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Speaker 1: There is renewed pressure on the government now to get

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Speaker 1: on with banning the social media for under sixteens. Now

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Speaker 1: there's an outfit called Triple P Positive Parenting which wants

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Speaker 1: New Zealand to follow Australia's leader. It's bringing together MPs,

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Speaker 1: the Children's Commissioner, educators experts in Wellington to look at

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Speaker 1: how families can be supported through any change. Jackie react

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Speaker 1: as Triple P's New Zealand country leading with us. Hi Jackie,

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Speaker 1: Hi leer, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Do

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Speaker 1: you consider what's happened in Australia to be a success?

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's a really good question. I suspect it's probably

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Speaker 2: too early to say whether it's success success. We're still

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Speaker 2: you know, watching to see what the outcomes are. But

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Speaker 2: what I can say is the parents that have used

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Speaker 2: the Triple P children In's Screens program, because we do

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Speaker 2: collect data, are consistently reporting improvements in you know, the

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Speaker 2: healthy screen habits of their kids. They're saying they feel

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Speaker 2: better about managing the conflict with their kids over screens

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Speaker 2: and you know, they feel like they're supporting their kids

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Speaker 2: on my safety. So for those parents that have done that,

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Speaker 2: they've got to be wins.

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Speaker 1: Why would you not, like, if you're seeing that data

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Speaker 1: come through, why would you not say it's been a success.

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Speaker 2: I think we haven't got enough meta data to sort

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Speaker 2: of say thet the idea of the ban is. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what I would say is the ban is one thing.

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Speaker 2: What Australia did do alongside the band was implement some

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Speaker 2: parenting support. So I'm reporting the data from the parent export,

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Speaker 2: which is great because I think that's what needs to

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Speaker 2: happen if there is, I say, a ban in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: We need a few things. We need a nice sort

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Speaker 2: of solution that's got perhaps more than just a silver

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Speaker 2: bullet of a ban, you know, because actually I just

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Speaker 2: heard your piece about being a mum. You're the one

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Speaker 2: day to day that actually has to deal with the

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Speaker 2: you're not getting it, you can't have it, you know

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Speaker 2: that argument. So we need to support peer. The ban

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Speaker 2: in itself isn't going to do that necessarily.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what is the support that you guys are

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Speaker 1: offering parents in Australia. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what Australia did, and I think this really important

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Speaker 2: thing is they got in early, so they had some

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Speaker 2: really good foundational suite of Triple P online programs available

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Speaker 2: free to parents over the last three years in a

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Speaker 2: program called the Parenting Education Support Program. So there was

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Speaker 2: really good foundation there to build on some more skills

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Speaker 2: for the parents. It's really specific to children in screens.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's what they made available. What do

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Speaker 2: we need to do that?

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Speaker 1: What is okay? What can I Jackie, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: be so blunt with you right now? What the hell

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Speaker 1: is wrong with parents nowaday that we need support to

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Speaker 1: be able to tell our children, no, you're putting that

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Speaker 1: screen down, that's enough screen time.

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Speaker 2: Well do you know what? Some people can? And then

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Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of people that just need to

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Speaker 2: sort of reflect and be able to go, okay, exactly

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, what are the boundaries for our family?

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Speaker 2: And I think reflecting on what you were just saying

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Speaker 2: about some older parents, you know that. You know, I

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Speaker 2: was an older parent too, and some of the older

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Speaker 2: parents didn't grow up with a screen in their hands.

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Speaker 2: So this is a yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Not rockets, Jackie. It's not rocket science. Like all it

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Speaker 1: is is we have rules about kids eating sugar, right,

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Speaker 1: you say, like, no, you can't have you can't have

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Speaker 1: a piece of cake in the morning. Don't be a weirdo.

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Speaker 1: You know that's just going to make you a weird

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Speaker 1: kid for the rest of the day. But why can

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Speaker 1: we not transfer Like if we can have boundaries on

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Speaker 1: something like that, how hard is it to simply transfer

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Speaker 1: the boundary to a piece of technology and we might

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Speaker 1: not have had as kids. I don't understand, And Jackie,

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you a philosophical question yet, absolutely right, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why parents are such pushovers in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's part of it is all this

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Speaker 2: conflict information is that you know, you're right, we need

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Speaker 2: clear boundaries. Parents need to information about how much time

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Speaker 2: is too much time, what are the limits for the

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Speaker 2: developmental ages, and then they need to be informed about

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Speaker 2: that and to be able to put those have those conversations,

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Speaker 2: put those limits in place, and follow through. And some

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Speaker 2: people find that extremely hard. Others will actually be like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's a piece of cake. I can do that, and

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Speaker 2: I'll follow through. But I think there are conflicting messages

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Speaker 2: out there, and lots of people are very worried about

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Speaker 2: being a bad parent or you know this notion that

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Speaker 2: you know if I perhaps, if I see my child cry,

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Speaker 2: I might have made a huge mistake. Well, actually no,

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Speaker 2: kids do need to learn to regulate their emotion. They

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Speaker 2: might be upset you took it, but actually they'll learn

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Speaker 2: okay when mom says no exactly she means no, and.

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Speaker 1: Then they're lovely after that because they know the rules. Jackie,

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Speaker 1: it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: Jackie Rick, New Zealand country lead for Triple P Positive Parenting.

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