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Speaker 1: is very unfortunate because I did promise that he would

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Speaker 1: to wait till Monday when Ryan is back. But I

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Speaker 1: will talk about politics because Jason Walls has stepped into

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Speaker 1: the breach after Barry hurt himself. Hello, Jas, Hey, what

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Speaker 2: It's going to be sorry to let everyone down. It's

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Speaker 2: just me.

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Speaker 1: No, you're our rock. Barry a flippity gibbet that flies

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about this with Rob Camble. Just after five,

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Speaker 1: another top Ministry of Health official has resigned. That is

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Speaker 1: the third in a week. They're dropping night flies. Are

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Speaker 1: they being pushed or are they jumping?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean you'd have to look at

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Speaker 2: deciding that eventually they probably would be. And today's a

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Speaker 2: perfect example. I mean, we had the statement this morning

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Speaker 2: within the health sector. And then she went on to say,

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Speaker 2: and get this, now, having made the decision to go,

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Speaker 2: I have decided to leave promptly. Doesn't exactly sound like

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Speaker 2: It's all sunshine and rainbows and they're just moving on

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Speaker 2: to the next thing. That's not the sort of thing

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Speaker 2: So you would have to look at this situation and

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Speaker 2: think that, you know, we had Maji Appa leaving this

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Speaker 2: time last week. We've had the Directed General saying that

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Speaker 2: she's leaving this morning. Things are not all all fantastic

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Speaker 2: right at the top of health in New Zealand. And

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Speaker 2: that's not to say that the governments, specifically Simeon Brown

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Speaker 2: come through. And speaking to press this afternoon, Health Minister

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Speaker 2: Simme and Brown, he had a message that he was

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Speaker 4: I want to thank her for her commitment to ensuring

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Speaker 4: the health system delivers for New Zealanders and delivering these

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Speaker 4: delivering and now we're making sure we're delivering and they

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Speaker 4: are focused on delivery, focus on delivery. We want to

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Speaker 4: empower them so they can deliver.

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Speaker 2: Just call them the pizza man, because Simeon Brown wants

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Speaker 2: to deliver. Now, that was the thought that all that

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Speaker 2: He was asked outright if he forced to fight the

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Speaker 2: out here's what he said.

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Speaker 1: The Director General question.

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Speaker 4: Look, ultimately, she made her own decision. Here what she

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Speaker 2: So remember that she was appointed only in November twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. So there's a clear, clear reason as to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look, hold on, first of all, for the

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Speaker 1: people to know, Dianasavarati is basically the new Ashley bomb Field, right,

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Speaker 1: she's the Rectro General of Health. She went in there

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Speaker 1: making more demands. I mean, she's running hither and that

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Speaker 1: And she just thought, nah, she just thought, nah. That's

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Speaker 1: what my opinion is. There's a former defense and a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is. Well, according to Waikato University Foreign policy

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Speaker 3: Then it looks like the tr administration and are hitting

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Speaker 3: to try and in the rush of Ukraine war. To me,

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Speaker 3: which is an endopercific. I'm hoping we don't cascade into war.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what probability to put on it. Fifty

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Speaker 1: Fifty to fifty bikes.

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Speaker 2: I do not like those odds. Okay, fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 1: I'm too over conservetion, But you boy.

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Speaker 2: I might be right in the firing lines. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: not very good odds at all.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: He was on a panel along with former National Minister

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Speaker 2: McCully says that the US frankly are not doing a

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Speaker 5: In the region. The US has not been able to

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Speaker 5: Interior is the lead players for many things. Those things

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Speaker 2: And guess who is stepping up And.

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Speaker 5: Now you'll see China deliver stuff in a way that

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Speaker 2: So if you've been paying attention to the news in

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Speaker 2: what's happening with the Cook Island, so not surprised to

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Speaker 2: hear this at all. Andrew Little went on to talk

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Speaker 2: I will not the Defense Capability Plan, which is essentially

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Speaker 2: the blueprint for a long term defense spending in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: is still not out. It was meant to be out

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Speaker 1: All right, Jason thank you for stepping into the breach.

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Speaker 1: Was that guy named Ruben Stiff.

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Speaker 2: Unless I'm pronouncing his name wrong, Yes, s T S

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Speaker 2: T E F F Steph.

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Speaker 1: H Steff Okay, Steph. So I can't make the joke.

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Speaker 1: That was a Steph warning and it was right. But

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Speaker 1: there we go. There's a Friday, and we're loose, and

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Speaker 1: it's seven to five, and I thank you for your time.

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