1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with US High Barry. Good afternoon, Heather, 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: So Chippy wasn't being altogether truthful yesterday? 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Was he Either that or he's got a very short 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: term memory problem. He's obviously forgotten that the Land Transport 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Revenue Amendment Bill came into the House in November last year. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: It allows tolling on existing road corridors. Now, like the 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: it's basically if they are nearby another area that's being 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: promoted or being upgraded. And in this case, of course, 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: the White Marta Crossing and the nine dollar tolls, it's 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: near the Auckland Harbor Bridge. So this legislation, when it's 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: finally passed, will allow tolling on the Auckland existing Auckland 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge. Now you remember Labor kicked up Bobbsey Dye 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: about suggestions that the harbor Bridge would be told Leader 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins after a State of the Nation address yesterday, 15 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: he told journalists no uncertain terms that Labour's position on this. 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: Tolling a new road is something that Labor has been 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: opened to previously tolling an existing road. There's something that 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 3: we've been opposed to tolling an existing road. There's something 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: that we've been opposed to. There's something that we've been 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: opposed to. 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: Well, clearly, Chips, is that you're trying to make a 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: point there. 23 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: Chippy's got a short term memory problem, like I said, 24 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: leading his party to vote for it, Yes for it, 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: joining National New Zealand First and the Act Party. So 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: he didn't even have to vote for it. He could 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: have voted against if he held such strong views. But 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: the bill will be reported back to the House in 29 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: May of this year. Is so maybe he might think twice. 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: Now, Well, I mean what this exposes is because he's 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: very quick to come out and say no, we're not 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: going to have the harbor Bridge tax, right, But it 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: exposes he was actually on the quiet more than more 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: than laying the groundwork for something like that. 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: Well, yes, but you know, you say, well did he 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: remember it? Well, if he didn't remember it, I think 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: he's got a bigger problem when he wants to be. 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: The no, what it is. What it is is that 39 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: our lovely Chris Hapkins with the very friendly little face 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: does love to tell a porky, doesn't he loves a porky? 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: Oh, this was a straight out one. 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: If that's the now I see true from Mallard's back 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: and giving interviews about what an awesome time he had 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: on our dollar. 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: Is a former speaker now well AND's gone back home 46 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: and knew Emata having been recalled. You remember by Winston 47 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Peters late last year from Dublin where he was our 48 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: ambassador for three years now, he sat down with his 49 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: old flatmate of old and I say, Audrey Young from 50 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: the Herald and essentially told her he was left to 51 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: his own devices in the Irish capital. 52 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 4: I didn't have contact with ministers while I was in Dublin. 53 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: Oh is that unusual? I don't know. It's a very 54 00:02:51,360 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 4: new post. Mister Peters had opened the post and you 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 4: remember there's only five million people in Ireland, so it's 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: not like it's you know, it's going to be the 57 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 4: central railway station for people coming through. It's not Brussels 58 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 4: or London. 59 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, he may not have had any ministers come calling, 60 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: but he did play host to four former prime ministers. 61 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: Alen Clark I went to see him, of course, Jasin 62 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: dar Dern and a private capacity went there. Chris Hipkins 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: on an official trip. He went there last year and 64 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: that bog Irish former National Prime Minister of the late 65 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: Jim Bolger. He was there too, he said he acted 66 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: as Bulger's driver from time to time. You can understand 67 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: why Winston Peters never visited though, because you remember he 68 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: was appointed to Dublin when Winston was out of Parliament. 69 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: And Winston came back, of course in twenty twenty three, 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: but in the intervening time he was trespassed from Parliament's 71 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: grounds by by Trevor Mallard, the speaker for visiting the 72 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: protest is down on the lawn visited the lot as well. 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: Did you read in that article the three things that 74 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: he says that we should copy? Yeah, I did with 75 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: real the Irish and the last of it was basically 76 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: beefing up our education system. Now correct me if I'm wrong. 77 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: But is he not the minister who brought an NCEEA 78 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: which is completely shat the bed with the education system? 79 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: Am I right? 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: Yes? No, I think you're right. 81 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: Actually, so lolls to Trevor Maller. 82 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: And he's a former teacher as well. 83 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we would have been copying Ireland 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: if we hadn't done the NZA. Thanks mate. Anyway, listen, 85 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: and Andrew Mount Batten Winsor's demotion from the line of 86 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: succession is now being backed by us. 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: Yes, it might surprise New Zealand to know that we 88 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: would have to change legislation to not acknowledge his succession 89 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: to the throne. At some stage. He is eighth in 90 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: line Harry's at part number five. Two children are there 91 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: as well. But look, it's going to be no skin 92 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: off our nose when he is dumped from the line 93 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: of succession. But look, this is an amazing story. It 94 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: just keeps on giving, doesn't it really? And I think 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: we haven't heard the last of this one yet. 96 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: Well not not, I mean, especially if you consider the 97 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: fact that it may well go to charges in court. 98 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: Not saying it will, but if it does, there's all 99 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: kinds of trouble that. 100 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: Makes your legislation will here will be interesting when they 101 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: debate it. 102 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: Hey, Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. 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