1
00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine

2
00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:16,587
Speaker 1: from News talksad B. The only place for the big names,

3
00:00:16,867 --> 00:00:22,827
Speaker 1: the big issues, the big controversies and the big conversations.

4
00:00:23,027 --> 00:00:26,427
Speaker 1: It's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your

5
00:00:26,547 --> 00:00:28,747
Speaker 1: home of Sport News Talks EDB.

6
00:00:30,507 --> 00:00:34,067
Speaker 2: Hello, Kayota, good afternoon. Welcome in to the Saturday edition

7
00:00:34,107 --> 00:00:36,987
Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport on News Talks edd B. October twenty six,

8
00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:42,067
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Ken Rutherford, Happy birthday former All Blacks Karen Reid,

9
00:00:42,267 --> 00:00:46,867
Speaker 2: craigd Out and Aaron Penney. Today's also the late Andy

10
00:00:46,867 --> 00:00:51,427
Speaker 2: Hayden's birthday. I'm Jason Pinetree producer Anny McDonald as alongside.

11
00:00:51,467 --> 00:00:53,027
Speaker 2: We're here until three.

12
00:00:53,787 --> 00:00:54,267
Speaker 3: Are we.

13
00:00:56,467 --> 00:01:01,587
Speaker 2: Actually quite good at cricket again? Stumps Day two and

14
00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:04,867
Speaker 2: Pooney New Zealand one hundred and ninety eight for five

15
00:01:04,947 --> 00:01:07,427
Speaker 2: and their second innings. That's a lead of three hundred

16
00:01:07,507 --> 00:01:12,187
Speaker 2: and one over India, five wickets in hand, three days

17
00:01:12,187 --> 00:01:15,067
Speaker 2: to play on a spin friendly pitch on which they

18
00:01:15,107 --> 00:01:18,387
Speaker 2: have to bat last. We won the first Test. Remember

19
00:01:18,427 --> 00:01:23,067
Speaker 2: we have never won a Test series in India. Mitchell

20
00:01:23,107 --> 00:01:28,587
Speaker 2: Santner seven for fifty three the eighth equal best innings

21
00:01:28,627 --> 00:01:33,147
Speaker 2: bowling figures in New Zealand Test history, the second best

22
00:01:33,187 --> 00:01:36,347
Speaker 2: ever buy a New Zealander in India. Before this, Mitchell

23
00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:39,267
Speaker 2: Santner had never taken more than three wickets in an

24
00:01:39,267 --> 00:01:42,747
Speaker 2: innings in his previous sixty odd Test matches, had only

25
00:01:42,787 --> 00:01:46,347
Speaker 2: ever taken five in in innings once before in first

26
00:01:46,387 --> 00:01:50,747
Speaker 2: class cricket, let alone Test matches. Utterly remarkable. Going to

27
00:01:50,827 --> 00:01:53,587
Speaker 2: drill down into the cricket after two o'clock with Scotti Styris.

28
00:01:54,187 --> 00:01:57,507
Speaker 2: Tony Brown leads us off today. Former All Black now

29
00:01:57,587 --> 00:02:03,067
Speaker 2: Springboks assistant coach, widely credited with South Africa's improved attack

30
00:02:03,707 --> 00:02:07,187
Speaker 2: and more expensive approach this year form All Blacks number

31
00:02:07,187 --> 00:02:08,987
Speaker 2: eight Murri mixed it after one. Don't forget there's All

32
00:02:09,027 --> 00:02:13,267
Speaker 2: Blacks Test match tonight ten to seven Japan. We've got

33
00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:15,147
Speaker 2: a full commentary for you here on news Talk, said

34
00:02:15,187 --> 00:02:18,387
Speaker 2: b other metters around today. Rugby league doubleheader in christ

35
00:02:18,427 --> 00:02:23,507
Speaker 2: Church tomorrow Kiwi ferns the Jillarus, then Kiwi's against Kangaroos.

36
00:02:24,147 --> 00:02:27,867
Speaker 2: Joseph Tuppeny from the Kiwis is with us this afternoon

37
00:02:27,947 --> 00:02:31,947
Speaker 2: in PC final in the Capitol Wellington Lions Bay of

38
00:02:31,987 --> 00:02:34,427
Speaker 2: plenty five past three. We've got a commentary of that

39
00:02:34,507 --> 00:02:37,947
Speaker 2: game on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio. Our commentary team got

40
00:02:37,947 --> 00:02:40,747
Speaker 2: a preview for US Adam Peacock out of Australia around

41
00:02:40,747 --> 00:02:43,347
Speaker 2: one forty five, a heap of Live Sport. To keep

42
00:02:43,347 --> 00:02:46,987
Speaker 2: an eye on Baseball World Series Game one Dodgers Yankees

43
00:02:47,067 --> 00:02:50,667
Speaker 2: from around twelve thirty four. Trophy Cricket Round three action.

44
00:02:50,787 --> 00:02:52,627
Speaker 2: Now it's raining in christ Church, so they haven't got

45
00:02:52,707 --> 00:02:56,347
Speaker 2: underway there. Canterbury the Northern They did get underway at

46
00:02:56,387 --> 00:02:59,227
Speaker 2: the Basin Reserve, but there's a ground delay there, which

47
00:02:59,227 --> 00:03:01,827
Speaker 2: is odd because I can see the Basin Reserve from

48
00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,427
Speaker 2: here and it's not raining in Wellington. It has been,

49
00:03:04,427 --> 00:03:06,907
Speaker 2: but it's not at the moment anyway. Central nineteen for

50
00:03:06,987 --> 00:03:09,707
Speaker 2: one and the sixth over having been sent into bat.

51
00:03:09,987 --> 00:03:12,307
Speaker 2: So the only game that's been unencumbered is the one

52
00:03:12,387 --> 00:03:15,267
Speaker 2: in Mount Monganui where Otago and Auckland are going head

53
00:03:15,267 --> 00:03:18,587
Speaker 2: to hit. That's odd Otago, Auckland and Mount Monganui. I'm

54
00:03:18,587 --> 00:03:20,907
Speaker 2: not quite sure the reason for that anyway. Auckland on

55
00:03:20,987 --> 00:03:23,547
Speaker 2: the toss elected to bowl first, Otago and the twenty

56
00:03:23,587 --> 00:03:27,547
Speaker 2: fourth over one hundred and twenty for three round five

57
00:03:27,587 --> 00:03:29,827
Speaker 2: of the Women's National Football League and a bunch of

58
00:03:29,907 --> 00:03:33,307
Speaker 2: NBA games to keep tabs on as well. We extend

59
00:03:33,307 --> 00:03:36,347
Speaker 2: though an open invitation to you to join the show

60
00:03:36,787 --> 00:03:39,427
Speaker 2: if you would like to. Our numbers oh eight hundred

61
00:03:39,467 --> 00:03:42,547
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two for text

62
00:03:42,587 --> 00:03:46,427
Speaker 2: messages emails into Jason at newstalksb dot co dot MZ

63
00:03:46,627 --> 00:03:47,987
Speaker 2: coming up ten past mid day.

64
00:03:49,067 --> 00:03:52,667
Speaker 3: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every fails.

65
00:03:53,987 --> 00:03:58,947
Speaker 1: Weekend sport with Jason Lyme New Stork ZENB Tap Dog.

66
00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:01,347
Speaker 4: South Africa Side and I'll Pack It.

67
00:04:02,907 --> 00:04:06,227
Speaker 5: And South Africa Beat the or play.

68
00:04:08,667 --> 00:04:12,307
Speaker 2: One of New Zealand's top rugby coaches is currently behind

69
00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:17,267
Speaker 2: enemy lines. Former Highlanders, Sun Wolves and Japanese assistant coach

70
00:04:17,707 --> 00:04:21,267
Speaker 2: Tony Brown is now part of South Africa's coaching cohort

71
00:04:21,747 --> 00:04:25,107
Speaker 2: and in the Rugby Championship this year help mastermind a

72
00:04:25,227 --> 00:04:27,787
Speaker 2: thirty one to twenty seven win at Ellis Park and

73
00:04:27,827 --> 00:04:31,667
Speaker 2: an eighteen twelve victory in Cape Town, so two Test

74
00:04:31,707 --> 00:04:34,667
Speaker 2: match wins for South Africa over the All Blacks this year.

75
00:04:34,747 --> 00:04:38,187
Speaker 2: Tony Brown's back home for a bit before heading north

76
00:04:38,627 --> 00:04:41,587
Speaker 2: to rejoin the spring Box for their end of year tour,

77
00:04:41,627 --> 00:04:44,707
Speaker 2: which features test matches against Scotland, England and Wales. He

78
00:04:44,787 --> 00:04:46,827
Speaker 2: joins us now Tony thanks for taking the time for

79
00:04:46,827 --> 00:04:49,707
Speaker 2: a chat on weekend Sport. Let's take it back. How

80
00:04:49,707 --> 00:04:53,587
Speaker 2: did the contact and the role with South Africa all

81
00:04:53,587 --> 00:04:57,627
Speaker 2: come about? Firstly, year, pleasure to be here.

82
00:04:59,027 --> 00:05:03,187
Speaker 6: Yeah, Resci just gave me a ring during Cup because

83
00:05:03,187 --> 00:05:07,587
Speaker 6: he obviously had a couple of coaches leaving just to

84
00:05:07,747 --> 00:05:12,707
Speaker 6: gauge what I was doing the following year, and I

85
00:05:12,787 --> 00:05:17,627
Speaker 6: was obviously leaving Japan and needed a job, and lucky

86
00:05:17,747 --> 00:05:19,587
Speaker 6: enough picked up the South African job.

87
00:05:20,627 --> 00:05:23,147
Speaker 2: Well, it's a plumb job. Did it come out of

88
00:05:23,147 --> 00:05:26,427
Speaker 2: the blue at all? Or was it something that you targeted?

89
00:05:27,187 --> 00:05:29,427
Speaker 2: It feels like a massive job, So was it a

90
00:05:29,467 --> 00:05:30,427
Speaker 2: bit out of the blue or not?

91
00:05:31,987 --> 00:05:33,427
Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely blue.

92
00:05:33,987 --> 00:05:36,467
Speaker 6: I hadn't heard from USI since I played for him

93
00:05:36,467 --> 00:05:39,747
Speaker 6: in two thousand and eight, so to get the phone

94
00:05:39,747 --> 00:05:44,187
Speaker 6: call from him was a little bit bizarre, but it

95
00:05:44,307 --> 00:05:46,747
Speaker 6: got me thinking around what I wanted to do next,

96
00:05:46,787 --> 00:05:51,027
Speaker 6: and staying an international rugby was definitely my main goal

97
00:05:51,107 --> 00:05:55,347
Speaker 6: and I could potentially have gone back to Japan and

98
00:05:55,387 --> 00:05:58,107
Speaker 6: there was another team that was interested as well, so

99
00:06:00,187 --> 00:06:05,587
Speaker 6: lucky enough everything out and got the opportunity to coach.

100
00:06:07,307 --> 00:06:11,587
Speaker 2: So what is your specific brief within the team.

101
00:06:11,987 --> 00:06:16,227
Speaker 6: I'm the I do the attack for the for the side,

102
00:06:16,867 --> 00:06:20,547
Speaker 6: and just an assistant coach. Was basically and obviously working

103
00:06:20,587 --> 00:06:25,427
Speaker 6: with with the backs predominantly when we do our unit stuff.

104
00:06:25,467 --> 00:06:30,267
Speaker 6: So yeah, something I enjoyed doing really is the attacks

105
00:06:30,267 --> 00:06:30,827
Speaker 6: side of the game.

106
00:06:31,107 --> 00:06:33,707
Speaker 2: I guess when we think about South African teams historically,

107
00:06:33,827 --> 00:06:37,707
Speaker 2: we don't think about them as particularly expensive teams. Very

108
00:06:37,707 --> 00:06:40,467
Speaker 2: four dominated rugby and it's been successful for them for

109
00:06:40,507 --> 00:06:43,147
Speaker 2: a long time. Did you feel that coming in Tony,

110
00:06:43,387 --> 00:06:46,027
Speaker 2: that you know that that there might be some you know,

111
00:06:46,107 --> 00:06:47,907
Speaker 2: some stereotypes to break or not.

112
00:06:49,147 --> 00:06:49,187
Speaker 8: No.

113
00:06:49,307 --> 00:06:53,227
Speaker 6: I definitely knew they had a real strong identity around

114
00:06:53,267 --> 00:06:57,307
Speaker 6: the physicality, around the set piece and around the kicking

115
00:06:57,307 --> 00:07:01,027
Speaker 6: game and obviously defensively the best team in the world,

116
00:07:01,067 --> 00:07:06,347
Speaker 6: So I knew that was their identity. And and you know,

117
00:07:06,507 --> 00:07:08,947
Speaker 6: going in as a new coach, you don't want to

118
00:07:09,587 --> 00:07:12,747
Speaker 6: tell the world champions what they need to do different.

119
00:07:12,787 --> 00:07:14,227
Speaker 6: You sort of just got to work with what they've

120
00:07:14,227 --> 00:07:16,987
Speaker 6: got and try and make little changes along the way.

121
00:07:17,227 --> 00:07:19,307
Speaker 2: How did you navigate that coming into a team that

122
00:07:19,387 --> 00:07:23,027
Speaker 2: has been so successful as you say World Champions. How

123
00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:25,067
Speaker 2: did you sort of navigate your way through that being

124
00:07:25,827 --> 00:07:28,347
Speaker 2: a newcomer into such a successful environment.

125
00:07:29,747 --> 00:07:32,507
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I think my job is to create around

126
00:07:32,547 --> 00:07:34,987
Speaker 6: the attack, the attack side of the game for the

127
00:07:35,027 --> 00:07:39,987
Speaker 6: South African team, show them the opportunities that they're potentially missing,

128
00:07:40,747 --> 00:07:43,627
Speaker 6: show them where they can be better and when they've

129
00:07:43,627 --> 00:07:47,147
Speaker 6: got ball in hands, show the forward to what they

130
00:07:47,227 --> 00:07:50,027
Speaker 6: need to do differently to have a big impact on attack.

131
00:07:50,107 --> 00:07:52,867
Speaker 6: And then obviously work with the backs that have got

132
00:07:52,907 --> 00:07:56,467
Speaker 6: a lot of X factor to make sure that they

133
00:07:56,587 --> 00:07:59,707
Speaker 6: play within the structure and with the other fourteen players

134
00:07:59,707 --> 00:08:00,467
Speaker 6: on the park.

135
00:08:00,907 --> 00:08:03,387
Speaker 2: How open were they all as a playing group to

136
00:08:03,427 --> 00:08:04,667
Speaker 2: the ideas that you brought.

137
00:08:06,507 --> 00:08:11,067
Speaker 6: I think that the first thing was that Ressi addressed

138
00:08:11,067 --> 00:08:13,547
Speaker 6: because we've got two new coaches attack and defense, and

139
00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:16,547
Speaker 6: Ressie addressed that at the first meeting, saying that we've

140
00:08:16,587 --> 00:08:20,187
Speaker 6: got to look to develop our game, we've got to

141
00:08:20,227 --> 00:08:22,547
Speaker 6: look to do things a little bit differently and not

142
00:08:22,667 --> 00:08:26,027
Speaker 6: to be closed minded around what we were going to deliver.

143
00:08:26,387 --> 00:08:31,027
Speaker 6: So it's a it's a great intro for me getting

144
00:08:31,027 --> 00:08:32,947
Speaker 6: the head coach to a back what I was going

145
00:08:32,987 --> 00:08:36,027
Speaker 6: to say, and then from there it's just me showing

146
00:08:36,067 --> 00:08:41,147
Speaker 6: the team where we could be better, training different scenarios

147
00:08:41,187 --> 00:08:44,747
Speaker 6: around what our attacks should look like, and then and

148
00:08:44,867 --> 00:08:46,627
Speaker 6: keep showing them how they how we can do it

149
00:08:46,627 --> 00:08:48,507
Speaker 6: a little bit better, and how we can improve as

150
00:08:48,547 --> 00:08:51,187
Speaker 6: a team and how we can improve as individuals.

151
00:08:51,507 --> 00:08:54,187
Speaker 2: Once they started implementing the ideas that you brought to

152
00:08:54,227 --> 00:08:57,107
Speaker 2: the table, Tony and they started to work, did that

153
00:08:57,347 --> 00:08:59,907
Speaker 2: help in the in the relationship that you know that

154
00:08:59,947 --> 00:09:03,627
Speaker 2: what you were suggesting was actually paying dividends for them.

155
00:09:05,107 --> 00:09:11,387
Speaker 6: On under winning matches definitely makes it easier to I guess,

156
00:09:11,827 --> 00:09:14,867
Speaker 6: stick to what you were, what you're doing, and stick

157
00:09:14,907 --> 00:09:16,987
Speaker 6: to what you're preaching around what we can do better

158
00:09:17,027 --> 00:09:19,827
Speaker 6: on attack. You know, if we had lost four or

159
00:09:19,867 --> 00:09:22,747
Speaker 6: five test matches this year, then you know things would

160
00:09:22,787 --> 00:09:26,747
Speaker 6: have been different. But you know, from my point of view,

161
00:09:28,027 --> 00:09:30,987
Speaker 6: what I what I tried to do and was just

162
00:09:31,067 --> 00:09:33,827
Speaker 6: work with the physical side of the game that they're

163
00:09:33,867 --> 00:09:36,387
Speaker 6: really good at and just show them a little ways

164
00:09:36,427 --> 00:09:42,387
Speaker 6: where we can being direct and then trying to get

165
00:09:42,467 --> 00:09:44,707
Speaker 6: us to use our skills a little bit more, trying

166
00:09:44,747 --> 00:09:47,347
Speaker 6: to get us to position a little bit quick and

167
00:09:48,067 --> 00:09:50,267
Speaker 6: try it. Mostly it was around trying to create a

168
00:09:50,307 --> 00:09:53,067
Speaker 6: mindset that we can be the best team in the

169
00:09:53,107 --> 00:09:53,827
Speaker 6: world on attack.

170
00:09:54,587 --> 00:09:56,427
Speaker 2: I look at the back line that you're working with,

171
00:09:56,547 --> 00:10:01,707
Speaker 2: Jesse Kleil, Chesslyn Colby, Willie LaRue, Curtly Orenza, f Lally, Facy,

172
00:10:01,787 --> 00:10:03,747
Speaker 2: Damian de l Ende. I mean, what a what a

173
00:10:03,787 --> 00:10:07,267
Speaker 2: back line arguably the best in the world. How do

174
00:10:07,307 --> 00:10:10,187
Speaker 2: you assess them as a as a back line and

175
00:10:10,387 --> 00:10:12,667
Speaker 2: comparing comparing them to the other ones you've had the

176
00:10:13,347 --> 00:10:14,147
Speaker 2: chance to work with.

177
00:10:15,627 --> 00:10:19,627
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you know individually, individually the some of

178
00:10:19,667 --> 00:10:22,987
Speaker 6: the best players in the world for sure. So we

179
00:10:23,187 --> 00:10:25,587
Speaker 6: just needed to make sure that we could create space

180
00:10:25,787 --> 00:10:29,707
Speaker 6: for them to you know, attack, especially guys like Cheeslin

181
00:10:29,787 --> 00:10:33,227
Speaker 6: and even a guy like Fussy from from Fallback who's

182
00:10:33,267 --> 00:10:36,747
Speaker 6: got some electric speed and currently on the other wing.

183
00:10:36,907 --> 00:10:39,307
Speaker 6: Like those those three guys, if they get a bit

184
00:10:39,347 --> 00:10:41,547
Speaker 6: of a bit of time and bit of space, then

185
00:10:41,667 --> 00:10:43,827
Speaker 6: they can beat players and they can score tries. So

186
00:10:45,067 --> 00:10:47,427
Speaker 6: my job was just to show everyone how we could

187
00:10:47,467 --> 00:10:50,587
Speaker 6: do that and and then just keep driving it during

188
00:10:50,587 --> 00:10:55,547
Speaker 6: the trainings and keep creating the mindset that to be

189
00:10:55,587 --> 00:10:57,787
Speaker 6: able to create space, you've got to you got to

190
00:10:57,827 --> 00:11:01,107
Speaker 6: attack space. So there's just little things like that that

191
00:11:01,147 --> 00:11:05,587
Speaker 6: we just added to the physical side of the Springbok game.

192
00:11:06,027 --> 00:11:08,187
Speaker 2: You mean before as well. I guess we assume you

193
00:11:08,227 --> 00:11:11,267
Speaker 2: know when you're when you're an attack coach, you immediately think, okay,

194
00:11:11,267 --> 00:11:13,587
Speaker 2: you're working mainly with the backs, but you mentioned there

195
00:11:13,587 --> 00:11:15,467
Speaker 2: that you did quite a bit with the forwards as well.

196
00:11:15,547 --> 00:11:15,987
Speaker 9: Is that right?

197
00:11:17,827 --> 00:11:18,547
Speaker 3: One hundred percent?

198
00:11:18,627 --> 00:11:21,307
Speaker 6: If the attack's going to work, the forwards are the

199
00:11:21,307 --> 00:11:25,187
Speaker 6: most important, and I think probably in the past the

200
00:11:25,227 --> 00:11:28,547
Speaker 6: spring Box have just had a forward pack that was

201
00:11:28,587 --> 00:11:31,587
Speaker 6: really dominant and then they would would do their thing

202
00:11:31,667 --> 00:11:33,867
Speaker 6: and you just give it to the backs and hope

203
00:11:33,907 --> 00:11:35,707
Speaker 6: that they did their things. So for me, it was

204
00:11:35,747 --> 00:11:39,867
Speaker 6: around getting your un combining, getting the type forwards, creating

205
00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:42,707
Speaker 6: space for the for the inside backs and there, and

206
00:11:42,867 --> 00:11:45,467
Speaker 6: then you're getting your loose forwards who are operating out

207
00:11:45,507 --> 00:11:48,387
Speaker 6: in the width. So you're a lot lot more dangerous

208
00:11:48,387 --> 00:11:51,147
Speaker 6: team if if everyone's on the same page and they're

209
00:11:51,147 --> 00:11:52,267
Speaker 6: creating space for each other.

210
00:11:52,987 --> 00:11:57,067
Speaker 2: Can you articulate for us see your Kalis's influence in

211
00:11:57,107 --> 00:12:00,187
Speaker 2: the South African site.

212
00:11:59,987 --> 00:12:04,267
Speaker 6: Well, obviously he's won two Cups, so it's hard. I've

213
00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:06,547
Speaker 6: only been in there for six months, so it's a

214
00:12:06,547 --> 00:12:10,307
Speaker 6: little bit hard for me, But just my initial impression

215
00:12:10,307 --> 00:12:13,427
Speaker 6: of Seas, he's, you know, one hundred percent committed to

216
00:12:13,467 --> 00:12:19,107
Speaker 6: South Africa. He wants the rugby team to represent the

217
00:12:19,147 --> 00:12:26,507
Speaker 6: country and definitely represent transformation within South Africa and you know,

218
00:12:26,547 --> 00:12:28,987
Speaker 6: the spring Box and doing an amazing job at that

219
00:12:29,187 --> 00:12:32,827
Speaker 6: and he's probably the leader of all the side of

220
00:12:33,867 --> 00:12:38,387
Speaker 6: Springbok rugby and you know, and he's a selfless guy.

221
00:12:38,707 --> 00:12:41,667
Speaker 6: You know, he doesn't he doesn't always play. He hardly

222
00:12:41,707 --> 00:12:44,427
Speaker 6: ever plays eighty minutes. Sometimes he's only playing forty. So

223
00:12:45,187 --> 00:12:48,267
Speaker 6: he just does whatever's required from him for the team

224
00:12:48,347 --> 00:12:51,027
Speaker 6: and he sacrifices a lot for the spring Box.

225
00:12:51,707 --> 00:12:53,987
Speaker 2: How did you find it coaching against the All Blacks?

226
00:12:56,587 --> 00:13:05,387
Speaker 6: It was definitely different, but it's something there, especially the

227
00:13:05,467 --> 00:13:09,867
Speaker 6: Johannesburg Test match, the All Backs versus South Africa. It

228
00:13:09,947 --> 00:13:12,307
Speaker 6: was just amazing to be a part of that Test match,

229
00:13:12,947 --> 00:13:16,987
Speaker 6: even though I was coaching against the All Blacks. I

230
00:13:17,147 --> 00:13:19,307
Speaker 6: just the reason why I took the South Africa's job

231
00:13:19,427 --> 00:13:22,307
Speaker 6: was to be coaching on the biggest stage and the

232
00:13:22,307 --> 00:13:24,667
Speaker 6: biggest test matches and for me, that was probably the

233
00:13:24,667 --> 00:13:27,907
Speaker 6: biggest one that I've coached in so far. So pretty amazing.

234
00:13:29,667 --> 00:13:31,307
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just rugby.

235
00:13:32,907 --> 00:13:35,427
Speaker 6: You know, one day maybe I'll be coaching the All Blacks,

236
00:13:35,467 --> 00:13:38,187
Speaker 6: but at the moment I'm just fully committed to South Africa.

237
00:13:38,507 --> 00:13:40,107
Speaker 2: You're still hard at that ambition.

238
00:13:41,507 --> 00:13:41,947
Speaker 3: Always.

239
00:13:42,667 --> 00:13:47,667
Speaker 6: You know, I played for the All Blacks obviously from

240
00:13:47,667 --> 00:13:51,507
Speaker 6: New Zealand, played for New Zealand Maldi, So you know,

241
00:13:51,587 --> 00:13:54,547
Speaker 6: one day definitely want to be able to coach the

242
00:13:54,547 --> 00:13:55,707
Speaker 6: All Blacks at some stage.

243
00:13:56,947 --> 00:13:59,107
Speaker 2: How do you assess where they are after nine tests

244
00:13:59,227 --> 00:14:01,747
Speaker 2: of this year under their new coach Scott Robertson.

245
00:14:03,347 --> 00:14:09,107
Speaker 6: Yeah, tough for me too to give you a proper opinion.

246
00:14:10,547 --> 00:14:13,707
Speaker 6: You know, I think the starting to find their way

247
00:14:13,707 --> 00:14:18,387
Speaker 6: as a coaching team. The players are potentially look starting

248
00:14:18,387 --> 00:14:21,027
Speaker 6: to believe in the coaches a little bit more. And

249
00:14:21,107 --> 00:14:24,747
Speaker 6: if if they can get those two things working really well,

250
00:14:25,067 --> 00:14:30,587
Speaker 6: then you'll see the players being able to I believe

251
00:14:30,627 --> 00:14:32,187
Speaker 6: and and they'll get better better.

252
00:14:32,067 --> 00:14:36,787
Speaker 2: Quip and uh. We see the public face of Rassi

253
00:14:36,827 --> 00:14:40,227
Speaker 2: Erasmus a lot, we might cow you know, we we

254
00:14:40,307 --> 00:14:42,787
Speaker 2: obviously enjoy seeing them in media situations and that sort

255
00:14:42,787 --> 00:14:45,187
Speaker 2: of thing. What does he like to to work alongside?

256
00:14:46,667 --> 00:14:51,507
Speaker 6: He's very good, one hundred percent honest. You know, he's

257
00:14:52,467 --> 00:14:58,507
Speaker 6: he's got the South African players one hundred percent committed

258
00:14:58,827 --> 00:15:02,067
Speaker 6: to South African rugby and committed to the country. And

259
00:15:02,547 --> 00:15:05,347
Speaker 6: you know, especially in professional sport nowadays, it can be

260
00:15:05,387 --> 00:15:10,467
Speaker 6: easy to be be selfish in certain times, and but

261
00:15:10,587 --> 00:15:14,547
Speaker 6: he makes sure that everyone is fully committed and everyone

262
00:15:14,627 --> 00:15:17,667
Speaker 6: understands that if you're not playing, you're still committed to

263
00:15:18,107 --> 00:15:22,147
Speaker 6: helping the other players prepare. And you know, he just

264
00:15:22,147 --> 00:15:24,187
Speaker 6: wants to plays to be one hundred percent honest with him,

265
00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:28,867
Speaker 6: and he's created this environment where I believe the South

266
00:15:28,907 --> 00:15:33,347
Speaker 6: African players would literally lie down and die for the team.

267
00:15:33,667 --> 00:15:35,467
Speaker 2: Must be an incredible environment to be a part of.

268
00:15:35,627 --> 00:15:36,947
Speaker 2: Is it a Is it a deal through to the

269
00:15:36,947 --> 00:15:39,387
Speaker 2: next World Cup, Tony or what's the what's the duration

270
00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:40,187
Speaker 2: of the deal for you?

271
00:15:41,067 --> 00:15:41,307
Speaker 10: Yeah?

272
00:15:41,347 --> 00:15:45,267
Speaker 6: For me, it's through to the World Cup. You know

273
00:15:46,427 --> 00:15:48,747
Speaker 6: that was something that Russ he was pretty strong on

274
00:15:49,347 --> 00:15:52,907
Speaker 6: around committing through to the World Cup because all of

275
00:15:52,947 --> 00:15:54,867
Speaker 6: his plannings around getting ready for that.

276
00:15:56,787 --> 00:15:59,187
Speaker 2: Well, it's been a great pleasure to catch up with you. Look,

277
00:15:59,707 --> 00:16:02,267
Speaker 2: we can only congratulate you on being part of the

278
00:16:02,347 --> 00:16:06,827
Speaker 2: South African side that that has looked tremendous and a

279
00:16:06,827 --> 00:16:09,227
Speaker 2: lot of chat about how much more expansive. They are

280
00:16:09,267 --> 00:16:11,907
Speaker 2: on attack and it's great to get your insight into it. Tony.

281
00:16:11,987 --> 00:16:13,867
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time for a chat this afternoon.

282
00:16:14,427 --> 00:16:15,827
Speaker 6: Thank you pleasure anytime.

283
00:16:15,907 --> 00:16:20,387
Speaker 2: Thanks Tony. Tony Brown there Attack coach, Assistant Coach of

284
00:16:20,547 --> 00:16:23,787
Speaker 2: South Africa, twelve twenty two. You've heard from Tony Brown.

285
00:16:23,827 --> 00:16:26,467
Speaker 2: Can to get your views on this on our top

286
00:16:26,507 --> 00:16:32,307
Speaker 2: coaches which Tony Brown is and how we retain them? Oh,

287
00:16:32,347 --> 00:16:33,907
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten. Are you're going to throw

288
00:16:33,907 --> 00:16:34,667
Speaker 2: the lines open on this?

289
00:16:34,707 --> 00:16:34,907
Speaker 9: Look?

290
00:16:34,947 --> 00:16:38,467
Speaker 2: This isn't new. Obviously we have a lot of great

291
00:16:38,547 --> 00:16:41,747
Speaker 2: rugby coaches in New Zealand and they can't all coach

292
00:16:41,787 --> 00:16:44,387
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, so some of them are going to

293
00:16:44,507 --> 00:16:47,987
Speaker 2: end up at other places. But for Tony Brown to

294
00:16:48,187 --> 00:16:51,747
Speaker 2: end up with the world champion spring box and to

295
00:16:51,787 --> 00:16:56,347
Speaker 2: make such a huge difference to them, actually improve them,

296
00:16:57,107 --> 00:17:02,427
Speaker 2: is really really interesting to me. Remember back in twenty

297
00:17:02,747 --> 00:17:05,907
Speaker 2: nineteen when All Blacks coach at the time, so Steve Hanson.

298
00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:08,907
Speaker 2: Steve Hanson then i think, confirmed that he'd be vacating

299
00:17:08,907 --> 00:17:10,907
Speaker 2: his role after the Rugby World Cup in twenty nineteen.

300
00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:14,587
Speaker 2: There were three front runners for the role. Scott Robertson

301
00:17:14,667 --> 00:17:17,787
Speaker 2: Ian Foster, Jamie Joseph, and you remember at the time

302
00:17:17,827 --> 00:17:22,667
Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby wanted convincing that each candidate had their

303
00:17:22,707 --> 00:17:27,427
Speaker 2: coaching staff sought it as well. Remember Brent Himpey, he

304
00:17:27,547 --> 00:17:30,227
Speaker 2: was the president or chair chair I think of New

305
00:17:30,307 --> 00:17:32,907
Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby at the time, said bring us your team,

306
00:17:33,667 --> 00:17:37,227
Speaker 2: tell us who you've got, and both Scott Robertson and

307
00:17:37,307 --> 00:17:40,707
Speaker 2: Jamie Joseph wanted Tony Brown in their group, and Tony

308
00:17:40,747 --> 00:17:43,587
Speaker 2: Brown went with Jamie Joseph, who then opted to pull

309
00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:46,307
Speaker 2: out and stay in charge of Japan. Tony Brown actually

310
00:17:46,427 --> 00:17:50,987
Speaker 2: was still offered a role under Ian Foster, but he

311
00:17:51,027 --> 00:17:52,867
Speaker 2: turned it down because he said it didn't feel right.

312
00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:56,027
Speaker 2: He went back to coaching Japan with Jamie Joseph, and

313
00:17:56,387 --> 00:17:58,267
Speaker 2: he was again in the conversation to coach the All

314
00:17:58,307 --> 00:18:03,067
Speaker 2: Blacks after Ian Foster left, but Razer got the job.

315
00:18:03,067 --> 00:18:05,067
Speaker 2: Of course, so Tony Brown was kind of in Limba.

316
00:18:05,187 --> 00:18:09,067
Speaker 2: But I don't know if Raiser approached him again, but

317
00:18:09,107 --> 00:18:11,627
Speaker 2: even if he did, he went with his current coaching group,

318
00:18:11,667 --> 00:18:14,947
Speaker 2: including le On McDonald who has left now. Of course,

319
00:18:16,827 --> 00:18:20,907
Speaker 2: a huge part of me believes Tony Brown should be

320
00:18:20,907 --> 00:18:24,667
Speaker 2: sitting in the All Blacks coaching box not plotting our downfall?

321
00:18:25,347 --> 00:18:27,187
Speaker 2: But are we just in a situation where this is

322
00:18:27,187 --> 00:18:30,947
Speaker 2: a fact of professional sport? As I said before, we've

323
00:18:30,947 --> 00:18:33,547
Speaker 2: got a lot of good coaches, heaps of them, and

324
00:18:33,587 --> 00:18:36,347
Speaker 2: they can't all coach the All Blacks. But Tony Brown

325
00:18:36,347 --> 00:18:38,067
Speaker 2: even admitting in there or even saying, and I've heard

326
00:18:38,147 --> 00:18:39,787
Speaker 2: him say that a few times and other interviews and

327
00:18:39,867 --> 00:18:43,507
Speaker 2: read pieces on him as well, he is very aspirational

328
00:18:43,507 --> 00:18:45,667
Speaker 2: when it comes to the All Blacks. At some stage

329
00:18:45,667 --> 00:18:47,827
Speaker 2: you'd have to think it. He's still quite a young guy.

330
00:18:47,987 --> 00:18:50,747
Speaker 2: He will be part of an all Blacks coaching group.

331
00:18:52,867 --> 00:18:54,747
Speaker 2: It just I don't know. I don't know if it rankles.

332
00:18:55,147 --> 00:18:57,587
Speaker 2: But how do you feel when you see how you

333
00:18:57,627 --> 00:19:00,227
Speaker 2: look at the South African coaching box and there's Tony

334
00:19:00,267 --> 00:19:04,627
Speaker 2: Brown plotting our downfall? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

335
00:19:04,747 --> 00:19:07,507
Speaker 2: eighty nine two. If you would like to send us

336
00:19:07,507 --> 00:19:09,747
Speaker 2: a text twelve to twenty five on Weekend Sport, we're

337
00:19:09,747 --> 00:19:10,747
Speaker 2: back with your calls after this.

338
00:19:11,827 --> 00:19:15,347
Speaker 3: The biggest things in sports are on Weekend Sports with

339
00:19:15,547 --> 00:19:17,067
Speaker 3: Jason Pin and GJ.

340
00:19:17,267 --> 00:19:21,307
Speaker 1: Gunerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks NB.

341
00:19:21,627 --> 00:19:25,467
Speaker 2: Twelve twenty eight on News TALKSB talking the international coaching

342
00:19:26,067 --> 00:19:30,107
Speaker 2: landscape and how we keep our best ones. But then

343
00:19:31,027 --> 00:19:34,787
Speaker 2: you know there's only so many positions, only so many positions.

344
00:19:34,787 --> 00:19:38,907
Speaker 2: Tony Brown's influence on South Africa has been significant. Hello,

345
00:19:38,947 --> 00:19:42,747
Speaker 2: et En Jason, how are you good? Thank you? Are

346
00:19:42,787 --> 00:19:43,707
Speaker 2: you South African?

347
00:19:44,507 --> 00:19:44,707
Speaker 10: Yes?

348
00:19:44,867 --> 00:19:46,627
Speaker 11: Mate, I am very proudly.

349
00:19:47,667 --> 00:19:49,987
Speaker 2: Well you'll be you'll be very pleased to have Tony

350
00:19:50,027 --> 00:19:51,147
Speaker 2: Brown on your side.

351
00:19:52,187 --> 00:19:53,307
Speaker 10: Absolutely. Listen.

352
00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:57,507
Speaker 11: I've been living here in zero for twenty years, and

353
00:19:58,187 --> 00:20:01,747
Speaker 11: let's give him a go. He's gonna be coaching Africa

354
00:20:02,467 --> 00:20:06,907
Speaker 11: and to all the twenty twenty seven walk up in Australia, yep,

355
00:20:07,507 --> 00:20:10,667
Speaker 11: And so I thinka will win it again. And he

356
00:20:10,827 --> 00:20:15,707
Speaker 11: was saying that he wants to coach Doll Blacks and

357
00:20:15,747 --> 00:20:20,867
Speaker 11: he's only getting stronger, so he's performing there and when

358
00:20:21,427 --> 00:20:25,387
Speaker 11: hopefully you'll get the chance to coach Stoll Blacks and

359
00:20:27,067 --> 00:20:28,147
Speaker 11: you'll make the team stronger.

360
00:20:28,907 --> 00:20:29,107
Speaker 10: Yeah.

361
00:20:29,107 --> 00:20:33,907
Speaker 2: Oh look, I mean, without wanting to crystal ballgaze too much,

362
00:20:33,987 --> 00:20:36,067
Speaker 2: let's just say for argument Sagetti and you're right, And

363
00:20:36,107 --> 00:20:38,707
Speaker 2: it's one possible scenario that South Africa do win the

364
00:20:38,707 --> 00:20:41,587
Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty twenty seven, making it what three

365
00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:44,627
Speaker 2: in a row? I mean, I think New Zealand Rugby

366
00:20:44,667 --> 00:20:47,827
Speaker 2: would I mean apart from apart from it happened in

367
00:20:47,867 --> 00:20:49,747
Speaker 2: nineteen as well. Know that's so Steve Hanson left, they

368
00:20:49,747 --> 00:20:51,627
Speaker 2: put Foster and But normally when you lose the World

369
00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:53,707
Speaker 2: Cup as an All Blacks coach, you don't get the

370
00:20:53,827 --> 00:20:55,907
Speaker 2: job again, Sir Graham Henry did of course and O

371
00:20:56,107 --> 00:20:59,507
Speaker 2: seven But are you but would it be your gut

372
00:20:59,507 --> 00:21:02,147
Speaker 2: feel that if South Africa were to win it again

373
00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:05,467
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven, and Tony Brown has a big

374
00:21:05,507 --> 00:21:07,587
Speaker 2: part of playing that that he would get a knock

375
00:21:07,587 --> 00:21:14,027
Speaker 2: on his door from New Zealand Rugby. Absolutely, who do

376
00:21:14,067 --> 00:21:15,587
Speaker 2: you support when the who do you support? When the

377
00:21:15,587 --> 00:21:19,467
Speaker 2: spring box by the All Blacks So Africa? Yeah, but

378
00:21:19,507 --> 00:21:24,627
Speaker 2: you mean twenty years we haven't we haven't.

379
00:21:23,507 --> 00:21:27,947
Speaker 11: Yet again made the best one win. I always sit

380
00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:30,147
Speaker 11: on the sideline on that one. But my heart is

381
00:21:30,267 --> 00:21:33,827
Speaker 11: Africa always. But when it comes to So Africa and

382
00:21:33,867 --> 00:21:36,987
Speaker 11: New Zealand obviously made the best one win, which is

383
00:21:37,147 --> 00:21:43,987
Speaker 11: very competitive. Yeah, So I'm sure he is getting his

384
00:21:44,147 --> 00:21:46,067
Speaker 11: name out there, He's getting the word out there that

385
00:21:46,147 --> 00:21:49,187
Speaker 11: he wants to coach New Zealand. So I'm sure if

386
00:21:49,187 --> 00:21:51,307
Speaker 11: he gets a knock on his door, he'll take it.

387
00:21:51,427 --> 00:21:53,387
Speaker 11: And I'm telling you now New Ziland will get a

388
00:21:53,427 --> 00:21:56,307
Speaker 11: lot better. What will be better than that? I just

389
00:21:56,427 --> 00:21:58,947
Speaker 11: I just don't think Tony Robinson has got what it

390
00:21:58,987 --> 00:22:04,187
Speaker 11: takes to take this team further. I just don't think so. No,

391
00:22:05,587 --> 00:22:09,747
Speaker 11: the team is not responding, they're not working together like

392
00:22:09,827 --> 00:22:15,147
Speaker 11: they used to. Everybody can see it, and so yeah,

393
00:22:15,267 --> 00:22:17,147
Speaker 11: I just don't think that's quite what it takes.

394
00:22:17,427 --> 00:22:20,827
Speaker 2: I guess the difference is that Tony Brown is an

395
00:22:20,827 --> 00:22:24,107
Speaker 2: assistant coach. Yes, he's been a head coach at the Highlanders,

396
00:22:24,147 --> 00:22:27,347
Speaker 2: but mainly an assistant coach with Jamie Joseph. Here again

397
00:22:27,387 --> 00:22:29,827
Speaker 2: with South Africa. He's an assistant coach with a specific

398
00:22:29,947 --> 00:22:33,267
Speaker 2: role of attack, which clearly he's doing very very well.

399
00:22:34,467 --> 00:22:37,507
Speaker 2: Would I think I feel like in twenty twenty seven

400
00:22:37,587 --> 00:22:39,747
Speaker 2: he would be part of a coaching group. It might

401
00:22:39,787 --> 00:22:43,027
Speaker 2: be with Jamie Joseph for example. Although he's moved out

402
00:22:43,027 --> 00:22:45,827
Speaker 2: of the head coaching landscape at the moment, I'm going

403
00:22:45,827 --> 00:22:47,387
Speaker 2: to take up a director I think director of rugby

404
00:22:47,507 --> 00:22:48,987
Speaker 2: and will probably be. I think he's head coach of

405
00:22:48,987 --> 00:22:50,947
Speaker 2: the Highland is next year, but out of the international

406
00:22:51,267 --> 00:22:54,787
Speaker 2: realm anyway, I feel like Tony Brown's best best role

407
00:22:54,827 --> 00:22:57,147
Speaker 2: to playing a team is what he's doing with South Africa,

408
00:22:57,587 --> 00:23:00,387
Speaker 2: just looking after their attack, because man, they've been magnificent.

409
00:23:01,387 --> 00:23:04,507
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm telling you it's incredible. He's got so much.

410
00:23:04,587 --> 00:23:07,387
Speaker 11: He's got a massive inputting me. There is things that

411
00:23:07,467 --> 00:23:10,227
Speaker 11: you know. Raha Russi is a he's like hiding this

412
00:23:10,347 --> 00:23:13,187
Speaker 11: and hiding that and not let anybody know nothing. There

413
00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:15,107
Speaker 11: is a lot going on there that we don't know about,

414
00:23:15,387 --> 00:23:17,067
Speaker 11: and Tony Brown is a part of it and they're

415
00:23:17,107 --> 00:23:20,707
Speaker 11: so awesome. That's a great, so great to have him

416
00:23:20,707 --> 00:23:25,267
Speaker 11: a part of the team. And I'm telling you now

417
00:23:25,427 --> 00:23:28,107
Speaker 11: Africa is going to go for it again four times.

418
00:23:28,147 --> 00:23:29,107
Speaker 11: They can win it again.

419
00:23:30,067 --> 00:23:34,947
Speaker 2: I love the optimism. I love the optimism. Let's let's

420
00:23:35,027 --> 00:23:36,947
Speaker 2: let's chat again over the next couple of years and

421
00:23:36,987 --> 00:23:38,547
Speaker 2: see how they're see how they're tracking it.

422
00:23:40,667 --> 00:23:41,267
Speaker 11: Thank you very much.

423
00:23:41,307 --> 00:23:44,027
Speaker 2: I didn't all right, Thanks you and appreciate your call.

424
00:23:44,107 --> 00:23:44,307
Speaker 11: Mate.

425
00:23:44,307 --> 00:23:45,787
Speaker 2: Good to chat to you. There you go. That's the

426
00:23:45,867 --> 00:23:48,947
Speaker 2: South African view our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

427
00:23:49,027 --> 00:23:52,587
Speaker 2: for your view. Like I said, there isn't a solution

428
00:23:52,747 --> 00:23:55,867
Speaker 2: I can think of. I mean, I mean, I guess,

429
00:23:56,787 --> 00:23:59,747
Speaker 2: I guess. Okay, let's let's spit ball a bit here.

430
00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:05,587
Speaker 2: It wasn't working between Scott Robertson and Leon McDonald, and

431
00:24:05,627 --> 00:24:08,867
Speaker 2: that led to who are parting of the ways. Leon

432
00:24:08,987 --> 00:24:12,267
Speaker 2: McDonald left the All Blacks coaching set up and the

433
00:24:12,347 --> 00:24:15,067
Speaker 2: remaining duties were shared, or his duties were shared among

434
00:24:15,107 --> 00:24:18,587
Speaker 2: the remaining coaches. Tomothy Ellison took a bigger role, Jason

435
00:24:18,627 --> 00:24:22,627
Speaker 2: Holland took over some extra responsibility. Presumably Scott Hansen did

436
00:24:22,627 --> 00:24:28,347
Speaker 2: it as well, so they spread the responsibility out. I wonder,

437
00:24:29,387 --> 00:24:31,667
Speaker 2: I wonder whether there might have been an opportunity to

438
00:24:31,707 --> 00:24:33,907
Speaker 2: go to although the timing wouldn't have worked, but to

439
00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:37,667
Speaker 2: go to Tony Brown then and said hey, Tony, I

440
00:24:37,747 --> 00:24:40,467
Speaker 2: know you've you've thrown your lot and with South Africa,

441
00:24:40,627 --> 00:24:45,107
Speaker 2: but come home, man, come home. I think the timing

442
00:24:45,147 --> 00:24:48,547
Speaker 2: was the problem, wasn't it, Because Leo McDonald he that

443
00:24:48,667 --> 00:24:51,507
Speaker 2: was just before they went to South Africa. So by

444
00:24:51,507 --> 00:24:54,067
Speaker 2: that stage Tony Brown had signed on the dotted line

445
00:24:54,427 --> 00:24:57,707
Speaker 2: with Rassi Erasmus for the next three to four years

446
00:24:57,707 --> 00:25:02,947
Speaker 2: through to the next Rugby World Cup. Opportunity lost or not.

447
00:25:03,627 --> 00:25:06,187
Speaker 2: I feel like it is. I watched that South African

448
00:25:06,507 --> 00:25:09,307
Speaker 2: and as he said to Tony Brown earlier, they've always

449
00:25:09,427 --> 00:25:14,507
Speaker 2: been renowned, always for their dominant forward pack, their no

450
00:25:14,507 --> 00:25:19,747
Speaker 2: nonsense set peace, their ability to physically dominate. But immediately

451
00:25:19,827 --> 00:25:24,587
Speaker 2: it was obvious watching South Africa how much more expensive

452
00:25:24,587 --> 00:25:27,587
Speaker 2: they were with ball in hand. And that has to

453
00:25:27,627 --> 00:25:31,347
Speaker 2: come down largely at the feet of Tony Brown. What

454
00:25:31,467 --> 00:25:34,907
Speaker 2: he has very quickly brought to that team. He must

455
00:25:34,907 --> 00:25:37,147
Speaker 2: have been He must have got in there, looked at

456
00:25:37,147 --> 00:25:40,747
Speaker 2: the players at his disposal and started licking his lips

457
00:25:41,227 --> 00:25:45,267
Speaker 2: with what he could encourage them to do. They have

458
00:25:45,347 --> 00:25:50,107
Speaker 2: a terrific set of backs, and under his guidance they

459
00:25:50,627 --> 00:25:55,027
Speaker 2: became expensive. I bet the players absolutely loved it. I

460
00:25:55,027 --> 00:25:58,587
Speaker 2: bet they loved it. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

461
00:25:58,587 --> 00:26:00,307
Speaker 2: for your thoughts, speedline. If you want to jump aboard

462
00:26:00,307 --> 00:26:03,347
Speaker 2: Mike's says, call me petty. Yes, he's a good coach

463
00:26:04,027 --> 00:26:08,787
Speaker 2: and it's professional sport. But the un ardinable indiscretion of

464
00:26:08,947 --> 00:26:12,267
Speaker 2: helping South Africa beat the All Blacks, any team but them,

465
00:26:12,627 --> 00:26:15,627
Speaker 2: no All Blacks coaching job for Tony Brown. In my book,

466
00:26:15,947 --> 00:26:17,867
Speaker 2: Ge Mike, that's a bit harsh. If that's the if

467
00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:21,387
Speaker 2: that's the if that's the criteria that if you if

468
00:26:21,427 --> 00:26:22,987
Speaker 2: you help another side beat the All Blacks, you're not

469
00:26:23,067 --> 00:26:25,627
Speaker 2: let to coach you All Blacks. Then I'm not sure

470
00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:27,587
Speaker 2: that's the road to go down. Maybe you're saying it

471
00:26:27,627 --> 00:26:28,347
Speaker 2: with tongue in cheep.

472
00:26:28,387 --> 00:26:28,667
Speaker 10: I don't know.

473
00:26:28,747 --> 00:26:32,507
Speaker 2: Dave says my thoughts on Tony Brown coaching the All Blacks.

474
00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:34,907
Speaker 2: If Scott Robertson wins the World Cup, he'll of course

475
00:26:34,947 --> 00:26:37,707
Speaker 2: get the next four years with his current group. If

476
00:26:37,747 --> 00:26:39,667
Speaker 2: he fails, the next cab off the rank as Verne

477
00:26:39,707 --> 00:26:44,067
Speaker 2: Cotter Jamie Joseph will miss out. Tony Brown might need

478
00:26:44,107 --> 00:26:47,187
Speaker 2: to tie his colors to vern Would there be any

479
00:26:47,387 --> 00:26:53,467
Speaker 2: any scenario under which New Zealand Rugby might go to

480
00:26:53,467 --> 00:26:56,107
Speaker 2: Tony Brown and say, look, I know you've got a contract,

481
00:26:56,107 --> 00:27:01,627
Speaker 2: but we know these things are breakable. Come home, come home.

482
00:27:02,987 --> 00:27:09,347
Speaker 2: Do you think that would ever ever possible happen? If

483
00:27:09,347 --> 00:27:15,867
Speaker 2: Tony Brown continues to, you know, encourage and enable South

484
00:27:15,867 --> 00:27:21,987
Speaker 2: Africa to play, well, wouldn't you go after him and say, hey, Tony,

485
00:27:21,987 --> 00:27:24,627
Speaker 2: well you know we'll get you out of that contract.

486
00:27:26,707 --> 00:27:29,747
Speaker 2: Come home another David says at the end, is so

487
00:27:29,827 --> 00:27:34,907
Speaker 2: right about Razor Brett says New Zealand rugby broke their

488
00:27:34,907 --> 00:27:39,787
Speaker 2: own rule. All black coach does not need international experience.

489
00:27:39,827 --> 00:27:45,187
Speaker 2: You're right. It's two be billboard bred, isn't it This

490
00:27:45,347 --> 00:27:47,507
Speaker 2: Texas the spring Box won two World Cups before Tony

491
00:27:47,507 --> 00:27:50,827
Speaker 2: Brown even got the year. Look, I'm of course they did,

492
00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:53,547
Speaker 2: yes they did. But he has improved them. There's no

493
00:27:53,627 --> 00:27:55,907
Speaker 2: doubt that he has improved them this year. And how

494
00:27:55,907 --> 00:27:59,507
Speaker 2: do you improve it a back to back rugby World

495
00:27:59,547 --> 00:28:01,707
Speaker 2: Cup winner? You have to do something innovative, you have

496
00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:07,707
Speaker 2: to do something different. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

497
00:28:07,747 --> 00:28:09,587
Speaker 2: eighty lines are open on this updating a bit of

498
00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:12,307
Speaker 2: live sport for you. In the meantime. Ford Trophy cricketers

499
00:28:12,347 --> 00:28:14,787
Speaker 2: going on. At the moment it's raining in christ Church,

500
00:28:14,947 --> 00:28:17,827
Speaker 2: Canterbury and Northern yet to get underway at Hagley Oval

501
00:28:17,867 --> 00:28:20,387
Speaker 2: because of the rain down there. They're back on the

502
00:28:20,387 --> 00:28:25,067
Speaker 2: field at the basin where central forty for one. They've

503
00:28:25,107 --> 00:28:27,307
Speaker 2: reduced that game to forty eight overs. Beside through ten

504
00:28:27,347 --> 00:28:29,827
Speaker 2: overs central forty for one against the Wellington Firebirds and

505
00:28:29,867 --> 00:28:33,307
Speaker 2: Otago won sixty five for four in the thirty second

506
00:28:33,307 --> 00:28:35,867
Speaker 2: over against Auckland it's after Auckland on the toss and

507
00:28:35,907 --> 00:28:39,347
Speaker 2: elected to bowl at Bay Oval in Mount Monganui. Twenty

508
00:28:39,547 --> 00:28:42,187
Speaker 2: three away from one. We're back at a second weekend Sport.

509
00:28:42,227 --> 00:28:44,667
Speaker 1: Don't get caught off side call eight hundred and eighty

510
00:28:44,707 --> 00:28:48,227
Speaker 1: ten eighty weekends for us with Jason Payne and GJ.

511
00:28:48,427 --> 00:28:52,187
Speaker 1: Guvnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder News sogs.

512
00:28:51,987 --> 00:28:55,347
Speaker 2: NB just on nineteen away from one. Brand says don't

513
00:28:55,347 --> 00:28:58,147
Speaker 2: even know why Northern went to christ Church. Heavy rain

514
00:28:58,267 --> 00:29:00,667
Speaker 2: was always forecast there. I guess you can't just not

515
00:29:00,787 --> 00:29:04,227
Speaker 2: turn up at a at a game of cricket because

516
00:29:04,467 --> 00:29:06,187
Speaker 2: there is heavy rain in the forecast and take you

517
00:29:06,227 --> 00:29:08,387
Speaker 2: for Brendan. They probably got on the plane, got off

518
00:29:08,427 --> 00:29:10,867
Speaker 2: the plane and thought, man, there's no chance, no chance.

519
00:29:10,947 --> 00:29:13,067
Speaker 2: Is it raining quite heavily in christ Hitch at the moment.

520
00:29:13,107 --> 00:29:15,867
Speaker 2: Presumably it is. It was terrible and Wellington yesterday, but

521
00:29:16,067 --> 00:29:19,107
Speaker 2: it's actually all right at the moment. Should be good

522
00:29:19,147 --> 00:29:22,107
Speaker 2: for the NPC final this afternoon. Just after three o'clock.

523
00:29:22,347 --> 00:29:25,787
Speaker 2: Gold Sport and iHeartRadio have live commentary of that from

524
00:29:26,107 --> 00:29:29,547
Speaker 2: just before three. Ross Bond, Matt Buck and Shannon Puku

525
00:29:30,027 --> 00:29:32,427
Speaker 2: are our commentary team. We'll get down to Skystadium at

526
00:29:32,427 --> 00:29:34,867
Speaker 2: some stage after two o'clock just to set the scene

527
00:29:35,147 --> 00:29:39,587
Speaker 2: for you down there. Also, Major League Baseball is at

528
00:29:39,627 --> 00:29:42,467
Speaker 2: its World Series stage. This is I guess what you

529
00:29:42,547 --> 00:29:47,067
Speaker 2: call the final Dodgers Yankees game one underweight about one o'clock.

530
00:29:47,067 --> 00:29:48,747
Speaker 2: Will keep eyes on that for you. And of course

531
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:52,147
Speaker 2: the All Blacks up against Japan ten to seven tonight

532
00:29:52,267 --> 00:29:54,707
Speaker 2: again a commentary right here on news talk Sad Beat

533
00:29:54,987 --> 00:29:58,467
Speaker 2: with Elliot Smith and Gregor Paul, the commentary team. Elliott's

534
00:29:58,467 --> 00:30:02,827
Speaker 2: been with the All Blacks in Tokyo all week, reporting

535
00:30:02,867 --> 00:30:07,107
Speaker 2: back for us and chatting to various participants, holding All

536
00:30:07,147 --> 00:30:09,547
Speaker 2: Blacks front, Robert all the Fussy.

537
00:30:09,427 --> 00:30:11,987
Speaker 12: Off the fussy with us. Always a special week when

538
00:30:11,987 --> 00:30:14,667
Speaker 12: the All Blacks come to Japan. How's the week gone

539
00:30:14,667 --> 00:30:17,827
Speaker 12: to this point from a fan perspective of training perspective

540
00:30:17,867 --> 00:30:19,907
Speaker 12: of how things gone, Yeah.

541
00:30:19,747 --> 00:30:24,027
Speaker 13: It's been good. Obviously we love coming here. Uh, we

542
00:30:24,107 --> 00:30:28,267
Speaker 13: were a big fan base here in Japan. The culture,

543
00:30:28,387 --> 00:30:32,627
Speaker 13: the people love you over here. Obviously, they love rugby,

544
00:30:32,667 --> 00:30:37,547
Speaker 13: they love the All Blacks and very passionate people. But yeah,

545
00:30:37,547 --> 00:30:41,827
Speaker 13: in terms of training, we've been we've been building very nicely. Obviously,

546
00:30:41,827 --> 00:30:44,587
Speaker 13: we got in a few days earlier than we would

547
00:30:44,627 --> 00:30:46,787
Speaker 13: have on a normal test week, so we got the

548
00:30:46,827 --> 00:30:50,947
Speaker 13: climate ice and pece of the heat obviously. Yeah, a

549
00:30:50,987 --> 00:30:53,507
Speaker 13: bit different from back home. But yeah, we've had a

550
00:30:53,507 --> 00:30:59,307
Speaker 13: good week prepping. Obviously, some of the squad head around

551
00:30:59,347 --> 00:31:04,627
Speaker 13: with Panasonic guest today and uh that went well. But yeah,

552
00:31:04,707 --> 00:31:06,507
Speaker 13: I focus is on Japan.

553
00:31:06,387 --> 00:31:09,267
Speaker 12: And how important to start this tour off on a

554
00:31:09,347 --> 00:31:11,427
Speaker 12: good note with a good performance on Saturday.

555
00:31:11,987 --> 00:31:16,067
Speaker 13: Yeah, obviously at the beginning of a long tour, and

556
00:31:17,147 --> 00:31:19,867
Speaker 13: it it'll big great to start off strong and then

557
00:31:20,027 --> 00:31:21,667
Speaker 13: you know, put a line on the stand in terms

558
00:31:21,667 --> 00:31:25,907
Speaker 13: of our performance in and so we can move forward

559
00:31:25,907 --> 00:31:26,267
Speaker 13: from there.

560
00:31:26,627 --> 00:31:29,467
Speaker 12: A couple of years ago and here in Tokyo they

561
00:31:29,467 --> 00:31:31,587
Speaker 12: gave you, you know, a real scare. They put a

562
00:31:31,587 --> 00:31:33,627
Speaker 12: good performance and I think thirty eight to thirty one

563
00:31:33,627 --> 00:31:35,387
Speaker 12: in the end. What are your recollections of that and

564
00:31:35,627 --> 00:31:39,307
Speaker 12: what they're able to do well to put you under

565
00:31:39,307 --> 00:31:40,347
Speaker 12: pressure that day?

566
00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:49,147
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think obviously with no disrespecting or of the

567
00:31:49,227 --> 00:31:52,787
Speaker 13: Japanese side, because they've always been their computer. You know,

568
00:31:53,507 --> 00:31:56,267
Speaker 13: look at their last two World Cups and then all

569
00:31:56,307 --> 00:32:01,907
Speaker 13: those big upsets. We certainly don't take them lightly obviously

570
00:32:02,147 --> 00:32:04,867
Speaker 13: on their day as rugby, you know, things can go

571
00:32:04,947 --> 00:32:08,307
Speaker 13: your way or don't. But uh, yeah, if I don't

572
00:32:08,307 --> 00:32:12,147
Speaker 13: remember much from that game, but I think there was

573
00:32:12,187 --> 00:32:15,187
Speaker 13: a lot of you know, things going fell into their

574
00:32:15,227 --> 00:32:19,347
Speaker 13: hands and work out there in their favor. But yeah, we,

575
00:32:19,587 --> 00:32:22,587
Speaker 13: like I said, we've had a good week prepping and

576
00:32:23,427 --> 00:32:25,707
Speaker 13: probably we've had a great week, probably the best in

577
00:32:25,747 --> 00:32:30,467
Speaker 13: preparation and this year. And yeah, I can tell the

578
00:32:30,507 --> 00:32:33,707
Speaker 13: boys a confidently can't wait to go out there on Saturday.

579
00:32:34,067 --> 00:32:35,907
Speaker 12: You've known Patrick toy but a lot too for a

580
00:32:35,947 --> 00:32:38,147
Speaker 12: long time. Yeahs special for him to get to Leader's

581
00:32:38,147 --> 00:32:39,107
Speaker 12: Country out on the weekend.

582
00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:43,507
Speaker 13: Oh very I suppose be very special for himself and

583
00:32:43,787 --> 00:32:49,467
Speaker 13: his family, Petty since at the very beginning. And I'm

584
00:32:49,907 --> 00:32:53,067
Speaker 13: I'm just extremely proud of them obviously lead us at

585
00:32:53,107 --> 00:32:56,267
Speaker 13: the Blues and the just the top man Petty on

586
00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:59,307
Speaker 13: and off the field, and like how I went to play

587
00:32:59,587 --> 00:33:01,227
Speaker 13: play alongside him on Saturday.

588
00:33:01,507 --> 00:33:03,787
Speaker 12: The sharing the All Black seems like there's heaps of

589
00:33:03,827 --> 00:33:07,507
Speaker 12: competition hit prop with Pasilio coming in and you know

590
00:33:07,587 --> 00:33:10,147
Speaker 12: and too mighty growing as well. How exciting is that

591
00:33:10,227 --> 00:33:13,467
Speaker 12: for the propping departments and the All Blacks to have

592
00:33:13,507 --> 00:33:15,027
Speaker 12: that competition, pushing, pushing each other.

593
00:33:15,587 --> 00:33:19,827
Speaker 13: Oh, it makes our another team healthy. I suppose it

594
00:33:19,867 --> 00:33:24,467
Speaker 13: makes us better the competitions there. But for us, it's more,

595
00:33:25,227 --> 00:33:31,587
Speaker 13: you know, making everyone better, especially us prompts you're unspitt

596
00:33:31,627 --> 00:33:34,067
Speaker 13: and healthy and then playing some some great rugby you know,

597
00:33:35,147 --> 00:33:38,387
Speaker 13: who knows might be the opportunity this week or we

598
00:33:38,427 --> 00:33:40,827
Speaker 13: may get it next week. It's about you know, to

599
00:33:40,867 --> 00:33:45,347
Speaker 13: staying ready so because you're your opportunity will come. But

600
00:33:45,707 --> 00:33:49,747
Speaker 13: I'm glad to see those boys, you know, playing really

601
00:33:49,747 --> 00:33:53,027
Speaker 13: well and then growing as not only players but but people.

602
00:33:54,187 --> 00:33:55,427
Speaker 9: Yeah, how important.

603
00:33:55,667 --> 00:33:58,107
Speaker 12: I guess there's this tour of five big weeks in

604
00:33:58,147 --> 00:33:59,827
Speaker 12: it in a row Japan. But then and it's a

605
00:33:59,827 --> 00:34:02,027
Speaker 12: bigger test, a big test to come off the back

606
00:34:02,067 --> 00:34:05,547
Speaker 12: of it, to grow as a team and connect over

607
00:34:05,547 --> 00:34:06,347
Speaker 12: these next few weeks.

608
00:34:06,867 --> 00:34:11,587
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's important. Look looking back in the championship and

609
00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:16,667
Speaker 13: the July chests against England, I think we're we're building

610
00:34:16,947 --> 00:34:21,227
Speaker 13: nicely and we're our game is evolving and lock it's

611
00:34:21,267 --> 00:34:24,947
Speaker 13: just the next few weeks just another opportunity for us

612
00:34:24,987 --> 00:34:32,027
Speaker 13: to to Obviously we haven't put one hundred percent uh

613
00:34:32,147 --> 00:34:35,667
Speaker 13: of our performance out there, but I think we're growing

614
00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:38,827
Speaker 13: and hopefully we can it be better.

615
00:34:39,627 --> 00:34:41,067
Speaker 12: A few weeks since you've got on the park and

616
00:34:41,067 --> 00:34:43,227
Speaker 12: then it was Cape Down last played, weren't able to

617
00:34:43,227 --> 00:34:45,307
Speaker 12: get a game for the Tunny Fire and Sneaking game

618
00:34:45,347 --> 00:34:45,587
Speaker 12: in there.

619
00:34:46,147 --> 00:34:47,147
Speaker 9: I would I would have loved to.

620
00:34:47,587 --> 00:34:50,547
Speaker 13: Obviously, being in this environment, even though you're not playing,

621
00:34:50,627 --> 00:34:53,147
Speaker 13: there's still a lot of you know, you're obviously your world,

622
00:34:53,227 --> 00:34:57,387
Speaker 13: your old changes during the week, either either be playing

623
00:34:57,467 --> 00:35:01,267
Speaker 13: or you're preparing the boys, the trainings. Yeah, n inteen

624
00:35:01,307 --> 00:35:04,707
Speaker 13: Cities High and the and there's always a lot of

625
00:35:04,707 --> 00:35:07,427
Speaker 13: things to do. So even though I'm not out there

626
00:35:07,427 --> 00:35:09,547
Speaker 13: on the park, you know, the body still take a

627
00:35:09,547 --> 00:35:14,427
Speaker 13: lot throughout the week. But yeah, hopefully you know this.

628
00:35:14,547 --> 00:35:16,707
Speaker 13: Obviously this week I'm on when they're coming off the beach.

629
00:35:16,787 --> 00:35:20,187
Speaker 13: So yeah, looking forward to getting out there and play just.

630
00:35:20,187 --> 00:35:21,667
Speaker 3: As a team this weekend.

631
00:35:22,547 --> 00:35:24,467
Speaker 12: Talk about obviously getting the tour off the right note,

632
00:35:24,467 --> 00:35:27,747
Speaker 12: but performance wise, you're a Japan's a team that likes

633
00:35:27,747 --> 00:35:29,147
Speaker 12: to run at the All Blacks hour as well. Do

634
00:35:29,147 --> 00:35:31,467
Speaker 12: you think there's some similarities in terms of the way

635
00:35:31,507 --> 00:35:34,387
Speaker 12: that the two game plans might meet on Saturday afternoon.

636
00:35:34,867 --> 00:35:37,427
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's always it's gonna be a good running rugby

637
00:35:38,507 --> 00:35:42,347
Speaker 13: game on Saturday, I think. But yeah, for us, it's

638
00:35:42,387 --> 00:35:48,507
Speaker 13: about just focusing on our game and our plan and

639
00:35:48,547 --> 00:35:51,107
Speaker 13: if we do that then I think I said before,

640
00:35:51,187 --> 00:35:52,387
Speaker 13: things will fall into place.

641
00:35:52,707 --> 00:35:52,907
Speaker 10: Yeah.

642
00:35:53,267 --> 00:35:57,547
Speaker 13: The Japanese loves loves running rugby and they play really fast.

643
00:35:57,707 --> 00:36:01,787
Speaker 13: So for us, it's just our game management and hopefully

644
00:36:02,827 --> 00:36:05,987
Speaker 13: the best. Can you manage the game well to give

645
00:36:06,067 --> 00:36:07,507
Speaker 13: us before it some time.

646
00:36:08,947 --> 00:36:09,587
Speaker 9: To be a good game.

647
00:36:09,747 --> 00:36:13,307
Speaker 2: That is the voice of Offertortem Fussy, who will be

648
00:36:13,387 --> 00:36:15,307
Speaker 2: off the bench tonight as he was a couple of

649
00:36:15,387 --> 00:36:19,867
Speaker 2: years ago in Japan when the Brave Blossoms got as

650
00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:21,427
Speaker 2: close as they ever had to the All Blacks a

651
00:36:21,467 --> 00:36:23,427
Speaker 2: thirty eight to thirty one win on that occasion're going

652
00:36:23,427 --> 00:36:25,667
Speaker 2: to break the test down and the end of year

653
00:36:25,707 --> 00:36:27,987
Speaker 2: tour as well in a wider sense with Murray mixteat

654
00:36:28,027 --> 00:36:30,187
Speaker 2: after one o'clock, time for a couple of calls or

655
00:36:30,187 --> 00:36:32,227
Speaker 2: still time for a couple of calls before one on

656
00:36:32,947 --> 00:36:36,827
Speaker 2: the best way to keep our top coaching talent with us.

657
00:36:36,987 --> 00:36:40,387
Speaker 2: Whether you'd welcomed Tony Brown back into the fault seems

658
00:36:40,427 --> 00:36:42,987
Speaker 2: a bit of a no brainer to me. But obviously

659
00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:46,707
Speaker 2: the current coaching staff have another five test matches this

660
00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:50,187
Speaker 2: year to negotiate, First of all Japan this afternoon, and

661
00:36:50,227 --> 00:36:54,027
Speaker 2: then those three big matches in consecutive weeks England Island,

662
00:36:54,067 --> 00:36:57,707
Speaker 2: France to finish with Italy. Oh eight hundred and eighty

663
00:36:57,707 --> 00:36:59,787
Speaker 2: ten eighty lines open as always, just on that game

664
00:37:00,107 --> 00:37:03,907
Speaker 2: two years ago, it was a very different All Blacks

665
00:37:03,907 --> 00:37:07,547
Speaker 2: team to this one, and obviously sent ten players on

666
00:37:07,587 --> 00:37:11,227
Speaker 2: to England to prepare for next weekend. But from the

667
00:37:11,227 --> 00:37:14,307
Speaker 2: starting fifteen two years ago when New Zealand played Japan,

668
00:37:14,867 --> 00:37:18,667
Speaker 2: only Sam Kine and Sevu Reese from the starting fifteen

669
00:37:18,707 --> 00:37:21,947
Speaker 2: that day are going to start tonight. Just two of

670
00:37:21,947 --> 00:37:24,747
Speaker 2: the fifteen. Patrick Tuupolotu was on the bench two years ago.

671
00:37:24,787 --> 00:37:26,307
Speaker 2: He's going to captain the team for the first time

672
00:37:26,307 --> 00:37:28,627
Speaker 2: tonight in a Test match. Anton Lennard Brown was in

673
00:37:28,627 --> 00:37:32,027
Speaker 2: the reserves that night too, He's starting at offer Talkma

674
00:37:32,027 --> 00:37:35,147
Speaker 2: Farsi and David Harvilly on the bench two years ago

675
00:37:35,267 --> 00:37:37,227
Speaker 2: and they are again on the bench tonight. So a

676
00:37:37,427 --> 00:37:39,907
Speaker 2: very different looking All Blacks team from the one that

677
00:37:40,387 --> 00:37:43,187
Speaker 2: narrowly beat Japan thirty eight thirty one a couple of

678
00:37:43,267 --> 00:37:45,547
Speaker 2: years ago. Coming up ten to one News Talk CV

679
00:37:45,667 --> 00:37:48,347
Speaker 2: back in a moment's on Weekend Sport when it's.

680
00:37:48,227 --> 00:37:48,987
Speaker 3: Down to the line.

681
00:37:49,227 --> 00:37:53,427
Speaker 1: You made a call on ten eighty Weekend Sports with

682
00:37:53,627 --> 00:37:54,947
Speaker 1: Jason Hine, News.

683
00:37:54,787 --> 00:37:58,827
Speaker 2: Talks MB seven and a half away from one, James says,

684
00:37:58,867 --> 00:38:02,107
Speaker 2: tarential rain in christ Church at the moment, absolutely no

685
00:38:02,227 --> 00:38:04,987
Speaker 2: chance of cricket today. James, you've called it because I've

686
00:38:05,267 --> 00:38:08,107
Speaker 2: abandoned that Ford Trophy match. They've said nope, we're not

687
00:38:08,107 --> 00:38:11,307
Speaker 2: getting ay of cricket in today, So that game has

688
00:38:11,347 --> 00:38:15,307
Speaker 2: been officially abandoned between Canterbury and Northern. I guess Northern

689
00:38:15,347 --> 00:38:16,907
Speaker 2: will hop back on the plane and maybe try to

690
00:38:16,907 --> 00:38:21,067
Speaker 2: get an earlier flight out of there. Central fifty five

691
00:38:21,107 --> 00:38:23,547
Speaker 2: for two and the fourteenth dover batting first against Wellington

692
00:38:23,707 --> 00:38:27,267
Speaker 2: and Otaga one eighty for five in the thirty sixth

693
00:38:27,267 --> 00:38:31,987
Speaker 2: over batting first against Auckland. Good ay, Jonathan, I got Jason.

694
00:38:32,387 --> 00:38:35,907
Speaker 14: Yeah. I had to listen to your interview with Tony

695
00:38:35,947 --> 00:38:42,747
Speaker 14: Brown and for me it's like treason to for a

696
00:38:42,787 --> 00:38:46,827
Speaker 14: New Zealand coach to teach another international side against the

697
00:38:46,907 --> 00:38:48,947
Speaker 14: All Blacks for which he was in all back himself.

698
00:38:49,587 --> 00:38:51,707
Speaker 14: But at the same time I'd be respect the fact

699
00:38:51,747 --> 00:38:55,107
Speaker 14: that there are lots not to New Zealand world class

700
00:38:55,147 --> 00:38:57,827
Speaker 14: coaches and like you say, they can't all coach for

701
00:38:57,867 --> 00:39:01,387
Speaker 14: the or Blacks. So he's professional coach and he's got

702
00:39:01,387 --> 00:39:04,787
Speaker 14: to find work. But I do, I do remember, and

703
00:39:05,307 --> 00:39:07,907
Speaker 14: I think I'm like saying that that Wayne Smith said

704
00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:11,267
Speaker 14: that he was if he was ever an international coach,

705
00:39:11,307 --> 00:39:14,307
Speaker 14: he would never coach against the All Backs. Is that correct?

706
00:39:14,707 --> 00:39:16,267
Speaker 2: He did say that. No, he did say that.

707
00:39:16,627 --> 00:39:20,827
Speaker 14: Yeah, I take my head off. I take my head

708
00:39:20,867 --> 00:39:24,907
Speaker 14: off to him. But like I say, it's it's hard

709
00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:29,147
Speaker 14: and yeah, it's it's almost like treason for me.

710
00:39:29,707 --> 00:39:34,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know against Yeah, it must be hard

711
00:39:34,187 --> 00:39:37,427
Speaker 2: because and even asking him standing there and during the

712
00:39:37,507 --> 00:39:39,627
Speaker 2: national anthems and all that sort of thing, Jonathan must

713
00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:42,467
Speaker 2: be really kind of hard to process in your own brain.

714
00:39:42,507 --> 00:39:44,107
Speaker 2: He's stood out there in that black jersey and now

715
00:39:44,107 --> 00:39:45,907
Speaker 2: he's singing the South African anthem.

716
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:49,467
Speaker 14: Yeah, I I honestly couldn't do it. But that's not

717
00:39:49,547 --> 00:39:52,347
Speaker 14: my job. I'm not a coach. But it's your life.

718
00:39:52,747 --> 00:39:56,107
Speaker 14: You've got a fighting work, haven't you, really, So what

719
00:39:56,147 --> 00:39:56,587
Speaker 14: can you do?

720
00:39:57,227 --> 00:39:57,307
Speaker 6: No?

721
00:39:57,987 --> 00:40:00,107
Speaker 2: And that's the big paradox for him writers that as

722
00:40:00,147 --> 00:40:02,347
Speaker 2: You're right, he's got to earn a livelihood. That's his job.

723
00:40:02,427 --> 00:40:04,507
Speaker 2: He's a he's a rugby coach and if there's no

724
00:40:04,627 --> 00:40:08,547
Speaker 2: job available here then I mean coach Japan. So you

725
00:40:08,587 --> 00:40:11,427
Speaker 2: know that's I know different. Maybe that's because they've never

726
00:40:11,467 --> 00:40:13,947
Speaker 2: really been a threat to us, but to sit in

727
00:40:13,987 --> 00:40:16,427
Speaker 2: the coach's box in South Africa and for two test

728
00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:19,267
Speaker 2: matches against US really make a difference. Yeah, it must

729
00:40:19,307 --> 00:40:21,347
Speaker 2: be kind of a paradox in his own mind, right.

730
00:40:21,907 --> 00:40:24,467
Speaker 14: Yeah, but I hope I would love for him in

731
00:40:24,507 --> 00:40:27,267
Speaker 14: the future to get the All Backs job because.

732
00:40:28,627 --> 00:40:30,827
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree, Jonathan. I'd love to see

733
00:40:30,867 --> 00:40:32,987
Speaker 2: him as part of a All Blacks coaching group as well,

734
00:40:32,987 --> 00:40:36,307
Speaker 2: maybe alongside Jamie Joseph, who knows. You know, they've been

735
00:40:36,787 --> 00:40:38,827
Speaker 2: a pair for a long time, Jonathan, Thanks for your call.

736
00:40:39,667 --> 00:40:42,067
Speaker 2: Whether Jamie Joseph has moved away from that now he

737
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:44,347
Speaker 2: went into that director of rugby role at the Highlanders.

738
00:40:44,427 --> 00:40:46,627
Speaker 2: He's taking over though, isn't he his head coach next

739
00:40:46,707 --> 00:40:49,507
Speaker 2: year of the Highlanders? Pretty sure that's the case. So

740
00:40:49,627 --> 00:40:55,027
Speaker 2: back into the kind of super rugby landscape, will he

741
00:40:55,467 --> 00:40:57,747
Speaker 2: again be a candidate to coach the All Blacks down

742
00:40:57,787 --> 00:40:59,507
Speaker 2: the track. I mean he might have to wait for

743
00:40:59,547 --> 00:41:02,387
Speaker 2: a while. I'm sure of the All Blacks won the

744
00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:05,427
Speaker 2: next World Cup, then that's another four years, and deservedly

745
00:41:05,507 --> 00:41:09,107
Speaker 2: so for this coaching group. But yeah, Jonathan makes a

746
00:41:09,107 --> 00:41:12,627
Speaker 2: really interesting point. It is the great it is the

747
00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:17,067
Speaker 2: great paradox. I'll use that word again. Tony Brown's a

748
00:41:17,107 --> 00:41:19,587
Speaker 2: former All Black, loved the Black jersey, played for New

749
00:41:19,667 --> 00:41:24,547
Speaker 2: Zealand Maori clearly still you know, deeply invested in rugby here.

750
00:41:24,587 --> 00:41:28,027
Speaker 2: But that job is not available and so he has

751
00:41:28,107 --> 00:41:31,067
Speaker 2: to find another job. And it wasn't as though he

752
00:41:31,107 --> 00:41:34,227
Speaker 2: didn't go and knock on that door. RESSI Erasmus wrung

753
00:41:34,387 --> 00:41:41,507
Speaker 2: him plumb job hard to turn down. He almost I

754
00:41:41,507 --> 00:41:44,707
Speaker 2: don't think he sounded apologetic for it, but I think

755
00:41:44,707 --> 00:41:48,427
Speaker 2: he you know, he wouldn't be human if he didn't have,

756
00:41:48,627 --> 00:41:50,587
Speaker 2: you know, a little thought off to the side of

757
00:41:50,627 --> 00:41:53,187
Speaker 2: his mind, thinking I'm coaching against the All Blacks here.

758
00:41:54,627 --> 00:41:57,627
Speaker 2: After one o'clock, Murray Mextead's on the show. Haven't spoken

759
00:41:57,627 --> 00:41:59,187
Speaker 2: to mes for a while, looking forward to getting his

760
00:41:59,267 --> 00:42:01,347
Speaker 2: views on the current All Black side and tonight's Test

761
00:42:01,387 --> 00:42:02,667
Speaker 2: match against Japan.

762
00:42:04,667 --> 00:42:07,107
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss them the biggest sports

763
00:42:07,147 --> 00:42:09,387
Speaker 1: issues on and after fields.

764
00:42:09,867 --> 00:42:13,307
Speaker 3: It's all on Wee jens Ford with Jason Vain on

765
00:42:13,347 --> 00:42:18,867
Speaker 3: your Home of Sport in New Talks.

766
00:42:17,627 --> 00:42:19,347
Speaker 2: Or one oh seven. Welcome back, and I hope you're

767
00:42:19,347 --> 00:42:22,147
Speaker 2: long weekend's going well, or the first part of it.

768
00:42:22,187 --> 00:42:23,707
Speaker 2: If you're in a part of the country you don't

769
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:27,467
Speaker 2: normally inhabit. I hope you're enjoying yourself on the road.

770
00:42:27,507 --> 00:42:30,027
Speaker 2: Perhaps good to have you listening in. This is Weekend Sport.

771
00:42:30,307 --> 00:42:33,227
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine and McDonald's show producer. We're h till three.

772
00:42:33,667 --> 00:42:36,947
Speaker 2: Murray mixed it in just a second chatting All Blacks

773
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:42,947
Speaker 2: rugby Japan tenth Test match of the year tonight, Hewy reckon,

774
00:42:42,947 --> 00:42:47,227
Speaker 2: we'll go mix on that shortly. Joseph Tappany out of

775
00:42:47,267 --> 00:42:50,947
Speaker 2: the Kiwis Rugby League doubleheader in the Garden City tomorrow,

776
00:42:52,267 --> 00:42:55,187
Speaker 2: New Zealand against Australia in Women's and Men's Rugby League

777
00:42:55,187 --> 00:42:57,667
Speaker 2: and Peacock out of Australia before two as well. Keep

778
00:42:57,707 --> 00:42:59,907
Speaker 2: your calls some correspondence coming. Oh eight hundred and eighty

779
00:42:59,947 --> 00:43:03,587
Speaker 2: ten eighty nine two nine two On text, Joe says

780
00:43:03,627 --> 00:43:05,787
Speaker 2: party at Tony Brown's will be on the cards if

781
00:43:05,787 --> 00:43:07,307
Speaker 2: he was to come back and join the All Blacks

782
00:43:07,307 --> 00:43:09,747
Speaker 2: in the future. He was a tough first five, never

783
00:43:09,707 --> 00:43:13,027
Speaker 2: took a step back. Loved him as a player and

784
00:43:13,387 --> 00:43:16,747
Speaker 2: he would bring plenty of innovation to the table. I agree, Joe,

785
00:43:16,827 --> 00:43:19,827
Speaker 2: and Robbie says. Finally, Tony is a really top coach.

786
00:43:19,947 --> 00:43:22,667
Speaker 2: I reckon he's the closest guy to Wayne Smith. I

787
00:43:22,707 --> 00:43:24,427
Speaker 2: would have him and the All Blacks coaching team in

788
00:43:24,467 --> 00:43:28,707
Speaker 2: a flash. What time to Wellington lose, says Robbie. Settle down, Robbie,

789
00:43:28,747 --> 00:43:32,427
Speaker 2: behave yourself NPC final this afternoon, just after three o'clock

790
00:43:32,867 --> 00:43:35,187
Speaker 2: Wellington Bay have plenty at sky Stadium. Will get you

791
00:43:35,267 --> 00:43:37,627
Speaker 2: to Sky Stadium before three with a bit of a

792
00:43:37,667 --> 00:43:39,347
Speaker 2: preview of that one. Eight past one.

793
00:43:39,347 --> 00:43:41,307
Speaker 9: Comes through that right boot of his and.

794
00:43:41,267 --> 00:43:45,107
Speaker 12: Away the yo. The All Blacks get three to finish.

795
00:43:45,227 --> 00:43:48,667
Speaker 12: Japan go down swinging and this one thirty eight thirty one.

796
00:43:48,707 --> 00:43:51,467
Speaker 2: What a Test match we have seen. It was two

797
00:43:51,587 --> 00:43:53,987
Speaker 2: years ago the last time the All Blacks played Japan.

798
00:43:54,067 --> 00:43:57,187
Speaker 2: It's their tenth Test match of this year, ten to seven. Tonight,

799
00:43:57,587 --> 00:44:00,147
Speaker 2: the first of five tests and five weeks to end

800
00:44:00,147 --> 00:44:04,027
Speaker 2: the year. Much tougher assignments ahead England at Twickenham, Ireland

801
00:44:04,067 --> 00:44:08,107
Speaker 2: and Dublin, France and Paris across three consecutive weekends before

802
00:44:08,147 --> 00:44:12,427
Speaker 2: Italy in Rome. To wrap Scott Robertson's first year in charge,

803
00:44:12,627 --> 00:44:15,347
Speaker 2: let's bring in thirty four tests, seventy two game All

804
00:44:15,387 --> 00:44:19,027
Speaker 2: Blacks number eight and astute rugby analyst Murray mixed. Did

805
00:44:19,467 --> 00:44:20,947
Speaker 2: Murray great to get the chance to chat to you

806
00:44:21,067 --> 00:44:23,627
Speaker 2: in general terms? First of all, what have you made

807
00:44:23,627 --> 00:44:26,227
Speaker 2: of the All Blacks performances so far in twenty twenty four?

808
00:44:27,587 --> 00:44:31,587
Speaker 10: Well, firstly, good afternoon, very good. Yeah, Well, I reckon

809
00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:35,147
Speaker 10: that raises taking it one step at a time and

810
00:44:35,747 --> 00:44:39,107
Speaker 10: probably having a good hard look in lots of combinations

811
00:44:39,147 --> 00:44:43,187
Speaker 10: because I think that he was thrown into a hard

812
00:44:44,387 --> 00:44:46,507
Speaker 10: Well they're all hard, aren't they when you think about it.

813
00:44:47,027 --> 00:44:49,867
Speaker 10: The All Black program was a very difficult program going

814
00:44:49,867 --> 00:44:55,187
Speaker 10: to South Africa, playing two games Cape Town and in well,

815
00:44:55,507 --> 00:44:59,387
Speaker 10: joe Burg and Cape Town, So you know, he had

816
00:44:59,427 --> 00:45:01,547
Speaker 10: a tough go and I think lots of things were

817
00:45:01,587 --> 00:45:03,867
Speaker 10: proven over there. I think it exposed a lot of

818
00:45:03,867 --> 00:45:08,747
Speaker 10: weaknesses and therefore I'm very very pleased with the team

819
00:45:08,827 --> 00:45:13,227
Speaker 10: that he selected to play against Japan because there's probably

820
00:45:13,307 --> 00:45:17,747
Speaker 10: half a dozen guys in that starting lineup that he's

821
00:45:17,787 --> 00:45:20,067
Speaker 10: having a good look at to play in that first

822
00:45:20,107 --> 00:45:24,947
Speaker 10: Test against England and Ireland and France. Three in a row.

823
00:45:26,307 --> 00:45:29,147
Speaker 10: That's a tall order. You know, in any year, that's

824
00:45:29,147 --> 00:45:32,267
Speaker 10: a hard combination to play three weeks in a row.

825
00:45:33,227 --> 00:45:36,307
Speaker 10: So it's going to be very interesting this game. And Tokyo,

826
00:45:36,427 --> 00:45:39,187
Speaker 10: I think the team's very clever selection and I think

827
00:45:39,227 --> 00:45:41,187
Speaker 10: we're going to get a good opportunity to have a

828
00:45:41,187 --> 00:45:43,467
Speaker 10: look at five or six players we might figure in

829
00:45:43,507 --> 00:45:44,547
Speaker 10: the first Test in England.

830
00:45:45,067 --> 00:45:46,987
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a couple of those potential

831
00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:51,107
Speaker 2: players in a second murray. But which weaknesses do you

832
00:45:51,147 --> 00:45:52,907
Speaker 2: think we're exposed in South Africa.

833
00:45:54,107 --> 00:45:57,747
Speaker 10: Well, the biggest one, most clear to everybody really is

834
00:45:57,987 --> 00:46:01,587
Speaker 10: the lack of size in comparison to the Springbok forwards.

835
00:46:02,107 --> 00:46:05,427
Speaker 10: So we were well undersized. And you know, I think

836
00:46:05,427 --> 00:46:07,547
Speaker 10: if you're get to beat South Africa and South Africa,

837
00:46:07,587 --> 00:46:11,187
Speaker 10: you've got to target sixty percent possession. Now we didn't

838
00:46:11,187 --> 00:46:13,707
Speaker 10: achieve that in either of those games, and we've got

839
00:46:13,787 --> 00:46:16,987
Speaker 10: under fifty in the second game, I believe, so you're

840
00:46:16,987 --> 00:46:20,347
Speaker 10: not going to beat South Africa and South Africa unless

841
00:46:20,387 --> 00:46:22,787
Speaker 10: you get more than them and as far as ball goes,

842
00:46:24,267 --> 00:46:27,507
Speaker 10: and we couldn't do that. We just weren't literally weren't

843
00:46:27,507 --> 00:46:31,267
Speaker 10: big enough for the aerial possession battle, which we lost.

844
00:46:33,387 --> 00:46:35,547
Speaker 2: So let's look at the selection then of this team,

845
00:46:35,587 --> 00:46:37,827
Speaker 2: actually before we do. Did you think Raiser might be

846
00:46:37,907 --> 00:46:40,867
Speaker 2: more adventurous with his selections up to this point because

847
00:46:40,867 --> 00:46:44,027
Speaker 2: he's he's kind of stuck with a very solid cores

848
00:46:44,067 --> 00:46:45,867
Speaker 2: right across the first nine test of the year. Did

849
00:46:45,907 --> 00:46:47,987
Speaker 2: you think he might be more adventurous?

850
00:46:49,067 --> 00:46:52,347
Speaker 10: No, I don't. I think that. I think he's a

851
00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:58,347
Speaker 10: very good coach and he's he's approven coach, which a

852
00:46:58,347 --> 00:47:01,027
Speaker 10: lot of people are forgetting that. He came back to

853
00:47:01,147 --> 00:47:04,387
Speaker 10: New Zealand after playing France for a long time coaching over there,

854
00:47:04,427 --> 00:47:06,467
Speaker 10: he came back to news Own and he did he

855
00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:09,427
Speaker 10: did the arts big time, you know, with Canterbury b

856
00:47:09,587 --> 00:47:12,547
Speaker 10: I think he started with and then Canterbury and then

857
00:47:13,107 --> 00:47:19,027
Speaker 10: is fantastic you know tenure with the Crusaders. So I

858
00:47:19,067 --> 00:47:23,267
Speaker 10: think that he's a proven coach. What he's not proven

859
00:47:23,307 --> 00:47:28,347
Speaker 10: at is perhaps selection at international level. And I also

860
00:47:28,387 --> 00:47:32,267
Speaker 10: think he's a quick learner and if you're surrounded by

861
00:47:32,547 --> 00:47:36,187
Speaker 10: really deep thinkers, then you have to try out a

862
00:47:36,187 --> 00:47:39,907
Speaker 10: lot of players. The other characteristic I think of raises

863
00:47:39,987 --> 00:47:42,587
Speaker 10: his loyalty. Once he picks someone, he gives them plenty

864
00:47:42,627 --> 00:47:46,387
Speaker 10: of opportunity. You know, he really does. He doesn't just

865
00:47:46,507 --> 00:47:48,067
Speaker 10: look at him for a couple of games and say, no,

866
00:47:48,187 --> 00:47:50,187
Speaker 10: you're not upset, I'll try someone else. He just gives

867
00:47:50,227 --> 00:47:52,627
Speaker 10: them another game and another game, hoping he's going to

868
00:47:52,667 --> 00:47:55,187
Speaker 10: come through. And that's why he developed such incredible loyalty.

869
00:47:55,547 --> 00:47:58,587
Speaker 10: And you'll see the difference in the Crusader. And you know,

870
00:47:58,587 --> 00:48:00,627
Speaker 10: you've got to have Lorty coach. You've got to have

871
00:48:00,667 --> 00:48:03,267
Speaker 10: Lordy with his players. He selects. If you lose the

872
00:48:03,307 --> 00:48:06,907
Speaker 10: players on the field, you're gone, you know, because rugby

873
00:48:06,947 --> 00:48:09,107
Speaker 10: is a true team sport and everyone's got to want

874
00:48:09,107 --> 00:48:12,987
Speaker 10: to be pushing in the same direction. Literally. So I

875
00:48:13,027 --> 00:48:17,467
Speaker 10: think that he's proven in that area and his loyalty

876
00:48:17,547 --> 00:48:20,827
Speaker 10: is unmatched. But I think this is a new ballgame

877
00:48:20,867 --> 00:48:24,427
Speaker 10: now we're starting again, and that's why I think this

878
00:48:24,547 --> 00:48:28,307
Speaker 10: team that play Japan is a very very interesting selection.

879
00:48:29,627 --> 00:48:31,307
Speaker 2: Do you like the look of Wallace a T team?

880
00:48:33,307 --> 00:48:35,587
Speaker 10: I don't. I'm too early for me to comment on

881
00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:40,187
Speaker 10: him to be Frank number one. He's been played at

882
00:48:40,707 --> 00:48:45,627
Speaker 10: blindside Blanka most of the time and he's a number eight,

883
00:48:45,787 --> 00:48:47,307
Speaker 10: so you know you've got to be a to look

884
00:48:47,307 --> 00:48:51,947
Speaker 10: at him in both positions. I think his selection will

885
00:48:51,987 --> 00:48:56,627
Speaker 10: depend on who the other two loose forwards are. And

886
00:48:56,747 --> 00:48:59,987
Speaker 10: I say that objectively because I think that Ardie Severe,

887
00:49:00,627 --> 00:49:04,507
Speaker 10: you'd have to say, is equally as competent at seven

888
00:49:04,747 --> 00:49:09,507
Speaker 10: or eight. And how that evolves over the next few

889
00:49:09,507 --> 00:49:12,427
Speaker 10: weeks will be very interesting to see because you know,

890
00:49:12,507 --> 00:49:16,307
Speaker 10: we've got a very successful open side flank also on

891
00:49:16,347 --> 00:49:18,147
Speaker 10: that team who's played one hundred games or so his

892
00:49:18,307 --> 00:49:21,987
Speaker 10: need for the All Blacks, Sam Caine, so he's also there,

893
00:49:22,067 --> 00:49:25,987
Speaker 10: probably on his last journey with the All Blacks. And

894
00:49:26,227 --> 00:49:29,827
Speaker 10: I think, in fact he's one of the guys, you know,

895
00:49:29,907 --> 00:49:34,027
Speaker 10: I sort of I put a circle around the names

896
00:49:34,107 --> 00:49:36,867
Speaker 10: of the players playing against Japan.

897
00:49:37,627 --> 00:49:37,707
Speaker 6: And.

898
00:49:39,187 --> 00:49:41,707
Speaker 10: One of the names I circled with his name, So

899
00:49:41,827 --> 00:49:43,507
Speaker 10: I think it depends and this is the way it

900
00:49:43,547 --> 00:49:45,907
Speaker 10: should be too. You know, you get selected to play

901
00:49:46,027 --> 00:49:49,107
Speaker 10: big test matches on performance, don't you, So you know

902
00:49:49,187 --> 00:49:53,907
Speaker 10: he needs to perform in England. There's no doubt about

903
00:49:53,907 --> 00:49:57,387
Speaker 10: in Japan to be picked against England. So there's a

904
00:49:57,427 --> 00:50:01,627
Speaker 10: lot of options at seven and eight. Where I think

905
00:50:01,667 --> 00:50:06,747
Speaker 10: the complication comes with Satiti is we need a really

906
00:50:07,147 --> 00:50:12,107
Speaker 10: proven aerial positionion man in the back three, and if

907
00:50:12,147 --> 00:50:16,667
Speaker 10: you have Cain and Severe, you've got to have a

908
00:50:16,707 --> 00:50:20,347
Speaker 10: six foot six guy somewhere in that back three. Now

909
00:50:20,627 --> 00:50:23,107
Speaker 10: this is not new, This dates back to you know,

910
00:50:23,227 --> 00:50:26,507
Speaker 10: even back as far as my playing days are concerned.

911
00:50:26,547 --> 00:50:28,627
Speaker 10: You know, when you're playing the Northern Hemister, you're going

912
00:50:28,707 --> 00:50:32,147
Speaker 10: to have four guys who are really good at aerial position.

913
00:50:32,307 --> 00:50:34,707
Speaker 10: Those four guys are all going to be, you know,

914
00:50:34,987 --> 00:50:37,827
Speaker 10: over two meters tall, and if you go in there

915
00:50:37,827 --> 00:50:42,187
Speaker 10: with guys that are you know, I'm mixing up inches

916
00:50:42,227 --> 00:50:44,587
Speaker 10: and send the meters aren't died. But if you go

917
00:50:44,667 --> 00:50:46,427
Speaker 10: in there with guys that are six foot one and

918
00:50:46,467 --> 00:50:49,547
Speaker 10: six foot two, you're just not going to cut the mustard.

919
00:50:49,547 --> 00:50:52,307
Speaker 10: You're never going to get sixty percent position. And we

920
00:50:52,347 --> 00:50:55,027
Speaker 10: need to get sixty percent position in each of these

921
00:50:55,067 --> 00:50:57,747
Speaker 10: test matches in the UK if we're going to win

922
00:50:57,787 --> 00:50:58,627
Speaker 10: those games.

923
00:50:59,347 --> 00:51:01,387
Speaker 2: So the only guy I can think of, yeah, sorry,

924
00:51:01,427 --> 00:51:02,787
Speaker 2: mix the only guy I can think of? Then that

925
00:51:02,787 --> 00:51:04,947
Speaker 2: fits the bill of a of a of a six

926
00:51:04,987 --> 00:51:08,267
Speaker 2: foot six loose forward in this team. If you've got

927
00:51:08,387 --> 00:51:12,187
Speaker 2: Kine s a T's summer Penny Fenwe and he hasn't

928
00:51:12,267 --> 00:51:14,587
Speaker 2: really shown enough. I don't know what you think to

929
00:51:15,347 --> 00:51:17,907
Speaker 2: justify a place in the best loose forward trios.

930
00:51:18,147 --> 00:51:22,307
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you're absolutely correct, well done, you know. I

931
00:51:22,347 --> 00:51:24,907
Speaker 10: think that that's pretty clear though, isn't it, after what

932
00:51:24,947 --> 00:51:27,267
Speaker 10: I just said? But female is the only guy that's

933
00:51:27,267 --> 00:51:30,387
Speaker 10: call enough to compete. You know, he was given a

934
00:51:30,387 --> 00:51:33,907
Speaker 10: hard baptism, was me. I mean Johannesburg. You'd have to

935
00:51:33,907 --> 00:51:36,147
Speaker 10: if you're playing the spring Box in Johannesburg, that would

936
00:51:36,147 --> 00:51:40,267
Speaker 10: be the hardest game of rugby to play ever. You know,

937
00:51:40,427 --> 00:51:42,627
Speaker 10: if you look at all the different venues around the world,

938
00:51:43,387 --> 00:51:46,827
Speaker 10: and I've been spoiled actually and lucky enough to have

939
00:51:46,867 --> 00:51:50,347
Speaker 10: played in most of those, the game that is the

940
00:51:50,387 --> 00:51:52,707
Speaker 10: hardest to win is the one when you'd run on

941
00:51:52,747 --> 00:51:55,987
Speaker 10: the field in Johannesburg. And for countless reasons which I

942
00:51:56,027 --> 00:51:58,907
Speaker 10: won't go into, but that that is the biggest challenge.

943
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:02,067
Speaker 10: So f now got that challenge and he didn't really

944
00:52:02,107 --> 00:52:04,227
Speaker 10: come through. Diddy is what you're saying, and you haven't

945
00:52:04,267 --> 00:52:07,107
Speaker 10: heard from him since. But I think what found out

946
00:52:07,147 --> 00:52:09,347
Speaker 10: in South Africa is that he didn't have any six

947
00:52:09,387 --> 00:52:12,267
Speaker 10: foot six loose forward who could win ball, you know,

948
00:52:12,267 --> 00:52:14,667
Speaker 10: and he didn't have two locks who could win bore

949
00:52:14,787 --> 00:52:18,227
Speaker 10: that level either, because VA's well under well under six

950
00:52:18,267 --> 00:52:22,467
Speaker 10: foot six. And I think he's playing really well though,

951
00:52:23,867 --> 00:52:26,027
Speaker 10: so you know, he's another guy that I would think

952
00:52:26,067 --> 00:52:28,027
Speaker 10: would be look in the future, will be looked at

953
00:52:28,227 --> 00:52:32,467
Speaker 10: as a blindside blanker and additional because he's good in

954
00:52:32,467 --> 00:52:34,987
Speaker 10: the air with the ball. But he's just not quite

955
00:52:34,987 --> 00:52:37,027
Speaker 10: big enough to be a lock against the very best

956
00:52:37,027 --> 00:52:40,107
Speaker 10: in the world. When you think they're all six ft eight,

957
00:52:41,427 --> 00:52:43,347
Speaker 10: you know, you've got to look at the realities. And

958
00:52:43,507 --> 00:52:47,427
Speaker 10: Barrett would be a showan obviously is one of the locks.

959
00:52:48,107 --> 00:52:50,267
Speaker 10: But do we have another lock of six foot eight?

960
00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:55,107
Speaker 10: And I'm looking hard at this guy, Josh Lord, because

961
00:52:55,147 --> 00:52:57,187
Speaker 10: he's the only guy there that's named I think is

962
00:52:57,267 --> 00:53:02,827
Speaker 10: sex eight. I think we've probably got another one, haven't we.

963
00:53:04,387 --> 00:53:06,707
Speaker 10: Who is it? Now die he's one of our locks?

964
00:53:06,747 --> 00:53:11,667
Speaker 10: Of course. Yeah, we've got two guys going to on

965
00:53:11,787 --> 00:53:14,467
Speaker 10: this tour that are six foot six foot seven or

966
00:53:14,507 --> 00:53:17,787
Speaker 10: six foot eight. But I think Lord would be an

967
00:53:17,787 --> 00:53:20,387
Speaker 10: interesting guy. You see when he comes on the field

968
00:53:21,027 --> 00:53:23,387
Speaker 10: in this game, against Japan will be very interesting when

969
00:53:23,387 --> 00:53:26,627
Speaker 10: he appears. Will he come on straight out to halftime

970
00:53:26,667 --> 00:53:30,787
Speaker 10: on picking? He will? And he's one that they might

971
00:53:30,827 --> 00:53:32,907
Speaker 10: have to look at in Europe, even though he's a

972
00:53:32,907 --> 00:53:34,747
Speaker 10: bit of a virgin. Yeah.

973
00:53:34,947 --> 00:53:36,827
Speaker 2: I guess Sam Dowie's the other one, isn't he who's

974
00:53:36,987 --> 00:53:40,707
Speaker 2: starting alongside Patrick twy a lot too? What did you

975
00:53:40,787 --> 00:53:43,507
Speaker 2: make of the of the decision to seen team players

976
00:53:43,507 --> 00:53:45,067
Speaker 2: on ahead mix?

977
00:53:46,187 --> 00:53:48,107
Speaker 10: Well, I think this is all part of the plan,

978
00:53:48,227 --> 00:53:50,987
Speaker 10: isn't it clearly part of the plan. And when I

979
00:53:51,027 --> 00:53:56,867
Speaker 10: look at the team at that plane, you know, it's

980
00:53:56,907 --> 00:54:01,147
Speaker 10: a really interesting team. We've got a fantastic front row.

981
00:54:01,787 --> 00:54:05,427
Speaker 10: Stocks in the front row are really good and I

982
00:54:05,427 --> 00:54:08,547
Speaker 10: think Jason Ryan it's done a magnificent job. And that's

983
00:54:08,547 --> 00:54:12,267
Speaker 10: one of the great things. I think that he was picked,

984
00:54:12,547 --> 00:54:16,267
Speaker 10: you know, in the last regime and started to develop

985
00:54:16,307 --> 00:54:19,387
Speaker 10: a front row because we were one step behind internationally,

986
00:54:19,427 --> 00:54:22,147
Speaker 10: and I now think we're one step ahead. So he's

987
00:54:22,147 --> 00:54:24,587
Speaker 10: got about six or seven or eight guys that are

988
00:54:24,867 --> 00:54:27,027
Speaker 10: good enough to play in tests. Serious, I'm really pleased

989
00:54:27,027 --> 00:54:30,627
Speaker 10: with what's going on there. We've got real challenge in

990
00:54:30,707 --> 00:54:34,147
Speaker 10: the second row, haven't we, Because if you've listened to

991
00:54:34,187 --> 00:54:36,547
Speaker 10: what I've just said. We haven't got too many six

992
00:54:36,587 --> 00:54:39,627
Speaker 10: foot eight locks around and the loose forwards. We haven't

993
00:54:39,667 --> 00:54:42,747
Speaker 10: got a big loose forward that's been proven yet either,

994
00:54:44,227 --> 00:54:46,987
Speaker 10: and we're not sure about our open side flanker heir

995
00:54:47,067 --> 00:54:49,787
Speaker 10: to be. I mean, I was picking Blackadder actually as

996
00:54:49,867 --> 00:54:53,307
Speaker 10: the next open side flanker after Caine has had his lot,

997
00:54:54,707 --> 00:54:56,387
Speaker 10: but he's been injured a fair bit and we haven't

998
00:54:56,387 --> 00:54:58,147
Speaker 10: seen much of that open so I've seen more of

999
00:54:58,147 --> 00:55:00,907
Speaker 10: than a blindside because of the lack of height. But

1000
00:55:01,027 --> 00:55:03,747
Speaker 10: fortunately we've got Ardie Sabia and he can double up.

1001
00:55:04,107 --> 00:55:06,307
Speaker 10: He can play seven or eight equally as well.

1002
00:55:08,027 --> 00:55:08,867
Speaker 2: Does it actually matter?

1003
00:55:08,947 --> 00:55:09,547
Speaker 11: Does it matter?

1004
00:55:10,107 --> 00:55:13,787
Speaker 2: Does it matter in the modern day game? Murray? Does

1005
00:55:13,827 --> 00:55:15,667
Speaker 2: it matter which number is on the back of a

1006
00:55:15,707 --> 00:55:17,827
Speaker 2: player in the loose forward trio? I know it goes

1007
00:55:17,867 --> 00:55:19,747
Speaker 2: against what you said about having a tall guy, but

1008
00:55:19,827 --> 00:55:22,027
Speaker 2: for example, Ardie Savy is going to play the same

1009
00:55:22,067 --> 00:55:23,667
Speaker 2: way if he's got seven on his back or eight

1010
00:55:23,707 --> 00:55:24,347
Speaker 2: on his back.

1011
00:55:24,187 --> 00:55:30,667
Speaker 10: Isn't he It's a very contentious question you're asking because

1012
00:55:31,187 --> 00:55:32,667
Speaker 10: you know you've got to look at the core role.

1013
00:55:32,707 --> 00:55:34,947
Speaker 10: What is the core role of the six to seven

1014
00:55:35,307 --> 00:55:37,667
Speaker 10: and the eight. And if you ask most people, they've

1015
00:55:37,707 --> 00:55:40,587
Speaker 10: never thought about it. They may know, but they've never

1016
00:55:40,627 --> 00:55:43,787
Speaker 10: thought about Now, the core role of an open side

1017
00:55:43,827 --> 00:55:47,027
Speaker 10: flanker is to retain and regain possession. That is the

1018
00:55:47,067 --> 00:55:49,027
Speaker 10: core role. So in other words, you're on the open

1019
00:55:49,067 --> 00:55:51,947
Speaker 10: side of the scrum. It doesn't matter who wins the

1020
00:55:51,987 --> 00:55:55,827
Speaker 10: ball in the center of the field. Also a kickoff

1021
00:55:56,187 --> 00:55:58,987
Speaker 10: doesn't matter who wins the ball. You have an opportunity

1022
00:55:59,027 --> 00:56:00,987
Speaker 10: to retain or regain. So you've got to be the

1023
00:56:01,027 --> 00:56:04,027
Speaker 10: best we've got in New Zealand in that role. And

1024
00:56:04,067 --> 00:56:07,987
Speaker 10: then who's the second closest, who has a second amount

1025
00:56:07,987 --> 00:56:11,027
Speaker 10: of opportunity is a number eight. So you're quite right.

1026
00:56:12,147 --> 00:56:15,947
Speaker 10: Seven and eight both have a mission and their core

1027
00:56:16,067 --> 00:56:18,947
Speaker 10: role is to retain and regain. You know, you've got

1028
00:56:18,947 --> 00:56:22,267
Speaker 10: to add a couple of other attributes too to the

1029
00:56:22,347 --> 00:56:25,267
Speaker 10: number eight, and ideally one of them would be you

1030
00:56:25,307 --> 00:56:27,067
Speaker 10: know that it would be six or five or so

1031
00:56:28,267 --> 00:56:30,587
Speaker 10: as well, like Karen Reid was an ideal number eight

1032
00:56:30,587 --> 00:56:33,467
Speaker 10: actually because he supported the blindside flank of line out

1033
00:56:34,227 --> 00:56:39,467
Speaker 10: aerial position in general, kicks and dropouts, et cetera. Yeah,

1034
00:56:39,507 --> 00:56:45,707
Speaker 10: so ye, cutting cutting, cutting to the chase you've got

1035
00:56:45,707 --> 00:56:47,587
Speaker 10: to have two. Really in my view, if you go

1036
00:56:47,707 --> 00:56:51,467
Speaker 10: to England, you're going to play England, Ireland and France,

1037
00:56:51,587 --> 00:56:55,267
Speaker 10: you've actually got to have too loose forwards who are

1038
00:56:55,307 --> 00:56:57,987
Speaker 10: really good in the air, and one of them would

1039
00:56:58,027 --> 00:57:02,187
Speaker 10: have to be good enough to hunt and gather. So yeah,

1040
00:57:02,267 --> 00:57:04,507
Speaker 10: hunting and gathering is really important for the seven in

1041
00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:07,827
Speaker 10: the eighth. The number six of totally different position. The

1042
00:57:07,827 --> 00:57:10,747
Speaker 10: blind side flanker has least opportunity to get in the

1043
00:57:10,787 --> 00:57:15,107
Speaker 10: action from set play. He's often the guy either jumping

1044
00:57:15,187 --> 00:57:18,427
Speaker 10: or lifting in the line out less opportunities. So when

1045
00:57:18,467 --> 00:57:21,227
Speaker 10: he does get an opportunity, he's got to make an impact.

1046
00:57:21,627 --> 00:57:27,827
Speaker 10: So you need a really very hard, abrasive, aggressive blind

1047
00:57:27,867 --> 00:57:30,707
Speaker 10: side flanger that you see when he gets a chance.

1048
00:57:30,987 --> 00:57:33,707
Speaker 10: You know he hasn't got as much opportunity as the

1049
00:57:33,747 --> 00:57:36,507
Speaker 10: seven in the eighth. So I hope that is simplified

1050
00:57:36,667 --> 00:57:37,547
Speaker 10: for it.

1051
00:57:37,627 --> 00:57:39,267
Speaker 2: No, it has, it has. I look at them. I

1052
00:57:39,267 --> 00:57:41,187
Speaker 2: look at the guys who have worn six this year

1053
00:57:41,307 --> 00:57:44,507
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks, some of Penny Female for the

1054
00:57:44,507 --> 00:57:49,307
Speaker 2: first two tests against England, then Jacobson against Fiji. Blackadded

1055
00:57:49,347 --> 00:57:51,627
Speaker 2: for three Test matches, the two against Argentina and then

1056
00:57:51,667 --> 00:57:54,307
Speaker 2: South Africa, then Satiti in the time since and now

1057
00:57:54,347 --> 00:57:56,987
Speaker 2: we're back to female. So of all of them, mex,

1058
00:57:57,027 --> 00:58:01,707
Speaker 2: who's who fits the bill best? Is it Satiti? Is

1059
00:58:01,707 --> 00:58:04,627
Speaker 2: he because he's physically abrasive as you've outlined? Is he

1060
00:58:04,707 --> 00:58:05,027
Speaker 2: the man?

1061
00:58:05,587 --> 00:58:09,067
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, it's I mean if you had if you

1062
00:58:09,147 --> 00:58:12,147
Speaker 10: had a Karen Reid playing at number eight, you could say, okay, yeah,

1063
00:58:12,267 --> 00:58:15,107
Speaker 10: you could place a TV at six. But you haven't

1064
00:58:15,147 --> 00:58:18,107
Speaker 10: got a Karen Reader number eight. You've got this numberate

1065
00:58:18,147 --> 00:58:23,187
Speaker 10: in the world probably who's not necessarily a line up forward. Well,

1066
00:58:23,187 --> 00:58:25,947
Speaker 10: he's not a lineup forward. You compete against South Africa

1067
00:58:26,027 --> 00:58:30,507
Speaker 10: and England and France and Ireland, so you've got to

1068
00:58:30,547 --> 00:58:33,827
Speaker 10: have a big blindside blanket. And so the only one

1069
00:58:33,827 --> 00:58:36,627
Speaker 10: on that team at the moment is female, which is

1070
00:58:36,707 --> 00:58:41,387
Speaker 10: why I would be looking at Vay as an option

1071
00:58:41,707 --> 00:58:43,747
Speaker 10: at blindside blanket. Does that answer your question?

1072
00:58:44,147 --> 00:58:44,747
Speaker 9: It does? Yeah?

1073
00:58:44,747 --> 00:58:46,747
Speaker 2: But didn't we try this with Scott Barrett's We moved

1074
00:58:46,827 --> 00:58:49,587
Speaker 2: him out of the second row to blindside didn't really work?

1075
00:58:50,747 --> 00:58:52,627
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know, did it or did it not

1076
00:58:52,707 --> 00:58:55,667
Speaker 10: really work? My mind? Is it did work? You see?

1077
00:58:55,947 --> 00:58:58,787
Speaker 10: I reckon that Barrett also could play six. But we

1078
00:58:58,827 --> 00:59:01,347
Speaker 10: haven't got two other six foot eight bloody locks, have we.

1079
00:59:02,067 --> 00:59:04,627
Speaker 10: So you've got to look at the realities. We're short

1080
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:09,907
Speaker 10: of poor ball winning forwards second row and back row

1081
00:59:10,027 --> 00:59:14,947
Speaker 10: third row. So you know that's my view. You can,

1082
00:59:15,147 --> 00:59:17,107
Speaker 10: you know, you can argue and dispute that, but what

1083
00:59:17,187 --> 00:59:19,667
Speaker 10: you can't dispute is that you've got to get your

1084
00:59:19,707 --> 00:59:22,227
Speaker 10: share of possession and to beat the big teams away

1085
00:59:22,227 --> 00:59:24,267
Speaker 10: from home, you've got to get more than your share

1086
00:59:24,307 --> 00:59:27,227
Speaker 10: of possession. I don't think anybody, doesn't matter how smart

1087
00:59:27,267 --> 00:59:28,387
Speaker 10: they are, can dispute that.

1088
00:59:29,667 --> 00:59:33,507
Speaker 2: I'm not disputing it at all. I'm not disputing that. No, absolutely,

1089
00:59:33,547 --> 00:59:35,147
Speaker 2: not for you, mate.

1090
00:59:39,307 --> 00:59:42,387
Speaker 10: I was probably because you asked me the question, I mean,

1091
00:59:42,707 --> 00:59:45,187
Speaker 10: which meant that you weren't decided either. But it's something

1092
00:59:45,227 --> 00:59:47,827
Speaker 10: that's been neglected, you know, and it's something has been

1093
00:59:47,867 --> 00:59:52,227
Speaker 10: forgotten about. But it's very very obvious. You know, if

1094
00:59:52,267 --> 00:59:54,147
Speaker 10: you can have two guys and the loose forwards that

1095
00:59:54,147 --> 00:59:56,747
Speaker 10: can win the ball in the air. Gee, you've got

1096
00:59:56,747 --> 00:59:58,947
Speaker 10: a great head start, haven't you. But they've got to

1097
00:59:58,947 --> 01:00:00,907
Speaker 10: be good too. They're going to be good at their role,

1098
01:00:01,907 --> 01:00:05,187
Speaker 10: you know. So so TT that's in the same category

1099
01:00:05,307 --> 01:00:09,067
Speaker 10: really is. It is severe, you know, they're in that

1100
01:00:09,187 --> 01:00:12,067
Speaker 10: same and came to a less extent because I think

1101
01:00:12,147 --> 01:00:15,507
Speaker 10: Kane is an out and out open size nothing else,

1102
01:00:15,547 --> 01:00:18,627
Speaker 10: So you know, severe and s TDI I think in

1103
01:00:18,747 --> 01:00:22,627
Speaker 10: the same category, you know, same size. Not big enough

1104
01:00:22,907 --> 01:00:26,587
Speaker 10: to compete in the air for aerial possession against guys

1105
01:00:26,547 --> 01:00:30,347
Speaker 10: who are six foot six to six foot eight, you know.

1106
01:00:30,467 --> 01:00:32,907
Speaker 10: So that's a that's a real dilema at the moment,

1107
01:00:32,947 --> 01:00:36,187
Speaker 10: and I think that's why females playing against Japan.

1108
01:00:37,587 --> 01:00:41,067
Speaker 2: Murray, it's always interesting, very interesting, instructive chatting to you.

1109
01:00:41,187 --> 01:00:44,107
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking taking our call and being so generous

1110
01:00:44,147 --> 01:00:45,547
Speaker 2: with your time, mate, Really appreciate it.

1111
01:00:46,307 --> 01:00:48,587
Speaker 10: No problem. See you, Adam, see you.

1112
01:00:48,547 --> 01:00:52,667
Speaker 2: Alada Murray Murray mixed deep with as always interesting views

1113
01:00:52,867 --> 01:00:55,467
Speaker 2: on the state of rugby. You might have a reaction

1114
01:00:55,547 --> 01:00:57,227
Speaker 2: to what you heard there from Murray. Oh, eight hundred

1115
01:00:57,227 --> 01:01:00,747
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty the loose four trio. Look, I

1116
01:01:00,827 --> 01:01:02,747
Speaker 2: said it a couple of times. I'm not sure they

1117
01:01:02,787 --> 01:01:07,467
Speaker 2: know who the who the next seven is. Can you,

1118
01:01:07,547 --> 01:01:10,307
Speaker 2: with any degree of confidence tell me who will wear

1119
01:01:10,507 --> 01:01:14,547
Speaker 2: the seven jersey beyond this year when Sam Kain is

1120
01:01:14,547 --> 01:01:16,667
Speaker 2: no longer an option Because I think Sam Kaine may

1121
01:01:16,747 --> 01:01:21,627
Speaker 2: well play against England next week, even though he's playing

1122
01:01:21,627 --> 01:01:24,827
Speaker 2: today against Japan. And they've sent on these players to

1123
01:01:27,027 --> 01:01:30,027
Speaker 2: you know, the ten players they've sent on are almost

1124
01:01:30,067 --> 01:01:32,907
Speaker 2: certainly going to play next week. I don't think they've

1125
01:01:32,907 --> 01:01:35,707
Speaker 2: sent on anybody who's a number seven. Artie Save has

1126
01:01:35,707 --> 01:01:38,467
Speaker 2: gone on, but he'll probably part number eight. So who

1127
01:01:38,627 --> 01:01:45,707
Speaker 2: is who is our long term number seven? Maybe we

1128
01:01:45,707 --> 01:01:48,787
Speaker 2: don't need to know yet. Maybe we you know, the

1129
01:01:48,867 --> 01:01:51,987
Speaker 2: whole you know, planning for the future type thing and

1130
01:01:52,027 --> 01:01:53,747
Speaker 2: getting somebody locked in for the next World Cup and

1131
01:01:53,787 --> 01:01:54,827
Speaker 2: all that sort of thing can wait.

1132
01:01:55,307 --> 01:01:55,667
Speaker 9: I don't know.

1133
01:01:55,787 --> 01:01:58,627
Speaker 2: Maybe Peter Larkey's your man. He's coming off the bench

1134
01:01:58,667 --> 01:02:02,187
Speaker 2: for a test deboo tonight, so it's probably putting a

1135
01:02:02,187 --> 01:02:06,987
Speaker 2: little bit of high expectation on Peter Larkeye. But yeah,

1136
01:02:07,107 --> 01:02:09,867
Speaker 2: so maybe we don't need to know. I think Sam

1137
01:02:09,947 --> 01:02:12,667
Speaker 2: kin will probably start it open side next week. And

1138
01:02:12,707 --> 01:02:14,947
Speaker 2: what's happened to Dalton Papa Lee? I know got injured,

1139
01:02:15,627 --> 01:02:17,987
Speaker 2: but he's not on the twenty three for today. I

1140
01:02:18,027 --> 01:02:21,107
Speaker 2: don't think he's been sent on, so I guess he's

1141
01:02:21,187 --> 01:02:23,227
Speaker 2: just is he just waiting? Is he just in Japan?

1142
01:02:23,307 --> 01:02:27,507
Speaker 2: I presume he is. I presume he is, Hey, John, Hey,

1143
01:02:27,507 --> 01:02:28,227
Speaker 2: about how you doing?

1144
01:02:28,667 --> 01:02:28,867
Speaker 15: Great?

1145
01:02:28,907 --> 01:02:29,107
Speaker 10: John?

1146
01:02:29,187 --> 01:02:32,787
Speaker 16: Great, that's the story. He's just a couple of quick things.

1147
01:02:33,627 --> 01:02:36,707
Speaker 16: I think Murray's on the money there actually, And I

1148
01:02:36,827 --> 01:02:39,467
Speaker 16: was just reflecting that I don't really think we've had

1149
01:02:39,467 --> 01:02:45,507
Speaker 16: a blindside since really since Jerome kind of in that mold,

1150
01:02:46,227 --> 01:02:50,547
Speaker 16: and he was an outstanding player in that sort of

1151
01:02:50,907 --> 01:02:55,427
Speaker 16: you know, hard running, defensive sort of guy, and we

1152
01:02:55,547 --> 01:02:58,867
Speaker 16: do lack a bit of that tall timber, particularly against

1153
01:02:58,987 --> 01:03:03,627
Speaker 16: the South Africans. We have guys of a lot sort

1154
01:03:03,667 --> 01:03:08,027
Speaker 16: of similar size. And so yeah, that's my thought on it.

1155
01:03:08,107 --> 01:03:12,107
Speaker 16: And just one other quick comment. You were talking about

1156
01:03:12,107 --> 01:03:17,427
Speaker 16: Tony Brown. I actually think you have to look at

1157
01:03:17,427 --> 01:03:21,507
Speaker 16: the coaching record. And I've thought of this before that

1158
01:03:22,147 --> 01:03:25,267
Speaker 16: even with Jamie Joseph going back to the Highland as

1159
01:03:25,267 --> 01:03:29,027
Speaker 16: his coaching record, it's only like early fifty percent, and

1160
01:03:29,147 --> 01:03:35,867
Speaker 16: Tony Brown's is late forties, so not rarely the coaching records,

1161
01:03:35,867 --> 01:03:38,627
Speaker 16: we should probably be worried about it. I don't think

1162
01:03:38,867 --> 01:03:41,787
Speaker 16: there's a lot said about Tony Brown, but surely it's

1163
01:03:41,827 --> 01:03:43,947
Speaker 16: about producing the results.

1164
01:03:44,227 --> 01:03:47,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think what him going to South

1165
01:03:47,227 --> 01:03:50,067
Speaker 2: Africa is proven though, John, is that when he gets

1166
01:03:50,067 --> 01:03:53,827
Speaker 2: the cattle to work with, he can be a real influence.

1167
01:03:53,827 --> 01:03:55,507
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm not suggesting Tony Brown should be the

1168
01:03:55,547 --> 01:03:57,227
Speaker 2: head coach of the All Blacks. I'm not suggesting that,

1169
01:03:57,467 --> 01:04:00,347
Speaker 2: but I think he has a lot to offer in

1170
01:04:00,387 --> 01:04:02,947
Speaker 2: the attack space you talk about as well. Just back

1171
01:04:02,947 --> 01:04:06,387
Speaker 2: to your first point about Jeron Kinell. I think we

1172
01:04:06,467 --> 01:04:10,427
Speaker 2: were getting there with Shannon Frazelle last year, or I

1173
01:04:10,427 --> 01:04:11,867
Speaker 2: think we were getting there, but then all of a

1174
01:04:11,907 --> 01:04:15,507
Speaker 2: sudden he's off overseas. So yeah, which was a shame really.

1175
01:04:16,867 --> 01:04:17,067
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1176
01:04:17,147 --> 01:04:20,907
Speaker 16: Yeah, and the ability I think back to that final

1177
01:04:21,107 --> 01:04:27,307
Speaker 16: last year. Actually, Barrett actually I thought played pretty well

1178
01:04:27,347 --> 01:04:32,787
Speaker 16: in that situation, and he's another one who could potentially

1179
01:04:33,347 --> 01:04:36,307
Speaker 16: survel on that net blind side role rather than being

1180
01:04:36,307 --> 01:04:39,627
Speaker 16: at lock. You know, he's matured so much as a

1181
01:04:39,627 --> 01:04:42,907
Speaker 16: player that we've got an option there. But we just

1182
01:04:43,067 --> 01:04:45,827
Speaker 16: need the big guys in the middle row more than anything.

1183
01:04:47,187 --> 01:04:49,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd leave I'd leave Scott Barrett where he is.

1184
01:04:50,027 --> 01:04:54,307
Speaker 2: I'd have to say. Yeah. A toopul v one is

1185
01:04:54,347 --> 01:04:56,067
Speaker 2: interesting as well, Thanks John, I appreciate you. Call my

1186
01:04:56,187 --> 01:04:59,827
Speaker 2: drive safe is another interesting one. I've heard that suggested,

1187
01:04:59,867 --> 01:05:02,067
Speaker 2: and I think he has played successn't he for the Chiefs.

1188
01:05:02,747 --> 01:05:04,227
Speaker 2: But you look at him and you think, well, he's

1189
01:05:04,267 --> 01:05:06,627
Speaker 2: been so good at lock this year. He's probably been

1190
01:05:06,667 --> 01:05:10,787
Speaker 2: the best lock this year. But because at the start

1191
01:05:10,827 --> 01:05:12,187
Speaker 2: of the year, ok, okay, well our locks are going

1192
01:05:12,227 --> 01:05:14,347
Speaker 2: to be Scott Barrett and Patrick Towey pilot too with

1193
01:05:14,387 --> 01:05:16,827
Speaker 2: white Lock and Retalic going and to Paul Vy is

1194
01:05:16,907 --> 01:05:18,387
Speaker 2: probably going to be the bloke who comes off the

1195
01:05:18,427 --> 01:05:20,627
Speaker 2: bench most of the time. Now I actually reckon he's

1196
01:05:20,987 --> 01:05:24,547
Speaker 2: ahead of Patrick twy Polot two. He clearly is because

1197
01:05:24,547 --> 01:05:26,867
Speaker 2: he's been sent on. I know, I know Patty Toops

1198
01:05:26,907 --> 01:05:29,187
Speaker 2: has had an injury and all that, but but but

1199
01:05:30,467 --> 01:05:33,547
Speaker 2: Tupul and Scott Barrett will start next week against England.

1200
01:05:33,627 --> 01:05:37,547
Speaker 2: That's clear. So I'd kind of be living too PORV

1201
01:05:37,787 --> 01:05:42,667
Speaker 2: where he is one oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1202
01:05:42,707 --> 01:05:44,627
Speaker 2: eighty bookie taking calls on the rugby if there's an

1203
01:05:44,627 --> 01:05:46,947
Speaker 2: appetite for it. We're back after this on New Stalks B.

1204
01:05:47,987 --> 01:05:51,467
Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on Your Home of Sport Weekend

1205
01:05:51,587 --> 01:05:55,667
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Yin and GJ. Gunners, New Zealand's most

1206
01:05:55,667 --> 01:05:57,507
Speaker 1: trusted home builder News Talks.

1207
01:05:57,427 --> 01:06:00,667
Speaker 2: B one thirty three on weekend sport Dida, don.

1208
01:06:01,867 --> 01:06:05,747
Speaker 18: Ye're gonna I'm done and just wondering. I can't figure

1209
01:06:05,747 --> 01:06:10,507
Speaker 18: out why. I don't even give Hoskins Stituto a run

1210
01:06:10,627 --> 01:06:14,867
Speaker 18: or two, but it seems to be some maybe coach

1211
01:06:14,947 --> 01:06:17,307
Speaker 18: and him don't get along. What do you think is

1212
01:06:17,347 --> 01:06:17,747
Speaker 18: going on?

1213
01:06:18,187 --> 01:06:19,907
Speaker 2: Well, he's injured at the moment, so he can't. He

1214
01:06:20,187 --> 01:06:22,427
Speaker 2: was picked for the All Blacks fifteen tour but has

1215
01:06:22,627 --> 01:06:25,067
Speaker 2: pulled out of that with injury. Dom But I presume

1216
01:06:25,107 --> 01:06:28,227
Speaker 2: you're referring back to the initial All Blacks selection at

1217
01:06:28,227 --> 01:06:30,187
Speaker 2: the start of the year when he was left out altogether.

1218
01:06:31,547 --> 01:06:34,867
Speaker 18: Yeah, and some things he was like he didn't train,

1219
01:06:34,987 --> 01:06:37,947
Speaker 18: didn't come to work on time, kind of things like that.

1220
01:06:37,987 --> 01:06:40,347
Speaker 18: I don't I don't know what's going but anyway, I

1221
01:06:40,707 --> 01:06:41,147
Speaker 18: don't think.

1222
01:06:41,067 --> 01:06:42,547
Speaker 2: There was ever I don't think there was ever any

1223
01:06:42,547 --> 01:06:45,067
Speaker 2: suggestion of that. I think probably, like like anything done.

1224
01:06:45,107 --> 01:06:48,627
Speaker 2: You know, one one coach's you know, rusted on starter

1225
01:06:48,867 --> 01:06:51,827
Speaker 2: is another coach's fringe player, and I just think they

1226
01:06:51,867 --> 01:06:53,507
Speaker 2: went for what was to Titi. I think I don't

1227
01:06:53,507 --> 01:06:58,667
Speaker 2: know whether it was a straight choice between Sotutu and Satiti,

1228
01:06:59,107 --> 01:07:01,187
Speaker 2: but you have to say that what was Titi's made

1229
01:07:01,187 --> 01:07:02,667
Speaker 2: a really good first of his time in the All Blacks.

1230
01:07:02,667 --> 01:07:04,827
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know what's going to happen with Hoskins.

1231
01:07:04,987 --> 01:07:07,507
Speaker 18: Yeah no, no, I don't. I don't see them as

1232
01:07:07,947 --> 01:07:13,907
Speaker 18: what it's Citi is at number eight. He shot the

1233
01:07:13,947 --> 01:07:19,587
Speaker 18: height and Stiti doesn't. That's why I think we want

1234
01:07:19,667 --> 01:07:20,507
Speaker 18: him at the number eight.

1235
01:07:22,187 --> 01:07:24,947
Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, sorry, So so you I think we're

1236
01:07:24,947 --> 01:07:27,187
Speaker 2: getting our names mixed up here. So you would prefer

1237
01:07:27,307 --> 01:07:33,187
Speaker 2: Hoskins Stutu at number eight, Yes, definitely, okay, gotcha. Yeah, Look,

1238
01:07:33,307 --> 01:07:35,387
Speaker 2: and he was terrific there for the Blues, wasn't he

1239
01:07:35,547 --> 01:07:37,107
Speaker 2: Wasn't he done? I mean terrific there.

1240
01:07:37,027 --> 01:07:41,707
Speaker 18: For the blows his position, and you know, Servia is

1241
01:07:41,907 --> 01:07:45,427
Speaker 18: like you know, doesn't have the height requirements of the

1242
01:07:45,427 --> 01:07:49,587
Speaker 18: big It's okay, that's all I can say.

1243
01:07:49,627 --> 01:07:51,947
Speaker 2: Really, no, fair enough to I don't think it matters

1244
01:07:51,987 --> 01:07:54,187
Speaker 2: with Artie. I've got to say. I don't think it.

1245
01:07:54,307 --> 01:07:58,387
Speaker 2: I don't think Artie's height plays a part. There's absolutely

1246
01:07:58,507 --> 01:08:03,307
Speaker 2: no doubt that Ardie Savia has been terrific at number

1247
01:08:03,387 --> 01:08:06,307
Speaker 2: eight for the last couple of years since since he's

1248
01:08:06,387 --> 01:08:09,147
Speaker 2: started playing there. That actually started at the Hurricanes. From memory,

1249
01:08:09,187 --> 01:08:12,907
Speaker 2: Jason Holland put him in at number eight and then

1250
01:08:12,947 --> 01:08:14,827
Speaker 2: that just carried on into the All Blacks because he

1251
01:08:14,867 --> 01:08:17,827
Speaker 2: was playing there in Super Rugby. But I don't think

1252
01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:21,627
Speaker 2: there's any suggestion that Ardie Savira is too short to

1253
01:08:21,667 --> 01:08:23,867
Speaker 2: be a number eight. He wins line out ball, he

1254
01:08:23,987 --> 01:08:26,507
Speaker 2: is a lineout option. He wins line out ball often.

1255
01:08:26,507 --> 01:08:28,987
Speaker 2: He jumps at two and they go to him. So

1256
01:08:29,107 --> 01:08:31,427
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that there's any suggestion of that. But

1257
01:08:31,787 --> 01:08:33,947
Speaker 2: I know what there is a suggestion of is whether

1258
01:08:34,427 --> 01:08:36,867
Speaker 2: at some point he should go back to the number

1259
01:08:36,907 --> 01:08:40,707
Speaker 2: seven jersey. And maybe that's what happens next year when

1260
01:08:40,787 --> 01:08:43,707
Speaker 2: Cain goes. Maybe Savea is yet seven and then you

1261
01:08:43,747 --> 01:08:48,787
Speaker 2: start looking at Wallace Stiti or Hoskins Stutu or somebody

1262
01:08:48,827 --> 01:08:53,107
Speaker 2: else at number eight. But I have to say I

1263
01:08:53,147 --> 01:08:55,427
Speaker 2: would love to see at some stage, and we may

1264
01:08:55,507 --> 01:08:58,027
Speaker 2: this year, who knows. I would love to see this

1265
01:08:58,147 --> 01:09:03,667
Speaker 2: year Ardie Savia and Wallace Stiti start a Test match

1266
01:09:03,747 --> 01:09:09,107
Speaker 2: together in the seven and eight jerseys. I mean, I

1267
01:09:09,147 --> 01:09:11,787
Speaker 2: know they've done it in the six and eight jerseys,

1268
01:09:12,307 --> 01:09:14,067
Speaker 2: but I would like to see them start together in

1269
01:09:14,107 --> 01:09:18,827
Speaker 2: the seven and eight jerseys and in that situation. I'd

1270
01:09:18,827 --> 01:09:21,667
Speaker 2: probably have Satiti at number eight because, as I said before,

1271
01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:25,067
Speaker 2: it doesn't actually matter what Jersey Ardie Savie has on.

1272
01:09:25,507 --> 01:09:29,827
Speaker 2: He just blays the same way he comes off the

1273
01:09:29,827 --> 01:09:31,227
Speaker 2: back of the scrum with a ball, or if he's

1274
01:09:31,227 --> 01:09:33,467
Speaker 2: off the side of the scrum in an attacking or

1275
01:09:33,467 --> 01:09:40,187
Speaker 2: a defensive situation. Utterly effective, utterly effective. Joey says, what

1276
01:09:40,307 --> 01:09:44,547
Speaker 2: about this Satiti at six, ARETI at seven, So two

1277
01:09:44,547 --> 01:09:47,307
Speaker 2: tou at eight. We're not going to see it this year,

1278
01:09:47,347 --> 01:09:52,627
Speaker 2: obviously with Hoskins Stutu injured, but that wouldn't be a

1279
01:09:52,627 --> 01:09:56,027
Speaker 2: bad loose trio. At some point, I get the feeling

1280
01:09:56,187 --> 01:10:01,187
Speaker 2: someone like Ethan Blackadder will be a solution at six,

1281
01:10:02,427 --> 01:10:04,187
Speaker 2: although he's played a bit of seven too, hasn't he

1282
01:10:04,227 --> 01:10:09,427
Speaker 2: started against Fiji in the open side jumper sixers, sevens

1283
01:10:09,427 --> 01:10:12,707
Speaker 2: and eights. We're not at sixers and sevens yet, I

1284
01:10:12,707 --> 01:10:14,747
Speaker 2: don't think. But we've got lots of options. Hello, Phil,

1285
01:10:16,347 --> 01:10:16,707
Speaker 2: get a.

1286
01:10:16,747 --> 01:10:23,027
Speaker 19: Pointy Yeah, okay, I'm good, excellent, excellent, Yeah I was.

1287
01:10:23,427 --> 01:10:28,427
Speaker 19: I listened to a interview with Murray Mexty and I

1288
01:10:28,547 --> 01:10:31,627
Speaker 19: was quite thrilled. I found it really interested, really good.

1289
01:10:32,227 --> 01:10:34,707
Speaker 19: I don't know, I don't have the knowledge and depth

1290
01:10:34,707 --> 01:10:37,947
Speaker 19: of a lot of your callers and yourself with the

1291
01:10:37,987 --> 01:10:40,427
Speaker 19: specifics of the players and the roles and that. But

1292
01:10:41,227 --> 01:10:44,467
Speaker 19: I I thought he was on the money because it's

1293
01:10:44,467 --> 01:10:47,707
Speaker 19: something that I've kind of thought about over the last

1294
01:10:47,707 --> 01:10:50,867
Speaker 19: few years watching, you know, because growing up loving the

1295
01:10:50,907 --> 01:10:53,787
Speaker 19: All Blacks and watching the All Blacks from from day

1296
01:10:53,827 --> 01:10:57,267
Speaker 19: one sort of thing, And over the last few years

1297
01:10:57,267 --> 01:11:01,507
Speaker 19: I have actually wondered in my mind that are we

1298
01:11:01,867 --> 01:11:06,867
Speaker 19: lacking the height you know that we need when we

1299
01:11:06,987 --> 01:11:09,827
Speaker 19: come up against the big teams now, like like he

1300
01:11:09,987 --> 01:11:14,987
Speaker 19: was saying, like you're England and your France and your Irish,

1301
01:11:15,627 --> 01:11:20,387
Speaker 19: like they have massive joyt South Africans as well, especially

1302
01:11:20,427 --> 01:11:22,667
Speaker 19: South Africans. I'm not kind of a hunder so about

1303
01:11:22,707 --> 01:11:26,667
Speaker 19: the Irish, but the English, South African Africans and the French,

1304
01:11:27,147 --> 01:11:29,827
Speaker 19: they have these colossal giant locks now you know that

1305
01:11:29,907 --> 01:11:32,307
Speaker 19: the bloody six foot anoying sort of thing that have

1306
01:11:32,427 --> 01:11:34,427
Speaker 19: the height and are good in the year. And I

1307
01:11:34,507 --> 01:11:38,267
Speaker 19: can't wonder, like he was saying, can he put it

1308
01:11:38,307 --> 01:11:40,387
Speaker 19: so much better than I ever could, that we just

1309
01:11:40,667 --> 01:11:45,067
Speaker 19: maybe are lacking that height that we maybe used to

1310
01:11:45,107 --> 01:11:49,307
Speaker 19: have in the past against the teams, but these other

1311
01:11:49,387 --> 01:11:52,547
Speaker 19: teams nations have got so much bigger with the with

1312
01:11:52,667 --> 01:11:55,427
Speaker 19: the big locks. You know, maybe not so much in

1313
01:11:55,507 --> 01:11:58,027
Speaker 19: the seven eight like you were saying about, doesn't matter

1314
01:11:58,067 --> 01:12:01,267
Speaker 19: so much in that position at the moment where with

1315
01:12:01,427 --> 01:12:04,427
Speaker 19: severe and situtu and that sort of thing, but definitely

1316
01:12:04,427 --> 01:12:05,667
Speaker 19: in the locks, I think, you know.

1317
01:12:06,747 --> 01:12:09,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was listening to Maury talk about selection

1318
01:12:10,147 --> 01:12:12,267
Speaker 2: phil and I was thinking, well, he can only select

1319
01:12:12,307 --> 01:12:14,907
Speaker 2: what he's got. And you know, it seems to me

1320
01:12:14,907 --> 01:12:17,547
Speaker 2: as though, I don't know, this is probably not true,

1321
01:12:17,547 --> 01:12:19,427
Speaker 2: but it seems as though there's just an endless supply

1322
01:12:19,507 --> 01:12:22,627
Speaker 2: of six fort eight, six foot nine massive men in

1323
01:12:22,707 --> 01:12:25,107
Speaker 2: South Africa, and we just don't have that here. We

1324
01:12:25,267 --> 01:12:27,627
Speaker 2: just don't know. Whether they're eating bigger steaks than us,

1325
01:12:27,667 --> 01:12:30,467
Speaker 2: I don't know, but but it seems as though if one,

1326
01:12:30,627 --> 01:12:32,547
Speaker 2: if one drops out, there's another one ready to take

1327
01:12:32,547 --> 01:12:34,947
Speaker 2: his place. We're over here, we just don't have that.

1328
01:12:36,267 --> 01:12:39,987
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, there must eat those bars over

1329
01:12:39,987 --> 01:12:43,147
Speaker 19: and South Africa. But I also think, and I think

1330
01:12:43,187 --> 01:12:47,307
Speaker 19: the same seems to be true for France and England.

1331
01:12:47,347 --> 01:12:50,587
Speaker 19: You know, they just seem to produce. Maybe it's just

1332
01:12:50,627 --> 01:12:53,667
Speaker 19: a population thing, you know, pure population thing that, you know,

1333
01:12:53,707 --> 01:12:56,827
Speaker 19: because they've got so many more people to choose from,

1334
01:12:56,867 --> 01:12:58,827
Speaker 19: you know, they just the ration now is, you know,

1335
01:12:58,867 --> 01:13:02,107
Speaker 19: they're just going to have more bigger men sort of thing.

1336
01:13:02,187 --> 01:13:04,627
Speaker 19: But like you say, we don't seem to have that

1337
01:13:04,747 --> 01:13:08,507
Speaker 19: option here in New Zealand. But those countries France and

1338
01:13:08,667 --> 01:13:11,627
Speaker 19: England and France, I think is a bit like South

1339
01:13:11,667 --> 01:13:15,867
Speaker 19: Africa Frances, they seem to have a produced giant locks

1340
01:13:15,907 --> 01:13:20,027
Speaker 19: as well, you know from nowhere, from one one after another.

1341
01:13:20,867 --> 01:13:23,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, and look, I'm sure Razor would love to

1342
01:13:23,907 --> 01:13:28,427
Speaker 2: have that that that supply line, but yeah, at the moment,

1343
01:13:28,507 --> 01:13:29,947
Speaker 2: he can only go with what he's got and that's

1344
01:13:29,947 --> 01:13:32,147
Speaker 2: probably why he's having you know, he's having a play

1345
01:13:32,147 --> 01:13:34,747
Speaker 2: with a few people in terms of where they play.

1346
01:13:35,627 --> 01:13:38,707
Speaker 2: Corey is another guy who's been been talked about. Another

1347
01:13:38,827 --> 01:13:41,987
Speaker 2: lock really I think, but a guy who could play six.

1348
01:13:42,027 --> 01:13:43,187
Speaker 2: Thanks philp appreciate your call.

1349
01:13:43,707 --> 01:13:48,907
Speaker 20: Andy high Hey, funny. Yeah, I've always been the just

1350
01:13:49,547 --> 01:13:52,227
Speaker 20: system to mix. I've all has been interested by Scott

1351
01:13:52,307 --> 01:13:55,587
Speaker 20: Therecter has never given a shot at eight. I thought

1352
01:13:55,627 --> 01:13:57,947
Speaker 20: he's found I mean, he's a really good lock and

1353
01:13:57,987 --> 01:14:01,227
Speaker 20: we need locks, but rather than seven, I thought he's founded.

1354
01:14:01,267 --> 01:14:04,547
Speaker 20: But at seven in the World Cup against against the Tooms,

1355
01:14:05,427 --> 01:14:07,707
Speaker 20: you know you have the likes of Zim van Brooke,

1356
01:14:07,827 --> 01:14:11,307
Speaker 20: big said, and at let already go down to the side.

1357
01:14:11,987 --> 01:14:15,147
Speaker 20: Have they ever thought of putting Scott Barrett at the back?

1358
01:14:15,747 --> 01:14:18,387
Speaker 2: I've never heard of it, heard it, suggested Andy. I've

1359
01:14:18,467 --> 01:14:20,627
Speaker 2: never I think the only the only switch was ever

1360
01:14:20,667 --> 01:14:24,387
Speaker 2: from Locke to Blindside because of his physical size. I

1361
01:14:24,387 --> 01:14:29,067
Speaker 2: don't know. I've never heard or seen Scott Barrett suggested

1362
01:14:29,107 --> 01:14:31,907
Speaker 2: as a number eight. But he'd be a pretty physically

1363
01:14:31,947 --> 01:14:33,907
Speaker 2: imposing bloke coming off the back of the scrum with

1364
01:14:33,947 --> 01:14:34,507
Speaker 2: Bord and hand On.

1365
01:14:34,547 --> 01:14:35,867
Speaker 9: I mentioned, yes.

1366
01:14:35,947 --> 01:14:37,667
Speaker 20: Here, you know you had what I do for Sea

1367
01:14:37,667 --> 01:14:42,587
Speaker 20: and and Zuzan and and Murray, you'd be pretty good.

1368
01:14:42,627 --> 01:14:44,027
Speaker 10: I thought, Yeah, it's.

1369
01:14:43,907 --> 01:14:45,667
Speaker 2: A good point. Andy, yep, no, good on you mate.

1370
01:14:45,667 --> 01:14:48,227
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in. I appreciate it. Got to move

1371
01:14:48,227 --> 01:14:50,307
Speaker 2: and get across the Tasman, but do appreciate you taking

1372
01:14:50,347 --> 01:14:52,987
Speaker 2: the time on your long weekend eighteen away from two

1373
01:14:52,987 --> 01:14:55,227
Speaker 2: when we come back. Adam Peacock in Australia.

1374
01:14:56,107 --> 01:14:59,867
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after Fields Call eight hundred

1375
01:14:59,987 --> 01:15:02,587
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

1376
01:15:02,307 --> 01:15:06,667
Speaker 3: Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's first trusted home, Milder.

1377
01:15:06,467 --> 01:15:09,947
Speaker 2: News Talks, BB News Talks AB it's one forty five

1378
01:15:10,267 --> 01:15:12,027
Speaker 2: pretty much on the dot. So let's get you across

1379
01:15:12,027 --> 01:15:15,147
Speaker 2: the testament. Adam Peacock are Australian correspondent. How are you mate?

1380
01:15:15,627 --> 01:15:15,907
Speaker 9: Good?

1381
01:15:15,907 --> 01:15:17,787
Speaker 17: Tiny yourself on very good.

1382
01:15:17,627 --> 01:15:19,787
Speaker 2: Things, very good? A couple of issues to kick around

1383
01:15:19,787 --> 01:15:23,987
Speaker 2: with you. David Warner free to captain Australian cricket teams again.

1384
01:15:24,027 --> 01:15:25,667
Speaker 2: How has this been received?

1385
01:15:27,627 --> 01:15:30,187
Speaker 17: It was a story that kind of wasn't really in

1386
01:15:30,187 --> 01:15:35,107
Speaker 17: the national consciousness before Cricket Australia came out and with

1387
01:15:35,227 --> 01:15:38,067
Speaker 17: a statement out of nowhere saying life to hand lifted.

1388
01:15:39,147 --> 01:15:42,507
Speaker 17: I was under this understanding that it was done oh

1389
01:15:42,667 --> 01:15:43,187
Speaker 17: months ago.

1390
01:15:43,387 --> 01:15:43,747
Speaker 10: It was.

1391
01:15:43,867 --> 01:15:46,267
Speaker 17: It was all okay. And I actually had on a

1392
01:15:46,267 --> 01:15:48,587
Speaker 17: podcast over here Trent Copeland, who has just taken over

1393
01:15:48,667 --> 01:15:51,627
Speaker 17: the GM role with Sydney Thunder, and I asked him

1394
01:15:51,747 --> 01:15:53,747
Speaker 17: point blank and said does this mean Davey cam captain?

1395
01:15:53,907 --> 01:15:55,987
Speaker 17: And he was kind of coy and started laughing about it.

1396
01:15:56,067 --> 01:15:57,867
Speaker 17: He goes, oh, we'll have those discussions when we get

1397
01:15:57,907 --> 01:16:00,507
Speaker 17: closer to the season. Now, to me, that sounds like

1398
01:16:00,547 --> 01:16:02,747
Speaker 17: It was always going to be that Dave Dave Warn

1399
01:16:02,747 --> 01:16:05,187
Speaker 17: who was going to captain the Sydney Thunder at this

1400
01:16:05,707 --> 01:16:08,547
Speaker 17: Big Bash edition. So I don't think it's an issue.

1401
01:16:09,107 --> 01:16:12,307
Speaker 17: Look what happened in Cape Town was obviously horrible and

1402
01:16:12,347 --> 01:16:14,747
Speaker 17: it was bad for Australian cricket and a light got

1403
01:16:14,787 --> 01:16:17,507
Speaker 17: sean where a light should have been shown a while ago.

1404
01:16:18,107 --> 01:16:21,107
Speaker 17: It's done, it's over, everyone's moved on. Steve Smith has

1405
01:16:21,107 --> 01:16:23,947
Speaker 17: captain Australia since so why couldn't Davey. So do you go?

1406
01:16:24,347 --> 01:16:26,187
Speaker 17: I don't think he's going to captain Australia, but he's

1407
01:16:26,227 --> 01:16:28,467
Speaker 17: definitely going to be able to captain some big budge

1408
01:16:28,627 --> 01:16:29,707
Speaker 17: Bash cricket, which is good.

1409
01:16:30,947 --> 01:16:33,547
Speaker 2: He's even still in the Australian Does he still play

1410
01:16:33,587 --> 01:16:36,027
Speaker 2: T twenty cricket for Australia for the national team or not?

1411
01:16:36,067 --> 01:16:38,907
Speaker 2: Does he just now big Bash kind of freelance, you know,

1412
01:16:39,107 --> 01:16:41,307
Speaker 2: go around the world play for whoever kind of playing out.

1413
01:16:41,947 --> 01:16:44,987
Speaker 17: Yeah, he's I think he's available for T twenty cricket

1414
01:16:46,067 --> 01:16:48,307
Speaker 17: for the national team and he's probably going to be

1415
01:16:48,347 --> 01:16:51,067
Speaker 17: chosen if if the team was picked tomorrow, for instance,

1416
01:16:51,827 --> 01:16:55,067
Speaker 17: they're playing Pakistan in a two twenty series soon. I

1417
01:16:55,107 --> 01:16:57,547
Speaker 17: can't remember if he was selected. There so much happens

1418
01:16:57,547 --> 01:17:00,827
Speaker 17: in cricket, but put it this way, and the kind

1419
01:17:00,827 --> 01:17:02,627
Speaker 17: of cycles of it dormant at the moment because there's

1420
01:17:02,667 --> 01:17:05,187
Speaker 17: not a World Cup on the horizon. We've just had

1421
01:17:05,187 --> 01:17:08,227
Speaker 17: one of those. But if he's still going good in

1422
01:17:08,347 --> 01:17:11,227
Speaker 17: franchise cricket, there's no reason why he wouldn't be in consideration,

1423
01:17:11,307 --> 01:17:13,827
Speaker 17: I think for a T twenty World Cup, but beyond that,

1424
01:17:13,947 --> 01:17:17,147
Speaker 17: no fifty over World Cup. He threw something flipping out

1425
01:17:17,187 --> 01:17:19,627
Speaker 17: this week about oh yeah, if they can't decide on

1426
01:17:19,707 --> 01:17:22,867
Speaker 17: a Test, I'm still available. That's not going to happen.

1427
01:17:23,707 --> 01:17:25,787
Speaker 17: I think he was having a bit of fun with

1428
01:17:25,787 --> 01:17:29,027
Speaker 17: that one. But yeah, he's still around Australian cricket and

1429
01:17:29,027 --> 01:17:30,707
Speaker 17: he's going to commentate a lot this summer as well,

1430
01:17:30,747 --> 01:17:33,067
Speaker 17: so it'd be interesting to hear his observations.

1431
01:17:32,427 --> 01:17:32,827
Speaker 10: On the game.

1432
01:17:33,267 --> 01:17:39,067
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Did you catch this Western Australian collapse against tas

1433
01:17:39,107 --> 01:17:41,907
Speaker 2: Mayna at the Wacker? Did they lose eight wickets for

1434
01:17:41,987 --> 01:17:44,307
Speaker 2: one run and that one run was a wide?

1435
01:17:44,827 --> 01:17:48,307
Speaker 17: I think it was nine for one if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,

1436
01:17:48,507 --> 01:17:50,907
Speaker 17: it was like six ducks in a row and I

1437
01:17:50,947 --> 01:17:52,827
Speaker 17: watched it and it was it was horrible. It was

1438
01:17:52,827 --> 01:17:57,987
Speaker 17: a mix between great bowling and some brainless batting. So yeah,

1439
01:17:58,587 --> 01:18:02,027
Speaker 17: that is so unw with. They have been the benchmark

1440
01:18:02,067 --> 01:18:04,307
Speaker 17: for Australian domestic cricket over the last three years. They

1441
01:18:04,387 --> 01:18:06,827
Speaker 17: basically won everything if they don't want it, trophy there

1442
01:18:06,867 --> 01:18:09,427
Speaker 17: in the finals. So how this has come about I

1443
01:18:09,507 --> 01:18:13,347
Speaker 17: do not know, because they've produced the glut of Australian

1444
01:18:13,347 --> 01:18:16,027
Speaker 17: debutantes in the last five ten years as far as

1445
01:18:16,027 --> 01:18:18,227
Speaker 17: the men side of things go. So this is very

1446
01:18:18,307 --> 01:18:20,747
Speaker 17: much an outliner. And it was against Daszy, so Tazzy

1447
01:18:20,747 --> 01:18:23,947
Speaker 17: beat him in Sorry Wa won the Shield last year

1448
01:18:23,947 --> 01:18:28,387
Speaker 17: the Shield Final against Tasmania in the West and a

1449
01:18:28,427 --> 01:18:29,867
Speaker 17: couple of months later they came out and do that

1450
01:18:29,907 --> 01:18:30,547
Speaker 17: in a one day game.

1451
01:18:30,547 --> 01:18:33,747
Speaker 2: It was pretty funny, absolutely crazy stuff, all right. A

1452
01:18:33,787 --> 01:18:37,467
Speaker 2: couple of other matters, there's some rugby league double hitter

1453
01:18:37,507 --> 01:18:40,467
Speaker 2: and christ Church tomorrow our men and women against the

1454
01:18:40,507 --> 01:18:43,187
Speaker 2: Australian men and women. Has this got any cut through

1455
01:18:43,387 --> 01:18:44,507
Speaker 2: on your side of the tesman?

1456
01:18:45,747 --> 01:18:49,227
Speaker 17: Not a heap like it's still got some attention, but

1457
01:18:49,307 --> 01:18:54,027
Speaker 17: it hasn't really. It's not the forefront of rugby league stories.

1458
01:18:54,027 --> 01:18:56,667
Speaker 17: This week there's more stories about player movement within the

1459
01:18:56,787 --> 01:18:59,867
Speaker 17: NRL and this goes to show where the priorities are

1460
01:18:59,907 --> 01:19:03,147
Speaker 17: again for international rugby league. It is not the priority.

1461
01:19:03,307 --> 01:19:05,427
Speaker 17: It's still something good and don't get me wrong. I

1462
01:19:05,467 --> 01:19:09,227
Speaker 17: mean the game against Tongo last week still rated I

1463
01:19:09,267 --> 01:19:13,187
Speaker 17: think one point five million overall when you're some some

1464
01:19:13,227 --> 01:19:14,947
Speaker 17: of them all up around the country. We're watching the

1465
01:19:14,947 --> 01:19:17,827
Speaker 17: game at some point, so they're pretty good ratings. Not

1466
01:19:17,827 --> 01:19:20,667
Speaker 17: to be sniffed up, but it's yeah, it's not from

1467
01:19:20,747 --> 01:19:22,427
Speaker 17: page back page butt it that way, far from it.

1468
01:19:22,467 --> 01:19:23,347
Speaker 17: What's it like over there?

1469
01:19:24,067 --> 01:19:26,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a little bit the same. It's a

1470
01:19:26,947 --> 01:19:28,627
Speaker 2: kind of a funny time for it as well. You know,

1471
01:19:28,667 --> 01:19:31,747
Speaker 2: the NRL season obviously captures a lot of attention and

1472
01:19:31,787 --> 01:19:33,467
Speaker 2: then there's been you know, a bit of a break

1473
01:19:33,507 --> 01:19:35,507
Speaker 2: and people sort of forget about rugby league and you

1474
01:19:35,547 --> 01:19:37,667
Speaker 2: know we're thinking about cricket and other bits and pieces now.

1475
01:19:37,667 --> 01:19:40,467
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's but look, I think the game, the

1476
01:19:40,547 --> 01:19:43,787
Speaker 2: games plural Tomorrow and christ Church are sold out, so

1477
01:19:43,867 --> 01:19:47,027
Speaker 2: that's a good sign. And yeah, I think you know

1478
01:19:47,267 --> 01:19:50,387
Speaker 2: tomorrow will feature on the radio and look forward to it.

1479
01:19:50,427 --> 01:19:54,707
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's not like it's not absolutely front page

1480
01:19:54,747 --> 01:19:56,427
Speaker 2: back page news, but like your side of the task,

1481
01:19:56,467 --> 01:19:58,507
Speaker 2: but maybe a little bit more over here because we're hosting.

1482
01:19:59,307 --> 01:20:01,307
Speaker 17: Yeah, and this is the time of view where everyone

1483
01:20:01,347 --> 01:20:03,787
Speaker 17: kind of branches off and you know that we pay

1484
01:20:03,827 --> 01:20:06,307
Speaker 17: a lot of attention to footy codes in the winter.

1485
01:20:06,507 --> 01:20:09,267
Speaker 17: But as you say, cricket, a league football, if you're

1486
01:20:09,267 --> 01:20:12,547
Speaker 17: into that, which I mean you definitely are horse racing,

1487
01:20:12,627 --> 01:20:17,067
Speaker 17: Big Cox plait here today down in Melbourne, motor racing.

1488
01:20:17,227 --> 01:20:20,067
Speaker 17: Baptist was on a couple of weeks ago. So yeah,

1489
01:20:20,107 --> 01:20:22,667
Speaker 17: it's when you go and tap into your other interests

1490
01:20:22,667 --> 01:20:24,107
Speaker 17: as well this time of the year, so it's hard

1491
01:20:24,147 --> 01:20:26,227
Speaker 17: to kind of pay attention in that. There's got a

1492
01:20:26,267 --> 01:20:27,827
Speaker 17: lot of focus over six months.

1493
01:20:28,027 --> 01:20:30,587
Speaker 2: Indeed, just bore we go mention a leg there. We

1494
01:20:30,627 --> 01:20:33,107
Speaker 2: spoke last week. I was at the Auckland FC the

1495
01:20:33,267 --> 01:20:36,227
Speaker 2: very first game for Auckland FC. Are really good occasion.

1496
01:20:36,307 --> 01:20:38,307
Speaker 2: You were at the Sydney Derby last Saturday night?

1497
01:20:38,307 --> 01:20:38,787
Speaker 9: How was that?

1498
01:20:39,467 --> 01:20:39,667
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1499
01:20:39,787 --> 01:20:42,947
Speaker 17: Likewise it was great, great occasion, good atmosphere, open game,

1500
01:20:43,947 --> 01:20:46,867
Speaker 17: interesting game. I think Sydney would a better side and

1501
01:20:46,867 --> 01:20:48,987
Speaker 17: they got the result, but Western Sydney found a way

1502
01:20:49,027 --> 01:20:52,227
Speaker 17: to make it, make it close towards the end in

1503
01:20:52,227 --> 01:20:55,347
Speaker 17: Sydney are the one I can honestly say the Sydney

1504
01:20:55,387 --> 01:20:57,707
Speaker 17: Auckland Grand Final if we sat here right now. Auckland

1505
01:20:57,747 --> 01:20:59,787
Speaker 17: have got a great squad and if they're going to

1506
01:20:59,787 --> 01:21:02,827
Speaker 17: get support like that, you tell me piney are they

1507
01:21:02,867 --> 01:21:06,107
Speaker 17: going to get that in their sixth seventh home game

1508
01:21:06,427 --> 01:21:08,907
Speaker 17: kind of atmosphere? That's the trick to the administration. That's

1509
01:21:08,947 --> 01:21:11,347
Speaker 17: what they're aiming for. But you've got to Melbourne Derby

1510
01:21:11,387 --> 01:21:13,427
Speaker 17: here tonight as well. I'll be watching that that'll go

1511
01:21:13,467 --> 01:21:16,427
Speaker 17: off down in Melbourne. But yeah, Auckland, you reckon they'll

1512
01:21:16,427 --> 01:21:19,227
Speaker 17: be able to maintain that kind of atmosphere because if

1513
01:21:19,227 --> 01:21:21,027
Speaker 17: they do, it's just a wonderful thing for the Alay.

1514
01:21:21,427 --> 01:21:23,987
Speaker 2: I think they will. Yeah, I actually do think that

1515
01:21:24,067 --> 01:21:28,187
Speaker 2: they will. Obviously Sydney are there tomorrow, so it's Auckland

1516
01:21:28,187 --> 01:21:30,747
Speaker 2: the FC Sydney you see tomorrow, the Corrika Derby as

1517
01:21:30,747 --> 01:21:34,547
Speaker 2: they're calling it. You know, I've heard very very positive

1518
01:21:35,227 --> 01:21:37,947
Speaker 2: messaging around ticket sales fmorrow. It's a long weekend here

1519
01:21:37,987 --> 01:21:41,067
Speaker 2: in New Zealand, so I few people have left Auckland

1520
01:21:41,067 --> 01:21:43,067
Speaker 2: and gone to you know, far flung places to their

1521
01:21:43,227 --> 01:21:45,387
Speaker 2: holiday batches and things like that. But no, I'm hearing

1522
01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:48,067
Speaker 2: good things and yeah, man, if they can, if they

1523
01:21:48,067 --> 01:21:50,387
Speaker 2: can recapture it across as you say, across a twelve

1524
01:21:50,427 --> 01:21:53,307
Speaker 2: to thirteen game home season, then yeah, no reason why

1525
01:21:53,347 --> 01:21:55,147
Speaker 2: they can't continue the momentum.

1526
01:21:55,587 --> 01:21:57,427
Speaker 17: And that's the thing about a leagu football. If you

1527
01:21:57,507 --> 01:21:59,867
Speaker 17: turn on the television, and with all due respect to

1528
01:21:59,867 --> 01:22:01,707
Speaker 17: some other clubs, and you turn it on and all

1529
01:22:01,707 --> 01:22:03,867
Speaker 17: you can see is empty seats because that's aside, the

1530
01:22:03,907 --> 01:22:05,707
Speaker 17: sun's on, it's too hot to sit in that, and

1531
01:22:05,747 --> 01:22:08,747
Speaker 17: the atmosphere doesn't really sing through the television. Immediately you're

1532
01:22:08,747 --> 01:22:11,707
Speaker 17: put on the back foot, subconsciously, consciously, all of that.

1533
01:22:11,907 --> 01:22:14,867
Speaker 17: But you turn it on and the things jumping. Immediately

1534
01:22:14,947 --> 01:22:16,747
Speaker 17: you think, oh, this football's all right, no matter what's

1535
01:22:16,787 --> 01:22:20,387
Speaker 17: going on on the rectangle with the eleven classes against

1536
01:22:20,387 --> 01:22:25,027
Speaker 17: eleven players that you you're fed. Your senses are said

1537
01:22:25,067 --> 01:22:28,387
Speaker 17: by what's happening with the crowd, so hopefully organ I'm

1538
01:22:28,427 --> 01:22:31,347
Speaker 17: humped about watching it all. Wellington Derby ever they got

1539
01:22:31,347 --> 01:22:32,987
Speaker 17: the name of it, Pew Classic or.

1540
01:22:32,987 --> 01:22:35,827
Speaker 2: Something that's a that's a terrible name, isn't it. That's

1541
01:22:35,827 --> 01:22:37,947
Speaker 2: an awful I can tell you I can tell it

1542
01:22:38,027 --> 01:22:40,147
Speaker 2: right now. We're up for using that in television commentary.

1543
01:22:41,947 --> 01:22:44,187
Speaker 2: We'll think of something much better than that. Hey, better

1544
01:22:44,227 --> 01:22:45,747
Speaker 2: fly and I'm always good to jet to you mate.

1545
01:22:45,787 --> 01:22:49,147
Speaker 2: Let's do it again next Saturday. Good thanks byning tug

1546
01:22:49,147 --> 01:22:51,787
Speaker 2: it mate, by that's Adam Peacock. Seven to two News

1547
01:22:51,787 --> 01:22:54,947
Speaker 2: Talks in News Talk, hipp and Weekend Sport. What are

1548
01:22:54,987 --> 01:22:57,867
Speaker 2: we coming up? Four away from two after two o'clock,

1549
01:22:57,907 --> 01:23:00,827
Speaker 2: Scott Styrus gonna join us. We could win a TES

1550
01:23:00,907 --> 01:23:03,547
Speaker 2: series in India for the first time ever, first time

1551
01:23:03,627 --> 01:23:07,947
Speaker 2: ever and we got there through the bowling of Mitchell Centiner.

1552
01:23:08,227 --> 01:23:11,827
Speaker 2: Incredible sentence to say. But keen to chat to Scott

1553
01:23:11,867 --> 01:23:14,267
Speaker 2: Cyrus about that and look at prospects for day three

1554
01:23:15,107 --> 01:23:18,187
Speaker 2: but later on and prospects for the Bunnings MPC final

1555
01:23:18,227 --> 01:23:20,707
Speaker 2: Wellington Bay of plenty will do that as well. After two.

1556
01:23:22,147 --> 01:23:26,427
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1557
01:23:27,107 --> 01:23:32,067
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1558
01:23:32,147 --> 01:23:35,867
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1559
01:23:36,387 --> 01:23:36,987
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1560
01:23:36,987 --> 01:23:37,267
Speaker 10: It'd be.

1561
01:23:38,947 --> 01:23:42,107
Speaker 2: Two o seven for an hour away or just under

1562
01:23:42,147 --> 01:23:45,187
Speaker 2: an hour away from kickoff in the Bunnings MPC Final.

1563
01:23:46,027 --> 01:23:48,187
Speaker 2: It's for twenty twenty four Wellings and against Bay of

1564
01:23:48,227 --> 01:23:50,787
Speaker 2: Plenty sky Stadium in the Capitol. We'll get you there

1565
01:23:50,827 --> 01:23:54,107
Speaker 2: before three o'clock with our commentary team from gold Sport

1566
01:23:54,147 --> 01:23:58,867
Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio, Ross Bond, Shannon Paku and Matt Buck. It's

1567
01:23:58,947 --> 01:24:01,907
Speaker 2: just started to rain. Well, it hasn't just started. It

1568
01:24:01,947 --> 01:24:04,347
Speaker 2: started a little while ago. They're trying to get a

1569
01:24:04,347 --> 01:24:06,667
Speaker 2: game of cricket at the basin. They're off the for

1570
01:24:06,707 --> 01:24:09,507
Speaker 2: That won't affect the rugby, of course, but it will

1571
01:24:09,507 --> 01:24:12,867
Speaker 2: be a bit in clement at sky Stadium when that

1572
01:24:12,907 --> 01:24:17,467
Speaker 2: game gets underway. Speaking off cricket, We're going to win

1573
01:24:17,467 --> 01:24:20,227
Speaker 2: a Test series in India, aren't we. This is mad,

1574
01:24:20,947 --> 01:24:25,587
Speaker 2: absolutely crazy that, off the back of a very very

1575
01:24:25,627 --> 01:24:31,187
Speaker 2: mediocre showing in Sri Lanka, that we should go to India,

1576
01:24:31,227 --> 01:24:33,387
Speaker 2: of all places, one of the hardest places to win

1577
01:24:34,147 --> 01:24:37,467
Speaker 2: test matches, win the first one and be in a

1578
01:24:37,667 --> 01:24:40,587
Speaker 2: terrifically strong position after two days of the second test.

1579
01:24:40,787 --> 01:24:44,107
Speaker 2: Scott Styrus on that in just a second, your cause

1580
01:24:44,147 --> 01:24:46,027
Speaker 2: and correspondence welcome. In fact, I quite like to chat

1581
01:24:46,027 --> 01:24:48,747
Speaker 2: the cricket with you. I watched that yesterday with a

1582
01:24:48,787 --> 01:24:53,867
Speaker 2: growing sense of bewilderments really that Mitchell sat was running

1583
01:24:53,907 --> 01:25:00,067
Speaker 2: through India crazy stuff, crazy in a good way, though

1584
01:25:00,307 --> 01:25:02,227
Speaker 2: crazy in a very good way. Oh, eight hundred and

1585
01:25:02,227 --> 01:25:04,307
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty As always as our number nineteen ninety

1586
01:25:04,307 --> 01:25:07,547
Speaker 2: two for a text message. But as we approach a

1587
01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:10,027
Speaker 2: pass two, as we always do, time to keep you

1588
01:25:10,107 --> 01:25:11,787
Speaker 2: up to date with the stuff that might have escaped

1589
01:25:11,827 --> 01:25:14,267
Speaker 2: your attention over the last little while, the things that

1590
01:25:14,347 --> 01:25:17,427
Speaker 2: perhaps you've missed. We call it in Kasha mist It.

1591
01:25:17,427 --> 01:25:20,667
Speaker 2: It happens at around this time every Saturday and Sunday

1592
01:25:20,707 --> 01:25:25,027
Speaker 2: afternoon on weekend sport, starting with American Sport and the

1593
01:25:25,147 --> 01:25:29,547
Speaker 2: LA Rams handing the Minnesota Vikings just their second defeat

1594
01:25:29,987 --> 01:25:31,307
Speaker 2: of the NFL season.

1595
01:25:31,747 --> 01:25:39,147
Speaker 4: Daly look at it, Safety, Aroon Young take some down

1596
01:25:39,267 --> 01:25:43,747
Speaker 4: the ends on ramp sial It at two and it's

1597
01:25:43,747 --> 01:25:44,707
Speaker 4: thirty to twenty and.

1598
01:25:44,747 --> 01:25:46,627
Speaker 2: My son will be very pleased about that, being a

1599
01:25:46,667 --> 01:25:49,827
Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings fan. That will featured that on the Incasia

1600
01:25:49,867 --> 01:25:53,227
Speaker 2: mist A segment. Today, Pakistan have taken command of their

1601
01:25:53,347 --> 01:25:57,187
Speaker 2: third cricket Test against England thanks to a classy century

1602
01:25:57,547 --> 01:25:59,347
Speaker 2: from Saud Shakiel.

1603
01:25:59,147 --> 01:26:00,587
Speaker 3: Unruly kind of a Beeshwal.

1604
01:26:00,667 --> 01:26:03,027
Speaker 21: He gets a single in reses back.

1605
01:26:02,867 --> 01:26:03,587
Speaker 3: To the gallery.

1606
01:26:03,987 --> 01:26:07,227
Speaker 21: His partner is happy chappy because it's.

1607
01:26:07,027 --> 01:26:11,387
Speaker 2: One hundred, one hundred number four plasld secure, So England

1608
01:26:11,387 --> 01:26:15,147
Speaker 2: two sixty seven and twenty four for three Pakistan three

1609
01:26:15,227 --> 01:26:18,507
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four, England fifty three behind with seven

1610
01:26:18,747 --> 01:26:22,507
Speaker 2: second innings wickets in hand. Now to an intriguing match

1611
01:26:22,507 --> 01:26:25,427
Speaker 2: and Australian domestic One Day cricket. We spoke about this

1612
01:26:25,507 --> 01:26:30,667
Speaker 2: with Adam Peacock before two West Australia cruising supposedly at

1613
01:26:30,667 --> 01:26:33,667
Speaker 2: fifty two for two against Tasmania.

1614
01:26:33,747 --> 01:26:37,147
Speaker 22: Then this he can appeal forbw and he's out. Bro

1615
01:26:37,267 --> 01:26:41,507
Speaker 22: webs has caught Cameron Vancroft in front, well they reckon

1616
01:26:41,587 --> 01:26:45,747
Speaker 22: pad thirty's out second ball. Vaux Webster's got the big

1617
01:26:45,787 --> 01:26:49,027
Speaker 22: wicket for captain Ashton Turner and he's fouled in Billy

1618
01:26:49,107 --> 01:26:53,307
Speaker 22: standlight straight through Josh Engliss with a tremendous delivery.

1619
01:26:54,267 --> 01:26:56,627
Speaker 2: First flies off the edge of Quarner.

1620
01:26:56,347 --> 01:26:59,387
Speaker 22: Third slip another neck and this too he does catch it.

1621
01:26:59,507 --> 01:27:01,747
Speaker 22: Brilliant catch forr Iwan, diving to his left.

1622
01:27:01,907 --> 01:27:04,987
Speaker 2: So that was five wickets lost without advancing the score

1623
01:27:05,027 --> 01:27:07,867
Speaker 2: at all. But then they responded by scoring a run

1624
01:27:07,907 --> 01:27:09,147
Speaker 2: it was a wide, but then.

1625
01:27:09,067 --> 01:27:12,667
Speaker 22: This, well that's a nick behind a big nick at

1626
01:27:12,707 --> 01:27:16,827
Speaker 22: bo Webster. An appeal for Robbie W's out, no wicket

1627
01:27:16,947 --> 01:27:19,547
Speaker 22: for Webster, another one for Tatspadia.

1628
01:27:19,667 --> 01:27:21,227
Speaker 3: That record is in trouble.

1629
01:27:21,267 --> 01:27:25,547
Speaker 2: Now stand has delivered the ball, AGA has stied the

1630
01:27:25,627 --> 01:27:31,067
Speaker 2: ball and Western Australia are officially all out. Yeah, astonishing

1631
01:27:31,147 --> 01:27:34,867
Speaker 2: from fifty two for two to fifty three all out.

1632
01:27:34,907 --> 01:27:38,587
Speaker 2: They lost eight wickets for one run and a slightly

1633
01:27:38,627 --> 01:27:42,827
Speaker 2: better sporting performances. Chris Wood continues his goal scoring form

1634
01:27:42,907 --> 01:27:46,587
Speaker 2: for Nottingham Forrest, doing this against Leicester this morning.

1635
01:27:47,267 --> 01:27:49,707
Speaker 9: Finding Would Wood on the turn.

1636
01:27:50,907 --> 01:27:55,147
Speaker 21: Tas squats he's done so often in recent seasons and

1637
01:27:55,187 --> 01:27:57,987
Speaker 21: there's now holding back in the celebration even though he's

1638
01:27:58,067 --> 01:28:01,547
Speaker 21: just scored against one of his former clubs and one

1639
01:28:01,667 --> 01:28:02,267
Speaker 21: wasn't enough.

1640
01:28:02,347 --> 01:28:05,427
Speaker 2: He scored a second, propelling his team to a win

1641
01:28:05,627 --> 01:28:09,467
Speaker 2: in lifting Ottingham Forest to the giddy heights of fifth

1642
01:28:09,667 --> 01:28:13,787
Speaker 2: on the Premier League ladder. Would and he's.

1643
01:28:13,627 --> 01:28:21,307
Speaker 21: Got a chance for another, which he takes. That's a

1644
01:28:21,387 --> 01:28:23,987
Speaker 21: delight for the former Leicester striker.

1645
01:28:25,747 --> 01:28:26,987
Speaker 3: When it's down to the line.

1646
01:28:27,267 --> 01:28:31,947
Speaker 1: You made a call on eight weekend Sport with Jason

1647
01:28:32,027 --> 01:28:32,907
Speaker 1: Hine us.

1648
01:28:32,787 --> 01:28:36,147
Speaker 2: Talk ZV just on eleven past two, going to talk

1649
01:28:36,227 --> 01:28:39,907
Speaker 2: Test cricket in just a moment updating you on cricket

1650
01:28:39,987 --> 01:28:43,427
Speaker 2: domestically off the field at the base in Reserve Central

1651
01:28:43,427 --> 01:28:46,307
Speaker 2: and ninety three for two in the twenty third over.

1652
01:28:46,347 --> 01:28:48,107
Speaker 2: That's down to forty eight overs a side. I would

1653
01:28:48,187 --> 01:28:50,747
Speaker 2: say there's a high possibility and they're not getting back

1654
01:28:50,747 --> 01:28:52,987
Speaker 2: on at the basin reserve now looking out the window

1655
01:28:53,067 --> 01:28:56,187
Speaker 2: in that direction from our studios in downtown Wellington, so

1656
01:28:56,227 --> 01:28:59,707
Speaker 2: that may well be abandoned. Earlier cantering Northern abandoned in

1657
01:28:59,787 --> 01:29:02,907
Speaker 2: christ Church without a ball being bold, but a full

1658
01:29:02,987 --> 01:29:08,387
Speaker 2: fifty overs possible in Mount Monganui where batting first, having

1659
01:29:08,387 --> 01:29:10,747
Speaker 2: been sent into bat have racked up two hundred and

1660
01:29:10,907 --> 01:29:15,467
Speaker 2: eighty three for nine two eighty three for nine against Auckland.

1661
01:29:15,827 --> 01:29:18,347
Speaker 2: So Walkland shortly. We'll head out in the chase for

1662
01:29:18,387 --> 01:29:21,667
Speaker 2: two eighty four to win that one. Twelve past two,

1663
01:29:21,707 --> 01:29:24,387
Speaker 2: the black Caps on the verge of a first ever

1664
01:29:24,667 --> 01:29:28,707
Speaker 2: Test series win in India, dominating the opening two days

1665
01:29:28,747 --> 01:29:32,107
Speaker 2: of the second Test in Poune, looks closing with the.

1666
01:29:32,107 --> 01:29:34,387
Speaker 23: Army and now by a thinger goes up I'm by

1667
01:29:34,427 --> 01:29:36,747
Speaker 23: a Paul Rifle has had a good deal as well,

1668
01:29:36,827 --> 01:29:39,387
Speaker 23: and so has the man on your screen, Mitchell Santna.

1669
01:29:39,907 --> 01:29:43,067
Speaker 23: The second best figures by New Zealander and India Mitchell

1670
01:29:43,107 --> 01:29:45,307
Speaker 23: Santner seventh for fifty three.

1671
01:29:45,747 --> 01:29:48,107
Speaker 9: What a spell of calling. It's been well for the

1672
01:29:48,147 --> 01:29:48,627
Speaker 9: first time.

1673
01:29:48,667 --> 01:29:50,467
Speaker 17: Mitchell Santa is going to get to hold that ball

1674
01:29:50,547 --> 01:29:53,107
Speaker 17: up and he will hold it up very, very proudly.

1675
01:29:53,147 --> 01:29:53,547
Speaker 9: Indeed.

1676
01:29:53,667 --> 01:29:56,427
Speaker 2: So match scores New Zealand two fifty nine and one

1677
01:29:56,507 --> 01:29:59,427
Speaker 2: ninety eight for five India all out one fifty six.

1678
01:29:59,507 --> 01:30:03,267
Speaker 2: Mitchell Santner seven for fifty three. His best Test figure

1679
01:30:03,307 --> 01:30:05,747
Speaker 2: is by a long way. The second best figure is

1680
01:30:05,747 --> 01:30:08,387
Speaker 2: ever buy a News Island in India the equal eighth

1681
01:30:08,427 --> 01:30:12,107
Speaker 2: best innings bowling figures by any New Zealand bowler in

1682
01:30:12,147 --> 01:30:15,267
Speaker 2: our Test cricket history. That has The black Caps are

1683
01:30:15,307 --> 01:30:18,307
Speaker 2: head by three hundred and one with five second innings

1684
01:30:18,307 --> 01:30:21,027
Speaker 2: wickets in hand and three days still to play. Let's

1685
01:30:21,067 --> 01:30:23,307
Speaker 2: just put this in context for you. We've been touring

1686
01:30:23,387 --> 01:30:27,347
Speaker 2: India since nineteen fifty five, what's that nearly seventy years.

1687
01:30:28,027 --> 01:30:30,907
Speaker 2: This is the thirteenth time New Zealand have played a

1688
01:30:30,947 --> 01:30:34,707
Speaker 2: Test series in India. Of the previous twelve, eleven have

1689
01:30:34,787 --> 01:30:38,147
Speaker 2: been won by India. The only drawn series was in

1690
01:30:38,187 --> 01:30:40,387
Speaker 2: the back end of two thousand and three when both

1691
01:30:40,467 --> 01:30:44,067
Speaker 2: Test matches were drawn. Scott Styrus was in that team

1692
01:30:44,107 --> 01:30:46,067
Speaker 2: actually that drew both those Test matches at the back

1693
01:30:46,147 --> 01:30:48,787
Speaker 2: end of two thousand and three. He joins us Now, Scott,

1694
01:30:48,827 --> 01:30:51,147
Speaker 2: I honestly didn't think i'd be saying the sentence. Mitchell

1695
01:30:51,187 --> 01:30:53,747
Speaker 2: Santina has bowled New Zealand into a winning position. What

1696
01:30:53,787 --> 01:30:55,547
Speaker 2: did you make of his bowling on day two?

1697
01:30:57,187 --> 01:31:01,427
Speaker 24: Yeah, I think mitchle Center, of course, has been having

1698
01:31:01,467 --> 01:31:03,347
Speaker 24: short of terrific with the white ball in his hand.

1699
01:31:03,427 --> 01:31:05,107
Speaker 24: The red bull's been a bit more of a challenge.

1700
01:31:05,147 --> 01:31:07,867
Speaker 24: But he's got a lot of talent, there's no question

1701
01:31:07,947 --> 01:31:09,867
Speaker 24: about that, and it's great to see him step up

1702
01:31:09,867 --> 01:31:13,267
Speaker 24: and conditions which favor him, it's fair to say it,

1703
01:31:13,347 --> 01:31:16,147
Speaker 24: but you've still got to deliver and he did that well.

1704
01:31:16,187 --> 01:31:18,387
Speaker 2: I think you're right that the conditions do favor him.

1705
01:31:18,427 --> 01:31:20,467
Speaker 2: But ajs Patel at the same time didn't get any

1706
01:31:20,467 --> 01:31:23,427
Speaker 2: wickets in the in the in the in the first thing,

1707
01:31:23,627 --> 01:31:25,947
Speaker 2: so so you've got to put it down to Mitchell

1708
01:31:25,987 --> 01:31:29,187
Speaker 2: Santna doing something that he hasn't really done a test level.

1709
01:31:29,267 --> 01:31:31,667
Speaker 2: That's just bold, terrifically well, don't you.

1710
01:31:33,347 --> 01:31:33,587
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1711
01:31:33,707 --> 01:31:36,747
Speaker 24: I think what we saw is his height, place and

1712
01:31:36,827 --> 01:31:38,827
Speaker 24: advantage he's got. He's a tall man, He's got a

1713
01:31:38,947 --> 01:31:42,147
Speaker 24: nice high action, very similar to a Daniel Vittori. So

1714
01:31:42,307 --> 01:31:44,707
Speaker 24: he was the one that extracted a lot more bounce

1715
01:31:44,747 --> 01:31:47,587
Speaker 24: out of the surface and that's what caused the batsman problems.

1716
01:31:48,027 --> 01:31:50,947
Speaker 24: Wasn't so much the variable bound but when you couple

1717
01:31:50,987 --> 01:31:53,427
Speaker 24: that with the ability to the standarball almost tennis ball,

1718
01:31:53,547 --> 01:31:58,227
Speaker 24: like I thought Mitchell Santner, then just every over you

1719
01:31:58,267 --> 01:32:01,547
Speaker 24: could almost see that the approach from the batsman, the

1720
01:32:01,587 --> 01:32:04,427
Speaker 24: Indian batsman was different to Santana to the others because

1721
01:32:04,467 --> 01:32:07,427
Speaker 24: of the fact Billips and a Jazzell are a lot

1722
01:32:07,467 --> 01:32:09,187
Speaker 24: shorter and they don't get that same climb.

1723
01:32:10,467 --> 01:32:13,227
Speaker 2: So in that regard then Scott, is it likely he'll

1724
01:32:13,267 --> 01:32:16,067
Speaker 2: be the most important bowler for New Zealand and the

1725
01:32:16,067 --> 01:32:18,987
Speaker 2: second innings as well? Or with the pitch wearing, is

1726
01:32:19,027 --> 01:32:21,867
Speaker 2: it likely to bring the likes of Patel Phillips, maybe

1727
01:32:21,907 --> 01:32:24,267
Speaker 2: even Ravendra into play.

1728
01:32:24,867 --> 01:32:27,267
Speaker 24: I think it will be still all about Satna just

1729
01:32:27,347 --> 01:32:30,227
Speaker 24: because of that baths that's the one. You always want

1730
01:32:30,307 --> 01:32:32,667
Speaker 24: variety in your bowling attack. And even though those two

1731
01:32:32,747 --> 01:32:35,867
Speaker 24: left arm spinners, they're very different left arm spinners, there's

1732
01:32:35,907 --> 01:32:38,467
Speaker 24: usually a little bit quicker, has their bounced bowls, a

1733
01:32:38,467 --> 01:32:41,947
Speaker 24: really nice undercutter, which is often the type of delivery

1734
01:32:41,947 --> 01:32:44,387
Speaker 24: in India which has the most success, not necessarily the

1735
01:32:44,427 --> 01:32:49,107
Speaker 24: traditional overspin that you see the likes of Victorial Adjut

1736
01:32:49,227 --> 01:32:53,067
Speaker 24: Patel look to employ. So you know, I think the

1737
01:32:53,107 --> 01:32:54,947
Speaker 24: fact that that they do have the two left ups

1738
01:32:54,987 --> 01:32:57,627
Speaker 24: but they are very different does posts and problems is

1739
01:32:57,627 --> 01:32:59,627
Speaker 24: a great strength for us because the spinners have done

1740
01:32:59,987 --> 01:33:00,587
Speaker 24: really well on.

1741
01:33:00,627 --> 01:33:03,347
Speaker 2: This to it absolutely so. Then New Zealand went out

1742
01:33:03,347 --> 01:33:05,427
Speaker 2: to bat with a first innings lead of just over

1743
01:33:05,467 --> 01:33:09,627
Speaker 2: one hundred, really positive to start. How important was Tom

1744
01:33:09,707 --> 01:33:12,387
Speaker 2: Latham's eighty six in the second innings yesterday?

1745
01:33:13,347 --> 01:33:13,507
Speaker 10: Oh?

1746
01:33:13,587 --> 01:33:15,227
Speaker 24: I love the veryminute of it. And the reason for

1747
01:33:15,267 --> 01:33:17,227
Speaker 24: that is because of the old school batting, wasn't it.

1748
01:33:17,267 --> 01:33:20,947
Speaker 24: I mean, I think we saw two teams of batsmen

1749
01:33:20,987 --> 01:33:23,827
Speaker 24: who on that surface where they couldn't necessarily trust the balance,

1750
01:33:23,827 --> 01:33:26,387
Speaker 24: didn't know how much it was going to turn, They

1751
01:33:26,387 --> 01:33:29,587
Speaker 24: didn't really back their defensive screen, their defensive technique, and

1752
01:33:29,627 --> 01:33:31,907
Speaker 24: therefore they were quite aggressive and they didn't have a

1753
01:33:31,947 --> 01:33:33,907
Speaker 24: lot of patience. Well, Tom Layton doesn't play a lot

1754
01:33:33,907 --> 01:33:36,067
Speaker 24: of T twenty cricket. He does take a lot of

1755
01:33:36,067 --> 01:33:39,547
Speaker 24: pride in his defense obviously employs the sweep shop, which

1756
01:33:39,547 --> 01:33:42,587
Speaker 24: worked really well. So I think he summed up conditions

1757
01:33:42,627 --> 01:33:45,987
Speaker 24: and had the mental discipline if you like to stick

1758
01:33:46,027 --> 01:33:49,147
Speaker 24: to that camplan all the way through, because New Cella

1759
01:33:49,187 --> 01:33:50,827
Speaker 24: certainly needed it. You know, they need to get through

1760
01:33:50,907 --> 01:33:53,467
Speaker 24: fifty to four hundred. I think if they do that,

1761
01:33:53,627 --> 01:33:55,667
Speaker 24: then yeah, we may well see that first series win.

1762
01:33:56,307 --> 01:33:59,107
Speaker 2: So we're three hundred ahead now, even that seems a

1763
01:33:59,147 --> 01:34:02,027
Speaker 2: tough chase. Or do you think India could chase three

1764
01:34:02,147 --> 01:34:02,747
Speaker 2: hundred down.

1765
01:34:05,587 --> 01:34:06,267
Speaker 17: I think they could.

1766
01:34:06,387 --> 01:34:08,707
Speaker 24: I mean, if anyone's going to them, it's their home conditions.

1767
01:34:08,707 --> 01:34:12,827
Speaker 24: They're used to these style of pictures. I'd never feel

1768
01:34:12,827 --> 01:34:16,147
Speaker 24: confident in the subcontinent when they've got the bat in hand.

1769
01:34:16,187 --> 01:34:18,867
Speaker 24: They often over the history have just made the pitch

1770
01:34:18,947 --> 01:34:22,187
Speaker 24: look like a completely different surface to battle. I think

1771
01:34:22,467 --> 01:34:24,027
Speaker 24: we won't see them be as loose. You know you

1772
01:34:24,067 --> 01:34:28,547
Speaker 24: actually Polymus another full toss Suffras, Yes, he played a

1773
01:34:28,547 --> 01:34:31,107
Speaker 24: loose shot to be called him mid off, but I

1774
01:34:31,107 --> 01:34:33,907
Speaker 24: guess that's the way he plays, but I expect them

1775
01:34:33,907 --> 01:34:36,907
Speaker 24: to be a little bit mentally stronger than that second innings.

1776
01:34:36,907 --> 01:34:39,187
Speaker 24: They will want to lose that home Test match as well.

1777
01:34:39,187 --> 01:34:43,147
Speaker 24: The Test Championship is something that they have won yet

1778
01:34:43,547 --> 01:34:46,907
Speaker 24: and they put a stock into it, so they really

1779
01:34:46,947 --> 01:34:49,507
Speaker 24: want to keep developing that Test game in India. They

1780
01:34:49,547 --> 01:34:51,347
Speaker 24: book about it all the time and the commentary work

1781
01:34:51,387 --> 01:34:54,707
Speaker 24: I do there that that's the version of the game

1782
01:34:54,707 --> 01:34:57,667
Speaker 24: that they want to take to the next level. So

1783
01:34:57,947 --> 01:35:00,347
Speaker 24: they'll be bristling with the fact that they're behind in

1784
01:35:00,387 --> 01:35:02,027
Speaker 24: the series in a big way.

1785
01:35:02,147 --> 01:35:04,667
Speaker 2: So Tom Blundell and Glenn Phillips will resume today one

1786
01:35:04,787 --> 01:35:07,147
Speaker 2: ninety eight for five with that lead of three hundred odd.

1787
01:35:07,587 --> 01:35:11,067
Speaker 2: What will or what should the batting plan be for

1788
01:35:11,267 --> 01:35:12,427
Speaker 2: New Zealand today.

1789
01:35:14,747 --> 01:35:15,427
Speaker 17: A good question.

1790
01:35:16,147 --> 01:35:19,227
Speaker 24: Glenn Fillip doesn't look like he has quite worked out

1791
01:35:19,227 --> 01:35:22,027
Speaker 24: how to play the spinners in these conditions yet, so

1792
01:35:22,387 --> 01:35:24,267
Speaker 24: in my own mind, I'm a little torn if he

1793
01:35:24,307 --> 01:35:26,387
Speaker 24: doesn't back his defense. He seems to be going back

1794
01:35:26,427 --> 01:35:29,547
Speaker 24: onto the back foot a lot, which is not the

1795
01:35:29,587 --> 01:35:33,227
Speaker 24: way to play the spins over there. So maybe it

1796
01:35:33,387 --> 01:35:36,147
Speaker 24: is that aggressive try and go out there and get

1797
01:35:36,187 --> 01:35:38,467
Speaker 24: to the bowlers before they get you. If he can

1798
01:35:38,507 --> 01:35:41,707
Speaker 24: get thirty or forty along with Blundle getting another twenty

1799
01:35:41,787 --> 01:35:43,667
Speaker 24: or thirty, then you know New Zealand will have a

1800
01:35:43,747 --> 01:35:45,747
Speaker 24: total they will feel they can and should win with.

1801
01:35:47,027 --> 01:35:49,427
Speaker 24: So it's all about the approach more than anything. How

1802
01:35:49,467 --> 01:35:51,787
Speaker 24: are you going to score your runs? The sweep shots,

1803
01:35:51,867 --> 01:35:53,587
Speaker 24: the square the wickets have been the one that have

1804
01:35:53,627 --> 01:35:56,467
Speaker 24: done well so far. But you know you've got to

1805
01:35:56,507 --> 01:35:58,507
Speaker 24: look at Glen Phillips. You can just see that he's

1806
01:35:58,707 --> 01:36:01,267
Speaker 24: a little torn in his own mind about how he's

1807
01:36:01,307 --> 01:36:02,947
Speaker 24: going to do it. But this partnership is a big one.

1808
01:36:03,587 --> 01:36:06,947
Speaker 2: Indeed. Questions for a few on text actually Scott from

1809
01:36:07,027 --> 01:36:09,267
Speaker 2: Jeff what would be better winning a Test series in

1810
01:36:09,267 --> 01:36:11,827
Speaker 2: India or winning a Test series in Australia?

1811
01:36:12,867 --> 01:36:13,427
Speaker 3: Oh?

1812
01:36:13,467 --> 01:36:14,067
Speaker 17: What a question?

1813
01:36:15,467 --> 01:36:16,267
Speaker 24: Can I say?

1814
01:36:16,267 --> 01:36:16,547
Speaker 10: Both?

1815
01:36:16,707 --> 01:36:18,107
Speaker 24: Both would be amazing?

1816
01:36:17,907 --> 01:36:18,747
Speaker 11: That I think I think.

1817
01:36:19,187 --> 01:36:21,747
Speaker 24: I think I think Australia is solely because of how

1818
01:36:22,307 --> 01:36:24,787
Speaker 24: how close we are and all the rivalries we have,

1819
01:36:24,947 --> 01:36:28,147
Speaker 24: and then every sport that we play to beat them

1820
01:36:28,187 --> 01:36:30,667
Speaker 24: over there would be incredible. I think Australia in their

1821
01:36:30,667 --> 01:36:32,147
Speaker 24: home conditions have just been.

1822
01:36:32,307 --> 01:36:34,067
Speaker 17: So good for decades.

1823
01:36:35,267 --> 01:36:39,267
Speaker 24: I would pick Australia slightly, but only slightly because India,

1824
01:36:39,307 --> 01:36:42,307
Speaker 24: with the way they're dominating the world game, the talent

1825
01:36:42,387 --> 01:36:44,387
Speaker 24: they have over there, they do have a lot of

1826
01:36:44,387 --> 01:36:47,227
Speaker 24: respect for New Zealand cricket both on and off the field.

1827
01:36:47,267 --> 01:36:51,827
Speaker 24: They really do. So they won't mind losing to us.

1828
01:36:52,267 --> 01:36:55,467
Speaker 24: They'll prefer that to say, losing to Australia. They sort

1829
01:36:55,467 --> 01:36:58,307
Speaker 24: of treat us as well as the little brother or

1830
01:36:58,307 --> 01:37:01,427
Speaker 24: the or the nice bread if you like, in India.

1831
01:37:01,947 --> 01:37:03,747
Speaker 24: You know, so, I think I think I'd still go

1832
01:37:03,827 --> 01:37:06,107
Speaker 24: with Australia, just solely because of our history in tradition

1833
01:37:06,507 --> 01:37:06,867
Speaker 24: and sport.

1834
01:37:07,307 --> 01:37:09,787
Speaker 2: All right, maybe we can get both over the next

1835
01:37:09,787 --> 01:37:12,307
Speaker 2: couple of years. And you, obviously, you're obviously part of

1836
01:37:12,307 --> 01:37:13,507
Speaker 2: that team. As I mentioned at the top of the

1837
01:37:13,587 --> 01:37:16,947
Speaker 2: chat that got the the series, the two drawn Test

1838
01:37:16,987 --> 01:37:18,587
Speaker 2: matches at the back end of two thousand and three,

1839
01:37:18,587 --> 01:37:20,947
Speaker 2: you got a got one hundred and Mohalley one of

1840
01:37:20,987 --> 01:37:22,987
Speaker 2: your five Test centuries. Where does that rate among the

1841
01:37:22,987 --> 01:37:23,987
Speaker 2: innings that you played.

1842
01:37:25,267 --> 01:37:28,307
Speaker 24: Oh, to be honest, I don't really think about those

1843
01:37:28,347 --> 01:37:32,547
Speaker 24: sorts of things too much. Look, any any test hundred

1844
01:37:32,587 --> 01:37:34,747
Speaker 24: is amazing. I think about their test more for the

1845
01:37:34,787 --> 01:37:37,027
Speaker 24: fact that we that was I was betting with Mark

1846
01:37:37,107 --> 01:37:40,227
Speaker 24: Richardson when he had that cramp episode. Everyone to make

1847
01:37:40,267 --> 01:37:42,547
Speaker 24: a mickey that was that was that Test match where

1848
01:37:43,627 --> 01:37:47,867
Speaker 24: you know he carried on like a screaming file.

1849
01:37:52,067 --> 01:37:52,667
Speaker 10: So that was that.

1850
01:37:52,947 --> 01:37:54,027
Speaker 14: I remember you remember the.

1851
01:37:53,947 --> 01:37:56,627
Speaker 24: Funny things from games, not so much your own your

1852
01:37:56,667 --> 01:37:59,107
Speaker 24: own performance. I mean, yes, you you prow of course

1853
01:37:59,147 --> 01:38:01,787
Speaker 24: if you've done well. But from that, I think we

1854
01:38:01,867 --> 01:38:05,867
Speaker 24: also fielded for two and threecorded days in a row

1855
01:38:05,907 --> 01:38:09,307
Speaker 24: because we and you follow on and therefore that was

1856
01:38:09,387 --> 01:38:11,827
Speaker 24: probably I remember that because of the biggest stint in

1857
01:38:11,867 --> 01:38:14,947
Speaker 24: the field two hundred and seventy overs or thereabouts in

1858
01:38:14,947 --> 01:38:17,227
Speaker 24: the field in a row, which is just brutal.

1859
01:38:17,467 --> 01:38:20,187
Speaker 2: And that, yeah, absolutely, because I think what you guys

1860
01:38:20,187 --> 01:38:23,027
Speaker 2: got six hundred and twenty for five or six declared,

1861
01:38:23,027 --> 01:38:24,667
Speaker 2: didn't you? And then yeah you what the bottom out

1862
01:38:24,667 --> 01:38:26,867
Speaker 2: for four hundred and then forced to follow on. Man,

1863
01:38:26,907 --> 01:38:28,907
Speaker 2: that is tough all that time out in the field.

1864
01:38:28,907 --> 01:38:31,227
Speaker 2: But it must be. I mean India, we know we

1865
01:38:31,147 --> 01:38:33,227
Speaker 2: were from from watching on and you've been there a

1866
01:38:33,267 --> 01:38:37,387
Speaker 2: lot of times. They just absolutely adore their cracket, don't

1867
01:38:37,387 --> 01:38:40,947
Speaker 2: they like more than we can probably comprehend.

1868
01:38:42,387 --> 01:38:47,427
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's rugby in this country. On another level, I

1869
01:38:47,507 --> 01:38:50,107
Speaker 24: spend probably three months a year there due to the

1870
01:38:50,107 --> 01:38:51,987
Speaker 24: commentary that I do over that part of the world,

1871
01:38:52,227 --> 01:38:53,787
Speaker 24: and it's an awesome part of the word. I mean,

1872
01:38:53,867 --> 01:38:56,787
Speaker 24: India is just a terrific place. Love going there. It's

1873
01:38:56,787 --> 01:38:58,987
Speaker 24: certainly not a chore like it used to be for

1874
01:38:59,387 --> 01:39:01,867
Speaker 24: you know, the guys in the fifty seventies eighties, where

1875
01:39:02,027 --> 01:39:05,667
Speaker 24: everything was third world. You know, India is certainly a

1876
01:39:05,667 --> 01:39:08,707
Speaker 24: lot of first world about it now, so it's easy

1877
01:39:08,747 --> 01:39:12,507
Speaker 24: for the players and it makes it great because you

1878
01:39:12,547 --> 01:39:16,387
Speaker 24: get the different culture, you get the different religions and languages,

1879
01:39:16,467 --> 01:39:18,147
Speaker 24: all of that, and then of course their love for

1880
01:39:18,187 --> 01:39:20,867
Speaker 24: the game of cricket and they just really do have

1881
01:39:20,947 --> 01:39:24,867
Speaker 24: a hero culture, hero mentality for their cricketers, both the

1882
01:39:24,947 --> 01:39:28,307
Speaker 24: domestic guys and the international players that come across. So

1883
01:39:28,347 --> 01:39:31,027
Speaker 24: it's a it's a great thing to experience as a player,

1884
01:39:31,987 --> 01:39:34,067
Speaker 24: and the IPI certainly has been front center of that.

1885
01:39:34,147 --> 01:39:35,427
Speaker 24: It's just such a massive tournament.

1886
01:39:35,867 --> 01:39:37,987
Speaker 2: Good Man Scott always left chatting cricket with you, mate,

1887
01:39:37,987 --> 01:39:38,747
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking our.

1888
01:39:38,667 --> 01:39:41,027
Speaker 5: Call any times, all.

1889
01:39:41,027 --> 01:39:46,947
Speaker 2: Right, Jeers mat that Scott stars former international, hugely respected commentator.

1890
01:39:46,987 --> 01:39:48,867
Speaker 2: Now as you say, three months a year he spends

1891
01:39:48,907 --> 01:39:53,107
Speaker 2: up in India commentating, so knows the conditions really well? Man,

1892
01:39:53,427 --> 01:39:55,587
Speaker 2: I don't know it, just well it does. It feels

1893
01:39:55,587 --> 01:39:57,587
Speaker 2: as though we're a real chance, doesn't it. I mean,

1894
01:39:57,627 --> 01:40:01,307
Speaker 2: we're miles ahead in this Test match after and there's

1895
01:40:01,347 --> 01:40:03,947
Speaker 2: so much of it to go. We've only had two days.

1896
01:40:04,907 --> 01:40:09,787
Speaker 2: We are three hundred ahead with five second innings wickets

1897
01:40:09,787 --> 01:40:12,827
Speaker 2: in hand without wanting to jinx us, and Mike has

1898
01:40:12,867 --> 01:40:16,267
Speaker 2: already sent a text, stop jinxing us, Jason, do not

1899
01:40:16,427 --> 01:40:18,827
Speaker 2: talk up New Zealand cricket because we know it will

1900
01:40:18,907 --> 01:40:22,067
Speaker 2: end in tragedy and disappointment. Negs Mike. I didn't I

1901
01:40:22,187 --> 01:40:24,427
Speaker 2: was quite so powerful, but I know.

1902
01:40:24,427 --> 01:40:24,867
Speaker 9: What you mean.

1903
01:40:25,387 --> 01:40:28,707
Speaker 2: But don't you think this is a brilliant opportunity for us?

1904
01:40:30,627 --> 01:40:32,547
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's take a

1905
01:40:32,627 --> 01:40:34,667
Speaker 2: couple of calls on the cricket. If you watched it yesterday,

1906
01:40:34,987 --> 01:40:37,987
Speaker 2: will you like me watching Mitchell Santner going what is happening?

1907
01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:41,587
Speaker 2: Because much as Scotty was saying, and quite rightly, his

1908
01:40:41,667 --> 01:40:46,587
Speaker 2: extra height was obviously a factor there yesterday in Poune.

1909
01:40:47,067 --> 01:40:48,907
Speaker 2: I mean, Mitchell Santa has been playing Test cricket for

1910
01:40:48,947 --> 01:40:50,787
Speaker 2: a long time and I've never seen him do that.

1911
01:40:52,027 --> 01:40:57,427
Speaker 2: I've never seen him bowl like that with such you know,

1912
01:40:57,507 --> 01:41:02,827
Speaker 2: with every ball seemingly that possibility of taking a wicket.

1913
01:41:03,507 --> 01:41:06,907
Speaker 2: His best figures before yesterday in Test matches were were

1914
01:41:06,947 --> 01:41:10,107
Speaker 2: three in an innings. He'd never before taken more than

1915
01:41:10,147 --> 01:41:13,027
Speaker 2: three wickets in a Test innings, so seven in an

1916
01:41:13,067 --> 01:41:17,387
Speaker 2: innings is almost beyond comprehension. I saw on social media

1917
01:41:17,507 --> 01:41:19,667
Speaker 2: yesterday a lot of people were putting up a quote

1918
01:41:19,667 --> 01:41:23,867
Speaker 2: that was attributed to Ian Smith. And I don't know

1919
01:41:24,707 --> 01:41:27,867
Speaker 2: when he made this, when he made this assertion, but

1920
01:41:27,907 --> 01:41:30,907
Speaker 2: he basically said Mitchell Santner is not a threat with

1921
01:41:30,987 --> 01:41:33,307
Speaker 2: the red ball. He is not a Test match spinner.

1922
01:41:34,107 --> 01:41:36,227
Speaker 2: And look, I don't know Mitchell Sander at all, but

1923
01:41:37,267 --> 01:41:39,827
Speaker 2: looking at his demeanor, I wouldn't imagine that he would

1924
01:41:39,827 --> 01:41:43,427
Speaker 2: take much notice of things like that. But clearly yesterday

1925
01:41:43,427 --> 01:41:47,227
Speaker 2: he was a threat. I mean verat Coley. You know,

1926
01:41:48,067 --> 01:41:50,507
Speaker 2: terrible shot that he got out to Coley, came out

1927
01:41:50,547 --> 01:41:52,947
Speaker 2: there with intent, it was obvious to look to try

1928
01:41:52,947 --> 01:41:55,067
Speaker 2: and dominate, and he just swung across the line and

1929
01:41:55,147 --> 01:41:58,987
Speaker 2: completely missed a straight full toss. So we're not going

1930
01:41:59,027 --> 01:42:01,987
Speaker 2: to do that again, as Scotty Styra said, you know

1931
01:42:02,827 --> 01:42:06,507
Speaker 2: they're a good team. You know, Rowat, Shalma Shulman, Gill,

1932
01:42:06,667 --> 01:42:12,267
Speaker 2: Resharb pant Ravendra Jadasia. They can all bat. They can

1933
01:42:12,307 --> 01:42:18,187
Speaker 2: all bat, So maybe we do need a lot more.

1934
01:42:18,347 --> 01:42:20,987
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. We're three hundred for three hundred ahead,

1935
01:42:20,987 --> 01:42:23,827
Speaker 2: we're five down. Glenn Phillips is in. We know what

1936
01:42:23,947 --> 01:42:26,387
Speaker 2: kind of batter he is and as Scott he said,

1937
01:42:26,387 --> 01:42:28,427
Speaker 2: he's probably going to go for it rather than try

1938
01:42:28,467 --> 01:42:31,387
Speaker 2: and poke around and sort of negotiate the spinners. He's

1939
01:42:31,427 --> 01:42:35,507
Speaker 2: probably going to go for it. So look, even if

1940
01:42:35,507 --> 01:42:37,587
Speaker 2: he gets a quick thirty or forty. Tom Blundell, I

1941
01:42:37,587 --> 01:42:40,467
Speaker 2: know he's been He hasn't had the best of times recently,

1942
01:42:40,507 --> 01:42:42,467
Speaker 2: but he's thirty not out, so he's been there for

1943
01:42:42,507 --> 01:42:44,707
Speaker 2: a bit. We've got Mitchell Santa to come. We know

1944
01:42:44,827 --> 01:42:47,587
Speaker 2: he can bat. Then we're down to tim southy Ajas Hotel, willow'

1945
01:42:47,707 --> 01:42:49,987
Speaker 2: rourke will sell there. It could be anything, couldn't it.

1946
01:42:50,107 --> 01:42:52,827
Speaker 2: He got sixty in the first Test. Could be anything.

1947
01:42:54,307 --> 01:42:56,867
Speaker 2: But we'll wait and see. But how many would we

1948
01:42:56,987 --> 01:42:59,187
Speaker 2: need for you to be comfortable? I mean, there's no

1949
01:42:59,347 --> 01:43:03,667
Speaker 2: need to declare. We've only had two we haven't had

1950
01:43:03,747 --> 01:43:08,547
Speaker 2: two days. No, I'm just I'm starting to get a

1951
01:43:08,587 --> 01:43:11,107
Speaker 2: bit excited about it. There's heaps of sport onto because

1952
01:43:11,267 --> 01:43:13,347
Speaker 2: this will start at what four thirty five o'clock this afternoon.

1953
01:43:13,427 --> 01:43:16,307
Speaker 2: Got the All Blacks a bunch of a league football

1954
01:43:16,307 --> 01:43:23,147
Speaker 2: tonight that I'll be keeping tabs on. Yeah, I don't know, Rich.

1955
01:43:23,227 --> 01:43:24,907
Speaker 2: We could win a Test series in India, Mate, we

1956
01:43:24,947 --> 01:43:26,427
Speaker 2: could win a series in India.

1957
01:43:29,107 --> 01:43:30,867
Speaker 7: I think someone needs to pinch me to see if

1958
01:43:31,347 --> 01:43:33,067
Speaker 7: are still still in a dream pointing.

1959
01:43:33,507 --> 01:43:34,747
Speaker 9: I know I'm the same.

1960
01:43:34,947 --> 01:43:36,947
Speaker 2: What were you thinking when you were I mean you've

1961
01:43:36,947 --> 01:43:38,867
Speaker 2: watched a lot of cricket. What were you thinking when

1962
01:43:38,907 --> 01:43:41,387
Speaker 2: you were watching Mitchell Satner run through India yesterday?

1963
01:43:43,867 --> 01:43:46,627
Speaker 7: I think I asked my fiance to try and slap

1964
01:43:46,667 --> 01:43:47,187
Speaker 7: me in the face.

1965
01:43:48,387 --> 01:43:51,747
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure she would have obliged.

1966
01:43:54,627 --> 01:43:55,187
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think.

1967
01:43:55,667 --> 01:43:59,227
Speaker 7: I mean when you looked at that quote from Ian Smith,

1968
01:43:59,267 --> 01:44:01,707
Speaker 7: I mean it was pretty clear that, you know, before

1969
01:44:01,747 --> 01:44:04,067
Speaker 7: this happened, that there was a lot of critics out

1970
01:44:04,147 --> 01:44:06,667
Speaker 7: against Mitchell Satner. I mean, you know before that ty

1971
01:44:06,787 --> 01:44:10,227
Speaker 7: serious US best figures were three for thirty three or

1972
01:44:10,307 --> 01:44:12,987
Speaker 7: three for thirty four or something. But you know, there's

1973
01:44:12,987 --> 01:44:14,587
Speaker 7: been a long time where it's kind of like, oh,

1974
01:44:14,627 --> 01:44:17,107
Speaker 7: when are we actually going to show some sort of

1975
01:44:17,187 --> 01:44:20,947
Speaker 7: dominance over in the subcontinent, And you know from what

1976
01:44:21,067 --> 01:44:24,507
Speaker 7: we did in Sri Lanka. It's India. I mean, I

1977
01:44:24,627 --> 01:44:26,747
Speaker 7: mean we were talking about this before they left and

1978
01:44:26,867 --> 01:44:29,187
Speaker 7: the amount of the amount of preparation they had, and

1979
01:44:29,227 --> 01:44:32,747
Speaker 7: then it's like, what's going on here, Bonie? This isn't

1980
01:44:33,467 --> 01:44:36,987
Speaker 7: this is just just incredible. I mean I saw a

1981
01:44:37,027 --> 01:44:40,947
Speaker 7: tweet before saying is what if we win this Test series?

1982
01:44:41,387 --> 01:44:43,707
Speaker 7: It's this better than the one that India beat when

1983
01:44:43,787 --> 01:44:46,147
Speaker 7: they bet Australia after we bowled out thirty six and

1984
01:44:46,227 --> 01:44:49,147
Speaker 7: they still won two to one in Australia. Yeah, I

1985
01:44:49,267 --> 01:44:51,587
Speaker 7: mean when the last time a country beat India and

1986
01:44:51,747 --> 01:44:52,707
Speaker 7: India you.

1987
01:44:52,747 --> 01:44:56,507
Speaker 2: Know, twenty twelve. It was twenty twelve. I checked that. Actually,

1988
01:44:56,587 --> 01:44:58,747
Speaker 2: yet they haven't lost at home for over for well

1989
01:44:58,787 --> 01:45:01,107
Speaker 2: well over a decade, twelve years since they lost a

1990
01:45:01,227 --> 01:45:03,547
Speaker 2: series at home. And as you say, Rich, I mean

1991
01:45:03,627 --> 01:45:05,947
Speaker 2: for it to be us off the back of a

1992
01:45:06,147 --> 01:45:09,547
Speaker 2: ver very mediocre series in Sri Lanka, it's really really

1993
01:45:09,627 --> 01:45:10,627
Speaker 2: hard to get your head round.

1994
01:45:11,907 --> 01:45:14,707
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's amazing too that with the amount of stats,

1995
01:45:14,747 --> 01:45:17,267
Speaker 7: they were talking about how many runs we were scoring

1996
01:45:17,347 --> 01:45:21,227
Speaker 7: from sweeping the ball. Yeah, it was just it was

1997
01:45:21,387 --> 01:45:24,107
Speaker 7: just and when we Latham and when we went out

1998
01:45:24,147 --> 01:45:26,787
Speaker 7: there yesterday and the second innings, that just I don't know,

1999
01:45:26,907 --> 01:45:28,907
Speaker 7: it just looked like we weren't going to just sit

2000
01:45:28,987 --> 01:45:31,107
Speaker 7: there and wait to get out. We were just rotating

2001
01:45:31,187 --> 01:45:33,227
Speaker 7: the strike and stuff and just seeing the run stick

2002
01:45:33,267 --> 01:45:35,387
Speaker 7: over and it's like, yeah, I know the condition of

2003
01:45:35,427 --> 01:45:38,227
Speaker 7: the ball, but it's like we're batting now, so it's

2004
01:45:38,267 --> 01:45:39,067
Speaker 7: just the same pitch.

2005
01:45:41,987 --> 01:45:44,507
Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought, I love the intent from Tom Latham.

2006
01:45:44,587 --> 01:45:47,267
Speaker 2: We've always said, you know that he's a good player

2007
01:45:47,307 --> 01:45:49,627
Speaker 2: of spin. But his scores on the series up till

2008
01:45:49,667 --> 01:45:52,867
Speaker 2: yesterday were fifteen, nought and fifteen, so he hadn't batted

2009
01:45:52,947 --> 01:45:55,227
Speaker 2: well in the first three innings, but then he swept

2010
01:45:55,347 --> 01:45:57,707
Speaker 2: and reverse swept. He's clearly added that to his red

2011
01:45:57,747 --> 01:46:00,707
Speaker 2: ball game. I thought that that eighty six he got,

2012
01:46:01,187 --> 01:46:03,147
Speaker 2: I mean, in the context of the game, that's one fifty.

2013
01:46:03,227 --> 01:46:03,347
Speaker 9: Man.

2014
01:46:05,267 --> 01:46:07,227
Speaker 7: I'm not sure what's going on with India at the moment.

2015
01:46:07,307 --> 01:46:09,827
Speaker 7: There's just nothing seems to be going their way. But

2016
01:46:10,587 --> 01:46:12,867
Speaker 7: you know, the thing is dead pointing. When I watched

2017
01:46:12,867 --> 01:46:15,267
Speaker 7: them play against being the desk before the series. Some

2018
01:46:15,387 --> 01:46:18,547
Speaker 7: of their top quarter was very hit and miss and

2019
01:46:18,747 --> 01:46:20,987
Speaker 7: just kind of wondering where you know that they certainly

2020
01:46:20,987 --> 01:46:22,787
Speaker 7: aren't down on confidence and it's not going to be

2021
01:46:22,867 --> 01:46:25,187
Speaker 7: good for them if they lose the Test series with

2022
01:46:25,387 --> 01:46:28,027
Speaker 7: them going to Australia over for Christmas New Year period.

2023
01:46:28,147 --> 01:46:31,267
Speaker 7: So I don't know. I was talking to a couple

2024
01:46:31,307 --> 01:46:33,427
Speaker 7: of minutes this morning and thinking of what kind of

2025
01:46:33,507 --> 01:46:35,627
Speaker 7: lead do we want to mean? I'd love us to

2026
01:46:35,667 --> 01:46:39,347
Speaker 7: see if Bitch had another hundred, so we've got four

2027
01:46:39,427 --> 01:46:42,307
Speaker 7: hundred runs on them, you know, So yeah, it will

2028
01:46:42,347 --> 01:46:46,307
Speaker 7: be interesting. But hey, dreams are free in this one

2029
01:46:46,507 --> 01:46:47,387
Speaker 7: is actually real, So.

2030
01:46:48,507 --> 01:46:51,827
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Your fiancee can stop slapping you on the face.

2031
01:46:52,187 --> 01:46:54,707
Speaker 2: You are awake, my friend, and always good to you.

2032
01:46:54,867 --> 01:46:57,507
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling. In half past two news talks there

2033
01:46:57,507 --> 01:46:59,307
Speaker 2: b eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's talk some

2034
01:46:59,427 --> 01:47:00,227
Speaker 2: cricket back after.

2035
01:47:00,187 --> 01:47:06,267
Speaker 1: This Wine Crouch Hold engaged Weekend Sports with Jason Hyde

2036
01:47:06,467 --> 01:47:08,707
Speaker 1: and GJ Gunnos New Zealand.

2037
01:47:08,787 --> 01:47:11,467
Speaker 3: So I was trusted Old News Talk Baby.

2038
01:47:11,547 --> 01:47:13,827
Speaker 2: Twenty seven to three talking about a cricket with New

2039
01:47:13,907 --> 01:47:16,467
Speaker 2: Zealand on the verge. Well are we on the verge

2040
01:47:16,547 --> 01:47:18,747
Speaker 2: or are we are we closing in? Are we are

2041
01:47:18,787 --> 01:47:21,467
Speaker 2: we in? I think we're in a good position to

2042
01:47:21,587 --> 01:47:23,787
Speaker 2: win a Test series in India for the first time, Dave,

2043
01:47:23,827 --> 01:47:24,987
Speaker 2: How do you write our chances?

2044
01:47:25,827 --> 01:47:28,347
Speaker 5: I reckon one hundred percent chance of winning. And plus

2045
01:47:28,467 --> 01:47:31,067
Speaker 5: we've had the preparation. We've got a couple of good

2046
01:47:31,107 --> 01:47:36,827
Speaker 5: spin coaches that they've got Sarah Lincoln's help them with

2047
01:47:36,907 --> 01:47:40,267
Speaker 5: the plot playing and spinner as well too as well.

2048
01:47:40,787 --> 01:47:44,467
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got Ranganahratha's over there helping with the opportunity

2049
01:47:44,467 --> 01:47:46,347
Speaker 2: of helping with the bowling mainly, but also yeah, how

2050
01:47:46,347 --> 01:47:46,867
Speaker 2: to play spin.

2051
01:47:46,987 --> 01:47:49,347
Speaker 5: Yes, I had to stay spin, which is a good thing.

2052
01:47:49,627 --> 01:47:53,547
Speaker 5: And plus they're positive and they were getting better all

2053
01:47:53,587 --> 01:47:58,907
Speaker 5: the time, and I think they were und presented. And

2054
01:47:59,027 --> 01:48:01,907
Speaker 5: they've got thretty good spinners as well, the bat and

2055
01:48:01,987 --> 01:48:06,787
Speaker 5: that can bowl and bundle batty positive and the basement

2056
01:48:06,947 --> 01:48:09,827
Speaker 5: and and to beat India in their own own conditions

2057
01:48:09,867 --> 01:48:12,987
Speaker 5: in as well. And they've got without gunpires as well,

2058
01:48:13,107 --> 01:48:15,867
Speaker 5: four rifles of that umpire as well, don't it which

2059
01:48:15,947 --> 01:48:20,907
Speaker 5: is yes, it's really positive.

2060
01:48:21,507 --> 01:48:24,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's really set up, Dave, Everything is really set up.

2061
01:48:24,627 --> 01:48:25,827
Speaker 2: You made some great points there.

2062
01:48:26,067 --> 01:48:26,267
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2063
01:48:26,667 --> 01:48:30,347
Speaker 2: Look, Tom Blundel and Glenn Phillips are both recognized batsman.

2064
01:48:30,427 --> 01:48:33,307
Speaker 2: I think you'd definitely say that we know that that

2065
01:48:33,427 --> 01:48:35,027
Speaker 2: Mitchell Saton they can hold about as well. He got

2066
01:48:35,067 --> 01:48:37,667
Speaker 2: thirty three in the first inning. So look, even if

2067
01:48:37,947 --> 01:48:40,387
Speaker 2: they can somehow eke out another one hundred runs for

2068
01:48:40,467 --> 01:48:42,427
Speaker 2: the for the you know, for the back end of

2069
01:48:42,427 --> 01:48:45,867
Speaker 2: the innings, four hundred ahead, that's a lot. That's a

2070
01:48:45,947 --> 01:48:47,907
Speaker 2: lot of runs to play with with a lot of

2071
01:48:47,987 --> 01:48:51,867
Speaker 2: time left, you have to think would be a magnificent

2072
01:48:52,027 --> 01:48:53,267
Speaker 2: chance he'll be high.

2073
01:48:54,267 --> 01:48:55,347
Speaker 10: Hi hi yah.

2074
01:48:55,787 --> 01:48:57,987
Speaker 15: I'm going to take my head off to the boys.

2075
01:48:58,347 --> 01:49:02,747
Speaker 15: But they are going so well. And is it McLean

2076
01:49:02,907 --> 01:49:12,227
Speaker 15: who's been teaching the fielding? McLean, who's actually coaching the

2077
01:49:12,587 --> 01:49:14,027
Speaker 15: actual fielding of them?

2078
01:49:16,427 --> 01:49:18,507
Speaker 2: It's a very good question. Alby. I'm not sure who

2079
01:49:18,547 --> 01:49:20,267
Speaker 2: the fielding coaches right now is.

2080
01:49:20,947 --> 01:49:25,787
Speaker 15: Interviewed this morning by I was on the radio. But

2081
01:49:27,107 --> 01:49:32,307
Speaker 15: each person has got their own coach, and it's terrifical

2082
01:49:32,467 --> 01:49:38,667
Speaker 15: they're doing, you know, yeah far ahead.

2083
01:49:39,347 --> 01:49:39,547
Speaker 6: You know.

2084
01:49:41,307 --> 01:49:43,467
Speaker 2: That's I keep looking at the school board and thinking,

2085
01:49:43,787 --> 01:49:47,067
Speaker 2: you know, it's almost after two days, how advanced the

2086
01:49:47,147 --> 01:49:48,507
Speaker 2: tease matches. It's incredible.

2087
01:49:49,987 --> 01:49:54,867
Speaker 15: It is absolutely when they goen head lot with rain

2088
01:49:55,027 --> 01:49:58,507
Speaker 15: and stuff on the South Hold and probably the Northland,

2089
01:49:58,547 --> 01:50:00,987
Speaker 15: but over there they're just killing it.

2090
01:50:01,187 --> 01:50:01,347
Speaker 10: You know.

2091
01:50:02,867 --> 01:50:05,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is. It's so good to watch Alby,

2092
01:50:06,107 --> 01:50:08,827
Speaker 2: It's so good to watch just on rang Ganaharraf.

2093
01:50:08,947 --> 01:50:09,107
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2094
01:50:09,707 --> 01:50:13,387
Speaker 2: Mitchell Sentner after the day's play yesterday spoke about his influences.

2095
01:50:13,507 --> 01:50:16,227
Speaker 25: Yeah, Rogan has been. He's been really good. Obviously in

2096
01:50:16,267 --> 01:50:19,347
Speaker 25: Sri Lanka and now here he's you know, he took

2097
01:50:19,387 --> 01:50:22,747
Speaker 25: wickets all over the place and yeah, I think he was,

2098
01:50:23,747 --> 01:50:25,907
Speaker 25: I guess a master of that kind of change in

2099
01:50:26,027 --> 01:50:29,747
Speaker 25: pace and that guile and you know, just I guess

2100
01:50:29,827 --> 01:50:32,187
Speaker 25: working with him as a not just me as a

2101
01:50:32,347 --> 01:50:33,387
Speaker 25: as a spinbolic unit.

2102
01:50:33,387 --> 01:50:34,547
Speaker 3: It's been. It's been really good.

2103
01:50:34,547 --> 01:50:37,187
Speaker 25: It's fishy, and I guess conditions that we're not too

2104
01:50:37,427 --> 01:50:40,747
Speaker 25: you know, similar to you know, back home that might

2105
01:50:40,787 --> 01:50:43,107
Speaker 25: be kind of that forty five seen majority of the

2106
01:50:43,187 --> 01:50:44,747
Speaker 25: time and try to get some bounce, but over here

2107
01:50:44,827 --> 01:50:47,387
Speaker 25: it's playing with the seam angle a little bit more

2108
01:50:47,507 --> 01:50:49,667
Speaker 25: and you know, getting one to stay down or want

2109
01:50:49,747 --> 01:50:51,187
Speaker 25: to bounce up.

2110
01:50:51,427 --> 01:50:55,187
Speaker 2: And also from Mitchell Center here he is talking about

2111
01:50:55,587 --> 01:50:57,547
Speaker 2: getting rid of Rack Coley with a full toss.

2112
01:50:57,987 --> 01:50:59,267
Speaker 25: Yeah, I think I was a more of a shock

2113
01:50:59,427 --> 01:51:01,387
Speaker 25: getting cold out with a full toss. He hasn't usually

2114
01:51:01,387 --> 01:51:04,187
Speaker 25: missed it. I think it was it was slightly slower

2115
01:51:04,227 --> 01:51:05,747
Speaker 25: through the air. I just tried to change it up

2116
01:51:05,747 --> 01:51:08,107
Speaker 25: a little bit. But usually if you bowl those, they

2117
01:51:08,147 --> 01:51:12,427
Speaker 25: go for six. But yeah, I think there was obviously

2118
01:51:12,427 --> 01:51:14,147
Speaker 25: a little bit there which was which was nice. And

2119
01:51:14,427 --> 01:51:18,387
Speaker 25: I think the change of pace was, you know, was

2120
01:51:18,587 --> 01:51:20,907
Speaker 25: it was key today and then I think you know

2121
01:51:21,347 --> 01:51:23,627
Speaker 25: the ns boles and the seconds, I thought they'd bowl,

2122
01:51:24,027 --> 01:51:27,147
Speaker 25: you know, pretty good areas with change of pace. I

2123
01:51:27,187 --> 01:51:29,907
Speaker 25: think you know, the guys got there, the sweeps out

2124
01:51:30,027 --> 01:51:32,227
Speaker 25: and you know, as a bowler, when guys are sweeping

2125
01:51:32,467 --> 01:51:36,267
Speaker 25: it can be quite legally ahead times, but you know

2126
01:51:36,267 --> 01:51:37,787
Speaker 25: they are a little bit unlucky at times as well,

2127
01:51:37,827 --> 01:51:40,587
Speaker 25: a few few nerts, a few umpires calls and stuff.

2128
01:51:40,587 --> 01:51:43,627
Speaker 25: So I think it's one of those surfaces where you know,

2129
01:51:44,107 --> 01:51:46,307
Speaker 25: if there is a partnership, you're not that far away

2130
01:51:46,347 --> 01:51:48,787
Speaker 25: if you can get one and try go quit bang

2131
01:51:48,867 --> 01:51:49,387
Speaker 25: bang quickly.

2132
01:51:49,667 --> 01:51:52,467
Speaker 2: That is Mitchell Santa talking after the days play yesterday.

2133
01:51:52,507 --> 01:51:54,427
Speaker 2: So we'll get back underway at around four thirty this

2134
01:51:54,547 --> 01:51:57,867
Speaker 2: afternoon or thereabouts. New Zealand resume one ninety eight for

2135
01:51:58,067 --> 01:52:02,427
Speaker 2: five with Tom Blundell and Glenn Phillips together at the crease.

2136
01:52:02,827 --> 01:52:05,867
Speaker 2: That is a lead currently of three hundred and one

2137
01:52:05,987 --> 01:52:10,507
Speaker 2: runs with five second innings wickets in hand. The LA

2138
01:52:10,587 --> 01:52:12,707
Speaker 2: Dodgers have taken a one nill lead over the New

2139
01:52:12,787 --> 01:52:15,627
Speaker 2: York Yankees, top of the sixth In Game one of

2140
01:52:15,827 --> 01:52:20,427
Speaker 2: the World Series Bunnings MPC Grand Final this afternoon sky

2141
01:52:20,627 --> 01:52:23,587
Speaker 2: Stadium is Wellington against Bay of Plenty. Where will take

2142
01:52:23,627 --> 01:52:25,587
Speaker 2: you to sky Stadium and check them with our commentary

2143
01:52:25,627 --> 01:52:26,987
Speaker 2: team to set the scene. Right after this.

2144
01:52:28,507 --> 01:52:31,427
Speaker 1: You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred

2145
01:52:31,427 --> 01:52:35,227
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ.

2146
01:52:35,467 --> 01:52:37,507
Speaker 3: Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's.

2147
01:52:37,067 --> 01:52:40,747
Speaker 2: Most trusted home builder news Dogs MB nineteen away from

2148
01:52:40,827 --> 01:52:43,107
Speaker 2: three to five past three is kickoff at sky Stadium

2149
01:52:43,107 --> 01:52:45,347
Speaker 2: and the Bunnings MPC Final for twenty twenty four. The

2150
01:52:45,427 --> 01:52:47,667
Speaker 2: home side, the Wellington lines up against the Bay of

2151
01:52:47,787 --> 01:52:51,707
Speaker 2: Plenty Steamers. Full live commentary on Goldsport and iHeartRadio with

2152
01:52:51,907 --> 01:52:54,947
Speaker 2: Ross Bond, Shannon Pucku and Matt Buck. Two of the

2153
01:52:55,067 --> 01:52:57,267
Speaker 2: three are with us now as Shannon Puck who's stuck

2154
01:52:57,347 --> 01:52:58,307
Speaker 2: in traffic or something?

2155
01:52:58,387 --> 01:53:01,387
Speaker 8: Boys, Yeah, I think he is, Piney. He's just timing

2156
01:53:01,467 --> 01:53:03,627
Speaker 8: his run as he used to do, coming in for fullback.

2157
01:53:04,547 --> 01:53:07,227
Speaker 8: He sees the mall's been taken, the line out drives

2158
01:53:07,267 --> 01:53:09,907
Speaker 8: on and he's actually I think he's dropped a boot

2159
01:53:10,307 --> 01:53:12,107
Speaker 8: at the back. He's just stopped to put his boots

2160
01:53:12,147 --> 01:53:14,307
Speaker 8: back on before he enters the line, timing.

2161
01:53:14,427 --> 01:53:15,187
Speaker 9: Poor Puck?

2162
01:53:15,227 --> 01:53:16,027
Speaker 3: Who poor?

2163
01:53:17,547 --> 01:53:18,347
Speaker 9: He does?

2164
01:53:18,467 --> 01:53:20,227
Speaker 8: Tell me he knows who the teams are? Well, that's

2165
01:53:20,267 --> 01:53:22,587
Speaker 8: a bloody good starters, both, Piney.

2166
01:53:22,667 --> 01:53:24,707
Speaker 26: Just before we get into the rugby, have you found

2167
01:53:24,707 --> 01:53:26,587
Speaker 26: out who the fielding coach for the black Caps is?

2168
01:53:26,867 --> 01:53:28,627
Speaker 2: I think it's James Foster. You need to turn your

2169
01:53:28,667 --> 01:53:30,987
Speaker 2: microphone on as well. Matt Barker you if you wanted

2170
01:53:31,027 --> 01:53:34,107
Speaker 2: to join in the conversation. But I think it's James Foster.

2171
01:53:34,307 --> 01:53:36,587
Speaker 2: I think he is the fielding coach for the black Caps.

2172
01:53:36,787 --> 01:53:38,587
Speaker 2: Can you give us an idea what the weather is

2173
01:53:38,707 --> 01:53:39,107
Speaker 2: like today?

2174
01:53:39,147 --> 01:53:39,587
Speaker 10: For this one?

2175
01:53:40,627 --> 01:53:43,307
Speaker 2: It's wet, as simple as that.

2176
01:53:43,387 --> 01:53:44,107
Speaker 26: Can you hear me? Pony?

2177
01:53:44,187 --> 01:53:45,747
Speaker 2: This time got you this time? Matte?

2178
01:53:45,787 --> 01:53:46,427
Speaker 9: Yes? Beautiful?

2179
01:53:46,507 --> 01:53:49,107
Speaker 26: Yeah, yeah, Look, we've Bondie and high Beat here for

2180
01:53:49,147 --> 01:53:52,627
Speaker 26: about an hour we were down at ground level taking shelter.

2181
01:53:53,307 --> 01:53:55,347
Speaker 26: The rain came through quite heavy when both teams arrived

2182
01:53:55,387 --> 01:53:57,067
Speaker 26: at the ground. The wind slide away, which is a

2183
01:53:57,107 --> 01:53:59,707
Speaker 26: good thing, but it continues to drizzle at the moment.

2184
01:53:59,827 --> 01:54:02,267
Speaker 26: Heavy showers our forecast. But I don't think it'll affect

2185
01:54:02,267 --> 01:54:04,987
Speaker 26: the BONDI too much. We've seen a lot of both

2186
01:54:05,027 --> 01:54:07,187
Speaker 26: teams working very hard at looks what looks like line

2187
01:54:07,227 --> 01:54:09,987
Speaker 26: out and driving play. Both these coaches known for that.

2188
01:54:10,147 --> 01:54:13,307
Speaker 26: But yeah, I think that like always Piney, you know,

2189
01:54:13,427 --> 01:54:15,787
Speaker 26: that's ground as well as anyone sky stadium in beautiful condition,

2190
01:54:15,947 --> 01:54:17,187
Speaker 26: so a bit of rain won't hurt.

2191
01:54:17,307 --> 01:54:20,227
Speaker 8: Yeah, Piney, I think there's the old swirling wind around.

2192
01:54:20,267 --> 01:54:22,547
Speaker 8: We were in the hutch talking to Bernie Upton, the

2193
01:54:22,587 --> 01:54:24,947
Speaker 8: Wellington lineout coach, and he was saying, it's quite funny.

2194
01:54:24,947 --> 01:54:26,467
Speaker 8: There's a little bit of breeze over in front of

2195
01:54:26,507 --> 01:54:28,827
Speaker 8: the tunnel where the players come out onto the park,

2196
01:54:29,147 --> 01:54:31,707
Speaker 8: then down in sort of the other corner, the hot

2197
01:54:31,827 --> 01:54:33,787
Speaker 8: Valley end of the stadium. In the middle there was

2198
01:54:33,827 --> 01:54:36,827
Speaker 8: really no wind whatsoever, so just a typical sort of

2199
01:54:36,947 --> 01:54:39,507
Speaker 8: swirly breeze in and around, and it's a pretty light

2200
01:54:39,547 --> 01:54:43,667
Speaker 8: one at that it's gloomy overhead. It's in fact, I

2201
01:54:43,707 --> 01:54:45,747
Speaker 8: wouldn't be surprised they turned the lights on shortly. To

2202
01:54:45,787 --> 01:54:48,227
Speaker 8: be fair, the rain wasn't forecast to come to four o'clock,

2203
01:54:48,427 --> 01:54:50,667
Speaker 8: so clearly that they haven't read the forecast. The rains

2204
01:54:50,707 --> 01:54:54,267
Speaker 8: come early. It is just a little bit will make conditions.

2205
01:54:54,267 --> 01:54:56,227
Speaker 8: I guess a little bit greasy on top. And Bernie

2206
01:54:56,307 --> 01:54:59,747
Speaker 8: Upton quote was a little bit concerned about that. Wellington

2207
01:54:59,827 --> 01:55:01,547
Speaker 8: wanted to play that width game and he said this

2208
01:55:01,627 --> 01:55:03,787
Speaker 8: will sort of change things a little bit. I don't

2209
01:55:03,787 --> 01:55:05,627
Speaker 8: think Richard Allen what at the other end, is too

2210
01:55:05,707 --> 01:55:09,067
Speaker 8: concerned about. That's because the Bay of Plenty Steamers boys

2211
01:55:09,107 --> 01:55:11,027
Speaker 8: have been doing a lot of lineouts and a lot

2212
01:55:11,067 --> 01:55:11,947
Speaker 8: of line out drives.

2213
01:55:12,027 --> 01:55:12,907
Speaker 9: So I'm packing.

2214
01:55:12,987 --> 01:55:15,147
Speaker 8: They ould a stick skipper Eckland in the boot. They'll

2215
01:55:15,147 --> 01:55:17,427
Speaker 8: throw it to Nitara Khoi and they'll roll their sleeves

2216
01:55:17,467 --> 01:55:19,827
Speaker 8: up and roll up and down the stadium. So yeah,

2217
01:55:20,027 --> 01:55:23,547
Speaker 8: it's we've had a lot worse conditions. It is actually

2218
01:55:23,587 --> 01:55:25,067
Speaker 8: really warm, which is quite interesting.

2219
01:55:25,547 --> 01:55:28,667
Speaker 2: That's good, good to hear. Jackson Garden Baship returns after

2220
01:55:28,787 --> 01:55:32,147
Speaker 2: missing the semi final with a hamstring injury. Bucky I

2221
01:55:32,187 --> 01:55:34,067
Speaker 2: heard you on the radio yes to say you were

2222
01:55:34,107 --> 01:55:36,307
Speaker 2: concerned about how quickly he had come back from a

2223
01:55:36,347 --> 01:55:38,507
Speaker 2: hamstring injury. Can you see him out there? Is he

2224
01:55:38,667 --> 01:55:40,747
Speaker 2: running freely? Yeah, he's out there.

2225
01:55:40,787 --> 01:55:42,987
Speaker 26: He's been out for a while. Actually, most of the

2226
01:55:43,067 --> 01:55:45,427
Speaker 26: guys only arrived on the field probably about twenty five

2227
01:55:45,427 --> 01:55:47,747
Speaker 26: minutes ago. He was out a bit earlier. I was

2228
01:55:47,827 --> 01:55:50,747
Speaker 26: vocal both yesterday and today saying I thought a hamstring

2229
01:55:50,867 --> 01:55:54,187
Speaker 26: was normally about twenty one days. But he's come back.

2230
01:55:54,227 --> 01:55:56,987
Speaker 26: I spoke to Orlando on the All Sports Bridge this morning.

2231
01:55:57,107 --> 01:56:00,387
Speaker 26: He said that he wouldn't be playing if he wasn't

2232
01:56:00,467 --> 01:56:03,627
Speaker 26: needed or wasn't fit. So they have trust in Jackson

2233
01:56:03,627 --> 01:56:06,907
Speaker 26: Garden baship. Of course, Pineans' one hundredth game very special

2234
01:56:06,947 --> 01:56:09,427
Speaker 26: occasion for him, and he'll be out there to run

2235
01:56:09,467 --> 01:56:11,547
Speaker 26: the cut of bond of You're pretty comfortable that he'll

2236
01:56:11,547 --> 01:56:13,187
Speaker 26: be right and you'll see the game out. What we

2237
01:56:13,267 --> 01:56:15,787
Speaker 26: did discuss yesterday, though, I think with you Piney was

2238
01:56:15,987 --> 01:56:18,907
Speaker 26: he plays big minutes, so he plays the full eighty normally.

2239
01:56:19,307 --> 01:56:21,467
Speaker 26: I wonder whether today he might play sixty or seventy.

2240
01:56:21,547 --> 01:56:23,747
Speaker 8: Yeah, they've got Harken on the bench as a backup

2241
01:56:23,827 --> 01:56:26,427
Speaker 8: I guess they've also got young Stanley Solomon, who's played

2242
01:56:26,427 --> 01:56:27,467
Speaker 8: a favorite of Code.

2243
01:56:27,427 --> 01:56:29,627
Speaker 9: At ten as well, so they got cover there. Look.

2244
01:56:29,947 --> 01:56:33,787
Speaker 8: I saw j GP two weeks ago, the day after

2245
01:56:33,867 --> 01:56:36,267
Speaker 8: he did it out at the Kilbernie Aquatic Center. He

2246
01:56:36,627 --> 01:56:38,147
Speaker 8: had the kids in the swimming pool. I was just

2247
01:56:38,187 --> 01:56:40,707
Speaker 8: walking past, getting a coffee, as you do, and he

2248
01:56:41,347 --> 01:56:43,587
Speaker 8: was pretty confident he'd be right by the time the

2249
01:56:43,667 --> 01:56:46,027
Speaker 8: final came. Piney, I'm just looking at him running around

2250
01:56:46,067 --> 01:56:48,747
Speaker 8: down in front of us. There is no heavy strapping,

2251
01:56:48,827 --> 01:56:50,627
Speaker 8: no bandaging at all on the leg. So that's a

2252
01:56:50,667 --> 01:56:53,387
Speaker 8: great sign. And I said to Bucky this morning, you

2253
01:56:53,467 --> 01:56:58,267
Speaker 8: know last weekend in the semi final, he was out

2254
01:56:58,347 --> 01:57:00,667
Speaker 8: here with the warm up sort of kicking and taking

2255
01:57:00,707 --> 01:57:03,147
Speaker 8: the high ball. Say, I think he was pretty much

2256
01:57:03,267 --> 01:57:05,867
Speaker 8: right last weekend. I think the key position in the

2257
01:57:05,907 --> 01:57:08,427
Speaker 8: other guy. I've been really impressed, and I know what

2258
01:57:08,547 --> 01:57:10,467
Speaker 8: he has been to with the way Caleb Trusk has

2259
01:57:10,507 --> 01:57:12,347
Speaker 8: come back into this bay of plenty Steamer's side.

2260
01:57:12,667 --> 01:57:14,027
Speaker 9: These conditions will suit him.

2261
01:57:14,067 --> 01:57:17,307
Speaker 8: He is an outstanding general and mover of a team

2262
01:57:17,387 --> 01:57:19,507
Speaker 8: around a park, and this little bit of sort of

2263
01:57:19,547 --> 01:57:22,067
Speaker 8: drizzle and start will suit Truss down down to the

2264
01:57:22,147 --> 01:57:23,867
Speaker 8: tee I reckon and he'll be a key player.

2265
01:57:24,107 --> 01:57:26,507
Speaker 9: The tens will have a key component and key role

2266
01:57:26,587 --> 01:57:27,107
Speaker 9: in this game.

2267
01:57:27,587 --> 01:57:29,827
Speaker 2: I feel like the twelves and thirteens might as well. Guys,

2268
01:57:29,867 --> 01:57:31,867
Speaker 2: and I'll get your view on this. Higgins who's been

2269
01:57:31,947 --> 01:57:35,307
Speaker 2: excellent for Wellington. Peter Rumunger Jensen also back for Wellington.

2270
01:57:35,347 --> 01:57:38,747
Speaker 2: But then willis Hala Halo and in Mornie Nudaway at

2271
01:57:38,827 --> 01:57:40,827
Speaker 2: center for Bay of Plenty. How do you see that

2272
01:57:41,027 --> 01:57:41,907
Speaker 2: match up playing out?

2273
01:57:42,267 --> 01:57:44,187
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll go quickly first.

2274
01:57:44,267 --> 01:57:47,507
Speaker 8: Higgins and Umunger Jensen are a different twelve thirteen combination,

2275
01:57:47,667 --> 01:57:50,227
Speaker 8: I guess than what the Bay of Penny Steamers bring.

2276
01:57:50,987 --> 01:57:53,667
Speaker 8: Higgins has been sort of in and around the mister

2277
01:57:53,747 --> 01:57:56,747
Speaker 8: fixer in that Wellington back line. Umunga Jensen coming back

2278
01:57:57,227 --> 01:57:58,467
Speaker 8: is a big bonus.

2279
01:57:58,147 --> 01:58:00,027
Speaker 9: For the Lions. He was very good in the quarter

2280
01:58:00,147 --> 01:58:02,627
Speaker 9: final when he came on, he carried strongly.

2281
01:58:03,307 --> 01:58:05,227
Speaker 8: He's a Knox to try and stop when he goes

2282
01:58:05,307 --> 01:58:10,387
Speaker 8: Forwardiggins is more the ballplayer. Hella Hollow has that ability,

2283
01:58:10,547 --> 01:58:13,547
Speaker 8: but Narrower and Halle Hollo for me are more ballplayers.

2284
01:58:13,947 --> 01:58:15,387
Speaker 9: Narrower coming in off the wing.

2285
01:58:16,147 --> 01:58:18,187
Speaker 8: He's been outstanding at the Tower on and Domain this

2286
01:58:18,307 --> 01:58:20,947
Speaker 8: year sort of slicing defenses apart, so he had two

2287
01:58:21,027 --> 01:58:24,587
Speaker 8: different sort of midfield Bucky again. I guess the drizzly

2288
01:58:24,667 --> 01:58:26,507
Speaker 8: stuff might set the Wellington pairing a bit more.

2289
01:58:26,667 --> 01:58:29,147
Speaker 26: Yeah, I think we spoke of it last week Piney

2290
01:58:29,187 --> 01:58:32,867
Speaker 26: and commentary Bondie and I that Higgins sort of sometimes

2291
01:58:32,907 --> 01:58:35,267
Speaker 26: when he goes away from that hard running, straight sort

2292
01:58:35,267 --> 01:58:39,267
Speaker 26: of rugby, can sort of put him off his going game.

2293
01:58:39,347 --> 01:58:41,427
Speaker 26: But when he plays hard and goes to the line

2294
01:58:41,547 --> 01:58:44,667
Speaker 26: hard and straight, he's very very good. Hollo Hollo is

2295
01:58:44,707 --> 01:58:46,347
Speaker 26: a lot the same, and so I was Umonger Jensen.

2296
01:58:46,387 --> 01:58:49,147
Speaker 26: But as Bondie says, Nadawa's got that X factor about him.

2297
01:58:49,387 --> 01:58:51,387
Speaker 26: He can cut you the ribbons. He has an all

2298
01:58:51,427 --> 01:58:55,147
Speaker 26: black Remember he's got guys like Leroy Carter and Rhon

2299
01:58:55,227 --> 01:58:57,907
Speaker 26: Paul outside him. So in one breath you say, you know,

2300
01:58:58,027 --> 01:59:00,027
Speaker 26: we've watched the warm up. We know what Richard what

2301
01:59:00,227 --> 01:59:02,747
Speaker 26: and how he coaches a lot of ecklin to our coil.

2302
01:59:02,787 --> 01:59:04,947
Speaker 26: Let's set out the drive and go. But I wouldn't

2303
01:59:04,947 --> 01:59:07,547
Speaker 26: be surprised early, Bondie if they show a bit, show

2304
01:59:07,587 --> 01:59:10,987
Speaker 26: their cards and kick a bit and played territory. But

2305
01:59:11,067 --> 01:59:13,027
Speaker 26: then give the backs an opportunity.

2306
01:59:13,267 --> 01:59:15,547
Speaker 2: All right, Duplessi kadif we know was out for a

2307
01:59:15,587 --> 01:59:17,627
Speaker 2: long time with a broken jaw that he suffered against

2308
01:59:17,707 --> 01:59:20,547
Speaker 2: Unawoud two back in time for the quarterfinal and last

2309
01:59:20,587 --> 01:59:24,107
Speaker 2: weekend semi final, Bondie. How big an influence do you

2310
01:59:24,187 --> 01:59:27,387
Speaker 2: perceive Duplessi Kardifi has on this Wellington side.

2311
01:59:27,627 --> 01:59:31,147
Speaker 8: About Everest, Probably as big as you can have an

2312
01:59:31,187 --> 01:59:34,467
Speaker 8: influence on any sporting team. There was two or three

2313
01:59:34,627 --> 01:59:36,827
Speaker 8: key moments last weekend in the semi final.

2314
01:59:36,907 --> 01:59:37,307
Speaker 9: There was the.

2315
01:59:37,947 --> 01:59:41,027
Speaker 8: Driving tackle that caused a turnover that I just about

2316
01:59:41,067 --> 01:59:43,387
Speaker 8: lost my lungs doing commentary on in the second half.

2317
01:59:43,947 --> 01:59:48,307
Speaker 8: Then there was two turnovers about that followed quickly after that.

2318
01:59:49,667 --> 01:59:53,867
Speaker 8: He is just monumental within this line setup. And if

2319
01:59:53,907 --> 01:59:57,347
Speaker 8: you talk to the boys themselves, they say, and they'll

2320
01:59:57,507 --> 01:59:59,307
Speaker 8: openly say, they are a different team when he's on

2321
01:59:59,347 --> 02:00:02,507
Speaker 8: the field. I mean he's Look, he's a There's different

2322
02:00:02,547 --> 02:00:04,867
Speaker 8: types of leaders, different types of captains. There's those that

2323
02:00:04,987 --> 02:00:07,747
Speaker 8: you know don't speak to much, and that's follow me.

2324
02:00:07,867 --> 02:00:09,667
Speaker 8: Then there's the others who do a lot of it

2325
02:00:09,707 --> 02:00:13,827
Speaker 8: with their talking. He's both and I thought his postmatch

2326
02:00:13,907 --> 02:00:16,547
Speaker 8: interview last weekend with Bucky after was one of the

2327
02:00:16,587 --> 02:00:18,587
Speaker 8: probably the best I've heard in twenty eight years of

2328
02:00:18,667 --> 02:00:22,947
Speaker 8: doing this. Just the way he galvanizes that team, the

2329
02:00:23,027 --> 02:00:26,267
Speaker 8: way he speaks to the referees. We know he's had

2330
02:00:26,307 --> 02:00:28,547
Speaker 8: his credits in the past, He's given away a lot

2331
02:00:28,587 --> 02:00:30,387
Speaker 8: of penalties. He seems to have sorted that out in

2332
02:00:30,467 --> 02:00:32,987
Speaker 8: his game. But just his physical presence, I mean, a

2333
02:00:33,067 --> 02:00:34,947
Speaker 8: guy that dead lifts. What he does in the gym,

2334
02:00:35,507 --> 02:00:37,547
Speaker 8: it's scary to watch, and he's scary on the field

2335
02:00:37,587 --> 02:00:38,147
Speaker 8: at the moment too.

2336
02:00:38,307 --> 02:00:40,507
Speaker 26: You've also got to remember Piney that Clayton McMillan is

2337
02:00:40,587 --> 02:00:43,067
Speaker 26: yet to name an All Blacks fifteen captain, and if

2338
02:00:43,107 --> 02:00:45,587
Speaker 26: you look through that list, kreif, he's probably your perfect

2339
02:00:46,587 --> 02:00:48,867
Speaker 26: example or put the guy who stands out to be

2340
02:00:48,907 --> 02:00:51,707
Speaker 26: the leader of that All Black fifteen which heads out tomorrow.

2341
02:00:51,787 --> 02:00:55,427
Speaker 26: But I agree with everything Bondie says. He's the ignition

2342
02:00:55,547 --> 02:00:59,307
Speaker 26: in this team. He plays to the line a bit.

2343
02:01:00,107 --> 02:01:02,067
Speaker 26: He gave away a penalty I think when we commentated,

2344
02:01:02,107 --> 02:01:04,667
Speaker 26: and you know Keith was refereeing, but you knew he

2345
02:01:04,707 --> 02:01:07,187
Speaker 26: didn't mind giving that penalty away bond Piney because he

2346
02:01:07,267 --> 02:01:09,347
Speaker 26: knew he was in the game and the referee UW

2347
02:01:09,427 --> 02:01:10,667
Speaker 26: was in the game and the other team years in

2348
02:01:10,747 --> 02:01:13,907
Speaker 26: the game, so he is fizz for this one. He

2349
02:01:13,987 --> 02:01:16,987
Speaker 26: also spoke Bondie after the game last week about he

2350
02:01:17,107 --> 02:01:19,027
Speaker 26: went to the team huddle and said that it should

2351
02:01:19,067 --> 02:01:20,427
Speaker 26: be a privilege for you all to play in a

2352
02:01:20,467 --> 02:01:22,867
Speaker 26: game like that last week against wak Cattle because it

2353
02:01:23,067 --> 02:01:25,427
Speaker 26: was worth warfare, wasn't it? And he said every player

2354
02:01:25,507 --> 02:01:27,227
Speaker 26: should be should be thinking the like of stars that

2355
02:01:27,227 --> 02:01:27,947
Speaker 26: they played in that game.

2356
02:01:28,027 --> 02:01:30,387
Speaker 9: Finally, like all good fallbacks, Puck who's now just into

2357
02:01:30,467 --> 02:01:32,227
Speaker 9: the back line. He's arrived.

2358
02:01:32,547 --> 02:01:34,987
Speaker 8: He's arrived into the commentary box. So we're now a three.

2359
02:01:35,507 --> 02:01:37,267
Speaker 8: We're not a two where or three? So you can

2360
02:01:37,387 --> 02:01:38,987
Speaker 8: you can ask him a question if you want to.

2361
02:01:39,107 --> 02:01:41,747
Speaker 8: He's he's standing out in the jockey position ready to

2362
02:01:41,787 --> 02:01:43,867
Speaker 8: come into the back line and he.

2363
02:01:43,907 --> 02:01:47,947
Speaker 2: Always inserts himself with great dominance. I've learned about Shannon

2364
02:01:47,987 --> 02:01:49,467
Speaker 2: park Who over the years. Pucked is good to have

2365
02:01:49,467 --> 02:01:51,467
Speaker 2: you as part of our commentary this afternoon. You'd have

2366
02:01:51,587 --> 02:01:55,107
Speaker 2: Wellington winning this one. What unders i'd imagine. Well, it's

2367
02:01:55,187 --> 02:01:55,787
Speaker 2: quite interesting.

2368
02:01:55,827 --> 02:01:57,587
Speaker 27: I sat down going through the stats over the last

2369
02:01:57,627 --> 02:02:00,067
Speaker 27: couple of days and it's true if you went off

2370
02:02:00,067 --> 02:02:02,187
Speaker 27: the stats alone, I think I'd be putting my money

2371
02:02:02,227 --> 02:02:05,787
Speaker 27: on Bay of plenty. But considering that, I think the

2372
02:02:05,907 --> 02:02:07,707
Speaker 27: lines have that have gone through their dip the season,

2373
02:02:07,867 --> 02:02:11,747
Speaker 27: so at home it's gonna be pretty tough, but I've

2374
02:02:11,787 --> 02:02:15,627
Speaker 27: got it as a fairly balanced contest this afternoon.

2375
02:02:15,507 --> 02:02:17,147
Speaker 2: All right, looking forward to your core boys.

2376
02:02:17,187 --> 02:02:17,387
Speaker 9: Thanks.

2377
02:02:17,427 --> 02:02:20,707
Speaker 2: Indeed, that is Sannon Parker's voice alongside Ross Bond in

2378
02:02:21,027 --> 02:02:23,067
Speaker 2: commentary with Matt buck Down on the sideline and the

2379
02:02:23,147 --> 02:02:27,347
Speaker 2: famous Blue Jacket. You can hear those boys on on

2380
02:02:27,507 --> 02:02:30,107
Speaker 2: You can hear those boys on Gold Sport and Nightheartradio

2381
02:02:30,187 --> 02:02:32,387
Speaker 2: from just after three o'clock this afternoon with a full

2382
02:02:32,427 --> 02:02:34,267
Speaker 2: match commentary. Don't forget, of course, we also have All

2383
02:02:34,267 --> 02:02:37,187
Speaker 2: Blacks commentary for you tonight, All Blacks of Japan. Our

2384
02:02:37,187 --> 02:02:39,307
Speaker 2: build up starts at six here on News Talks head

2385
02:02:39,347 --> 02:02:42,467
Speaker 2: beg with kickoff scheduled for around ten to seven. Nine

2386
02:02:42,507 --> 02:02:45,827
Speaker 2: to three News Talks head be analyzing every view from

2387
02:02:45,987 --> 02:02:47,907
Speaker 2: every angle in the Sporting World.

2388
02:02:48,107 --> 02:02:51,707
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Fine call always hundred and eighty

2389
02:02:51,867 --> 02:02:53,347
Speaker 1: and eighty News Talks EDB.

2390
02:02:53,987 --> 02:02:55,707
Speaker 2: Five and a half to three. That's us on Weekend

2391
02:02:55,787 --> 02:02:57,987
Speaker 2: Sport for today, Tim beverage after three, but then my

2392
02:02:58,107 --> 02:03:00,107
Speaker 2: back at six. Looking forward to coming back at six

2393
02:03:00,147 --> 02:03:02,187
Speaker 2: o'clock tonight. Here on News Talk's head B for build

2394
02:03:02,267 --> 02:03:05,387
Speaker 2: up towards the Test match All Blacks Japan, Elliot Smith

2395
02:03:05,427 --> 02:03:08,627
Speaker 2: and Gregor Paul have the call. Kickoff is scheduled for

2396
02:03:08,747 --> 02:03:12,027
Speaker 2: around ten to seven, give or take a middle or two,

2397
02:03:12,147 --> 02:03:14,027
Speaker 2: so we'll build up for forty five minutes, then throw

2398
02:03:14,027 --> 02:03:15,867
Speaker 2: it over to the boys and they can bring you

2399
02:03:16,027 --> 02:03:19,027
Speaker 2: the All Blacks tenth Test Match of twenty twenty four

2400
02:03:19,387 --> 02:03:22,107
Speaker 2: here on News Talk SEB. Also Gold Sport and iHeartRadio

2401
02:03:22,467 --> 02:03:25,107
Speaker 2: Bunning's MPC if you're looking for that once again Gold

2402
02:03:25,147 --> 02:03:28,347
Speaker 2: Sport and iHeartRadio. That game underway in around ten minutes

2403
02:03:28,387 --> 02:03:31,707
Speaker 2: from now, and we're back tomorrow on Weekend Sport. We'll

2404
02:03:31,787 --> 02:03:33,867
Speaker 2: break down the Test match. We'll also talk some Test

2405
02:03:33,987 --> 02:03:36,867
Speaker 2: cricket with you, depending on what happens. Are on day

2406
02:03:36,947 --> 02:03:39,787
Speaker 2: three in poone. We've got some rugby league as well,

2407
02:03:39,827 --> 02:03:42,027
Speaker 2: with that double header in christ Church tomorrow and Auckland

2408
02:03:42,147 --> 02:03:45,667
Speaker 2: FC with their second game in the A League MENS

2409
02:03:45,747 --> 02:03:50,627
Speaker 2: against Sydney FC tomorrow at four. Thanks for listening this afternoon, Hughes.

2410
02:03:50,667 --> 02:03:52,747
Speaker 2: Thanks to Anna McDonald for manning the phones and for

2411
02:03:52,867 --> 02:03:55,027
Speaker 2: producing the show. What is our exit song today?

2412
02:03:55,067 --> 02:03:55,227
Speaker 26: Mate?

2413
02:03:55,267 --> 02:03:57,107
Speaker 28: Well, this serves this sort of a reminder to me.

2414
02:03:57,827 --> 02:04:00,307
Speaker 28: I imagine you saw the news of Metallica returning to

2415
02:04:00,467 --> 02:04:04,387
Speaker 28: New Zealand next year, and I've playing the song into

2416
02:04:04,467 --> 02:04:06,707
Speaker 28: sand Man just so I remembered by its gets for

2417
02:04:07,067 --> 02:04:09,747
Speaker 28: my missus who wants to go. So it's a it's

2418
02:04:09,787 --> 02:04:12,947
Speaker 28: a memory jogging thing. I think they go on sale next.

2419
02:04:13,067 --> 02:04:14,507
Speaker 28: I know, I don't need to be promoting the town.

2420
02:04:14,547 --> 02:04:16,227
Speaker 28: Actually don't buy them, so I have a better chance

2421
02:04:16,267 --> 02:04:20,987
Speaker 28: of getting to backfired and entirely.

2422
02:04:21,627 --> 02:04:24,587
Speaker 2: Back far in spectacular fashion. But I don't mind the

2423
02:04:24,667 --> 02:04:26,507
Speaker 2: choice of song. All right, We'll see you guys at

2424
02:04:26,507 --> 02:04:27,067
Speaker 2: six tonight.

2425
02:05:15,667 --> 02:05:18,867
Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live

2426
02:05:18,987 --> 02:05:22,227
Speaker 1: to news Talks at b Weekends from midday, or follow

2427
02:05:22,307 --> 02:05:23,867
Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.