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Speaker 2: Hello Grant, New Zealands, and welcome to Matta Tyler Full

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Speaker 2: Show Podcast number two nine four for the twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: twenty fourth, twenty fourth of February twenty twenty six. Great

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Speaker 2: show today, have a lot of topics, went deep into

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Speaker 2: air traffic control. Chris Hopkins tell you what he hasn't

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Speaker 2: convinced a lot of our listeners.

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Speaker 3: No, no, not yet, but he's got a week to do.

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Speaker 2: But a few few full throated supporters, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to say it was the majority.

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Speaker 3: Yep. And great chat about whether it's okay to ask

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Speaker 3: your guests to pay for the dinner at a wedding.

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Speaker 3: So listen out for that great show, download, subscribe and

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Speaker 3: give us a review.

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Speaker 2: Give me a toast.

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Speaker 3: Scu you all right, then, I love.

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Speaker 1: You a lot of the big stories, the big issues,

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Speaker 1: the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 4: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon Squid GODA News

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Speaker 4: Talk S eDV.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, cheer, welcome into Tuesday show. Really good

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Speaker 3: of your company. As always, get a Matt's before.

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Speaker 2: We get on to the topic of the hour. I'd

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Speaker 2: just like to make a public apology, okay. As I

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Speaker 2: said at twelve, I said, I'll make a public apology

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Speaker 2: at one, an enforced public apology. Yes, so I've got

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Speaker 2: a prepared statement here.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is huge, this is massive.

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Speaker 2: I would like to make a public apology around some

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Speaker 2: of the comments I made on Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Adams afternoons on news talk z'd be yesterday. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: insinuated that my lovely partner Tracy had been delivered home

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Speaker 2: from a Hen's party in the weekend on a shopping trolley.

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Speaker 2: There is no evidence to support this conclusion, and she

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Speaker 2: strenuously denies the claim. The shopping trolley arriving on our

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Speaker 2: boom is much more likely to be from an unrelated incident,

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Speaker 2: just because it's unfair for me to link these two events.

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Speaker 2: The fact she spent thirteen hours at a pool party

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Speaker 2: for her friend Hayley's hens Do does not link her

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Speaker 2: to the shopping trolley on the boom. Tracy has asked

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Speaker 2: me to add this, which she said Matt went missing

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Speaker 2: for two days on a stag do once if anyone

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Speaker 2: is going to come home from a get together with

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Speaker 2: mates and a shopping trolley, it is Matt and not me.

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Speaker 2: I came home in an uber and have since showing

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Speaker 2: Matt evidence of this. I didn't even drink that much.

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Speaker 2: Hugely hypocritical of Matt, who is far from well behaved

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Speaker 2: went out with his friends to suggest this of me.

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Speaker 2: So what I'd like to say to Tracy is this, Well,

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Speaker 2: this may all be well and good, but it does

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Speaker 2: seem a little bit coincidental that she was out her

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Speaker 2: as a trolley arriving on the boom. But I do

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Speaker 2: apologize wholeheartedly for suggesting that there is a link between

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Speaker 3: That is big of you, mate, Well done. Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: is beautifully prepared statement. We need to hear more about

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Speaker 3: this stag to incident that you're involved in, but maybe

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Speaker 3: that's for another day, but we can put that one

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Speaker 3: to rest, mate, Well done.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's move on and everyone can

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Speaker 2: be happy at home and work from now on.

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Speaker 3: To the show to after three o'clock we want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat about Bunnings, so the hardware giant will

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Speaker 3: soon be available on the Uber Eats delivery service for

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Speaker 3: more than thirty thousand items will be available for anyone

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Speaker 2: Is this lazy? Can we not even be bothered going

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Speaker 2: And then returning to the hardware store afterwards because you

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock, erewass. New Zealand is pushing for the

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Speaker 3: CA Civil Aviation Authority at the lower the age New

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Speaker 3: Zealanders can get any air traffic control license. This is

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Speaker 3: air traffic control provider sounded the alarm. During an address

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Speaker 2: Yeah, massive concern because we need these air traffic controllers.

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Speaker 2: So I'd be interested to hear about the job if

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Speaker 2: what opportunities there are overseas. One of the things that

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Speaker 2: So you're asking people to not even start the training

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Speaker 3: It makes a lot of sense to lower it because

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Speaker 2: Do we need to make it easier for people that

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Speaker 2: make them stay?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Do we need to rustle up some money to pay them?

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Speaker 2: Do we need to make training easier for them?

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that discussion after two o'clock, But right now,

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Speaker 3: addressed by Christopher Hopkins, Labour's leader yesterday. So you said

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Speaker 3: a notable shift from the previous Labor government. That administration,

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Speaker 2: One thing is clear.

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Speaker 6: We were trying to do too much, too fast, and

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Speaker 6: because frankly, Kiwis have had enough of promises that aren't

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Speaker 6: be focusing on what matters the most and delivering on

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Speaker 6: those things. I'm not promising perfection. Where we make mistakes,

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Speaker 6: I'll take responsibility for those. But I'm promising this a

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Speaker 6: government that puts the cost of living first, a government

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So do you see this as a leader

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Speaker 2: signaling that he has learned some lessons and would govern

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Speaker 2: time around? Or do you find this speech a little

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Speaker 2: bit ironic? Has hither dup to see Alan did? Because

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Speaker 2: you know, the things he criticized, youth migration, affordably, inflation,

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Speaker 2: the very problems he's outlining to fix are in no

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Speaker 2: small part cause by himself. Yeah, is that the way

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Speaker 2: you see it? What do you think he's laying out

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Speaker 2: a solid a solid platform for the future.

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Speaker 3: Come on through. I want one hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: Listening to that piece of audio, he said, we're not

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Speaker 3: was a few promises he made. We're going to tackle

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Speaker 3: the cost of living. Okay, that's a promise. How are

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Speaker 3: to promise to work with businesses to get them what

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Speaker 3: to do that? Nothing on how you're going to do that.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get more kiwis in two homes, How

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Speaker 3: are you going to do that? You start up promises

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Speaker 2: Was this. Tom Sainsbury, the great New Zealand comedian, had

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Speaker 2: looking exactly the same as different political leaders promising those

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Speaker 2: exact same things. Yeah, so these are the things that

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Speaker 2: need right, Yeah, but how do you do those things?

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Speaker 2: It is going to be and why did you not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty the phones have lit up. Nineteen ninety two

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Speaker 3: is the text. Leaks, get into it. It is fourteen

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Adam's afternoons US talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be seventeen past one. So we're talking about Chris

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Speaker 3: Hopkins State of the Nation's speech yesterday. Do you think

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Speaker 3: that labor has learned from the mistakes of the past

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Speaker 3: if you believe they made mistakes? So one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to call. Nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is the text.

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Speaker 2: The success stop with the propaganda. The whole world had

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Speaker 2: high inflation and was coming down AAA credit rating, and

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Speaker 2: now where where are we This government haven't kept promises either,

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Speaker 2: cost of living hasn't come down, says this text. This

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Speaker 2: one says I'm time to turn you right wing media

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Speaker 2: mouthpieces off, biased white wing knobs. Okay, And this one says,

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Speaker 2: here we go again with you labor apologists. I won't

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Speaker 3: So yeah, extremes on both sides, as there always is

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Speaker 7: A matt mate. Well, Hipkins can't even keep a promise

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Speaker 7: to himself. Didn't he say he's going to not any

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Speaker 7: more sausage rolls before his wedding?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he might have made that promise to himself, but

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Speaker 3: you know, we will be there. Is he is he

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Speaker 3: running a but I thought he was looking all right?

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Speaker 8: Is he?

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Speaker 2: Has he been piling on the pounds a little bit?

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Speaker 2: I left him?

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Speaker 7: But he was a sausage rolls on the news last night.

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Speaker 2: He's really been hoisted on that that sausage roll thing,

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Speaker 7: Yeah. But the side. Now that guy wouldn't be able

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Speaker 7: Well, not really, because he says what he's going to do,

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Speaker 7: Anyone can say what they're going to do, but it's

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Speaker 2: Do you like anything he said, Matt, He's one thing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt, good point. I mean it's yeah, okay, fair

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Speaker 2: The Okay, we can't read that one. Basically this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, We're got a lot of that sort of

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Speaker 1: It's the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: To the government of putting two hundred million into Genesis

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Speaker 10: as part of the capital rows. Of course, they currently

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Speaker 10: Nikola Willis is the Finance minister.

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Speaker 11: We are on the side of making sure that e

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Speaker 10: We all agree that we need more capacity, and I

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Speaker 11: Well, in this case, if we didn't take part, we

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Speaker 2: Say, I get that, who cares well?

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Speaker 11: I think you'd find that one of my coalition partners

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Speaker 3: Twenty four past one, on the back of a Cris

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Speaker 2: The success Listen to you more on saying that the

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Speaker 2: lockdown was too long. I suppose you would have been

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Speaker 2: happy with your parents dying. Whoa, whoa, Okay, well, actually

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Speaker 2: my dear mum has passed. I miss her every day,

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Speaker 2: but not from COVID. Right, Okay, Yeah, it was not long.

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Speaker 2: If anything, it was too short. But that's an interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: You say that because Chris Hipkins himself in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: Know, he said it himself. That's a mere culpra of

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Speaker 2: So text, you're you're you were trying to stick up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your dear leaders already addressed that.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you would have been happy with your parents dying.

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Speaker 2: My goodness, yep, right, my goodness.

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Speaker 3: Text Ruthless on a Tuesday one hundred and eighty two

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Speaker 3: number to call Getopeter today. He does very good. What

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 13: I've been reckoning it for a long time. So I've

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Speaker 13: And basically, a leader will lead with vision or lead

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Speaker 13: he's created a great state of the nation with a

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Speaker 13: We're acknowledging our shortfalls which were horrific and devastating to

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Speaker 13: I'm a good guy, but I've got a vision. You'll

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Speaker 13: it's time he went.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he has any points around you know,

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Speaker 2: he's saying that the amount of people that are leaving

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Speaker 2: you think he's got any points around national not delivering

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Speaker 13: No, because people were starting to leave the country at

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Speaker 13: the end of their term. Business liquidations were record numbers

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Speaker 13: at the end of their turn. We've been through this

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Speaker 13: And I'm not stuck on any one party, so it's

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Speaker 13: If your household budget is failing, you have to tighten

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Speaker 13: for everything. If it was managed correctly like a good

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Speaker 13: many liquidations, it's hard to get a job, all those

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Speaker 13: turning around, Things are getting slightly better, and to be fair,

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Speaker 13: considering the size of the epic mess, it's probably not

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Speaker 3: Just out of interest, Peter, what part of the country are.

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Speaker 13: You in our christ Church?

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Speaker 3: You're in christ Church. Yeah, I just asked that because

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Speaker 3: understandably I'm originally from christ Church but been up here

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Speaker 3: I mean, not necessarily for you, Peter, but of that lockdown,

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Speaker 3: it was elongated, it was soul crushing, it was credited

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Speaker 3: The rest we don't need to iron over those coals again.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I wonder if there is some more

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Speaker 3: you're pretty fired up in christ Juts. Would you think

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Speaker 4: In terms of I don't know.

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Speaker 13: I mean I still look out there and see people

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Speaker 13: They're just going to vote labor no matter what, because

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Speaker 13: I don't trust him. Whatever he says, I feel like

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Speaker 13: it's it's been written by someone else. It's there to appeal.

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Speaker 13: But as he keeps stating, he can't say anything he's

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Speaker 13: he says the right things. I don't trust people that

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Speaker 2: Do you think, though, because one of the criticisms against

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Speaker 2: the things they promised, do you think there's something refreshing

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Speaker 2: quite as much as or promises as much.

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Speaker 13: If I believed him and he hadn't had the track record,

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Speaker 13: possibly I got a bit I had a weak moment

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Speaker 13: and thought to Cindra Adurn might be a good Prime

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Speaker 13: completely the opposite of the picture I had in my head.

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Speaker 13: I think press Hipkins is made of the same picture

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Speaker 9: I just don't trust him.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one, isn't it, Because you you know,

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Speaker 2: they could do with Key We Build and what they

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Speaker 2: So it seems a little bit like his argument now

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Speaker 2: is the mistake I made there was promising something, yes,

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Speaker 2: lack of delivery. It was the claiming I could deliver something.

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Speaker 13: No, what Key I'm sort of attached to the realistate industry.

439
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Speaker 13: What Care we Build was was a government name on

440
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Speaker 13: something that was relying on contractors and builders in the

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Speaker 13: industry to join hands with it and start producing houses

442
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Speaker 13: in the name a Key we Built, but true to

443
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Speaker 13: government form, so complicated to work with government that they

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Speaker 13: didn't choose to do it. Hence Key we Build never

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Speaker 13: looked like it took off. It was a name relying

446
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Speaker 13: on someone else filling the gap that no one wanted

447
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Speaker 13: to work for government because they're so tricky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on your Peter. I mean, as you said, Matt,

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Speaker 3: it's a hell of a strategy that I'm not going

450
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Speaker 3: to promise anything and you can't get me on anything

451
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Speaker 3: if I don't deliver anything. Never promised it in the

452
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Speaker 3: first place. Is that a winny strategy?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We tried to do too much and

454
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Speaker 2: as a result got very little done. So this time

455
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Speaker 2: we're not going to say we're going to do much

456
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Speaker 2: and we're not going to try and do as much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bold, But keen on your views. O one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty after Chris Hapkin State of the

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Speaker 3: Nation address, do you think him and the Labour Party

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Speaker 3: have learnt from the mistakes they may have made in

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Speaker 3: the past? It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he is campaigning against the consequences of

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Speaker 2: decisions he helped to make?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raillan. We're talking about Chrisipkins State

485
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Speaker 3: of the Nation address yesterday. So do you think he

486
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Speaker 3: and the wider Labour Party has learned from the mistakes

487
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Speaker 3: of the past and they are ready to govern again?

488
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Speaker 3: Loved to your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone is forgetting that Chris Hipkins held multiple

490
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Speaker 2: portfolios and was the only one in the Labor government

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Speaker 2: over COVID that was actually doing anything and delivering.

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Speaker 3: I think that is fair. He certainly had a lot

493
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Speaker 3: of portfolios and at the time, regardless of the cabinet

494
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Speaker 3: decisions that were made. And I think there's part of

495
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Speaker 3: that speech yesterday that he emitted a bit of a

496
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Speaker 3: mere culpron but he was he was the Education minister,

497
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Speaker 3: he was looking after COVID. There was a few other portfolios.

498
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Speaker 3: He became mister fix it for Labor and then it

499
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Speaker 3: all started to go horribly wrong.

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Speaker 2: But the problem for him now is that means he's

501
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Speaker 2: got his hands over everything that he sees is wrong.

502
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Speaker 2: Now it was two years out of government. He's saying

503
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Speaker 2: all these things are wrong, but at the same time

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Speaker 2: admitting that when they had the majority to do whatever

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Speaker 2: they wanted, they didn't achieve what they said they were

506
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Speaker 2: going to achieve.

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Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes's flip side of the same coin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got your fingerprints all over.

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Speaker 3: It, yep, tainted portfolios. Mo, how are you?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Well, how are you very good? Keen on your thoughts?

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Speaker 9: Yes, so I actually agree for the most part on

514
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Speaker 9: this issue. I actually agree that leadership does need clarity

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Speaker 9: and strength. I think that's what we can agree on.

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Speaker 9: But when people say it was weak, what specifically was weak?

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Speaker 7: I guess out of the space, policy detail.

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Speaker 9: The tone, the physical commitments. Because my understanding is if

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Speaker 9: we're judging leadership, should we judge it on I guess

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Speaker 9: policy delivery and rather than I guess how punchy it sounds. Yeah,

521
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Speaker 9: so I just understand compared to what what would strong look?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess yeah. I haven't actually heard too many

523
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Speaker 2: people say it was weak. I think people have said

524
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Speaker 2: that his delivery was pretty good. But I'm with you,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I always think it's hard when people comment

526
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Speaker 2: on people's delivery or how they present themselves, that you

527
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Speaker 2: should be able to just read it off a bit

528
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Speaker 2: of paper and agree or not agree. This whole people

529
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Speaker 2: wanting to fall for charisma, Yeah, you actually want to

530
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Speaker 2: vote for someone the zero charisma because then they're winning

531
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Speaker 2: you over purely with their ideas.

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Speaker 3: But but I mean, this is just my thoughts, MO,

533
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Speaker 3: But I want to see policy, I actually want to

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Speaker 3: see answers, and everyone will be different in how they

535
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Speaker 3: looked at what they want out of their political party.

536
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Speaker 3: But when you go through the challenges the country is facing,

537
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Speaker 3: I want to actually hear what do you got? What

538
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Speaker 3: have you got to solve that? Not just a slogan

539
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Speaker 3: that you roll out saying we're gonna tackle the cost

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Speaker 3: of living, We're going to get people into homes.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I understand, and I understand that that side

542
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Speaker 9: of things where people want, but my opinion, stability is

543
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Speaker 9: really important right now. And what it sounded like he

544
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Speaker 9: was doing was he was positioning around I guess economic

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Speaker 9: stability and the current cost of living pressure and understandably, yeah,

546
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Speaker 9: that's not fleshy. But to me, stability isn't weakness because

547
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Speaker 9: currently economically we're in a high interest kind of inflationary

548
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Speaker 9: recovery phase. And I didn't think bold rhetoric is actually

549
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Speaker 9: responsible right now, right actually quite harmful.

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Speaker 2: So you think that the message, the message that he's

551
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Speaker 2: put out there as a message of stability, and things

552
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Speaker 2: feel very very chaotic at the moment, and they feel

553
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Speaker 2: that way globally. Part of that's because the social media

554
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Speaker 2: algorithms want us to feel discombobulated.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's very much pleas into it. Yeah, it keeps

556
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Speaker 9: us isolated in a sense that yeah, there's there's two

557
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Speaker 9: realities that politicians and all of us are dealing with

558
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Speaker 9: and has to kind of wrestle with and understand where

559
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Speaker 9: that middle ground is. But my understanding is National lives

560
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Speaker 9: in this realm where they honest these bold things and

561
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Speaker 9: it's all just half measures and and yeah, that's a

562
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Speaker 9: lot of that goes around, and a lot of that

563
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Speaker 9: is how things historically have happened. And the exception is

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Speaker 9: things go well.

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Speaker 3: But what would be I hear what you're saying, moo,

566
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Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to trip you up here, but

567
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Speaker 3: what would be an example of that in your eyes,

568
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Speaker 3: example of national you know, promising things that they may

569
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Speaker 3: not be able to deliver on and confusing the messaging.

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Speaker 9: Yeah so my, so that's more so on.

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Speaker 3: You store them.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Sorry, So naturally, I guess the DDP growth and under

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Speaker 9: national historically, I guess if we want to talk about

575
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Speaker 9: statistics and houses I guess doubled between two and eight,

576
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Speaker 9: I guess, and those all under national and and unemployment

577
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Speaker 9: has never been as bad.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but I mean, I guess people would push

579
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Speaker 2: back and say the huge increase in house prices happened

580
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Speaker 2: over under labor during the sort of COVID response and

581
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Speaker 2: coming out of that, that's when prices when at through

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Speaker 2: the through to the peak. I think we're in Auckland

583
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Speaker 2: with thirty percent off that peak, but those house prices

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Speaker 2: went crazy. And the argument would be, so much money

585
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Speaker 2: was pumped into the economy, the economy heated up, and

586
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Speaker 2: and the you know, the people that are best to

587
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Speaker 2: position to suck up the money when the when the

588
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Speaker 2: economy is overheated as the people that are already quite

589
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Speaker 2: well off. So their response kind of ended up doing

590
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Speaker 2: the exact opposite what they that what they wanted to

591
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Speaker 2: do and or purported to do, which was, you know,

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Speaker 2: to work on an equality. But really their response to

593
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Speaker 2: COVID created more inequality than than than we've ever seen before.

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Speaker 9: And I guess I kind of straight from the original

595
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Speaker 9: point was this this rhetoric of I guess he needs

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Speaker 9: to be promising these things. He hasn't said anything, he

597
00:28:52,013 --> 00:28:54,733
Speaker 9: had touched on the on the fact that yeah, we'll

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Speaker 9: be rolling these things out after the financial has been.

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Speaker 2: Released the budget.

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Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, after the budget has been released. So in

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Speaker 9: my opinion, this rhetoric of he needs to be saying, what, what,

602
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Speaker 9: how We're going to be doing these things right now,

603
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Speaker 9: giving these bold promises. I don't think that's realistic and

604
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Speaker 9: I think it's I think it's very double standards.

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Speaker 2: So you don't think he could keep it going to

606
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Speaker 2: right up to the election because it's very easy to

607
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Speaker 2: say jobs, health homes because we all want that, every

608
00:29:24,813 --> 00:29:27,213
Speaker 2: side wants that, everyone says it. But at what point

609
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Speaker 2: do you think he would have to start saying exactly

610
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Speaker 2: how they're going to provide jobs, better health outcomes and

611
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Speaker 2: you know, and save the health health sector and you know,

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Speaker 2: work on homes.

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Speaker 9: I guess that's that's the role out that he's talking about.

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Speaker 9: After the budgets released, they can have a more concrete,

615
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Speaker 9: I guess picture, and they can kind of start finishing

616
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Speaker 9: and and creating these plans that actually are based on

617
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Speaker 9: concrete things rather than making rather than providing this bold

618
00:29:59,453 --> 00:30:03,293
Speaker 9: rhetoric that has no has no grounds, there's no foundation.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 3: Good to get your thoughts. One hundred and eighty ten

621
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Speaker 3: is the number to call. Love to get your thoughts

622
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Speaker 3: about Chris Hipkins State of the Nation. Do you agree

623
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Speaker 3: with MO? Do you think it is too early for

624
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Speaker 3: ambitious rhetoric when you can't deliver on your promises. Or

625
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Speaker 3: do you think Chris Hipkins needs a bit more vision

626
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Speaker 3: and some action plans to determine how he's going to

627
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Speaker 3: do those things he.

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Speaker 2: Talked to me. I think my raises an interesting point though,

629
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Speaker 2: if you're talking about it politically speaking, is in a

630
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Speaker 2: time of chaos, just attempting to come across as pragmatic

631
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Speaker 2: and not transformative, so not claiming we are going to

632
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Speaker 2: we are going to scorch earth this, We're going to

633
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Speaker 2: sault the earth. We're going to change everything. We've got

634
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Speaker 2: these these plans, these big plans. It's going to change everything.

635
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Speaker 2: Maybe that is their political strategy. Yes, say you know,

636
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Speaker 2: give us another go easy as she goes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bitter stability, what do you say? Oh, e one hundred

638
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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is a number to call. It

639
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Speaker 3: is sixteen to two.

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Speaker 4: But the issues that affect you and a bit of

641
00:31:02,853 --> 00:31:03,733
Speaker 4: fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt afternoons with Skoda play Scoda codes every day.

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Speaker 4: At scooter dot co dot NZ News Talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be fourteen to two. Plenty of teachers coming through

645
00:31:14,533 --> 00:31:17,613
Speaker 3: about Chris Hipkins state of the Nation Address High Team.

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Speaker 2: Is that the same Chris Hipkins that stated we were

647
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Speaker 2: at the head of the COVID vaccine rollout only to

648
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Speaker 2: find out we hadn't even ordered any Cheers Charlie from Northland.

649
00:31:25,253 --> 00:31:26,133
Speaker 3: That was pretty awkward.

650
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Speaker 2: What a useless and pointless conversation. A Labour Greens multi

651
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Speaker 2: coalition will be the coup de grass for New Zealand.

652
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Speaker 2: There's only one path get behind the current government, who,

653
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Speaker 2: if nothing else, have the skills to get us out

654
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Speaker 2: of the dire straits. Hipkins and co. Have put us

655
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Speaker 2: in with their divisive policies the Texas Labor and creased

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Speaker 2: national debt by over one hundred billion, sixty six billion

657
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Speaker 2: of which is still unaccounted for. Why would we trust

658
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Speaker 2: these clowns with our purse strings? Again, that's from Jake Margaret,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 16: Well that the exuberant previous Finance Minister for Labor.

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Speaker 2: Margaret there, mat Margaret, could you sorry? I didn't put

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Speaker 2: your phone on? Can you can you start? You've seen

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Speaker 2: it from the getting certain big apologies. I didn't press

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Speaker 2: the right button, So you want to went on here

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Speaker 2: for the first fifteen seconds that you were talking.

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Speaker 16: Okay, let's go. I just want to point out that

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Speaker 16: they're very exuberant finance minister for Labor. Previously Grant Robertson

668
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Speaker 16: is no longer the finance minister, and Labor has now

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Speaker 16: got one of the most astute financial brains as their

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Speaker 16: finance minister. I do agree that Chris Hopkins is very conservative.

671
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Speaker 16: He's also being very cautious. And I also point out

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Speaker 16: that a lot of governments around the world did not

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Speaker 16: anticipate the global financial crisis that occurred. Everybody was expected

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Speaker 16: to come out of COVID, you know, with a great

675
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Speaker 16: sigh of relief and everything would start pumping again, and

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Speaker 16: that's how they would cover the money that they had

677
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Speaker 16: extended on the COVID expenses. But that didn't happen, and

678
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Speaker 16: it didn't happen to a lot of countries.

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Speaker 2: Well, what was the global financial crisis? This isn't the

680
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Speaker 2: famous global financial crisis.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, straight after COVID, the world, instead of coming back

682
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Speaker 16: to it as it had been previously, was suddenly struggling

683
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Speaker 16: with huge financial debts all around. For governments around the world.

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Speaker 16: Surely you guys remember that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you would accept, Margaret that we had a much

686
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Speaker 2: harder landing than the United States and Australia.

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Speaker 16: Just they hadn't expended as much money controlling it, and

688
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Speaker 16: they lost many hundreds of thousands more lives. But what

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Speaker 16: I wanted to actually point out is that I do

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Speaker 16: not want to see a coalition government of the Labor Party,

691
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Speaker 16: the Green Party and the Mari Party, because the Mari

692
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Speaker 16: Party is to so inward thinking and in fighting that

693
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Speaker 16: I don't think they'll make any positive contribution. But I

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Speaker 16: would like to suggest that Labors start talking to Opportunity

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Speaker 16: because they're a modern thinking party. There would be a

696
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Speaker 16: very effective coalition partner and they would drag Labor out

697
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Speaker 16: of the nineties and noughties into a much more progressive

698
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Speaker 16: looking outlook on the world.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they can get? Do you think they

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Speaker 2: can get.

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Speaker 16: If they get enough publicity, they will. They're the leader

702
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Speaker 16: is very articulate, and they're expressing a lot of ideas

703
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Speaker 16: that will never come into being because they're aspirational.

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Speaker 17: Operating.

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Speaker 2: Here's an opportunity for margaret. What what are their ideas

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Speaker 2: specifically that people.

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Speaker 4: Can get behind.

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Speaker 15: That?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 16: God, well, they've got good ideas for what do you

711
00:34:40,653 --> 00:34:46,533
Speaker 16: thought renewable renewable electricity and so on, and just generally

712
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Speaker 16: have got much more modern outlook than Labor currently has.

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Speaker 16: I'm afraid the thing that really sort of gives a

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Speaker 16: climber the original swinging voter. But I don't like what

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Speaker 16: the current coalition has done. I think they've been very

716
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Speaker 16: negative for their pay women's pay, equity legislation, for their

717
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Speaker 16: environmental vandalism, for le Shane Jones sort of run a muck.

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Speaker 16: There was a very interesting item my newsroom yesterday about

719
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Speaker 16: how the middle is collapsing for National and the coalition

720
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Speaker 16: partners are actually sort of running the show. And that's

721
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Speaker 16: what I am fearful of as National gets back in again,

722
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Speaker 16: that we're going to have We're not National, but we're

723
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Speaker 16: going to have very extreme coalition party.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to say that about National because I think

725
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Speaker 2: a lot of National supporters think that they've been too

726
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Speaker 2: soft and they're pretty much National Light and much closer

727
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Speaker 2: to Labor. So what particular environmental how did you describe

728
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Speaker 2: the environmental damage that you think that the coalition has

729
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Speaker 2: done so far?

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Speaker 16: Well, a lot of the things that were actually meant

731
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Speaker 16: to be happening, they've canceled, and I mean, I can't

732
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Speaker 16: be specific because I didn't really do much research before

733
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Speaker 16: I rushed to the phone. But I just kept on thinking,

734
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Speaker 16: these people don't seem to realize that Duncan. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 16: Grant Robertson is no longer there, and he was the

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Speaker 16: man who had the purse strings enthusiasm sort of for

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Speaker 16: a bright future with the bosses.

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Speaker 2: The boss is still cross Hipkins so.

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Speaker 16: So well, no, the boss was just into a don

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Speaker 16: at that stage has been Chris Hippickins to me, is

741
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Speaker 16: actually a bit too cautious, and that's that he's, you know,

742
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Speaker 16: I don't see him, as you know, a particularly progressive person.

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Speaker 16: He's a capable person, an intelligent person, an educated person.

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Speaker 3: Margaret, I'm just going to jump in there because we're

745
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Speaker 3: late for some messages. But just told there we're going

746
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Speaker 3: to pick back up in a couple of minutes. It

747
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Speaker 3: is eight minutes to two. Back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

749
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Speaker 1: and eighty eight. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talks five to two. So, Margaret, you mentioned Barbara Edmonds,

751
00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,933
Speaker 3: the finance spokesperson for labor Astute Financial Mind, so what

752
00:37:03,933 --> 00:37:06,133
Speaker 3: do you think she's going to do well.

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Speaker 16: I think she's got enough smarts her career, which was

754
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Speaker 16: actually included being an advisor to a national minister at

755
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Speaker 16: one stage. She's a broad spectrum, very highly qualified lady.

756
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Speaker 16: And so she's going to be in charge of Labour's

757
00:37:20,453 --> 00:37:24,453
Speaker 16: finances instead of the lovely, smiley Grant Robertson who was

758
00:37:24,573 --> 00:37:27,933
Speaker 16: dishing it out like it was you know, Christmas. And

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Speaker 16: I think she'll be a much more able person to

760
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Speaker 16: control finances so that any crazy ideas that Labor might

761
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Speaker 16: have won't succeed, but hopefully the smart ones will.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there you go, Niger and succinct. She's a fan, Yeah, fantastic, she.

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Speaker 2: Wants to go Labor again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Margaret, thank you very much for hanging on. We're

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Speaker 3: going to carry this on. Oh, one hundred and eighty

766
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Speaker 3: ten eighty is an umber to call. Nine two ninety

767
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Speaker 3: two is the text.

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking at some of tops, the opportunity parties

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Speaker 2: or just opportunities. They're called now policies. I might share

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Speaker 2: their next quite confronting some of them.

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Speaker 3: Pretty bold, pretty bold.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It'd be interesting to see if they

773
00:38:07,093 --> 00:38:08,293
Speaker 2: get them over five percent.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we'll get to some of those policies next, but

775
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Speaker 3: also taking your calls. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

776
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Speaker 3: eighty Chris Sipkins, State of the nation. Can he be

777
00:38:16,013 --> 00:38:18,813
Speaker 3: trusted to lead the government again? And do you think

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00:38:18,813 --> 00:38:20,813
Speaker 3: they've learned from the mistakes of the past. If you

779
00:38:20,813 --> 00:38:22,853
Speaker 3: want to send a text. Nine two ninety two is

780
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Speaker 3: that number? You stay right here in New Sport and

781
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:27,333
Speaker 3: weather it's coming up. But we'll be back very.

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Speaker 4: Shortly talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon sw Skota News Talks.

784
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Speaker 3: That'd be very good afternoon here, welcome back into the show.

785
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Speaker 3: Six pass too. So we have been discussing the state

786
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Speaker 3: of the Nation addressed by Labor leader Chris Hoipkins yesterday,

787
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Speaker 3: in which he said a future Labor government would steer

788
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Speaker 3: clear of commitments it couldn't realistically deliver. That is a

789
00:39:02,293 --> 00:39:06,413
Speaker 3: departure from the approach taken by the previous Labor government.

790
00:39:06,493 --> 00:39:08,493
Speaker 3: Here's a little bit of that state of an the

791
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Speaker 3: Nation address.

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Speaker 6: I know we didn't get everything right when we're in

793
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Speaker 6: government last time. Many of you have been very clear

794
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Speaker 6: on what you think we did wrong.

795
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Speaker 2: But one thing is clear.

796
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Speaker 6: We were trying to do too much, too fast, and

797
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Speaker 6: we weren't focused enough. We're going to be making further

798
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Speaker 6: announcements later in the year as we get closer to

799
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Speaker 6: the election, but I want.

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Speaker 2: To be very very clear on this.

801
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Speaker 6: I want to know that I can deliver on any

802
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Speaker 6: promises that I make. That's the standard that I'll be

803
00:39:42,373 --> 00:39:47,453
Speaker 6: holding myself to and our next labor government to, because frankly,

804
00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:51,692
Speaker 6: Kiwis have had enough of promises that aren't kept and

805
00:39:51,733 --> 00:39:56,053
Speaker 6: I don't want to repeat that cycle. We won't try

806
00:39:56,133 --> 00:39:59,733
Speaker 6: and do everything in our first term. We'll be focusing

807
00:39:59,813 --> 00:40:02,653
Speaker 6: on what matters the most and delivering on those things.

808
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Speaker 6: I'm not promising perfection. Where we make mistakes, I'll take

809
00:40:08,453 --> 00:40:13,893
Speaker 6: responsibility for those, but I'm promising this a government that

810
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Speaker 6: puts the cost of living first, a government that partners

811
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Speaker 6: with business to create jobs and raise wages. A government

812
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Speaker 6: that invests in our people and backs our potential, not

813
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Speaker 6: just managing the country building it.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds pretty gpt when you just list those

815
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Speaker 2: last things. It's it's put in what a someone wanting

816
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Speaker 2: to be elected would.

817
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Speaker 3: Say, jobs, homes, money, partnering with business, yea cost of living,

818
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Speaker 3: not just managing building the economy.

819
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Speaker 2: You got it. There's a lot to fill in. There's

820
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Speaker 2: a lot to fill in there.

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Speaker 3: Chippy, there certainly is. So the question we've got for

822
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Speaker 3: you is do you think Chippy and the what a

823
00:41:01,813 --> 00:41:03,613
Speaker 3: labor party have learned from the mistakes of the past

824
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Speaker 3: if you believe they made mistakes mistakes rather and is

825
00:41:06,373 --> 00:41:10,573
Speaker 3: this a more measured response? Does this projectability? As some

826
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Speaker 3: of the other callers were saying, I love to hear

827
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Speaker 3: from you. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty Matts, what's

828
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Speaker 3: your thoughts?

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Speaker 18: Which got it?

830
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Speaker 7: Makes you want to vomit, doesn't it?

831
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Speaker 3: Some people would say that.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, anyway them bring up about the last call you

833
00:41:23,373 --> 00:41:27,293
Speaker 18: had on before the news she was talking about labors

834
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Speaker 18: Farber is the yeah on how fantastic? Well, the person

835
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Speaker 18: mistakes who's already made is promising everyone free doctor visits,

836
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Speaker 18: even the wealthy. So how is that responsible doing your

837
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Speaker 18: finance minister?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean as a lot of people and a

839
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Speaker 2: previous Matt rang in before, a lot of Matt's out

840
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Speaker 2: there on the mat but all three of us Matts

841
00:41:48,253 --> 00:41:51,053
Speaker 2: are probably thinking we don't need free doctor's visits.

842
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Speaker 7: You know you want to be the finance minister. What

843
00:41:54,213 --> 00:41:55,613
Speaker 7: a complete waste of money.

844
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Speaker 2: There is also that very triggering word free again when

845
00:42:00,733 --> 00:42:04,293
Speaker 2: when political parties bandy the word free around when the

846
00:42:04,413 --> 00:42:05,813
Speaker 2: only money they have to spend is our.

847
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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, something's very the papal.

848
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Speaker 3: So you think that's a sign of the times. As

849
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Speaker 3: clearly they announced that policy thinking it was going to

850
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Speaker 3: be very popular and it got a bit more blowback

851
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Speaker 3: than I think even they were expecting. But you think

852
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Speaker 3: that might be the direction of the policy that they

853
00:42:22,693 --> 00:42:26,213
Speaker 3: go through offering, for lack of a better word, lolly scrambles,

854
00:42:26,213 --> 00:42:28,133
Speaker 3: even if fiscally it doesn't really add up.

855
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Speaker 7: That's what they've done the whole time. That's what Labour's about.

856
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Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Matt, thank you very much for your call.

857
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Speaker 3: Really appreciate it. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

858
00:42:38,973 --> 00:42:41,172
Speaker 3: is that number to call? A couple of texts coming

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Speaker 3: through online too, not.

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Speaker 2: Actually before the break, I promised to outline what the

861
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Speaker 2: Opportunities Party their major policies because Margaret was saying that

862
00:42:50,013 --> 00:42:52,573
Speaker 2: they were very good people yep, and that they would

863
00:42:52,573 --> 00:42:57,813
Speaker 2: make a good coalition party worth labor. So tax and

864
00:42:57,893 --> 00:43:00,893
Speaker 2: Income proposed that they propose a tax reset featuring a

865
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Speaker 2: land value tax on residential land and a lowering flat

866
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Speaker 2: income tax rate to provide tax cuts for low and

867
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Speaker 2: middlecome earners. Okay, they are also into a Citizen's Income

868
00:43:11,253 --> 00:43:14,653
Speaker 2: a UBI promotes a guaranteed income to support citizens, potentially

869
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Speaker 2: starting with young people. Housing economy, they aim to address

870
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Speaker 2: housing affordablity through tax reform, supporting a build the Next

871
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Speaker 2: Economy approach focused on sustainability and innovation social policy. Advocate

872
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Speaker 2: for increased income support for disabled people in a national

873
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Speaker 2: civic service program for young people. Right, this is the

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Speaker 2: Opportunity Party's policies, or they're just called Opportunity Now. I believe, yes,

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Speaker 2: focus on restoring oceans and forests, promoting real climate action

876
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Speaker 2: and protecting natural environments. But that's what they are after the.

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Speaker 3: Opportunity Party sounds bold and look, some of those ideas

878
00:43:47,573 --> 00:43:50,013
Speaker 3: sound like they've got merit. But let's be honest, the

879
00:43:50,053 --> 00:43:52,613
Speaker 3: Opportunity Party can say what they like because they're not

880
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Speaker 3: in government. As soon as they start getting a whiff

881
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:57,732
Speaker 3: of getting near that five percent, then reality starts to hit.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Pixis. The band the Pixis,

883
00:44:00,813 --> 00:44:04,573
Speaker 2: they're actually just pixis. So this party is just opportunity. Yeah,

884
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Speaker 2: they're not that opportunity party. All right, they've taken out

885
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Speaker 2: they've got rid of the definitive.

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Speaker 3: Article opportunity party.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's hard to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to take some getting used to. Oh

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Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call if you want to send a text. Nine two

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Speaker 3: nine two is that number back very shortly. It is

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Speaker 3: twelve past two.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call.

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Quarter past two, And that is exactly what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins State of the Nation address. So do you

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Speaker 3: think Labor and Chris Hipkins have learned from the mistakes

898
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Speaker 3: of the past if you believe they made mistakes. I

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Speaker 3: eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to

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Speaker 3: call love to get your thoughts on it. Nine two

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Speaker 3: ninety two is the text is well a couple of

902
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Speaker 3: texts coming through this one Kiday. Guys. Personally, I think

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Speaker 3: the best time was when it was Labour Greens in

904
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Speaker 3: New Zealand first and Power Winston keep kept Labor and

905
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Speaker 3: the Greens in line as he is more right. While

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Speaker 3: everyone got what they wanted with the left it was

907
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Speaker 3: also fortunate unfortunate rather with COVID, but the second time

908
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Speaker 3: around it was just Labor and the Greens, and you

909
00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:12,373
Speaker 3: see how much the right did not like that with

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00:45:12,493 --> 00:45:16,053
Speaker 3: them going with National Act and m Z first that

911
00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:17,773
Speaker 3: is too much, right, we need to go back to

912
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Speaker 3: the middle ground again. That's from Peter and the Sexes.

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Speaker 2: Of all the massive mistakes Labor have made, perhaps the

914
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Speaker 2: biggest one is hanging on to Hipkins's leader. So clearly

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Speaker 2: they haven't learned much at all. Why would you? Why

916
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Speaker 2: would you? I think they'll get smoked in the coming

917
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Speaker 2: election because of it. I mean it is a difficult

918
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Speaker 2: one to say, isn't it that you've learned some lessons

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Speaker 2: but you're keeping the same leader. Yes, I mean he

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Speaker 2: was Prime Minister and that is that is essentially the

921
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Speaker 2: biggest problem for them, because they haven't been out long

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Speaker 2: enough to not have some dirt on their hands. For

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Speaker 2: the situation we're.

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Speaker 3: In, you're going to be slightly tainted. Yeah, Wendy, what

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Speaker 3: do you think?

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Speaker 19: Well, leading into what you were saying, it's not just

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Speaker 19: Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 20: That's the same.

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Speaker 19: They basically got the same lineup, So how do you

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Speaker 19: expect them to change. I mean, you've got as Farrell,

931
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Speaker 19: Willie Jackson, you know, Jans and Easy, all of those,

932
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Speaker 19: and then is it was it Mahuta that was the

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Speaker 19: foreign foreign Winston's counterpart, yep, that was pretty much useless.

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Speaker 19: And then who they got that would be Todd mcclay's counterpart.

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Speaker 19: You know, you've got an Somebody was talking about the

936
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Speaker 19: stability that they provide that we're in an we're in

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Speaker 19: an in state, the instability right now with Trump and

938
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Speaker 19: dealing with all that's going on in the world stage.

939
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Speaker 19: They really can they really handle instability.

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Speaker 15: They've got no policies.

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Speaker 19: To deal with it. And then what did they do?

942
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Speaker 19: They left us with huge problems to tackle and it's

943
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Speaker 19: still the same lineup you've got. You know, nothing's changed.

944
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Speaker 19: You think about the gangs, you know, the ram raids,

945
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Speaker 19: the then there's a gas band that they put in place.

946
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Speaker 19: There's the education system. They weren't going to tackle that

947
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Speaker 19: big one, were they. I don't think there's anybody that

948
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Speaker 19: matches Erica Stanford on that front. You know, it's just

949
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Speaker 19: they're they're lacking in the depth and the experience needed

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Speaker 19: to tackle what we have in our current world.

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Speaker 2: How much how much do you think they can use

952
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:24,133
Speaker 2: COVID as a reason for the bad situation the country

953
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Speaker 2: was in when they left power last Wendy.

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Speaker 19: Well, that they made it worse. So, you know, going

955
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Speaker 19: through the COVID era and seeing how all the other

956
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Speaker 19: countries have rebound, some didn't. We saved a lot of lives,

957
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Speaker 19: but then there's other countries that save lives too. I mean,

958
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Speaker 19: we got stuck overseas actually in China during the COVID

959
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Speaker 19: and having to because you know, my husband had trouble

960
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Speaker 19: getting back in and we were very, very lucky anybody

961
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Speaker 19: that's gone through that experience. And then the way at

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Speaker 19: the end that they just ended it, lifted everything off

963
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Speaker 19: like nothing had happened. Well, why did we go through

964
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Speaker 19: all these lockdowns and then there was you know, it's

965
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Speaker 19: like God, I followed all the rules and was a

966
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Speaker 19: good girl, but suddenly everything they take everything away with

967
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:24,093
Speaker 19: really no explanation. And there's spent a lot a lot

968
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Speaker 19: of money, you know, And the thing is, I mean,

969
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Speaker 19: coming from a business world, the mess that they left,

970
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Speaker 19: people are a little bit naive that they think they

971
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Speaker 19: can turn around the mess that this country was in

972
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Speaker 19: in three years and then you're going to put back

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Speaker 19: the government that actually put us in this mess. No,

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Speaker 19: And the thing is, I still come back to it,

975
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Speaker 19: you COVID or not COVID. Now, you've got to have

976
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Speaker 19: the right people to lead us forward. The question is

977
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Speaker 19: are they because they're the same people that put us

978
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Speaker 19: in it? You know, the Foreign Affairs Minister? Are they

979
00:49:01,773 --> 00:49:04,533
Speaker 19: and Willie Jackson, all of these guys. Do you really

980
00:49:04,613 --> 00:49:08,133
Speaker 19: think they have what it takes to deal with the

981
00:49:08,333 --> 00:49:12,653
Speaker 19: current real situations? And I don't think they do.

982
00:49:12,653 --> 00:49:15,173
Speaker 2: Do you think people will be asking these questions closer

983
00:49:15,213 --> 00:49:18,013
Speaker 2: to the election, because you'd say, right now, the strategy

984
00:49:18,053 --> 00:49:20,973
Speaker 2: seems to be that, you know, Chippy's signaling that he

985
00:49:21,013 --> 00:49:24,213
Speaker 2: would govern more cautiously if he was elected, and you know,

986
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Speaker 2: he's limited commitments apart from the you know, the doctor's

987
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:31,893
Speaker 2: visits in the LNG import terminal. There's opposition to that,

988
00:49:32,053 --> 00:49:35,133
Speaker 2: and a narrow you know, a capital gains tax as

989
00:49:35,133 --> 00:49:37,093
Speaker 2: he's saying it. But do you think that that's kind

990
00:49:37,093 --> 00:49:38,853
Speaker 2: of a good strategy for him? Now? Because all you

991
00:49:39,333 --> 00:49:42,533
Speaker 2: everything you say right is going to be thrown at

992
00:49:42,573 --> 00:49:44,973
Speaker 2: them as they get closer to the election. So, in

993
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Speaker 2: terms of a purely political strategy, does it make sense

994
00:49:48,213 --> 00:49:51,652
Speaker 2: for Labor and Chris Hipkins to kind of just say

995
00:49:51,813 --> 00:49:57,173
Speaker 2: some mantras like jobs and health and homes and not

996
00:49:57,613 --> 00:50:02,373
Speaker 2: really outline too much stuff and not become as big

997
00:50:02,373 --> 00:50:03,373
Speaker 2: a target just yet.

998
00:50:07,413 --> 00:50:10,733
Speaker 19: That's hard one. It's a hard one to answer because

999
00:50:10,893 --> 00:50:13,253
Speaker 19: the stuff that they have put out. You talk about

1000
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Speaker 19: the doctor's visits, we don't all need that, and that

1001
00:50:16,893 --> 00:50:21,373
Speaker 19: once again it's labor throwing money out that we don't

1002
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:25,293
Speaker 19: have to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed.

1003
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Speaker 12: You know.

1004
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Speaker 19: So and yeah, the oil and gas, I mean, the

1005
00:50:29,613 --> 00:50:32,613
Speaker 19: gas situation in this country, and you know, it's just

1006
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Speaker 19: it's just so they want to. They want to, they

1007
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Speaker 19: want to bring in capital gains. Text, what are they

1008
00:50:38,013 --> 00:50:40,053
Speaker 19: going to do with all the money they're good at

1009
00:50:40,053 --> 00:50:42,813
Speaker 19: giving it away? Are they going to be able to

1010
00:50:42,853 --> 00:50:46,013
Speaker 19: increase productivity and do all the things that need to

1011
00:50:46,053 --> 00:50:49,533
Speaker 19: be done, you know, for the modern climate and to

1012
00:50:49,653 --> 00:50:53,613
Speaker 19: deal with the instability And I just don't see it there.

1013
00:50:53,893 --> 00:50:55,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, thinks so much. Wendy appreciate it.

1014
00:50:55,693 --> 00:50:57,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, A really good to get your thoughts on one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call

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Speaker 3: if you want to send a text? Nine two ninet

1017
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Speaker 3: two is that number?

1018
00:51:02,093 --> 00:51:03,933
Speaker 2: Or is this Texas is? It's pretty simple to me.

1019
00:51:04,093 --> 00:51:06,293
Speaker 2: National blamed everything on labor and said they were the

1020
00:51:06,333 --> 00:51:08,652
Speaker 2: economic adults that would fix it. They haven't done that.

1021
00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:12,333
Speaker 2: Last lady's just angry because to save thousands, she had

1022
00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:13,573
Speaker 2: a hard time in COVID.

1023
00:51:13,893 --> 00:51:18,093
Speaker 3: Interesting twenty one past two, twenty four past two? All right, Tyler,

1024
00:51:18,173 --> 00:51:20,853
Speaker 3: riddle me this? What's electric bold and could send you

1025
00:51:20,893 --> 00:51:23,573
Speaker 3: to the Tour de France. I know this one Scoda codes.

1026
00:51:23,573 --> 00:51:26,173
Speaker 3: It's the daily code where you actually want to crack.

1027
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Speaker 2: Bang on Scoda codes, jump onto Skoda dot Coda and said,

1028
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Speaker 2: crack the code. Every correct answer puts you in the

1029
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Speaker 2: draw to win a money can't buy a trip for

1030
00:51:33,733 --> 00:51:35,053
Speaker 2: two to the Tour de France.

1031
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Speaker 3: How good? This is the closest you can get to

1032
00:51:37,373 --> 00:51:39,252
Speaker 3: the action without actually riding a bike.

1033
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Speaker 2: Correct. It's also part of the celebration of Scoder's new

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Speaker 2: electric duo, the l Rock and the Enyak.

1035
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Speaker 3: I have seen them? Have you seen them? The l

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Speaker 3: Rock is the first Scota model to reflect their all

1037
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Speaker 3: new modern solid design language. It is a gobsmacker in

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Speaker 3: the yek is where sports meets suv all electric.

1039
00:51:55,613 --> 00:51:58,453
Speaker 2: Get this. It even comes with an umbrella tucked away

1040
00:51:58,493 --> 00:51:59,573
Speaker 2: in the driver's door.

1041
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Speaker 3: Very handy.

1042
00:52:00,373 --> 00:52:04,373
Speaker 2: But we digress, right, This is all about Scoda codes

1043
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Speaker 2: and your chance to win a trip for two to

1044
00:52:06,253 --> 00:52:08,533
Speaker 2: the Tour de France. Jump onto Skoda dot com it

1045
00:52:08,573 --> 00:52:10,652
Speaker 2: and Zed. Crack the code and you could win.

1046
00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:15,013
Speaker 3: New codes drop daily, So think fast, can you crack this?

1047
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Speaker 1: Go to code Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh

1048
00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:25,053
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

1049
00:52:25,373 --> 00:52:27,252
Speaker 3: It is twenty five past two.

1050
00:52:27,773 --> 00:52:32,893
Speaker 2: So Hipken's State of the Nation promises jobs, health and homes.

1051
00:52:32,933 --> 00:52:35,453
Speaker 2: Just been reading through it. But that's what everyone does,

1052
00:52:35,493 --> 00:52:38,013
Speaker 2: don't they they do. He also promises not to do

1053
00:52:38,053 --> 00:52:40,413
Speaker 2: as much as Labour did last time. So essentially his

1054
00:52:40,493 --> 00:52:42,853
Speaker 2: plan is to say things suck, but he isn't ready

1055
00:52:42,933 --> 00:52:45,133
Speaker 2: to say how he would fix it, but he is

1056
00:52:45,133 --> 00:52:48,413
Speaker 2: willing to say they won't do too much to fix it.

1057
00:52:48,453 --> 00:52:51,013
Speaker 2: The problem for Chris Hipkins is he has to take some,

1058
00:52:51,093 --> 00:52:52,933
Speaker 2: if not a lot, of the blame for the problems

1059
00:52:52,973 --> 00:52:56,413
Speaker 2: we're facing, and he is outlining at the same time.

1060
00:52:56,413 --> 00:53:00,213
Speaker 2: Any chance he has of governing involves the Greens and

1061
00:53:00,253 --> 00:53:04,093
Speaker 2: Tapatti Maori, whose policies such as wealth taxes will be

1062
00:53:04,493 --> 00:53:08,333
Speaker 2: hugely controversial coming into the election and potentially very unpopular.

1063
00:53:09,213 --> 00:53:11,333
Speaker 2: This speech strikes me as him trying to grab a

1064
00:53:11,373 --> 00:53:15,773
Speaker 2: brief period to appear like he is calm and stable,

1065
00:53:16,093 --> 00:53:19,173
Speaker 2: that labor is a calm and stable option, by claiming

1066
00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:22,293
Speaker 2: he will do very little and that this is just

1067
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:25,613
Speaker 2: a period of calm before he has ripped a piece

1068
00:53:25,653 --> 00:53:27,973
Speaker 2: as close to the election for his record, his policies

1069
00:53:28,013 --> 00:53:30,212
Speaker 2: and the extreme views of the other parties he will

1070
00:53:30,253 --> 00:53:32,893
Speaker 2: have to work with to have any chance of governing.

1071
00:53:33,413 --> 00:53:35,333
Speaker 2: So it's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it

1072
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:35,773
Speaker 2: plays out.

1073
00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:39,093
Speaker 3: It's going to get exciting as we get closer to Novema.

1074
00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:41,613
Speaker 3: No doubt about a great discussion. Thank you to everyone

1075
00:53:41,653 --> 00:53:43,893
Speaker 3: who called and text on that one. Coming up after

1076
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Speaker 3: the headlines. Eirwaves New Zealander is pushing for the Civil

1077
00:53:46,533 --> 00:53:49,453
Speaker 3: Aviation Authority to lower the age New Zealanders can get

1078
00:53:49,453 --> 00:53:52,693
Speaker 3: an air traffic control license. A bid worries our talent's

1079
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Speaker 3: being poached overseas, so really can to have a chat

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Speaker 3: with you on this if you have been an air

1081
00:53:57,013 --> 00:54:00,293
Speaker 3: traffic controller or you're currently one. Now, how good of

1082
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:02,813
Speaker 3: a career is this? Why can't we get enough people

1083
00:54:02,853 --> 00:54:05,453
Speaker 3: going through what is a critical job. We need them?

1084
00:54:05,773 --> 00:54:07,853
Speaker 3: And also the idea of lowering the age so we

1085
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Speaker 3: can get more people's Air traffic controllers love to hear

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Speaker 3: from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It is twenty nine to three,

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00:55:39,893 --> 00:55:40,973
Speaker 3: so we want to have a chat about this. The

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00:55:41,013 --> 00:55:43,692
Speaker 3: Airways New Zealanders pushing for the CAA, that's the Civil

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00:55:43,773 --> 00:55:47,013
Speaker 3: Aviation Authority to lower the age of New Zealanders who

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00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:49,533
Speaker 3: can get an air traffic control license. This is amid

1113
00:55:49,813 --> 00:55:52,933
Speaker 3: some worries our talent's being poached overseas. The air Traffic

1114
00:55:52,973 --> 00:55:56,173
Speaker 3: Control Provider sounded the alarm during address before a Parliamentary

1115
00:55:56,213 --> 00:55:59,613
Speaker 3: Select Committee. CEO James Evans says there's a global shortage

1116
00:55:59,653 --> 00:56:04,013
Speaker 3: of controllers and in other areas like control controller training.

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00:56:04,773 --> 00:56:06,653
Speaker 3: So we want to have a chancey if you've gone through.

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00:56:06,453 --> 00:56:11,252
Speaker 2: It much of a how many are we missing here.

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00:56:11,293 --> 00:56:13,493
Speaker 3: Now, that's a good question because we are.

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Speaker 2: How short are we? Hear in the Zeeland for air

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00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:15,613
Speaker 2: traffic controllers.

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00:56:15,613 --> 00:56:17,333
Speaker 3: So he did actually have a chat to Mike Coskin

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00:56:17,413 --> 00:56:20,053
Speaker 3: this morning and Mike asked him that how short are

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00:56:20,053 --> 00:56:22,613
Speaker 3: we in terms of air traffic controllers? And James said,

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00:56:22,653 --> 00:56:24,653
Speaker 3: we're actually pretty good at the moment where we're short

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00:56:24,693 --> 00:56:27,652
Speaker 3: about four in the pipeline four hundred, no, no, four

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00:56:27,893 --> 00:56:30,973
Speaker 3: four in total, just four people, four air traffic controllers

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00:56:31,013 --> 00:56:31,813
Speaker 3: that they need to find.

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00:56:31,893 --> 00:56:33,813
Speaker 2: Anytime you don't have an air traffic controller when you're

1130
00:56:33,813 --> 00:56:35,133
Speaker 2: trying to land a plane, it's a bad thing. But

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00:56:35,133 --> 00:56:38,693
Speaker 2: I would say that four four is not an insurmountable problem,

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00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:39,013
Speaker 2: is it.

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00:56:39,093 --> 00:56:40,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you could find four people to go

1134
00:56:40,973 --> 00:56:43,613
Speaker 3: through the training. It is intense of twelve months training,

1135
00:56:43,653 --> 00:56:45,373
Speaker 3: but the salary is not actually too bad when you

1136
00:56:45,413 --> 00:56:45,853
Speaker 3: get out of there.

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00:56:45,893 --> 00:56:47,773
Speaker 2: Well, twelve month's training is never in that I mean

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00:56:47,813 --> 00:56:49,812
Speaker 2: intense of twelve months training, but it's only twelve months training,

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00:56:49,893 --> 00:56:52,253
Speaker 2: right yep, So that right now you can't start their

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00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:53,172
Speaker 2: training to be twenty one?

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00:56:53,293 --> 00:56:53,893
Speaker 3: Yes, correct?

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00:56:53,973 --> 00:56:57,333
Speaker 2: And is there a concern that we're four down now?

1143
00:56:58,173 --> 00:57:00,013
Speaker 2: But people are going to be poaching a lot more

1144
00:57:00,013 --> 00:57:02,212
Speaker 2: of them going forward, That's what he went on to say.

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00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:04,093
Speaker 3: So that is the big worry now, is that you've

1146
00:57:04,093 --> 00:57:06,933
Speaker 3: got the likes of Dubai and Abu Dhabi and even

1147
00:57:06,973 --> 00:57:09,973
Speaker 3: the UK and a mirror and to a lesser extent, Australia.

1148
00:57:10,133 --> 00:57:12,013
Speaker 3: But they can offer these guys a hell of a

1149
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:14,013
Speaker 3: lot more than we can pay them. And one hundred

1150
00:57:14,013 --> 00:57:15,693
Speaker 3: and ten K when you're first starting out in a

1151
00:57:15,773 --> 00:57:17,333
Speaker 3: job as a twenty one year old, that's not a

1152
00:57:17,373 --> 00:57:19,973
Speaker 3: bad wicket. But when you've got Dubai who have got

1153
00:57:20,013 --> 00:57:23,373
Speaker 3: oil money up the wazoo and can offer sometimes upwards

1154
00:57:23,413 --> 00:57:26,253
Speaker 3: of three hundred thousand dollars New Zealand's I mean, that

1155
00:57:26,413 --> 00:57:28,213
Speaker 3: is where the concern is. So they need those people

1156
00:57:28,213 --> 00:57:28,973
Speaker 3: through the pipeline.

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00:57:28,973 --> 00:57:30,933
Speaker 2: Is it a high stress job? I remember that movie

1158
00:57:30,933 --> 00:57:34,853
Speaker 2: Pushing Tin with John Cusack and Billy Bob Thornton. Terrible

1159
00:57:34,893 --> 00:57:39,253
Speaker 2: movie from the nineties, I believe or late eighties, and

1160
00:57:39,293 --> 00:57:41,693
Speaker 2: that was a high pressure job, the Pushing Tin. But

1161
00:57:41,813 --> 00:57:44,813
Speaker 2: most New Zealand aer traffic controllers well, I mean, do

1162
00:57:44,853 --> 00:57:48,133
Speaker 2: you have an air traffic controller at the Timaru Airport.

1163
00:57:48,533 --> 00:57:50,173
Speaker 3: I suppose you'd have to, wouldn't you. If you've got

1164
00:57:50,173 --> 00:57:52,053
Speaker 3: a plane coming in, you need someone there in the

1165
00:57:52,093 --> 00:57:56,133
Speaker 3: tower trying to make the calls. Is that what you're saying?

1166
00:57:56,213 --> 00:57:58,613
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty? Are you an ear

1167
00:57:58,613 --> 00:58:01,973
Speaker 2: traffic controller? Are you training to be an air traffic controller?

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00:58:03,213 --> 00:58:05,533
Speaker 2: What does it entail in this country? Yeah? And are

1169
00:58:05,533 --> 00:58:07,013
Speaker 2: we worried about it that we're foreshort?

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00:58:07,653 --> 00:58:09,773
Speaker 3: Oh undred eighty ten eight And if you've looked into

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00:58:09,773 --> 00:58:11,973
Speaker 3: it genuinely, you've seen that salary of one hundred and

1172
00:58:12,053 --> 00:58:13,853
Speaker 3: ten k and think, oh, that looks pretty nice, and

1173
00:58:13,893 --> 00:58:16,333
Speaker 3: you investigated going through that training, love to hear from you.

1174
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:19,413
Speaker 3: How intensive can it be for that twelve months? And

1175
00:58:19,453 --> 00:58:22,333
Speaker 3: look anecdotally? I remember stories not so long ago about

1176
00:58:22,333 --> 00:58:25,213
Speaker 3: the burnout level of some air traffic controllers. Is that real?

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00:58:25,333 --> 00:58:28,413
Speaker 2: Is it just that it was the subject of the

1178
00:58:28,413 --> 00:58:29,813
Speaker 2: movie Pushing ten I was talking about.

1179
00:58:29,933 --> 00:58:32,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, come on through. Really keen to hear from

1180
00:58:32,013 --> 00:58:34,373
Speaker 3: you if you've got experiences and air traffic controller, really

1181
00:58:34,413 --> 00:58:36,453
Speaker 3: keen to have a chat with you, and pilots as well.

1182
00:58:36,493 --> 00:58:37,893
Speaker 3: How much do you rely on these guys?

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00:58:38,013 --> 00:58:38,213
Speaker 1: Quite?

1184
00:58:38,493 --> 00:58:41,733
Speaker 3: I imagine everything relies on these guys coming into land.

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00:58:41,973 --> 00:58:42,853
Speaker 2: We're for short.

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00:58:43,893 --> 00:58:46,653
Speaker 3: We can find four back very shortly. It is twenty

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Speaker 3: six to three.

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00:58:48,173 --> 00:58:51,093
Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler with you as your afternoon rolls on

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoon SWI Koda.

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Speaker 4: Can you've cracked the code? Please go to codes every

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Speaker 4: Day News Talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be very good. Afternoon, ju It is twenty four

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00:59:00,413 --> 00:59:03,933
Speaker 3: to three, So we're talking about air traffic controllers. There

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00:59:04,133 --> 00:59:07,173
Speaker 3: was a bit of concern issued to a parliamentary slick

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00:59:07,213 --> 00:59:10,733
Speaker 3: committee about how many controllers are getting poached overseas, but

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Speaker 3: as the head of Airwise told Mike Cosk in this morning,

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Speaker 3: they are short about four people got forty in the pipeline.

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00:59:15,853 --> 00:59:17,573
Speaker 3: But it is still a concern that the likes of

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Speaker 3: Dubai and other nations are offering bag money for our guys.

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Speaker 2: So this is on why you can't start training to

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Speaker 2: be a near perfect controller at eighteen. According to the text,

1202
00:59:27,613 --> 00:59:29,973
Speaker 2: you can start training prior to age twenty one. You

1203
00:59:30,053 --> 00:59:32,693
Speaker 2: just can't get your license. They want people the little

1204
00:59:32,733 --> 00:59:35,573
Speaker 2: life experience and maturity. It's a long process to go

1205
00:59:35,613 --> 00:59:38,173
Speaker 2: through the screening and testing, which can take months, then

1206
00:59:38,213 --> 00:59:41,173
Speaker 2: twelve to eighteen months training. Only three to four percent

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00:59:41,213 --> 00:59:43,253
Speaker 2: of the population is actually capable of doing the job.

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00:59:43,573 --> 00:59:46,053
Speaker 2: So it's not just as simple as doing a career

1209
00:59:46,173 --> 00:59:49,093
Speaker 2: drive and getting a bunch of teenagers to sign up. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's an incredibly important job, isn't it. So

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00:59:53,933 --> 00:59:56,373
Speaker 2: you know, you want people that can pull it off,

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00:59:56,413 --> 01:00:02,253
Speaker 2: because of course failure at that job could be terrible catastropha.

1213
01:00:02,373 --> 01:00:04,573
Speaker 2: So what do you actually do? So you maintain safe

1214
01:00:04,613 --> 01:00:07,453
Speaker 2: separation between aircraft and the sky and on the runways,

1215
01:00:07,493 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 2: sequence takeoff and landing so traffic flows smoothly, give pilots

1216
01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:15,813
Speaker 2: instructions on heading, altitude and speed, monitor weather systems and

1217
01:00:15,853 --> 01:00:20,853
Speaker 2: adjust routes, manage emergencies, engine failures, medical events, diversions. That's

1218
01:00:20,893 --> 01:00:24,613
Speaker 2: when the job gets you know real right. Yeah, So

1219
01:00:24,653 --> 01:00:27,853
Speaker 2: I'm sure you can have a bunch of you know,

1220
01:00:28,253 --> 01:00:33,573
Speaker 2: help with you know, conflict detections and predicting aircraft trajectories

1221
01:00:33,613 --> 01:00:36,493
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, and you know, optimizing

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01:00:36,493 --> 01:00:39,533
Speaker 2: traffic flow and all those kind of things that that

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01:00:39,573 --> 01:00:41,173
Speaker 2: could a lot of that could be automated, right, But

1224
01:00:41,653 --> 01:00:45,253
Speaker 2: when you get a situation where something is going wrong,

1225
01:00:46,093 --> 01:00:48,533
Speaker 2: that's when you'd need people that are pretty pretty mature

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01:00:48,933 --> 01:00:51,693
Speaker 2: and can and can hold it together, which I guess

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01:00:52,053 --> 01:00:53,693
Speaker 2: makes sense that they want to They want to have

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01:00:53,733 --> 01:00:55,773
Speaker 2: people that have had a bitter life experience before it.

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01:00:55,813 --> 01:00:59,813
Speaker 2: I mean managing it, you know, you know, managing an

1230
01:00:59,853 --> 01:01:03,253
Speaker 2: emergency when that many people's lives are involved, and there

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01:01:03,253 --> 01:01:06,093
Speaker 2: wouldn't be too many jobs. I'm just trying to think

1232
01:01:06,093 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 2: of other jobs where you would have that much response

1233
01:01:08,333 --> 01:01:10,453
Speaker 2: bility on your shoulders. Yeah, if you've got a plane

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01:01:10,493 --> 01:01:11,733
Speaker 2: with three hundred people on it when.

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01:01:11,653 --> 01:01:13,133
Speaker 3: You're younger than twenty one. And I just had a

1236
01:01:13,133 --> 01:01:15,773
Speaker 3: look on their websites, so the question is on their FAQs,

1237
01:01:15,813 --> 01:01:17,853
Speaker 3: I want to train for air traffic control? What can

1238
01:01:17,893 --> 01:01:20,093
Speaker 3: I do until I'm twenty one? Then they go on

1239
01:01:20,173 --> 01:01:23,773
Speaker 3: to say we can only take people under the over

1240
01:01:23,813 --> 01:01:26,413
Speaker 3: the age of twenty one according to the CIA rules.

1241
01:01:26,413 --> 01:01:28,293
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, go and do something you enjoy

1242
01:01:28,333 --> 01:01:30,053
Speaker 3: and what you're good at. You don't need a tertiary

1243
01:01:30,093 --> 01:01:33,773
Speaker 3: qualification to gain entry into an air traffic services training program,

1244
01:01:33,893 --> 01:01:36,893
Speaker 3: but the commitment required completing one will assist you when

1245
01:01:36,933 --> 01:01:39,413
Speaker 3: you do start studying with us. I mean it's quite

1246
01:01:39,413 --> 01:01:41,373
Speaker 3: a nice In the meantime, go and do something you

1247
01:01:41,493 --> 01:01:43,253
Speaker 3: enjoy and what you're good at.

1248
01:01:43,813 --> 01:01:46,133
Speaker 2: The sticks here I could do that job because I

1249
01:01:46,173 --> 01:01:48,613
Speaker 2: can play table tennis with both hands. No, the people

1250
01:01:48,653 --> 01:01:54,213
Speaker 2: with the bathoffs the table tennis records that they are,

1251
01:01:54,333 --> 01:01:55,853
Speaker 2: that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people

1252
01:01:55,853 --> 01:01:56,293
Speaker 2: at the tower.

1253
01:01:56,453 --> 01:01:59,093
Speaker 3: Yes, very different job. Both important jobs are eight one

1254
01:01:59,133 --> 01:02:00,813
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've looked at that

1255
01:02:00,893 --> 01:02:03,533
Speaker 3: training or you have been an air traffic controller, love

1256
01:02:03,573 --> 01:02:06,453
Speaker 3: to hear from you. Nine two ninety two is the text.

1257
01:02:06,453 --> 01:02:08,253
Speaker 3: And if you're a pilot as well, because I know

1258
01:02:08,453 --> 01:02:10,653
Speaker 3: pilots have some understanding about what it takes to be

1259
01:02:10,813 --> 01:02:13,733
Speaker 3: a top tier EAR traffic controller. And also if your

1260
01:02:13,773 --> 01:02:16,373
Speaker 3: friends or you've got family in that business, what sort

1261
01:02:16,413 --> 01:02:17,373
Speaker 3: of money can you earn?

1262
01:02:17,493 --> 01:02:20,333
Speaker 2: Overseas, A bunch of people are texting saying AI will

1263
01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:23,933
Speaker 2: do it doesn't matter this, Wayne says, surely AI could

1264
01:02:23,933 --> 01:02:26,373
Speaker 2: do EAR could HAVEFIC control. But the problem is the

1265
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:30,013
Speaker 2: edge cases. And that's where AI shall play this audio

1266
01:02:31,093 --> 01:02:32,973
Speaker 2: at the start of the next hour, actually about how

1267
01:02:34,333 --> 01:02:37,973
Speaker 2: AI being dumb around a cup. But edge cases are

1268
01:02:38,293 --> 01:02:42,693
Speaker 2: the problem because from what I understand, with their traffic control,

1269
01:02:42,813 --> 01:02:45,613
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the time everything sweet airs. But

1270
01:02:45,693 --> 01:02:49,733
Speaker 2: then there's the one percent like crazy weather shifts, you know,

1271
01:02:49,933 --> 01:02:55,773
Speaker 2: pilots making eras, miscommunication, equipment failures, all these kind of

1272
01:02:55,773 --> 01:02:59,453
Speaker 2: things that at that point you need a human to

1273
01:03:00,973 --> 01:03:03,693
Speaker 2: you know, uncouple really really complicated things that may never

1274
01:03:03,733 --> 01:03:04,453
Speaker 2: have happened before.

1275
01:03:04,533 --> 01:03:06,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, AI can do a lot of good things, but

1276
01:03:06,253 --> 01:03:08,733
Speaker 3: trusting them is an ear traffic controller. I don't know,

1277
01:03:08,773 --> 01:03:10,773
Speaker 3: but much for me, oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1278
01:03:10,853 --> 01:03:13,053
Speaker 3: Someone was mentioning about the cost of the training as well.

1279
01:03:13,813 --> 01:03:17,773
Speaker 3: So air traffic control training is around fourteen thousand dollars.

1280
01:03:18,013 --> 01:03:19,853
Speaker 3: Then you've got your flight service training, which is an

1281
01:03:19,893 --> 01:03:22,693
Speaker 3: extra three thousand dollars on top of that, So that's

1282
01:03:22,773 --> 01:03:24,853
Speaker 3: quite a lot of money. You're looking at seventeen thousand

1283
01:03:24,893 --> 01:03:26,653
Speaker 3: dollars to do the training. I mean, if they're so

1284
01:03:26,773 --> 01:03:30,533
Speaker 3: worried about our ear traffic controllers being poached, why don't

1285
01:03:30,573 --> 01:03:32,413
Speaker 3: they make that training free of charge and just bond

1286
01:03:32,453 --> 01:03:33,333
Speaker 3: them for a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: The sixth says, I get sickond tired of hearing about

1288
01:03:35,613 --> 01:03:37,933
Speaker 2: better money somewhere else. That's true. We're always talking about

1289
01:03:37,933 --> 01:03:40,053
Speaker 2: better money somewhere else in New Zealand. I think that'll

1290
01:03:40,053 --> 01:03:42,733
Speaker 2: always be the case, right, There'll always be the case

1291
01:03:42,733 --> 01:03:45,413
Speaker 2: that there's more money somewhere else. Yeah, there is always

1292
01:03:45,453 --> 01:03:48,293
Speaker 2: better money somewhere else. You go, you sacrifice family, home,

1293
01:03:48,333 --> 01:03:50,893
Speaker 2: et cents, stee. You have family, but maybe not as

1294
01:03:50,973 --> 01:03:53,653
Speaker 2: much money. Money ain't everything. And the other thing is,

1295
01:03:53,773 --> 01:03:55,573
Speaker 2: you know, if you're taking the air traffic controller and

1296
01:03:55,933 --> 01:03:59,173
Speaker 2: we go like we're worried about them being poached the

1297
01:03:59,933 --> 01:04:02,133
Speaker 2: young people in New Zealand just from where we are

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Speaker 2: geographically speaking, and how outward looking we are. If you

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01:04:06,813 --> 01:04:08,613
Speaker 2: have changed in the air traffic controller and you're say,

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01:04:09,293 --> 01:04:12,333
Speaker 2: you know, between the age of like twenty five and forty,

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01:04:12,373 --> 01:04:14,133
Speaker 2: and someone says do you want to come and work

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01:04:14,173 --> 01:04:17,093
Speaker 2: in Spain, You're going to go, yeah, I'd like to

1303
01:04:17,093 --> 01:04:19,973
Speaker 2: try that out. Yeah, you might come back. It doesn't

1304
01:04:20,013 --> 01:04:23,693
Speaker 2: necessarily mean that New Zealand's terrible or we don't have

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01:04:23,813 --> 01:04:28,373
Speaker 2: enough money to pay people. People will want adventure. And

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01:04:28,653 --> 01:04:32,213
Speaker 2: it strikes me the type person that has the guts

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01:04:32,813 --> 01:04:35,253
Speaker 2: and the temperament to be an air traffic controller is

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01:04:35,253 --> 01:04:38,093
Speaker 2: probably the type of person that's willing to you know,

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01:04:38,213 --> 01:04:41,213
Speaker 2: upsticks and try something else and back themselves in another place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:04:42,053 --> 01:04:46,573
Speaker 2: So I've imagined no matter what we do, there's going

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01:04:46,653 --> 01:04:48,813
Speaker 2: to be your traffic controllers wanting to leave the country,

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01:04:49,213 --> 01:04:51,493
Speaker 2: so we just have to have enough through the pipeline.

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01:04:51,613 --> 01:04:53,213
Speaker 2: We can't. I guess what I'm saying is we can't

1315
01:04:53,253 --> 01:04:55,693
Speaker 2: keep beating ourselves up, as the text is pointing out,

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01:04:55,893 --> 01:04:58,253
Speaker 2: because people want to go overseas. We are a tiny

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01:04:58,253 --> 01:05:01,493
Speaker 2: little island in the middle of the South Pacific. People

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01:05:01,773 --> 01:05:03,653
Speaker 2: that are good at things are going to always want

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01:05:03,693 --> 01:05:05,733
Speaker 2: to leave our country for a bit. The best we

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01:05:05,773 --> 01:05:06,733
Speaker 2: can hope is they come back.

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01:05:06,813 --> 01:05:08,853
Speaker 3: Even the CEO of Airways is he was talking to

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01:05:08,853 --> 01:05:11,573
Speaker 3: Mike Costkin. He was an air traffic controller beck in

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01:05:11,653 --> 01:05:13,333
Speaker 3: his youth and he's obviously got to the top of

1324
01:05:13,373 --> 01:05:15,693
Speaker 3: Earways now. But he said, as a thirty nine year

1325
01:05:15,733 --> 01:05:18,013
Speaker 3: old air traffic controller, Dubai and made him a very

1326
01:05:18,053 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 3: generous offer, and he said, yes please, I'm in my thirties.

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01:05:21,293 --> 01:05:22,853
Speaker 3: I'm going to go over there. He was there for

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01:05:22,933 --> 01:05:25,333
Speaker 3: ten years and then he came back and used his

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01:05:25,453 --> 01:05:27,853
Speaker 3: skills back here in New Zealand. But it's interesting that

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01:05:27,973 --> 01:05:31,693
Speaker 3: you know they are worried about overseas talents, sorry on

1331
01:05:31,693 --> 01:05:34,053
Speaker 3: on ground talent being poached overseas, But he was one

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01:05:34,093 --> 01:05:36,173
Speaker 3: of those who got poached at some stage.

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01:05:36,293 --> 01:05:38,413
Speaker 2: The sexer makes a really good point. Would have AI

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01:05:38,613 --> 01:05:40,573
Speaker 2: put Sully into the Hudson River?

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01:05:41,373 --> 01:05:42,013
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:05:42,093 --> 01:05:47,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, for like fifteen forty nine? When was that? There

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01:05:47,333 --> 01:05:49,933
Speaker 2: was about you know, in the early two thousands, maybe

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01:05:49,933 --> 01:05:51,093
Speaker 2: twenty ten was it?

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01:05:51,093 --> 01:05:51,373
Speaker 15: It was?

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01:05:51,493 --> 01:05:53,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got I mean, is AI going to

1341
01:05:53,773 --> 01:05:54,533
Speaker 2: come up with that solution?

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01:05:54,853 --> 01:05:56,973
Speaker 3: You wouldn't beck it too, would you? I don't know

1343
01:05:57,013 --> 01:05:59,533
Speaker 3: what AI would do in that situation, but you know

1344
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,093
Speaker 3: Sully he did what he needed to do.

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01:06:02,293 --> 01:06:03,773
Speaker 2: And would you? And if Ali had shove it in

1346
01:06:03,773 --> 01:06:07,173
Speaker 2: the Hudson River, would you or would you think you've

1347
01:06:07,213 --> 01:06:09,133
Speaker 2: lost your mind? Got confused here?

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01:06:09,373 --> 01:06:12,213
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:06:12,213 --> 01:06:14,773
Speaker 3: to call if you've gone through this training or you've

1350
01:06:14,773 --> 01:06:17,093
Speaker 3: investigated it, or you've got family members who have gone

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01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:19,893
Speaker 3: through it. What is it like? And do we need

1352
01:06:19,893 --> 01:06:22,093
Speaker 3: to lower that age from twenty one ninety nine?

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01:06:22,173 --> 01:06:22,293
Speaker 15: Two?

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Speaker 3: Is that text? It is sixteen to.

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Speaker 1: Three the issues that affect you and a bit of

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01:06:27,253 --> 01:06:31,573
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Ziby it is thirteen two three.

1358
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Speaker 4: Are you ready to crack up the Scoda code?

1359
01:06:38,773 --> 01:06:40,653
Speaker 3: Yes, the team of sCOD I want to send you

1360
01:06:40,693 --> 01:06:42,813
Speaker 3: on a friend to experience the Tour de France when

1361
01:06:42,813 --> 01:06:44,813
Speaker 3: you play scoter codes. If you've been to the Scotera

1362
01:06:44,893 --> 01:06:47,613
Speaker 3: website for today's scoter code but needs some help, here

1363
01:06:47,813 --> 01:06:48,973
Speaker 3: is today's clue.

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01:06:49,093 --> 01:06:51,733
Speaker 2: It's what a camera can do, or it's a meeting

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01:06:51,813 --> 01:06:54,933
Speaker 2: no one wants to be in their clue again, it's

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01:06:55,213 --> 01:06:58,173
Speaker 2: what a camera can do, or it's a meeting no

1367
01:06:58,253 --> 01:06:59,093
Speaker 2: one wants to be in.

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01:06:59,373 --> 01:07:01,693
Speaker 3: Right, make sure you are in to war a trip

1369
01:07:01,693 --> 01:07:04,213
Speaker 3: for two to the Tour de France at Skoda dot

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01:07:04,253 --> 01:07:07,413
Speaker 3: co dot nz. That Scoter dot co dot nz. That

1371
01:07:07,493 --> 01:07:10,093
Speaker 3: is a phenomenal prize, so make sure you go in

1372
01:07:10,173 --> 01:07:12,373
Speaker 3: and enter to be in the draw Back to our

1373
01:07:12,373 --> 01:07:16,293
Speaker 3: discussion about air traffic controllers, some texts coming through on

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01:07:16,333 --> 01:07:17,293
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two.

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01:07:17,333 --> 01:07:19,373
Speaker 2: Interesting. A bunch of people are saying how do New

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01:07:19,493 --> 01:07:23,173
Speaker 2: Zealanders get jobs overseas and air traffic control if they

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01:07:23,173 --> 01:07:29,133
Speaker 2: can't speak the language? Interestingly enough, under international civilization and rules,

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01:07:29,133 --> 01:07:32,133
Speaker 2: English is the official international language of aviation, which is

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01:07:32,133 --> 01:07:34,933
Speaker 2: probably one of the reasons why New Zealand air traffic

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01:07:34,973 --> 01:07:38,693
Speaker 2: controllers are so in demand. Right, all pilots flying international

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01:07:38,773 --> 01:07:42,933
Speaker 2: must demonstrate English proficiency. All air traffic controllers working international

1382
01:07:42,933 --> 01:07:47,693
Speaker 2: traffic must meet ICAO English standards. That's Level four minimum,

1383
01:07:48,093 --> 01:07:50,293
Speaker 2: so you know, wherever you are, you're going to be

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01:07:50,293 --> 01:07:53,053
Speaker 2: speaking English, which is a huge vantage because that's what

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01:07:53,133 --> 01:07:54,373
Speaker 2: we speak here in New Zealand.

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01:07:54,493 --> 01:07:56,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if part of it is that. Look,

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01:07:56,933 --> 01:07:59,013
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty well known that our weather conditions

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01:07:59,013 --> 01:08:02,373
Speaker 3: at airports can be pretty hairy Queenstown, Wellington. We have

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01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:05,573
Speaker 3: all sorts of conditions that our air traffic controllers have

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01:08:05,613 --> 01:08:07,933
Speaker 3: to deal with. Whether that's part of it that they

1391
01:08:07,933 --> 01:08:10,053
Speaker 3: look at the like sorvin Zen and think you guys

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01:08:10,093 --> 01:08:12,613
Speaker 3: are pretty good and dealing with some pretty hairy situations.

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01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:15,253
Speaker 3: Come over to Dubai. It's pretty relaxed here apart from

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01:08:15,253 --> 01:08:17,213
Speaker 3: fifty degree heat. But you'll do very well and we'll

1395
01:08:17,213 --> 01:08:17,933
Speaker 3: pay you very well.

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01:08:17,973 --> 01:08:18,173
Speaker 21: Well.

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01:08:18,372 --> 01:08:22,133
Speaker 2: What I understand from New Zealand's greatest ever ATR pilot,

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01:08:22,173 --> 01:08:24,692
Speaker 2: Captain Scott Buttery, that napier is actually one of the

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01:08:24,732 --> 01:08:27,333
Speaker 2: hardest napier of all places land in New Zealand. You

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01:08:27,372 --> 01:08:30,852
Speaker 2: gotta ram it in like a tent pig half the time.

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01:08:31,452 --> 01:08:33,732
Speaker 3: Lorraine, how are you good?

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01:08:33,772 --> 01:08:37,372
Speaker 20: Afternoon? I had a friend who was a parlot and

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01:08:38,013 --> 01:08:43,013
Speaker 20: there was a dreadful night at Heathrow where someone one

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01:08:43,053 --> 01:08:45,973
Speaker 20: of the they were all stacked up, and one of

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01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:50,652
Speaker 20: the captains said a profanity and pea soup like it

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01:08:50,772 --> 01:08:56,053
Speaker 20: was ship piece soup, and the traffic controller completely lost it.

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01:08:56,452 --> 01:09:00,253
Speaker 20: Identify yourself immediately, what's going on, you know? And then

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01:09:00,293 --> 01:09:04,333
Speaker 20: every plane after that for the next thirty identified themselves

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01:09:04,412 --> 01:09:08,013
Speaker 20: as say, Quantus slight four seven six, wasn't us that

1410
01:09:08,093 --> 01:09:12,732
Speaker 20: said ship and they all just met it up in.

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01:09:12,812 --> 01:09:17,293
Speaker 20: The traffic controller just just lost it. So we've all

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01:09:17,293 --> 01:09:18,572
Speaker 20: had a laugh over that.

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01:09:18,572 --> 01:09:21,692
Speaker 3: I bet. Yeah, the poor air traffic controller, you know,

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01:09:21,772 --> 01:09:23,612
Speaker 3: I imagine we can have a laugh at that. The

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01:09:23,652 --> 01:09:26,132
Speaker 3: pilot thought it was pretty funny, but they're pretty stress

1416
01:09:26,173 --> 01:09:27,093
Speaker 3: sort of situations.

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01:09:27,933 --> 01:09:29,132
Speaker 20: Yeah, indeed.

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01:09:29,812 --> 01:09:31,692
Speaker 3: Good on your Lorraine, Thank you very much for giving

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01:09:31,772 --> 01:09:33,412
Speaker 3: us a buzz. Love to hear from you. One hundred

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01:09:33,412 --> 01:09:35,292
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty few texts coming through.

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01:09:35,173 --> 01:09:37,372
Speaker 2: Even says Sally went into the Hudson against all advice

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01:09:37,412 --> 01:09:39,652
Speaker 2: from their traffic control and saved all those lives. If

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01:09:39,692 --> 01:09:41,372
Speaker 2: he'd followed the system and advice, they would have been

1424
01:09:41,412 --> 01:09:43,973
Speaker 2: dead on approach to New It interesting. I need to

1425
01:09:44,013 --> 01:09:44,972
Speaker 2: rewatch that movie again.

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01:09:45,173 --> 01:09:47,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's phenomenal what he did. Yeah, Tom

1427
01:09:47,652 --> 01:09:52,212
Speaker 3: Hanks saving the day again. Yeah, I mean if that's yeah.

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01:09:52,253 --> 01:09:54,333
Speaker 2: So maybe I'm totally wrong. Maybe AI would have been

1429
01:09:54,333 --> 01:09:56,572
Speaker 2: the option. Maybe AO would have said shove it in

1430
01:09:56,612 --> 01:09:57,012
Speaker 2: the Hudson.

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01:09:57,253 --> 01:09:59,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, because from memory, he got pulled in front of

1432
01:09:59,572 --> 01:10:01,412
Speaker 3: a inquiry, didn't he to say why the hell did

1433
01:10:01,492 --> 01:10:03,412
Speaker 3: you do that? And he had to defend himself to say,

1434
01:10:03,612 --> 01:10:05,852
Speaker 3: what do you mean I saved everybody on board? Yes,

1435
01:10:05,893 --> 01:10:08,932
Speaker 3: it probably wasn't textbook landing. What of course it wasn't

1436
01:10:08,933 --> 01:10:11,532
Speaker 3: textbook landing. But I needed to do what I needed

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01:10:11,572 --> 01:10:11,772
Speaker 3: to do.

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01:10:11,893 --> 01:10:14,093
Speaker 2: I've seen a documentary on this, and the most annoying

1439
01:10:14,213 --> 01:10:16,692
Speaker 2: thing is when they actually land, but the plane is

1440
01:10:16,732 --> 01:10:18,972
Speaker 2: going down and you've got those people that go back

1441
01:10:18,973 --> 01:10:21,253
Speaker 2: to get their luggage. Yes, and then so there was

1442
01:10:21,372 --> 01:10:25,412
Speaker 2: nearly fatalities because people are morons. So Sally had done

1443
01:10:25,412 --> 01:10:28,133
Speaker 2: all of it, he'd done all the hard work, he'd

1444
01:10:28,173 --> 01:10:30,772
Speaker 2: landed it, the air stuarts had done their bit, and

1445
01:10:30,812 --> 01:10:32,572
Speaker 2: then there was people that were taking too long to

1446
01:10:32,572 --> 01:10:33,852
Speaker 2: get out of the plane and nearly drowned.

1447
01:10:33,933 --> 01:10:34,133
Speaker 22: Yeah.

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01:10:34,253 --> 01:10:36,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, so eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1449
01:10:37,053 --> 01:10:38,532
Speaker 3: number to call loved to hear from you. If you've

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01:10:38,572 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 3: gone through the air traffic controller training, how hard is it?

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01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:44,973
Speaker 3: Or if you've done it as a job, how stressful

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01:10:45,093 --> 01:10:47,053
Speaker 3: is it? There at nine two ninety two is the

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01:10:47,093 --> 01:10:48,213
Speaker 3: text number as well.

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01:10:49,572 --> 01:10:51,973
Speaker 2: You have to pay for the course at Airways in

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01:10:52,173 --> 01:10:54,173
Speaker 2: z to be an air traffic controller. That means the

1456
01:10:54,253 --> 01:10:56,812
Speaker 2: recruitment pool is smaller as not everyone can afford to

1457
01:10:56,853 --> 01:10:58,612
Speaker 2: move to christ you can pay the fees. Yeah, but

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01:10:58,652 --> 01:11:02,052
Speaker 2: that's the case for everything, right, So all tertiary education

1459
01:11:02,293 --> 01:11:05,053
Speaker 2: or most of it costs something. And so it's a

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01:11:05,133 --> 01:11:07,652
Speaker 2: year long course fourteen thousand dollars as you.

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01:11:07,612 --> 01:11:10,092
Speaker 3: Say, fourteen thou and then they tack on the three

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01:11:10,213 --> 01:11:13,293
Speaker 3: thousand and four standby, Well, I've got it in front

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01:11:13,333 --> 01:11:18,132
Speaker 3: of me. An extra three thousand for flights control training,

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01:11:18,213 --> 01:11:21,333
Speaker 3: So seventeen thousand all up there, it's about cheap as yeah,

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01:11:21,412 --> 01:11:23,293
Speaker 3: that's about accurate. I mean you look at a degree

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01:11:23,333 --> 01:11:27,173
Speaker 3: for four years, that's forty thousand dollars. Oh, one hundred

1467
01:11:27,213 --> 01:11:28,452
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty cent number to call.

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01:11:29,053 --> 01:11:31,572
Speaker 2: I would not want to fly if the New Zealander

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01:11:31,572 --> 01:11:34,293
Speaker 2: traffic controller was working at New York Airport and winter

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01:11:34,612 --> 01:11:37,092
Speaker 2: why why what's wrong with I think we'd be amazing.

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01:11:37,173 --> 01:11:39,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd kill it. That absolutely. I'll love a Kiwi

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Speaker 3: if they were doing that.

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01:11:40,532 --> 01:11:44,452
Speaker 2: Clearly because New Zealander traffic controllers are massively and debarn globally.

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01:11:44,572 --> 01:11:47,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peter, you're a retired airline pilot.

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01:11:49,572 --> 01:11:50,213
Speaker 23: I was just going to.

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01:11:50,253 --> 01:11:50,692
Speaker 17: Say that.

1477
01:11:52,732 --> 01:11:53,973
Speaker 23: I'll fly worldwise.

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01:11:57,973 --> 01:12:00,492
Speaker 3: Oh, Peter, I think we've got a terrible line. You

1479
01:12:00,612 --> 01:12:02,053
Speaker 3: just if you can just move to the left or

1480
01:12:02,173 --> 01:12:03,653
Speaker 3: right and hopefully that stabilizes.

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01:12:05,173 --> 01:12:05,732
Speaker 23: How was that?

1482
01:12:05,812 --> 01:12:08,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful you go for it's a retired airline pilot.

1483
01:12:09,253 --> 01:12:09,812
Speaker 23: How's that?

1484
01:12:09,893 --> 01:12:11,133
Speaker 3: Yep? Lovely, that's good, Peter.

1485
01:12:12,372 --> 01:12:16,772
Speaker 23: Okay, I was just going to say that worldwide, all

1486
01:12:16,853 --> 01:12:19,772
Speaker 23: traffic trollers are supposed to speak English, but you'll find

1487
01:12:20,253 --> 01:12:24,172
Speaker 23: a lot of time it's the local languages, both especially France,

1488
01:12:24,253 --> 01:12:28,972
Speaker 23: which should know better, but very very interesting.

1489
01:12:29,652 --> 01:12:32,452
Speaker 2: So they just come over and they break the rules

1490
01:12:32,452 --> 01:12:34,893
Speaker 2: when they're talking to you.

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01:12:35,333 --> 01:12:37,572
Speaker 23: They don't break the rules with with with an English

1492
01:12:37,612 --> 01:12:43,453
Speaker 23: speaking guy like French. French father in France will something.

1493
01:12:43,612 --> 01:12:45,333
Speaker 23: Some of them will actually talk in French.

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01:12:47,293 --> 01:12:48,932
Speaker 2: You can see them. Way that would happen though, right,

1495
01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:51,253
Speaker 2: especially the French they hate English.

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01:12:51,333 --> 01:12:54,132
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're coming into our territory. We'll speak our language.

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01:12:54,173 --> 01:12:55,652
Speaker 3: How do you deal with that, Peter? Would you say,

1498
01:12:55,692 --> 01:12:57,812
Speaker 3: excuse me, I don't speak French. Can you do what

1499
01:12:57,853 --> 01:12:58,253
Speaker 3: you need to do?

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01:12:59,532 --> 01:13:02,612
Speaker 23: There's no there's no problem. When you call up they

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01:13:02,612 --> 01:13:05,452
Speaker 23: can tell instantly you're a lot of frenchman or what

1502
01:13:05,492 --> 01:13:09,572
Speaker 23: was the And I's quite sure what happens in Asia

1503
01:13:09,652 --> 01:13:10,292
Speaker 23: as well.

1504
01:13:10,372 --> 01:13:12,892
Speaker 2: Peter, what's a more stressful job being an airline pilot

1505
01:13:13,013 --> 01:13:14,612
Speaker 2: or being an air traffic controller?

1506
01:13:15,812 --> 01:13:15,972
Speaker 22: Oh?

1507
01:13:16,133 --> 01:13:17,452
Speaker 23: Probably an air draft controller?

1508
01:13:17,492 --> 01:13:18,532
Speaker 22: Thinks right?

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01:13:18,893 --> 01:13:22,012
Speaker 2: How often do they get things that edge cases? Because

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01:13:22,013 --> 01:13:25,973
Speaker 2: I mentioned you know, most of the time things just

1511
01:13:26,013 --> 01:13:27,532
Speaker 2: go to plan. All the pilots are trying to do

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01:13:27,572 --> 01:13:30,852
Speaker 2: the right thing. You know, you know what the weather's like,

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01:13:30,893 --> 01:13:34,053
Speaker 2: you know what's going on. So you know, in your experience,

1514
01:13:34,133 --> 01:13:37,492
Speaker 2: have you have you you know, relied on air traffic

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01:13:37,492 --> 01:13:38,173
Speaker 2: controllers a lot.

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01:13:39,853 --> 01:13:40,013
Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:13:40,093 --> 01:13:43,572
Speaker 23: Absolutely, you rely on them the whole time. You know,

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01:13:44,093 --> 01:13:48,053
Speaker 23: you rely on them to have your spacing between aircraft

1519
01:13:48,133 --> 01:13:52,172
Speaker 23: and you've got no idea where the other aircraft are.

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01:13:52,732 --> 01:13:56,932
Speaker 23: So luckily, in the last last twenty ideas, we now

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01:13:57,013 --> 01:14:00,372
Speaker 23: have a thing called teas which I'll tell you that

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01:14:00,492 --> 01:14:03,892
Speaker 23: other airplanes are pretty close to you. But you know

1523
01:14:05,133 --> 01:14:07,892
Speaker 23: we do rely on them and they do a fantastic job.

1524
01:14:08,853 --> 01:14:11,053
Speaker 2: One ever got it wrong for you at all? A

1525
01:14:11,093 --> 01:14:13,452
Speaker 2: tower ever given you the wrong information or things got

1526
01:14:13,492 --> 01:14:15,013
Speaker 2: herey for you in your career.

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01:14:14,732 --> 01:14:21,333
Speaker 23: Peter, Oh no, No, your trade for all those those

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01:14:21,412 --> 01:14:25,812
Speaker 23: Burjie thinks of percent of the time it goes right

1529
01:14:25,893 --> 01:14:26,932
Speaker 23: that cost you.

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01:14:26,933 --> 01:14:33,452
Speaker 3: Never got into a barney with any of them. Yeah,

1531
01:14:33,532 --> 01:14:35,972
Speaker 3: spoken like a true pilot. Vek you very much, Peter.

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01:14:36,732 --> 01:14:40,253
Speaker 3: A couple more ticks covered through on nine to nine two.

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01:14:40,412 --> 01:14:42,772
Speaker 2: This is weird, this is interesting, I mean not weird.

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01:14:43,053 --> 01:14:45,772
Speaker 2: Western Sydney International Airport opens and that toober Ciss ticks.

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01:14:45,812 --> 01:14:48,532
Speaker 2: That will not have an air traffic control tower, a

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01:14:48,652 --> 01:14:51,692
Speaker 2: first for a major Ossie airport. So does that mean

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01:14:51,812 --> 01:14:55,812
Speaker 2: that the it's been run from somewhere else there's no

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01:14:55,933 --> 01:14:59,532
Speaker 2: tower at all, or or it's been run more centrally.

1539
01:15:00,372 --> 01:15:02,732
Speaker 3: Well that's a vague airport. It will not have an

1540
01:15:02,732 --> 01:15:04,052
Speaker 3: air traffic control tower.

1541
01:15:04,692 --> 01:15:09,372
Speaker 2: Well, I mean as it you know, been run from

1542
01:15:09,532 --> 01:15:12,692
Speaker 2: you know, technology is such that you can run it

1543
01:15:12,732 --> 01:15:14,133
Speaker 2: from a nearby airport, you know.

1544
01:15:14,293 --> 01:15:18,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting text, and will follow that up. This one says, okay, guys,

1545
01:15:18,372 --> 01:15:21,452
Speaker 3: air traffic controllers can easily make four hundred thousand k

1546
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:24,452
Speaker 3: tax free in parts of the Middle East. The main

1547
01:15:24,532 --> 01:15:28,253
Speaker 3: problem with the numbers of ATC's in New Zealanders that

1548
01:15:28,372 --> 01:15:30,932
Speaker 3: lots are on the cusp of retirement, which would make sense.

1549
01:15:31,973 --> 01:15:34,133
Speaker 3: You know, I suppose there's a few industries out there

1550
01:15:34,173 --> 01:15:36,492
Speaker 3: like that. I mean airline pilots for instance, a lot

1551
01:15:36,492 --> 01:15:38,532
Speaker 3: of retiring people and they need to get younger people in.

1552
01:15:38,772 --> 01:15:41,813
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, here we go. So Western Sydney International

1553
01:15:42,492 --> 01:15:46,412
Speaker 2: Nancy Bird Walton Airport will be Australia's first major airport

1554
01:15:46,412 --> 01:15:48,812
Speaker 2: I RAP without a traditional on site physical air traffic

1555
01:15:48,812 --> 01:15:51,892
Speaker 2: control tower when it opens this year. Instead, it will

1556
01:15:51,893 --> 01:15:59,132
Speaker 2: be user revolutionary digital tower a DAS Digital Aerodrome Service,

1557
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:01,572
Speaker 2: located seventeen kilomis away at Eastern Creek.

1558
01:16:02,572 --> 01:16:04,053
Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, So the.

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01:16:04,013 --> 01:16:06,732
Speaker 2: Tower will be I mean, it's still got a dedicated tower,

1560
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:07,772
Speaker 2: it's just not at the airport.

1561
01:16:07,933 --> 01:16:08,133
Speaker 4: Yep.

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01:16:08,372 --> 01:16:11,213
Speaker 3: Good to clear that up. Great discussion. Thank you very

1563
01:16:11,293 --> 01:16:13,333
Speaker 3: much everyone who called a text on that one. And

1564
01:16:13,372 --> 01:16:15,852
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with our four people that we

1565
01:16:15,893 --> 01:16:17,292
Speaker 3: need to be controllers.

1566
01:16:17,452 --> 01:16:18,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're still going to have all the

1567
01:16:18,652 --> 01:16:19,572
Speaker 2: cameras and stuff there.

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01:16:19,732 --> 01:16:22,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly all right. Coming up after three o'clock, Bunnings

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01:16:22,933 --> 01:16:25,412
Speaker 3: is going to Uber your.

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01:16:25,333 --> 01:16:28,852
Speaker 1: Home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Matt Heath and

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01:16:28,933 --> 01:16:32,293
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons with Skoda on News Talks.

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01:16:32,492 --> 01:16:35,052
Speaker 3: Be very good Afternoons. You welcome back into the show

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01:16:35,133 --> 01:16:36,052
Speaker 3: six past three.

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01:16:36,372 --> 01:16:40,372
Speaker 2: In the last hour before we get into this hours topic,

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01:16:40,412 --> 01:16:42,692
Speaker 2: and the last hour was talking about AI and how

1576
01:16:42,732 --> 01:16:46,133
Speaker 2: it isn't good in edge cases, well, can't necessarily be

1577
01:16:46,133 --> 01:16:48,372
Speaker 2: trusted in edge cases. This was in relation to your

1578
01:16:48,412 --> 01:16:51,852
Speaker 2: traffic control. When it comes to lateral thinking or you know,

1579
01:16:52,053 --> 01:16:57,252
Speaker 2: just basic human logic, it can often be found wanting.

1580
01:16:57,293 --> 01:16:59,772
Speaker 2: And I follow this guy on Instagram who spends his

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01:16:59,853 --> 01:17:04,253
Speaker 2: time testing edge cases of AI. His name is Father Feet,

1582
01:17:04,412 --> 01:17:10,213
Speaker 2: which is Father Underscore p h I. E are the fire.

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01:17:10,253 --> 01:17:12,732
Speaker 2: I guess you'd say, yeah, Father FI further fire p

1584
01:17:13,013 --> 01:17:17,812
Speaker 2: h I. And here he's always finding ways that AI

1585
01:17:18,572 --> 01:17:22,053
Speaker 2: just becomes so incredibly stupid. What's always funny about it

1586
01:17:22,093 --> 01:17:25,093
Speaker 2: is how confident it is in its responses because it

1587
01:17:25,173 --> 01:17:29,892
Speaker 2: is programmed to seem jovial and talkative, so it really

1588
01:17:29,893 --> 01:17:35,052
Speaker 2: doesn't have acknowledge that it's being tested, or it doesn't

1589
01:17:35,053 --> 01:17:38,333
Speaker 2: really acknowledge frustration, what's going on? It just comes at

1590
01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:42,612
Speaker 2: you with this incredible positive attitude to things. So here

1591
01:17:42,772 --> 01:17:46,492
Speaker 2: is some audio of him tricking chat GPT with a cup.

1592
01:17:47,013 --> 01:17:51,932
Speaker 2: So he describes and shows his phone as a chat

1593
01:17:51,973 --> 01:17:55,612
Speaker 2: GPT app Chat GPT pro app on his phone a

1594
01:17:55,732 --> 01:17:59,213
Speaker 2: cup that's upside down. So it's a cup, just a

1595
01:17:59,253 --> 01:18:04,732
Speaker 2: normal everyday orange cup, but instead of having the you know,

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01:18:05,213 --> 01:18:08,373
Speaker 2: the top up where you pour the water in and

1597
01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:10,812
Speaker 2: and the base below, he's just flipped it around the

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01:18:10,812 --> 01:18:13,213
Speaker 2: other way. So he's talking to check GPT about an

1599
01:18:13,333 --> 01:18:17,372
Speaker 2: upside down very standard cup. Okay, and so listen to

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01:18:18,013 --> 01:18:19,532
Speaker 2: how chet GPT deals with it.

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01:18:19,692 --> 01:18:22,172
Speaker 12: Chet GPT, I was given a cup by a friend

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01:18:22,772 --> 01:18:25,492
Speaker 12: and the top of the cup is sealed and the

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01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:27,452
Speaker 12: bottom is open. How do I drink from this?

1604
01:18:28,973 --> 01:18:30,812
Speaker 24: Well, unless you want to wear your drink as a

1605
01:18:30,812 --> 01:18:33,652
Speaker 24: fashion statement, that cup's not going to be very functional.

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01:18:34,173 --> 01:18:36,652
Speaker 24: A sealed top means there's no easy way in and

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01:18:36,692 --> 01:18:39,572
Speaker 24: an open bottom means everything pours out. If it's some

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01:18:39,692 --> 01:18:42,253
Speaker 24: kind of joke or novelty item, you can have a laugh,

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01:18:42,692 --> 01:18:44,572
Speaker 24: just grab a different cup when you actually want to

1610
01:18:44,652 --> 01:18:45,213
Speaker 24: drink something.

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01:18:46,492 --> 01:18:48,412
Speaker 12: Hold up, so let me show you the cup, right,

1612
01:18:49,372 --> 01:18:51,933
Speaker 12: you think this, I cannot drink from this?

1613
01:18:52,692 --> 01:18:54,133
Speaker 24: Yes, I can see it now.

1614
01:18:54,372 --> 01:18:55,652
Speaker 14: It looks like a novelty cup.

1615
01:18:55,652 --> 01:18:58,852
Speaker 24: Indeed, if the top is sealed and the bottom is open,

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01:18:59,173 --> 01:19:02,692
Speaker 24: that's likely a dag gift. In practical terms, you won't

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01:19:02,732 --> 01:19:05,773
Speaker 24: be drinking from that one unless there's some hidden mechanism

1618
01:19:05,893 --> 01:19:06,372
Speaker 24: or a trick.

1619
01:19:06,572 --> 01:19:10,052
Speaker 12: So what if I would tell you that I could,

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01:19:10,253 --> 01:19:14,732
Speaker 12: I could do something like this. Do you see it now?

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01:19:15,133 --> 01:19:16,612
Speaker 12: I flipped it over?

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01:19:18,572 --> 01:19:19,532
Speaker 14: Ah, I see.

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01:19:19,732 --> 01:19:23,213
Speaker 24: So it's one of those reversible designs. When flipped the

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01:19:23,253 --> 01:19:24,652
Speaker 24: open side becomes the top.

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01:19:25,213 --> 01:19:28,853
Speaker 3: So, yes, you've got a functional AI.

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01:19:29,732 --> 01:19:35,732
Speaker 2: So it was so confident. Is there some kind of

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01:19:35,772 --> 01:19:37,213
Speaker 2: hidden mechanism or trick?

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01:19:38,732 --> 01:19:40,013
Speaker 3: Talk about overthinking it?

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01:19:41,772 --> 01:19:46,013
Speaker 2: So it goes with the top sealed, nothing can go in,

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01:19:46,053 --> 01:19:49,452
Speaker 2: and with the bottom open, everything will come out. I mean,

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01:19:50,772 --> 01:19:53,572
Speaker 2: if you can't see that, you would just tip the

1632
01:19:53,572 --> 01:19:56,572
Speaker 2: cup over and it becomes a cup again. You're missing

1633
01:19:56,612 --> 01:20:00,333
Speaker 2: some very basic level of intelligence.

1634
01:20:00,372 --> 01:20:02,612
Speaker 3: A child could see just take the cup over.

1635
01:20:02,853 --> 01:20:06,492
Speaker 2: And so that is why you can't have AI running

1636
01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:13,093
Speaker 2: air traffic control. Yeah, because if if you can't solve

1637
01:20:13,093 --> 01:20:15,013
Speaker 2: a problem like that, that the cups upside down and

1638
01:20:15,013 --> 01:20:16,213
Speaker 2: you just need to dip it around the other way

1639
01:20:16,253 --> 01:20:16,973
Speaker 2: to pour the water in.

1640
01:20:17,213 --> 01:20:18,572
Speaker 3: Gives me a lot of faith that a lot of

1641
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:20,612
Speaker 3: jobs out there are safe for a long time coming.

1642
01:20:20,772 --> 01:20:24,012
Speaker 3: That is some great audio. Right, let's get into this sexass.

1643
01:20:24,053 --> 01:20:25,772
Speaker 2: It's like dealing with the Auckland Council.

1644
01:20:26,372 --> 01:20:29,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Right, let's get into this story. So

1645
01:20:29,692 --> 01:20:33,173
Speaker 3: hardware Giant Bunnings that will will soon be available on

1646
01:20:33,213 --> 01:20:35,293
Speaker 3: the Uber each delivery service for the first time. This

1647
01:20:35,372 --> 01:20:38,412
Speaker 3: promises tools, garden and household items delivered to the door

1648
01:20:38,732 --> 01:20:40,892
Speaker 3: in less than sixty minutes. They say they've got more

1649
01:20:40,973 --> 01:20:44,652
Speaker 3: than thirty thousand items that will be available for order

1650
01:20:44,853 --> 01:20:48,452
Speaker 3: in Australia and New Zealand. So the stage rollout has

1651
01:20:48,492 --> 01:20:50,772
Speaker 3: started in Australia and it seemed to go pretty well

1652
01:20:50,772 --> 01:20:53,293
Speaker 3: in Melbourne. But this is now coming to New Zealand

1653
01:20:53,772 --> 01:20:54,732
Speaker 3: very very soon.

1654
01:20:54,973 --> 01:20:57,412
Speaker 2: They're going to lose billions on this. They're going to

1655
01:20:57,492 --> 01:21:01,732
Speaker 2: lose billions because whenever I start a diy job at home,

1656
01:21:02,692 --> 01:21:06,133
Speaker 2: I find a reason to go to Bunnings. Yep, Well

1657
01:21:06,173 --> 01:21:08,892
Speaker 2: might attend to go to a warehouse to buy something.

1658
01:21:09,612 --> 01:21:12,532
Speaker 2: I'll look around. It's part of the proscript procrastination process.

1659
01:21:12,612 --> 01:21:14,852
Speaker 2: You go to do this job. I'm going to need this,

1660
01:21:16,053 --> 01:21:17,692
Speaker 2: and you maybe come up with a little plan and

1661
01:21:17,732 --> 01:21:21,652
Speaker 2: your head and you head along to the hardware store

1662
01:21:22,213 --> 01:21:25,412
Speaker 2: and then you walk around and it's the happiest time

1663
01:21:25,452 --> 01:21:27,852
Speaker 2: of your life, basically skipping up and down the aisles,

1664
01:21:27,893 --> 01:21:31,412
Speaker 2: because being in a hardware store is just pure Joy'side

1665
01:21:31,452 --> 01:21:35,133
Speaker 2: Disneyland for adults to anyone sane. And then as you're

1666
01:21:35,173 --> 01:21:38,932
Speaker 2: looking for the exact right bolt or screw or whatever

1667
01:21:38,973 --> 01:21:42,093
Speaker 2: you need, whatever crazy plan you need, chicken wire, whatever

1668
01:21:42,133 --> 01:21:45,092
Speaker 2: you're looking for, you spot about one hundred other things

1669
01:21:45,133 --> 01:21:49,293
Speaker 2: that you suddenly decide you need. You buy another forty

1670
01:21:49,293 --> 01:21:51,532
Speaker 2: pack of batteries because you're not sure if you've got

1671
01:21:51,612 --> 01:21:53,372
Speaker 2: enough batteries at home. When you get home, you get

1672
01:21:53,412 --> 01:21:55,892
Speaker 2: told off because it turns out there's a carton full

1673
01:21:55,933 --> 01:22:00,013
Speaker 2: of about a thousand batteries, but you spend There's no

1674
01:22:00,133 --> 01:22:03,492
Speaker 2: time when I go to a hardware store and leave

1675
01:22:03,973 --> 01:22:06,652
Speaker 2: just with the item that I wanted. So true, so

1676
01:22:06,732 --> 01:22:09,213
Speaker 2: I will never leave, and even if I do, then

1677
01:22:09,253 --> 01:22:11,213
Speaker 2: I'll leave with a lot more of it than I need.

1678
01:22:11,253 --> 01:22:13,173
Speaker 2: So if there's a particular type of screw I'll need,

1679
01:22:13,492 --> 01:22:16,573
Speaker 2: and I need two of them, I will buy a

1680
01:22:16,692 --> 01:22:19,973
Speaker 2: pottle of one hundred yep. So I think that that

1681
01:22:20,013 --> 01:22:22,052
Speaker 2: they're gonna miss ound a lot of money here, because

1682
01:22:22,053 --> 01:22:23,372
Speaker 2: if I'm at home and I'm about to do it

1683
01:22:23,412 --> 01:22:25,572
Speaker 2: and I go just online, I'm going to go this,

1684
01:22:25,772 --> 01:22:28,612
Speaker 2: I screw this many yep, let's go.

1685
01:22:28,692 --> 01:22:30,293
Speaker 3: It's going to be there in an under an hour.

1686
01:22:30,452 --> 01:22:34,492
Speaker 2: I'm not going to buy a pair of nice gloves

1687
01:22:34,532 --> 01:22:36,253
Speaker 2: because I thought I might need them. I'm not going

1688
01:22:36,333 --> 01:22:38,892
Speaker 2: to go past some bolt cutters and go maybe I'll

1689
01:22:38,933 --> 01:22:39,932
Speaker 2: need them one day.

1690
01:22:39,933 --> 01:22:42,133
Speaker 3: Pair of fly traps because it's on special for two

1691
01:22:42,173 --> 01:22:44,412
Speaker 3: bucks a pop. I can't walk past there. Quite often

1692
01:22:44,412 --> 01:22:46,732
Speaker 3: I'll come home with five liters of dish washing liquid

1693
01:22:46,772 --> 01:22:48,093
Speaker 3: because it was on special.

1694
01:22:47,772 --> 01:22:50,133
Speaker 2: At five dollars a pop. That's smart, though, it is.

1695
01:22:50,253 --> 01:22:52,692
Speaker 2: I'm doing that all the time now because I've got

1696
01:22:52,692 --> 01:22:56,452
Speaker 2: the I've got the little squeegey thing. The little one

1697
01:22:56,933 --> 01:23:02,972
Speaker 2: one brand started selling like black squeezy dish washing liquid holders. Yes,

1698
01:23:03,372 --> 01:23:05,772
Speaker 2: and seen them, yeah, And so I bought them. And

1699
01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:07,532
Speaker 2: now every time I go to Bunnings, I buy the

1700
01:23:07,572 --> 01:23:10,213
Speaker 2: burgest amount of just washing liquid I can. To the

1701
01:23:10,213 --> 01:23:12,173
Speaker 2: point now there's no room under our sink because we've

1702
01:23:12,173 --> 01:23:14,612
Speaker 2: got some just washing liquid. But on the other end

1703
01:23:14,692 --> 01:23:17,452
Speaker 2: of the scale, we never have that situation where you

1704
01:23:17,452 --> 01:23:20,532
Speaker 2: go to the distance and you go there's nothing there exactly.

1705
01:23:20,612 --> 01:23:22,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, bog buying Bunnings are great for it, but I

1706
01:23:22,532 --> 01:23:24,093
Speaker 3: love to hear from you, oh, eight hundred and eighty

1707
01:23:24,133 --> 01:23:26,813
Speaker 3: ten eighty this sort of service. Is it peak laziness?

1708
01:23:26,812 --> 01:23:29,412
Speaker 3: And is it taking the joy out of things we

1709
01:23:29,412 --> 01:23:31,492
Speaker 3: actually love to do, like going down to Bunnings, And

1710
01:23:31,572 --> 01:23:33,333
Speaker 3: even if you don't really know what you want to buy,

1711
01:23:33,372 --> 01:23:36,173
Speaker 3: you're going down for one single thing. Who among us

1712
01:23:36,253 --> 01:23:39,372
Speaker 3: does not come out with multiple things we didn't need

1713
01:23:39,532 --> 01:23:40,972
Speaker 3: because it's the pure joy.

1714
01:23:41,133 --> 01:23:43,012
Speaker 2: It's getting down. It's the best part of any job,

1715
01:23:43,013 --> 01:23:45,692
Speaker 2: as the the two and a half hours you spend

1716
01:23:46,253 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 2: procrastinating at the hardware store. But you do it, so

1717
01:23:49,532 --> 01:23:51,612
Speaker 2: we te hundred and eighty ten eighty is another. Nineteen

1718
01:23:51,732 --> 01:23:52,973
Speaker 2: nine two is the text number. And if you have

1719
01:23:53,093 --> 01:23:57,412
Speaker 2: solved that problem with the cup with the seal top

1720
01:23:57,572 --> 01:23:59,812
Speaker 2: and the open bottom, we'd like to hear from you

1721
01:23:59,853 --> 01:24:00,173
Speaker 2: as well.

1722
01:24:00,293 --> 01:24:02,333
Speaker 3: Come on through. Nineteen ninety two is the text. That

1723
01:24:02,532 --> 01:24:06,772
Speaker 3: is fourteen past three news talk sa'd be seventeen past three,

1724
01:24:06,853 --> 01:24:09,452
Speaker 3: So we are talking about Bunnings. Moving to uber eats,

1725
01:24:09,532 --> 01:24:12,852
Speaker 3: they say, if you want one of their thirty thousand items,

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01:24:12,893 --> 01:24:14,612
Speaker 3: you can order it on uber eats and get it

1727
01:24:14,652 --> 01:24:17,973
Speaker 3: delivered in under sixty minutes. But does it take the

1728
01:24:18,093 --> 01:24:23,252
Speaker 3: joy again, taking the joy of everyday things that we generally,

1729
01:24:23,333 --> 01:24:25,452
Speaker 3: I genuinely love a lot of people love going down

1730
01:24:25,452 --> 01:24:28,933
Speaker 3: to Bunnings. It's like Disneyland for blokes? Is this just

1731
01:24:29,013 --> 01:24:33,333
Speaker 3: a ruin agent and Tyler? I see lots of women

1732
01:24:33,692 --> 01:24:37,772
Speaker 3: in Bunnings drinking the blokes of just taking them down there.

1733
01:24:38,933 --> 01:24:41,732
Speaker 2: That's no. I think there's lots of stuff for people there.

1734
01:24:41,812 --> 01:24:44,452
Speaker 2: What about the sausages at Bunnings? Can you get that

1735
01:24:44,572 --> 01:24:46,452
Speaker 2: on there? Of course you can, surely you can.

1736
01:24:46,532 --> 01:24:48,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, tuber eats, So if you want to eat one

1737
01:24:48,572 --> 01:24:51,252
Speaker 3: of their sausages and give a charity a couple of bucks.

1738
01:24:51,133 --> 01:24:53,612
Speaker 2: Essentially impossible to go past a sausage sizzle.

1739
01:24:54,013 --> 01:24:57,372
Speaker 3: I find, Yeah, smells so good when you park up.

1740
01:24:58,013 --> 01:25:00,012
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming from a nine to two nine

1741
01:25:00,053 --> 01:25:01,052
Speaker 3: to two guys.

1742
01:25:01,093 --> 01:25:06,213
Speaker 2: Those people that do Uber hardware gardening will be that lazy.

1743
01:25:06,213 --> 01:25:08,253
Speaker 2: The uber drive will be end up doing the jib als.

1744
01:25:08,333 --> 01:25:12,852
Speaker 2: So that's but you can get that like higher and

1745
01:25:12,893 --> 01:25:16,173
Speaker 2: hubby rights, ob're just going to go with everything, so

1746
01:25:16,812 --> 01:25:19,732
Speaker 2: it's going to move on. So you've got the situation

1747
01:25:19,812 --> 01:25:23,933
Speaker 2: where you now can get hardware delivered and by Ober, ye,

1748
01:25:24,572 --> 01:25:26,492
Speaker 2: will you be able to just be able to order

1749
01:25:26,812 --> 01:25:29,333
Speaker 2: a dude to be dropped off to do the job.

1750
01:25:29,492 --> 01:25:33,293
Speaker 3: I think it's covering. Yeah, I think it's coming. Yeah, Ken,

1751
01:25:33,652 --> 01:25:34,652
Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

1752
01:25:35,893 --> 01:25:36,293
Speaker 25: I'm good.

1753
01:25:36,372 --> 01:25:38,692
Speaker 21: I'm good, guys, thanks very much. It's just driving home

1754
01:25:38,732 --> 01:25:39,973
Speaker 21: from school pick up.

1755
01:25:40,213 --> 01:25:41,852
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, very good. Can you hear your thoughts?

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01:25:43,412 --> 01:25:43,612
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1757
01:25:43,612 --> 01:25:46,093
Speaker 21: I wanted to talk about AI You guys have been

1758
01:25:46,213 --> 01:25:49,812
Speaker 21: just saying AI ovid and how it's not very good

1759
01:25:49,933 --> 01:25:54,572
Speaker 21: for for olie and of course it's been tried in

1760
01:25:54,652 --> 01:25:56,892
Speaker 21: that spare yet, but I just wanted to point out

1761
01:25:57,013 --> 01:26:01,452
Speaker 21: it's pretty damn good at sort of dynamically evolving situations.

1762
01:26:01,973 --> 01:26:02,732
Speaker 26: When you look at.

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01:26:02,812 --> 01:26:05,133
Speaker 21: Full self driving cars, for instance, you.

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01:26:05,293 --> 01:26:09,173
Speaker 26: Tesla's and the technic level of the technology I've got

1765
01:26:09,293 --> 01:26:12,772
Speaker 26: where it has to make decisions on repidly changing traffic

1766
01:26:12,893 --> 01:26:16,932
Speaker 26: situations and intersections and whatnot, and it's pretty good. It's

1767
01:26:16,973 --> 01:26:20,012
Speaker 26: getting very very close to being what it is, safer than.

1768
01:26:21,412 --> 01:26:23,213
Speaker 21: Humans driving cars now pretty much.

1769
01:26:24,532 --> 01:26:29,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean That's interesting. Why isn't that because the

1770
01:26:29,253 --> 01:26:33,133
Speaker 2: example we're talking about here is you know, not being

1771
01:26:33,173 --> 01:26:34,892
Speaker 2: able to recognize that you could just turn a cut

1772
01:26:35,013 --> 01:26:37,053
Speaker 2: round the other way. So do you think with driving AI,

1773
01:26:37,173 --> 01:26:39,013
Speaker 2: does it not really end up with those kind of

1774
01:26:40,053 --> 01:26:43,892
Speaker 2: edge cases? It's like avoid that turn.

1775
01:26:44,053 --> 01:26:44,253
Speaker 9: Here?

1776
01:26:45,133 --> 01:26:47,692
Speaker 2: These are the traffic rules because I'm just trying to

1777
01:26:47,732 --> 01:26:50,772
Speaker 2: think what are the edge cases of AI driving and

1778
01:26:51,213 --> 01:26:53,612
Speaker 2: you know, automatic driving? I guess they do come and

1779
01:26:53,692 --> 01:26:57,053
Speaker 2: don't they though? With in those horrible situations where you

1780
01:26:57,572 --> 01:26:59,652
Speaker 2: which most people in their life will never face in

1781
01:26:59,772 --> 01:27:02,612
Speaker 2: most self driving cars will never face like do I

1782
01:27:02,732 --> 01:27:06,692
Speaker 2: plow through two young people or two old people? If

1783
01:27:06,732 --> 01:27:08,173
Speaker 2: you have to plow through two people? If you know,

1784
01:27:08,412 --> 01:27:09,572
Speaker 2: mean the trolley problem?

1785
01:27:10,853 --> 01:27:17,852
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, I mean the Tesla set up situation. They

1786
01:27:17,933 --> 01:27:19,932
Speaker 21: started off with a rule based system, you know, if

1787
01:27:19,933 --> 01:27:22,612
Speaker 21: the light has read there's no traffic from the right,

1788
01:27:22,772 --> 01:27:26,572
Speaker 21: or this and that, and they found out that it

1789
01:27:26,853 --> 01:27:31,892
Speaker 21: was more effective and more powerful and made better decisions

1790
01:27:31,933 --> 01:27:36,612
Speaker 21: when they relied on video. So Tesla's have video going all.

1791
01:27:36,532 --> 01:27:40,132
Speaker 27: Around them, sort of like you know the Google Google

1792
01:27:40,213 --> 01:27:43,213
Speaker 27: Maps type situation that are seeing what's around them and

1793
01:27:43,293 --> 01:27:45,732
Speaker 27: all of that video gets streamed up to the cloud

1794
01:27:46,372 --> 01:27:53,812
Speaker 27: and becomes available for evaluating situations in the future. So

1795
01:27:54,133 --> 01:27:55,852
Speaker 27: I mean that's pretty incredible.

1796
01:27:55,893 --> 01:27:57,532
Speaker 21: I don't know how they help they have the bandwidth

1797
01:27:57,612 --> 01:28:00,372
Speaker 21: to do that. Yeah, so it's based on video now,

1798
01:28:00,652 --> 01:28:05,213
Speaker 21: not on rules based track and control. Could could could

1799
01:28:05,293 --> 01:28:06,293
Speaker 21: be along those lines.

1800
01:28:06,372 --> 01:28:10,253
Speaker 2: Maybe you get situations, don't you though, with people just putting,

1801
01:28:12,013 --> 01:28:16,772
Speaker 2: you know, road cones behind self driving cars, and they've

1802
01:28:16,893 --> 01:28:20,932
Speaker 2: struggle to deal with it because well for mainly because

1803
01:28:20,933 --> 01:28:23,213
Speaker 2: they don't have any If they don't have any on

1804
01:28:23,293 --> 01:28:25,293
Speaker 2: a situation where they don't have anyone driving the car,

1805
01:28:25,333 --> 01:28:27,492
Speaker 2: there's no one in there, then they don't have anyone

1806
01:28:27,572 --> 01:28:29,213
Speaker 2: to get out to go and move the road cone.

1807
01:28:29,253 --> 01:28:31,293
Speaker 2: So they kind of stymied by something that would be

1808
01:28:31,333 --> 01:28:32,652
Speaker 2: pretty simple for a human effex.

1809
01:28:34,213 --> 01:28:35,372
Speaker 23: Yeah yeah, I.

1810
01:28:35,412 --> 01:28:37,732
Speaker 21: Mean I'm sure you can go and find things like that.

1811
01:28:39,692 --> 01:28:41,772
Speaker 21: It ends on how each you wanted to get to be.

1812
01:28:42,652 --> 01:28:45,772
Speaker 2: And I guess in those circumstances they err on the

1813
01:28:46,213 --> 01:28:49,972
Speaker 2: side of safety, don't they, So whilst whilst they may

1814
01:28:50,572 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 2: like just freeze or may not be functioning anymore, they're

1815
01:28:55,133 --> 01:28:56,333
Speaker 2: not killing anyone.

1816
01:28:57,973 --> 01:29:02,772
Speaker 21: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I mean just look at

1817
01:29:02,853 --> 01:29:07,492
Speaker 21: models like LANs has large language models like GPT and

1818
01:29:07,612 --> 01:29:11,972
Speaker 21: SONG is a lot more refined and specific AI tools

1819
01:29:12,013 --> 01:29:12,372
Speaker 21: out there.

1820
01:29:12,532 --> 01:29:15,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I'm trying to say, Yeah, exactly, because

1821
01:29:15,532 --> 01:29:18,372
Speaker 2: I mean they're chat GPT's trying to deal with absolutely

1822
01:29:18,452 --> 01:29:20,372
Speaker 2: everything in the world that could ever be thrown up

1823
01:29:20,412 --> 01:29:24,213
Speaker 2: in front of it, rather than a self driving car

1824
01:29:24,372 --> 01:29:27,173
Speaker 2: is being optimized for every possible scenario that they can

1825
01:29:27,213 --> 01:29:28,812
Speaker 2: put in front of it and teach it. And people

1826
01:29:28,853 --> 01:29:30,812
Speaker 2: are doing that all the time. So as well as

1827
01:29:31,293 --> 01:29:33,932
Speaker 2: being AI, it's also you know, got the human hands

1828
01:29:33,973 --> 01:29:36,772
Speaker 2: in it optimizing it. Yeah, thanks for call Ken, Yeah,

1829
01:29:36,933 --> 01:29:37,532
Speaker 2: very fair.

1830
01:29:37,532 --> 01:29:40,572
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Oh e one hundred and eighty

1831
01:29:40,652 --> 01:29:42,213
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call if you want

1832
01:29:42,213 --> 01:29:44,692
Speaker 3: to have a chat about AI and it's limitations by

1833
01:29:44,732 --> 01:29:48,093
Speaker 3: all means. But we're also talking about Bunnings utilizing Uber.

1834
01:29:48,853 --> 01:29:51,732
Speaker 3: Is this just peak laziness? Is that ruining some of

1835
01:29:51,772 --> 01:29:53,412
Speaker 3: the joys in life, like going down to your good

1836
01:29:53,412 --> 01:29:53,972
Speaker 3: old Bunnings.

1837
01:29:54,372 --> 01:29:57,732
Speaker 2: Why are you giving Bunnings bracket os the owned closed

1838
01:29:57,772 --> 01:30:01,372
Speaker 2: bracket company at constant plug on radio might attend streets

1839
01:30:01,372 --> 01:30:04,972
Speaker 2: ahead and quality customer here and locally owned also quite

1840
01:30:05,093 --> 01:30:07,812
Speaker 2: often cheaper. Yeah, well, I mean what I guess We're

1841
01:30:07,812 --> 01:30:09,692
Speaker 2: only talking about Bunnings right now because they're the ones

1842
01:30:09,732 --> 01:30:13,213
Speaker 2: that have announced that they're going to do Uber pickups. Yeah,

1843
01:30:13,412 --> 01:30:14,772
Speaker 2: I'm sure Mighty ten will follow.

1844
01:30:15,013 --> 01:30:17,093
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with mighty ten Love. I'm a good might

1845
01:30:17,133 --> 01:30:19,173
Speaker 3: a ten love, a might a ten mega. Yep, got

1846
01:30:19,293 --> 01:30:22,372
Speaker 3: to go with a mega huge fan, Ben, This is

1847
01:30:22,452 --> 01:30:23,173
Speaker 3: going to be great for you.

1848
01:30:24,812 --> 01:30:25,652
Speaker 13: Yeah, good guys.

1849
01:30:26,093 --> 01:30:28,452
Speaker 22: Yes, so I'm a quantity servo, but I'm also a

1850
01:30:28,532 --> 01:30:31,012
Speaker 22: chippy and I still do I'm not in the office

1851
01:30:31,013 --> 01:30:32,492
Speaker 22: all the time, so I still do a lot of

1852
01:30:33,572 --> 01:30:36,333
Speaker 22: building work. I'm still on the site probably two out

1853
01:30:36,333 --> 01:30:39,173
Speaker 22: of the five days a week. Now, this is going

1854
01:30:39,253 --> 01:30:42,012
Speaker 22: to be a game changer for tradees because I don't

1855
01:30:42,053 --> 01:30:44,333
Speaker 22: know how many times I've been on a site and

1856
01:30:44,492 --> 01:30:47,412
Speaker 22: I just can't find the tool I need, or I

1857
01:30:47,492 --> 01:30:50,013
Speaker 22: can't find a square drive to chuck a screwing, or

1858
01:30:50,692 --> 01:30:52,852
Speaker 22: I've misjudged how many nails I need and I need

1859
01:30:52,933 --> 01:30:56,652
Speaker 22: some nails. So now instead of having to spend an

1860
01:30:56,692 --> 01:30:58,532
Speaker 22: hour at a shoot into town and grab what I

1861
01:30:58,612 --> 01:31:01,812
Speaker 22: need and shoot back, I can just keep carrying on

1862
01:31:01,973 --> 01:31:05,532
Speaker 22: with work and get it delivered. So, you know, because

1863
01:31:05,612 --> 01:31:09,492
Speaker 22: time is money. So it's like this is going to

1864
01:31:09,532 --> 01:31:11,372
Speaker 22: be a bit of a game changer for a lot.

1865
01:31:11,293 --> 01:31:14,053
Speaker 2: Of tradees, right, Yeah, from a professional perspective, because it

1866
01:31:14,093 --> 01:31:15,612
Speaker 2: could be even more than that by the time you've

1867
01:31:15,692 --> 01:31:17,972
Speaker 2: gone and got something and come back that you could

1868
01:31:18,013 --> 01:31:20,293
Speaker 2: lose easily lose two hours, especially in awkward.

1869
01:31:21,372 --> 01:31:23,572
Speaker 22: Yeah. Well, you know you've got millage, you've got guess,

1870
01:31:23,652 --> 01:31:26,932
Speaker 22: you've got ye. So so you could actually be doing

1871
01:31:27,013 --> 01:31:30,133
Speaker 22: something kills and just have it delivered. And you know,

1872
01:31:30,173 --> 01:31:33,132
Speaker 22: if you're doing it on over each it's text deductible anyway,

1873
01:31:33,213 --> 01:31:36,852
Speaker 22: the delivery fees, so it's it's not really costing anything.

1874
01:31:37,452 --> 01:31:39,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So this is a bit different than my

1875
01:31:39,532 --> 01:31:42,933
Speaker 2: perspective as a dio y guy that actually loves the

1876
01:31:43,013 --> 01:31:47,293
Speaker 2: two hour detour and the wandering aimlessly around a hardware

1877
01:31:47,732 --> 01:31:50,452
Speaker 2: store and procrastinating from doing the work. You're coming from

1878
01:31:50,492 --> 01:31:52,612
Speaker 2: perspective from someone that actually wants to get something done.

1879
01:31:54,053 --> 01:31:56,412
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, Well, you know, like if I if I'm

1880
01:31:56,732 --> 01:31:58,812
Speaker 22: checking the house up now, I could be doing something

1881
01:31:58,853 --> 01:32:02,612
Speaker 22: gills while I'm waiting for that, you know, that a

1882
01:32:02,652 --> 01:32:04,772
Speaker 22: lot of screws or that squee drive or whatever to

1883
01:32:04,812 --> 01:32:08,492
Speaker 22: tune up. I could be off doing another job on

1884
01:32:08,612 --> 01:32:12,253
Speaker 22: the same side instead of spinning on the hour to

1885
01:32:12,253 --> 01:32:14,372
Speaker 22: go in the Bunnings because I've forgot and de grieve something.

1886
01:32:14,973 --> 01:32:17,213
Speaker 2: Essentially, whenever I have anyone working on my house and

1887
01:32:17,333 --> 01:32:19,973
Speaker 2: we're renovating at the moment, there always seems that. But

1888
01:32:20,053 --> 01:32:22,572
Speaker 2: in the morning where I meet up and we talk

1889
01:32:22,612 --> 01:32:24,812
Speaker 2: through what's happened today, and then they go off to

1890
01:32:24,893 --> 01:32:27,932
Speaker 2: a hardware store just after that, and then like after work,

1891
01:32:27,933 --> 01:32:29,652
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how long it is until they come back.

1892
01:32:30,492 --> 01:32:32,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, you make a good point, mate, Thanks very

1893
01:32:33,013 --> 01:32:34,492
Speaker 3: much for giving us a buzz. Oh eight one hundred

1894
01:32:34,492 --> 01:32:36,972
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call Bunnings?

1895
01:32:37,372 --> 01:32:40,293
Speaker 3: Are using uber eats? Is that peak laziness? Or are

1896
01:32:40,333 --> 01:32:41,812
Speaker 3: you like Ben? If you're a trader? Is this a

1897
01:32:41,893 --> 01:32:43,932
Speaker 3: game changer? Love to hear from you. Nine to ninety

1898
01:32:43,933 --> 01:32:47,293
Speaker 3: two is the text. It is twenty five past three, guys.

1899
01:32:47,333 --> 01:32:49,772
Speaker 2: I asked chet GPT for some options for a long

1900
01:32:49,893 --> 01:32:52,932
Speaker 2: weekend traveling from Napier by plane. It suggested I fly

1901
01:32:53,053 --> 01:32:56,572
Speaker 2: Origin Ear to Toto on it. This flight hasn't existed

1902
01:32:56,612 --> 01:32:58,652
Speaker 2: for years. I pointed out that route does not exist

1903
01:32:58,732 --> 01:32:59,932
Speaker 2: and thank me for my information.

1904
01:33:00,452 --> 01:33:03,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like AI spot.

1905
01:33:02,772 --> 01:33:04,452
Speaker 2: On, So you don't want that guy running your air

1906
01:33:04,492 --> 01:33:05,092
Speaker 2: traffic control.

1907
01:33:05,333 --> 01:33:12,772
Speaker 1: Twenty six past three, Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons call

1908
01:33:12,933 --> 01:33:15,213
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on news Talk

1909
01:33:15,293 --> 01:33:15,612
Speaker 1: z B.

1910
01:33:15,853 --> 01:33:18,133
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. It's twenty eight pass three.

1911
01:33:18,652 --> 01:33:22,012
Speaker 2: This text some support for me here and my crusade

1912
01:33:22,053 --> 01:33:24,372
Speaker 2: for woman. Okay, good on you, Matt for pointing out

1913
01:33:24,372 --> 01:33:25,933
Speaker 2: what a sexist peg Taylor is.

1914
01:33:27,372 --> 01:33:30,213
Speaker 3: Taylor, that's a double hurt. That's a double whamy. That

1915
01:33:30,333 --> 01:33:32,333
Speaker 3: is sold on the word woman garden.

1916
01:33:32,732 --> 01:33:34,852
Speaker 2: Women have lots of reasons to go to hardware stores.

1917
01:33:34,893 --> 01:33:38,093
Speaker 2: It's but sex This woman did more than just Gardenerson

1918
01:33:38,173 --> 01:33:41,852
Speaker 2: accusing Taylor here of being sexest suggesting that women would

1919
01:33:41,853 --> 01:33:45,213
Speaker 2: only go to a hardwards store to get gardening stuff.

1920
01:33:46,013 --> 01:33:47,932
Speaker 2: And if you're suggesting, says this text of that woman

1921
01:33:47,973 --> 01:33:49,253
Speaker 2: are too lazy, will you.

1922
01:33:49,772 --> 01:33:52,973
Speaker 3: No, I did not call woman lazy. How dare you

1923
01:33:53,652 --> 01:33:55,333
Speaker 3: insinuate I called woman lazy?

1924
01:33:55,532 --> 01:33:57,652
Speaker 2: Well, if you are suggesting that women are lazy, too

1925
01:33:57,772 --> 01:33:59,812
Speaker 2: lazy to go to a hardwa store, who does all

1926
01:33:59,893 --> 01:34:00,932
Speaker 2: the shopping and houses?

1927
01:34:01,692 --> 01:34:04,253
Speaker 3: Oh that's sexist. Hey, hang on a minute.

1928
01:34:04,372 --> 01:34:06,053
Speaker 2: When when was the last time you saw a man

1929
01:34:06,173 --> 01:34:10,013
Speaker 2: doing the supermarket shopping? Hate that I think this, this

1930
01:34:10,173 --> 01:34:12,972
Speaker 2: accusation of sexism is veered off into its own sexism.

1931
01:34:13,093 --> 01:34:14,492
Speaker 3: Reverse sexism going on here.

1932
01:34:14,893 --> 01:34:17,333
Speaker 2: This is fair enough, though, maybe Taylor, think before you

1933
01:34:17,452 --> 01:34:18,612
Speaker 2: speak sexist.

1934
01:34:20,013 --> 01:34:22,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see the last point. I mean I should,

1935
01:34:22,253 --> 01:34:23,333
Speaker 3: I should think before I speak.

1936
01:34:23,412 --> 01:34:24,812
Speaker 2: When was the last time you saw a man doing

1937
01:34:24,853 --> 01:34:26,732
Speaker 2: the shop? Anytime you go into a supermarket?

1938
01:34:26,893 --> 01:34:29,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, I did the shopping yesterday. It's lovely.

1939
01:34:29,732 --> 01:34:31,893
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. No I didn't, actually, I mean I

1940
01:34:31,973 --> 01:34:33,692
Speaker 3: turned up to the supermarket. It was ready for me

1941
01:34:33,732 --> 01:34:34,732
Speaker 3: because it's click and collecked.

1942
01:34:34,853 --> 01:34:37,333
Speaker 2: This is a cell phone of a cell phone from

1943
01:34:37,372 --> 01:34:41,213
Speaker 2: this text. They tried to shame you think sexist, and

1944
01:34:41,293 --> 01:34:45,052
Speaker 2: then when a full three eighty and became sexist themselves

1945
01:34:45,253 --> 01:34:46,173
Speaker 2: three sixty.

1946
01:34:46,053 --> 01:34:48,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, some sexist inception, yeah.

1947
01:34:48,612 --> 01:34:51,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was six There was sexism inception.

1948
01:34:52,133 --> 01:34:53,732
Speaker 2: So I think you're off the hook. Taylor.

1949
01:34:54,213 --> 01:34:56,732
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and thank you to that texture

1950
01:34:56,772 --> 01:35:00,412
Speaker 3: and everybody as who text and phoned, enjoyed that. And

1951
01:35:00,412 --> 01:35:02,572
Speaker 3: we'll see how it goes with old Bunnings and uber eats.

1952
01:35:02,612 --> 01:35:04,412
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it will be somewhat popular with

1953
01:35:04,492 --> 01:35:07,133
Speaker 3: the trades, but let's see how it rolls out and

1954
01:35:07,213 --> 01:35:09,452
Speaker 3: to the people saying, what about ten We mentioned before

1955
01:35:09,532 --> 01:35:11,532
Speaker 3: love might attend yawl might at ten? Get into it?

1956
01:35:11,772 --> 01:35:14,692
Speaker 2: Hey, boys, Carters and tear Uppa Hamilton use Uber to

1957
01:35:14,732 --> 01:35:17,013
Speaker 2: deliver boxes of nails, bolts and fittings. I think they

1958
01:35:17,093 --> 01:35:19,532
Speaker 2: have a limit of twenty carters. They say it's cheaper

1959
01:35:19,532 --> 01:35:21,932
Speaker 2: than sending out the drivening guy. So there are carters. Yep,

1960
01:35:22,053 --> 01:35:24,333
Speaker 2: here we go talking about bluddy Bunning's being ahead of

1961
01:35:24,372 --> 01:35:26,892
Speaker 2: the curve. Carters have been doing it in Hamilton for years.

1962
01:35:27,053 --> 01:35:30,293
Speaker 3: Shout out to Carter's backbones, right, thank you very much.

1963
01:35:30,372 --> 01:35:32,253
Speaker 3: Coming up after the headlines, we won't ever chat about this.

1964
01:35:32,333 --> 01:35:34,892
Speaker 3: A bride and groom a copping flak online for requesting

1965
01:35:34,933 --> 01:35:37,612
Speaker 3: their wedding guests pay for their own reception meal. So

1966
01:35:37,652 --> 01:35:39,812
Speaker 3: it was in the invite they were asked to fork

1967
01:35:39,853 --> 01:35:42,772
Speaker 3: out the guest that is, seventy five bucks to attend

1968
01:35:42,812 --> 01:35:47,013
Speaker 3: the celebration, and it said it was to So here

1969
01:35:47,093 --> 01:35:49,213
Speaker 3: here's the wedding. Guests are kindly asked to pay seventy

1970
01:35:49,213 --> 01:35:51,652
Speaker 3: five bucks per person for their meal at the reception

1971
01:35:51,893 --> 01:35:54,933
Speaker 3: to help us offset the enormous costs that we are

1972
01:35:54,973 --> 01:35:55,892
Speaker 3: facing for this wedding.

1973
01:35:57,652 --> 01:35:59,612
Speaker 2: That's fair enough, isn't it? As long as you're not

1974
01:35:59,692 --> 01:36:00,772
Speaker 2: expected to go to the wedding.

1975
01:36:01,412 --> 01:36:03,692
Speaker 3: I've got some sympathy for us. I mean it's got

1976
01:36:03,732 --> 01:36:08,253
Speaker 3: a lot of backlash online saying it's atrocious, trashy, gross.

1977
01:36:08,372 --> 01:36:11,333
Speaker 2: Yes, but I don't know what should you pay for

1978
01:36:11,492 --> 01:36:15,412
Speaker 2: other people's food? And I mean you do that? I

1979
01:36:15,492 --> 01:36:19,892
Speaker 2: don't know about that? Like so no, I reckon, I reckon.

1980
01:36:20,133 --> 01:36:22,253
Speaker 2: That's fair enough. Right if you want, you don't have

1981
01:36:22,372 --> 01:36:24,213
Speaker 2: to go to the wedding. You're invited to the wedding.

1982
01:36:24,293 --> 01:36:26,572
Speaker 2: You say, this is the wedding and you're gonna have

1983
01:36:26,612 --> 01:36:28,932
Speaker 2: to pay for dinner. Come if you want, If you don't,

1984
01:36:28,973 --> 01:36:29,412
Speaker 2: who cares?

1985
01:36:29,612 --> 01:36:31,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, keen on your thoughts on this one. I one

1986
01:36:31,452 --> 01:36:34,452
Speaker 3: hundred eight. Is it okay to ask you guests at

1987
01:36:34,532 --> 01:36:38,133
Speaker 3: your wedding to pay for their meal to help offset cost?

1988
01:36:38,253 --> 01:36:40,932
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text headlines with Raylene

1989
01:36:40,973 --> 01:36:41,333
Speaker 3: coming up?

1990
01:36:42,853 --> 01:36:45,053
Speaker 4: You've talked said be headlines with.

1991
01:36:45,213 --> 01:36:48,892
Speaker 14: Your Ride, New Zealand's number one taxi app. Download your

1992
01:36:49,053 --> 01:36:52,732
Speaker 14: Ride today. The Prime Minister says he's pushing for stronger

1993
01:36:52,893 --> 01:36:57,412
Speaker 14: cybersecurity laws. With fears and other medical platforms been hacked

1994
01:36:57,853 --> 01:37:01,293
Speaker 14: and nurses told stuff names and data appear changed and

1995
01:37:01,452 --> 01:37:06,292
Speaker 14: medimp a platform particularly used in aged care, disability, hospice

1996
01:37:06,333 --> 01:37:10,093
Speaker 14: and community health. Christ jurge woman Nicola Flint has been

1997
01:37:10,173 --> 01:37:14,172
Speaker 14: arrested in Wales, living under a false name. She's accused

1998
01:37:14,253 --> 01:37:17,732
Speaker 14: of faking terminal cancer for years and stealing from christ

1999
01:37:17,812 --> 01:37:21,852
Speaker 14: Church Football Club. Two new measles cases have been confirmed

2000
01:37:21,893 --> 01:37:25,172
Speaker 14: in Auckland, with possible exposures on a flight from Singapore

2001
01:37:25,213 --> 01:37:28,812
Speaker 14: to Auckland last Tuesday and at the airport. Why Takety

2002
01:37:28,893 --> 01:37:31,892
Speaker 14: Hospital's ed waiting room is also a location of interest

2003
01:37:32,173 --> 01:37:36,452
Speaker 14: from Saturday morning. A lobby group for vapes claims they

2004
01:37:36,452 --> 01:37:39,852
Speaker 14: are clearly safer than cigarettes and it backs health end

2005
01:37:39,893 --> 01:37:43,093
Speaker 14: Z handing them out to smokers trying to quit. Its

2006
01:37:43,213 --> 01:37:46,333
Speaker 14: chair is a director of alt which has the five

2007
01:37:46,492 --> 01:37:50,932
Speaker 14: hundred thousand dollars vape contract with health end Z. Government

2008
01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:55,893
Speaker 14: considers indemnity against financial loss for new thermal electricity investments.

2009
01:37:56,253 --> 01:37:58,812
Speaker 14: You can see more at enzid Herald Premium. Now back

2010
01:37:58,853 --> 01:38:00,253
Speaker 14: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2011
01:38:00,452 --> 01:38:03,173
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raileen. It is twenty four to four.

2012
01:38:03,213 --> 01:38:05,373
Speaker 3: What have a chat about this? Writing groom at Coppingflak

2013
01:38:05,412 --> 01:38:08,013
Speaker 3: online for requesting their winning guests pay for their own

2014
01:38:08,053 --> 01:38:12,333
Speaker 3: receipttion meal. Social media uses slammed the couple, whose whereabouts

2015
01:38:12,372 --> 01:38:14,732
Speaker 3: were not disclosed in a Reddit discussion, but this was

2016
01:38:14,772 --> 01:38:16,772
Speaker 3: after a close friend to the newly weds revealed they

2017
01:38:16,772 --> 01:38:19,732
Speaker 3: were flabbergasted apparently to be asked to fork out seventy

2018
01:38:19,772 --> 01:38:23,013
Speaker 3: five bucks to attend the celebration. The wording in the

2019
01:38:23,093 --> 01:38:25,812
Speaker 3: invite was gets are kindly asked to pay seventy five

2020
01:38:25,853 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 3: dollars per person for their meal at the reception to

2021
01:38:28,933 --> 01:38:30,892
Speaker 3: offset the huge cost we are facing.

2022
01:38:31,652 --> 01:38:34,093
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, isn't it? Because I didn't expect people

2023
01:38:34,133 --> 01:38:37,532
Speaker 2: to be so angry about this. This Texas says absolutely

2024
01:38:37,612 --> 01:38:41,773
Speaker 2: disgusting charging people for dinner at weddings. It's your celebration.

2025
01:38:41,973 --> 01:38:44,493
Speaker 2: I would not go if I had to pay pathetics?

2026
01:38:44,652 --> 01:38:47,532
Speaker 2: Is this text? Another text says no, no, no, you

2027
01:38:47,652 --> 01:38:50,173
Speaker 2: missed the point of a wedding. It's an investment. The

2028
01:38:50,253 --> 01:38:53,213
Speaker 2: cost is part of the commitment. You have spent a lot.

2029
01:38:53,572 --> 01:38:56,173
Speaker 2: You better make it work. Check weddings never last? Is

2030
01:38:56,253 --> 01:38:58,852
Speaker 2: that true that cheap weddings never last? Is it because

2031
01:39:00,372 --> 01:39:05,013
Speaker 2: you spend so much money on the wedding that you

2032
01:39:05,213 --> 01:39:09,053
Speaker 2: are incentivized to make it work after that. So say,

2033
01:39:09,093 --> 01:39:11,492
Speaker 2: if you spend fifty thousand dollars in a wedding and

2034
01:39:11,973 --> 01:39:14,412
Speaker 2: nine months later you're looking to break up, You like,

2035
01:39:14,492 --> 01:39:15,892
Speaker 2: we spent fifty thousand dollars.

2036
01:39:15,973 --> 01:39:17,133
Speaker 3: For a hell of a lot of debt for this

2037
01:39:17,173 --> 01:39:19,253
Speaker 3: bloody wedding. We're going to stretch it out to at

2038
01:39:19,372 --> 01:39:21,012
Speaker 3: least two two and a half years.

2039
01:39:20,893 --> 01:39:23,452
Speaker 2: And fifty thousands of cheap wedding, isn't it anyway? So

2040
01:39:23,572 --> 01:39:25,253
Speaker 2: she just spend how much is a wedding?

2041
01:39:25,772 --> 01:39:28,253
Speaker 3: Oh well, as someone that is planning a wedding as

2042
01:39:28,293 --> 01:39:30,852
Speaker 3: we speak, I can tell you. I mean it makes

2043
01:39:30,933 --> 01:39:33,173
Speaker 3: my eyes water how much how expensive it could be.

2044
01:39:33,853 --> 01:39:36,333
Speaker 3: And you know, we're putting together the guest list, we're

2045
01:39:36,412 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 3: looking at venues, we're looking how much booze is going

2046
01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:42,372
Speaker 3: to cost, and it retches it up so fast. I mean,

2047
01:39:42,412 --> 01:39:44,572
Speaker 3: this is I think the cost of the wedding. I'm

2048
01:39:44,612 --> 01:39:46,173
Speaker 3: just going to say it right now. A lot of

2049
01:39:46,253 --> 01:39:50,333
Speaker 3: it's just a scam. They they pray on a moment

2050
01:39:50,412 --> 01:39:52,772
Speaker 3: in your life that is all well about love and

2051
01:39:52,893 --> 01:39:56,693
Speaker 3: commitments and meeting the perfect person, having a great party.

2052
01:39:56,572 --> 01:39:58,933
Speaker 2: Making it, making it the perfect day exactly.

2053
01:39:59,133 --> 01:40:02,612
Speaker 3: They prey on that and then you know, originally we

2054
01:40:02,732 --> 01:40:06,933
Speaker 3: were looking at about thirty Yeah, thirty K. I'm not

2055
01:40:07,053 --> 01:40:09,053
Speaker 3: too happy about that, but you ca if you want

2056
01:40:09,093 --> 01:40:13,412
Speaker 3: a proper big day party and the guest list. Don't

2057
01:40:13,412 --> 01:40:15,133
Speaker 3: even get me started on the guest list, because I

2058
01:40:15,213 --> 01:40:17,452
Speaker 3: wanted about one hundred people, but instantly as we started

2059
01:40:17,452 --> 01:40:19,412
Speaker 3: to put names down that reaches it up to one

2060
01:40:19,492 --> 01:40:21,852
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. You'll be happy to know you're on

2061
01:40:21,893 --> 01:40:22,372
Speaker 3: their mat.

2062
01:40:22,253 --> 01:40:23,772
Speaker 2: I really, whereaboutswear them the listener?

2063
01:40:24,532 --> 01:40:27,652
Speaker 3: You were one twenty three I think, and we still

2064
01:40:27,692 --> 01:40:28,772
Speaker 3: deciding if you get a plus one.

2065
01:40:30,412 --> 01:40:32,372
Speaker 2: Hi, guys, I was invited to a user pays wedding

2066
01:40:32,412 --> 01:40:34,732
Speaker 2: years ago. I went because of who it was. However,

2067
01:40:34,853 --> 01:40:37,253
Speaker 2: my feeling was and still is, its socially unaware of

2068
01:40:37,333 --> 01:40:39,572
Speaker 2: people can't afford a big winning trimmt so they can

2069
01:40:39,732 --> 01:40:41,652
Speaker 2: cheers Tony. Yeah, that's so that I can kind of

2070
01:40:41,692 --> 01:40:44,492
Speaker 2: get Tony's point there. So if you're charging someone seventy

2071
01:40:44,532 --> 01:40:47,892
Speaker 2: five bucks for the meal, you want to have all

2072
01:40:48,093 --> 01:40:51,412
Speaker 2: the pomp and ceremony and the big wedding and being

2073
01:40:51,452 --> 01:40:53,973
Speaker 2: the center of a tensure and the big you know,

2074
01:40:54,173 --> 01:40:57,732
Speaker 2: big moment, yeap, the big celebration, but you don't want

2075
01:40:57,732 --> 01:40:58,133
Speaker 2: to pay for it.

2076
01:40:59,133 --> 01:41:01,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kirsey, what's your thoughts on this?

2077
01:41:03,452 --> 01:41:06,892
Speaker 15: Well, I think that if you're going to pay seventy

2078
01:41:06,933 --> 01:41:09,892
Speaker 15: five dollars to go to the wedding, you don't take

2079
01:41:09,973 --> 01:41:10,372
Speaker 15: a gift.

2080
01:41:11,853 --> 01:41:12,053
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2081
01:41:12,213 --> 01:41:13,973
Speaker 3: I think that's a great point, because it's usually a

2082
01:41:14,013 --> 01:41:15,532
Speaker 3: monetary gift that you'd give.

2083
01:41:15,652 --> 01:41:15,772
Speaker 17: Right.

2084
01:41:16,732 --> 01:41:18,892
Speaker 15: Well, yeah, I mean I've always thought that if you're

2085
01:41:18,893 --> 01:41:20,852
Speaker 15: going to go to a wedding, you sort of you

2086
01:41:20,933 --> 01:41:22,612
Speaker 15: sort of look at the fact, Okay, well, if it's

2087
01:41:22,652 --> 01:41:24,732
Speaker 15: a close friend, you spend X and if you know

2088
01:41:25,572 --> 01:41:28,732
Speaker 15: a closer friend, you spend a little bit more. But

2089
01:41:29,333 --> 01:41:32,492
Speaker 15: I think that if you're going to go to a

2090
01:41:32,572 --> 01:41:35,612
Speaker 15: wedding where you're paying for that, I mean you kind

2091
01:41:35,612 --> 01:41:37,732
Speaker 15: of go, okay, well the meal's probably going to be

2092
01:41:37,772 --> 01:41:40,732
Speaker 15: about seventy five dollars, so I'll spend about seventy five dollars.

2093
01:41:41,013 --> 01:41:43,213
Speaker 15: That's kind of always factored in my head.

2094
01:41:44,293 --> 01:41:46,452
Speaker 2: Wow, do you have drinks in there?

2095
01:41:49,492 --> 01:41:52,492
Speaker 15: Well? I kind of sort of think like that last

2096
01:41:52,812 --> 01:41:56,293
Speaker 15: person that wrote in said, if you can't afford a wedding,

2097
01:41:56,692 --> 01:41:57,053
Speaker 15: trim it.

2098
01:41:57,532 --> 01:42:00,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've flipped on this now now I think

2099
01:42:00,812 --> 01:42:01,133
Speaker 2: about it.

2100
01:42:01,293 --> 01:42:04,372
Speaker 3: But there is the counters to that, Kirstie is, I mean,

2101
01:42:04,372 --> 01:42:06,532
Speaker 3: should I say this on air? We're not really thinking

2102
01:42:06,532 --> 01:42:09,412
Speaker 3: of a loping, but the thought crossed my mind. But instantly,

2103
01:42:09,532 --> 01:42:11,612
Speaker 3: the thought of a lope in and just having a

2104
01:42:11,732 --> 01:42:15,412
Speaker 3: real core group of family members, that's going to upset

2105
01:42:15,652 --> 01:42:18,212
Speaker 3: a lot of people who we can't get in that scenario.

2106
01:42:18,412 --> 01:42:20,093
Speaker 3: So it's almost like a lose lose. Either you go

2107
01:42:20,253 --> 01:42:22,293
Speaker 3: all out and you invite two hundred people, or you

2108
01:42:22,412 --> 01:42:24,293
Speaker 3: go real small because you can't afford it and you

2109
01:42:24,452 --> 01:42:27,013
Speaker 3: upset people. Either way. I feel like, I mean, this

2110
01:42:27,093 --> 01:42:28,612
Speaker 3: is meant to be my wedding day and already I'm

2111
01:42:28,612 --> 01:42:30,692
Speaker 3: stressed to the maxine, But I'm gonna see everybody.

2112
01:42:30,812 --> 01:42:33,812
Speaker 15: I tell you, there is nothing more stressful than a wedding.

2113
01:42:34,213 --> 01:42:38,852
Speaker 15: We had a maximum of seventy four people at our venue,

2114
01:42:39,053 --> 01:42:41,492
Speaker 15: like we couldn't go any more than that, and that

2115
01:42:41,933 --> 01:42:49,852
Speaker 15: was tough. You know, you just sort of there are

2116
01:42:50,173 --> 01:42:52,692
Speaker 15: few noses pulled out of joint in that case.

2117
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:56,532
Speaker 2: That's the hardest part, right deciding who isn't quite there,

2118
01:42:57,372 --> 01:42:59,852
Speaker 2: And then there's family members that get a free pass

2119
01:43:00,093 --> 01:43:02,772
Speaker 2: that have to be there, and you're sort of wider family.

2120
01:43:04,093 --> 01:43:05,133
Speaker 4: When did you last see them.

2121
01:43:05,452 --> 01:43:07,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, how far do you go down the cousin list?

2122
01:43:07,893 --> 01:43:10,812
Speaker 3: You know, that's a considerations like oh cheep, as I

2123
01:43:10,812 --> 01:43:12,213
Speaker 3: haven't seen them in about twenty years.

2124
01:43:12,253 --> 01:43:14,972
Speaker 2: But how how much does the currency does a cousin

2125
01:43:15,013 --> 01:43:18,973
Speaker 2: get over a friend because they're blood? Do they get this?

2126
01:43:19,572 --> 01:43:21,412
Speaker 2: What fifty percent more likely to get invited?

2127
01:43:21,452 --> 01:43:21,532
Speaker 12: Oh?

2128
01:43:21,652 --> 01:43:23,532
Speaker 3: No, fred friend over the cousin. I mean it depends

2129
01:43:23,572 --> 01:43:24,932
Speaker 3: on how close you are with the cousin. But if

2130
01:43:24,933 --> 01:43:25,572
Speaker 3: you haven't seen them for.

2131
01:43:25,612 --> 01:43:28,532
Speaker 2: What if you're marrying your cousin, she has to come.

2132
01:43:29,692 --> 01:43:33,572
Speaker 23: Oh you guys, right, thank you very much.

2133
01:43:34,612 --> 01:43:37,412
Speaker 3: Oh Matt, I love you mate. Two is the text

2134
01:43:37,572 --> 01:43:39,612
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Is it okay

2135
01:43:39,692 --> 01:43:41,852
Speaker 3: to ask your winning guests to pay for their dinner?

2136
01:43:42,093 --> 01:43:44,933
Speaker 3: It is nineteen to four to have a chat with.

2137
01:43:45,093 --> 01:43:47,692
Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2138
01:43:47,812 --> 01:43:51,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyner Adams afternoons with Skoda, Can you

2139
01:43:51,173 --> 01:43:53,572
Speaker 1: crank the scoder code us dogs'd.

2140
01:43:53,173 --> 01:43:56,133
Speaker 3: Be sixty to four having a great discussion about something

2141
01:43:56,173 --> 01:43:58,293
Speaker 3: that is blown up online. It's a bride and groom.

2142
01:43:58,333 --> 01:44:00,412
Speaker 3: They ask the guest to pay seventy five bucks for

2143
01:44:00,532 --> 01:44:02,572
Speaker 3: their dinner and it's absolutely exploded.

2144
01:44:02,652 --> 01:44:04,133
Speaker 2: If you pay for the winning, can you complain and

2145
01:44:04,173 --> 01:44:05,772
Speaker 2: get your money back if it's not a good time.

2146
01:44:06,173 --> 01:44:08,173
Speaker 2: See that's a good question, isn't it. Because if someone's

2147
01:44:08,213 --> 01:44:10,412
Speaker 2: pay seventy five dollars for the meal for the wedding,

2148
01:44:10,412 --> 01:44:12,173
Speaker 2: because the wedding is not like a concert, you're not

2149
01:44:12,253 --> 01:44:15,173
Speaker 2: going for your own entertainment. You're going to honor someone else, right, yes,

2150
01:44:15,652 --> 01:44:18,612
Speaker 2: So if you go, do you expect a minimum level

2151
01:44:18,652 --> 01:44:20,892
Speaker 2: of entertainment? I mean, are you're not going to sit

2152
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Speaker 2: through a boring speech?

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Speaker 9: Are you?

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01:44:22,213 --> 01:44:22,253
Speaker 19: No?

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Speaker 2: So you just stand up and say you start heckling,

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01:44:25,933 --> 01:44:28,572
Speaker 2: Rap it up. The bridesmaid's going on too long?

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01:44:29,213 --> 01:44:29,772
Speaker 13: Wrap it up?

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Speaker 2: Mark marck, Hi, how are you matey?

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Speaker 17: So when my wife, my wife Katie and I got

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Speaker 17: married in nineteen ninety seven, we said to everyone, we

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01:44:42,732 --> 01:44:45,013
Speaker 17: want you to pay fifty bucks ahead to come to

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01:44:45,093 --> 01:44:49,333
Speaker 17: the wedding, but you don't have to bring a present, right,

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01:44:49,853 --> 01:44:53,253
Speaker 17: no presence, just fifty dollars ahead because we want to

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01:44:53,253 --> 01:44:54,772
Speaker 17: spend all the money on our honeymoon.

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Speaker 2: So you made a profit from the wedding, did you No?

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01:44:57,772 --> 01:45:00,293
Speaker 17: We didn't make a profit. It's no constants more open

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01:45:00,333 --> 01:45:00,652
Speaker 17: above that.

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01:45:00,893 --> 01:45:02,172
Speaker 3: I should have gone seventy five.

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01:45:05,532 --> 01:45:07,652
Speaker 17: Enabled us also to have a lot more people at

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01:45:07,692 --> 01:45:14,253
Speaker 17: the wedding. Yes, yeah, we've pad for everything and just

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01:45:14,372 --> 01:45:16,652
Speaker 17: gotten present. Then we would have only had been able

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01:45:16,652 --> 01:45:17,652
Speaker 17: to have half that number.

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01:45:17,853 --> 01:45:23,213
Speaker 28: And so twenty nine years later, I believe marks thy

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01:45:23,253 --> 01:45:28,173
Speaker 28: years congratulations, how good because people were saying that, yeah,

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01:45:28,492 --> 01:45:30,732
Speaker 28: and so that sort of puts pay to the idea

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01:45:30,973 --> 01:45:34,932
Speaker 28: that a massive financial investment from the bride and groom

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01:45:35,213 --> 01:45:37,772
Speaker 28: doesn't if you know, like if you don't put a

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01:45:37,812 --> 01:45:40,013
Speaker 28: lot of money and then the marriage doesn't last. There's

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01:45:40,013 --> 01:45:41,572
Speaker 28: a lot of people texting through because there you go,

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01:45:41,652 --> 01:45:43,932
Speaker 28: you charge fifty bucks and you're still going strong thirty

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01:45:43,973 --> 01:45:44,372
Speaker 28: years later.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you're just going to keep on working

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01:45:47,652 --> 01:45:50,532
Speaker 17: on it, and you know, be committed, be committed to

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Speaker 17: making it work.

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01:45:51,973 --> 01:45:53,133
Speaker 9: That's the hardest good.

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01:45:53,412 --> 01:45:54,572
Speaker 2: Good on your mark. I appreciate it.

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01:45:54,572 --> 01:45:56,692
Speaker 3: Thanks you call fifty bucks of pop scenes reasonable.

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01:45:56,772 --> 01:45:59,572
Speaker 2: I like the idea of charging five hundred of pop

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01:45:59,612 --> 01:46:02,572
Speaker 2: and making a profit from the wedding pocketing just.

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Speaker 3: Doing it is your big day, say this is this

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01:46:04,532 --> 01:46:06,013
Speaker 3: is how we're going to set ourselves up. This is

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01:46:06,053 --> 01:46:06,572
Speaker 3: our future.

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01:46:07,333 --> 01:46:09,132
Speaker 2: When we said big day, we meant big payday.

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01:46:11,133 --> 01:46:12,652
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty to eighty is an abu

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01:46:12,692 --> 01:46:13,372
Speaker 3: to call get a Peter.

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01:46:14,893 --> 01:46:18,452
Speaker 25: Hey, guys, I paid for a dinner for a wedding once,

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01:46:19,013 --> 01:46:24,412
Speaker 25: but the alcohol was free, so I kind of offset it,

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01:46:24,492 --> 01:46:27,333
Speaker 25: which was kind of good. Actually, I didn't worry me

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01:46:27,492 --> 01:46:31,412
Speaker 25: one bit. Still brought the gift. And when it came

2200
01:46:31,532 --> 01:46:36,372
Speaker 25: to myself getting married, we had one hundred one hundred

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01:46:36,412 --> 01:46:38,133
Speaker 25: and twenty plus and we were going to do a

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01:46:38,853 --> 01:46:41,772
Speaker 25: sit down meal and that was put on the table

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01:46:41,893 --> 01:46:45,692
Speaker 25: to everyone paid for their but we decided that the

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01:46:45,812 --> 01:46:49,412
Speaker 25: cast was a lot easier just to have finger food

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01:46:49,492 --> 01:46:50,093
Speaker 25: all night long.

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01:46:50,532 --> 01:46:52,133
Speaker 19: And after the.

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01:46:52,213 --> 01:46:55,053
Speaker 25: Caterers knocked off at ten, the Aunties went in and

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01:46:55,612 --> 01:46:59,492
Speaker 25: hit up the headed up the cheerios andros.

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Speaker 4: And was perfect.

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01:47:01,572 --> 01:47:04,333
Speaker 3: That I like the idea of. But saying, you know,

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01:47:04,492 --> 01:47:06,732
Speaker 3: you you charge hundred fifty bucks, but it's all you

2212
01:47:06,812 --> 01:47:09,452
Speaker 3: can drink and go hard. Is they open it up

2213
01:47:09,532 --> 01:47:11,732
Speaker 3: for some loose behavior that you know, people are thinking,

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01:47:11,732 --> 01:47:13,612
Speaker 3: I'm going to recover my costs here, I'm going to

2215
01:47:13,692 --> 01:47:14,812
Speaker 3: go hard at the bar.

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01:47:16,412 --> 01:47:20,013
Speaker 25: I think what people forget is most people that are

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01:47:20,053 --> 01:47:23,812
Speaker 25: invited to the wedding know the couple relatively well, unless

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01:47:23,853 --> 01:47:27,053
Speaker 25: you're a plus one, so you kind of know. If

2219
01:47:27,173 --> 01:47:30,932
Speaker 25: I'm not, Yeah, finding it hard to make ends meet.

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01:47:31,053 --> 01:47:33,893
Speaker 25: So I just don't see this an issue. It's like,

2221
01:47:34,093 --> 01:47:37,452
Speaker 25: if you want to celebrate their days, that's cool. When

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01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:40,053
Speaker 25: if you have to pay a little bit, and you

2223
01:47:40,133 --> 01:47:41,812
Speaker 25: know as long as you're only paying one that you

2224
01:47:41,893 --> 01:47:45,652
Speaker 25: are paying for drinks or in a cost drinks for

2225
01:47:45,692 --> 01:47:50,372
Speaker 25: free or vice versa. You know it's though you're invited

2226
01:47:50,452 --> 01:47:53,492
Speaker 25: for a reason. It's not because you're you're you know,

2227
01:47:54,933 --> 01:47:55,532
Speaker 25: the other guy.

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01:47:55,853 --> 01:47:57,572
Speaker 2: I think the plus ones are the problem. The plus

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01:47:57,612 --> 01:48:00,652
Speaker 2: ones at a wedding are the problem because your missus

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01:48:00,732 --> 01:48:03,892
Speaker 2: a friends. Your missus likes them so that she's they've

2231
01:48:03,893 --> 01:48:06,732
Speaker 2: already been vetted, but you've got no They will often

2232
01:48:06,812 --> 01:48:10,293
Speaker 2: will have an absolute dickhead boyfriend in there. They might

2233
01:48:10,333 --> 01:48:12,732
Speaker 2: have been dating for six months. They bring along and

2234
01:48:12,812 --> 01:48:15,132
Speaker 2: you put on pis and you're paying for that punishing

2235
01:48:15,173 --> 01:48:16,892
Speaker 2: you don't even care about. I want to talk to.

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01:48:18,372 --> 01:48:20,772
Speaker 25: My O winners. A plus one didn't even know the couple.

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01:48:24,253 --> 01:48:29,852
Speaker 25: What am I doing? I just myself the karaoke?

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01:48:30,133 --> 01:48:33,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's that's what happened. You had no choice.

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01:48:33,612 --> 01:48:34,293
Speaker 9: It was a good.

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Speaker 3: You cool Peter, Yeah, what a great call. One hundred

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01:48:38,652 --> 01:48:39,972
Speaker 3: and eighteen eighty sun Deep.

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01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:42,053
Speaker 18: How are you thank you?

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01:48:43,093 --> 01:48:43,253
Speaker 6: Now?

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01:48:43,293 --> 01:48:44,133
Speaker 3: How many people did you have?

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01:48:44,173 --> 01:48:44,213
Speaker 15: It?

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01:48:44,293 --> 01:48:44,612
Speaker 3: Your winning?

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01:48:46,293 --> 01:48:47,092
Speaker 5: All than people?

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01:48:47,333 --> 01:48:50,692
Speaker 2: Close to a thousand lee and you're paying for all

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01:48:50,732 --> 01:48:51,013
Speaker 2: of them?

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01:48:52,532 --> 01:48:54,213
Speaker 5: To pay for all of them? Man, it was like

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01:48:54,293 --> 01:48:56,133
Speaker 5: the big fight Indian wedding with what do you?

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01:48:58,293 --> 01:48:58,492
Speaker 1: Wow?

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01:48:58,572 --> 01:49:00,572
Speaker 2: Do you mind sharing? How much that winning costs?

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01:49:01,652 --> 01:49:01,812
Speaker 25: Oh?

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01:49:01,973 --> 01:49:03,932
Speaker 5: I was just caularting, but I was sitting in the car.

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01:49:04,013 --> 01:49:07,412
Speaker 5: It was roughly close to fifteen to twenty thousand New

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01:49:07,492 --> 01:49:09,772
Speaker 5: Zealand dollars. And this was eighteen years ago.

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01:49:10,532 --> 01:49:13,692
Speaker 3: Fifteen to twenty krepared for a thousand.

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01:49:13,933 --> 01:49:15,532
Speaker 2: So are you feeding all of them?

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01:49:16,732 --> 01:49:17,452
Speaker 9: Feeding all of them?

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01:49:17,572 --> 01:49:22,053
Speaker 5: The travel expenses? So the travel expenses was only for

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01:49:22,372 --> 01:49:25,213
Speaker 5: if I say, fifty to seventy guests, but then the

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01:49:25,253 --> 01:49:26,412
Speaker 5: rest of them were close by.

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01:49:26,492 --> 01:49:28,253
Speaker 7: So it's so what kind of people?

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01:49:28,452 --> 01:49:30,253
Speaker 2: What kind of venue you do you? What kind of

2266
01:49:30,293 --> 01:49:32,812
Speaker 2: venue do you put a thousand people? And to send it?

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01:49:34,093 --> 01:49:36,852
Speaker 5: It was just like a large open ground.

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01:49:37,133 --> 01:49:39,532
Speaker 2: If I say it's like a sports field or something.

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01:49:40,532 --> 01:49:42,893
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's similar to a sports field. It's just like

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01:49:42,973 --> 01:49:45,933
Speaker 5: a church promises, which was love enough to hold that

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01:49:46,053 --> 01:49:49,133
Speaker 5: many gifts, the management of just the management of the

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01:49:49,173 --> 01:49:49,772
Speaker 5: guest that was.

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01:49:52,093 --> 01:49:55,772
Speaker 2: Was this in New Zealand or was it over Yeah?

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01:49:55,933 --> 01:49:57,212
Speaker 2: You see that's why it's possible.

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01:49:57,652 --> 01:50:01,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you had to do that.

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01:50:03,853 --> 01:50:05,933
Speaker 5: I was just wondering what would happen if it was

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01:50:05,973 --> 01:50:06,572
Speaker 5: in New Zealand.

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01:50:07,532 --> 01:50:14,732
Speaker 2: I was explaining two and a half million dollars and

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01:50:15,572 --> 01:50:17,293
Speaker 2: eighteen years later, still going strong.

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01:50:18,253 --> 01:50:20,893
Speaker 5: Who are going strong? O?

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01:50:21,053 --> 01:50:21,892
Speaker 2: Cut on your Sunday?

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01:50:22,133 --> 01:50:23,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a great call. One thousand people?

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01:50:24,133 --> 01:50:26,852
Speaker 2: There you go, Tyler, Why don't just pump pump the

2284
01:50:26,933 --> 01:50:28,333
Speaker 2: numbers up? What are you saying? One hundred and thirty

2285
01:50:28,372 --> 01:50:28,692
Speaker 2: at yours?

2286
01:50:28,933 --> 01:50:33,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, prosessic ten and then you might be talking yeah,

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01:50:33,732 --> 01:50:34,852
Speaker 3: seeing deep, you're a brave man.

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01:50:34,853 --> 01:50:37,213
Speaker 2: It's not a real wedding until you crack a thousand guests.

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01:50:37,372 --> 01:50:40,092
Speaker 3: Yeah, Craig, we've got about sixty seconds.

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01:50:40,093 --> 01:50:42,372
Speaker 18: How are you mean, Oh, I'll be quickly.

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01:50:42,412 --> 01:50:44,532
Speaker 29: And I just heard you guys just driving along and

2292
01:50:44,652 --> 01:50:47,652
Speaker 29: heard you guys talking about joking about making money at

2293
01:50:47,692 --> 01:50:51,412
Speaker 29: a wedding. My wife's America, but originally from China, and

2294
01:50:51,612 --> 01:50:54,412
Speaker 29: in China they get red pockets for their at their wedding,

2295
01:50:54,532 --> 01:50:57,172
Speaker 29: and they do make money and never they don't get presents.

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01:50:57,333 --> 01:51:00,293
Speaker 29: They you know, and depending on who it is, like

2297
01:51:00,532 --> 01:51:03,013
Speaker 29: you know, you'll, you'll, you know you you.

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01:51:03,173 --> 01:51:05,812
Speaker 22: Make a reasonable amount of coin, invite a few people.

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01:51:05,973 --> 01:51:07,732
Speaker 4: Oh like that, it's very different.

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01:51:07,853 --> 01:51:08,973
Speaker 2: Let's bring tradition here.

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01:51:09,173 --> 01:51:11,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want some read envelopes at my wedding.

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01:51:11,772 --> 01:51:12,133
Speaker 9: I like that.

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01:51:12,133 --> 01:51:13,852
Speaker 2: That's kind like the start of the Godfather as well.

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01:51:13,853 --> 01:51:15,772
Speaker 2: They're making money at their wedding with the little envelopes.

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01:51:15,933 --> 01:51:18,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, great scene. Yeah, great idea. Thank you

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01:51:18,853 --> 01:51:21,173
Speaker 3: very much, Craigo, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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01:51:21,293 --> 01:51:24,293
Speaker 3: the number to call back very shortly. You're listening to

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01:51:24,333 --> 01:51:25,692
Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler nine to.

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Speaker 1: and everything in between.

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Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, Used TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is five to four. That is almost

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01:51:40,933 --> 01:51:43,173
Speaker 3: as for today. Great chat on the weddings. Thank you

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01:51:43,253 --> 01:51:46,212
Speaker 3: very much everyone. New text and called coming up after

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01:51:46,412 --> 01:51:49,732
Speaker 3: five o'clock with Heather Do please see Allen Drives. She's

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01:51:49,772 --> 01:51:52,532
Speaker 3: going to be talking to former National MP Dame Maryland Wearing,

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01:51:52,612 --> 01:51:54,932
Speaker 3: who founded the People Select Committee and to Pay Equity

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01:51:54,933 --> 01:51:57,972
Speaker 3: about their report that will be fascinating. But we will

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01:51:58,013 --> 01:52:01,492
Speaker 3: be back here live from twelve pm tomorrow. Look forward

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Speaker 3: to your company then.

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Speaker 2: Tyler, why am I playing this song from Kenny Loggins?

2322
01:52:06,053 --> 01:52:07,012
Speaker 2: Oh what a tune?

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01:52:07,532 --> 01:52:10,492
Speaker 3: Dangers owners, because we had the great chat about the

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01:52:10,572 --> 01:52:12,692
Speaker 3: ear traffic controllers and the dangers are they.

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Speaker 9: Going to deal with?

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01:52:13,492 --> 01:52:14,972
Speaker 2: No, it's because you're planning a wedding.

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01:52:15,532 --> 01:52:17,973
Speaker 3: I am deep in the danger zone right now. Absolutely

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01:52:18,093 --> 01:52:18,812
Speaker 3: great joys.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much for tuning in. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back tomorrow. I think you already said that, didn't you. Tyler.

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01:52:25,293 --> 01:52:27,932
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow live from twelve pm. Until then,

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01:52:28,013 --> 01:52:29,333
Speaker 2: give a taste a Kiwi from us.

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