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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from News talks ed by doing up the House's warning

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Speaker 1: the garden asked Pete for ahead. The Resident Builder with

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Speaker 1: Peter wolf Camp call eight hundred eighty us talks edby.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzor even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when a dog

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Speaker 2: is too old to.

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Speaker 3: Borrow, and when you're sitting at the table trying.

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Speaker 2: Not to stop ause sissor home, even when we are

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Speaker 2: band ball, even when you're there.

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Speaker 3: Houses a home, even.

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Speaker 4: When there's gohost, even when you go around from the

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Speaker 4: one you love your most, screams, broken pants appearing in

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Speaker 4: front the word.

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Speaker 5: Locals.

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Speaker 2: We's ball when they're going leaving the house, even when

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Speaker 6: Yea, and a very very good morning and a very

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Speaker 6: warm welcome to you all this morning to the Resident Builder.

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Speaker 6: On Sunday, you're with me Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,

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Speaker 6: and we are going to talk all things building and construction.

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Speaker 6: That's the putting together part, the pulling apart part, the

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Speaker 6: which bits do you need to either do either of

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Speaker 6: those two tasks? Who do you need to talk to

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Speaker 6: What rules do you need to here too while you're

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Speaker 6: undertaking these these activities, And can I say as well

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Speaker 6: at the very get go a very happy Father's Day

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Speaker 6: to those of you who happen to be in that category.

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Speaker 6: And we might talk about that a little bit later

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Speaker 6: on as well in the show Ridio, let's get into it. Oh,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The text is up and

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Speaker 6: running as well. That's nine to nine two from your

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Speaker 6: mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me an email,

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Speaker 6: you're more than welcome. It's Pete at NEWSTALKSEB dot co

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Speaker 6: dot nz. So Pete p et at Newstalk SB dot

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Speaker 6: co dot nz. A couple of things coming up on

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Speaker 6: the show this morning. I promised to have a bit

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Speaker 6: of a rant last week and I didn't because it

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Speaker 6: got really busy. I promise you i'll have that rant.

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Speaker 6: This is This is about a tool that I saw

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Speaker 6: advertised over the last couple of weeks which claims to

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Speaker 6: solve a problem three thousand years in the making. I

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Speaker 6: have some rather strong opinions on this and I will

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Speaker 6: share those with you a little bit later on. Also

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Speaker 6: on the program, we have our painting expert, one of

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Speaker 6: two painting experts from Razine. He'll be joining us at

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Speaker 6: around seven twenty five this morning. J Razine will be along.

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Speaker 6: So if you've got any specific painting questions, just text

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Speaker 6: those through. That's nine two nine to two and we

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Speaker 6: can put those to Jay. I suggested to him that

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Speaker 6: we start optimistically right. Days are getting slightly longer, slightly warmer,

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden, where we might have been a

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Speaker 6: bit restrained or a bit limited in terms of outdoor painting,

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Speaker 6: well there's plenty of opportunity now, or there's more opportunity

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Speaker 6: every day to get stuck into those outside tasks. So

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Speaker 6: either way, if you've got a painting question inside, outside,

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Speaker 6: on top of the roof, wherever it needs to be,

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Speaker 6: text them through J from Razine. We both seven twenty five.

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Speaker 6: The other thing is that it is hard to ignore

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Speaker 6: at the moment, all of the discussion political discussion around

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Speaker 6: changes to various parts of the Building Act and the

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Speaker 6: various laws that govern building. One of the most significant, arguably,

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Speaker 6: and I think it genuinely is significant, is a proposed

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Speaker 6: change from joint and several liability in terms of defects

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Speaker 6: to proportional liability that's the suggested pathway. So what is

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Speaker 6: joint and several liability? What might the alternatives look like?

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Speaker 6: Over the next couple of weeks, we'll have a bit

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Speaker 6: of a focus on that, starting with Mike Thornton, who

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Speaker 6: is a lawyer who's been on the program a couple

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Speaker 6: of times. His specialty is construction law and I guess

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Speaker 6: litigation around building defects and that sort of thing. So

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Speaker 6: Mike is going to join us at eight o'clock this

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Speaker 6: morning or just after the eight o'clock news, and we're

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Speaker 6: going to talk about what is joint and several liability?

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Speaker 6: Is it actually a problem and why is it a problem?

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Speaker 6: And what does proportional liability look like? Is the sector

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Speaker 6: the reason this is particularly pertinent obviously it is a

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Speaker 6: for the minister who has proposed this or is heading

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Speaker 6: the charge. Chris Pink. He is the Minister for Building

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Speaker 6: in Construction, and next week on the show he'll be

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Speaker 6: joining us, as he's done before, but on this occasion

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Speaker 6: I promise you that I will only ask him questions

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Speaker 6: the show. So really looking forward to that. Right now,

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Speaker 6: let's crack into it, folks. Good morning, welcome along to

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Speaker 6: the show. Lovely to have you company on this Sunday,

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Speaker 6: this Father's Day Sunday.

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Speaker 5: We're into it. Eight eighty.

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Speaker 6: The number the call mark good morning.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning Pete.

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Speaker 8: Let's take a call pleasure, Pete. It's just we we

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Speaker 8: brought a villa about ten years ago. It's a nineteen

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Speaker 8: forties villa and as I so, i've been at ten years,

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Speaker 8: we've currently got it on the market and we had

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Speaker 8: we had a pretty firm offer on it that was

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Speaker 8: supposed to go unconditional. On Friday, the people that were

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Speaker 8: building inspection and stuff prior to making their offer, which

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Speaker 8: was subject to limb. Anyway, they got the limb and

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Speaker 8: on the limb the the house is showing a wall

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Speaker 8: in the kitchen. What happened was this wall was removed

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Speaker 8: around nineteen eighty. It's not so it's not shown on

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Speaker 8: the limb has been removed. So the reason we kind

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Speaker 8: of know that is we actually bumped into the previous

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Speaker 8: that is on the limb, and he had said that

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Speaker 8: the wall was gone. Then the kitchen had been done.

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Speaker 8: So anyway, short story, they they brought back they were

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Speaker 8: who then said, oh, look, you know it potentially could

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Speaker 8: something five to fifty thousand dollars to remedy it if

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Speaker 8: it was a low bearing wall. And anyway, we yeah, look,

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Speaker 8: they wanted to withdraw their offer. We didn't will see

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Speaker 8: anyone to buy a house. So the lawyer said, oh,

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Speaker 8: we ring the countcil. They were pretty They said, look,

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Speaker 8: it a two storied home? We said, single dwelling. They said, oh,

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Speaker 8: it shouldn't really be an issue. We've had a new

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Speaker 8: we just don't really know where to go to from here.

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Speaker 8: The council said they recommended a couple of specialized builders

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Speaker 8: that could do some form of certificates, saying, although it

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Speaker 8: really know the terminology. Maybe yeah, so I don't know.

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Speaker 8: We just don't know whether what to do in this situation.

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Speaker 8: And the council said, if you did that, they would

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Speaker 8: have just acknowledged that the walks now not there yea,

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Speaker 8: and yeah, and it's safe. But both the agent and

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Speaker 8: the council said, you know, it doesn't really come up

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Speaker 8: we're kind of in a position of do we do

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Speaker 8: nothing and just wait and see it?

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Speaker 6: Okay, let me offer some feedback in a sense, I think,

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Speaker 6: and I don't want to appear to be arrogant, but

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Speaker 6: as soon as you said, we've got a house. It's

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Speaker 6: an older house. The wall was taken out, but it's

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Speaker 6: not on the plan. I kind of knew where this

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Speaker 6: conversation was going to hit. So and look, for a

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Speaker 6: all sorts of anomalies. Let's say, right in your situation,

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Speaker 6: someone around nineteen eighty, it's tracking back a few years now,

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Speaker 6: the sound of a chainsaw, and his other mate was going,

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Speaker 6: I think this would look great, open plan and whips

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Speaker 6: out the chainsaw. Right, So you know, and that was

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Speaker 6: around that time. But anyway, so but increasingly, you know,

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Speaker 6: real estate agents have a duty to clear. Homeowners have

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Speaker 6: a I suppose in a sense of responsibility to present

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Speaker 6: their houses to market in a compliant manner. Counsels their

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Speaker 6: record keeping is actually getting better and better, so you

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Speaker 6: so that the number of this is you've got a

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Speaker 6: It doesn't show on the plan. There's no evidence that

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Speaker 6: And so without any evidence, any record keeping, there's a

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Speaker 6: with building code, in which case you're effectively selling something

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Speaker 6: or if they do purchase it, they're going to take

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Speaker 6: which you know your the scope is somewhere between five

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Speaker 6: is not illegal to sell a house that's got unauthorized

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Speaker 6: work or undocumented work. It's you can sell it, right,

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Speaker 6: and someone can make an offer for it and they

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Speaker 6: in terms of a pathway to compliance, I think the

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Speaker 6: advice from the council's right. What they're talking when they're

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Speaker 6: talking about specialist builders, they're probably not talking about builders

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Speaker 6: you look at like the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys,

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Speaker 6: and I've I've just facilitated this with another property, right,

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Speaker 6: so this is fresh in my mind. The scars are

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Speaker 6: there still there without overstating it, but it did take

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Speaker 6: a while and it did cost some money, right, So

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Speaker 6: in the end there was some work that was done

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Speaker 6: that didn't get signed off, so there was a building consent,

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Speaker 6: but it didn't get signed off. In your case, there's

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Speaker 6: no building consent. So someone has taken out a wall

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Speaker 6: which might or might not be load bearing without a

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Speaker 6: is or was, in which case, in order to substitute

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Speaker 6: Will take a call from Pauline shortly just after the news, sorry,

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering

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Speaker 6: Dogs'd be yeah with the news talks you'd be looking

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Speaker 9: Hello Pauling, Hello Kate, and happy Father's dating.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much, thank you for.

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Speaker 9: The opportunity to run this problem that I'm having with

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Speaker 9: because it's got a warranty. Of course, what they're prepared

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Speaker 6: So, just to be clear, they're offering to repair the

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Speaker 9: They're going to replace the.

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Speaker 6: Panel, yes, but then they're going to charge you for

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Speaker 9: Correct.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's not excepting thank you.

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Speaker 9: For putting up like that.

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Speaker 6: That's not how warranties work, right, So I think I'm

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Speaker 6: So when we finish this conversation, I'm going to get

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Speaker 6: I think it's quite clear they have obligations under both

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Speaker 6: also under the Consumer Guarantee you sorry, Consumer Guarantees Act

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Speaker 6: to you know they've sold you something. It's supposed to

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Speaker 9: Exactly eight eight years old? Was installed eight years ago,

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Speaker 9: and they keep telling me that it's an old door,

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Speaker 6: I suppose what this might come down to, though, paul In,

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Speaker 6: if you're out of warranty, then you're out of warranty.

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Speaker 6: But I and then it's going to become.

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Speaker 9: As it is, out a warranty because.

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Speaker 6: The warranty, how long is the warranty on it?

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Speaker 7: Five?

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Speaker 9: That was five and the original owners obviously didn't do

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Speaker 10: They just lead a guid Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So see this is where you know, let's say

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Speaker 6: So for example, for exterior cladding or for roofing, there

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Speaker 10: Interesting So.

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Speaker 6: Have a look through the warranty documents. You know, Look,

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Speaker 6: it's not unreasonable to expect that the door should remain

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Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, Kate. Where we have a nineteen seventy

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Speaker 7: When I'm suspecting that this because I had a couple

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00:25:53,415 --> 00:25:56,975
Speaker 7: snap on me where the pilot but went in and

433
00:25:57,055 --> 00:25:59,095
Speaker 7: then it broke and then I had to redrill. So

434
00:25:59,815 --> 00:26:02,455
Speaker 7: I'm suspecting that I've got the wrong type of screw.

435
00:26:02,615 --> 00:26:05,535
Speaker 7: Can you give me a little advice? So we've got

436
00:26:05,655 --> 00:26:10,055
Speaker 7: nine nine mil play yep, and about say four mil

437
00:26:10,215 --> 00:26:13,215
Speaker 7: three or four mil of metal? Can you give me

438
00:26:13,215 --> 00:26:18,295
Speaker 7: advice as to the type of metal? Sure, the metal screw.

439
00:26:18,615 --> 00:26:20,535
Speaker 6: I mean, good on you. I think you're doing it right.

440
00:26:20,575 --> 00:26:27,295
Speaker 6: I understand because I like, I've seen guys contractors just

441
00:26:27,335 --> 00:26:30,775
Speaker 6: take those screws with and they've got effectively what looks

442
00:26:30,815 --> 00:26:32,615
Speaker 6: like a drill head on them, right or you know

443
00:26:32,975 --> 00:26:33,735
Speaker 6: the end of it.

444
00:26:34,695 --> 00:26:40,135
Speaker 7: These ones, I suspect there it says light light duty metal.

445
00:26:40,895 --> 00:26:45,655
Speaker 7: They're the Cotter Cotta brand, and but I've got forty meals,

446
00:26:45,655 --> 00:26:48,575
Speaker 7: So I suspect that that's one of the slight problems.

447
00:26:48,855 --> 00:26:53,095
Speaker 6: Maybe too long, because remember, you know, the screw only

448
00:26:53,375 --> 00:26:55,735
Speaker 6: needs to be long enough to hold the ply. The

449
00:26:55,815 --> 00:26:58,855
Speaker 6: nine mil play plus the depth of the steel, which

450
00:26:59,175 --> 00:27:01,695
Speaker 6: let's say it's about three or four mil, so we're

451
00:27:01,695 --> 00:27:04,295
Speaker 6: talking thirteen So if you had a twenty mil long screw.

452
00:27:05,135 --> 00:27:08,535
Speaker 6: As long as the three is binding into the metal,

453
00:27:08,615 --> 00:27:12,815
Speaker 6: that's all that's required. Anything longer it doesn't hold anymore, right,

454
00:27:13,535 --> 00:27:15,135
Speaker 6: But you've still got to wind it all the way in.

455
00:27:16,495 --> 00:27:19,415
Speaker 6: But yeah, look, i've seen guys fixing, you know, cladding

456
00:27:19,455 --> 00:27:22,295
Speaker 6: to metal framing and that sort of thing. Often like

457
00:27:22,535 --> 00:27:26,215
Speaker 6: lighter gauge, by just starting drilling through, the drill does

458
00:27:26,255 --> 00:27:29,095
Speaker 6: its bit, and then the screw takes over and winds itself.

459
00:27:29,135 --> 00:27:31,975
Speaker 6: And I've had little success trying to do that, to

460
00:27:32,015 --> 00:27:36,455
Speaker 6: be fair, and so I would always do what you're doing,

461
00:27:36,495 --> 00:27:39,015
Speaker 6: which is you get a drill that's about the same

462
00:27:39,215 --> 00:27:43,655
Speaker 6: thickness as the shaft of the screw, right, so excluding

463
00:27:43,735 --> 00:27:46,135
Speaker 6: the thickness of the thread that goes.

464
00:27:45,975 --> 00:27:48,775
Speaker 7: Round my screw is a team gauge.

465
00:27:49,015 --> 00:27:50,855
Speaker 6: Yeah, so a three and a half mill drill, but

466
00:27:51,095 --> 00:27:55,415
Speaker 6: will be about right. The other thing that makes quite

467
00:27:55,415 --> 00:27:57,735
Speaker 6: a bit of difference when you're drilling through steel is

468
00:27:57,775 --> 00:28:02,055
Speaker 6: actually using It's basically like a little spray that you

469
00:28:02,095 --> 00:28:06,415
Speaker 6: can use that helps with the cutting. So it's a

470
00:28:06,495 --> 00:28:10,135
Speaker 6: cutting I don't think it's cutting compound. I'll find the

471
00:28:10,175 --> 00:28:11,255
Speaker 6: name for it in a minute.

472
00:28:10,975 --> 00:28:11,335
Speaker 5: But the.

473
00:28:12,855 --> 00:28:15,495
Speaker 6: It's like a just a spray that you use for

474
00:28:15,535 --> 00:28:18,775
Speaker 6: when you're cutting steel, when you're drilling into steel, that

475
00:28:18,815 --> 00:28:21,015
Speaker 6: will make the drilling part of it a lot easier

476
00:28:21,175 --> 00:28:23,975
Speaker 6: rather than kind of winding you way through for five minutes,

477
00:28:24,015 --> 00:28:26,175
Speaker 6: because chances are if it's taken you five minutes, the

478
00:28:26,215 --> 00:28:28,975
Speaker 6: drill bits blunt. So you're doing the right thing in

479
00:28:29,055 --> 00:28:32,095
Speaker 6: terms of pre drilling. In terms of the screws, make

480
00:28:32,135 --> 00:28:34,215
Speaker 6: sure that the screw is not much bigger than the

481
00:28:34,255 --> 00:28:36,575
Speaker 6: pilot hole that you need, and it only needs to

482
00:28:36,655 --> 00:28:39,935
Speaker 6: be long enough to securely fasten the timber to the steel.

483
00:28:41,335 --> 00:28:43,095
Speaker 6: And then the other thing is what are you using

484
00:28:43,135 --> 00:28:44,415
Speaker 6: to drive the screw in?

485
00:28:46,215 --> 00:28:48,295
Speaker 7: Using a power driver?

486
00:28:48,975 --> 00:28:53,975
Speaker 6: So like an impact driver or a drill no impact? Okay,

487
00:28:54,015 --> 00:28:56,975
Speaker 6: that's good as well. Then I think it might just

488
00:28:57,015 --> 00:28:58,495
Speaker 6: be a case of look, you can go down to

489
00:28:58,575 --> 00:29:01,735
Speaker 6: a large hot hardware store and get something off the shelf,

490
00:29:01,815 --> 00:29:04,375
Speaker 6: or you go to a specialist. As it happened. Actually,

491
00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:06,695
Speaker 6: I was at a little place in Glenfield other day

492
00:29:06,695 --> 00:29:10,455
Speaker 6: called the bolt Shop because I needed some good old

493
00:29:10,495 --> 00:29:14,895
Speaker 6: fashioned brass slotted screws right and they had them there.

494
00:29:15,775 --> 00:29:18,375
Speaker 6: They are expensive, they turn out they're about a dollar each,

495
00:29:19,135 --> 00:29:20,935
Speaker 6: but anyway, I needed them for a job, and I

496
00:29:20,935 --> 00:29:22,575
Speaker 6: could get them there. Now, if you went in there

497
00:29:22,575 --> 00:29:24,615
Speaker 6: and said this is what I'm doing, they would, you know,

498
00:29:24,855 --> 00:29:28,135
Speaker 6: so maybe a specialist engineering supplies firm or something like that.

499
00:29:28,695 --> 00:29:31,975
Speaker 6: You might find it at a large wholesaler, but typically

500
00:29:32,015 --> 00:29:36,055
Speaker 6: you'd get one that's they're kind of golden in color

501
00:29:37,015 --> 00:29:42,455
Speaker 6: rather than just yeah, they're often tempted. Oh so I

502
00:29:42,495 --> 00:29:46,015
Speaker 6: went to the bolt shop. The bolt shop in where

503
00:29:46,055 --> 00:29:48,575
Speaker 6: are they Piranha Road? I think in Glenfield, but there

504
00:29:48,575 --> 00:29:50,375
Speaker 6: will be other places like that around.

505
00:29:50,135 --> 00:29:54,895
Speaker 7: The place, right, yeah, okay, okay, thanks for that. So

506
00:29:54,935 --> 00:29:59,775
Speaker 7: the only other thing was that these these drill bit

507
00:30:00,375 --> 00:30:03,375
Speaker 7: these are brand new drill bits. Can you is it,

508
00:30:03,455 --> 00:30:06,175
Speaker 7: you know, just from the sort of mighty Teams or Bunnings,

509
00:30:06,295 --> 00:30:09,655
Speaker 7: and you can you get higher quality? Is it better

510
00:30:09,655 --> 00:30:11,175
Speaker 7: to get a higher quality drill.

511
00:30:12,775 --> 00:30:17,815
Speaker 6: It's like with most things, you know, the more you

512
00:30:17,815 --> 00:30:19,975
Speaker 6: spend on good quality tools, the better they are.

513
00:30:20,095 --> 00:30:20,615
Speaker 5: Typically.

514
00:30:21,655 --> 00:30:24,095
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm always a little bit cautious about buying

515
00:30:24,135 --> 00:30:26,175
Speaker 6: really cheap drawll bits. But if you go in like

516
00:30:26,215 --> 00:30:27,735
Speaker 6: to Mine to ten or somewhere like that, and they've

517
00:30:27,735 --> 00:30:31,575
Speaker 6: got some sudden drall bits for example, that's actually the

518
00:30:31,655 --> 00:30:34,615
Speaker 6: really cool thing about them. Is their New Zealand made

519
00:30:35,015 --> 00:30:37,855
Speaker 6: so sudden drill bits. The other thing to Eddie has

520
00:30:37,895 --> 00:30:40,855
Speaker 6: texture and go and has suggested that a ten gauge

521
00:30:40,895 --> 00:30:45,255
Speaker 6: screw needs a four point five millimeter pilot hole in

522
00:30:45,335 --> 00:30:48,455
Speaker 6: heavier meta, so that will help as well.

523
00:30:49,695 --> 00:30:51,375
Speaker 7: Four point five four point.

524
00:30:51,095 --> 00:30:53,615
Speaker 6: Five and that's that's actually you know, if you think

525
00:30:53,655 --> 00:30:55,895
Speaker 6: about the difference of three point five to four point five,

526
00:30:55,935 --> 00:30:58,895
Speaker 6: it's almost twenty five percent larger, right, So that will

527
00:30:58,895 --> 00:31:01,695
Speaker 6: actually make quite a significant difference because all you need

528
00:31:02,375 --> 00:31:05,695
Speaker 6: is the thread to bind right the shaft of the

529
00:31:05,735 --> 00:31:09,335
Speaker 6: screw that's just holding you back basically.

530
00:31:09,935 --> 00:31:14,775
Speaker 7: Yeah, and effectively the do you mention some form of paste.

531
00:31:14,575 --> 00:31:20,215
Speaker 6: Or yeah, it's one of those things.

532
00:31:20,255 --> 00:31:20,455
Speaker 3: I know.

533
00:31:20,455 --> 00:31:26,055
Speaker 6: I've got it sitting on my shelf at home, drill compound.

534
00:31:32,255 --> 00:31:33,815
Speaker 6: I'll read it out in the second. We'll take a

535
00:31:33,815 --> 00:31:35,415
Speaker 6: break and then I'll stay listening for a couple of

536
00:31:35,455 --> 00:31:38,815
Speaker 6: minutes and I'll let you know what it is. Good

537
00:31:38,895 --> 00:31:42,255
Speaker 6: luck with that, all the very best, take care and

538
00:31:42,375 --> 00:31:45,975
Speaker 6: talking about good tools. I promise you before seven o'clock

539
00:31:46,055 --> 00:31:51,135
Speaker 6: I will I will vent my spleen on this tool

540
00:31:51,175 --> 00:31:53,575
Speaker 6: that was advertised, as you know, here's a problem three

541
00:31:53,615 --> 00:31:57,335
Speaker 6: thousand years in the making. We've solved it. I have

542
00:31:57,415 --> 00:32:00,415
Speaker 6: some very strong opinions on this. We are back after

543
00:32:00,455 --> 00:32:03,895
Speaker 6: the break. Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

544
00:32:04,015 --> 00:32:06,495
Speaker 1: Give the right advice from Peter wolf Care he's a

545
00:32:06,575 --> 00:32:08,855
Speaker 1: resident builder on newstalk SAB.

546
00:32:09,935 --> 00:32:11,495
Speaker 6: Thank you for the texts that are coming in. This

547
00:32:11,535 --> 00:32:15,775
Speaker 6: is fantastic actually so with regard to the pilot hole,

548
00:32:15,855 --> 00:32:17,695
Speaker 6: it t engauged screw typically needs a four and a

549
00:32:17,735 --> 00:32:21,615
Speaker 6: half mill pilot hole. Thanks Addie for that. Someone suggested

550
00:32:21,695 --> 00:32:24,695
Speaker 6: using nuts and bolts. I guess you don't necessarily want

551
00:32:24,695 --> 00:32:27,015
Speaker 6: to drill right through effectively what it is you think

552
00:32:27,015 --> 00:32:30,615
Speaker 6: about those classic nineteen seventies sort of open plan stairs,

553
00:32:31,455 --> 00:32:34,775
Speaker 6: a steel stringer with bits of metal welded on the top,

554
00:32:34,815 --> 00:32:40,015
Speaker 6: little l bracket that holds the tread. You don't necessarily

555
00:32:40,015 --> 00:32:41,815
Speaker 6: want to drill all the way through and have a

556
00:32:41,895 --> 00:32:43,975
Speaker 6: nut and a bolt because it kind of looks ugly

557
00:32:44,015 --> 00:32:45,695
Speaker 6: on the inside, Not that anyone would see it on

558
00:32:45,735 --> 00:32:47,815
Speaker 6: the inside once you put the ply on, but it

559
00:32:47,935 --> 00:32:52,055
Speaker 6: still would. And I've been schooled by Michael, which is

560
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:55,015
Speaker 6: great Morning Peak. The self drilling screws are known as

561
00:32:55,055 --> 00:32:59,375
Speaker 6: tech screws TEK screws and should not be used with

562
00:32:59,415 --> 00:33:03,055
Speaker 6: an impact driver use a standard drill. The impact can

563
00:33:03,095 --> 00:33:08,215
Speaker 6: cause the screw shaft to break. I may have experienced

564
00:33:08,255 --> 00:33:12,695
Speaker 6: that myself, which is interesting. And the mysterious product that

565
00:33:12,855 --> 00:33:14,735
Speaker 6: is sitting on my shelf along with a thousand other

566
00:33:14,735 --> 00:33:18,775
Speaker 6: mysterious products, is simply called cutting oil. You can get

567
00:33:18,815 --> 00:33:21,175
Speaker 6: it as a paste or a liquid, or in my case,

568
00:33:21,495 --> 00:33:27,495
Speaker 6: I've got it as an aerosol, so CRC CDT cutting oil,

569
00:33:27,535 --> 00:33:29,735
Speaker 6: And there's other brands that make them as well. Suit

570
00:33:29,735 --> 00:33:31,855
Speaker 6: will make one, and a whole bunch of people make them.

571
00:33:32,055 --> 00:33:35,735
Speaker 6: But cutting and tapping fluid or cutting and tapping oil

572
00:33:36,215 --> 00:33:37,935
Speaker 6: is what you're after. That will make it easier. But

573
00:33:38,895 --> 00:33:41,815
Speaker 6: for our previous call it David. If you're putting the

574
00:33:41,815 --> 00:33:45,175
Speaker 6: plywood up and then screwing through it, and you're drilling

575
00:33:45,215 --> 00:33:48,135
Speaker 6: through the plywood, I wouldn't apply the oil then because

576
00:33:48,135 --> 00:33:51,015
Speaker 6: it will stain the plywood. So if you mark all

577
00:33:51,015 --> 00:33:55,175
Speaker 6: the holes and then take the plywood away, use the oil,

578
00:33:55,415 --> 00:33:57,895
Speaker 6: then clean it up, then put the plywood on, it'll

579
00:33:57,895 --> 00:34:01,975
Speaker 6: save you marking the ply because it will. Now this

580
00:34:02,055 --> 00:34:03,935
Speaker 6: is also I'm just going to read this out and

581
00:34:03,935 --> 00:34:06,975
Speaker 6: then park it because this is the perfect exam of

582
00:34:07,415 --> 00:34:10,415
Speaker 6: what we're discussing in terms of joint and several liability

583
00:34:10,455 --> 00:34:13,255
Speaker 6: and a move to proportional liability and how might this

584
00:34:13,335 --> 00:34:16,655
Speaker 6: actually work in the future. So the text is high, Peete,

585
00:34:16,815 --> 00:34:19,375
Speaker 6: we have a new home, but over winter we have

586
00:34:19,495 --> 00:34:22,815
Speaker 6: experienced a couple of small leaks from the roof The

587
00:34:22,935 --> 00:34:27,055
Speaker 6: roofing company Engage has gone under, but the LBP, who

588
00:34:27,095 --> 00:34:29,935
Speaker 6: is an independent contractor who did the work, is still

589
00:34:29,975 --> 00:34:35,095
Speaker 6: about what options do I have to get this issue resolved? Thanks, Well,

590
00:34:35,095 --> 00:34:37,095
Speaker 6: that's a perfect example of what we're talking about in

591
00:34:37,175 --> 00:34:41,975
Speaker 6: terms of joint and several liability that in this instance

592
00:34:42,015 --> 00:34:44,695
Speaker 6: here where the roofing contractor is now out of business,

593
00:34:46,255 --> 00:34:49,935
Speaker 6: who then is going to be responsible for repairing the leak?

594
00:34:51,695 --> 00:34:56,335
Speaker 6: Even if the roofing company had insurance, some sort of

595
00:34:56,335 --> 00:35:00,575
Speaker 6: indemnity insurance, given that they're no longer in business, that

596
00:35:00,695 --> 00:35:03,175
Speaker 6: doesn't help a homeowner now either. So that's the sort

597
00:35:03,175 --> 00:35:06,135
Speaker 6: of thing that we might talk about with Mike when

598
00:35:06,295 --> 00:35:10,375
Speaker 6: he joins me on at a round just after eight o'clock. Right, Oh,

599
00:35:10,415 --> 00:35:12,535
Speaker 6: we're into it. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

600
00:35:12,535 --> 00:35:14,175
Speaker 6: the number, Pracash, Good morning to you.

601
00:35:14,895 --> 00:35:17,215
Speaker 11: Oh, good morning, Peter, howse thing's there.

602
00:35:17,495 --> 00:35:18,495
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you.

603
00:35:18,935 --> 00:35:22,935
Speaker 11: Look, I've just finished a laundry conversion in my at

604
00:35:22,975 --> 00:35:26,175
Speaker 11: the end of my garage. Now the final piece and

605
00:35:26,375 --> 00:35:30,175
Speaker 11: everything is the garage floor. So carryly garudge floor's just

606
00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:33,415
Speaker 11: got old paint on it. I can see sort of

607
00:35:33,535 --> 00:35:37,255
Speaker 11: orange maybe old paint coming through. It might have been

608
00:35:37,295 --> 00:35:40,935
Speaker 11: an old adhesive or something underneath it, so that the

609
00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:43,535
Speaker 11: top player is sort of okay, getting a bit grimy,

610
00:35:43,575 --> 00:35:45,575
Speaker 11: and I thought, okay, time to just sort of take

611
00:35:45,615 --> 00:35:49,535
Speaker 11: it all out. I could probably use the garage for

612
00:35:49,615 --> 00:35:52,855
Speaker 11: multiple uses and things like that. So I was thinking,

613
00:35:52,935 --> 00:35:56,215
Speaker 11: I don't really like garage carpet. I always think, Okay,

614
00:35:56,495 --> 00:35:58,295
Speaker 11: it's going to get dirty, It's going to get stuff

615
00:35:58,375 --> 00:36:00,415
Speaker 11: stuck in there, you know, can you vacuum it or not?

616
00:36:00,855 --> 00:36:04,855
Speaker 11: So I thought I either I'm going to grind it

617
00:36:04,895 --> 00:36:09,535
Speaker 11: down too, maybe expose it a seal or on it

618
00:36:09,615 --> 00:36:14,055
Speaker 11: or something like that, or maybe get them to paint

619
00:36:14,095 --> 00:36:15,735
Speaker 11: over it. I don't know if they need to still

620
00:36:15,775 --> 00:36:17,975
Speaker 11: grind it, but maybe a POxy paint.

621
00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:19,775
Speaker 12: I'm not sure.

622
00:36:21,215 --> 00:36:23,615
Speaker 11: Now the grudge is sort of at the moment, it's

623
00:36:23,655 --> 00:36:26,135
Speaker 11: all got you know, old paint, old pieces of all

624
00:36:26,215 --> 00:36:29,255
Speaker 11: the stuff normal garage would have, and I was thinking

625
00:36:29,335 --> 00:36:32,215
Speaker 11: over time, I might like to sort of use it

626
00:36:32,255 --> 00:36:36,015
Speaker 11: for dual purpose sort of thing. So I'm not really

627
00:36:36,055 --> 00:36:40,655
Speaker 11: experiencing the concrete grinding and polishing and ceiling and stuff

628
00:36:40,695 --> 00:36:43,655
Speaker 11: like that. Sort of sort of just see what your

629
00:36:43,735 --> 00:36:46,295
Speaker 11: views were on, you know, these sort of two options,

630
00:36:46,335 --> 00:36:49,335
Speaker 11: because I know some of the newer modern homes love

631
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:54,215
Speaker 11: that concrete grind exposed look even inside the loungerry and

632
00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:56,215
Speaker 11: stuff like that, and I think, you know, that's kind

633
00:36:56,215 --> 00:36:58,495
Speaker 11: of nice, but will that stand up to like a

634
00:36:58,535 --> 00:37:01,095
Speaker 11: garage era, which might you know, might get a lot

635
00:37:01,135 --> 00:37:01,535
Speaker 11: of use.

636
00:37:01,655 --> 00:37:02,735
Speaker 5: Yeah.

637
00:37:03,375 --> 00:37:05,935
Speaker 6: Obviously, if you're going to apply coating, you need to

638
00:37:05,935 --> 00:37:09,255
Speaker 6: know that the substrate i e. The existing garage is

639
00:37:10,055 --> 00:37:15,135
Speaker 6: reasonably clean, and the best way to get that done

640
00:37:15,175 --> 00:37:17,495
Speaker 6: would be to grind it right. So even if you're

641
00:37:17,575 --> 00:37:20,375
Speaker 6: going to do an epoxy, I'd probably get someone in,

642
00:37:21,095 --> 00:37:25,935
Speaker 6: whether that's a specialist concrete floor grinding crew or some

643
00:37:25,975 --> 00:37:29,735
Speaker 6: people that do preparation for overlay flooring and that sort

644
00:37:29,735 --> 00:37:31,975
Speaker 6: of thing. Have've got the right equipment, so the right

645
00:37:32,015 --> 00:37:35,455
Speaker 6: type of grinder attached to some extraction and then they

646
00:37:35,455 --> 00:37:39,055
Speaker 6: could come along and grind the surface back and then

647
00:37:39,455 --> 00:37:42,495
Speaker 6: if it comes up nice and it looks really good

648
00:37:42,575 --> 00:37:44,335
Speaker 6: and you're happy with it, then you could just use

649
00:37:44,335 --> 00:37:49,095
Speaker 6: a clear seala over it. And again you'd need to

650
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Speaker 6: read the label to see is it traffickable if I

651
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Speaker 6: drive a car on it? Is it going to be okay? Obviously,

652
00:37:56,775 --> 00:37:59,815
Speaker 6: exposed concrete floors are quite popular in new houses these days,

653
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Speaker 6: so there's plenty of sealers out there that are suitable.

654
00:38:03,735 --> 00:38:06,975
Speaker 6: Then if let's say you didn't want to go concrete sealer,

655
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Speaker 6: but you did want to do like an epoxy coating

656
00:38:09,455 --> 00:38:13,655
Speaker 6: over it, again, plenty of those on the market, but

657
00:38:13,895 --> 00:38:16,015
Speaker 6: you've got to get the preparation right, which you've done

658
00:38:16,055 --> 00:38:20,535
Speaker 6: by grinding the floor. There is kind of one other

659
00:38:20,575 --> 00:38:22,975
Speaker 6: option as well, which would be as long as your

660
00:38:23,015 --> 00:38:27,095
Speaker 6: preparations right, you could do like a micro cement render

661
00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:31,895
Speaker 6: over the entire surface. This is I had some experience

662
00:38:31,935 --> 00:38:34,375
Speaker 6: with it recently where we used it on an old

663
00:38:34,415 --> 00:38:37,135
Speaker 6: concrete table which had become very weathered, and what I

664
00:38:37,175 --> 00:38:39,415
Speaker 6: wanted to do is sort of restore it. So it's

665
00:38:39,455 --> 00:38:45,175
Speaker 6: a razine construction product micro stone, and then we rendered

666
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Speaker 6: essentially over the top of the old plaster, put a

667
00:38:47,735 --> 00:38:52,135
Speaker 6: sealer on it, and that's reasonably traffickable. I don't know

668
00:38:52,175 --> 00:38:55,015
Speaker 6: if it's really designed to have vehicles driving on it.

669
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Speaker 6: But if let's say the garage is sort of for

670
00:38:58,015 --> 00:39:01,375
Speaker 6: you're working around, but you're not necessarily driving into it,

671
00:39:01,415 --> 00:39:03,295
Speaker 6: then that would be another option. So you can have

672
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Speaker 6: a look for microstone.

673
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Speaker 11: So there's a option, and that's just applied by just

674
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Speaker 11: a normal painting roller.

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Speaker 6: No this, If you're doing the microstone, it's applied with

676
00:39:12,775 --> 00:39:16,335
Speaker 6: a trail and then buffed and finished off and you'd

677
00:39:16,375 --> 00:39:19,575
Speaker 6: need to get a license applicated to do it. But

678
00:39:19,615 --> 00:39:22,335
Speaker 6: in terms of something that you can do, then by

679
00:39:22,375 --> 00:39:27,375
Speaker 6: all means look at I mean grinding grinding the floor

680
00:39:27,415 --> 00:39:30,055
Speaker 6: looks really simple, but it's actually kind of not like

681
00:39:30,295 --> 00:39:32,375
Speaker 6: you really need to know what you're doing. And also

682
00:39:33,015 --> 00:39:34,935
Speaker 6: you don't want to get lots and lots of dust everywhere,

683
00:39:34,975 --> 00:39:37,615
Speaker 6: so you need the right gear with extraction on it

684
00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:38,015
Speaker 6: to do it.

685
00:39:38,455 --> 00:39:43,015
Speaker 11: Professional. Sounds like I need a professional for that job.

686
00:39:43,335 --> 00:39:48,015
Speaker 11: And the sealer versus the epoxy paint, are they the

687
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:51,375
Speaker 11: durability of them would be very similar or has one

688
00:39:51,495 --> 00:39:53,855
Speaker 11: got a more beneficial.

689
00:39:53,695 --> 00:39:57,055
Speaker 6: I would probably say that in terms of long lasting

690
00:39:57,455 --> 00:40:00,295
Speaker 6: an epoxy is you know, just because the build up

691
00:40:00,415 --> 00:40:03,575
Speaker 6: is more you're going to get more epoxy on the floor,

692
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Speaker 6: so it's going to have more wear ability to where

693
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Speaker 6: I would say that a POxy would probably outlast a.

694
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Speaker 11: Sealer, right, okay, And as a seal is something that

695
00:40:15,095 --> 00:40:17,735
Speaker 11: you may need to apply in a number of years.

696
00:40:18,255 --> 00:40:19,975
Speaker 11: That's right again sort of thing.

697
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Speaker 6: Which is, you know, not necessarily the end of the world. Again,

698
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Speaker 6: if you've got a product that is able to be reapplied,

699
00:40:25,055 --> 00:40:27,415
Speaker 6: so a thorough clean and then reapply, it might be

700
00:40:27,455 --> 00:40:29,615
Speaker 6: the answer. So some options therefore.

701
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Speaker 11: You okay, thank you, Peter, No trouble answers it.

702
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Speaker 6: Take care.

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Speaker 1: It is six fifty two News Talks ed B helping

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Speaker 6: Your News Talks EDB. We've got new sport and weather

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Speaker 6: the next hour of the show, Jay, our painting expert

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Speaker 6: from Razine will be joining us. After eight o'clock we

711
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Speaker 6: have our legal expert, lawyer Michael Thornton, will be joining us.

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Speaker 6: We're going to talk about joint in several liability and

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Speaker 6: of course at eight thirty. We've got a decline pass.

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Speaker 6: We're into the garden with Rid from eight point thirty

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Speaker 6: this morning on this good this Faur's Day morning, which

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Speaker 6: I'm enjoying thus far. Radio. We are back afternoons Sport

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Speaker 1: Meta twice God was but maybe call Pete first, feed

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Speaker 6: B rdio, Welcome back, folks. Lovely to have your company

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Speaker 6: this morning on the Sunday Here at News Talks. Heb

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Speaker 6: the Resident Builder on Sunday as always talking about building

723
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Speaker 6: construction rules, regulations, and in particular today or in about

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Speaker 6: an hour's time, my guest will be Mike Thornton. Michael Thornton,

725
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Speaker 6: who's a lawyer who specializes in construction law. He's been

726
00:41:54,615 --> 00:41:57,415
Speaker 6: a guest on the show before. Given all of the

727
00:41:57,455 --> 00:42:03,015
Speaker 6: discussion around the signal change from joint and several liability

728
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Speaker 6: to proportional liability, I thought we'd get a chance to

729
00:42:06,535 --> 00:42:08,935
Speaker 6: talk about it from a legal point of view. I

730
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Speaker 6: when this does become law, this is in that's their playground, right.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk with Mike about that ahead of having the

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Speaker 6: Minister Chris Pink in the studio next week on the show,

733
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Speaker 6: to talk about that and a whole bunch of other

734
00:42:23,575 --> 00:42:27,095
Speaker 6: proposed changes as well, So really looking forward to that. Yes,

735
00:42:27,175 --> 00:42:31,655
Speaker 6: now someone has thank you for reminding me, Liz. I

736
00:42:31,735 --> 00:42:33,295
Speaker 6: keep saying that I've got lots of time to talk

737
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Speaker 6: about these things, and I don't because I want to

738
00:42:35,215 --> 00:42:36,855
Speaker 6: talk to you, but I do want to take a

739
00:42:36,855 --> 00:42:41,415
Speaker 6: moment to talk about this. And I quite honestly, I

740
00:42:41,535 --> 00:42:44,535
Speaker 6: was apoplectic with rage when I saw this advertising the

741
00:42:44,575 --> 00:42:49,975
Speaker 6: other day. So what triggered me was the sort of

742
00:42:49,975 --> 00:42:52,815
Speaker 6: the lead up in social media to this new arrival

743
00:42:52,815 --> 00:42:56,135
Speaker 6: of a new tool was here's a problem three thousand

744
00:42:56,215 --> 00:42:58,895
Speaker 6: years in the making, and we've solved it. And then

745
00:42:58,935 --> 00:43:03,615
Speaker 6: it talked about chisels. So chisels three thousand year old

746
00:43:03,615 --> 00:43:06,855
Speaker 6: piece of technology. It's in my aprah and my drawer,

747
00:43:07,135 --> 00:43:09,455
Speaker 6: use them all the time, years and years and years.

748
00:43:09,575 --> 00:43:12,495
Speaker 6: So then they went on to say that they've done

749
00:43:12,495 --> 00:43:15,055
Speaker 6: some research and they've discovered that about six percent of

750
00:43:15,135 --> 00:43:20,855
Speaker 6: chisels get thrown out after a week because people either

751
00:43:21,135 --> 00:43:23,575
Speaker 6: well they can't sharpen them, right, that's the number of

752
00:43:23,575 --> 00:43:25,455
Speaker 6: the problem. So they've come up with a solution. Now,

753
00:43:25,535 --> 00:43:28,215
Speaker 6: the people that I'm talking about, I've got no particular

754
00:43:28,255 --> 00:43:31,175
Speaker 6: beef with OX Tools, but they're the ones that have

755
00:43:31,215 --> 00:43:34,615
Speaker 6: introduced this tool, right, So what it is is it's

756
00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:38,815
Speaker 6: a chisel with a replacement tip. So you buy the

757
00:43:38,895 --> 00:43:41,495
Speaker 6: chisel and it's got a little screw at the end there,

758
00:43:41,655 --> 00:43:44,295
Speaker 6: and you get a couple of spare tips, and the

759
00:43:44,615 --> 00:43:48,535
Speaker 6: thinking behind it is when the chisel tip is blunt,

760
00:43:48,655 --> 00:43:51,055
Speaker 6: then you just swap it out for a new bit,

761
00:43:51,935 --> 00:43:55,935
Speaker 6: a new chisel end. And I kind of looked at that, thinking,

762
00:43:56,015 --> 00:44:00,375
Speaker 6: three thousand years of challenges and we've solved it by

763
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Speaker 6: giving you a tool that you can swap the end

764
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Speaker 6: out of. And I kind of looked at that and went,

765
00:44:04,455 --> 00:44:08,335
Speaker 6: it feels like to meeousand years of using it, Okay,

766
00:44:08,935 --> 00:44:13,215
Speaker 6: now we've got users who don't know how to sharpen tools.

767
00:44:13,895 --> 00:44:19,295
Speaker 6: That's the end of civilization for me. I was just

768
00:44:19,375 --> 00:44:20,735
Speaker 6: I looked at that and I sent it around to

769
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Speaker 6: a couple of mates as well. And look, again, I've

770
00:44:23,775 --> 00:44:26,015
Speaker 6: got no beefs with Ox Tools. They've actually got some

771
00:44:26,095 --> 00:44:28,175
Speaker 6: quite cool tools, and I've met them a couple of times,

772
00:44:28,215 --> 00:44:32,535
Speaker 6: but a chisel, a replaceable tip chisel to me just

773
00:44:32,575 --> 00:44:36,335
Speaker 6: seems like it's the end of standards, right. It's the

774
00:44:36,415 --> 00:44:40,335
Speaker 6: ends of ability, the end of trades people being able

775
00:44:40,335 --> 00:44:43,215
Speaker 6: to look after their tools and being able to sharpen tools.

776
00:44:43,255 --> 00:44:46,415
Speaker 6: It's a core competency right of being a trades person.

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Speaker 6: I feel so strongly about it. To be fair, if

778
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Speaker 6: I saw a young fellow turn up on my side

779
00:44:50,295 --> 00:44:52,615
Speaker 6: who had one of these, I'd probably sack them straight away.

780
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Speaker 6: You don't know, you don't care. This is a bad idea,

781
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Speaker 6: simple as that.

782
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Speaker 2: Right.

783
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Speaker 6: That's oh, I feel so much better getting that off

784
00:45:01,615 --> 00:45:01,975
Speaker 6: my chest.

785
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Speaker 5: Right.

786
00:45:02,495 --> 00:45:05,015
Speaker 6: We've got Jay coming along in about fifteen minutes time,

787
00:45:05,055 --> 00:45:09,135
Speaker 6: so if you've got some painting quick it is ninety

788
00:45:09,175 --> 00:45:12,855
Speaker 6: two to send those through and remember our legal expert

789
00:45:12,895 --> 00:45:15,895
Speaker 6: Mike Thornton along after eight o'clock. But right now, John, good.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 6: How do you think I'm well? I got off my test?

792
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Speaker 13: Yeah, no, I had a rider in at that listen.

793
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Speaker 13: I have a question as advice. A few months ago

794
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Speaker 13: I came I listened to your show on a Sunday morning.

795
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Speaker 13: I came out and I caught the tail end of

796
00:45:34,575 --> 00:45:37,935
Speaker 13: a discussion you were having. Was to do with doing

797
00:45:37,975 --> 00:45:42,055
Speaker 13: a heat lot test in a room and if you'd

798
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Speaker 13: use the guide, which is sorry, the calculated which is

799
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Speaker 13: a guide. It gave you a certain rating and you

800
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Speaker 13: had decided to get a do a proper physical evidence

801
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Speaker 13: based test, and there was a great disparity between the

802
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Speaker 13: two results. And I'm in the situation I find myself.

803
00:46:00,095 --> 00:46:06,815
Speaker 13: So I'm looking to either approach the Engineers Institute, perhaps

804
00:46:06,815 --> 00:46:09,815
Speaker 13: go to I'm an Auckland Massive University if they've got

805
00:46:09,815 --> 00:46:13,535
Speaker 13: a building science department or something along that line, and

806
00:46:13,615 --> 00:46:17,095
Speaker 13: try and find basically somebody with some credentials who can

807
00:46:17,095 --> 00:46:20,855
Speaker 13: give me a physical test of the room. And the

808
00:46:20,935 --> 00:46:24,015
Speaker 13: reason for that is that it's a thirty square me room,

809
00:46:24,175 --> 00:46:29,135
Speaker 13: carpeting on the floor jib board, and fortunately we don't

810
00:46:29,175 --> 00:46:33,375
Speaker 13: know the bats in the walls, certainly plenty of bats

811
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:37,375
Speaker 13: in the ceiling, and the normal rant slider situation. It's

812
00:46:37,415 --> 00:46:39,935
Speaker 13: the main living room. It's got a three point two

813
00:46:40,095 --> 00:46:44,175
Speaker 13: megawatt heat pump, and the Healthy Home assessments come back

814
00:46:44,175 --> 00:46:46,775
Speaker 13: and said you need a minimum of five point three

815
00:46:46,815 --> 00:46:50,775
Speaker 13: and because there's more than two point four difference, you'd

816
00:46:50,815 --> 00:46:55,375
Speaker 13: have to reinstall a brand new unit. Now I'm going

817
00:46:56,535 --> 00:46:59,855
Speaker 13: three point two megawatts. We'll pump that up to certain

818
00:46:59,855 --> 00:47:04,335
Speaker 13: one degrees in no time at all. It just seems

819
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Speaker 13: bizarre to me. So I want to actually get the

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Speaker 13: Physical Care Star.

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Speaker 6: Okay, can I ask? Can I offer up a couple

822
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Speaker 6: of thoughts.

823
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Speaker 5: One is.

824
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Speaker 6: The take a step back and looking at the situation,

825
00:47:21,215 --> 00:47:22,815
Speaker 6: like I actually think we've got a little bit of

826
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Speaker 6: an issue around who is doing the healthy homes assessments

827
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Speaker 6: right because right now there is no requirement for anyone

828
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Speaker 6: to be qualified to do them yep. So potentially we've

829
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Speaker 6: got unqualified people undertaking healthy homes assessments, offering up opinions

830
00:47:40,895 --> 00:47:44,375
Speaker 6: about heating use and other condition reports who have no

831
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Speaker 6: qualifications whatsoever to do them yep. So that's a problem.

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00:47:50,615 --> 00:47:55,135
Speaker 6: Good news is there are actually qualifications that you can

833
00:47:55,135 --> 00:47:57,255
Speaker 6: get or there are courses that will give you some

834
00:47:57,375 --> 00:48:00,295
Speaker 6: insight into it. So for example, at the moment, I'm

835
00:48:00,295 --> 00:48:03,215
Speaker 6: probably going to do the New Zealand Green Building Council

836
00:48:03,495 --> 00:48:07,375
Speaker 6: Home Fit course that will at least give me some

837
00:48:07,855 --> 00:48:11,015
Speaker 6: qualification to say that I understand the basic principles, that

838
00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:14,215
Speaker 6: I can use the tool, and that I understand what

839
00:48:14,295 --> 00:48:18,335
Speaker 6: the requirements are. So that's one. There's actually there's another

840
00:48:18,375 --> 00:48:20,295
Speaker 6: module that I'm looking at doing through the New Zealand

841
00:48:20,295 --> 00:48:24,855
Speaker 6: Institute of Building Surveys around pre purchase inspections that will

842
00:48:24,855 --> 00:48:27,215
Speaker 6: give you an insight. So there we've got a problem.

843
00:48:27,255 --> 00:48:29,855
Speaker 6: So I wonder whether in your place, a simple solution

844
00:48:30,015 --> 00:48:33,895
Speaker 6: would be to invite someone else to undertake the healthy

845
00:48:33,895 --> 00:48:37,375
Speaker 6: Homes assessment who may have a better understanding of the

846
00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:40,975
Speaker 6: tool and the built environment and might end up coming

847
00:48:41,055 --> 00:48:44,615
Speaker 6: up with a different solution where I went with the

848
00:48:44,655 --> 00:48:47,695
Speaker 6: particular case that I was involved in, I ended up

849
00:48:47,735 --> 00:48:52,455
Speaker 6: going to a essentially building scientist. Right, So companies that

850
00:48:52,535 --> 00:49:00,055
Speaker 6: do energy modeling for houses, now this group or this

851
00:49:00,215 --> 00:49:05,815
Speaker 6: sector of the building design and engineering world are going

852
00:49:05,855 --> 00:49:10,735
Speaker 6: to be much busier than they have been because H one,

853
00:49:11,775 --> 00:49:14,415
Speaker 6: the schedule method for H one, which is a tech

854
00:49:14,455 --> 00:49:16,495
Speaker 6: box approach you reads for a listing. I'm going to

855
00:49:16,495 --> 00:49:19,215
Speaker 6: put this insallation here and that and that's going right

856
00:49:19,295 --> 00:49:22,855
Speaker 6: in about twelve months time. So all new builds and

857
00:49:22,935 --> 00:49:26,335
Speaker 6: all renovations, all building consents will need to be either

858
00:49:26,535 --> 00:49:30,655
Speaker 6: using a calculation method or a modeling method. So there's

859
00:49:30,695 --> 00:49:32,495
Speaker 6: going to be a lot more modeling. What I did

860
00:49:32,815 --> 00:49:35,095
Speaker 6: in the case that I was involved in, I went

861
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Speaker 6: to a building surveyor who undertakes this energy modeling and

862
00:49:39,695 --> 00:49:42,255
Speaker 6: asked them to create It's not a real model. It's

863
00:49:42,295 --> 00:49:46,015
Speaker 6: a digital model of the environment, and that determined the

864
00:49:46,015 --> 00:49:50,015
Speaker 6: heating calculation. It's much more nuanced, it's much more understanding

865
00:49:50,055 --> 00:49:53,335
Speaker 6: of the physical elements of the building, and that's what

866
00:49:53,495 --> 00:49:56,175
Speaker 6: that's the heating requirement that I got. Bearing in mind

867
00:49:56,215 --> 00:49:59,215
Speaker 6: that in my situation, the situation I was involved in,

868
00:49:59,815 --> 00:50:03,815
Speaker 6: one healthy homes assessor determined that it required four kilowatts

869
00:50:03,815 --> 00:50:11,135
Speaker 6: of heating. The determination, scientifically based ended up being point

870
00:50:11,335 --> 00:50:12,055
Speaker 6: five to seven.

871
00:50:13,215 --> 00:50:15,855
Speaker 13: That's exactly pretty much like Field, it was a quarter.

872
00:50:16,135 --> 00:50:19,055
Speaker 6: So I think if you had a look for building

873
00:50:19,095 --> 00:50:22,495
Speaker 6: surveyors or energy modeling, you will find someone who's doing

874
00:50:22,535 --> 00:50:22,975
Speaker 6: that work.

875
00:50:24,135 --> 00:50:29,655
Speaker 13: Fantastic people. Okay, really appreciate that trouble And just one

876
00:50:29,975 --> 00:50:36,455
Speaker 13: poll up question, just briefly, it is a tendant able

877
00:50:36,495 --> 00:50:39,695
Speaker 13: to request a healthy homes assessment without going through the landlord.

878
00:50:40,135 --> 00:50:44,095
Speaker 13: Must a landlord my understanding of the landlord cannot refuse it,

879
00:50:44,175 --> 00:50:46,775
Speaker 13: but they have to be notified that it's going to occur.

880
00:50:47,935 --> 00:50:49,975
Speaker 6: I would think you're right in terms of being notified.

881
00:50:51,175 --> 00:50:54,335
Speaker 6: It's interesting. Yeah, it's an interesting one. I'm just trying

882
00:50:54,375 --> 00:50:56,575
Speaker 6: to think about the circumstances why someone would do that,

883
00:50:57,015 --> 00:51:00,815
Speaker 6: because you know, potentially another challenge to that. And I'm

884
00:51:00,855 --> 00:51:03,575
Speaker 6: a big supporter of healthy homes, right, I think it's great.

885
00:51:04,655 --> 00:51:07,335
Speaker 6: I think that landlords have got a way worth renting

886
00:51:07,375 --> 00:51:10,695
Speaker 6: out really appalling properties for too long. So good. I

887
00:51:10,695 --> 00:51:15,295
Speaker 6: think it's great. But there is also there is also

888
00:51:15,335 --> 00:51:19,855
Speaker 6: the possibility that an unscrupulous landlord will contract someone who

889
00:51:20,055 --> 00:51:23,055
Speaker 6: just tells them what they want to hear, right, And

890
00:51:23,095 --> 00:51:25,535
Speaker 6: in that case, you might have properties that have a

891
00:51:25,535 --> 00:51:28,855
Speaker 6: healthy home assessment done and a standard that says it

892
00:51:28,895 --> 00:51:31,495
Speaker 6: complies when they don't, and so a tenant in that

893
00:51:31,575 --> 00:51:34,455
Speaker 6: instance maybe smells a rat and goes, I'm going to

894
00:51:34,495 --> 00:51:37,215
Speaker 6: get my own healthy homes assessment done. Whether or not

895
00:51:37,255 --> 00:51:39,815
Speaker 6: they need to inform the landlord, that's a really good question.

896
00:51:41,335 --> 00:51:46,015
Speaker 6: Certainly we know that every new tenancy new tendency agreement

897
00:51:46,095 --> 00:51:48,455
Speaker 6: you must have a healthy homes assessment attached to that

898
00:51:48,575 --> 00:51:54,295
Speaker 6: and you have to offer it to the tenant, right, Okay, yep,

899
00:51:55,335 --> 00:51:57,735
Speaker 6: that's a very good question. Though I might do a

900
00:51:57,735 --> 00:51:58,735
Speaker 6: bit of reading about that.

901
00:51:59,775 --> 00:52:02,935
Speaker 13: Okay, I appreciate it. Yeah, because of course that's a

902
00:52:02,975 --> 00:52:05,935
Speaker 13: two way street, it is. Yeah.

903
00:52:06,455 --> 00:52:09,135
Speaker 6: Again, you know, this would be so much simpler if

904
00:52:09,215 --> 00:52:11,895
Speaker 6: we said, or if the government said, in order to

905
00:52:11,975 --> 00:52:15,255
Speaker 6: undertake a healthy homes assessment, you need to have some qualification.

906
00:52:15,335 --> 00:52:17,295
Speaker 6: Now that might be as simple as you've got to

907
00:52:17,295 --> 00:52:20,335
Speaker 6: be an LBP building. Right at least you understand what

908
00:52:20,375 --> 00:52:25,055
Speaker 6: the building is, or you're a designer, or you've got

909
00:52:25,215 --> 00:52:29,175
Speaker 6: some sort of qualification that indicates that you have the

910
00:52:29,215 --> 00:52:32,615
Speaker 6: core competency to undertake this. And right now, to the

911
00:52:32,615 --> 00:52:34,175
Speaker 6: best of my knowledge, it's not there.

912
00:52:35,095 --> 00:52:35,335
Speaker 5: Yeah.

913
00:52:35,375 --> 00:52:37,855
Speaker 13: Well in this particular case, I mean, the room's got

914
00:52:37,895 --> 00:52:40,335
Speaker 13: thermal drugs, it's got carved on the floor, and that

915
00:52:40,455 --> 00:52:41,855
Speaker 13: none of that's taken a look cout.

916
00:52:41,975 --> 00:52:43,815
Speaker 6: No, it's not because those things are movable.

917
00:52:44,775 --> 00:52:48,535
Speaker 13: Yeah, I understand, Yeah, but I mean a physical reality.

918
00:52:50,895 --> 00:52:51,895
Speaker 13: I really appreciate that.

919
00:52:52,135 --> 00:52:55,935
Speaker 6: Great talking with you. Great talking with you, And there

920
00:52:55,935 --> 00:52:57,655
Speaker 6: are plenty of people out there who'll be able to

921
00:52:57,655 --> 00:52:58,135
Speaker 6: help you with.

922
00:52:58,135 --> 00:52:59,855
Speaker 5: Us, I hope.

923
00:52:59,935 --> 00:53:02,935
Speaker 13: So scratching my hand to remember the conversation.

924
00:53:03,055 --> 00:53:05,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you have trouble, come back to me

925
00:53:05,215 --> 00:53:07,815
Speaker 6: and I'll put you in touch with all the best. John,

926
00:53:08,215 --> 00:53:11,695
Speaker 6: take care all the radio eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

927
00:53:11,735 --> 00:53:14,335
Speaker 6: We've got Jay who'll be available in just a moment,

928
00:53:14,335 --> 00:53:16,175
Speaker 6: So we'll just crack through a couple of calls and

929
00:53:16,175 --> 00:53:18,495
Speaker 6: then we'll talk to Jay about all things painting. Eve,

930
00:53:18,575 --> 00:53:20,775
Speaker 6: good morning, Good morning.

931
00:53:22,335 --> 00:53:26,135
Speaker 14: I'm an epoxy novice, yes, and I want to fix

932
00:53:26,215 --> 00:53:31,455
Speaker 14: something to the wall using the epoxy. And I know

933
00:53:31,495 --> 00:53:34,775
Speaker 14: it's one april parts, but it's so runny.

934
00:53:35,015 --> 00:53:39,575
Speaker 6: But what what would you want to fix to the

935
00:53:39,655 --> 00:53:41,015
Speaker 6: wall with a possy.

936
00:53:42,455 --> 00:53:44,215
Speaker 14: It's yeah, coat wreck.

937
00:53:46,095 --> 00:53:50,855
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know the whole point of they're

938
00:53:50,975 --> 00:53:53,535
Speaker 6: very permanent, right, if it's going on, it ain't coming

939
00:53:53,575 --> 00:53:54,055
Speaker 6: off again.

940
00:53:54,935 --> 00:53:55,935
Speaker 8: No, I don't mind that.

941
00:53:56,255 --> 00:54:00,175
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, I put my some heavy things on and

942
00:54:00,855 --> 00:54:01,815
Speaker 11: there's not a lot.

943
00:54:01,695 --> 00:54:05,415
Speaker 6: Of but remember that when you if you're going to

944
00:54:05,415 --> 00:54:08,975
Speaker 6: glue the coat right to the wall, it's only glued

945
00:54:09,255 --> 00:54:12,775
Speaker 6: to the surface, right, So in effect, you're bluing it

946
00:54:12,815 --> 00:54:16,215
Speaker 6: to the paint. And what's to stop the paint coming

947
00:54:16,255 --> 00:54:21,055
Speaker 6: off the wall? So I would suggest that you look

948
00:54:21,095 --> 00:54:25,095
Speaker 6: at you know, like screw fixing it or something like that,

949
00:54:25,175 --> 00:54:26,695
Speaker 6: even if it's got to be a toggle, if it's

950
00:54:26,735 --> 00:54:29,695
Speaker 6: into plaster board and there's no because that I think

951
00:54:29,815 --> 00:54:32,535
Speaker 6: just gluing to the wall will mean that you're just

952
00:54:32,855 --> 00:54:35,255
Speaker 6: like literally glued to the paint. And I don't know

953
00:54:35,295 --> 00:54:40,455
Speaker 6: that that will that will work terribly well. We can

954
00:54:40,455 --> 00:54:42,815
Speaker 6: take another quick call from Mark and then we're talking

955
00:54:42,855 --> 00:54:44,335
Speaker 6: to Jay, our painting expert.

956
00:54:44,335 --> 00:54:47,775
Speaker 15: Hello, Mark, Hey, good morning. I just foll up with

957
00:54:47,935 --> 00:54:50,655
Speaker 15: the previous call, so I make feel a proppy manager.

958
00:54:50,775 --> 00:54:54,335
Speaker 15: And yes, tenants can get healthy home assessments done for themselves.

959
00:54:54,655 --> 00:54:58,215
Speaker 15: I myself have had that casey nine to nine the time.

960
00:54:58,215 --> 00:55:01,175
Speaker 15: It's because they're experiencing mold issues and like you rightly

961
00:55:01,215 --> 00:55:04,295
Speaker 15: point it out, they don't trust the previous assessment and

962
00:55:04,935 --> 00:55:08,815
Speaker 15: people don't know that assessments actually like they expire, you

963
00:55:08,855 --> 00:55:11,015
Speaker 15: actually have to get them redone.

964
00:55:11,415 --> 00:55:13,415
Speaker 6: But can I just ask you a question on that?

965
00:55:14,175 --> 00:55:17,855
Speaker 6: So when you say they expire, so let's say you

966
00:55:18,335 --> 00:55:22,095
Speaker 6: issue or have a healthy homes assessment done prior to occupancy,

967
00:55:22,175 --> 00:55:24,535
Speaker 6: the tenant stays for a year, and a new tenant

968
00:55:24,575 --> 00:55:28,175
Speaker 6: moves in a year later, can you use the existing

969
00:55:28,255 --> 00:55:31,655
Speaker 6: healthy homes assessment for the next tenant a year later.

970
00:55:33,055 --> 00:55:36,615
Speaker 15: Technically, it really depends on the warranty that their company provides.

971
00:55:36,735 --> 00:55:39,335
Speaker 15: Like one of my clients to stay and enable, they

972
00:55:39,975 --> 00:55:43,575
Speaker 15: warranty their healthy Home assessments for up to three years.

973
00:55:43,775 --> 00:55:45,815
Speaker 5: But they they're.

974
00:55:45,775 --> 00:55:49,575
Speaker 15: Home that their HA two qualified, so the HA is

975
00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:51,375
Speaker 15: a really good one for people to look out for.

976
00:55:52,855 --> 00:55:57,655
Speaker 15: A yeah, yeah, so it takes people through the entire course.

977
00:55:58,095 --> 00:56:00,335
Speaker 15: They learn all the bits and pieces and what kinds

978
00:56:00,335 --> 00:56:02,735
Speaker 15: of heating is acceptable, and how to measure out of

979
00:56:02,775 --> 00:56:05,015
Speaker 15: room and all the rest of it. I myself an

980
00:56:05,135 --> 00:56:09,175
Speaker 15: HA one level qualified, so yeah, it gets really technical.

981
00:56:09,775 --> 00:56:13,855
Speaker 15: It's not for the same pass. But for my question,

982
00:56:14,535 --> 00:56:17,655
Speaker 15: I have a situation. I'm a tenant and I've had

983
00:56:17,695 --> 00:56:19,615
Speaker 15: a situation where three and a half years ago, I

984
00:56:19,735 --> 00:56:25,775
Speaker 15: reported a unhealthy staircase external staircase. It goes up to

985
00:56:25,815 --> 00:56:30,095
Speaker 15: the second story and the I don't know, forgive me,

986
00:56:30,095 --> 00:56:32,775
Speaker 15: I don't know the jargon, but the triangle pieces that

987
00:56:32,895 --> 00:56:35,495
Speaker 15: hold up the steps that sit on top of the

988
00:56:35,935 --> 00:56:41,695
Speaker 15: two by ten they were splitting apart, and incidentally, in

989
00:56:41,735 --> 00:56:46,655
Speaker 15: the last weekend storm, the entire rail came off. And

990
00:56:46,975 --> 00:56:49,455
Speaker 15: my understanding, because this is the seventies home this time,

991
00:56:49,815 --> 00:56:52,135
Speaker 15: the staircase would have been built around then, the prior

992
00:56:52,175 --> 00:56:54,375
Speaker 15: building code would have required that they last at least

993
00:56:54,415 --> 00:56:59,135
Speaker 15: thirsty years. My other concern is that when the new

994
00:56:59,175 --> 00:57:03,655
Speaker 15: staircase gets eventually put in, the current one prevents my

995
00:57:03,735 --> 00:57:07,695
Speaker 15: bedroom window from opening. And I'm wondering if if it's

996
00:57:07,695 --> 00:57:12,015
Speaker 15: still compliant with current building code. If it blocks a

997
00:57:12,415 --> 00:57:13,735
Speaker 15: window being opened.

998
00:57:15,495 --> 00:57:18,575
Speaker 6: Well, I suppose this is where two parts of the

999
00:57:18,575 --> 00:57:22,215
Speaker 6: building intersect and one impacts on the other. So obviously

1000
00:57:22,295 --> 00:57:24,895
Speaker 6: a new staircase needs to be compliant with the current

1001
00:57:24,935 --> 00:57:27,935
Speaker 6: code in terms of height and you know the going

1002
00:57:27,975 --> 00:57:30,415
Speaker 6: and the run and those sorts of things. Also because

1003
00:57:30,415 --> 00:57:35,535
Speaker 6: you're wasn't bolted. Yeah, okay, so new staircase goes in

1004
00:57:35,775 --> 00:57:37,975
Speaker 6: and then the problem is that it means you can't

1005
00:57:38,015 --> 00:57:41,735
Speaker 6: open the window, which means that the ventilation requirements of

1006
00:57:41,775 --> 00:57:46,855
Speaker 6: the code are not met, in which case one part

1007
00:57:47,015 --> 00:57:51,855
Speaker 6: one pathway to compliance blocks another effectively, quite literally and figuratively.

1008
00:57:53,215 --> 00:57:57,015
Speaker 6: So that would be an issue for the landlord in

1009
00:57:57,135 --> 00:57:59,655
Speaker 6: terms of then having a property that wouldn't meet the

1010
00:57:59,695 --> 00:58:02,975
Speaker 6: requirements of the Healthy Homes Act, nor would it meet

1011
00:58:03,015 --> 00:58:06,095
Speaker 6: the requirements Building Code. Yeah.

1012
00:58:06,335 --> 00:58:09,415
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, it's one of those situations where

1013
00:58:09,415 --> 00:58:11,815
Speaker 15: we get to allow we're allowed to have our dogs,

1014
00:58:12,415 --> 00:58:14,855
Speaker 15: and so there's a lot of things that we One

1015
00:58:14,895 --> 00:58:18,975
Speaker 15: other thing I forgot to mention is the tenants should

1016
00:58:18,975 --> 00:58:22,375
Speaker 15: be aware that the house must comply within one hundred

1017
00:58:22,415 --> 00:58:24,895
Speaker 15: and twenty days of every renewed tenancy So if you're

1018
00:58:24,895 --> 00:58:27,375
Speaker 15: on a fixed term and you've finished your fixed term

1019
00:58:27,375 --> 00:58:29,935
Speaker 15: and you moved to a periodic after one year or

1020
00:58:30,095 --> 00:58:32,335
Speaker 15: six months, if you've got a six month fixed term,

1021
00:58:32,735 --> 00:58:34,935
Speaker 15: your landlord needs one hundred and twenty days to comply.

1022
00:58:35,455 --> 00:58:38,055
Speaker 15: So for example, we signed in the stember between twenty

1023
00:58:38,055 --> 00:58:42,535
Speaker 15: one and well he's you know, eventually when it gets

1024
00:58:42,535 --> 00:58:45,455
Speaker 15: to the end of tendency, we'll raise it at the tribunal.

1025
00:58:45,775 --> 00:58:49,735
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, the tribunal is going to be busy now.

1026
00:58:50,895 --> 00:58:53,855
Speaker 6: But all tenancies now must comply. So all of the

1027
00:58:53,895 --> 00:58:57,535
Speaker 6: exemptions are over. So whether you've got a sitting tenant

1028
00:58:57,695 --> 00:59:02,535
Speaker 6: or not, you're built your lettable property, your residential tenancy

1029
00:59:03,335 --> 00:59:06,295
Speaker 6: building needs to comply now there's no more exemptions.

1030
00:59:07,135 --> 00:59:09,735
Speaker 15: Correct. And if you're a landlord and you want to

1031
00:59:09,735 --> 00:59:12,615
Speaker 15: put a tenant into your property and you think you

1032
00:59:12,655 --> 00:59:14,975
Speaker 15: can just sit on your hands and you know, maybe

1033
00:59:14,975 --> 00:59:16,655
Speaker 15: for a couple of months work with a tenants to

1034
00:59:16,655 --> 00:59:19,615
Speaker 15: get your health in a client to be complied given

1035
00:59:19,655 --> 00:59:22,415
Speaker 15: and a half grand worth to punish it. I've just

1036
00:59:22,495 --> 00:59:26,575
Speaker 15: gone through multiple tribunal cases and for exactly this case,

1037
00:59:26,655 --> 00:59:29,855
Speaker 15: new tenant moves in. Landlord needs to upgrade the heat

1038
00:59:29,935 --> 00:59:32,415
Speaker 15: pump is give me a couple of weeks slap with

1039
00:59:32,615 --> 00:59:33,775
Speaker 15: six and a half grand fine.

1040
00:59:34,095 --> 00:59:38,175
Speaker 6: You've got to do it straight away. Yeah, there's a

1041
00:59:38,215 --> 00:59:39,655
Speaker 6: lot to talk about in that, but we don't have

1042
00:59:39,695 --> 00:59:41,775
Speaker 6: time right now. I hete really appreciate you calling all

1043
00:59:41,815 --> 00:59:48,415
Speaker 6: the very best to you. Take care. It is a

1044
00:59:48,415 --> 00:59:51,575
Speaker 6: problem with the healthy home standards. That the healthy home

1045
00:59:51,575 --> 00:59:54,935
Speaker 6: standards not a problem. And it's not a terribly high

1046
00:59:54,935 --> 00:59:58,415
Speaker 6: bar either, right, So I have no time for landlords

1047
00:59:58,935 --> 01:00:02,175
Speaker 6: who would say, look, you know it's better than my

1048
01:00:02,215 --> 01:00:06,095
Speaker 6: own house. Well that's your problem, right. The standard is

1049
01:00:06,135 --> 01:00:11,335
Speaker 6: not that high. But to impose a standard and then

1050
01:00:11,655 --> 01:00:17,655
Speaker 6: to not regulate or set standards for the people undertaking

1051
01:00:17,695 --> 01:00:21,575
Speaker 6: the inspections, I think is foolish and probably needs That

1052
01:00:21,695 --> 01:00:23,655
Speaker 6: might be a good thing to talk about with the Minister,

1053
01:00:24,455 --> 01:00:26,775
Speaker 6: But to be fair, I think by the time I

1054
01:00:26,855 --> 01:00:28,775
Speaker 6: let you guys loose on the Minister, I won't have

1055
01:00:28,815 --> 01:00:31,095
Speaker 6: a lot of time to talk with him about anything.

1056
01:00:31,655 --> 01:00:34,255
Speaker 6: We will make a real effort next week, I promise

1057
01:00:34,295 --> 01:00:37,215
Speaker 6: you that will take as many texts as we can

1058
01:00:37,295 --> 01:00:39,055
Speaker 6: for Chris Pink when he joins me in the studio

1059
01:00:39,175 --> 01:00:42,135
Speaker 6: next week, which I'm really looking forward to. Radio If

1060
01:00:42,215 --> 01:00:44,855
Speaker 6: you've got a painting question, text them through right now.

1061
01:00:44,855 --> 01:00:47,135
Speaker 6: I've got a couple of great ones already. Jay, our

1062
01:00:47,215 --> 01:00:50,175
Speaker 6: painting expert from the good people at Razine with us

1063
01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:51,055
Speaker 6: straight after.

1064
01:00:50,815 --> 01:00:53,975
Speaker 1: The break doing up the house, storting the garden, asked

1065
01:00:54,015 --> 01:00:57,815
Speaker 1: Pete for a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call.

1066
01:00:59,495 --> 01:01:01,495
Speaker 5: News talks be your.

1067
01:01:01,415 --> 01:01:04,855
Speaker 6: News talks 'd be and bang on time or in

1068
01:01:04,895 --> 01:01:07,695
Speaker 6: fact I'm a little late. Hey Jay from Razine, A

1069
01:01:07,895 --> 01:01:08,815
Speaker 6: very good morning to you.

1070
01:01:10,255 --> 01:01:10,615
Speaker 16: How are you?

1071
01:01:10,735 --> 01:01:16,415
Speaker 6: I'm very well, Thank you very much. Oh Taylor of

1072
01:01:16,415 --> 01:01:18,935
Speaker 6: Two Cities, wasn't it you would have been watching the

1073
01:01:18,975 --> 01:01:20,535
Speaker 6: footy on Friday night going.

1074
01:01:21,975 --> 01:01:27,535
Speaker 16: A little bit annoyed with that last night?

1075
01:01:27,775 --> 01:01:28,055
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1076
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Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, look, we'll we'll move on. We'll move on.

1077
01:01:32,015 --> 01:01:37,055
Speaker 6: Next week's another week. I'm pottering around the other day

1078
01:01:37,135 --> 01:01:38,895
Speaker 6: and suddenly I look at my watch and I realized

1079
01:01:38,975 --> 01:01:41,615
Speaker 6: jets at six o'clock and it's still light outside. Right,

1080
01:01:42,055 --> 01:01:45,815
Speaker 6: So you know, it's great. It happens every year, funnily enough.

1081
01:01:45,855 --> 01:01:49,895
Speaker 6: But we can start to have some optimism, some sense

1082
01:01:49,895 --> 01:01:53,135
Speaker 6: of anticipation for the coming summer, in which case we

1083
01:01:53,175 --> 01:01:56,575
Speaker 6: can start to think about painting outdoors again. With a

1084
01:01:56,575 --> 01:01:59,935
Speaker 6: little bit more time to either start a bit earlier

1085
01:02:00,095 --> 01:02:02,575
Speaker 6: work a little bit later. You know things will start

1086
01:02:02,575 --> 01:02:08,175
Speaker 6: to dry a little bit easier when you look at problems,

1087
01:02:08,175 --> 01:02:10,215
Speaker 6: because I know you go out and do the troubleshooting

1088
01:02:10,255 --> 01:02:13,015
Speaker 6: for Raizine as well, and you look at someone who goes, look,

1089
01:02:13,055 --> 01:02:15,815
Speaker 6: I've just painted the house that's peeling off. What's the issue.

1090
01:02:16,495 --> 01:02:20,895
Speaker 16: Typically, let's say, although yes, it is getting lighter in

1091
01:02:20,935 --> 01:02:24,415
Speaker 16: the morning and ye lighter later in the day, the

1092
01:02:24,455 --> 01:02:27,375
Speaker 16: temperature is still up and down, so you think about

1093
01:02:27,415 --> 01:02:30,655
Speaker 16: the temperature as well, Like obviously you need to finish

1094
01:02:30,775 --> 01:02:33,855
Speaker 16: painting to give the paint enough time to dry before

1095
01:02:33,895 --> 01:02:37,695
Speaker 16: the dew point hits. So although it's light, it's sort

1096
01:02:37,695 --> 01:02:41,935
Speaker 16: of still around six o'clock, south side of the property

1097
01:02:42,095 --> 01:02:45,935
Speaker 16: might not be in light. It might already be cold

1098
01:02:45,975 --> 01:02:48,775
Speaker 16: and starting to get a little bit damp. So so

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01:02:49,295 --> 01:02:50,855
Speaker 16: I think I say every time I come on, if

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01:02:50,895 --> 01:02:53,335
Speaker 16: you're going to do exterior work, planet and think about

1101
01:02:53,375 --> 01:02:57,335
Speaker 16: it and finish in those areas early enough to allow

1102
01:02:57,375 --> 01:02:58,095
Speaker 16: the paint to dry.

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01:02:58,295 --> 01:02:58,575
Speaker 5: Right.

1104
01:02:58,695 --> 01:03:00,935
Speaker 16: So a lot of the time when we go out,

1105
01:03:01,735 --> 01:03:05,655
Speaker 16: the issues are relating to the environmental conditions when the

1106
01:03:05,695 --> 01:03:09,335
Speaker 16: paint was actually applied or after it's being applied and

1107
01:03:09,375 --> 01:03:11,135
Speaker 16: it's drying, yes.

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01:03:12,895 --> 01:03:15,375
Speaker 6: Right, so allowing sufficient time for it to dry. And

1109
01:03:15,695 --> 01:03:18,655
Speaker 6: I guess drying is more than just touch dry, isn't it.

1110
01:03:19,335 --> 01:03:19,735
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1111
01:03:19,855 --> 01:03:23,695
Speaker 16: Yeah, So, like I said, reco time on most of

1112
01:03:23,735 --> 01:03:25,695
Speaker 16: the waterborne paints is a few hours.

1113
01:03:25,855 --> 01:03:26,055
Speaker 5: Yep.

1114
01:03:26,375 --> 01:03:29,135
Speaker 16: So that that's kind of way were saying. During winter

1115
01:03:29,295 --> 01:03:31,775
Speaker 16: finish around two o'clock, so you've got a good couple

1116
01:03:31,815 --> 01:03:35,215
Speaker 16: of hours before it starts getting darker and colder.

1117
01:03:35,455 --> 01:03:38,815
Speaker 6: Right, right, we're getting in six coming through. Let's start

1118
01:03:38,855 --> 01:03:41,215
Speaker 6: with the most challenging one that I think I've seen

1119
01:03:41,255 --> 01:03:43,775
Speaker 6: for a little while ago. For a little while, the

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01:03:43,975 --> 01:03:47,455
Speaker 6: question is what do you do for a ceiling If

1121
01:03:47,455 --> 01:03:50,495
Speaker 6: a rat has peed in the roof cavity and there

1122
01:03:50,575 --> 01:03:53,655
Speaker 6: is a stain on the ceiling, Well, that's got to

1123
01:03:53,695 --> 01:03:56,255
Speaker 6: be a serious amount of rat pee for it to

1124
01:03:56,255 --> 01:03:58,575
Speaker 6: be evident on the underside. But that's what we've.

1125
01:03:58,375 --> 01:04:06,055
Speaker 16: Got, is it? I suppose trigger kind of like moisture damage. Right,

1126
01:04:07,415 --> 01:04:11,135
Speaker 16: if it's that much weed that's come through, is it

1127
01:04:11,175 --> 01:04:13,495
Speaker 16: all soft and damaged or is it just staining?

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01:04:13,975 --> 01:04:14,175
Speaker 13: Good?

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01:04:14,175 --> 01:04:18,615
Speaker 16: But I suppose if it's just staining, we've got let's

1130
01:04:18,615 --> 01:04:21,135
Speaker 16: say we've got water borne shore seal. It's going to

1131
01:04:21,215 --> 01:04:24,055
Speaker 16: help block it out. Ye've got solvent born shore seal,

1132
01:04:24,175 --> 01:04:26,775
Speaker 16: which will help block it out, and we've got a

1133
01:04:26,815 --> 01:04:31,895
Speaker 16: water born stain lock, all of which should help block

1134
01:04:31,975 --> 01:04:33,975
Speaker 16: it out. But i'd say cleaner as best you can

1135
01:04:34,055 --> 01:04:39,695
Speaker 16: first to remove any residue, and then yeah, he use

1136
01:04:39,735 --> 01:04:43,615
Speaker 16: one of the stain blockers and then to the top.

1137
01:04:45,135 --> 01:04:45,935
Speaker 16: That's a good question.

1138
01:04:46,375 --> 01:04:48,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, you know, but I mean often if

1139
01:04:48,855 --> 01:04:51,695
Speaker 6: we're talking, like, for example, the other thing that often

1140
01:04:51,775 --> 01:04:57,895
Speaker 6: stained ceilings is those little automatic aerosold.

1141
01:04:56,655 --> 01:05:01,375
Speaker 16: Say the same thing. Yes, so again, shore seal does

1142
01:05:01,455 --> 01:05:05,895
Speaker 16: a good job of blocking that in, maybe, depending on

1143
01:05:05,935 --> 01:05:08,935
Speaker 16: how bad it is. I've seen some that are pretty horrendous. Yes,

1144
01:05:09,535 --> 01:05:11,655
Speaker 16: do a couple of coats, but obviously you want to

1145
01:05:11,695 --> 01:05:14,295
Speaker 16: clean as much of it off, right, and before you

1146
01:05:14,335 --> 01:05:16,895
Speaker 16: start applying any sealers over the top?

1147
01:05:17,215 --> 01:05:21,255
Speaker 6: All right, perfect ten year old plaster over brick house

1148
01:05:21,295 --> 01:05:24,215
Speaker 6: that needs painting, a housewash and two top coats. Question

1149
01:05:24,295 --> 01:05:27,535
Speaker 6: mark from mark. So ten year old plaster over.

1150
01:05:27,375 --> 01:05:32,495
Speaker 16: Brick there's never been sealed or painted? Or is it

1151
01:05:32,695 --> 01:05:33,335
Speaker 16: just a repaint?

1152
01:05:33,535 --> 01:05:35,295
Speaker 6: No, I think it's going to let's assume that it's

1153
01:05:35,335 --> 01:05:39,095
Speaker 6: a repaint, So it's some straight render over the top

1154
01:05:39,175 --> 01:05:40,815
Speaker 6: maybe so you can see all the bricks and that

1155
01:05:40,895 --> 01:05:42,455
Speaker 6: sort of thing. Maybe slightly rough past.

1156
01:05:43,975 --> 01:05:47,775
Speaker 16: Yeah, so any bear areas that are back to brick,

1157
01:05:47,815 --> 01:05:50,735
Speaker 16: if any of the paint's broken down, the plasters back

1158
01:05:50,775 --> 01:05:55,095
Speaker 16: to brick, maybe damaged areas. Spot prime that with solvent

1159
01:05:55,095 --> 01:06:00,655
Speaker 16: born shawteel and then over the top you could use Aquashield,

1160
01:06:00,695 --> 01:06:04,215
Speaker 16: which is a mineral flat. You could use Lumbersider, which

1161
01:06:04,255 --> 01:06:08,695
Speaker 16: is lochine. You could use Sonnets which is semigloss, but

1162
01:06:10,055 --> 01:06:12,935
Speaker 16: having that extra gloss might look a little bit odd

1163
01:06:12,975 --> 01:06:17,495
Speaker 16: on the textured plaster. Or you could use was Enux

1164
01:06:17,575 --> 01:06:21,575
Speaker 16: seven hundred right, Okay, so the multiple options, Yeah, depending

1165
01:06:21,655 --> 01:06:22,895
Speaker 16: on what sort of finished you're after.

1166
01:06:23,695 --> 01:06:27,015
Speaker 6: Okay, perfect, and again always about preparation.

1167
01:06:27,135 --> 01:06:32,015
Speaker 16: A yeah, real good clean treat running moss and mold

1168
01:06:32,135 --> 01:06:34,255
Speaker 16: with the moss and molecular and then give it a

1169
01:06:34,295 --> 01:06:38,455
Speaker 16: good clean down with I was in paint prepping the housewolds.

1170
01:06:37,615 --> 01:06:42,535
Speaker 6: Perfect right, painting question. Metal flashings above our windows are rusty.

1171
01:06:42,615 --> 01:06:45,175
Speaker 6: I sented them back to metal and rust and put

1172
01:06:45,175 --> 01:06:48,735
Speaker 6: some rust converter on them, then coated with some gray

1173
01:06:48,855 --> 01:06:51,855
Speaker 6: rustkill primer, then top coated with the house color. A

1174
01:06:51,895 --> 01:06:55,415
Speaker 6: few months later, they're rusting through again onto the cedar weatherboard.

1175
01:06:55,455 --> 01:06:57,455
Speaker 6: So it's nineteen sixty seven house. What do I do?

1176
01:06:58,295 --> 01:06:59,735
Speaker 6: Where's the rust coming from?

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01:07:00,735 --> 01:07:04,615
Speaker 16: Yeah, obviously you can treat the area and you can

1178
01:07:04,655 --> 01:07:08,935
Speaker 16: paint it to change the appearance, but that doesn't stop

1179
01:07:09,895 --> 01:07:13,815
Speaker 16: whatever is causing the rust. Yes, so there's moisture getting

1180
01:07:13,815 --> 01:07:16,615
Speaker 16: in somewhere that's causing it. It's kind of find that

1181
01:07:16,815 --> 01:07:19,415
Speaker 16: ingress point or what the cause of the issue is

1182
01:07:19,495 --> 01:07:24,495
Speaker 16: in fix that our recommendation for that. We've got an

1183
01:07:24,775 --> 01:07:27,455
Speaker 16: armor x RUS cedar that could go over to us.

1184
01:07:27,615 --> 01:07:30,455
Speaker 16: Then you've got GP medal primer. I think it's actually

1185
01:07:30,615 --> 01:07:33,615
Speaker 16: armor x GP medal primer now, and then you'd go

1186
01:07:34,055 --> 01:07:38,215
Speaker 16: summit roof over the top or sonics or lumbersider, whichever

1187
01:07:38,295 --> 01:07:41,335
Speaker 16: sort of finish you've got in the house. On the

1188
01:07:41,335 --> 01:07:44,815
Speaker 16: flashings see the house, it's probably stayed.

1189
01:07:45,175 --> 01:07:48,695
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, okay, thank you for that morning, Pete. I

1190
01:07:48,735 --> 01:07:52,375
Speaker 6: need to reputty a correct window sash, and a builder

1191
01:07:52,375 --> 01:07:55,695
Speaker 6: has told me it depends on the sash would type

1192
01:07:56,055 --> 01:07:58,255
Speaker 6: whether to paint it first, like a primer or not.

1193
01:07:58,295 --> 01:08:01,535
Speaker 6: I think it's cedar if so what paint now? Can

1194
01:08:01,575 --> 01:08:05,455
Speaker 6: I offer up an opinion here, if it's a painted sash,

1195
01:08:05,935 --> 01:08:08,295
Speaker 6: you may just paint all of the rebates before you

1196
01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:12,295
Speaker 6: do the glazing. Right, So on Cedar, what primer would

1197
01:08:12,295 --> 01:08:12,855
Speaker 6: you recommend?

1198
01:08:14,775 --> 01:08:21,975
Speaker 16: We got razine wood primer, solvent born Primal, right, just

1199
01:08:22,015 --> 01:08:25,535
Speaker 16: think that would be my go to. Just rezine wood

1200
01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:29,455
Speaker 16: primer and all of that, and then whichever putty you use,

1201
01:08:29,855 --> 01:08:33,535
Speaker 16: check to see what they recommend that would go over that. Yes,

1202
01:08:33,735 --> 01:08:37,055
Speaker 16: some will be certain time frames and would have to

1203
01:08:37,055 --> 01:08:39,855
Speaker 16: be an oil based system. Some will sipulate you can

1204
01:08:39,895 --> 01:08:41,535
Speaker 16: do it within a couple of days and use a

1205
01:08:41,615 --> 01:08:45,455
Speaker 16: water based So just double check whatever putty you use,

1206
01:08:45,495 --> 01:08:46,335
Speaker 16: what they recommend.

1207
01:08:46,495 --> 01:08:48,975
Speaker 6: Because the good old fashioned sort of lincid oil putty

1208
01:08:49,255 --> 01:08:52,615
Speaker 6: generally you needed to let that skin off and then

1209
01:08:52,775 --> 01:08:55,655
Speaker 6: paint it. But now today these other glazing putties that

1210
01:08:55,695 --> 01:08:57,895
Speaker 6: you can put paint much earlier.

1211
01:08:58,615 --> 01:09:00,535
Speaker 16: That's it. So some of the linseeeds you'd have to

1212
01:09:00,575 --> 01:09:03,495
Speaker 16: wait two three weeks before you could do anything with it.

1213
01:09:04,655 --> 01:09:08,415
Speaker 16: Now we've got repair Care I seel MP, which you

1214
01:09:08,455 --> 01:09:10,655
Speaker 16: can go over with the water based primal within.

1215
01:09:10,415 --> 01:09:15,055
Speaker 5: A couple of hours. Well, yeah, so there's.

1216
01:09:14,855 --> 01:09:18,215
Speaker 16: Different options over different prices as well.

1217
01:09:18,535 --> 01:09:22,015
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, of course now we've actually we had

1218
01:09:22,015 --> 01:09:25,335
Speaker 6: a couple of conversations with people today about sort of

1219
01:09:25,375 --> 01:09:28,775
Speaker 6: you know, cleaning up garage floors. For example, in along

1220
01:09:28,815 --> 01:09:31,135
Speaker 6: the same line, someone has ticked through what's the best

1221
01:09:31,175 --> 01:09:34,775
Speaker 6: way to paint a garage floor. Let's assume that, like

1222
01:09:34,895 --> 01:09:38,415
Speaker 6: most garages, it's just concrete with a trail finish. It's

1223
01:09:38,455 --> 01:09:40,855
Speaker 6: probably eighteen fifteen years old, so that's had all of

1224
01:09:40,855 --> 01:09:43,295
Speaker 6: that use, and then you decide I'm going to jure

1225
01:09:43,335 --> 01:09:45,055
Speaker 6: it up by giving it a coat of paint. What's

1226
01:09:45,095 --> 01:09:45,655
Speaker 6: the process?

1227
01:09:46,895 --> 01:09:49,975
Speaker 16: So if you're going to be driving on it, yes,

1228
01:09:50,055 --> 01:09:53,655
Speaker 16: which most garages you do, or the sort of hot

1229
01:09:53,735 --> 01:09:56,695
Speaker 16: tires go in and sat there, you need to do

1230
01:09:56,975 --> 01:10:00,695
Speaker 16: the best prep, which our recommendation is diamond grinding yep.

1231
01:10:01,455 --> 01:10:05,775
Speaker 16: And then you'd be looking at we've got several systems,

1232
01:10:05,895 --> 01:10:09,375
Speaker 16: one with the Usine armor bond followed by three coats

1233
01:10:09,375 --> 01:10:14,695
Speaker 16: of aqua POxy, or we've got euroicreal systems or armor

1234
01:10:14,695 --> 01:10:19,175
Speaker 16: coat five ten. There's several sort of two pot systems

1235
01:10:19,215 --> 01:10:22,255
Speaker 16: to go on the garage floor yep. But it's really

1236
01:10:22,295 --> 01:10:24,815
Speaker 16: the diamond grind that needs to be done just to

1237
01:10:24,815 --> 01:10:29,255
Speaker 16: make sure the surfaces as sound as possible. And let's

1238
01:10:29,295 --> 01:10:33,095
Speaker 16: say if it's not being painted for fifteen twenty years,

1239
01:10:33,735 --> 01:10:36,215
Speaker 16: the coatings are usually breaking down a bit. There's a

1240
01:10:36,255 --> 01:10:39,495
Speaker 16: few bear bear pots spots, and so you kind of

1241
01:10:39,495 --> 01:10:41,935
Speaker 16: need to remove everything can start again.

1242
01:10:42,695 --> 01:10:46,695
Speaker 6: Right, maybe the last one for today, someone's with a

1243
01:10:46,775 --> 01:10:51,615
Speaker 6: dichromastic roof that has some surface rust. That's not a

1244
01:10:51,655 --> 01:10:56,815
Speaker 6: painting question that there's no painting dichromastic roofs unless you're

1245
01:10:56,815 --> 01:10:59,255
Speaker 6: spraying the entire thing and coating at ay, there's no

1246
01:10:59,335 --> 01:10:59,615
Speaker 6: sort of.

1247
01:11:00,255 --> 01:11:04,095
Speaker 16: You can There's lots of people don't like, lots of

1248
01:11:04,135 --> 01:11:09,575
Speaker 16: contractors don't like doing decromassage roofs. There can be easily

1249
01:11:09,615 --> 01:11:12,135
Speaker 16: damaged walk around on. So you need to make sure

1250
01:11:12,455 --> 01:11:14,175
Speaker 16: the person you get to do it and knows what

1251
01:11:14,215 --> 01:11:18,935
Speaker 16: they're doing. And then we've got generally spraying is going

1252
01:11:18,975 --> 01:11:21,575
Speaker 16: to be the easiest option. But I mean, depending on

1253
01:11:21,655 --> 01:11:23,455
Speaker 16: what areas you're trying to touch up, you might be

1254
01:11:23,535 --> 01:11:24,935
Speaker 16: able to do some smaller areas.

1255
01:11:25,095 --> 01:11:25,375
Speaker 5: Yes.

1256
01:11:25,775 --> 01:11:28,895
Speaker 16: Well, if we've got seeing Galvo prime as the primer

1257
01:11:29,495 --> 01:11:31,175
Speaker 16: and then Summit roof over the top.

1258
01:11:31,775 --> 01:11:33,695
Speaker 6: Gotcha, I said it was the last one, but it's not.

1259
01:11:33,735 --> 01:11:37,255
Speaker 6: I'm going to sneak this one and lime we have

1260
01:11:37,415 --> 01:11:41,695
Speaker 6: lime or similar stains on a painted concrete block retaining

1261
01:11:41,735 --> 01:11:44,935
Speaker 6: wall with a plaster to finish, do we just paint

1262
01:11:45,015 --> 01:11:47,615
Speaker 6: over it or is there a treatment for the stains

1263
01:11:47,655 --> 01:11:48,655
Speaker 6: prior to painting.

1264
01:11:50,055 --> 01:11:54,175
Speaker 16: Is it, I suppose is it lime lime stains or

1265
01:11:54,215 --> 01:11:57,735
Speaker 16: is it effhorescence coming through the other side.

1266
01:11:57,975 --> 01:12:01,015
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I'm thinking that it's activated by moisture.

1267
01:12:02,295 --> 01:12:04,775
Speaker 16: Yeah. A lot of the times of those retaining walls

1268
01:12:04,775 --> 01:12:08,775
Speaker 16: are not sealed the other side, so you can keep

1269
01:12:08,855 --> 01:12:12,295
Speaker 16: cleaning and painting the front, but unless you can kind

1270
01:12:12,295 --> 01:12:15,655
Speaker 16: of dig out the other side, dry it out, seal

1271
01:12:15,695 --> 01:12:17,935
Speaker 16: it all up, it's going to be an ongoing issue

1272
01:12:17,935 --> 01:12:22,415
Speaker 16: with that moisture coming through. Sometimes that's feasible, sometimes it isn't.

1273
01:12:22,735 --> 01:12:26,415
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's actually solving the problem, which is the

1274
01:12:26,455 --> 01:12:29,255
Speaker 6: moisture coming in, rather than trying to paint the front base.

1275
01:12:29,335 --> 01:12:30,895
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it, But I.

1276
01:12:30,815 --> 01:12:32,615
Speaker 16: Mean to paint it, give it a good clean down,

1277
01:12:33,135 --> 01:12:35,455
Speaker 16: remove all that white sort of powder off of it,

1278
01:12:36,775 --> 01:12:39,975
Speaker 16: prime or seal with razine shore seal, and then just

1279
01:12:40,015 --> 01:12:41,815
Speaker 16: two top coats.

1280
01:12:41,175 --> 01:12:44,535
Speaker 6: Awesome mat On that note, let's let's rock on. Hey,

1281
01:12:44,535 --> 01:12:47,855
Speaker 6: Happy Father's Day to you too, and you enjoy your

1282
01:12:47,935 --> 01:12:50,935
Speaker 6: day having good nice talk to you all the very

1283
01:12:50,935 --> 01:12:53,295
Speaker 6: busy bother they you and news talks B that's Jay,

1284
01:12:53,375 --> 01:12:56,255
Speaker 6: our painting expert from Razine of course for good advice.

1285
01:12:56,335 --> 01:12:58,495
Speaker 6: Go and talk to all the experts at your local

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Speaker 6: Razine color shop. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 6: We all take your calls through to eight o'clock. After

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Speaker 6: eight o'clock, we're going legal. We have Mike Thornton available,

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Speaker 6: a lawyer who specializes in construction law. We're going to

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Speaker 6: talk about what is the current situation joined in several liability?

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Speaker 6: This is in terms of it's often much of this

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Speaker 6: focus is on councils, right, because we'll run through this,

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Speaker 6: but typically if there's a problem, everyone else has gone,

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Speaker 6: it's counsel who is the last one standing and they

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Speaker 6: end up bearing the responsibility for remediation. Government wants to

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Speaker 6: change that by introducing proportional liability. What does that look like?

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Speaker 6: Can they make it work? Mike Thornton with us after

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Speaker 6: eight o'clock. Bearing in mind that next week on the program,

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Speaker 6: Chris Penk, the minister who was driving these changes and

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Speaker 6: introducing this into the House, will be joining us here

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Speaker 6: in the studio Next Sunday, so rarely looking forward to

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Speaker 6: his company. Next Sunday, we're back with Michael after the break.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're paidimus ceiling fixings or wondering how to fix

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01:14:02,215 --> 01:14:03,175
Speaker 1: that hole in the wall.

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01:14:03,215 --> 01:14:04,815
Speaker 6: Give Peter wolf caabacole on.

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01:14:06,855 --> 01:14:08,175
Speaker 1: The resident builder, on.

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01:14:10,135 --> 01:14:12,335
Speaker 6: You and your stalk. Sa'd be plenty of texts coming in.

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01:14:12,375 --> 01:14:14,455
Speaker 6: We'll try and get to a few of those shortly.

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01:14:18,175 --> 01:14:21,335
Speaker 6: The couple of texts on the chisel. My comments about

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Speaker 6: the chisel and this innovation, so to speak, of introducing

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01:14:26,455 --> 01:14:29,015
Speaker 6: a chisel with replacement tips. A couple of people have said, hey, look,

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01:14:29,055 --> 01:14:30,895
Speaker 6: that's not a bad idea. You know, you don't always

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01:14:30,935 --> 01:14:34,375
Speaker 6: have your gear to sharpen things on site, but typically

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01:14:34,415 --> 01:14:36,375
Speaker 6: if you've got a sharp chisel, it doesn't go blunt

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01:14:36,375 --> 01:14:39,095
Speaker 6: in a day. Maybe it does, but you know, generally

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01:14:39,695 --> 01:14:41,655
Speaker 6: something you go home and do on the weekend or

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Speaker 6: come home at night. And look, most of us have

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01:14:45,615 --> 01:14:49,295
Speaker 6: got sort of a butcher what I'd call a butcher's

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01:14:49,335 --> 01:14:52,495
Speaker 6: chisel in your apron, which is sort of sharp, but

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01:14:52,535 --> 01:14:54,015
Speaker 6: it's the sort of thing that you might use for

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01:14:54,095 --> 01:14:56,055
Speaker 6: opening a paint t And not that I'm suggesting you

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01:14:56,095 --> 01:14:59,415
Speaker 6: should or you know, you chip something off, but a

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01:14:59,455 --> 01:15:01,255
Speaker 6: concrete or something. You know, you use it right, and

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01:15:01,255 --> 01:15:03,295
Speaker 6: it's a butcher's chisel. It's in your apron and it's

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01:15:03,335 --> 01:15:06,735
Speaker 6: not terribly pretty. But then your other chisels should be

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01:15:06,775 --> 01:15:09,055
Speaker 6: in your toolbox and they should be in a role,

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01:15:09,095 --> 01:15:12,055
Speaker 6: and there should be a diamondstone or a whetstone with them,

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Speaker 6: and that's what you keep them, keep the tip sharp

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Speaker 6: or the head sharp, and then when that does off,

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Speaker 6: as inevitably does, you sharpen them at home. But sharpening chisels,

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Speaker 6: I think is just a core competency, right, So to

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Speaker 6: encourage people just to buy replacement tips, to me, hundreds

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Speaker 6: of years of carpenters will be shaking their heads going,

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01:15:33,775 --> 01:15:37,935
Speaker 6: what have we come to? That's my attitude. Michael Greetings.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, what prompt me to ring is the topic of

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01:15:45,735 --> 01:15:52,095
Speaker 14: healthy arms. So I just live in a tin shed,

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Speaker 14: the cargo's iron shed, Yes, a basic concrete flow, no coverings,

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Speaker 14: no paintings, no nothing on it. And our first four

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Speaker 14: children were less than three and a half years apart,

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Speaker 14: and they grew up in that tim shed yep. And

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01:16:19,975 --> 01:16:25,295
Speaker 14: they never wore shoes. It was a cold, conflict floor

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Speaker 14: and they were the most healthy kids in the town.

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Speaker 14: So there was no painting, no, no, nothing, no insolation.

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Speaker 6: Michael, was that your own shed or were you renting

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Speaker 6: it from someone?

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Speaker 14: My own one?

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Speaker 7: I look at myself, make.

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01:16:47,935 --> 01:16:51,335
Speaker 6: Knock yourself out, is my attitude. If that's what you

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01:16:51,415 --> 01:16:56,295
Speaker 6: want for yourself and it's your property, I'm not standing

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01:16:56,295 --> 01:16:58,935
Speaker 6: any way, right. I have no right to tell you

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Speaker 6: how to live your life. I can provide you with

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01:17:05,215 --> 01:17:08,935
Speaker 6: a truckload of events to say that in general, living

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01:17:08,975 --> 01:17:13,615
Speaker 6: in cold, damp conditions has a negative impact on people's

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01:17:13,655 --> 01:17:18,135
Speaker 6: health and health, and there's vast amounts of evidence to

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Speaker 6: back that up.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, so then I've got evidence of four children.

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Speaker 6: No, you've got experience, not evidence.

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Speaker 14: I experience a fair fair comment that. Yeah, so I

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01:17:35,535 --> 01:17:38,735
Speaker 14: never had a day of school. My son, one of

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Speaker 14: my sons actually got a recommendation from the school to

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01:17:45,335 --> 01:17:49,455
Speaker 14: say that he never had a day of school. Well,

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01:17:49,695 --> 01:17:53,095
Speaker 14: you know, for the whole year or two, three, four years.

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Speaker 14: So it's quite interinge that when you say healthy homes,

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01:17:59,935 --> 01:18:05,455
Speaker 14: it's quite what's worden? Yet you made a comment whether

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01:18:05,535 --> 01:18:10,415
Speaker 14: I own it or render it? Yeah, only it's probably

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01:18:10,455 --> 01:18:14,215
Speaker 14: different than wanting. There's no way to get a way

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Speaker 14: with property.

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Speaker 6: And nor should you and I think that's the whole

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01:18:18,255 --> 01:18:21,975
Speaker 6: point of the legislation is that if we're going to

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Speaker 6: provide housing for other people, it needs to be of

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Speaker 6: a certain standard, and that's what the Healthy Homes legislation

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Speaker 6: is all about. Appreciate you call and love these sorts

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01:18:32,735 --> 01:18:35,095
Speaker 6: of chats, you know, I think this is something that

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Speaker 6: should be debated, right, what's a minimum standard, what's considered

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Speaker 6: a healthy home? And what impact has it on our community?

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Speaker 6: And in your instance, that's your lived experience. Again, knock

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01:18:48,095 --> 01:18:52,815
Speaker 6: yourself out, filure Boots. But I'm also happy to say

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01:18:52,815 --> 01:18:55,535
Speaker 6: that there's plenty of evidence to say that growing up

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Speaker 6: or living in poor conditions damp, cold, moldy, lacking and ventilation,

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01:19:02,095 --> 01:19:06,415
Speaker 6: lacking and heat does have a negative income outcome in

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01:19:06,495 --> 01:19:10,655
Speaker 6: terms of health. Plenty of information about that. Now a

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01:19:10,695 --> 01:19:13,255
Speaker 6: couple of quack texts as well. Hey Pete, can you

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Speaker 6: please be getting the Minister Pink to update the progress

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01:19:16,335 --> 01:19:19,575
Speaker 6: on the Granny flat building? Yes, I will certainly add

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Speaker 6: that to the list, and you're more than welcome to

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Speaker 6: send that text again next week as well. Hey Wolfy,

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Speaker 6: just curious do you sharpen your draw bits. I've never

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01:19:27,935 --> 01:19:31,295
Speaker 6: quite mastered that chairs from Simon Simon. I have to

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Speaker 6: say it's always been a bit of a challenge for

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Speaker 6: me as well in terms of, you know, just small

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01:19:36,015 --> 01:19:38,255
Speaker 6: metal bits, so let's say up to twelve mil or

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01:19:38,255 --> 01:19:44,215
Speaker 6: something like that. And despite my better self, I bought

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Speaker 6: the other day a really cheap tool off trade me

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01:19:48,735 --> 01:19:50,895
Speaker 6: and it was a drill bit sharpening kit, and it

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01:19:50,935 --> 01:19:53,015
Speaker 6: was basically a little bit of plastic with three little

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01:19:53,055 --> 01:19:56,415
Speaker 6: slots in it and then a abrasive disc at one

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01:19:56,535 --> 01:20:00,215
Speaker 6: end that you attached to the drill, and so it's

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Speaker 6: not quite as dodge as it sounds, but you kind

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Speaker 6: of hold the plastic tool in one hand with the

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Speaker 6: drill bit in location, use the drill to spin it

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01:20:08,495 --> 01:20:10,895
Speaker 6: and then sharpen it, and it's kind of set up

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01:20:10,895 --> 01:20:13,695
Speaker 6: for pretty much the right angle. You can buy much

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01:20:13,735 --> 01:20:16,575
Speaker 6: more expensive tools than that, right with all sorts of

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01:20:16,815 --> 01:20:18,855
Speaker 6: devices to hold it and get the angle right and

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01:20:18,895 --> 01:20:20,455
Speaker 6: the right sort of stone and all the rest of it.

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01:20:20,695 --> 01:20:23,095
Speaker 6: This one, at a grand total of about eleven dollars

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01:20:23,135 --> 01:20:28,415
Speaker 6: seventy five cents, has actually proved to be quite good.

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01:20:30,415 --> 01:20:35,095
Speaker 6: Initially wood chisel wood drills like spade bits or orgabits,

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01:20:35,095 --> 01:20:37,975
Speaker 6: and that I typically sharpened by hand, and I've got

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01:20:37,975 --> 01:20:41,015
Speaker 6: a set of fine files that I use for that.

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01:20:42,335 --> 01:20:45,775
Speaker 6: But yes, sharpening them is a really, really good idea.

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Speaker 6: We're talking to Joe after the break.

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Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor Get the right advice from

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01:20:51,935 --> 01:20:56,575
Speaker 1: Peta Wolfcare, the resident builder on News Talk sab righty.

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Speaker 6: Oh, welcome back to the show. Joe, Good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 10: We've got a nineteen fifties weatherboard house and we had

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01:21:05,855 --> 01:21:09,215
Speaker 10: inchil pumped in from the outside, and as you know,

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01:21:09,255 --> 01:21:13,015
Speaker 10: they drill their small holes and then they replace a

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01:21:13,095 --> 01:21:19,095
Speaker 10: whole red gluey material that hardens, but then it causes

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01:21:19,295 --> 01:21:22,935
Speaker 10: those areas to crack, and there's multiple holes around the

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01:21:23,015 --> 01:21:25,895
Speaker 10: house and we were wondering if there's anything else we

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01:21:25,935 --> 01:21:29,855
Speaker 10: could replace that with. We tried some wooden cores, include

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01:21:29,855 --> 01:21:35,375
Speaker 10: them trying because that material that they replace it with

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01:21:36,055 --> 01:21:38,775
Speaker 10: is much harder than timber or appears.

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Speaker 6: To be right, So differential movement, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of cracking.

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Speaker 6: How did you have the work done or was it

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01:21:45,855 --> 01:21:47,815
Speaker 6: done prior to you purchasing the house?

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01:21:48,895 --> 01:21:51,855
Speaker 5: No, no, we had it done right, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean, look I and please don't say which company it is.

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01:21:56,375 --> 01:22:00,255
Speaker 6: We'll keep that off. But in the first instance, you'd

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01:22:00,295 --> 01:22:02,215
Speaker 6: go back to them and go, hey, look you should

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Speaker 6: warrantye your work and which case can you come back

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01:22:04,535 --> 01:22:07,215
Speaker 6: and look at that? So that would be my first step.

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01:22:07,295 --> 01:22:11,375
Speaker 6: The second one might be a slightly more flexible two

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01:22:11,415 --> 01:22:14,735
Speaker 6: pot of POxy that you could use, but you'd need

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01:22:14,775 --> 01:22:17,215
Speaker 6: to remove whatever they put in there, or at least

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01:22:17,255 --> 01:22:20,655
Speaker 6: the surface of it. And I've noticed that some of

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01:22:20,655 --> 01:22:22,975
Speaker 6: them now when they do that type of repair, instead

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01:22:22,975 --> 01:22:26,015
Speaker 6: of you there's a drill hole through, right, they'll actually

1441
01:22:26,775 --> 01:22:30,255
Speaker 6: grind the surface and scollop it slightly, so you've got

1442
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Speaker 6: you don't have a straight edge around it. Let's say

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Speaker 6: that's an option to back after the news folks freak.

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01:22:37,415 --> 01:22:41,255
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

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01:22:41,335 --> 01:22:46,775
Speaker 1: builder with Peter Wolfcat Call Talk said, be your.

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Speaker 6: News Talk said, be a very good morning. Welcome along

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01:22:49,055 --> 01:22:52,255
Speaker 6: to the program. We are talking all things building and construction,

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01:22:52,375 --> 01:22:54,735
Speaker 6: well for the next the legal side of it anyway,

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01:22:54,975 --> 01:22:56,855
Speaker 6: for the next half hour or so, and then from

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01:22:56,975 --> 01:22:59,575
Speaker 6: eight thirty this morning, as always we're into the garden

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Speaker 6: with the delightful recline past from eight thirty this morning.

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01:23:04,415 --> 01:23:06,015
Speaker 6: So if you've listened to the show, or if you're

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01:23:06,055 --> 01:23:11,375
Speaker 6: in student building in construction. One of there's there's I

1454
01:23:11,415 --> 01:23:13,615
Speaker 6: was going to say new government not so new now,

1455
01:23:14,335 --> 01:23:17,295
Speaker 6: but have come in with a whole raft of changes.

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01:23:17,335 --> 01:23:20,255
Speaker 6: So we've seen things around, you know, granny flats and

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01:23:20,335 --> 01:23:23,415
Speaker 6: consenting and extensions to schedule one of the Act and

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01:23:23,855 --> 01:23:25,895
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of things. And then one of the

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01:23:25,935 --> 01:23:27,895
Speaker 6: things that's been talked about as a bit of a

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01:23:27,935 --> 01:23:34,495
Speaker 6: handbreak on efficiency and possibly affordability is this whole issue

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Speaker 6: of joint and several liability. So previously on the show

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01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:42,255
Speaker 6: we've had Mike Thornton join us to talk about some

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01:23:42,335 --> 01:23:44,295
Speaker 6: of the legal sides of what happens when you have

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01:23:44,335 --> 01:23:46,815
Speaker 6: a dispute and so on. And it's my great pleasure

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01:23:46,855 --> 01:23:49,575
Speaker 6: to welcome back to the show. Very happy. Did you

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01:23:49,615 --> 01:23:50,695
Speaker 6: go to the Rugby last night?

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01:23:50,695 --> 01:23:50,895
Speaker 3: Mike?

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01:23:51,015 --> 01:23:54,615
Speaker 5: By any chance, I certainly was.

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Speaker 6: And what a way to celebrate.

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Speaker 5: My birthday?

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Speaker 6: Awesome double where double where me? Happy birthday? Believe much radio.

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Speaker 6: Now let's let's try and let's say what where are

1473
01:24:12,055 --> 01:24:15,695
Speaker 6: we at right now? What is joint and several liability?

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01:24:16,855 --> 01:24:20,495
Speaker 17: Right, So we're more than one party damages a property

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01:24:20,615 --> 01:24:23,175
Speaker 17: or creates defects and a property they're all they're all

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01:24:23,215 --> 01:24:25,255
Speaker 17: at fault, and they're liable for the full amount of

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01:24:25,255 --> 01:24:27,655
Speaker 17: the damage. That's what we currently got. That's called joint

1478
01:24:27,655 --> 01:24:31,215
Speaker 17: and several liability. The several bit is the individual bits

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01:24:31,255 --> 01:24:33,575
Speaker 17: they caused, and the joint is they're all liable for it.

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01:24:33,855 --> 01:24:37,015
Speaker 17: So what that means is if a plantiff decides to

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01:24:37,215 --> 01:24:40,095
Speaker 17: sue those parties, they can see all of them. And

1482
01:24:40,215 --> 01:24:43,855
Speaker 17: if and if the plantiff can't recover a share of

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01:24:43,895 --> 01:24:46,655
Speaker 17: that liability from a party because they're no longer around

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01:24:46,735 --> 01:24:49,215
Speaker 17: or they're insolvent, they can get it off another party,

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01:24:49,335 --> 01:24:53,135
Speaker 17: typically the council. So that's the current system.

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Speaker 6: So again, in a practical sense, let's say I build

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01:24:56,055 --> 01:25:00,775
Speaker 6: a house five years ago, and I'm a licensed building practitioner.

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01:25:01,895 --> 01:25:03,935
Speaker 6: We have a building consent, we do the build, it

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01:25:03,975 --> 01:25:07,175
Speaker 6: gets signed off by council, so there's a certificate code compliance,

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01:25:07,775 --> 01:25:09,775
Speaker 6: and then five years later there's a leak. But the

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Speaker 6: leak comes from let's say, and I'm not picking on waterproofers,

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01:25:12,775 --> 01:25:16,415
Speaker 6: but let's say the waterproofing in the shower fails. It

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01:25:16,535 --> 01:25:19,775
Speaker 6: leaks and it rots out, the floor joists below, and

1494
01:25:19,975 --> 01:25:23,295
Speaker 6: the homeowner goes, right, I need to get someone to

1495
01:25:23,295 --> 01:25:26,935
Speaker 6: fix this. They chase the waterproofer, but the waterproof is gone.

1496
01:25:27,135 --> 01:25:29,895
Speaker 6: They might chase me, but maybe I've retired or something

1497
01:25:29,935 --> 01:25:33,095
Speaker 6: like that. So ultimately they'll go through and they'll figure

1498
01:25:33,095 --> 01:25:36,615
Speaker 6: out that council is still around. And we often use

1499
01:25:36,655 --> 01:25:39,335
Speaker 6: the phrase last man standing or last one standing, and

1500
01:25:39,335 --> 01:25:41,975
Speaker 6: that's often counseled because they don't have an option to disappear,

1501
01:25:42,455 --> 01:25:45,695
Speaker 6: So they end up having to pay all of the

1502
01:25:45,775 --> 01:25:48,535
Speaker 6: costs because they can't recover it from anyone else. Is

1503
01:25:48,535 --> 01:25:49,575
Speaker 6: that kind of how it works?

1504
01:25:50,655 --> 01:25:52,615
Speaker 5: Correct? Essentially, that's correct.

1505
01:25:52,615 --> 01:25:54,175
Speaker 17: I mean it might not be all of the costs,

1506
01:25:54,215 --> 01:25:57,415
Speaker 17: depending on what happens in settlement, but yes, you're quite right,

1507
01:25:57,455 --> 01:26:00,175
Speaker 17: that's exactly what happens. The council ends up having to

1508
01:26:00,175 --> 01:26:05,495
Speaker 17: bear the share of any insolvent or parties that no

1509
01:26:05,575 --> 01:26:09,655
Speaker 17: longer exist, gone into liquidation, or are no longer trading.

1510
01:26:10,895 --> 01:26:14,175
Speaker 6: So what is being proposed is what has been called

1511
01:26:14,375 --> 01:26:19,695
Speaker 6: proportional liability, in which case each person or each entity

1512
01:26:19,975 --> 01:26:24,015
Speaker 6: is assigned a portion of the liability and only responsible

1513
01:26:24,055 --> 01:26:27,655
Speaker 6: for that. How's that going to work? What do you think?

1514
01:26:27,655 --> 01:26:33,535
Speaker 17: There's say it's proportionate liability is a situation where the

1515
01:26:33,535 --> 01:26:39,575
Speaker 17: courts will allocate liability to each party according to.

1516
01:26:39,175 --> 01:26:40,815
Speaker 5: How much at faults they are.

1517
01:26:41,015 --> 01:26:45,015
Speaker 17: Yes, so typically for counsels that's twenty percent. So in

1518
01:26:45,095 --> 01:26:49,295
Speaker 17: this scenario that you described with the homeowner, if a

1519
01:26:49,415 --> 01:26:53,215
Speaker 17: council is liable, but the court says council is only

1520
01:26:53,255 --> 01:26:56,615
Speaker 17: liable for twenty percent, and your waterproofer and your builder

1521
01:26:56,695 --> 01:26:59,175
Speaker 17: might be liable for the balance of it, if both

1522
01:26:59,175 --> 01:27:02,375
Speaker 17: of those parties are no longer around the most the

1523
01:27:02,455 --> 01:27:05,895
Speaker 17: council will have to pay under that under that system

1524
01:27:06,415 --> 01:27:10,215
Speaker 17: twenty percent. So that would mean that the under recovery

1525
01:27:10,255 --> 01:27:13,975
Speaker 17: would fall on the homeowner. Now, one of the justifications

1526
01:27:13,975 --> 01:27:17,535
Speaker 17: for having joined in several liability strongest one in my view,

1527
01:27:17,655 --> 01:27:21,215
Speaker 17: is that it's much fairer that an innocent homeowner is

1528
01:27:21,295 --> 01:27:28,055
Speaker 17: compensated by wrongdoers rather than it's fairer than that that

1529
01:27:28,215 --> 01:27:31,535
Speaker 17: happens rather than the council bear the entire amount of

1530
01:27:31,535 --> 01:27:32,015
Speaker 17: the loss.

1531
01:27:33,895 --> 01:27:37,575
Speaker 6: So again, in practical terms, let's say again we're talking

1532
01:27:37,575 --> 01:27:40,775
Speaker 6: about a situation where I might be the LBP for

1533
01:27:40,855 --> 01:27:43,975
Speaker 6: the job. I've got a waterproofer who's got a license,

1534
01:27:44,015 --> 01:27:46,375
Speaker 6: and they're a license applicator in accordance with the council

1535
01:27:46,415 --> 01:27:48,935
Speaker 6: regulations and all the rest of it. But there's a failure,

1536
01:27:49,175 --> 01:27:51,695
Speaker 6: and let's say the failure costs one hundred thousand dollars

1537
01:27:51,695 --> 01:27:55,135
Speaker 6: to remediate in the event that no one else is

1538
01:27:55,175 --> 01:27:58,775
Speaker 6: going to pay, if someone sought redress from council, they

1539
01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,455
Speaker 6: would be limited to twenty percent, in which case the

1540
01:28:01,495 --> 01:28:04,775
Speaker 6: homeowner might get twenty thousand dollars and nothing else.

1541
01:28:05,735 --> 01:28:06,215
Speaker 5: Correct.

1542
01:28:06,455 --> 01:28:10,375
Speaker 17: Now, that's where the whole issue of how is that

1543
01:28:10,415 --> 01:28:13,815
Speaker 17: shortfall going to be compensated under this new scheme comes in,

1544
01:28:14,295 --> 01:28:17,615
Speaker 17: And that's where we don't really know what the government

1545
01:28:17,735 --> 01:28:20,935
Speaker 17: is proposing. There are a number of ways to deal

1546
01:28:21,015 --> 01:28:23,855
Speaker 17: with that, and we must look, of course to other

1547
01:28:23,975 --> 01:28:28,775
Speaker 17: jurisdictions comparable to ours, such as Australia and Canada, and

1548
01:28:28,775 --> 01:28:32,175
Speaker 17: there's various ways that they go about doing it. And

1549
01:28:32,215 --> 01:28:35,095
Speaker 17: we can talk a bit about that home warranty, home

1550
01:28:35,135 --> 01:28:39,135
Speaker 17: warranty schemes, builder insurance, that type of thing, but until

1551
01:28:39,175 --> 01:28:42,655
Speaker 17: we really know how that's how the government and will

1552
01:28:42,695 --> 01:28:44,615
Speaker 17: be very helpful to hear from the minister next week.

1553
01:28:44,695 --> 01:28:48,215
Speaker 17: Other government is proposing to cover the scenario that you've

1554
01:28:48,255 --> 01:28:51,615
Speaker 17: just described of an innocent homeowner having a shortfall and

1555
01:28:51,695 --> 01:28:55,095
Speaker 17: recovery when they've really done nothing wrong. We don't really

1556
01:28:55,135 --> 01:28:59,935
Speaker 17: know how that system's likely to operate. There is a risk,

1557
01:29:00,055 --> 01:29:02,495
Speaker 17: there is a risk in that scenario that the innocent

1558
01:29:02,575 --> 01:29:06,215
Speaker 17: homeowner bears a proportion of the loss that it currently

1559
01:29:06,335 --> 01:29:11,255
Speaker 17: wouldn't have to bear it under the parent's current liability settings.

1560
01:29:12,255 --> 01:29:14,975
Speaker 6: Which is not really a desirable outcome, is it if

1561
01:29:15,015 --> 01:29:15,815
Speaker 6: you're a homeowner.

1562
01:29:15,855 --> 01:29:19,295
Speaker 17: Well, well, as I said the artsets, it's always been

1563
01:29:19,335 --> 01:29:23,055
Speaker 17: considered fairer that the parties that have actually at fault,

1564
01:29:23,095 --> 01:29:27,015
Speaker 17: that have done the wrong things that have caused the defects,

1565
01:29:27,135 --> 01:29:32,135
Speaker 17: compensate the innocent homeowner. Now that's shifting unless there's there's

1566
01:29:32,175 --> 01:29:34,775
Speaker 17: a way to cover that shortfall, that shifting to the

1567
01:29:34,815 --> 01:29:39,975
Speaker 17: innocent homeowner. So it really when the Law Commission looked

1568
01:29:40,015 --> 01:29:42,095
Speaker 17: at this a couple of times, it decided that that

1569
01:29:42,295 --> 01:29:44,655
Speaker 17: was it was. It's always much fairer for that party

1570
01:29:44,735 --> 01:29:48,455
Speaker 17: to be compensated than it is for counsel to be

1571
01:29:48,495 --> 01:29:50,335
Speaker 17: able to say, well, we shouldn't have to pick up

1572
01:29:50,335 --> 01:29:52,935
Speaker 17: the slack because other insolvent parties can't.

1573
01:29:56,655 --> 01:30:00,015
Speaker 6: This is a bit of crystal ball. What what is

1574
01:30:00,135 --> 01:30:03,655
Speaker 6: going to be the solution then to prevent that shortfall

1575
01:30:03,775 --> 01:30:04,455
Speaker 6: from occurring.

1576
01:30:06,655 --> 01:30:08,775
Speaker 5: Well, that's what we don't know, Pete, and.

1577
01:30:10,575 --> 01:30:14,335
Speaker 17: The Minister has said that he has been consulting with

1578
01:30:14,975 --> 01:30:19,015
Speaker 17: the insurance and to see, for example, about what the

1579
01:30:19,095 --> 01:30:20,935
Speaker 17: insurance industry wants to do about it.

1580
01:30:21,095 --> 01:30:21,215
Speaker 5: Now.

1581
01:30:21,255 --> 01:30:25,455
Speaker 17: I saw in the Herald Yes today the managing director

1582
01:30:25,535 --> 01:30:29,775
Speaker 17: of the only current insurer that offers that offers defects

1583
01:30:29,855 --> 01:30:34,055
Speaker 17: insurances and effectively effectively saying well, we're not really that interested,

1584
01:30:34,135 --> 01:30:38,575
Speaker 17: thank you very much. So unless that attitude changes and

1585
01:30:38,655 --> 01:30:41,655
Speaker 17: there's only one insurer offering that that that type of

1586
01:30:41,735 --> 01:30:46,055
Speaker 17: insurance at the moment, or or there's a building warranty

1587
01:30:46,175 --> 01:30:50,175
Speaker 17: scheme which one assumes that if there's no appetite from

1588
01:30:50,255 --> 01:30:53,415
Speaker 17: the insurance industry to underwrite that, that would involve some

1589
01:30:53,655 --> 01:30:57,735
Speaker 17: sort of government involvement. We simply don't know how that

1590
01:30:57,895 --> 01:31:00,695
Speaker 17: shortball is likely to be met. I mean, there's various

1591
01:31:00,775 --> 01:31:04,295
Speaker 17: ways that it's dealt with overseas. I don't particularly know

1592
01:31:04,495 --> 01:31:09,415
Speaker 17: exactly how each jurisdiction deals with it. But what I

1593
01:31:09,535 --> 01:31:13,575
Speaker 17: know that in Australia they have a mix, They have

1594
01:31:13,775 --> 01:31:18,895
Speaker 17: some schemes that are underwritten by the government and in

1595
01:31:19,055 --> 01:31:23,015
Speaker 17: Canada they're privately provided and they're mandatory all builders have

1596
01:31:23,175 --> 01:31:27,575
Speaker 17: to have provide third party new home warranties. In the

1597
01:31:27,815 --> 01:31:34,135
Speaker 17: UK it's privately provided and in the US there's a

1598
01:31:34,215 --> 01:31:36,855
Speaker 17: set of statutory warranties. So there's various ways you can

1599
01:31:36,935 --> 01:31:42,335
Speaker 17: go about it. But what I'm seeing in terms of

1600
01:31:42,455 --> 01:31:47,055
Speaker 17: the insurance industry stepping up as perhaps a reluctance and

1601
01:31:47,455 --> 01:31:50,935
Speaker 17: probably well founded given what happened with the leaky building crisis,

1602
01:31:51,495 --> 01:31:55,615
Speaker 17: because insurers insurers have for a long time excluded cover

1603
01:31:55,855 --> 01:32:00,815
Speaker 17: for whether titaness defects and insurance policy since since early

1604
01:32:00,935 --> 01:32:05,535
Speaker 17: the early two thousands, I believe, so it's difficult to

1605
01:32:05,695 --> 01:32:09,935
Speaker 17: see how how the insurance market is going to step

1606
01:32:10,015 --> 01:32:13,255
Speaker 17: in to provide that level of cover. But it remains

1607
01:32:13,335 --> 01:32:18,255
Speaker 17: to be seen what proposals the government has in terms

1608
01:32:18,375 --> 01:32:22,295
Speaker 17: of providing some sort of assurance to homeowners that that

1609
01:32:22,455 --> 01:32:25,735
Speaker 17: short fall will be covered. The Minister has alluded to

1610
01:32:26,655 --> 01:32:30,655
Speaker 17: there being a strong consumer protection focus in this approach,

1611
01:32:31,375 --> 01:32:35,215
Speaker 17: and I applaud that because without some sort of backstop,

1612
01:32:35,295 --> 01:32:38,135
Speaker 17: then you're really going to see a situation where people

1613
01:32:38,455 --> 01:32:40,935
Speaker 17: people miss out through this change in policy.

1614
01:32:43,095 --> 01:32:43,415
Speaker 5: Exist.

1615
01:32:43,455 --> 01:32:46,255
Speaker 6: In terms of the other thing, you go ahead, okay, no, no.

1616
01:32:46,655 --> 01:32:48,815
Speaker 5: The other thing I was going to say was.

1617
01:32:51,175 --> 01:32:54,055
Speaker 17: That the Law Commission and MB have had a really

1618
01:32:54,095 --> 01:32:57,655
Speaker 17: good look at this in terms of the policy justification,

1619
01:32:57,935 --> 01:33:00,215
Speaker 17: and one of the things that's being argued is that

1620
01:33:01,455 --> 01:33:08,335
Speaker 17: it's slowing down consenting, that the attitude of counsels to liability,

1621
01:33:09,295 --> 01:33:12,695
Speaker 17: But both both the MB and the Law Commission could

1622
01:33:12,695 --> 01:33:15,455
Speaker 17: actually find no evidence of that, and in fact we

1623
01:33:15,655 --> 01:33:19,095
Speaker 17: ranked pretty highly. And this is a surprising Pete. I

1624
01:33:19,095 --> 01:33:21,615
Speaker 17: don't know if you know this, but we're ranked by

1625
01:33:22,735 --> 01:33:25,935
Speaker 17: about seventh out of two hundred and thirteen jurisdiction threes

1626
01:33:25,975 --> 01:33:29,495
Speaker 17: of dealing with construction permits, ahead of Ossie, the UK

1627
01:33:29,695 --> 01:33:35,535
Speaker 17: and the US, which absolutely staggered me. And also when

1628
01:33:35,575 --> 01:33:38,135
Speaker 17: you look at the amount of claims that are made

1629
01:33:38,415 --> 01:33:41,935
Speaker 17: and the amounts Council has had to pay as a

1630
01:33:42,015 --> 01:33:46,095
Speaker 17: proportion of overall building consents over a ten year period,

1631
01:33:46,135 --> 01:33:48,655
Speaker 17: I mean it's something like seventy five billion, and the

1632
01:33:48,735 --> 01:33:54,335
Speaker 17: amounts paid to cover the shortfalls from indigent parties is

1633
01:33:54,375 --> 01:33:59,655
Speaker 17: a very tiny fraction of those overall consents and the

1634
01:33:59,735 --> 01:34:03,375
Speaker 17: amount of consents that result results in that result in

1635
01:34:04,415 --> 01:34:07,655
Speaker 17: litigation is also very tiny. About two point five percent

1636
01:34:07,775 --> 01:34:11,175
Speaker 17: of consents issued over over a ten year period from

1637
01:34:11,215 --> 01:34:16,055
Speaker 17: two thousand and eight to twenty eighteen. So the argument

1638
01:34:16,335 --> 01:34:20,175
Speaker 17: that consenting has been slowed by risk averse councils is

1639
01:34:20,855 --> 01:34:24,495
Speaker 17: from what I've seen for what MB's produced and what

1640
01:34:24,575 --> 01:34:26,895
Speaker 17: the Law Commissioner has looked at, is not really supported

1641
01:34:26,935 --> 01:34:31,415
Speaker 17: by any empirical evidence, but it might make a difference,

1642
01:34:32,055 --> 01:34:34,015
Speaker 17: but that the evidence is not really there.

1643
01:34:35,655 --> 01:34:38,535
Speaker 6: Which is a fascinating insight when you sort of unplug

1644
01:34:38,815 --> 01:34:40,935
Speaker 6: that a little bit and dig down into that. So

1645
01:34:42,015 --> 01:34:45,215
Speaker 6: in my mind, what I'm thinking is, are we solving

1646
01:34:45,535 --> 01:34:50,175
Speaker 6: a problem that we've already fixed in the sense that

1647
01:34:51,455 --> 01:34:53,335
Speaker 6: you know, most of our focus for those of us

1648
01:34:53,375 --> 01:34:55,815
Speaker 6: with a bit of a long memory, is leaky buildings, Right,

1649
01:34:56,295 --> 01:34:59,535
Speaker 6: So a series of buildings that were consented that we're

1650
01:34:59,975 --> 01:35:01,535
Speaker 6: going to leak, and they were going to leak from

1651
01:35:01,535 --> 01:35:05,935
Speaker 6: the minute somebody started drawing them. Arguably, today we're not

1652
01:35:06,015 --> 01:35:09,095
Speaker 6: des and building like that. Not to say that there

1653
01:35:09,135 --> 01:35:11,415
Speaker 6: won't be failures in the future, but they won't be

1654
01:35:11,455 --> 01:35:14,015
Speaker 6: at the same level as in the past. So we've

1655
01:35:14,015 --> 01:35:16,535
Speaker 6: already fixed the problem. So what are we now trying

1656
01:35:16,535 --> 01:35:16,855
Speaker 6: to fix?

1657
01:35:18,375 --> 01:35:18,535
Speaker 5: Yes?

1658
01:35:18,655 --> 01:35:22,175
Speaker 17: Correct, Well, remember also that you'd have to say that

1659
01:35:22,295 --> 01:35:25,495
Speaker 17: the leaky building scenario was really a systemic failure. There

1660
01:35:25,655 --> 01:35:27,735
Speaker 17: was a lot of stuff that went wrong, and I

1661
01:35:27,855 --> 01:35:31,815
Speaker 17: agree that one would hope that with the amendment to

1662
01:35:31,855 --> 01:35:33,895
Speaker 17: the Building Act in the two thousand and four that

1663
01:35:34,535 --> 01:35:39,535
Speaker 17: that systemic failure can't really occur again. But we do

1664
01:35:39,775 --> 01:35:44,855
Speaker 17: still see building defects sure. So that's why a switch

1665
01:35:45,295 --> 01:35:51,015
Speaker 17: from a situation which favors the homeowner in a litigation

1666
01:35:51,175 --> 01:35:54,575
Speaker 17: scenario to compensate them as the innocent party, to something

1667
01:35:54,615 --> 01:35:59,615
Speaker 17: which goes to proportionate liability needs to have the backstop

1668
01:35:59,695 --> 01:36:06,255
Speaker 17: of either a building warranty insurance scheme and or compulsory compulsion.

1669
01:36:06,335 --> 01:36:11,255
Speaker 17: You're building insurance to cover off the the risk of

1670
01:36:11,335 --> 01:36:15,375
Speaker 17: a shortfall. Now in terms of in terms of the warranty,

1671
01:36:15,575 --> 01:36:18,175
Speaker 17: I'm not an insurance I can't speak for them, but

1672
01:36:18,815 --> 01:36:22,855
Speaker 17: it just doesn't really exist in New Zealand. So and

1673
01:36:22,935 --> 01:36:25,855
Speaker 17: there might be many reasons why that is, and I

1674
01:36:26,015 --> 01:36:29,375
Speaker 17: think chief amongst them is probably the fact that the

1675
01:36:29,495 --> 01:36:33,375
Speaker 17: insurance industry has to take a premium in year one

1676
01:36:33,695 --> 01:36:36,655
Speaker 17: and may face a liability in year ten. You know,

1677
01:36:36,775 --> 01:36:39,535
Speaker 17: for a defect that's sat there are what we call

1678
01:36:39,615 --> 01:36:42,335
Speaker 17: a latent defect, so that's a long time. It's what

1679
01:36:42,415 --> 01:36:45,175
Speaker 17: we call long tail risk. That's a long time to

1680
01:36:45,295 --> 01:36:48,135
Speaker 17: have something on your box that might come that you

1681
01:36:48,255 --> 01:36:50,615
Speaker 17: might have to account for when you're when you're doing

1682
01:36:50,655 --> 01:36:55,655
Speaker 17: your claims. So we're sort of getting into the air

1683
01:36:55,695 --> 01:36:57,575
Speaker 17: of insurance, and it would be helpful to hear from

1684
01:36:57,775 --> 01:37:00,855
Speaker 17: some of them about that. But my understanding is that

1685
01:37:01,015 --> 01:37:04,615
Speaker 17: the I don't a sense of reluctance in the insurance

1686
01:37:04,735 --> 01:37:10,335
Speaker 17: market to to offer anything more than is currently being provided.

1687
01:37:10,575 --> 01:37:14,295
Speaker 17: And remember back in the day that when under the

1688
01:37:14,455 --> 01:37:19,815
Speaker 17: nineteen ninety one Building Act count the Act empowered building

1689
01:37:19,935 --> 01:37:22,455
Speaker 17: certifiers to stand in the place of councils as a

1690
01:37:22,575 --> 01:37:26,815
Speaker 17: means of also speeding up building consents, they had professional

1691
01:37:26,855 --> 01:37:29,575
Speaker 17: indemnity insurance. And I recall that at the time the

1692
01:37:29,695 --> 01:37:33,775
Speaker 17: government was advised that it wouldn't be possible to obtain

1693
01:37:33,895 --> 01:37:36,335
Speaker 17: the level of professional and demnity cover for ten years

1694
01:37:36,415 --> 01:37:39,935
Speaker 17: that those certifiers required, but right with the change went

1695
01:37:39,975 --> 01:37:42,175
Speaker 17: ahead with the change anyway, with the result that when

1696
01:37:42,215 --> 01:37:45,815
Speaker 17: all of the leaky building crisis eventuated, the insurance cover

1697
01:37:46,055 --> 01:37:50,615
Speaker 17: was avoided and those certifies all promptly went out of business.

1698
01:37:50,775 --> 01:37:54,815
Speaker 17: So that just tells you that there's not an appetite

1699
01:37:55,695 --> 01:37:59,615
Speaker 17: amongst insurers to ensure building defects.

1700
01:37:59,655 --> 01:38:00,375
Speaker 5: It might develop.

1701
01:38:00,455 --> 01:38:03,735
Speaker 17: I don't know, but I don't think it's going to

1702
01:38:03,855 --> 01:38:11,335
Speaker 17: happen immediately. Know that, for example, in Australia that builders,

1703
01:38:11,575 --> 01:38:15,695
Speaker 17: I think of Victoria builders are required it's compulsory to

1704
01:38:15,775 --> 01:38:18,215
Speaker 17: have liability cover, and.

1705
01:38:18,295 --> 01:38:20,535
Speaker 6: I think in New Zealand people might be shocked to

1706
01:38:20,655 --> 01:38:23,095
Speaker 6: know that not all builders have insurance.

1707
01:38:24,135 --> 01:38:26,095
Speaker 5: Correct. Yeah, well it's not a requirement.

1708
01:38:27,215 --> 01:38:29,655
Speaker 17: If you've got public liability cover, it's not going to

1709
01:38:29,735 --> 01:38:32,215
Speaker 17: cover defect where the Titan's defects anyway.

1710
01:38:32,375 --> 01:38:32,575
Speaker 5: Yep.

1711
01:38:33,095 --> 01:38:37,455
Speaker 17: So it's quite a shift in terms of is that

1712
01:38:37,655 --> 01:38:40,415
Speaker 17: if that's going to be the solution is, how is

1713
01:38:40,455 --> 01:38:43,055
Speaker 17: it actually going to be? Who's going to provide it?

1714
01:38:43,175 --> 01:38:43,535
Speaker 5: Now that.

1715
01:38:45,815 --> 01:38:48,975
Speaker 17: In the I think in Australia some of the schemes,

1716
01:38:49,055 --> 01:38:52,255
Speaker 17: some of the warranty schemes are under written by the government.

1717
01:38:52,455 --> 01:38:54,535
Speaker 5: So I would probably sense a.

1718
01:38:54,575 --> 01:38:57,095
Speaker 17: Reluctance of this government, with all the other things that's

1719
01:38:57,135 --> 01:38:59,815
Speaker 17: got on its plate, to step in and take that

1720
01:38:59,935 --> 01:39:02,175
Speaker 17: sort of attitude. But again, until we hear from the

1721
01:39:02,255 --> 01:39:06,895
Speaker 17: Minister and see the legislation next year, we simply don't know, Pete.

1722
01:39:07,535 --> 01:39:09,775
Speaker 6: But there does seem to me this is the gaping

1723
01:39:09,855 --> 01:39:12,615
Speaker 6: hole in the process at the stage isn't it that

1724
01:39:13,175 --> 01:39:15,535
Speaker 6: we know that it's probably going to fall on insurance,

1725
01:39:15,575 --> 01:39:17,655
Speaker 6: but insurance is not stepping up at the stage.

1726
01:39:19,095 --> 01:39:21,455
Speaker 17: Well, we're just the people that deal with the claims

1727
01:39:21,535 --> 01:39:25,495
Speaker 17: and we can see an issue arising and we can see,

1728
01:39:25,535 --> 01:39:27,615
Speaker 17: well that's fine if you're going to move from a

1729
01:39:27,695 --> 01:39:30,935
Speaker 17: system that look, it's not great, but it does actually

1730
01:39:31,015 --> 01:39:34,495
Speaker 17: compensate homeowners that there's a lot of costs that goes

1731
01:39:34,575 --> 01:39:37,775
Speaker 17: into it, but outcomes are achieved. If you're going to

1732
01:39:37,855 --> 01:39:41,695
Speaker 17: move to a situation where you remove that safeguard, you'd

1733
01:39:41,695 --> 01:39:44,735
Speaker 17: better have something in place. Otherwise, are people in your

1734
01:39:44,815 --> 01:39:48,095
Speaker 17: scenario of the waterproofing, you're going to carry a lot

1735
01:39:48,135 --> 01:39:50,975
Speaker 17: of that cost yourself. And that's a very common as

1736
01:39:51,055 --> 01:39:53,775
Speaker 17: you know, that's a very common scenario that we see

1737
01:39:53,775 --> 01:39:54,535
Speaker 17: an awful lot.

1738
01:39:54,415 --> 01:39:57,695
Speaker 6: Of for sure. For sure, I've taken some notes. I've

1739
01:39:57,695 --> 01:39:59,815
Speaker 6: got a whole bunch of questions now for the Minister

1740
01:39:59,935 --> 01:40:02,855
Speaker 6: when you're in the studio next week. And again, really

1741
01:40:02,895 --> 01:40:06,015
Speaker 6: appreciate your insights and thank you very much for joining us.

1742
01:40:06,015 --> 01:40:06,335
Speaker 5: This one.

1743
01:40:08,095 --> 01:40:10,935
Speaker 6: Great to talk with you all the very best. Mike Thornton,

1744
01:40:11,415 --> 01:40:16,335
Speaker 6: specialist in construction law. Yeah, been a guest on the show.

1745
01:40:16,335 --> 01:40:18,975
Speaker 6: A number of times really good to get his insight

1746
01:40:19,175 --> 01:40:19,495
Speaker 6: into it.

1747
01:40:19,655 --> 01:40:20,295
Speaker 5: So and I have.

1748
01:40:20,455 --> 01:40:23,975
Speaker 6: I've taken a whole lot of notes thinking about questions

1749
01:40:24,055 --> 01:40:25,975
Speaker 6: that I can put to the Minister Chris Penk when

1750
01:40:25,975 --> 01:40:28,375
Speaker 6: he joins us in the studio next week, which I'm

1751
01:40:28,375 --> 01:40:29,055
Speaker 6: really looking.

1752
01:40:28,815 --> 01:40:32,775
Speaker 1: Forward to measure twice god once, but maybe called Pete

1753
01:40:32,815 --> 01:40:36,255
Speaker 1: first for your all. Keav the Resident Builder news talks, they'd.

1754
01:40:36,135 --> 01:40:38,535
Speaker 6: Be if you're into DIY, and you're bound to be

1755
01:40:38,615 --> 01:40:40,655
Speaker 6: because you're listening to me right now. You need to

1756
01:40:40,735 --> 01:40:44,455
Speaker 6: know about the DIY revolution that's been almost fifty years

1757
01:40:44,575 --> 01:40:47,375
Speaker 6: in the making. It's you do It Kitchens. That's you

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01:40:47,735 --> 01:40:53,095
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1759
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Speaker 6: superior quality kitchens that are proudly key we made. The

1760
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Speaker 6: secret is in you do Its unique you Size It

1761
01:41:00,455 --> 01:41:04,295
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1762
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Speaker 6: at no extra cost with no impact on delivery times.

1763
01:41:08,295 --> 01:41:10,735
Speaker 6: You do It lets you design your kitchen yourself so

1764
01:41:10,855 --> 01:41:13,935
Speaker 6: you get exactly what you want, choosing from over thirty

1765
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Speaker 6: five color and finish options. Once you've made your choices

1766
01:41:17,855 --> 01:41:20,215
Speaker 6: on the you do It website, you just click send

1767
01:41:20,295 --> 01:41:23,215
Speaker 6: and then in just seven days, everything you need is

1768
01:41:23,375 --> 01:41:26,815
Speaker 6: dispatched to your door. Assembly is easy, and there's even

1769
01:41:26,935 --> 01:41:31,575
Speaker 6: a local Kiwi help center with DIY experts there to

1770
01:41:31,695 --> 01:41:34,615
Speaker 6: give you advice if you need it. Get the kitchen

1771
01:41:34,655 --> 01:41:37,975
Speaker 6: you want, design it yourself and save thousands. That's the

1772
01:41:38,095 --> 01:41:40,895
Speaker 6: kind of Kiwi ingenuity. I love you do it. That's

1773
01:41:41,135 --> 01:41:44,575
Speaker 6: U d U kitchens that do it for you. You

1774
01:41:44,735 --> 01:41:48,215
Speaker 6: do it dot co dot and Z what z b

1775
01:41:50,615 --> 01:41:55,535
Speaker 6: Ridyoh jump into the garden with reclimb past. Good morning

1776
01:41:55,575 --> 01:42:01,455
Speaker 6: to you, sir, Good morning, Peter, good morning. Indeed everything yeah,

1777
01:42:01,575 --> 01:42:02,855
Speaker 6: be fat as to thank you.

1778
01:42:03,695 --> 01:42:04,735
Speaker 3: It's good fun, isn't it?

1779
01:42:05,095 --> 01:42:05,575
Speaker 6: I think so?

1780
01:42:06,335 --> 01:42:06,495
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1781
01:42:06,495 --> 01:42:10,455
Speaker 6: Absolutely. And when I walked intoday, Locke, the producer, said, gee,

1782
01:42:10,535 --> 01:42:12,975
Speaker 6: you're awfully dressed up, and I said, well, actually I've

1783
01:42:13,015 --> 01:42:15,975
Speaker 6: got a speaking engagement. I've got to talk at a

1784
01:42:16,055 --> 01:42:17,815
Speaker 6: Father's Day breakfast affter this, So.

1785
01:42:17,895 --> 01:42:18,255
Speaker 5: There you go.

1786
01:42:18,535 --> 01:42:22,135
Speaker 3: God, really I do that's nice, that's nice.

1787
01:42:21,975 --> 01:42:22,615
Speaker 6: It'll be awesome.

1788
01:42:23,735 --> 01:42:26,135
Speaker 3: I'll be going to theself. It's just for Father's Day

1789
01:42:26,655 --> 01:42:28,255
Speaker 3: at the at the end of this month, on the

1790
01:42:28,335 --> 01:42:30,135
Speaker 3: twenty eight, I might be in the studio with you.

1791
01:42:30,295 --> 01:42:30,575
Speaker 3: How's that?

1792
01:42:30,815 --> 01:42:31,895
Speaker 6: Oh fantastic?

1793
01:42:33,255 --> 01:42:36,735
Speaker 3: If everything is going well, there's their Peter Blake Trust

1794
01:42:36,815 --> 01:42:38,655
Speaker 3: for two weeks. Yes, usually in Auckland.

1795
01:42:38,815 --> 01:42:41,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is school whole days, isn't it? This

1796
01:42:43,015 --> 01:42:44,095
Speaker 6: literacy and so on?

1797
01:42:44,655 --> 01:42:47,055
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's actually I'm looking forward to that this

1798
01:42:47,215 --> 01:42:50,455
Speaker 3: year because it's we're totally booked out for quite a

1799
01:42:50,495 --> 01:42:53,735
Speaker 3: long time now. It's good. So we're taking thirty teachers

1800
01:42:53,775 --> 01:42:58,815
Speaker 3: for a week into a really nice hotel and then

1801
01:42:58,895 --> 01:43:01,495
Speaker 3: take them to all sorts of wonderful places like stardom

1802
01:43:01,575 --> 01:43:04,975
Speaker 3: but also outside for anui and things like that. Beautiful

1803
01:43:05,335 --> 01:43:08,655
Speaker 3: and boy, the stuff we see this stuff, it's lovely

1804
01:43:08,775 --> 01:43:12,935
Speaker 3: to see eyes go open. Last time we found a

1805
01:43:13,015 --> 01:43:17,215
Speaker 3: sleeping kiwi and that was that was for me, that

1806
01:43:17,455 --> 01:43:21,095
Speaker 3: was brilliant. It was one of those days when everything

1807
01:43:21,295 --> 01:43:24,175
Speaker 3: rained and it was awful and things like that, and

1808
01:43:24,455 --> 01:43:26,695
Speaker 3: and and I thought, oh gosh, it's going to be

1809
01:43:26,735 --> 01:43:29,095
Speaker 3: a disaster. And in the end we found this kiwi

1810
01:43:29,135 --> 01:43:31,255
Speaker 3: and nobody talked about the rain anymore.

1811
01:43:31,375 --> 01:43:31,775
Speaker 7: That was it.

1812
01:43:32,415 --> 01:43:33,535
Speaker 3: That was such a good point.

1813
01:43:33,775 --> 01:43:35,615
Speaker 6: And so I see the other day, I think they've

1814
01:43:35,655 --> 01:43:39,615
Speaker 6: reintroduced to Atara. To Terry Martinui.

1815
01:43:40,415 --> 01:43:42,535
Speaker 3: Teary has had two a towel for a long time.

1816
01:43:42,775 --> 01:43:46,295
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, that's that's fantastic.

1817
01:43:46,775 --> 01:43:50,335
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And and Kiwi as well, little spots and things.

1818
01:43:50,455 --> 01:43:53,335
Speaker 3: I remember I remember going, I remember flying at a

1819
01:43:53,415 --> 01:43:56,295
Speaker 3: chopper with those with those Kiwi when I came off

1820
01:43:56,335 --> 01:43:58,095
Speaker 3: the radio because there was no time for me to

1821
01:43:58,215 --> 01:44:00,175
Speaker 3: drive there, so they just picked me up.

1822
01:44:00,935 --> 01:44:05,215
Speaker 6: How brilliant, brilliant. And you know, because sometimes I think

1823
01:44:05,255 --> 01:44:08,015
Speaker 6: when we look at nature and the environment, that's easy

1824
01:44:08,055 --> 01:44:10,215
Speaker 6: to get a bit downheartened. But like I saw the

1825
01:44:10,255 --> 01:44:15,295
Speaker 6: other day, the little local ecological restoration group that I've

1826
01:44:15,615 --> 01:44:18,735
Speaker 6: had some association with, they're doing like an open day

1827
01:44:18,735 --> 01:44:21,975
Speaker 6: at the nursery giving away seedlings. And I've noticed this

1828
01:44:22,215 --> 01:44:24,975
Speaker 6: across the country and councils are supporting this as well.

1829
01:44:25,055 --> 01:44:28,775
Speaker 6: That as these groups grow and their capacity to produce

1830
01:44:28,895 --> 01:44:32,135
Speaker 6: new seedlings, new native plants, they're also being really generous,

1831
01:44:32,255 --> 01:44:34,175
Speaker 6: just going hey, folks, if you need them, come and

1832
01:44:34,215 --> 01:44:36,215
Speaker 6: get them. You know, we're open today, come and grab them,

1833
01:44:36,215 --> 01:44:38,055
Speaker 6: and then take those and go and plant them and

1834
01:44:38,455 --> 01:44:41,375
Speaker 6: restore your own native habitat. So there's some really exciting

1835
01:44:41,455 --> 01:44:41,975
Speaker 6: things happening.

1836
01:44:42,575 --> 01:44:45,175
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's the one, isn't it. That's exactly what

1837
01:44:45,295 --> 01:44:48,295
Speaker 3: you should be doing. Anyway, say something quite different and

1838
01:44:48,375 --> 01:44:50,575
Speaker 3: it's a bit more towards your thing. I've been we've

1839
01:44:50,575 --> 01:44:53,175
Speaker 3: put a new garage in at home and took a

1840
01:44:53,255 --> 01:44:55,535
Speaker 3: long time and all this sort of stuff. But around

1841
01:44:55,615 --> 01:44:57,975
Speaker 3: there we put, you know, we put if you like,

1842
01:44:58,095 --> 01:45:01,895
Speaker 3: regret and the stone around there for their entrance off

1843
01:45:01,935 --> 01:45:05,815
Speaker 3: the garage. I came across this little company here in

1844
01:45:05,855 --> 01:45:11,015
Speaker 3: christ called Graystone Screening and Crushing. What do you normally

1845
01:45:11,295 --> 01:45:14,855
Speaker 3: pay for a cubic meter of let's say, you know,

1846
01:45:16,855 --> 01:45:21,415
Speaker 3: fourteen mil stuff that you can use on your It's unbelievable.

1847
01:45:21,455 --> 01:45:23,895
Speaker 3: There were so cheap these people. There was just unbelievable.

1848
01:45:24,135 --> 01:45:26,575
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe you could get a ton of that

1849
01:45:26,655 --> 01:45:29,215
Speaker 3: stuff for thirty thirty five bucks.

1850
01:45:29,935 --> 01:45:33,015
Speaker 6: That's actually pretty sharp price. Look, a lot of it

1851
01:45:33,135 --> 01:45:35,535
Speaker 6: depends on things like how far they have to travel

1852
01:45:35,535 --> 01:45:38,095
Speaker 6: from the quarry, and that's an issue for Auckland. For example,

1853
01:45:39,095 --> 01:45:41,855
Speaker 6: when I first started building right the first house we

1854
01:45:41,935 --> 01:45:45,135
Speaker 6: did was in Saint John's and when we needed some scoria,

1855
01:45:45,415 --> 01:45:47,695
Speaker 6: you hoked the trailer on. You drove down Lane AV

1856
01:45:47,855 --> 01:45:50,775
Speaker 6: into the quarry at Mount Wellington and they loaded up

1857
01:45:50,775 --> 01:45:54,015
Speaker 6: the trailer and you drove out right now. That quarry's gone.

1858
01:45:54,055 --> 01:45:57,615
Speaker 6: That's housing three queens has gone. Now, if you're looking

1859
01:45:57,655 --> 01:46:01,495
Speaker 6: at quarried material talking about drury or rama rama, no,

1860
01:46:02,495 --> 01:46:05,175
Speaker 6: you know, because there's no quarries in Auckland. People don't

1861
01:46:05,255 --> 01:46:08,455
Speaker 6: like quarries next to the back fits, no, I can imagine.

1862
01:46:08,495 --> 01:46:09,935
Speaker 6: So hence the cost goes up.

1863
01:46:10,855 --> 01:46:11,095
Speaker 3: Wow.

1864
01:46:12,695 --> 01:46:15,015
Speaker 6: But yeah, that'll that'll be a large part. The other

1865
01:46:15,335 --> 01:46:19,175
Speaker 6: really cool thing is that obviously we're now reasonably engaged

1866
01:46:19,215 --> 01:46:22,375
Speaker 6: with being able to recycle concrete waste, so you know,

1867
01:46:22,495 --> 01:46:25,655
Speaker 6: rather than that going into hardvill it'll go get crushed

1868
01:46:25,695 --> 01:46:27,175
Speaker 6: and recycled as phil.

1869
01:46:27,575 --> 01:46:29,175
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes total sense.

1870
01:46:29,255 --> 01:46:29,975
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

1871
01:46:30,015 --> 01:46:31,895
Speaker 3: The guy, the guy of Graystown, he told me also

1872
01:46:31,935 --> 01:46:34,375
Speaker 3: about something that he was looking at in the Rakaia

1873
01:46:34,495 --> 01:46:37,455
Speaker 3: River and things like that, and mucking around there with

1874
01:46:37,855 --> 01:46:42,415
Speaker 3: literally creating new habitats at the same time. So it's

1875
01:46:42,655 --> 01:46:45,175
Speaker 3: it's almost like a quarry of a river if you like,

1876
01:46:45,775 --> 01:46:49,255
Speaker 3: made it made back into a wonderful place for creatures

1877
01:46:49,295 --> 01:46:51,135
Speaker 3: to live and birds to live and plants to live.

1878
01:46:52,975 --> 01:46:55,535
Speaker 3: And I love that when I see that. By the way,

1879
01:46:55,575 --> 01:46:57,615
Speaker 3: did you, by the way, did you see this this

1880
01:46:57,775 --> 01:47:05,935
Speaker 3: week's dock advertisements of uh, you know, it's the conservation week,

1881
01:47:05,975 --> 01:47:10,495
Speaker 3: if you're right. So the idea was that we are

1882
01:47:10,615 --> 01:47:13,375
Speaker 3: not just with what do you call it, five point

1883
01:47:13,495 --> 01:47:20,375
Speaker 3: three million New Zealanders, we are basically with something like

1884
01:47:20,455 --> 01:47:25,015
Speaker 3: six hundred and ninety five billion residents in New Zealand, right,

1885
01:47:25,775 --> 01:47:29,015
Speaker 3: and twenty eight thousand species of those are endemic and

1886
01:47:29,255 --> 01:47:32,935
Speaker 3: only live in music. I love stuff like that. Do

1887
01:47:33,055 --> 01:47:35,055
Speaker 3: the maths and talk to the kids and the teachers

1888
01:47:35,095 --> 01:47:37,935
Speaker 3: at schools and talk about these sort of things. Well done, Doc,

1889
01:47:38,095 --> 01:47:40,535
Speaker 3: I think that was a great week we just had.

1890
01:47:40,615 --> 01:47:42,735
Speaker 3: I just thought it'd, you know, make that point.

1891
01:47:43,415 --> 01:47:45,775
Speaker 6: And you know the numbers are great, and the numbers

1892
01:47:45,815 --> 01:47:46,655
Speaker 6: make you feel proud.

1893
01:47:47,255 --> 01:47:47,455
Speaker 3: Wow.

1894
01:47:47,815 --> 01:47:49,135
Speaker 6: Yes, that's kind of how I say it.

1895
01:47:49,615 --> 01:47:52,535
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're looking after a lot of different creatures.

1896
01:47:52,575 --> 01:47:55,615
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've talked to a few people like Helen. Good

1897
01:47:55,655 --> 01:47:56,175
Speaker 6: morning to you.

1898
01:47:57,535 --> 01:48:02,135
Speaker 18: Yes, good morning Helen. From my very point, happy father,

1899
01:48:02,295 --> 01:48:07,175
Speaker 18: say gentlemen, thank you. Hi. I just wanted to know

1900
01:48:07,455 --> 01:48:13,695
Speaker 18: when is the correct time in Auckland to prune tamarillo trees.

1901
01:48:15,495 --> 01:48:19,055
Speaker 3: I think that should have happened in winter, so you

1902
01:48:19,095 --> 01:48:23,055
Speaker 3: could still have a go at that, right, Okay, but

1903
01:48:23,615 --> 01:48:26,775
Speaker 3: make it make it reasonably quick, I would say.

1904
01:48:28,095 --> 01:48:30,015
Speaker 18: Okay, before it warms up too much.

1905
01:48:30,655 --> 01:48:37,535
Speaker 3: Do you have good Do you have good fruit coming

1906
01:48:37,575 --> 01:48:41,335
Speaker 3: off your tree? Is it large enough to to live properly?

1907
01:48:41,455 --> 01:48:41,615
Speaker 18: There?

1908
01:48:42,455 --> 01:48:43,015
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1909
01:48:43,255 --> 01:48:48,855
Speaker 18: Is they go beautifully here? Yes, that's all lovely virgin soil,

1910
01:48:48,935 --> 01:48:50,375
Speaker 18: and all the fruit trees too.

1911
01:48:50,375 --> 01:48:53,775
Speaker 3: Well, nice, that's really lovely. Yeah.

1912
01:48:54,655 --> 01:48:58,895
Speaker 18: I have many varieties of the tamarillo, you know, the

1913
01:48:59,055 --> 01:49:03,215
Speaker 18: golden ones and the red ones, and they're just delicious.

1914
01:49:03,775 --> 01:49:06,135
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, good, Now this is a good time. You

1915
01:49:06,135 --> 01:49:09,775
Speaker 3: can still do it, but but be reasonably smart with it,

1916
01:49:09,895 --> 01:49:12,255
Speaker 3: because of course this thing starts to flower soon and

1917
01:49:12,855 --> 01:49:15,335
Speaker 3: you need some You need some good good wood for that.

1918
01:49:15,615 --> 01:49:18,415
Speaker 18: Yep, yep, I'll do it today, Thank you.

1919
01:49:21,215 --> 01:49:24,015
Speaker 6: You take care it quick. Tikest as well. So do

1920
01:49:24,135 --> 01:49:26,775
Speaker 6: I need to fertilize a young avocado tree?

1921
01:49:27,535 --> 01:49:27,735
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1922
01:49:27,775 --> 01:49:32,775
Speaker 3: I wish this person would ring up, because of course

1923
01:49:32,895 --> 01:49:36,975
Speaker 3: you fertilize a young evagada tree. You fertilize every plant

1924
01:49:37,095 --> 01:49:39,455
Speaker 3: if you like that you've got in your garden. But

1925
01:49:39,615 --> 01:49:42,375
Speaker 3: I was wondering if there was another story behind that.

1926
01:49:43,295 --> 01:49:45,615
Speaker 3: So the answer is yes I would, and what I

1927
01:49:45,655 --> 01:49:48,015
Speaker 3: would do from now on is do a little bit

1928
01:49:48,255 --> 01:49:51,895
Speaker 3: of general fertilizer with a little bit of sulfate of

1929
01:49:52,015 --> 01:49:55,175
Speaker 3: potash to make sure that they will start to flower

1930
01:49:55,255 --> 01:49:58,015
Speaker 3: as soon as they can, and that means also having

1931
01:49:58,055 --> 01:50:02,255
Speaker 3: fruit going, right, Yes, good time to do it.

1932
01:50:02,375 --> 01:50:04,575
Speaker 6: I've got to get onto that round my place as well.

1933
01:50:05,215 --> 01:50:06,255
Speaker 6: Now someone sticks through as well.

1934
01:50:06,295 --> 01:50:06,375
Speaker 15: Well.

1935
01:50:06,455 --> 01:50:08,775
Speaker 6: Is it normal to be infisted by ants at this

1936
01:50:08,935 --> 01:50:10,775
Speaker 6: time of year in christ Church?

1937
01:50:11,495 --> 01:50:14,375
Speaker 3: Good news and bad news. Good news is yes. The

1938
01:50:14,495 --> 01:50:16,215
Speaker 3: bad news is they're not native.

1939
01:50:17,135 --> 01:50:17,335
Speaker 5: Right.

1940
01:50:18,175 --> 01:50:20,815
Speaker 3: In other words, what I've noticed is we are getting

1941
01:50:20,895 --> 01:50:23,935
Speaker 3: more and more introduced ants in christ Church, and they

1942
01:50:24,055 --> 01:50:28,415
Speaker 3: have an ability to literally keep going despite the fact

1943
01:50:28,455 --> 01:50:31,615
Speaker 3: that it's quite cold in christ Church in the wintertime.

1944
01:50:31,655 --> 01:50:34,015
Speaker 3: They keep going, and they will come into your house.

1945
01:50:34,095 --> 01:50:38,055
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, many different species now, okay, And it's

1946
01:50:38,215 --> 01:50:41,855
Speaker 3: really it's unbelievable how these things travel and getting to

1947
01:50:42,335 --> 01:50:45,095
Speaker 3: to Soudain places now with I suppose climate disruption.

1948
01:50:45,655 --> 01:50:50,615
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, okay, well right, hey, grunt, a very good

1949
01:50:50,655 --> 01:50:51,055
Speaker 6: morning to.

1950
01:50:51,095 --> 01:50:54,895
Speaker 12: You at the top of the morning, gentlemen. A cross

1951
01:50:54,975 --> 01:50:59,495
Speaker 12: collination of fruit trees. Yeah, I have two feed o trees.

1952
01:51:00,215 --> 01:51:03,615
Speaker 12: One's the small fruit bit sweet, one's the big fruit

1953
01:51:03,655 --> 01:51:06,815
Speaker 12: bet sweet. And they seem to be they seem to

1954
01:51:06,855 --> 01:51:09,615
Speaker 12: be happy as my free the theatre of fruit are

1955
01:51:09,655 --> 01:51:12,575
Speaker 12: now big and sweet became. My problem is with my

1956
01:51:12,735 --> 01:51:17,375
Speaker 12: lemon tree. It's doing something with my mandarin tree. Because

1957
01:51:17,415 --> 01:51:22,135
Speaker 12: now I've got easy peel lemons. Does that happen?

1958
01:51:23,055 --> 01:51:23,335
Speaker 11: You know?

1959
01:51:23,735 --> 01:51:26,575
Speaker 3: I don't maybe, but I hadn't heard about that.

1960
01:51:27,095 --> 01:51:27,255
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1961
01:51:27,295 --> 01:51:27,735
Speaker 16: I like that.

1962
01:51:28,175 --> 01:51:31,055
Speaker 3: I like the way you describe it easy peel lemons.

1963
01:51:32,215 --> 01:51:32,775
Speaker 3: Are you sure?

1964
01:51:33,735 --> 01:51:37,655
Speaker 12: Because yesterday as a lemon tree, as a maya lemon,

1965
01:51:38,535 --> 01:51:42,015
Speaker 12: and I have an easy peel menda in the sanumi

1966
01:51:42,135 --> 01:51:43,175
Speaker 12: one whatever it's called.

1967
01:51:45,615 --> 01:51:48,335
Speaker 3: Ah, you got a different variety there, Okay, got you? Yeah,

1968
01:51:48,375 --> 01:51:49,375
Speaker 3: all right, Okay.

1969
01:51:49,535 --> 01:51:52,455
Speaker 12: Now the problem with the lemon is the lemons the

1970
01:51:52,895 --> 01:51:56,215
Speaker 12: lemon fruit all of the time. Because I am singing

1971
01:51:56,255 --> 01:51:58,255
Speaker 12: you bother it twice a year, once in the autumn

1972
01:51:58,375 --> 01:51:59,975
Speaker 12: and once in the spring, because I've heard you talk

1973
01:52:00,015 --> 01:52:03,335
Speaker 12: about that before, so I've done it an autumn and spring.

1974
01:52:03,935 --> 01:52:04,015
Speaker 7: Ye.

1975
01:52:05,295 --> 01:52:08,135
Speaker 12: But yeah, but the the fruit inside the lemon is

1976
01:52:08,215 --> 01:52:12,295
Speaker 12: like really small and appeals off and sigmaents. That's why

1977
01:52:12,335 --> 01:52:13,975
Speaker 12: I'm thinking of the story and something with the men

1978
01:52:14,015 --> 01:52:15,015
Speaker 12: their entry at night time.

1979
01:52:15,575 --> 01:52:17,975
Speaker 3: I don't I wouldn't think that that would be the case.

1980
01:52:18,015 --> 01:52:19,815
Speaker 3: But what I would do if I were you, And

1981
01:52:19,895 --> 01:52:22,415
Speaker 3: that is probably a good idea is to have a

1982
01:52:22,615 --> 01:52:27,135
Speaker 3: second mayor lemon, because mayor lemon has this ability, has

1983
01:52:27,175 --> 01:52:30,575
Speaker 3: ability to go on for one year and the next

1984
01:52:30,655 --> 01:52:33,415
Speaker 3: year going like nap, and then the next year.

1985
01:52:33,415 --> 01:52:33,735
Speaker 16: Oh yeah.

1986
01:52:35,295 --> 01:52:38,135
Speaker 3: So if you want constant lemons, you know what I mean,

1987
01:52:38,215 --> 01:52:40,215
Speaker 3: I usually say, get two or three, put them together.

1988
01:52:40,495 --> 01:52:43,575
Speaker 3: In fact, plant them in the same hole if you like,

1989
01:52:43,775 --> 01:52:49,215
Speaker 3: because by having three different lemons, if you like lemon

1990
01:52:49,255 --> 01:52:52,415
Speaker 3: trees in one hole, you treat them like one. But

1991
01:52:52,535 --> 01:52:58,775
Speaker 3: their genetic one off, one off year system will change.

1992
01:53:00,015 --> 01:53:00,215
Speaker 7: Yeap.

1993
01:53:00,455 --> 01:53:03,615
Speaker 12: When I bought the when I bought the two citrus trees,

1994
01:53:03,615 --> 01:53:05,335
Speaker 12: I bought them at the same time. I hear you,

1995
01:53:06,335 --> 01:53:08,175
Speaker 12: I bought them because you're about three years old.

1996
01:53:08,815 --> 01:53:10,095
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you say?

1997
01:53:11,495 --> 01:53:11,655
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1998
01:53:12,335 --> 01:53:16,295
Speaker 12: The lemitary that they do everything perfect, everything's perfect. They

1999
01:53:16,335 --> 01:53:19,255
Speaker 12: set for the lemon. It's the fruit inside the lemon

2000
01:53:19,415 --> 01:53:21,735
Speaker 12: is actually quite small. But I was thinking about planting

2001
01:53:21,775 --> 01:53:23,015
Speaker 12: another lemonary beside it.

2002
01:53:23,615 --> 01:53:27,015
Speaker 14: Yeah, I do, yeah, because because when I first bought them,

2003
01:53:27,655 --> 01:53:30,935
Speaker 14: you go, no, yeah, you go you fish for them.

2004
01:53:31,815 --> 01:53:32,055
Speaker 7: Okay.

2005
01:53:32,095 --> 01:53:34,055
Speaker 12: When I when I first brought them, I did cut

2006
01:53:34,095 --> 01:53:36,575
Speaker 12: the flowers off the first lot of flowers that I

2007
01:53:36,615 --> 01:53:38,335
Speaker 12: saw as soon as the start of flowing, because I

2008
01:53:38,415 --> 01:53:40,335
Speaker 12: heard you say something that they need growth in the

2009
01:53:40,415 --> 01:53:42,615
Speaker 12: first year or something like that. So I just topped

2010
01:53:42,615 --> 01:53:44,615
Speaker 12: all the flowers off and I did that on both

2011
01:53:44,655 --> 01:53:47,215
Speaker 12: of them, and the second year they fruited.

2012
01:53:47,295 --> 01:53:50,135
Speaker 13: Like wow, look at this, you know, Yeah, you got it.

2013
01:53:50,415 --> 01:53:52,295
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to give them time, and you've got

2014
01:53:52,415 --> 01:53:55,855
Speaker 3: to give build a cut and if you like, build

2015
01:53:55,895 --> 01:53:58,535
Speaker 3: a body for those things so they can actually then

2016
01:53:58,575 --> 01:53:59,415
Speaker 3: have fruit later on.

2017
01:53:59,535 --> 01:53:59,695
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2018
01:53:59,735 --> 01:54:02,695
Speaker 3: No, that's a good idea. But the ideas of having

2019
01:54:02,775 --> 01:54:07,615
Speaker 3: different the same variety, like the maya in one one

2020
01:54:07,855 --> 01:54:10,335
Speaker 3: finishes one year and the other one doesn't do that

2021
01:54:10,535 --> 01:54:14,415
Speaker 3: very well, and they swap faces if you like. Yeah,

2022
01:54:14,815 --> 01:54:18,215
Speaker 3: it's no. But you know, from now on, yeah, go on.

2023
01:54:18,335 --> 01:54:20,455
Speaker 3: From from now on. What I would do is is

2024
01:54:21,415 --> 01:54:24,735
Speaker 3: fertilize your lemon trees from now on. Absolutely, have a

2025
01:54:24,775 --> 01:54:25,455
Speaker 3: good go with them.

2026
01:54:26,215 --> 01:54:29,015
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, copanas, thank you very much. Y.

2027
01:54:29,415 --> 01:54:32,935
Speaker 3: Hey morning, welcome friend ground.

2028
01:54:33,215 --> 01:54:35,615
Speaker 6: You have a great day. Take care, right, we might

2029
01:54:35,695 --> 01:54:37,735
Speaker 6: take short break. We'll be back. Actually, we've got some

2030
01:54:37,815 --> 01:54:40,215
Speaker 6: spear line, so if you have a question for it,

2031
01:54:40,375 --> 01:54:43,055
Speaker 6: call us right now. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2032
01:54:44,015 --> 01:54:46,975
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2033
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2034
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2035
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2036
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