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Speaker 1: Now these skills shortage problems facing us. This time. We've

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Speaker 1: got the manufacturing, engineering, and logistics who need an extra

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Speaker 1: forty thousand people apparently by twenty twenty eight. So this

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Speaker 1: week Workforce Development Council is launching a campaign to get

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Speaker 1: boots on the ground. The chief executive Fill Alexander Crawford

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Speaker 1: is with us on this fell. Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: What enter to you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of this dichotomy, isn't it the moment? Apparently

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Speaker 1: we're in recession to get a job as hard work,

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Speaker 1: the number of ads we see is diminishing, and yet

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Speaker 1: we've got industry after industry saying we need tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of people to do amazing things. How do we

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Speaker 1: explain this?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Mike. So we've got us an aging workforce, and

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Speaker 2: every week we're seeing skilled and experienced workers retiring, and

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Speaker 2: that's only going to grow exponentially. As a result of that,

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Speaker 2: we're needing to fill those vacancies.

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Speaker 1: By my rough calculation of you're talking about twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: that's ten thousand a year. It's close to one thousand

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Speaker 1: people months.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and for people a week. Yeah, you're huge numbers,

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Speaker 2: and I mean, that's just for our manufacturing and logistics industries.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the figures are pretty similar in other industries

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. So what do we need to do. Do

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Speaker 1: we need to get them locally, get into schools to

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Speaker 1: say this is an area for you, or do we

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Speaker 1: need to rely on immigration.

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Speaker 2: Immigration settings? And immigration is a key part of filling

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Speaker 2: sales gaps. But we've got a unique opportunity in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand with our growing specific community. And this is the

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Speaker 2: difference between our Pacific community and the wider economy is

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Speaker 2: that we've got a growing They're both growing in numbers

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Speaker 2: and they're also more useful. So they are a logical

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Speaker 2: and a really useful group to work with.

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Speaker 1: That's encouraging. So are the immigration settings right in your

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Speaker 1: view at the moment? In other words, of people want

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Speaker 1: of these that want to come here to do this

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Speaker 1: sort of work, they can.

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Speaker 2: I think, as I say, immigration is important, but with

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Speaker 2: this action plan, it's designed to complement any immigration settings.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, the opportunities there not only for our industries

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Speaker 2: but all of the economy. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Part of the problem when we say broad things like manufacturing, engineering, logistics,

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Speaker 1: we might have a rough idea of what that entails,

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Speaker 1: but I'm assuming within there there are thousands upon thousands

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Speaker 1: upon thousands of different jobs and careers and alternatives.

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Speaker 2: Totally totally, and when you try and split them up

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Speaker 2: into different industries you can do it. But when you

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Speaker 2: have a look, for example, with what the government's intending

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Speaker 2: to do with the infrastructure spend, you can't do that

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Speaker 2: without manufacturing, engineering, and logistics. So yeah, there are overlaps

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Speaker 2: between industries and there they're a huge diversity of roles

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Speaker 2: and that's exciting, exciting for people that we just need

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Speaker 2: to make sure our commenities understand how exciting our industries are.

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Speaker 1: Exactly and how much of this is around growth therefore

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Speaker 1: optimistic versus as you say, just old people retiring and

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Speaker 1: new people required. So, in other words, are we going

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Speaker 1: places with this or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you believe in history, and obviously we go

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Speaker 2: through economics cycles, we will see growth at some stage.

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Speaker 2: And so as I say, with the government intended spend

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Speaker 2: of infrastructure, it's clearly going to be our last degree

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Speaker 2: of growth emanating from that, and so that's going to

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Speaker 2: require skilled workforce and we need to fill those roles.

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Speaker 1: Nice stuff go well with the campaign Phil Alexander Crawford,

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Speaker 1: who's with the work Force Development Council.

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