. We should do whatever we can, 218 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: but within reason, not with not the extreme of lunacy. 219 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, Craig, I wonder if Morris is 220 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: struck on something here, which is I wonder if part 221 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: of the epathy that we're registering in their IPSOS poll 222 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: about climate change is simply the fact that New Zealanders 223 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: are starting to realize that we actually have no impact 224 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: on the world's climate in this country. 225 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: Oh well we do quick clearly well in terms of 226 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: New Zealanders are one of the highest per capita emitters 227 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: of carbon anywhere in the world, and. 228 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: Million of us. 229 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: Well, it's still really important and if all of us, 230 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 4: if everyone in the world was to behave like that, 231 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 4: climate change would be out of control and then but 232 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 4: they're not because we've got the Paris Avidmits and other 233 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: countries are working. America, yes, but that's not a reason 234 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: for New Zealand to not deliver its part in delivering 235 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: climate change. And as a consequence, we need to be 236 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 4: doing that because if we don't, then we are guaranteeing 237 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 4: and kneeling on climate change for our children in the future. 238 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: The difference between us is how much I'm a fan 239 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: of doing what would work. If we can do things 240 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: to stop our cows belching and farting and so on, 241 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: I think that's great, all of those things. When we 242 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 2: want to say let's get rid of agriculture and get 243 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 2: rid of our transport sector, we go too far. 244 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, too right, guys, listen, thank you so much. 245 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: We'll have to leave it there, and Morris Williams and 246 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Craig Rennie our huddle this evening. Happy Easter to you both. 247 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 5: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 248 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 5: News Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 249 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 5: the podcast on iHeartRadio.