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Speaker 2: Hello you, Great New Zealisen. Welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show podcast number two four two four, the thirteenth

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Speaker 2: of November twenty twenty five. Thoroughly enjoyed. Today's show ends

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Speaker 2: with absolutely great chat with doctor Riley Elliott, the shark Man,

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Speaker 2: about sharks, and some great talk about sharks and people

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Speaker 2: ring in with their shark experiences. It was just very,

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Speaker 2: very interesting. And then we had the existential threats to

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Speaker 2: humanity and we had the American Border hysteria, and it

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Speaker 2: was just a really good shoot. We had it all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so download, subscribe and give us a review.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk sed B.

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Speaker 3: A very good afternoon to do you. Hope you're having

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Speaker 3: a great Thursday afternoon. Really great to have your company

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Speaker 3: as always, Get a.

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Speaker 2: Mets, get a Tyler, get everyone you Great New Zealand

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Speaker 2: thanks tuning in for the show. To the show. Now,

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Speaker 2: I've got a bit of a cautionary tale. Love this

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Speaker 2: already a cautionary tale, got ai. Yep. So I was

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Speaker 2: trying to get my internet sorted yesterday and I was

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Speaker 2: on the phone for a very long time and there

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Speaker 2: was there was sort of some problems going on. I'm

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Speaker 2: at that red buttons on it's is at yep. Then

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Speaker 2: some instructions around around sorting out the modem, right, okay, yep, fair,

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Speaker 2: even though this isn't what I needed, but that's all right, right, okay,

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it's just to connect the hardware. Step one,

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Speaker 2: Step two, excess motim in face with all the details.

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Speaker 2: Step three, bah blah blah, all this way all the

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Speaker 2: way down. But then when we get to the bottom

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Speaker 2: here at the bottom of the email, right, this is

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Speaker 2: greeting using the customer's name, informal but professional Kiwi tone,

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Speaker 2: clear ownership, and resolution, accurate steps added, a useful tip

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Speaker 2: and a touch of personality, correct sign off format. Oh mate,

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Speaker 2: say they chet gpt me you got them?

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Speaker 3: You got polished out by chet GPT.

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Speaker 2: So they've copied and pasted not only the steps to

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Speaker 2: delete the bit from chet GPT. Oh the product is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and do they nail that?

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Speaker 2: All ready bit here. If you ever run into speed

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Speaker 3: That's straight up AI that yeah, straight up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if that's a friendly sort of

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Speaker 3: today's show after three o'clock. This is going to be

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Speaker 3: shark experiences. Great story overseas marine biologist. His name is

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Speaker 3: He's a biologist and presenter on Discovery Channel Shark Week.

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Speaker 3: It's been asked quite a few times over recent years,

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting. Am I sorry? AI? Misalignment biggie, that's a

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Speaker 2: Nuclear awards three. This is existential risks. Yes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Existential refers to a potential future event that could either

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Speaker 3: I did see that text, and I wondered that if

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Speaker 3: I think it was John. He did sign his name.

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Speaker 2: It's troubling if your puke, your gag reaction is to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, is this just a media beat up? Because

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Speaker 3: So thirty six people needed assistance from in fat when

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Speaker 3: entering the United States. That was up from nine last year.

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Speaker 3: But look, that is where stats can get a little

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Speaker 2: Potentially?

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Speaker 2: Someone might be able to help me.

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Speaker 2: Someone might help me miss that. So, yeah, have you

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Speaker 2: What was it like? Did you get strip searched in

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Speaker 3: Come on through nine two nine two set text number.

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Speaker 3: It is quarter past one.

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Speaker 4: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon tore it's eighteen pass one. So we're

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Speaker 3: talking about traveling to the United States. The story in

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Speaker 3: it makes it a bit tougher to get through. But

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Speaker 3: is that really the case, Lovety, of You're experience sosz

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Speaker 3: e one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 2: Lad's wife and I went in and out of Alaska

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Speaker 2: and May with no issues. Most having problems may not

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Speaker 2: have the right visa for their visit. Yeah, Alex, welcome

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Speaker 8: Hello, Hello, how are you very very good?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: No, We went to the States in August and no,

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Speaker 10: I didn't have any problem whatsoever. And the airport staff

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Speaker 7: I didn't feel.

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Speaker 10: Didn't feel threatened or uncomfortable, and just shot through fairly quickly.

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Speaker 3: But maybe that is just lax. That would have been

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Speaker 2: It's just a weird vibe. It's a low ceiling, you know,

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten to eighty is that

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Speaker 2: Is that true? Well, is it saying it's harder. It's

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Speaker 3: You'll lose a lot. One hundred percent. Yeah, oh, one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

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Speaker 5: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Scumming scandals of Brian Roches. Of course, the Public Service

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Speaker 13: I think we're in a really difficult position.

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Speaker 7: The public is asking very valid questions.

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Speaker 2: I think I said, how many questions should I ask

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Speaker 2: you on cost? And you're going to say, I can't

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Speaker 5: That probably covers it.

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Speaker 13: And I know that's frustrating, but I am not going

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Speaker 2: If you are in a job and you've done nothing

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Speaker 14: I think the issue is if the information had been

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Speaker 7: Of the appointment, would it have been relevant. That's the

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. So have you changed your

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Speaker 3: saying that changes to the border makes it a bit

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call in?

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine to If you've recently been to the States,

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Speaker 3: how was it, How did you find it? What was

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Speaker 2: I'm good to yourself, very good.

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Speaker 13: That's the story. Just come back from the States two

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Speaker 13: and balances. And the little tricks you can learn is

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Speaker 8: Your polite, have your esta done, have all your paperwork.

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Speaker 13: My wife and I have been in there many times

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Speaker 13: and we've never had an issue at all. What people do.

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Speaker 13: Some people try to argue that they should be able

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Speaker 13: And all you've got to do is do we bit

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Speaker 2: So having the hotel address or the address you're staying

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Speaker 13: If you see people and there is a question where

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Speaker 13: I remember, darling, do you know? And you know and

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Speaker 15: So you have all you have all that.

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Speaker 13: Stuff ready to go and your fly and you just

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Speaker 5: An alien until you're not.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's how they You've got to look at it

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's a country that? Do you think

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Speaker 2: it's true? Mike that just in general and America, they

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Speaker 13: But what you do is when you're in Rome, you

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Speaker 13: Anything above your ankle. We don't have water on us.

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Speaker 13: We have all our paperwork. When somebody's yelling at you

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Speaker 13: just do it. And when they say you've got to

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Speaker 13: We need to know we found it. You know, everybody's

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Speaker 13: and thinks we had all that.

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Speaker 8: But we didn't.

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Speaker 13: When you've got everything ready to go, you don't notice

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Speaker 13: So we had no issues whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: I thank you so much for your call, Mike. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: awesome to hear. Well, we're not getting anyone coming through

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Speaker 3: If there's someone listening that did actually get pulled aside

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Speaker 3: Did you get stripped down and did you get incarcerated?

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Speaker 3: If you were listening out there and this has happened

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Speaker 2: Hey, a lot of people talking about, you know, getting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty full on right where the

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Speaker 3: headline's coming up. But we've got full boards. If you

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Speaker 3: can't get through, keep train. It is twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 2: Jose talks.

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Speaker 16: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

439
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Speaker 16: with a blue bubble. A survivor's advocate says there needs

440
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Speaker 16: to be a refocus on the sexual complaint process. After

441
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Speaker 16: the IPCA is highlighted, senior police staff failed to address

442
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Speaker 16: a woman's serious allegations against then Deputy commissioner. The accuser

443
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Speaker 16: was arrested and prosecuted for harassment. A think tank researcher

444
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Speaker 16: has put up an idea of signing all children up

445
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Speaker 16: to kiwisaver at birth, and suggestions of a government kickstart

446
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Speaker 16: payment and annual deposits. State Highway seven is likely to

447
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Speaker 16: be blocked for some time north of christ Church near

448
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Speaker 16: Culverdon after a crash between Long Plantation and School Roads.

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Speaker 16: Works beginning on the Hawks Bay Expressway Corridor, which will

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Speaker 16: include seven kilometers of four laning two lane overpasses and

451
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Speaker 16: bridges and of four lane interchange in state highway ones

452
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Speaker 16: closing through the Brindeuwans in Northland for the next four days,

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Speaker 16: the first of two resurfacing long weekend closures this month.

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Speaker 16: D v and Z Breakfast presenter Jennie Mae Clarkson is

455
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Speaker 16: quitting as co host from November twenty one. Property editor

456
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Speaker 16: Anne Gibson lists the biggest development projects lined up for Auckland.

457
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Speaker 16: You can get the details at enzid Herald Premium. Back

458
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Speaker 16: to Matte Eath and Tyer Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylean.

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Speaker 3: So do you think that media headlines are overreacting to

461
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Speaker 3: US border checks? Many media organizations say it's tougher for

462
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Speaker 3: Kiwis to get into the United States, But is that true?

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Speaker 2: Love to hear your experiences. This text is true of

464
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Speaker 2: a lot of texts from people that are coming through

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Speaker 2: that have been the States recently. The thing you noticed

466
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Speaker 2: in the States is that Kiwi's and Kiwi media talk

467
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Speaker 2: more about Trump than they do. You don't hardly hear

468
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Speaker 2: about Trump when you're traveling around the States. Yeah. Yeah,

469
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Speaker 2: you'd be lucky to go five minutes without hearing in

470
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Speaker 2: New Zealander bleating about Trump. Wonder why we care so much?

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Speaker 2: Why is it? I just had some friends that came

472
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Speaker 2: back from the States and said they didn't have a

473
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Speaker 2: single conversation about politics when they were over there.

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Speaker 3: Is it because it's way more interesting than what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's a kind of that small country syndrome that you

477
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Speaker 3: want to look further afield to where it's a bit

478
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Speaker 3: more exciting.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're outward looking, aren't we. Amy, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Hi, nice to have you on. So you

481
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Speaker 3: were actually detained at the border?

482
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Speaker 7: Amy, Yeah, well, I guess.

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Speaker 17: So.

484
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Speaker 9: I was flying into LA to work in a summer camp,

485
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Speaker 9: and I scanned my passports like get those self scanned things,

486
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Speaker 9: scanned my passport and that like flesh red for the

487
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Speaker 9: man at the front like called me over to him.

488
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Speaker 9: So it's like fresh eighteen, like first OI walking over

489
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Speaker 9: and I was like, oh, hello, Like here's.

490
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Speaker 15: All my papers.

491
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Speaker 9: I didn't know what papers he wanted, gave them all

492
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Speaker 9: to him, and then he just like went on his

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Speaker 9: radio and then three officers like all armed up, one

494
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Speaker 9: of them and had like a oh, it.

495
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Speaker 17: Is for me.

496
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Speaker 9: And all I'd done was tix my dad and see

497
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Speaker 9: that I've landed. I'll call you when I'm at my

498
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Speaker 9: next gate. And then I was like trying to ask officers.

499
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Speaker 9: I was like, oh, like what's going on? And then

500
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Speaker 9: they'd put me into this room was like a whole

501
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Speaker 9: lot of other people, and I like kept.

502
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Speaker 15: Asking, like trying to just understand.

503
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Speaker 9: Why I was in this room, and no one would

504
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Speaker 9: answer my questions, and they told me I can't go

505
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Speaker 9: on my phone or they'll take it off me.

506
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Speaker 15: And then I accidentally went on my phone, so.

507
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Speaker 9: They took that off me and put me in a

508
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Speaker 9: separate room and I was in there for I think

509
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Speaker 9: about four hours.

510
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Speaker 15: But I didn't know the time.

511
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Speaker 9: And then I finally got spoken to, and I think

512
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Speaker 9: they thought my visa was fake because people had been

513
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Speaker 9: faking their visas or something.

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Speaker 15: But it was so scary. It's like an eighteen year

515
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Speaker 15: old school grown in a room.

516
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Speaker 2: So and then when I when was this amy last? Year,

517
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Speaker 2: like June June last year.

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Speaker 8: Yep, so I.

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Speaker 15: Now will never go back through LA because it's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: So that was when Joe Biden was the president. Yeah,

521
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Speaker 2: so boy, so the glock was out.

522
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Speaker 9: And the other two you had, like I don't know,

523
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Speaker 9: like guns across in but yeah, no, very scary.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what though. How was the camp summer

525
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Speaker 2: camp job?

526
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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: So cool? I highly recommend so much fun.

528
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Speaker 2: That's so cool that people do that. And as an

529
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Speaker 2: eighteen year old, you know you're brave enough and adventure

530
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Speaker 2: enough to go over and do something like that. Everyone

531
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Speaker 2: I know that that has done a summer camp job

532
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Speaker 2: is just absolutely life changing.

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Speaker 15: Yeah literally?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And how long? How long did you do that camp?

535
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Speaker 2: Summer camp? So you what do they call them? You

536
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Speaker 2: were a director? What do you call what's the name

537
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Speaker 2: when you work on a.

538
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Speaker 15: Camp?

539
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Speaker 2: Counselor counselor that's right?

540
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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Whereabouts was that?

542
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Speaker 9: That was a New Jersey but it was done our

543
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Speaker 9: drive from New York City so it was really cool.

544
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Speaker 15: We had our weekends could just gone to the city.

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Speaker 2: Oh how good?

546
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Speaker 15: And yeah cruiz round which was me?

547
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Speaker 2: And how long did the kids go to summer camp?

548
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Speaker 2: For Sorry I'm off topic for people listening, but I

549
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Speaker 2: find this summer camp stuff so interesting. How long do

550
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Speaker 2: kids go to the summer camp? Because's quite a long time,

551
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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And it kind of depends on what camps you

553
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Speaker 9: go to. Like I had a friend also from New

554
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Speaker 9: Zealand that went to one and she was looking after

555
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Speaker 9: Bob Mully's granddaughter or something. So they had like all

556
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Speaker 9: these famous people coming, whereas we had I was like

557
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Speaker 9: a charity campaig. Yes, so we had lots of underprivileged

558
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Speaker 9: kids coming from like the New.

559
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Speaker 15: York Bronx, right, and so they would come for a

560
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Speaker 15: week and then go and then we'll get them again

561
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Speaker 15: for the next week and that. But I was there

562
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Speaker 15: for six months. But I was also there for spring

563
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Speaker 15: as well, so I did a longest since then people

564
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Speaker 15: usually do. They usually just do the summer, which is

565
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Speaker 15: three months.

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Speaker 2: Have you been back to the state since then?

567
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Speaker 17: No? I haven't.

568
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Speaker 12: I want it.

569
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Speaker 15: I want to go back and to my friends.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, because you had made incredible friends with the

571
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Speaker 2: other counselors, right, yeah, yeah.

572
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Speaker 9: And lots of them are like from all over the world,

573
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Speaker 9: so it's really cool that I can go see them whenever,

574
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Speaker 9: but it's got a hustle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank good on y Amy, Thank you for your call. Yeah,

576
00:26:38,213 --> 00:26:40,613
Speaker 2: great caller. If I could go back in time, might

577
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Speaker 2: have been it. Summer camp looked like a great, fantastic time.

578
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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

579
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Speaker 3: number to call. We'll play a message and come back

580
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Speaker 3: with Richard who was in the States two weeks ago.

581
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Speaker 2: It is twenty to two.

582
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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

583
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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

584
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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon to you. It's eighteen to

585
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Speaker 3: two o'clock and we had been chatting about getting into

586
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Speaker 3: the United States. A story out today and the Heralds

587
00:27:09,693 --> 00:27:13,413
Speaker 3: makes claim that or many commentators saying, are Kiwis are

588
00:27:13,413 --> 00:27:15,133
Speaker 3: anxious trying to get into the States and it is

589
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Speaker 3: harder than it's ever been.

590
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Speaker 2: Is that true?

591
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Speaker 6: Oh?

592
00:27:17,053 --> 00:27:19,292
Speaker 2: Eight hundred the sixers said we had issues getting into

593
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Speaker 2: the States. Who are coming from Italy via Zurich to

594
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Speaker 2: San fran At Zurich. My daughter nineteen was one of

595
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Speaker 2: about forty randomly selected to be swabbed stomach between toes,

596
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Speaker 2: carry on bag et cetera. I see swabbed the stomach,

597
00:27:33,733 --> 00:27:35,973
Speaker 2: so they rub the front of your tummy, so right

598
00:27:36,053 --> 00:27:39,733
Speaker 2: inside between the toes, carry on bags, et cetera. Before

599
00:27:39,733 --> 00:27:41,453
Speaker 2: we could board the plane. Then a lot of repetitive

600
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Speaker 2: questions at San fan hasband and son came from New

601
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Speaker 2: Zealand straight to why I no issues at all? Experience

602
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Speaker 2: put us off traveling via the States. But I mean

603
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Speaker 2: that could happen to you going into any country. Yeah,

604
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Speaker 2: I've had I've had the fall once over in another room,

605
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Speaker 2: arriving in my own.

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Speaker 3: Country, yep, with my own past. I always seem to

607
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Speaker 3: get the bomb chick when I go into Australia. I

608
00:27:59,453 --> 00:28:02,213
Speaker 3: don't know why. There's something about me that sees excuse me, suk.

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Speaker 3: You just stand over here, we're doing a random bomb.

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Speaker 2: Chick, right, and I always get that. I often feel

611
00:28:06,653 --> 00:28:08,933
Speaker 2: like you might blow up the studio. You just said

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00:28:08,973 --> 00:28:10,693
Speaker 2: that looks.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe this is the problem. Why didn't you tell

614
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Speaker 3: me this before?

615
00:28:14,013 --> 00:28:16,173
Speaker 2: Is this the day that Tyler comes in with an

616
00:28:16,213 --> 00:28:20,053
Speaker 2: improvised explosive device? It all makes sense now, Richard, welcome

617
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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 18: I mean, are you?

619
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Speaker 2: Are you very good?

620
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Speaker 15: Thing?

621
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Speaker 7: Do you?

622
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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling? You've just been in the States.

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Speaker 18: Yes, I've been a number of times, saying most recent

624
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Speaker 18: one was just about two weeks ago. So I actually

625
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Speaker 18: actually had no issues. And I was there for about

626
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Speaker 18: four weeks and went through Washington, d C. Philadelphia, Virginia,

627
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Speaker 18: New York City, LA, and Las Vegas. And thank you more.

628
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Speaker 18: There is some rough bitch is within America, but like

629
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Speaker 18: a lot of things have been done and being cleaned up.

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Speaker 18: But as far as the airports interested consaid, I absolutely

631
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Speaker 18: had no issues, no problems at all.

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Speaker 7: M hm.

633
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Speaker 3: And is that a common experience for you, Richard, if

634
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Speaker 3: you traveled to the United States a fear few times.

635
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Speaker 18: And I've traveled to pay quite a few times for

636
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Speaker 18: different parts of America. But this time, I think a

637
00:29:17,853 --> 00:29:21,293
Speaker 18: lot of people, a lot of the media, let's probably

638
00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:24,893
Speaker 18: just hype it up or blow it up. And even

639
00:29:24,973 --> 00:29:28,253
Speaker 18: I was a bit scared and going this dune. But

640
00:29:28,853 --> 00:29:31,693
Speaker 18: when I went into absolutely no problem and they just

641
00:29:31,773 --> 00:29:34,173
Speaker 18: know it's not my question what you're here for, and

642
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Speaker 18: check a passport and it's just like within a minute,

643
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Speaker 18: me and my wife were and absolutely no problems at all.

644
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Speaker 2: You know, happy day. It's good to hear. There you

645
00:29:43,333 --> 00:29:46,453
Speaker 2: go so you don't have to worry about it's Richard.

646
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Speaker 2: A couple of texts here, Hi, guys, this is all

647
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Speaker 2: a media beat up on Trump. Nothing has changed with

648
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Speaker 2: regards to getting into the US. The only thing that

649
00:29:56,453 --> 00:29:58,613
Speaker 2: has is if people don't do their job, they are

650
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Speaker 2: held accountable.

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Speaker 7: Being.

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Speaker 2: One thing you've got to do in the States is

653
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Speaker 2: if you're going over there to work. Because I've traveled

654
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Speaker 2: over there a lot to film stuff and and we

655
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:09,613
Speaker 2: haven't had the right visas. Parts of cameras are in

656
00:30:09,653 --> 00:30:14,333
Speaker 2: different bags and tripods and such. Because you have to

657
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Speaker 2: have permits to you know, per film over there, and

658
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Speaker 2: you have to sort it out. And if you're going

659
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Speaker 2: to be working there, that's a very different thing than

660
00:30:19,893 --> 00:30:23,133
Speaker 2: just on on the esta, right, definitely. Yeah, So you

661
00:30:23,173 --> 00:30:24,493
Speaker 2: know that that'll get you in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know if you plan to work and you

663
00:30:27,293 --> 00:30:29,493
Speaker 3: don't have the right visa, and quite rightly, you're going

664
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Speaker 3: to be pulled to the side. Curtis, you are visiting

665
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Speaker 3: American Is that right?

666
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Speaker 17: I am a little nervous to be talking on the radio,

667
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Speaker 17: but thanks for letting me speak for a minute.

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Speaker 2: So well, just just before we continue, what you've got

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Speaker 2: to I love your accident. What part of the States

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Speaker 2: are you from, Curtis.

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Speaker 17: I grew up in Colorado and Wyoming, which is basically

672
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Speaker 17: the crest of the Rockies, and I live in Idaho,

673
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Speaker 17: which is just one state in from the West coast. Good.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well so.

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Speaker 17: It's it's It saddens my heart to say it, but

676
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Speaker 17: I would not come to the It States right now.

677
00:31:09,373 --> 00:31:14,773
Speaker 17: They're in incidents like a Canadian woman who overstayed her

678
00:31:14,813 --> 00:31:17,333
Speaker 17: visa for one day and she went in to renew

679
00:31:17,373 --> 00:31:19,453
Speaker 17: it and they put her in jail for two weeks

680
00:31:19,493 --> 00:31:23,773
Speaker 17: without contact with the lawyer, detained her. I believe, with

681
00:31:23,813 --> 00:31:26,973
Speaker 17: the lights on all night, no sleep, no comfortable bed,

682
00:31:27,213 --> 00:31:31,253
Speaker 17: just laying on the floor. And the more friendly you

683
00:31:31,293 --> 00:31:33,053
Speaker 17: are to the United States, and the more of a

684
00:31:33,093 --> 00:31:38,173
Speaker 17: democracy you are, the more Donald Trash hates you. I myself,

685
00:31:38,733 --> 00:31:40,693
Speaker 17: I will be I have a burner phone on me

686
00:31:40,813 --> 00:31:43,653
Speaker 17: right now, and before I enter customs, I will be

687
00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:46,773
Speaker 17: deleting everything on my phone. One thing that you should

688
00:31:46,813 --> 00:31:49,693
Speaker 17: keep in mind is that they use biometrics. They scan

689
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Speaker 17: your face, but they also scan your Facebook, your Instagram,

690
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Speaker 17: anything else you might have to see. If maybe you've

691
00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:59,733
Speaker 17: said something like oh, I support the Palestinians or some

692
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Speaker 17: other thing that the administration or i'd call them regime

693
00:32:05,653 --> 00:32:07,413
Speaker 17: would want to be looking.

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Speaker 2: What's what that Canadians because wasn't that Because the problem

695
00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:12,293
Speaker 2: right now is all the news we get, when you

696
00:32:12,333 --> 00:32:14,733
Speaker 2: look into it, it's often not true. But I read

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00:32:14,773 --> 00:32:16,933
Speaker 2: about that Canadian one that that turned out to not

698
00:32:17,053 --> 00:32:19,853
Speaker 2: be exactly as the media is reporting it with with

699
00:32:20,013 --> 00:32:23,813
Speaker 2: that woman was that was detained. I'll just look it up.

700
00:32:23,853 --> 00:32:26,453
Speaker 2: But I think that was because because sometimes you'll have

701
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Speaker 2: to have met Curtis that these things come out on

702
00:32:28,573 --> 00:32:30,693
Speaker 2: social media and they come out and when you actually

703
00:32:30,733 --> 00:32:33,613
Speaker 2: look into them, they're they're they're quite different. But I've

704
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Speaker 2: had going into Canada's quite The Canadian border is quite

705
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Speaker 2: an intense situation getting in, isn't it.

706
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Speaker 17: In my experience, I even did commercial work up there.

707
00:32:44,773 --> 00:32:47,053
Speaker 17: I was searched all but one time I've been to Canada.

708
00:32:47,133 --> 00:32:51,133
Speaker 17: But they're very nice about it and the rights. Yeah,

709
00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:54,893
Speaker 17: and it's it's a wonderful country. I may be I

710
00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:58,533
Speaker 17: may be missing some information, uh you know, on the

711
00:32:58,573 --> 00:33:02,133
Speaker 17: Canadian woman, but I tell you this has happened multiple times.

712
00:33:02,133 --> 00:33:05,733
Speaker 17: Another risk that you may face is that uh, they

713
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Speaker 17: they are a new thing which the Supreme Court in

714
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Speaker 17: the United States has been uh or the court system

715
00:33:13,133 --> 00:33:15,893
Speaker 17: in general below the Supreme Court has been striking down.

716
00:33:16,133 --> 00:33:18,573
Speaker 17: Is this idea that you can deport people to any

717
00:33:18,653 --> 00:33:21,533
Speaker 17: lousy country that you that you want to. For instance,

718
00:33:22,613 --> 00:33:25,893
Speaker 17: you're probably all familiar with a man from El Salvador

719
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Speaker 17: who they continue to try to deport to some country

720
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Speaker 17: in Africa. I forget which one. But you your your

721
00:33:34,573 --> 00:33:37,373
Speaker 17: due process in other words, you're right to a trial. Uh,

722
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Speaker 17: your your ability to speak.

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Speaker 2: Of the lawyer, or if you're if you're if you're

724
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Speaker 2: not an American citizen.

725
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Speaker 17: Yes, which is not which is not constitutional.

726
00:33:48,013 --> 00:33:51,453
Speaker 2: But we're we're so in America because in New Zealand,

727
00:33:51,493 --> 00:33:54,493
Speaker 2: if you're not a citizen, then you get deported. If

728
00:33:54,493 --> 00:33:57,973
Speaker 2: you come to New Zealand and you and you're not

729
00:33:58,253 --> 00:34:01,213
Speaker 2: here legally, you get deported, right is it so? Is

730
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Speaker 2: it different in the States, And it is here in

731
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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 17: You absolutely have a right in the United States to

733
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Speaker 17: do process no matter where you come from. Unfortunately, with

734
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Speaker 17: this administration, they will violate that right.

735
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Speaker 2: So as a as a different now than it was

736
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Speaker 2: under under Biden and Obama.

737
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Speaker 17: Only in action, the law is still the same.

738
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Speaker 2: Right right? Okay? And so and so how you in

739
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Speaker 2: New Zealand? What's your what's your immigration status in New Zealand?

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm actually I'm touring. I I would uh, I

741
00:34:41,453 --> 00:34:43,693
Speaker 17: would actually love to come down here on the construction

742
00:34:43,813 --> 00:34:48,253
Speaker 17: work a little plug. Uh I do materials testing and

743
00:34:48,573 --> 00:34:51,693
Speaker 17: civil work. I would love to, But mainly I'm just

744
00:34:51,773 --> 00:34:54,493
Speaker 17: down here to get away from my own country's craziness

745
00:34:54,533 --> 00:34:56,573
Speaker 17: and and see something new.

746
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Speaker 2: You're covered from back surgery, so you're on holiday.

747
00:35:00,413 --> 00:35:02,013
Speaker 17: I am, oh.

748
00:35:02,053 --> 00:35:04,333
Speaker 2: Well, well, I hope you're enjoying the country. And and

749
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Speaker 2: how did you find getting through New Zealand immigration? Did you?

750
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Speaker 2: What's the vasa situation? Getting into New Zealand.

751
00:35:11,373 --> 00:35:16,693
Speaker 17: Out of the states, you just register, They recommend seventy

752
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Speaker 17: two hours prayor to your departure that you register with

753
00:35:20,853 --> 00:35:25,413
Speaker 17: easy ETA, and they just I think they just go

754
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Speaker 17: through your background and make sure you're not a risk

755
00:35:27,693 --> 00:35:31,773
Speaker 17: and once that's approved, once you once you arrived, you

756
00:35:31,773 --> 00:35:34,573
Speaker 17: you just fill out either electronically or will pay per

757
00:35:34,653 --> 00:35:38,652
Speaker 17: form declaring your intentions. And then probably the hardest part

758
00:35:38,693 --> 00:35:41,373
Speaker 17: and very understandable, is they want to look at the

759
00:35:41,373 --> 00:35:43,652
Speaker 17: bottom of your shoes. And stuff. Make sure that you

760
00:35:43,733 --> 00:35:46,413
Speaker 17: don't have you know, we have grass.

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Speaker 2: We haide a hand sandwich coming into the country. Yeah,

762
00:35:52,613 --> 00:35:55,013
Speaker 2: and how long how long can you I should know this,

763
00:35:55,133 --> 00:35:57,293
Speaker 2: but how long on that visa can you stay in

764
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Speaker 2: New Zealand?

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00:36:00,213 --> 00:36:00,413
Speaker 12: Oh?

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00:36:00,933 --> 00:36:04,772
Speaker 17: You know it seems like it's ninety days right, Yeah,

767
00:36:04,293 --> 00:36:08,333
Speaker 17: and I certainly you know I plan to come back.

768
00:36:08,453 --> 00:36:11,933
Speaker 17: They also requested you have a an airline check it

769
00:36:11,973 --> 00:36:14,693
Speaker 17: out of the country for some reason. So yeah, mine's

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Speaker 17: scheduled for the nineteenth and it's you know, it's it's

771
00:36:19,333 --> 00:36:22,533
Speaker 17: an amazing trip. What an amazing country you have?

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Speaker 2: And uh, well and well, I hope you have a

773
00:36:26,253 --> 00:36:30,013
Speaker 2: fantastic time here. And welcome to our country, Curtis, and

774
00:36:30,093 --> 00:36:32,333
Speaker 2: thanks for calling and have a great day.

775
00:36:32,733 --> 00:36:35,373
Speaker 3: What a great man. Fantastic love it. Oh, one hundred

776
00:36:35,453 --> 00:36:37,773
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

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Speaker 3: eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 2: Back of the mo.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyer Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 5: It's Matt Heath and Tyer Adams. Afternoons.

782
00:36:47,813 --> 00:36:48,652
Speaker 2: News talks be.

783
00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:51,732
Speaker 3: News talks, they'd be news is hot on our tail.

784
00:36:51,773 --> 00:36:52,573
Speaker 3: But let's have a check to.

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Speaker 2: Bleak mates, good, I'm Tyler.

786
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Speaker 6: How are you doing?

787
00:36:56,373 --> 00:36:56,772
Speaker 2: Very good?

788
00:36:57,973 --> 00:36:58,493
Speaker 7: Good? Good?

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Speaker 19: First off, Curtis dude, welcome man. What an awesome accent?

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00:37:02,853 --> 00:37:04,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely.

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Speaker 19: Number two, you were talking about getting the swab bomb

792
00:37:08,733 --> 00:37:12,253
Speaker 19: explosive swab every time you go through the airport. Okay,

793
00:37:12,293 --> 00:37:14,013
Speaker 19: So the same thing was happening to me, right, So

794
00:37:14,053 --> 00:37:16,573
Speaker 19: every time me and wife covered up to Auckland or

795
00:37:16,573 --> 00:37:20,213
Speaker 19: cross where we were going, I was always getting selected

796
00:37:20,253 --> 00:37:24,093
Speaker 19: for the swab down. Now the key to it, apparently

797
00:37:24,613 --> 00:37:29,413
Speaker 19: is sen maven first. All right, they take if they

798
00:37:29,493 --> 00:37:32,093
Speaker 19: if they swat people in pairs, they take the first

799
00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:33,172
Speaker 19: person that comes through.

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00:37:33,413 --> 00:37:35,533
Speaker 3: All right, So throw her under the bomb bas so

801
00:37:35,613 --> 00:37:38,533
Speaker 3: to speak, not literally, but get here on the swab duty?

802
00:37:38,533 --> 00:37:45,453
Speaker 2: Where's the chivalry longer? But hang on, Blair, your misses?

803
00:37:46,373 --> 00:37:48,093
Speaker 2: What is it about her that when she goes through

804
00:37:48,293 --> 00:37:51,013
Speaker 2: first she doesn't get swapped? Does she look less swappable?

805
00:37:51,173 --> 00:37:53,213
Speaker 2: What's going on? Does she looks less dodgy than you?

806
00:37:54,973 --> 00:37:55,133
Speaker 13: Oh?

807
00:37:55,133 --> 00:37:58,933
Speaker 19: There's probably that, But she doesn't go through first? You know,

808
00:37:59,013 --> 00:38:03,933
Speaker 19: it's it's in the queue. It's just how it's turned out.

809
00:38:03,933 --> 00:38:06,813
Speaker 19: It hasn't been planned. But I've got, I've gone, I've

810
00:38:06,813 --> 00:38:11,893
Speaker 19: gone through first, she's following and they have grabbed me

811
00:38:11,933 --> 00:38:14,013
Speaker 19: and said, you know, blah blah, read this card and.

812
00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:15,933
Speaker 2: Yeah there you go. Okay bleia yea. Thank you for

813
00:38:15,933 --> 00:38:16,413
Speaker 2: you the advice.

814
00:38:16,493 --> 00:38:18,732
Speaker 3: I'll try that next time. I'm an Aussie. Nobody tell

815
00:38:18,773 --> 00:38:20,493
Speaker 3: me I'm trying that and I'll see how it goes.

816
00:38:20,613 --> 00:38:22,453
Speaker 2: Send the missus in first. She needs a good.

817
00:38:22,373 --> 00:38:26,973
Speaker 3: Swabbing, I think sometimes right New Sport with a fast approaching.

818
00:38:27,053 --> 00:38:30,172
Speaker 3: Great to have your company, as always, stay right here,

819
00:38:30,213 --> 00:38:32,253
Speaker 3: will be back very shortly. You're listening to Matton.

820
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Speaker 5: Tyler talking with you all afternoon.

821
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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons US Talks.

822
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Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome back into the program.

823
00:38:43,333 --> 00:38:46,493
Speaker 3: Great last hour the previous house, So thank you very

824
00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:48,573
Speaker 3: much for that. But we're moving on because it's going

825
00:38:48,613 --> 00:38:49,893
Speaker 3: to be a great chat as well. So it was

826
00:38:49,893 --> 00:38:53,453
Speaker 3: a question posted on social media Science girl is her name.

827
00:38:53,493 --> 00:38:58,173
Speaker 3: It's gone absolutely ballista as in viral, thousands and thousands

828
00:38:58,173 --> 00:39:00,373
Speaker 3: of comments and shares. It's a question that has been

829
00:39:00,413 --> 00:39:03,053
Speaker 3: posed a lot in recent years. So here it is,

830
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Speaker 3: in your opinion, what is the biggest threat to humanity?

831
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was interesting. The results there came back

832
00:39:10,333 --> 00:39:16,933
Speaker 2: AI misalignment, power seeking or uncontrolled superintelligence. It was the

833
00:39:17,053 --> 00:39:20,413
Speaker 2: number one, yep. And responses was the number one, which

834
00:39:20,493 --> 00:39:23,453
Speaker 2: might just be recncy biased. That's the thing we're thinking

835
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Speaker 2: about about. The most biotechnological risks was number two. Engineered

836
00:39:28,813 --> 00:39:31,252
Speaker 2: pandemic surprises me a little bit. Then that's number two.

837
00:39:31,293 --> 00:39:33,893
Speaker 2: The nuclear war. Yeah, I agree with that one. But

838
00:39:34,013 --> 00:39:38,693
Speaker 2: what do you reckon? Is the biggest existential risk to humanity?

839
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Speaker 3: Eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call

840
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Speaker 3: nineteen nine two.

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00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:45,213
Speaker 2: And apologies to John who texted before and said if

842
00:39:45,213 --> 00:39:49,252
Speaker 2: he heard a news talk z'd be broadcast to say

843
00:39:49,333 --> 00:39:52,413
Speaker 2: extential existential risk again, he'd thrown up. Yeah, sorry mate.

844
00:39:52,413 --> 00:39:54,732
Speaker 2: So if you're still listening to John, yeah, I'll try

845
00:39:54,733 --> 00:39:58,772
Speaker 2: and say existential risk less because it's an existential risk

846
00:39:58,813 --> 00:39:59,453
Speaker 2: to you vomiting.

847
00:39:59,853 --> 00:40:02,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, so big one though for you, mate, I mean genuinely,

848
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Speaker 3: can you look at any on those lists and think

849
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Speaker 3: that that is a real possibility in your lifetime?

850
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Speaker 2: I think we underestimate nuclear war. I think people think

851
00:40:13,533 --> 00:40:15,933
Speaker 2: that was sort of an eighties issue, but there's still

852
00:40:15,933 --> 00:40:19,292
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of nukes around, and technology

853
00:40:19,933 --> 00:40:23,253
Speaker 2: is the way it goes. It's going to be easier

854
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:26,772
Speaker 2: for rogue operators to get nukes in the future. Yeah,

855
00:40:27,293 --> 00:40:30,493
Speaker 2: I don't know if that means the end of all humanity.

856
00:40:30,893 --> 00:40:34,413
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends how you define an existential risk.

857
00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:38,493
Speaker 2: So an existential risk, according to the Oxford Dictionaries to

858
00:40:38,573 --> 00:40:41,692
Speaker 2: Find refers to a potential future event that could either

859
00:40:41,733 --> 00:40:44,973
Speaker 2: cause the extinction of humanity or permanently and drastically curtail

860
00:40:45,053 --> 00:40:47,973
Speaker 2: its long term potential. So that's a bit that's a

861
00:40:47,973 --> 00:40:52,013
Speaker 2: bit different, isn't it. Drastically curtail its long term potential

862
00:40:52,133 --> 00:40:56,013
Speaker 2: is different from extinction. And I imagine if you had

863
00:40:57,613 --> 00:41:01,133
Speaker 2: twenty five nukes going off even yeah, which is a

864
00:41:01,213 --> 00:41:04,933
Speaker 2: very small part of the global arsenal, I can imagine

865
00:41:05,053 --> 00:41:09,053
Speaker 2: that curtailing our potential nastily absolutely going to go. Well,

866
00:41:09,093 --> 00:41:09,933
Speaker 2: I mentioned this to you.

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Speaker 3: It's a movie that's on Netflix at the moment called

868
00:41:12,253 --> 00:41:15,212
Speaker 3: House of Dynamite, And you know, it's an average kind

869
00:41:15,213 --> 00:41:16,533
Speaker 3: of movie when you look at the third part of

870
00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:19,013
Speaker 3: the act, but it's very well researched, and the premise

871
00:41:19,133 --> 00:41:22,653
Speaker 3: is that there's an intercontinental ballistic missile that's been fired

872
00:41:22,693 --> 00:41:25,213
Speaker 3: to the United States, and they don't know who's fired it,

873
00:41:25,253 --> 00:41:27,533
Speaker 3: so it goes through the various elements of the US

874
00:41:27,653 --> 00:41:30,573
Speaker 3: government and when they spot this. But what was terrifying,

875
00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:33,693
Speaker 3: and again this is very well researched, is their ability

876
00:41:33,733 --> 00:41:36,813
Speaker 3: to shoot down one of those into continental balistic missiles.

877
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:39,733
Speaker 3: It's very minimal. I've effectively got one shot as it's

878
00:41:39,773 --> 00:41:42,973
Speaker 3: heading into the into orbit and if it gets there

879
00:41:42,973 --> 00:41:45,493
Speaker 3: and they miss it, then that's bug it. But then

880
00:41:45,533 --> 00:41:47,212
Speaker 3: it kind of goes into Right, we don't know who

881
00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:50,213
Speaker 3: did it. But here's your options, mister president, and we

882
00:41:50,293 --> 00:41:53,933
Speaker 3: suggest you go all out. Go for Russia, go for China,

883
00:41:54,013 --> 00:41:56,653
Speaker 3: go for North Korea. But it's a terrifying watch. Granted

884
00:41:56,653 --> 00:42:00,172
Speaker 3: it's just a movie, but the ability to actually make

885
00:42:00,213 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 3: decisions if that was to happen, say North Korea rogue state,

886
00:42:04,053 --> 00:42:04,853
Speaker 3: well worth watch.

887
00:42:05,053 --> 00:42:07,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, this texasys is the biggest risk to humanity is

888
00:42:07,893 --> 00:42:11,133
Speaker 2: humanity South? But what about super volcanoes.

889
00:42:11,333 --> 00:42:14,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't forget about super volcanoes, which came in at.

890
00:42:14,013 --> 00:42:19,613
Speaker 2: Number supervolcanoes comes in at number seven.

891
00:42:19,733 --> 00:42:21,333
Speaker 3: That's pretty high. It's pretty high.

892
00:42:21,373 --> 00:42:25,733
Speaker 2: The massive eruption ej Yellowstan Yellowstone adjecting ash causing years

893
00:42:25,813 --> 00:42:30,973
Speaker 2: long global cooling and crop failures, or asteroid orchomic impacts,

894
00:42:31,133 --> 00:42:35,252
Speaker 2: collision with a large near earth object causing global dust clouds, tsunamis,

895
00:42:35,333 --> 00:42:38,652
Speaker 2: and climate disruption. That's at six, so you know that's

896
00:42:38,693 --> 00:42:42,253
Speaker 2: not humidity itself. No, there are things that are outside

897
00:42:42,453 --> 00:42:45,293
Speaker 2: even the control of human beings.

898
00:42:45,573 --> 00:42:47,533
Speaker 3: So come on through. What do you think is the

899
00:42:47,533 --> 00:42:49,773
Speaker 3: biggest threat to humanity? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

900
00:42:49,813 --> 00:42:52,053
Speaker 3: eighty is that number nine two ninety two is the

901
00:42:52,093 --> 00:42:52,693
Speaker 3: text number?

902
00:42:52,733 --> 00:42:55,253
Speaker 2: This is interesting. So jc's humans are the biggest risk.

903
00:42:55,333 --> 00:42:58,213
Speaker 2: There are too many of us using too many resources.

904
00:42:58,373 --> 00:43:01,213
Speaker 2: Then you have crazy humans that could end at all well,

905
00:43:01,253 --> 00:43:05,652
Speaker 2: interestingly enough, number eleven biggest risk to humanity at the

906
00:43:05,733 --> 00:43:10,373
Speaker 2: moment is, according to this is population decrease.

907
00:43:10,613 --> 00:43:13,013
Speaker 3: Right, that is a terrifying so element to it.

908
00:43:13,013 --> 00:43:15,133
Speaker 2: So there actually aren't enough humans at the moment.

909
00:43:15,253 --> 00:43:18,413
Speaker 3: Need to have more babies. Yeah, yeah, right, Beck. It

910
00:43:18,493 --> 00:43:21,773
Speaker 3: is eleven past two.

911
00:43:21,173 --> 00:43:25,373
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

912
00:43:25,573 --> 00:43:28,652
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk said, be.

913
00:43:29,893 --> 00:43:32,213
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon too. So we are talking about what

914
00:43:32,293 --> 00:43:35,053
Speaker 3: you think are the greatest threats to humanity. It was

915
00:43:35,173 --> 00:43:38,613
Speaker 3: posed on a social media and it's gone blestic. So

916
00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:40,173
Speaker 3: can you get your thoughts on this? One hundred and

917
00:43:40,213 --> 00:43:40,772
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty.

918
00:43:40,853 --> 00:43:43,573
Speaker 2: Do you agree that the number one is AI misalignment,

919
00:43:43,733 --> 00:43:48,093
Speaker 2: power seeking or uncontrolled superintelligence Advanced AI system especially those

920
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:52,293
Speaker 2: achieving or surpassing human level intelligence, becoming misaligned with human values,

921
00:43:52,453 --> 00:43:55,933
Speaker 2: pursuing goals that lead to human extinction or subjugation, such

922
00:43:55,933 --> 00:44:00,293
Speaker 2: as resource optimization at humanity's expense. That sounds pretty scary.

923
00:44:00,653 --> 00:44:02,613
Speaker 2: That's what most people think is the biggest threat to

924
00:44:02,693 --> 00:44:05,053
Speaker 2: us at the moment. Edward, Welcome to the show.

925
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:09,652
Speaker 6: Oh hey, there, I was waiting. A couple of people

926
00:44:09,693 --> 00:44:12,413
Speaker 6: already said I wasn't going to say, but I'm surprised

927
00:44:12,453 --> 00:44:15,533
Speaker 6: that number one isn't humans. I mean, we talk about

928
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:19,573
Speaker 6: nuclear war, we talk about AI. We're the ones that

929
00:44:19,613 --> 00:44:20,973
Speaker 6: create this and allow it to happen.

930
00:44:21,253 --> 00:44:26,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, apart from in this list, apart from

931
00:44:26,733 --> 00:44:31,212
Speaker 2: you know, asteroids, commets and super volcanoes. Then that you're right,

932
00:44:31,533 --> 00:44:32,973
Speaker 2: they're all our fault AI.

933
00:44:34,613 --> 00:44:37,853
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did, and if we don't control it. H

934
00:44:37,853 --> 00:44:40,373
Speaker 6: I mean there's also those movies about the robots taking over.

935
00:44:40,693 --> 00:44:44,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that there's a tricky position for us

936
00:44:44,013 --> 00:44:46,533
Speaker 3: to be. And if we're our own biggest threat, I mean,

937
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:48,853
Speaker 3: you know, that's a pretty you know, what do we

938
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:51,293
Speaker 3: do about that? You need humans here, And if we're

939
00:44:51,493 --> 00:44:54,733
Speaker 3: our own biggest threats, then we're you know, up the

940
00:44:54,733 --> 00:44:55,493
Speaker 3: creek without a pedal.

941
00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:57,493
Speaker 2: So how do we sort ourselves out edward?

942
00:44:58,093 --> 00:45:00,453
Speaker 6: Well, the problem is we've got to stop ignoring the

943
00:45:00,453 --> 00:45:04,413
Speaker 6: destruction we're doing to the ecosystem. I mean, there was

944
00:45:04,413 --> 00:45:06,973
Speaker 6: no such thing as mic group plastics and all that

945
00:45:07,013 --> 00:45:09,813
Speaker 6: sort of climate change and all that before we came along.

946
00:45:10,173 --> 00:45:11,293
Speaker 2: Well, there was there was a lot. There was a

947
00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:13,533
Speaker 2: lot of climate rage going along before we came along,

948
00:45:14,053 --> 00:45:16,013
Speaker 2: I mean ice age and such.

949
00:45:16,973 --> 00:45:18,933
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, there was those, but we've accelerated that.

950
00:45:20,173 --> 00:45:22,893
Speaker 2: My I remember, I remember when I was that primary school.

951
00:45:22,893 --> 00:45:25,813
Speaker 2: Once said was my school teacher said, what is who's

952
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:30,773
Speaker 2: more powerful? Humans or nature? And I said humans, miss

953
00:45:30,773 --> 00:45:33,453
Speaker 2: so Larry, Humans And she said, really, what about the sun?

954
00:45:33,893 --> 00:45:38,093
Speaker 2: What about what about comets? What about all these you know,

955
00:45:38,213 --> 00:45:41,933
Speaker 2: natural phenomena? And there was undoubtedly there are the nature

956
00:45:42,013 --> 00:45:45,373
Speaker 2: is stronger than humans. Definitely the sun it's pretty powerful.

957
00:45:46,013 --> 00:45:49,733
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean they're just like the things like

958
00:45:49,813 --> 00:45:53,933
Speaker 6: we know the population and insect populations that we destroyed.

959
00:45:54,893 --> 00:45:56,493
Speaker 5: I mean that does scare me?

960
00:45:57,053 --> 00:46:00,652
Speaker 2: What I about that? By the biodiversity losses number ten

961
00:46:00,693 --> 00:46:05,093
Speaker 2: on this list of irreversible as described as a reversal

962
00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:08,173
Speaker 2: ecosystem degradation leading to loss of life support systems and

963
00:46:08,413 --> 00:46:10,292
Speaker 2: vied by climate and pollution. I mean that what's happening

964
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:12,853
Speaker 2: in the oceans is terrifying, Edward. And we need the bugs.

965
00:46:13,933 --> 00:46:15,613
Speaker 6: We did the bugs, and we do need the ocean,

966
00:46:15,653 --> 00:46:19,493
Speaker 6: and we do need those sea creatures in there. And

967
00:46:19,533 --> 00:46:22,453
Speaker 6: the sad thing is we all know it, we all

968
00:46:22,733 --> 00:46:26,733
Speaker 6: know we're doing wrong. But do we change?

969
00:46:27,213 --> 00:46:29,613
Speaker 2: Do you do you think you are doing enough to

970
00:46:30,093 --> 00:46:32,893
Speaker 2: protect the bugs and the oceans? Edward?

971
00:46:35,493 --> 00:46:38,933
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sitting in my sex cylinder cars making a cigarette.

972
00:46:40,053 --> 00:46:46,732
Speaker 2: Good life man, So you're you're doing your bit? Yeah yeah, I.

973
00:46:46,693 --> 00:46:51,772
Speaker 6: Mean I recycle, I try to reuse things. I try

974
00:46:51,813 --> 00:46:54,893
Speaker 6: to have as little waste as possible. But but really,

975
00:46:54,973 --> 00:46:58,652
Speaker 6: you know, I'm buying I'm buying products that made them,

976
00:46:58,693 --> 00:47:01,493
Speaker 6: factories that are pumping smoke out of the episode. Yeah.

977
00:47:01,493 --> 00:47:05,973
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, isn't it. I Look, I'm shifting

978
00:47:05,973 --> 00:47:08,213
Speaker 2: house at the moment. Edward and the amount of cra

979
00:47:08,373 --> 00:47:10,413
Speaker 2: app I've bought that I don't need. And so if

980
00:47:10,413 --> 00:47:12,853
Speaker 2: you're if people are worried about you know, their effect

981
00:47:13,053 --> 00:47:17,813
Speaker 2: on the environment and you know, wastage of resources and such,

982
00:47:18,573 --> 00:47:20,773
Speaker 2: we could we could start by not buying so much

983
00:47:20,813 --> 00:47:22,533
Speaker 2: crap we don't need that we have to throw and

984
00:47:22,573 --> 00:47:24,853
Speaker 2: a skip wm move houses. That that that might be

985
00:47:24,893 --> 00:47:26,293
Speaker 2: a good start from from someone like me.

986
00:47:26,533 --> 00:47:30,812
Speaker 3: Yeah loless Edmund when you move Yeah that too, Yeah,

987
00:47:30,813 --> 00:47:31,533
Speaker 3: And then we could.

988
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:34,133
Speaker 6: Up cycle things, you know, I mean, Oh, there's a

989
00:47:34,133 --> 00:47:36,053
Speaker 6: crappy pair of drawers, Shall we fix them or to

990
00:47:36,093 --> 00:47:37,172
Speaker 6: thrum out and get no one?

991
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:39,213
Speaker 3: Are you talking about underies or are like an actual

992
00:47:39,253 --> 00:47:43,333
Speaker 3: furniture not draws drawers? Oh right, okay, yeah, yeah, tap

993
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:43,933
Speaker 3: your own undies.

994
00:47:43,933 --> 00:47:45,973
Speaker 2: You can throw those out, throw out the throw out

995
00:47:45,973 --> 00:47:47,213
Speaker 2: the crappy drawers.

996
00:47:47,413 --> 00:47:49,933
Speaker 6: If we've got holes in the sock, yeah, jeans or

997
00:47:49,973 --> 00:47:52,493
Speaker 6: Grandma would darn the socks and past the jeans. And

998
00:47:52,853 --> 00:47:54,453
Speaker 6: we're just on the bin these days.

999
00:47:54,453 --> 00:47:57,333
Speaker 2: And I think that, I mean, if people could get

1000
00:47:57,333 --> 00:47:59,893
Speaker 2: back to and cobblers. You know, you had a pair

1001
00:47:59,893 --> 00:48:02,333
Speaker 2: of shoes that they would last years, you go and

1002
00:48:02,373 --> 00:48:04,172
Speaker 2: take them to a cobbler. And they'd fix them up. Yeah,

1003
00:48:04,253 --> 00:48:06,893
Speaker 2: I mean, no one's doing that anymore. Most people have

1004
00:48:06,933 --> 00:48:09,692
Speaker 2: twenty five pairs of shoes that they just finally get

1005
00:48:09,693 --> 00:48:11,093
Speaker 2: around to throwing out. Yeah.

1006
00:48:11,293 --> 00:48:13,853
Speaker 6: The bottom of my wardrobe is piled high with shoes

1007
00:48:13,853 --> 00:48:17,213
Speaker 6: that I'll never wear again and alex Tronics, so that

1008
00:48:17,693 --> 00:48:21,133
Speaker 6: faltern't the bin, give a new one. Yeah, we're a

1009
00:48:21,173 --> 00:48:22,053
Speaker 6: throwaway society.

1010
00:48:22,373 --> 00:48:23,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, fair enough.

1011
00:48:23,853 --> 00:48:25,773
Speaker 3: Enjoy that ciggy and give the car a few revs.

1012
00:48:25,773 --> 00:48:27,212
Speaker 3: He would, but it makes make some good points.

1013
00:48:27,453 --> 00:48:30,973
Speaker 2: You're still on the analog vapes. It's it's it's I

1014
00:48:31,093 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 2: was going to say it's good to hear, but it's

1015
00:48:32,453 --> 00:48:33,013
Speaker 2: pretty booge.

1016
00:48:33,173 --> 00:48:36,533
Speaker 7: It's the vaping.

1017
00:48:36,573 --> 00:48:38,573
Speaker 6: I mean you're still speaking, just doing it differently.

1018
00:48:38,813 --> 00:48:42,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, true. Yeah, all right, Edward, thank you so much

1019
00:48:42,253 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 2: for your call. Appreciate it.

1020
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,373
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1021
00:48:45,373 --> 00:48:47,573
Speaker 3: to call. We've got full boards, but we'll take a

1022
00:48:47,653 --> 00:48:48,773
Speaker 3: quick break after that.

1023
00:48:48,813 --> 00:48:50,013
Speaker 2: We'll have a chat with Dallas.

1024
00:48:50,133 --> 00:48:52,933
Speaker 3: A little bit cryptic here. Biggest threat he reckons is

1025
00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:55,173
Speaker 3: feeling he's chosen all my country as special.

1026
00:48:55,253 --> 00:48:57,773
Speaker 2: So we'll break that down very shortly. That's not only cryptic,

1027
00:48:57,773 --> 00:48:59,652
Speaker 2: I don't understand the sentence. So I'm looking forward to

1028
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:04,493
Speaker 2: talking to Dallas. What is the biggest existential threat to humanity?

1029
00:49:04,533 --> 00:49:07,373
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine nine two.

1030
00:49:11,253 --> 00:49:16,413
Speaker 1: Matd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call OH eight on News Talk.

1031
00:49:16,293 --> 00:49:18,853
Speaker 3: ZIB afternoon to you twenty two past two. We're talking

1032
00:49:18,853 --> 00:49:21,252
Speaker 3: about the what is in your opinion, the biggest threat

1033
00:49:21,253 --> 00:49:21,973
Speaker 3: to humanity?

1034
00:49:23,053 --> 00:49:26,613
Speaker 2: Guys, the one that's about to decimate society is actually

1035
00:49:26,613 --> 00:49:28,893
Speaker 2: population collaps due to falling birth rates. Have a look

1036
00:49:28,893 --> 00:49:32,733
Speaker 2: at Japan, South Korea and China's projections and what it

1037
00:49:32,773 --> 00:49:36,333
Speaker 2: will do to their economies. Yeah, population collapse is a

1038
00:49:36,773 --> 00:49:39,693
Speaker 2: terrifying if you look into it, and what's happening in China,

1039
00:49:40,213 --> 00:49:43,533
Speaker 2: South Korea that it is terrifying and New Zealand. Yeah,

1040
00:49:44,053 --> 00:49:47,893
Speaker 2: but particularly on Japan. As I've said before, they're selling

1041
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:53,413
Speaker 2: more adult Nepeas than than babies. Nappe's Japan Japan at

1042
00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:55,093
Speaker 2: the moment, Tullas, Welcome to the show.

1043
00:49:56,173 --> 00:50:01,213
Speaker 14: Hi, guys, just in passing a terrifying notion is the

1044
00:50:01,253 --> 00:50:04,853
Speaker 14: idea of limited nuclear war. You know that's that's a

1045
00:50:04,973 --> 00:50:07,653
Speaker 14: terrifying idea and a false.

1046
00:50:07,373 --> 00:50:10,013
Speaker 2: Swun isn't it limited? Limited?

1047
00:50:10,093 --> 00:50:10,293
Speaker 20: New Q?

1048
00:50:10,453 --> 00:50:11,693
Speaker 2: Well, what do you mean by that? Dallas?

1049
00:50:12,493 --> 00:50:14,893
Speaker 14: You know that you can you can take out another

1050
00:50:14,933 --> 00:50:20,493
Speaker 14: small country and not affect anyone. And I think a

1051
00:50:20,573 --> 00:50:22,733
Speaker 14: lot of young people might have this notion, you know,

1052
00:50:22,893 --> 00:50:29,173
Speaker 14: from who haven't seen the destructive effects of nuclear that

1053
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:35,133
Speaker 14: we have. But I agree that the biggest threat is

1054
00:50:35,293 --> 00:50:39,493
Speaker 14: humanity itself, but not all humans. It's only those humans

1055
00:50:39,653 --> 00:50:46,493
Speaker 14: who feel specially called to be special, superior to everyone else,

1056
00:50:46,733 --> 00:50:50,173
Speaker 14: or either them or their country, or their ethnic group

1057
00:50:51,333 --> 00:50:54,653
Speaker 14: or their religion the superior to everything else. This is

1058
00:50:54,693 --> 00:50:58,293
Speaker 14: the greatest threat because from that, if you feel called

1059
00:50:58,733 --> 00:51:03,693
Speaker 14: by higher power to fulfill God's will on earth, you

1060
00:51:03,733 --> 00:51:08,573
Speaker 14: know through your eyes, that's a very terrific.

1061
00:51:10,213 --> 00:51:13,573
Speaker 2: It's interesting, though, isn't it, because there's been a decline

1062
00:51:14,013 --> 00:51:17,773
Speaker 2: in believing in God and our country, particularly in a

1063
00:51:17,813 --> 00:51:21,813
Speaker 2: cline in church going. Do you worry that there's a

1064
00:51:21,853 --> 00:51:24,493
Speaker 2: saying that there's a god like God sized hole in

1065
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:29,093
Speaker 2: everyone's heart and it can be filled with spirituality, But

1066
00:51:29,293 --> 00:51:33,812
Speaker 2: now people seem to be filling that hole with politics,

1067
00:51:33,213 --> 00:51:38,373
Speaker 2: and it can kind of have that effect where people

1068
00:51:38,533 --> 00:51:43,293
Speaker 2: become zealous for whatever particular tribe they've decided to decide

1069
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:47,172
Speaker 2: to sign up to on the political spectrum, does that

1070
00:51:47,213 --> 00:51:48,213
Speaker 2: concern you at all? Else?

1071
00:51:49,133 --> 00:51:52,893
Speaker 14: Yeah, especially a Republican party in the American movement has

1072
00:51:52,933 --> 00:51:59,413
Speaker 14: been refused religious fervor and religious in timemism with political

1073
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:02,373
Speaker 14: The two have come together that the world's going to

1074
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:02,893
Speaker 14: end soon.

1075
00:52:03,253 --> 00:52:04,173
Speaker 7: But that's through.

1076
00:52:05,773 --> 00:52:10,133
Speaker 14: Whatever, you know, whether it's restoring of Israel and make

1077
00:52:10,173 --> 00:52:12,533
Speaker 14: it ready for Christ to come again and all the

1078
00:52:12,573 --> 00:52:13,333
Speaker 14: sort of thinking.

1079
00:52:13,693 --> 00:52:15,493
Speaker 2: Do you worry that you do? You worry with that

1080
00:52:15,613 --> 00:52:21,093
Speaker 2: kind of thinking. That that the reason why we we

1081
00:52:21,133 --> 00:52:22,973
Speaker 2: concentrate a lot on America because that's where all the

1082
00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:26,732
Speaker 2: social media comes out of, and our media is very

1083
00:52:26,733 --> 00:52:31,813
Speaker 2: obsessed with America more so than even within America. We

1084
00:52:31,813 --> 00:52:34,252
Speaker 2: we look that way, whereas there's a lot of other

1085
00:52:34,293 --> 00:52:36,853
Speaker 2: stuff happening in different countries that are bigger than the

1086
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:40,133
Speaker 2: United States of America that we just are not concentrating on.

1087
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Speaker 2: A because they're not democracies, therefore we don't hear everything

1088
00:52:43,453 --> 00:52:47,853
Speaker 2: that's going going on, and and B because you know,

1089
00:52:47,893 --> 00:52:50,692
Speaker 2: they don't they don't create the media that that we

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00:52:50,973 --> 00:52:51,693
Speaker 2: freely take on.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Like for example, China has they feel they're got

1092
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Speaker 14: a divine right to take over Taiwan. Russia feels they

1093
00:53:00,693 --> 00:53:03,293
Speaker 14: have a to right, divine right to take over Ukraine.

1094
00:53:04,573 --> 00:53:09,933
Speaker 14: The Palestinians they have a divine right to live in Palestine.

1095
00:53:10,013 --> 00:53:13,453
Speaker 14: The Israelis feel they have a divine right to conquer

1096
00:53:14,213 --> 00:53:18,573
Speaker 14: Palestine and live exclusively there themselves. So yeah, it's got

1097
00:53:19,133 --> 00:53:23,212
Speaker 14: this divine right is a very dangerous thing, I think.

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00:53:24,373 --> 00:53:25,853
Speaker 2: I mean, do you do you have any do you

1099
00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:28,493
Speaker 2: feel like you've got any divine right to any thing? Dallas?

1100
00:53:28,533 --> 00:53:31,493
Speaker 2: Is there anything that that you think that you would

1101
00:53:31,573 --> 00:53:36,453
Speaker 2: protect with with your with your life, any small page.

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Speaker 14: That's a good question, Matt. It's like about another hour's

1103
00:53:40,613 --> 00:53:41,413
Speaker 14: discussion there.

1104
00:53:41,933 --> 00:53:43,252
Speaker 3: There's a lot there, There's a lot.

1105
00:53:43,693 --> 00:53:47,973
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I'll have to think about that. But I

1106
00:53:48,093 --> 00:53:50,853
Speaker 14: feel we want I mean, as humans, we all feel

1107
00:53:50,893 --> 00:53:53,333
Speaker 14: we're sly. We all sort of feel we're going to

1108
00:53:53,373 --> 00:53:55,053
Speaker 14: live forever, especially when we're young.

1109
00:53:55,213 --> 00:53:56,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you think I'm not you know, I'm not. I'm

1111
00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:03,133
Speaker 3: not religious in the traditional sense, Dallas, But more and

1112
00:54:03,253 --> 00:54:06,652
Speaker 3: more I'm leaning towards that idea of spirituality because I

1113
00:54:06,653 --> 00:54:08,493
Speaker 3: can see that loss of community, and I think for

1114
00:54:08,573 --> 00:54:10,933
Speaker 3: most people, because you're talking about fanatics, right, but for

1115
00:54:11,013 --> 00:54:13,933
Speaker 3: most people. When you look at what religion is to them,

1116
00:54:13,933 --> 00:54:16,973
Speaker 3: it is that sense of community and that sense of selflessness,

1117
00:54:17,213 --> 00:54:19,693
Speaker 3: selflessness that it is not just about them. There is

1118
00:54:19,773 --> 00:54:23,053
Speaker 3: more to this universe, whatever they believe in, that is

1119
00:54:23,213 --> 00:54:26,093
Speaker 3: far bigger than they are, which makes them care about

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00:54:26,093 --> 00:54:27,292
Speaker 3: other humans a little bit more.

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Speaker 14: And you're not a threat to humanity because you've got

1122
00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:34,493
Speaker 14: a genital philosophy on that and so it's mad and

1123
00:54:34,533 --> 00:54:37,573
Speaker 14: so have I. We are not the threat. It's the

1124
00:54:37,613 --> 00:54:42,093
Speaker 14: fanatics who have error they are the threat. The ones

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Speaker 14: who might be AI and might be nuclear, they are

1126
00:54:46,293 --> 00:54:49,172
Speaker 14: the ones that are the real threat to hear. It's

1127
00:54:49,173 --> 00:54:51,053
Speaker 14: not the average Joe blow he's just trying to get

1128
00:54:51,093 --> 00:54:55,413
Speaker 14: through life, you know, and has a threat. Like Buddhism,

1129
00:54:55,813 --> 00:54:59,453
Speaker 14: it's no threat. Hinduism is no threat because it's that's

1130
00:54:59,453 --> 00:55:03,613
Speaker 14: sort of gentle religions. But it's the monotheistic religions that

1131
00:55:03,693 --> 00:55:04,573
Speaker 14: they're more violent.

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00:55:05,453 --> 00:55:10,333
Speaker 2: And yet people that follow Hinduism and Buddhism have invaded

1133
00:55:10,333 --> 00:55:11,573
Speaker 2: countries and.

1134
00:55:12,933 --> 00:55:13,933
Speaker 3: I've got their enemies.

1135
00:55:14,613 --> 00:55:18,293
Speaker 2: Often often the problem is people who aren't actually following

1136
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:21,692
Speaker 2: the faith that they say they are, you know, they're cheery,

1137
00:55:21,733 --> 00:55:24,573
Speaker 2: pecking parts of it to do what they want to do. Hey,

1138
00:55:24,573 --> 00:55:26,573
Speaker 2: thank you so much to be called OWT. Let's appreciate that.

1139
00:55:26,693 --> 00:55:28,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting role. We've got the headlines hot on

1140
00:55:28,853 --> 00:55:30,812
Speaker 3: our tail, but taking more of your calls. One hundred

1141
00:55:30,853 --> 00:55:33,093
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty What to you is the biggest

1142
00:55:33,093 --> 00:55:36,413
Speaker 3: threat to humanity? Nine to niney two is their text number?

1143
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Speaker 2: Just the little questions for a Thursday afternoon, something like

1144
00:55:39,453 --> 00:55:41,733
Speaker 2: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on newstalks. He'd be

1145
00:55:44,173 --> 00:55:44,813
Speaker 2: news talks.

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Speaker 16: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis, It's no trouble

1147
00:55:48,573 --> 00:55:51,893
Speaker 16: with a blue bubble. The US House of Representatives has

1148
00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:54,933
Speaker 16: voted to pass a bill that will end the government

1149
00:55:54,933 --> 00:55:59,093
Speaker 16: shut down after a record forty three days. Six Democrats

1150
00:55:59,093 --> 00:56:03,093
Speaker 16: cross the aisle to back the Republican led measure. Nikola

1151
00:56:03,133 --> 00:56:07,053
Speaker 16: Willis says ministers have either accepted or partially agreed to

1152
00:56:07,293 --> 00:56:10,733
Speaker 16: all recommendations from a banking probe by the Finance and

1153
00:56:10,813 --> 00:56:14,853
Speaker 16: Expenditure Committee. She says the government's requiring the Reserve Bank

1154
00:56:15,093 --> 00:56:19,413
Speaker 16: to focus more on competition. The Police Commissioner says he's

1155
00:56:19,413 --> 00:56:23,973
Speaker 16: assured proper process has been followed, with police still prosecuting

1156
00:56:23,973 --> 00:56:26,773
Speaker 16: the woman at the center of the Jeven mix skimming scandal,

1157
00:56:27,133 --> 00:56:30,573
Speaker 16: on charges of sending abuse of emails to the officer

1158
00:56:30,653 --> 00:56:34,613
Speaker 16: running the initial prosecution. After senior police staff failed to

1159
00:56:34,653 --> 00:56:39,373
Speaker 16: address the woman's original serious allegations against the then Deputy commissioner,

1160
00:56:39,693 --> 00:56:45,093
Speaker 16: she was charged with harassment, a prosecution now withdrawn. Detours

1161
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:47,652
Speaker 16: are up on State Highway seven near Culvidon in North

1162
00:56:47,693 --> 00:56:51,933
Speaker 16: Canterbury after a serious single vehicle crash. The key we

1163
00:56:52,013 --> 00:56:54,773
Speaker 16: should be favorites to win next year is Rugby League

1164
00:56:54,773 --> 00:56:58,172
Speaker 16: World Cup, so it writes Ben Francis. You can read

1165
00:56:58,213 --> 00:57:00,773
Speaker 16: his full column at ends at Herald Premium. Mack now

1166
00:57:00,813 --> 00:57:02,733
Speaker 16: to Matteith and Tyler Adams.

1167
00:57:02,413 --> 00:57:03,773
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylans.

1168
00:57:03,813 --> 00:57:06,493
Speaker 3: We are talking about what is the biggest threat to

1169
00:57:06,573 --> 00:57:08,213
Speaker 3: humanity at the moment in your rise.

1170
00:57:08,413 --> 00:57:09,692
Speaker 2: Or this is going back to a top we had

1171
00:57:09,693 --> 00:57:11,773
Speaker 2: on a few days ago. Billionaires. Is this texture of

1172
00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:14,692
Speaker 2: the biggest threat to humanity? Well, one billionaire is trying

1173
00:57:14,693 --> 00:57:18,653
Speaker 2: to set up set up a colony on another planet. Yeah,

1174
00:57:18,693 --> 00:57:22,253
Speaker 2: he's trying to save the sanity. That billionaire might save

1175
00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:27,853
Speaker 2: the existential crisis crisises, save us from existential crisises. So

1176
00:57:27,893 --> 00:57:29,613
Speaker 2: we'd seen it. So I'm trying to say they're communism

1177
00:57:29,773 --> 00:57:32,933
Speaker 2: is the greatest threat. Well, yeah, you've got to say communism.

1178
00:57:33,373 --> 00:57:36,573
Speaker 2: So what do they think. It's between seventy five and

1179
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:41,493
Speaker 2: one hundred million people were killed by communism in the

1180
00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:45,933
Speaker 2: twentieth century. Yep, you know Mao, Stalin, pole Pot and

1181
00:57:45,973 --> 00:57:52,333
Speaker 2: the like. Yeah, through you know, man made famines, the Goolags, executions,

1182
00:57:52,333 --> 00:57:54,373
Speaker 2: so many executions under communism.

1183
00:57:54,493 --> 00:57:57,533
Speaker 3: Yep, what Stalin did to the people of Ukraine, I

1184
00:57:57,533 --> 00:58:01,693
Speaker 3: mean cheapers. So communism yeah, yeah, hasn't really worked out

1185
00:58:01,693 --> 00:58:02,413
Speaker 3: well in the past.

1186
00:58:02,653 --> 00:58:05,413
Speaker 2: Yeah. So someone says billionaires, someone says communism, We may

1187
00:58:05,453 --> 00:58:08,573
Speaker 2: not find we might not find the answer to what's

1188
00:58:08,573 --> 00:58:12,373
Speaker 2: the biggest existential crisis threat to humanity? That's our James,

1189
00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:13,093
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 17: Hey mate, you nearly get it right, Billiamaire's got a

1191
00:58:16,813 --> 00:58:22,773
Speaker 17: big part, But it's totalitarium is the most biggest danger.

1192
00:58:22,813 --> 00:58:26,453
Speaker 17: And you know, the best radio hosts that you've ever

1193
00:58:26,493 --> 00:58:29,453
Speaker 17: had on there, the Laden Smith used to talk about

1194
00:58:29,493 --> 00:58:32,693
Speaker 17: it regularly with Ian Wishard.

1195
00:58:32,253 --> 00:58:34,013
Speaker 2: And all the best pipes.

1196
00:58:35,173 --> 00:58:40,973
Speaker 17: Yeah, government, government overreach, you know, And and the danger is,

1197
00:58:41,093 --> 00:58:44,253
Speaker 17: of course, you know, the digital ideas coming. We're going

1198
00:58:44,253 --> 00:58:46,853
Speaker 17: to try and get rid of cash and then we'll

1199
00:58:46,973 --> 00:58:51,213
Speaker 17: lead to the social credits China sort of system. And

1200
00:58:51,253 --> 00:58:56,373
Speaker 17: it's basically government knows a reach, which is like communism.

1201
00:58:56,853 --> 00:59:01,173
Speaker 17: That's on one of your adverts. Just beforehand, I heard

1202
00:59:01,173 --> 00:59:05,213
Speaker 17: that they had an announcement that they're trying to get

1203
00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:08,093
Speaker 17: some children to be signed up for key. We say

1204
00:59:08,133 --> 00:59:11,293
Speaker 17: the right from birth, and it's like that's government over

1205
00:59:11,333 --> 00:59:16,093
Speaker 17: reach because here we say there's not a guarantee fund.

1206
00:59:16,213 --> 00:59:18,733
Speaker 17: It's got no government guarantees. So you're paying money in

1207
00:59:18,813 --> 00:59:22,413
Speaker 17: from birth and there's no guarantee that you're going to

1208
00:59:22,413 --> 00:59:22,973
Speaker 17: get the money.

1209
00:59:23,173 --> 00:59:26,093
Speaker 2: So, James, with this kind of situation, do you think

1210
00:59:26,133 --> 00:59:30,453
Speaker 2: that's an existential threat to humanity existing? Or would humans

1211
00:59:30,653 --> 00:59:35,733
Speaker 2: beings just operate in a Pink Floyd video style drone

1212
00:59:35,853 --> 00:59:36,293
Speaker 2: like state.

1213
00:59:37,413 --> 00:59:40,813
Speaker 17: Well, yes, that last one is the thing good. You've

1214
00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:45,053
Speaker 17: got to refer to George Orwalls nineteen eighty four where

1215
00:59:45,053 --> 00:59:47,653
Speaker 17: they keep saying there's too many people and all this

1216
00:59:47,853 --> 00:59:52,893
Speaker 17: and AI is going to make us all irrelevant, you know,

1217
00:59:52,973 --> 00:59:57,653
Speaker 17: and our freedoms are gradually going. You know, the seventies

1218
00:59:57,693 --> 01:00:01,133
Speaker 17: and the eighties were wonderful times to grow up. The

1219
01:00:01,253 --> 01:00:05,133
Speaker 17: lack of freedom and the government control. I tell people,

1220
01:00:05,213 --> 01:00:08,493
Speaker 17: you know about the tax in New Zealand. Every governm

1221
01:00:08,653 --> 01:00:11,893
Speaker 17: that we've ever had is only thought about more ways

1222
01:00:11,973 --> 01:00:15,053
Speaker 17: to taxes. And yet they're still thinking of more taxes.

1223
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Speaker 2: James, you think with that, do you worry at all

1224
01:00:19,213 --> 01:00:23,053
Speaker 2: about the things that are bigger than humanity? The super volcanoes,

1225
01:00:23,373 --> 01:00:26,973
Speaker 2: the the comets, the asteroids. That doesn't, that doesn't, that

1226
01:00:27,093 --> 01:00:29,373
Speaker 2: doesn't take up your worry. You're worrying time.

1227
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Speaker 17: I'm a Christian believing God, and it's the you know,

1228
01:00:35,573 --> 01:00:39,973
Speaker 17: the billionaires that are out there, they're the ones telling

1229
01:00:40,093 --> 01:00:43,093
Speaker 17: us when they're flying around in their billion dollar jets,

1230
01:00:43,733 --> 01:00:46,413
Speaker 17: we've got to give out our nice coffees when they're

1231
01:00:47,333 --> 01:00:50,853
Speaker 17: roman around the world using all these resources, saying, you

1232
01:00:50,893 --> 01:00:54,973
Speaker 17: know that that the climates are issues, and they keep

1233
01:00:55,133 --> 01:00:58,733
Speaker 17: changing the agenda. You know, at first it was global warming.

1234
01:00:58,973 --> 01:01:03,053
Speaker 17: Now that the Earth is actually cooling, so they're calling

1235
01:01:03,093 --> 01:01:08,973
Speaker 17: it climate change, which no one will deny that there's

1236
01:01:09,053 --> 01:01:13,173
Speaker 17: always been climate changing, but man made climate changes.

1237
01:01:13,213 --> 01:01:15,773
Speaker 2: This b es well. I agree with you.

1238
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Speaker 3: Anyone flying around on a private jet who says you're

1239
01:01:18,693 --> 01:01:21,133
Speaker 3: no longer allowed to use plastic straws. I get the

1240
01:01:21,213 --> 01:01:24,053
Speaker 3: hypocrisy there is that you don't get to say that.

1241
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:27,173
Speaker 2: Even I'd take that down to flying business class. Yeah,

1242
01:01:27,213 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 2: I mean I've got from a flying business class. I mean,

1243
01:01:30,053 --> 01:01:32,413
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan. But you can't. You can't then

1244
01:01:32,493 --> 01:01:35,693
Speaker 2: lecture other people if you're flying business class, you just can't. Yeah,

1245
01:01:36,453 --> 01:01:38,253
Speaker 2: And as soon as you're getting on a private jet

1246
01:01:38,293 --> 01:01:41,453
Speaker 2: then that's out out the windows. Shut up, Harry, shut up, Megan.

1247
01:01:42,933 --> 01:01:46,213
Speaker 3: That specific. Yeah, one more point, James.

1248
01:01:46,653 --> 01:01:50,293
Speaker 17: Yeah, like you elites having too much control. And a

1249
01:01:50,333 --> 01:01:53,133
Speaker 17: good example of that is Larry Think of Black Crops.

1250
01:01:53,933 --> 01:01:57,213
Speaker 17: You might remember that when Jasinda went to Harvard to talk,

1251
01:01:57,533 --> 01:01:59,773
Speaker 17: she also called into Black Rocks to meet with a

1252
01:01:59,853 --> 01:02:03,733
Speaker 17: Larry Think of Black Rocks. And then last year we

1253
01:02:03,853 --> 01:02:06,733
Speaker 17: had lux and go to America and who did he

1254
01:02:06,853 --> 01:02:11,733
Speaker 17: meet with? Larry at Blackrock? And now Larry Thinks is

1255
01:02:11,773 --> 01:02:14,493
Speaker 17: also one of the boards and we'll heads on the

1256
01:02:14,533 --> 01:02:16,213
Speaker 17: world economics for them.

1257
01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:18,853
Speaker 2: So yeah, Well it's an interesting thing, isn't it Because

1258
01:02:18,853 --> 01:02:21,813
Speaker 2: people talk about individual billionaires, but then you look at

1259
01:02:21,813 --> 01:02:25,173
Speaker 2: things like Black what you know, asset managing and you

1260
01:02:25,213 --> 01:02:29,613
Speaker 2: know those kind of investment funds. You know they're operating

1261
01:02:29,693 --> 01:02:33,293
Speaker 2: trillions of dollars. Yeah, so you know your boss of

1262
01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:35,493
Speaker 2: black Rock might not be the richest person in the world,

1263
01:02:35,573 --> 01:02:40,293
Speaker 2: but you wields a lot of power with the amount

1264
01:02:40,293 --> 01:02:44,373
Speaker 2: of assets, and you know what black Rock owns, and

1265
01:02:44,413 --> 01:02:46,973
Speaker 2: what Blackrock owns, and the decisions that makes on stock

1266
01:02:47,013 --> 01:02:48,933
Speaker 2: markets and where Moneys goes. You know, they have a

1267
01:02:49,013 --> 01:02:50,813
Speaker 2: huge amount of power. Hey, thank you so much for

1268
01:02:50,853 --> 01:02:52,093
Speaker 2: you call, James. Appreciate it.

1269
01:02:52,173 --> 01:02:54,893
Speaker 3: Oh eighte hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

1270
01:02:54,973 --> 01:02:57,773
Speaker 3: So we're talking about the biggest threat to humanity? What

1271
01:02:57,933 --> 01:02:58,213
Speaker 3: is it?

1272
01:02:58,293 --> 01:02:58,893
Speaker 2: In your eyes?

1273
01:02:58,933 --> 01:03:00,453
Speaker 3: It's on the back of a social media post that

1274
01:03:00,573 --> 01:03:03,413
Speaker 3: has gone ballistic thousands and thousands.

1275
01:03:03,053 --> 01:03:04,053
Speaker 2: Of comments and shares.

1276
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:05,813
Speaker 3: So I love to hear your thoughts to eight hundred

1277
01:03:05,853 --> 01:03:07,573
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. What are you worried about?

1278
01:03:07,653 --> 01:03:08,173
Speaker 2: Nine to nine?

1279
01:03:08,333 --> 01:03:12,133
Speaker 3: Who is the text number? Plenty of texts coming through.

1280
01:03:13,413 --> 01:03:17,413
Speaker 2: Don't blame Bono, He's all right, okay, Okay, Well, it's

1281
01:03:17,493 --> 01:03:19,533
Speaker 2: just that when Bono when I went to a U

1282
01:03:19,533 --> 01:03:22,813
Speaker 2: two concert. Okay, I'll get back to my we'll take

1283
01:03:22,853 --> 01:03:24,773
Speaker 2: a break and when I come back, I'll complain about Bono,

1284
01:03:24,853 --> 01:03:26,453
Speaker 2: My plain about him. Okay, yeah, love it. It is

1285
01:03:26,493 --> 01:03:27,213
Speaker 2: twenty one to three.

1286
01:03:28,213 --> 01:03:31,573
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

1287
01:03:31,613 --> 01:03:35,053
Speaker 1: on Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

1288
01:03:35,093 --> 01:03:36,413
Speaker 2: I'd be afternoon to you.

1289
01:03:36,453 --> 01:03:39,853
Speaker 3: It's nineteen two three, and we have been talking about

1290
01:03:39,893 --> 01:03:42,813
Speaker 3: the what is the biggest threat to humanity in your eyes?

1291
01:03:43,213 --> 01:03:44,973
Speaker 3: On the back of a social media post that has

1292
01:03:45,053 --> 01:03:47,653
Speaker 3: gone absolutely ballistic in terms of viral.

1293
01:03:47,773 --> 01:03:50,573
Speaker 2: The six is, why don't you guys use AI on

1294
01:03:50,613 --> 01:03:53,853
Speaker 2: your show? You're both so ill informed? I love that

1295
01:03:53,893 --> 01:03:56,013
Speaker 2: people will have that faith in AI. That's probably why

1296
01:03:56,013 --> 01:03:59,333
Speaker 2: it's one of the most It's number one here on

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Speaker 2: the perceived threats AI misalignment. That's telling if people, why

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Speaker 2: don't you use AI and your show? You're both so informed?

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Speaker 2: AI is how would I put this? Unreliable at best? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it would help you at least stop spreading misinformation.

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Speaker 2: I love this. I love people that tell you that

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01:04:23,213 --> 01:04:25,253
Speaker 2: you were ill informed and then say the stupidest thing

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01:04:25,293 --> 01:04:28,413
Speaker 2: I've ever read in my life. As your teacher's comment

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01:04:28,453 --> 01:04:30,733
Speaker 2: about the power of the sun, did you remind her

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01:04:31,093 --> 01:04:34,933
Speaker 2: that we have the power to block it out? If

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01:04:34,973 --> 01:04:39,613
Speaker 2: you think if AI is telling you that humans have

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01:04:39,693 --> 01:04:42,773
Speaker 2: created anything with an a trilliant, as powerful as a

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01:04:42,813 --> 01:04:46,693
Speaker 2: star or a black hole. Then you need to get

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Speaker 2: off AI and just use your brain for a think

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Speaker 2: a second. Every single thing on planet Earth is at

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Speaker 2: the behest of the energy that's coming from the Sun. Yea, everything,

1312
01:04:57,093 --> 01:05:00,093
Speaker 2: the tetonic plates, every part of it. You know, the

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01:05:00,133 --> 01:05:03,133
Speaker 2: Earth only exists because it was a bunch of space

1314
01:05:03,213 --> 01:05:07,053
Speaker 2: dust was orbiting around the Sun and it consolidated into

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01:05:07,133 --> 01:05:10,853
Speaker 2: our planet, with the heavy minerals in the center, the

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01:05:10,933 --> 01:05:14,093
Speaker 2: crusts going out. Everything is the power of the Sun.

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Speaker 2: There is absolutely nothing on Earth that is even comparatible

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Speaker 2: that has been made by human beings that compares with

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Speaker 2: the Sun. And nuclear you think it, nuclear weapon or

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01:05:25,173 --> 01:05:29,493
Speaker 2: a nuclear war is anything. The Sun is a giant

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01:05:30,813 --> 01:05:35,733
Speaker 2: fission expl nuclear reactor. It is just the most powerful

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Speaker 2: thing obviously in the Solar system.

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Speaker 3: I love this man, get at them, but yeah, that

1324
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Speaker 3: last line, I mean, what is it Monty Burns who

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01:05:42,733 --> 01:05:44,893
Speaker 3: just wants to put up some sort of bloody blocking.

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Speaker 2: The Sun? Isn't that powerful because you can put up

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Speaker 2: your umbrella and you can block the Sun with it.

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Speaker 3: Make you for that laugh?

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Speaker 2: I needed that.

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Speaker 3: Absolute muppet to block it.

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Speaker 2: Just block it. My point on Bono was I was

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Speaker 2: at at one of his concerts, and I knew that

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01:06:02,933 --> 01:06:05,653
Speaker 2: he had helicopped it out to White Hecke Island for

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01:06:05,693 --> 01:06:10,413
Speaker 2: the day, and then helicopter to the sound check yep,

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Speaker 2: and then taking a chopper back to our Hiki Island,

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01:06:12,573 --> 01:06:14,413
Speaker 2: and then a chopper back to the show. Oh right,

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Speaker 2: And then on the screen I had all these pictures

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Speaker 2: of starving people and was asking you to donate to

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01:06:19,173 --> 01:06:23,173
Speaker 2: the climate and climate change and donate money two dollars,

1340
01:06:23,213 --> 01:06:24,653
Speaker 2: and he was going, come on, give us some money,

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01:06:24,653 --> 01:06:26,493
Speaker 2: and I was like, yeah, mate, or maybe you don't

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01:06:26,533 --> 01:06:29,013
Speaker 2: take four helicopter rides in one day, Bono before you

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01:06:29,053 --> 01:06:31,173
Speaker 2: asked me to pony up another two dollars after I've

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01:06:31,173 --> 01:06:33,133
Speaker 2: already paid two hundred and fifty bucks with a ticket

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01:06:33,133 --> 01:06:35,253
Speaker 2: to your quite good show. Actually, yeah, it was nice

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01:06:35,293 --> 01:06:37,453
Speaker 2: to get a good change to take it though, great change,

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01:06:37,493 --> 01:06:39,573
Speaker 2: great singer. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 2: that number to called get a meverick.

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Speaker 8: Goody. I've been waiting a long time for you guys

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01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:50,493
Speaker 8: to bring up that subject. And I love the way

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01:06:50,493 --> 01:06:53,333
Speaker 8: you guys bounce off each other. Sometimes you just ripped

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01:06:53,333 --> 01:06:55,693
Speaker 8: me up there, just I've pierced our eyes.

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01:06:56,093 --> 01:06:58,653
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, Maverick. That's what a nice

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01:06:58,653 --> 01:06:59,533
Speaker 2: thing to bring up and say.

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Speaker 8: Now, Kyle, just before I get into my very brief

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01:07:04,613 --> 01:07:08,893
Speaker 8: theory on our greatest threats, what's your book titled?

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Speaker 2: My book is titled a Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to

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01:07:12,693 --> 01:07:13,693
Speaker 2: love the life You've got.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I must grab a copy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll send you a coffee. Could I could see

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01:07:19,533 --> 01:07:22,413
Speaker 2: if you if you text, then your address Because someone

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01:07:22,453 --> 01:07:25,453
Speaker 2: before or audaciously asked for a free copy, and when

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01:07:25,453 --> 01:07:27,573
Speaker 2: I said I'll get my publishers to send him one,

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01:07:27,773 --> 01:07:29,573
Speaker 2: he said, no, I'll send you a gift first and

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01:07:29,613 --> 01:07:32,373
Speaker 2: then you send me one. So I've got one assigned

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01:07:32,373 --> 01:07:35,293
Speaker 2: to someone that that that doesn't didn't didn't. It's going

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01:07:35,373 --> 01:07:37,693
Speaker 2: to be complicated. So if you send me send me

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Speaker 2: a text through on nine two nine two, Maverick, I'll

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Speaker 2: get one signed out to.

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Speaker 8: You, okay, and I'll send you a copy of my

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Speaker 8: second book. Oh, this is great, called How the New Abnormal?

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Speaker 2: How to Survive the New Abnormal?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, plost covid.

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Speaker 8: Oh, brilliant strategy strategy to handle all the craft that's

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Speaker 8: going on.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to I'd love to give that a read. Maverick,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 8: Thanks. Now, in my mind, my theory, I'm affigure you

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Speaker 8: thinker like you are our biggest threat from the natural environment,

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Speaker 8: which is, I think God made could be right and

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01:08:15,213 --> 01:08:22,732
Speaker 8: could be wrong our earthquakes, right, which then cause tsunamies yep,

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01:08:22,933 --> 01:08:26,372
Speaker 8: which they caused you know mayhem. I mean, was it

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01:08:26,572 --> 01:08:30,293
Speaker 8: ten twelve years ago Sri Lanka in that area where

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Speaker 8: hundreds of thousands chid.

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Speaker 2: Boxing day tsunami? Yeah, that's right. Would you include and

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Speaker 2: they're just sort of general geo that that kind of

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Speaker 2: activity and including because you know, volcanoes and super volcanos

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01:08:42,173 --> 01:08:46,852
Speaker 2: are all all interconnected with with the tectonic plates and stuff.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, definitely. And we are part of the Ring

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Speaker 8: of Fire. Luckily we don't get hit too often because

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Speaker 8: we have thousands every year of small earthquakes that relieve

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Speaker 8: the tension.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not saying this to

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01:09:02,253 --> 01:09:02,852
Speaker 3: scare anybody.

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Speaker 2: Is just reality.

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Speaker 3: But you know, as you'd probably know, Meverick, we're being

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Speaker 3: or scientists have been waiting for the Alpine. It's overdue

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Speaker 3: and that will happen at some stage. It's just a

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01:09:11,612 --> 01:09:15,013
Speaker 3: matter of when not I and trying to think about that.

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Speaker 2: With it towns like Wellington and Queenstown that I worry about. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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01:09:19,452 --> 01:09:23,372
Speaker 2: beautiful and sorry you go on.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, man made threats. Digital technology way ahead of anything else.

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Speaker 2: You mean in terms of AI.

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01:09:37,572 --> 01:09:44,812
Speaker 8: Or radiation. I'm halper sensitive, unfortunately to a digital radiation

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01:09:44,973 --> 01:09:49,012
Speaker 8: or otherwise known as electromagnetic field, and it nearly coilled

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Speaker 8: me twice in the last five years. I'm luckily be

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Speaker 8: sitting here talking to you.

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Speaker 2: I really am what happened there?

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01:09:55,333 --> 01:10:02,213
Speaker 8: Maverett computers in my cars. I bought a brand new

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01:10:02,253 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 8: youth back in twenty twenty and it was with cdsch

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01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:11,492
Speaker 8: nulogy and it fried fried my body. I didn't know

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01:10:11,652 --> 01:10:14,213
Speaker 8: what was happening. I thought it was me. It took

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01:10:14,372 --> 01:10:17,732
Speaker 8: seven months to work it out, and I've meant to

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01:10:17,772 --> 01:10:22,532
Speaker 8: get it repossessed, thank God, because I repeat the paper

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01:10:23,173 --> 01:10:29,253
Speaker 8: and the second comes just to listenly fully electric was

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01:10:29,293 --> 01:10:32,213
Speaker 8: the last year, and I spent too much time in

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01:10:32,253 --> 01:10:33,772
Speaker 8: it one day and fried me again.

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01:10:34,772 --> 01:10:38,293
Speaker 2: And and what what was the symptoms of you know,

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01:10:38,333 --> 01:10:40,893
Speaker 2: what what symptoms did you experience from the frying.

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01:10:42,133 --> 01:10:46,173
Speaker 8: Swelling? We like you would not believe blood coming out

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01:10:46,213 --> 01:10:50,652
Speaker 8: of my skin and wow, lots of two layers of

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01:10:50,732 --> 01:10:53,532
Speaker 8: so far two layers of skin for about seven months

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01:10:53,572 --> 01:10:55,732
Speaker 8: and a bever itching like sunburn.

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01:10:56,412 --> 01:10:58,213
Speaker 2: A right, and did you did you go and see

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01:10:58,853 --> 01:11:01,412
Speaker 2: a physician about it? A doctor about it? And if so,

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01:11:01,492 --> 01:11:03,333
Speaker 2: what did they say?

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01:11:03,933 --> 01:11:07,213
Speaker 8: He said, God, you were very, very sick.

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01:11:07,772 --> 01:11:08,892
Speaker 7: You better go to hospital.

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01:11:10,053 --> 01:11:11,732
Speaker 2: And what did you do? And what did you do

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Speaker 2: to recover? Because you sound reasonably healthy now, Maverick.

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Speaker 8: I'm eighty percent, which is as well as I'll ever be.

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01:11:20,253 --> 01:11:22,253
Speaker 8: I'll never get to one hundred percent again, but i

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Speaker 8: am seventy three years of use today and every birthday,

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01:11:27,213 --> 01:11:32,652
Speaker 8: thank you. And I've been trying to get New Zealand

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01:11:32,692 --> 01:11:36,732
Speaker 8: house in acc to recognize the fact that some people

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01:11:36,893 --> 01:11:41,293
Speaker 8: are sensitive to digital technology. And more and more it's

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01:11:41,772 --> 01:11:46,372
Speaker 8: technology grows and gets small powerful, it's going to get worse.

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01:11:46,412 --> 01:11:48,772
Speaker 8: But guess what they don't want to know.

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01:11:50,133 --> 01:11:52,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Maverick, we're glad you're doing pretty well now

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01:11:52,532 --> 01:11:54,932
Speaker 3: and you sound pretty chipper for seventy three years old.

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01:11:55,333 --> 01:11:58,173
Speaker 3: But all the best to you, my friend. And as

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01:11:58,213 --> 01:12:00,293
Speaker 3: Matt said, make sure you take three year address.

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01:12:01,053 --> 01:12:04,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Maverick has text through his address from

1444
01:12:04,532 --> 01:12:07,133
Speaker 2: about twenty different addresses. How many phones does he have?

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01:12:07,213 --> 01:12:10,692
Speaker 2: That's fascinating, isn't that for their free book? I'll just

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01:12:10,732 --> 01:12:12,772
Speaker 2: assume these are all Mavericks and then get the books

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01:12:12,812 --> 01:12:14,133
Speaker 2: in out to the right.

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01:12:14,133 --> 01:12:16,053
Speaker 3: We're gonna play some messages. But oh, one hundred and eighty,

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01:12:16,173 --> 01:12:19,452
Speaker 3: ten eighty. We may have time for another call after

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01:12:20,133 --> 01:12:22,212
Speaker 3: the break. But can you hear from you in your opinion?

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01:12:22,213 --> 01:12:23,773
Speaker 3: What is the biggest threat to humanity?

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01:12:23,812 --> 01:12:24,652
Speaker 2: Ten? Do three?

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01:12:25,812 --> 01:12:28,253
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and if it have fun

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01:12:28,293 --> 01:12:32,292
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News Talk.

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01:12:32,173 --> 01:12:34,213
Speaker 2: ZIB News Talks it be.

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01:12:34,333 --> 01:12:37,093
Speaker 3: It is seven two three, and we have been talking

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01:12:37,133 --> 01:12:40,133
Speaker 3: about what is in your view the biggest threat to humanity?

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01:12:40,293 --> 01:12:44,412
Speaker 2: The six says suddenly is your muppets. Yeah, so I

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01:12:44,452 --> 01:12:46,852
Speaker 2: think they mean Solo fly is. Yes, well, I guess

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01:12:46,933 --> 01:12:49,372
Speaker 2: the same thing, son Solar solftly is. You know when

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01:12:49,372 --> 01:12:53,093
Speaker 2: one of those that they can release just just your

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01:12:53,173 --> 01:12:56,772
Speaker 2: run of the mill soulo flare is you know, as

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01:12:56,812 --> 01:12:59,652
Speaker 2: much as energy is a billion atomic to bombs just

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01:12:59,732 --> 01:13:03,492
Speaker 2: a number out of my butt. Yep, let's just say

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01:13:03,492 --> 01:13:05,732
Speaker 2: a billion atomic bombs. Luckily, a lot of energy, a

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01:13:05,732 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 2: lot of energy. And then then you get those massive

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01:13:08,732 --> 01:13:12,053
Speaker 2: electro men that waves torrents of them traveling towards the

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Speaker 2: Earth at speed of light. Yeah, and they can potentially

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Speaker 2: disrupt shortwave radio transmissions.

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Speaker 9: Ye.

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Speaker 3: Can they take out settleites? I think they can interrupt satellites,

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01:13:20,412 --> 01:13:20,772
Speaker 3: can't they?

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01:13:20,893 --> 01:13:22,772
Speaker 2: I think they can if they're big enough. Yeah. But

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01:13:22,812 --> 01:13:25,333
Speaker 2: I mean in the end, the Sun's going to kill

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01:13:25,412 --> 01:13:28,972
Speaker 2: us all. Yeah, just in about five to seven billion years,

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01:13:29,013 --> 01:13:31,172
Speaker 2: which is good when it expands into a red giant

1477
01:13:31,173 --> 01:13:33,452
Speaker 2: and sort of engulfs the Earth. So even if we

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01:13:33,532 --> 01:13:37,133
Speaker 2: readly time, we've got a bit of time. Have we

1479
01:13:37,213 --> 01:13:40,572
Speaker 2: got the five billionaire plan to deal with the Sun

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01:13:40,652 --> 01:13:41,732
Speaker 2: turning into a red giant?

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01:13:42,293 --> 01:13:43,293
Speaker 3: Someone else's problem?

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01:13:43,652 --> 01:13:43,732
Speaker 9: Right?

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01:13:43,772 --> 01:13:45,412
Speaker 2: I think we've got time for new can We've got

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01:13:45,412 --> 01:13:46,532
Speaker 2: to be quick mates?

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01:13:47,572 --> 01:13:47,812
Speaker 17: Yeah?

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01:13:47,893 --> 01:13:52,213
Speaker 12: Okay, then, yeah, wors enemy is ourselves. We don't learn

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01:13:52,253 --> 01:13:54,693
Speaker 12: to get on with each other and just get it done.

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01:13:55,093 --> 01:13:57,692
Speaker 12: We could be brilliant if we put it, but we've

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01:13:57,692 --> 01:14:00,412
Speaker 12: got to get were the world's going to get together

1490
01:14:00,532 --> 01:14:03,892
Speaker 12: and do it together, you know, not separate. As separate

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01:14:03,933 --> 01:14:04,572
Speaker 12: as we are.

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01:14:04,492 --> 01:14:07,333
Speaker 2: Now, how do you reckon we get on the same page?

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01:14:07,452 --> 01:14:10,572
Speaker 2: You can, because there's what eight billion of us right now,

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01:14:10,893 --> 01:14:12,412
Speaker 2: And so how do we get together.

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01:14:13,412 --> 01:14:17,013
Speaker 12: I'll get all our main scientists together, and I'll tell

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01:14:17,133 --> 01:14:20,053
Speaker 12: those politicians how that. Just shut up and get on

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01:14:20,133 --> 01:14:22,973
Speaker 12: with it, you know what I mean, because all the

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01:14:22,973 --> 01:14:26,052
Speaker 12: scientists together, I think for the common good.

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01:14:26,612 --> 01:14:29,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what about the fact that all humans are

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Speaker 2: political and so these scientists they often have political agendas

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01:14:33,893 --> 01:14:36,133
Speaker 2: of their own and need someone else to tell them

1502
01:14:36,213 --> 01:14:38,333
Speaker 2: to just stick to the facts and stick to it,

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01:14:38,333 --> 01:14:40,532
Speaker 2: to what's good for humanity and not be pushing their

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01:14:40,532 --> 01:14:41,452
Speaker 2: own agendas.

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01:14:42,253 --> 01:14:45,052
Speaker 12: No, you're exactly right, but it all bolled out the money.

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01:14:45,093 --> 01:14:48,412
Speaker 12: And now the number one thing is money, and golden money.

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01:14:48,612 --> 01:14:49,412
Speaker 12: Just money, that's all.

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01:14:49,492 --> 01:14:53,572
Speaker 3: It is, golden money that makes the will go rounds

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01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:54,173
Speaker 3: for some people.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:14:54,692 --> 01:15:00,052
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, so what causes you know, nuclear

1512
01:15:00,133 --> 01:15:02,892
Speaker 2: war being sitting at number three on this list of

1513
01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:09,772
Speaker 2: existential threats to humanity? I mean what starts wars? Often resources? Yeah,

1514
01:15:09,812 --> 01:15:15,532
Speaker 2: also often beliefs, yep, political differences. Yeah, the ways that

1515
01:15:15,572 --> 01:15:17,133
Speaker 2: they think they can run the world. To reckon, We've

1516
01:15:17,133 --> 01:15:18,812
Speaker 2: saved the planet this hour, Tayler.

1517
01:15:18,933 --> 01:15:20,852
Speaker 3: I think we have, thankfully. I know it's been worrying

1518
01:15:20,893 --> 01:15:24,973
Speaker 3: a lot of people, but Thank god we solve that one.

1519
01:15:24,692 --> 01:15:27,412
Speaker 2: I hope we've saved Maverick. Yes, he was a great

1520
01:15:27,412 --> 01:15:27,892
Speaker 2: New Zealander.

1521
01:15:27,853 --> 01:15:29,852
Speaker 3: I loved his school yeap, and looking forward to seeing

1522
01:15:29,853 --> 01:15:33,253
Speaker 3: his book as well. Actually fantastic our thank you very

1523
01:15:33,293 --> 01:15:34,852
Speaker 3: much for all your calls and texts on that one.

1524
01:15:34,893 --> 01:15:37,333
Speaker 3: Coming up after three o'clock, let's have a chat about

1525
01:15:37,333 --> 01:15:41,012
Speaker 3: Shark's great story about a marine biologist attacked by a shark.

1526
01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:44,492
Speaker 3: Pretty gnarly and he wants to find the shark again.

1527
01:15:44,692 --> 01:15:45,572
Speaker 3: He loves the shark.

1528
01:15:45,652 --> 01:15:48,452
Speaker 2: Today is my kind of show, Existential threats to the

1529
01:15:48,572 --> 01:15:50,293
Speaker 2: humanity into shark attacks.

1530
01:15:50,372 --> 01:15:52,532
Speaker 3: Yes, and we're gonna have a chat to a man

1531
01:15:52,772 --> 01:15:55,372
Speaker 3: you may know. He's no one as shark man, Riley Elliott.

1532
01:15:55,452 --> 01:15:57,892
Speaker 3: That's all coming up very shortly, but get on the phone.

1533
01:15:57,933 --> 01:16:00,133
Speaker 3: Z one hundred and eighty ten eighty nine to nine

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01:16:00,173 --> 01:16:01,012
Speaker 3: two is the texts.

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01:16:03,492 --> 01:16:07,772
Speaker 1: Your new homes are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Matty

1536
01:16:08,053 --> 01:16:11,973
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sebby.

1537
01:16:12,293 --> 01:16:14,572
Speaker 3: Good day to you, Welcome back into the show. I

1538
01:16:14,612 --> 01:16:17,333
Speaker 3: hope you're having a good Thursday, seven past three. This

1539
01:16:17,372 --> 01:16:18,892
Speaker 3: is going to be a great chat. We want to

1540
01:16:18,933 --> 01:16:22,773
Speaker 3: talk about sharks. This is after a story marine biologist.

1541
01:16:22,853 --> 01:16:26,492
Speaker 3: His name is Mercurio Hoyos. He was conducting a tagging

1542
01:16:26,532 --> 01:16:30,532
Speaker 3: expedition off Costa Rica when a female Galapagos shark turned

1543
01:16:30,812 --> 01:16:32,452
Speaker 3: and bit him right in the head and face as

1544
01:16:32,492 --> 01:16:34,852
Speaker 3: he tagged its dorsal fin. It's a gnarly scar if

1545
01:16:34,893 --> 01:16:37,692
Speaker 3: you see the picture. But amazingly he did survive. Clearly

1546
01:16:38,133 --> 01:16:41,173
Speaker 3: the hoses on his scuba gear were severed. He heard

1547
01:16:41,213 --> 01:16:44,052
Speaker 3: his skull crush, but he now says the shark spared

1548
01:16:44,093 --> 01:16:46,492
Speaker 3: his life and he'd love to meet this dear shark again.

1549
01:16:46,732 --> 01:16:49,452
Speaker 2: That's interesting. First of all, how would you know it

1550
01:16:49,492 --> 01:16:52,892
Speaker 2: was the same shark? But secondly he thinks that the

1551
01:16:52,933 --> 01:16:56,933
Speaker 2: shark made a decision not to eat him. I don't know.

1552
01:16:57,133 --> 01:17:00,012
Speaker 2: I don't know if sharks have that kind of higher thinking.

1553
01:17:00,053 --> 01:17:01,652
Speaker 2: They've been around for a very long time, but i'd

1554
01:17:01,652 --> 01:17:04,572
Speaker 2: describe them more as just killing machines. I think it's

1555
01:17:04,572 --> 01:17:07,892
Speaker 2: more likely he bit bit his head and went, well,

1556
01:17:07,933 --> 01:17:11,172
Speaker 2: this isn't very tasty, because you know, sharks don't normally

1557
01:17:11,853 --> 01:17:14,652
Speaker 2: they're not evolved to eat monkeys, and so when they

1558
01:17:14,652 --> 01:17:17,852
Speaker 2: come across humans, I think it's never a good feed

1559
01:17:17,893 --> 01:17:21,092
Speaker 2: for them. Yeah, you know, it's not like a nice

1560
01:17:21,893 --> 01:17:24,852
Speaker 2: a nice fish, a nice big fish, even a seal.

1561
01:17:24,933 --> 01:17:26,892
Speaker 2: A seal a lot of blubber and seal. We're kind

1562
01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:30,333
Speaker 2: of even fat, and as we're terribly obese, we're not

1563
01:17:30,412 --> 01:17:33,892
Speaker 2: much of a feed for a for a shark, are

1564
01:17:33,893 --> 01:17:34,372
Speaker 2: we No.

1565
01:17:34,412 --> 01:17:36,333
Speaker 3: And it's a good point because he's scuba diving, so

1566
01:17:36,532 --> 01:17:39,372
Speaker 3: arguably he's gone a wetsuit on and he probably looks

1567
01:17:39,412 --> 01:17:40,532
Speaker 3: like a nice tasty seal.

1568
01:17:41,013 --> 01:17:43,572
Speaker 2: Bite into it and go, oh, there's bony monkey. Yeah,

1569
01:17:43,612 --> 01:17:44,372
Speaker 2: what is this stuff?

1570
01:17:44,492 --> 01:17:44,652
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1571
01:17:44,692 --> 01:17:45,412
Speaker 3: Where's the fat?

1572
01:17:45,732 --> 01:17:49,732
Speaker 2: But I love that he was sort of a glass

1573
01:17:49,732 --> 01:17:53,253
Speaker 2: halfful sort of positive spiritual person that said, no, the

1574
01:17:53,333 --> 01:17:54,333
Speaker 2: shark spared me.

1575
01:17:55,053 --> 01:17:57,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they can be misunderstood creatures. I know for

1576
01:17:57,812 --> 01:18:00,173
Speaker 3: some people. I've got to say I have never had

1577
01:18:00,213 --> 01:18:02,492
Speaker 3: a major shark encounter, and I've done a bit of

1578
01:18:02,492 --> 01:18:05,372
Speaker 3: spear diving, but a free diving for power. But I

1579
01:18:05,372 --> 01:18:08,012
Speaker 3: I've always had that fear that they're out there and

1580
01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:10,253
Speaker 3: always kind of like have the eyes at the back

1581
01:18:10,253 --> 01:18:12,173
Speaker 3: of my head so to speak, when I'm diving, but

1582
01:18:12,253 --> 01:18:14,133
Speaker 3: never a dog fash is as far as I've gone.

1583
01:18:14,173 --> 01:18:16,372
Speaker 2: Did you see Jaws was out the fiftieth anniversary of

1584
01:18:16,412 --> 01:18:18,253
Speaker 2: Jaws was out earlier this year. You could watch in

1585
01:18:18,293 --> 01:18:21,372
Speaker 2: cinemas and I watched Jaws again, and what a fantastic

1586
01:18:21,452 --> 01:18:24,253
Speaker 2: movie that is. But before Jaws, and before the book

1587
01:18:24,253 --> 01:18:26,492
Speaker 2: that Jaws is based on, which is only released about

1588
01:18:26,732 --> 01:18:28,772
Speaker 2: less than a year, I think before the movie came out,

1589
01:18:29,812 --> 01:18:32,293
Speaker 2: people weren't as scared of sharks as they are now.

1590
01:18:32,372 --> 01:18:34,892
Speaker 2: Sharks have gone inside our hits, they have, and we're

1591
01:18:35,013 --> 01:18:38,532
Speaker 2: very worried about sharks. We're very focused on sharks now.

1592
01:18:39,492 --> 01:18:42,612
Speaker 2: But as I was saying before, very unlikely to be

1593
01:18:42,652 --> 01:18:47,013
Speaker 2: attacked by a shark, very very unlikely. The ISAF, the

1594
01:18:47,053 --> 01:18:51,213
Speaker 2: International Shark Attack File recorded seventy three shark attacks globally

1595
01:18:51,253 --> 01:18:52,812
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. These are the last stats I

1596
01:18:52,893 --> 01:18:55,333
Speaker 2: have twenty twenty one. Yep, this is from my book,

1597
01:18:55,772 --> 01:18:58,412
Speaker 2: of which nine were fatal. On the other hand, the

1598
01:18:58,532 --> 01:19:00,892
Speaker 2: chance of a shark attack being attacked by a human

1599
01:19:00,933 --> 01:19:03,173
Speaker 2: are much higher. We kill over one hundred million of

1600
01:19:03,173 --> 01:19:06,132
Speaker 2: their kind of year, which is roughly eleven thousand sharks

1601
01:19:06,133 --> 01:19:13,093
Speaker 2: per hour, or three per second, three sacks nine.

1602
01:19:13,093 --> 01:19:14,613
Speaker 3: Or stop it stop counting.

1603
01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:17,412
Speaker 2: Already that three seconds, we've killed more sharks than they

1604
01:19:17,492 --> 01:19:18,732
Speaker 2: killed us in twenty twenty one.

1605
01:19:18,853 --> 01:19:20,052
Speaker 3: They are massively at gunns.

1606
01:19:20,253 --> 01:19:23,853
Speaker 2: So in the shark versus man battles of the species,

1607
01:19:24,173 --> 01:19:28,093
Speaker 2: we are kacking their asses absolutely, and sometimes, as I

1608
01:19:28,173 --> 01:19:30,892
Speaker 2: say before, we will just nip their fin off for

1609
01:19:30,933 --> 01:19:32,492
Speaker 2: a shark from soup and let the rest of the

1610
01:19:32,492 --> 01:19:34,333
Speaker 2: shark just float to the bottom of the ocean.

1611
01:19:34,053 --> 01:19:36,012
Speaker 3: A bug on man in some places in the world.

1612
01:19:35,893 --> 01:19:38,293
Speaker 2: Which isn't very very good. But I think a lot

1613
01:19:38,333 --> 01:19:40,293
Speaker 2: of us in New Zealanders, a lot of us in

1614
01:19:40,293 --> 01:19:44,213
Speaker 2: New Zealand, we are maritime people. We love the ocean.

1615
01:19:44,213 --> 01:19:46,692
Speaker 2: We're out fishing all the time, We're out pesting the

1616
01:19:46,732 --> 01:19:49,812
Speaker 2: coasts of our beautiful land. So a lot of us

1617
01:19:49,933 --> 01:19:54,772
Speaker 2: have experienced sharks. And you know, a couple of years ago,

1618
01:19:55,253 --> 01:19:58,372
Speaker 2: my son and I and my buddy Mike and his

1619
01:19:58,452 --> 01:20:04,093
Speaker 2: son Miller, we're out fishing up on Fung Bay, beautiful

1620
01:20:04,213 --> 01:20:07,892
Speaker 2: and a bloody marco came up, but the snapper off

1621
01:20:07,933 --> 01:20:09,612
Speaker 2: my son Lyon as he was pulling it in.

1622
01:20:09,893 --> 01:20:11,652
Speaker 3: That is that's that's scary.

1623
01:20:11,853 --> 01:20:14,093
Speaker 2: It was cool, Yeah, a lot it was. It was

1624
01:20:14,173 --> 01:20:17,212
Speaker 2: cinematic how it sort of sort of breached the surface

1625
01:20:17,253 --> 01:20:18,452
Speaker 2: and came up and then just.

1626
01:20:18,652 --> 01:20:21,532
Speaker 3: Actually got out of the water to cake a fish.

1627
01:20:21,612 --> 01:20:25,132
Speaker 2: Can a Marco? Would a Marco eat a human? Because

1628
01:20:25,253 --> 01:20:27,452
Speaker 2: because because Then then the next day we were snorkeling

1629
01:20:27,492 --> 01:20:31,133
Speaker 2: and my son said to me, hey, your dad, Hey dad,

1630
01:20:31,213 --> 01:20:34,133
Speaker 2: is that that Marco that ate my snapper? He came back,

1631
01:20:34,812 --> 01:20:38,012
Speaker 2: is that in the water with us now? And I said, well, technically, son,

1632
01:20:38,133 --> 01:20:40,732
Speaker 2: all sharks are in the water with us right now,

1633
01:20:40,812 --> 01:20:43,732
Speaker 2: because you know, it's one big amount of water and

1634
01:20:43,732 --> 01:20:46,293
Speaker 2: we're in here, so every single shark in the world,

1635
01:20:46,772 --> 01:20:48,972
Speaker 2: in the world is kind of in the same water

1636
01:20:49,013 --> 01:20:49,572
Speaker 2: with us now.

1637
01:20:49,692 --> 01:20:49,852
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1638
01:20:49,933 --> 01:20:51,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he's their kingdom. And he said, Dad, can

1639
01:20:51,893 --> 01:20:54,452
Speaker 2: I get back in the boat now? That's been a

1640
01:20:54,492 --> 01:20:54,892
Speaker 2: good dad.

1641
01:20:55,053 --> 01:20:57,173
Speaker 3: I eatee hundred eighty t and eighty love to hear

1642
01:20:57,412 --> 01:21:00,772
Speaker 3: about your shark experiences. If you've ever come up close

1643
01:21:01,093 --> 01:21:03,293
Speaker 3: with a shark while you were swimming. I eight one

1644
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:05,732
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call him?

1645
01:21:05,732 --> 01:21:07,852
Speaker 3: If you know about Marco sharks. They look pretty gnarly.

1646
01:21:08,412 --> 01:21:10,532
Speaker 3: All sharks do. But I imagine there's been a few

1647
01:21:10,652 --> 01:21:12,692
Speaker 3: Marcos who have had a chicky bite on a human

1648
01:21:12,732 --> 01:21:13,333
Speaker 3: from time to time.

1649
01:21:13,452 --> 01:21:15,372
Speaker 2: What are the bad ones? The whale sharks sweet airs.

1650
01:21:15,412 --> 01:21:16,412
Speaker 2: That's not going to do you.

1651
01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:20,213
Speaker 3: Tiger sharks are pretty feisty. So I hear great great white. Yeah, yeah,

1652
01:21:20,253 --> 01:21:22,412
Speaker 3: you probably want to stay away from a great white around.

1653
01:21:22,492 --> 01:21:25,053
Speaker 2: There's a few of them around, fov. Yeah, come on through.

1654
01:21:25,093 --> 01:21:26,532
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

1655
01:21:26,612 --> 01:21:28,732
Speaker 3: number to call? Nine to nine two is the textas

1656
01:21:28,732 --> 01:21:31,932
Speaker 3: twelve plast three US talk said, be very good afternoon.

1657
01:21:32,133 --> 01:21:35,133
Speaker 3: So we're talking about shark experiences. Love to hear yours

1658
01:21:35,133 --> 01:21:37,532
Speaker 3: if you've come up close with one of the EPIX predators.

1659
01:21:37,572 --> 01:21:38,972
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1660
01:21:38,772 --> 01:21:41,612
Speaker 2: I met and Tyler. Worldwide, more many more people are

1661
01:21:41,692 --> 01:21:44,772
Speaker 2: killed by cows than are killed by sharks. That's from

1662
01:21:44,853 --> 01:21:47,772
Speaker 2: Peter from Levin. Yeah, stay away from cows. Yeah, well

1663
01:21:47,812 --> 01:21:50,372
Speaker 2: we live in the same where we live in Land,

1664
01:21:51,133 --> 01:21:53,572
Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, kind of makes more sense.

1665
01:21:53,612 --> 01:21:55,093
Speaker 3: We deal with them a lot more than we deal

1666
01:21:55,093 --> 01:21:56,532
Speaker 3: with sharks, and most of us.

1667
01:21:56,412 --> 01:21:59,573
Speaker 2: And a bull will miss you up. Yeah, yeah absolutely.

1668
01:22:00,213 --> 01:22:01,973
Speaker 3: Craig, how are you mate?

1669
01:22:02,253 --> 01:22:05,293
Speaker 7: Yeah? Good mate. Hey, look, I don't want to bore

1670
01:22:05,333 --> 01:22:06,973
Speaker 7: you too much here, but I'm sure there are other

1671
01:22:07,013 --> 01:22:10,812
Speaker 7: people haven't seen stories. I've been an ocean dweller since

1672
01:22:10,812 --> 01:22:13,692
Speaker 7: I was seven years old, you know, so like start

1673
01:22:13,772 --> 01:22:17,012
Speaker 7: off and surfing, and then went into kayaks, fishing and things.

1674
01:22:17,612 --> 01:22:20,173
Speaker 7: So I've been pretty use having sharks around me all

1675
01:22:20,173 --> 01:22:23,973
Speaker 7: my life. They just they just here. They're part of

1676
01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:28,293
Speaker 7: the environment, and it's very rare that they kind of

1677
01:22:28,293 --> 01:22:33,253
Speaker 7: get aggressive, to be honest. So I started off surfing

1678
01:22:33,293 --> 01:22:35,612
Speaker 7: down regularly seven years old and went over to Indo

1679
01:22:35,772 --> 01:22:38,652
Speaker 7: and Thailand and surfed over there, and you got used

1680
01:22:38,652 --> 01:22:42,852
Speaker 7: to seeing tiger sharks in the water over there. Everybody did,

1681
01:22:42,973 --> 01:22:45,852
Speaker 7: and it was kind of everyone understood that they don't

1682
01:22:45,853 --> 01:22:49,333
Speaker 7: have a go at you. They're just mooching around the

1683
01:22:49,372 --> 01:22:50,932
Speaker 7: same roofs looking for further.

1684
01:22:52,732 --> 01:22:54,452
Speaker 2: So if you see it, if you see it, you

1685
01:22:54,492 --> 01:22:57,612
Speaker 2: see a shark, you see a shak, then you you've

1686
01:22:57,853 --> 01:22:59,092
Speaker 2: experienced no fear.

1687
01:22:58,933 --> 01:23:02,492
Speaker 7: Craig, No, not at all. I mean, you notice it,

1688
01:23:02,692 --> 01:23:05,452
Speaker 7: you take it, you pay attention because you want to

1689
01:23:05,452 --> 01:23:08,333
Speaker 7: make sure it's it's not something big, a little mongly.

1690
01:23:09,253 --> 01:23:12,333
Speaker 7: But but that's pretty normal seeing them amongst the ways

1691
01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:15,132
Speaker 7: when you're surfing, when you're surfing in countries like that.

1692
01:23:15,173 --> 01:23:18,253
Speaker 3: So there's nothing, there's nothing, no sort of tips that

1693
01:23:18,293 --> 01:23:20,293
Speaker 3: you'd have in the back of your mind if one

1694
01:23:20,333 --> 01:23:20,973
Speaker 3: did come at you.

1695
01:23:22,853 --> 01:23:26,013
Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, yeah, Like you don't want to look like

1696
01:23:26,013 --> 01:23:30,532
Speaker 7: a victim. So if you see a shark that coming,

1697
01:23:30,853 --> 01:23:33,012
Speaker 7: maybe raking yourself up to the bottom from the bottom

1698
01:23:33,013 --> 01:23:35,692
Speaker 7: of a little bit and coming up, then he's maybe

1699
01:23:35,732 --> 01:23:39,852
Speaker 7: a little bit more aggressive. So you just pulled your

1700
01:23:39,933 --> 01:23:42,612
Speaker 7: legs in close to the board, stop flapping your arms about,

1701
01:23:43,732 --> 01:23:46,372
Speaker 7: and eyebore them. If you need to even stick your

1702
01:23:46,372 --> 01:23:48,732
Speaker 7: hand with the water and actually in the face to face.

1703
01:23:49,053 --> 01:23:51,372
Speaker 7: Really yeah, he'll back off.

1704
01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:54,972
Speaker 2: They will get in face. Do you think they back

1705
01:23:55,013 --> 01:23:57,213
Speaker 2: off because you've intimidated them or they back off because

1706
01:23:57,213 --> 01:23:59,852
Speaker 2: they go this is a weird creature. This isn't this

1707
01:23:59,893 --> 01:24:01,772
Speaker 2: is an online menu. I don't need that thing.

1708
01:24:02,732 --> 01:24:05,412
Speaker 7: I actually think like in those countries I'm talking about,

1709
01:24:05,412 --> 01:24:08,253
Speaker 7: they see serpents all the time, so there's nothing new

1710
01:24:08,412 --> 01:24:12,133
Speaker 7: about us. It just might be one that's a little

1711
01:24:12,173 --> 01:24:15,412
Speaker 7: bit bigger, bit more aggressive. It's not about intimidating them

1712
01:24:15,452 --> 01:24:17,572
Speaker 7: so much as making them aware that you're aware of them.

1713
01:24:18,053 --> 01:24:20,892
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I see what's saying. Yeah, So so you

1714
01:24:20,933 --> 01:24:23,093
Speaker 2: know they're revolved to see eyes looking at them. They

1715
01:24:23,093 --> 01:24:26,532
Speaker 2: want they want to attack, you know, more stealthily. They

1716
01:24:26,532 --> 01:24:28,613
Speaker 2: don't want to they don't want to tax something that's

1717
01:24:28,612 --> 01:24:31,013
Speaker 2: staring at it and maybe injure them.

1718
01:24:31,532 --> 01:24:34,572
Speaker 7: Yeah, pretty much. And you know, as I like, as

1719
01:24:34,572 --> 01:24:36,492
Speaker 7: I said, I did that for many years and I

1720
01:24:36,572 --> 01:24:38,652
Speaker 7: never saw anyone get attack by a shark. And all

1721
01:24:38,692 --> 01:24:43,532
Speaker 7: those year surfing, and then I've gone on to fishing

1722
01:24:43,532 --> 01:24:47,692
Speaker 7: from kayaks around New Zealands and going after big fish,

1723
01:24:47,772 --> 01:24:52,093
Speaker 7: going after you gettings and things on a kayak, you know,

1724
01:24:52,333 --> 01:24:56,372
Speaker 7: maybe five kilometers out the sea, you know, and you

1725
01:24:56,492 --> 01:24:58,213
Speaker 7: get some big boys want to come and have a

1726
01:24:58,213 --> 01:25:01,772
Speaker 7: look at you there. And that's a little different.

1727
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:06,372
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a mental game, is what what kind

1728
01:25:06,412 --> 01:25:08,333
Speaker 2: of sharks are those that you're seeing five kl leaders out?

1729
01:25:10,093 --> 01:25:13,612
Speaker 7: Mostly Marco's Oh yeah, you know, yeah.

1730
01:25:13,692 --> 01:25:16,173
Speaker 2: Stats on Marco's there, Tiler. So I was saying, can

1731
01:25:16,213 --> 01:25:19,213
Speaker 2: a Marco take you down? And it's very rare, isn't it. Yeah.

1732
01:25:19,293 --> 01:25:23,413
Speaker 3: So Marco sharks have been responsible for fifty attacks on humans.

1733
01:25:23,492 --> 01:25:26,812
Speaker 3: This is you know, since records began, with two resulting

1734
01:25:26,893 --> 01:25:27,733
Speaker 3: in fatalities.

1735
01:25:29,452 --> 01:25:32,213
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I see the same thing like that. They

1736
01:25:32,293 --> 01:25:34,772
Speaker 7: kind of act like to act quite aggressive, like they'll

1737
01:25:34,853 --> 01:25:38,772
Speaker 7: jump out of the water, they'll throw themselves down just

1738
01:25:38,812 --> 01:25:42,692
Speaker 7: to let you know they're there really, and that's that's okay.

1739
01:25:42,853 --> 01:25:47,093
Speaker 7: So but I mean, I honestly think most of the

1740
01:25:47,133 --> 01:25:50,412
Speaker 7: sharks we have in the water around New Zealand are

1741
01:25:50,492 --> 01:25:54,173
Speaker 7: really just checking us out. So take the time, don't

1742
01:25:54,492 --> 01:25:57,572
Speaker 7: don't do things to aggravate them. Like I've seen guys

1743
01:25:57,572 --> 01:26:01,532
Speaker 7: go out seriously kayak fishing and they're catching fashion throwing

1744
01:26:01,572 --> 01:26:03,972
Speaker 7: into the back of the kayaks and they're bleeding into

1745
01:26:03,973 --> 01:26:08,652
Speaker 7: the water and it's like, what are you doing? Yeeriously,

1746
01:26:08,973 --> 01:26:11,293
Speaker 7: if you want at tension, you've got it, do.

1747
01:26:11,853 --> 01:26:17,052
Speaker 2: You think, Because yeah, it's interesting. Because and this guy

1748
01:26:17,133 --> 01:26:20,892
Speaker 2: that's been attacked by by the shark, he said that

1749
01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:23,812
Speaker 2: the sharks spared him. And I think the sharks probably

1750
01:26:23,853 --> 01:26:26,492
Speaker 2: don't don't have that kind of cognitive ability. But in

1751
01:26:26,532 --> 01:26:30,812
Speaker 2: your in your travels, what about sea mammals, you know,

1752
01:26:31,173 --> 01:26:33,093
Speaker 2: an orca. I feel like an orca could do some

1753
01:26:33,213 --> 01:26:35,732
Speaker 2: damage and it might actually decide to I think an

1754
01:26:35,812 --> 01:26:40,213
Speaker 2: orca is more likely to, you know, either spare you

1755
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:41,333
Speaker 2: or decide to target you.

1756
01:26:42,652 --> 01:26:45,012
Speaker 7: I've had orcas came up around me, and I've also

1757
01:26:45,053 --> 01:26:49,372
Speaker 7: had sothern right wall's come up around me, and they're

1758
01:26:49,492 --> 01:26:52,732
Speaker 7: just beautiful animals really, and they're really intelligent, so they

1759
01:26:52,772 --> 01:26:54,052
Speaker 7: don't see us as food.

1760
01:26:54,893 --> 01:26:56,012
Speaker 2: They don't see us as a seal.

1761
01:26:57,652 --> 01:27:00,452
Speaker 7: Yeah, they don't see this as a seal. It depends, honestly,

1762
01:27:00,492 --> 01:27:02,412
Speaker 7: it probably depends on what you're looking like. If if

1763
01:27:02,452 --> 01:27:05,812
Speaker 7: you're swimming, that could be quite a different response to

1764
01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:09,772
Speaker 7: what I see in a kayak. Yeah, so you be honestly,

1765
01:27:10,133 --> 01:27:14,212
Speaker 7: there's probably quite a big difference here. But in the kayak,

1766
01:27:14,492 --> 01:27:19,333
Speaker 7: I've had some pretty interesting I've had the odd bronze

1767
01:27:19,333 --> 01:27:20,973
Speaker 7: whil I came up and have a bit of a

1768
01:27:21,013 --> 01:27:24,972
Speaker 7: push on the kayak nice you know, and I've given

1769
01:27:25,013 --> 01:27:26,412
Speaker 7: them a slap on the head with her.

1770
01:27:27,893 --> 01:27:29,812
Speaker 3: Was there to push them away, saying you're getting a

1771
01:27:29,812 --> 01:27:30,693
Speaker 3: little bit closer.

1772
01:27:30,452 --> 01:27:33,053
Speaker 7: Bit close, you're getting a bit close to mate, And

1773
01:27:33,133 --> 01:27:36,652
Speaker 7: they do respond to that. So it's like, okay, yeah,

1774
01:27:36,732 --> 01:27:38,732
Speaker 7: this this is not an easy meal. So I'll just

1775
01:27:38,893 --> 01:27:41,612
Speaker 7: go away. And they weren't looking for me anyway, they

1776
01:27:41,612 --> 01:27:42,932
Speaker 7: were just looking for my catch.

1777
01:27:43,333 --> 01:27:43,572
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1778
01:27:43,812 --> 01:27:47,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, so bronzewell, I mean, so they're quite big though,

1779
01:27:47,572 --> 01:27:50,572
Speaker 2: aren't they, Like they save around three meters.

1780
01:27:52,253 --> 01:27:54,532
Speaker 7: I had a bronze whale I once swim towards me

1781
01:27:55,053 --> 01:27:57,333
Speaker 7: with a fin that looked like it was twenty meters

1782
01:27:57,333 --> 01:28:01,892
Speaker 7: that in the air monsters in my terrified state there

1783
01:28:01,933 --> 01:28:02,612
Speaker 7: was out looks.

1784
01:28:02,812 --> 01:28:03,933
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.

1785
01:28:03,973 --> 01:28:07,492
Speaker 7: It was probably about a meter of fit, you know. Yeah,

1786
01:28:07,532 --> 01:28:10,532
Speaker 7: and she was she must have had pups around that

1787
01:28:10,732 --> 01:28:13,013
Speaker 7: was fishing out the back of Mount Monganoi and the

1788
01:28:13,053 --> 01:28:17,093
Speaker 7: Mount Mongonery harbor. Yeah, and she was not happy with me,

1789
01:28:17,173 --> 01:28:18,612
Speaker 7: and she made it very well known.

1790
01:28:19,053 --> 01:28:20,333
Speaker 2: How did you know? How did you know that this

1791
01:28:20,372 --> 01:28:21,613
Speaker 2: particular bronze wader.

1792
01:28:21,372 --> 01:28:25,692
Speaker 7: Was a she? Because it's mostly the females had gone

1793
01:28:25,692 --> 01:28:28,173
Speaker 7: to the back of Mount Monganuy, so they're going to

1794
01:28:28,333 --> 01:28:34,133
Speaker 7: breathe and they're feeding on the sting rays, right. So yeah,

1795
01:28:34,173 --> 01:28:36,612
Speaker 7: but she was annoyed, obviously, and she let me know

1796
01:28:36,692 --> 01:28:38,492
Speaker 7: that she was annoyed. So it was like a yeah,

1797
01:28:38,612 --> 01:28:40,053
Speaker 7: move on, experience, I'll just move on.

1798
01:28:40,412 --> 01:28:45,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, So how did she how did she? How did

1799
01:28:45,133 --> 01:28:45,932
Speaker 3: you know she was annoyed?

1800
01:28:45,933 --> 01:28:46,612
Speaker 2: What did she actually do?

1801
01:28:47,652 --> 01:28:47,812
Speaker 9: Oh?

1802
01:28:47,893 --> 01:28:50,293
Speaker 3: She charged the kayak ah right, yeah, yeah, that's a

1803
01:28:50,293 --> 01:28:50,892
Speaker 3: telltale sign.

1804
01:28:51,093 --> 01:28:55,853
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1805
01:28:54,293 --> 01:28:56,533
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you call Craig. Yeah, fascinating.

1806
01:28:56,893 --> 01:28:58,812
Speaker 3: I don't know that's making me feel better about sharks

1807
01:28:58,893 --> 01:29:01,012
Speaker 3: or worse. But I mean Craig's not fussed.

1808
01:29:01,853 --> 01:29:04,333
Speaker 2: I just just punch a bronze wailer in the face

1809
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:05,532
Speaker 2: and it all it'll head off.

1810
01:29:05,612 --> 01:29:07,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that I'm

1811
01:29:07,973 --> 01:29:09,452
Speaker 3: going to call? Well, if you can't get through, we've

1812
01:29:09,452 --> 01:29:10,092
Speaker 3: got full boards.

1813
01:29:10,093 --> 01:29:10,692
Speaker 2: But keep trying.

1814
01:29:10,732 --> 01:29:13,532
Speaker 3: Love to hear your shark experiences. It's twenty two past three.

1815
01:29:13,572 --> 01:29:16,732
Speaker 2: Well, here's an interesting shark fact fact. According to Steve,

1816
01:29:16,933 --> 01:29:19,412
Speaker 2: shark will only attack you if you're wet right and

1817
01:29:19,572 --> 01:29:20,093
Speaker 2: stacks up.

1818
01:29:24,452 --> 01:29:27,892
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred and

1819
01:29:27,893 --> 01:29:29,572
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk.

1820
01:29:29,532 --> 01:29:32,372
Speaker 3: Zby afternoon, it's twenty five past three. We've been talking

1821
01:29:32,372 --> 01:29:35,452
Speaker 3: about shark experiences on the back of a marine biologist

1822
01:29:35,812 --> 01:29:38,532
Speaker 3: who was bitten on the face by a shark off

1823
01:29:38,612 --> 01:29:41,532
Speaker 3: the coast coast Costa Rica. But he loves sharks so

1824
01:29:41,612 --> 01:29:43,852
Speaker 3: much he is looking forward to meeting that shark again

1825
01:29:43,893 --> 01:29:44,333
Speaker 3: one day.

1826
01:29:45,173 --> 01:29:47,333
Speaker 2: This Texas says in New Zealand, bull sharks are the

1827
01:29:47,372 --> 01:29:49,732
Speaker 2: ones to look out for, and make sure you check out.

1828
01:29:49,772 --> 01:29:52,692
Speaker 2: The orcas in Wahiki swimming right past two kids in

1829
01:29:52,732 --> 01:29:56,333
Speaker 2: the water while they were hunting stingray and Orca loves

1830
01:29:56,333 --> 01:29:59,133
Speaker 2: the sting ray, isn't it? Certainly does, Sean, Welcome to

1831
01:29:59,133 --> 01:29:59,452
Speaker 2: the show.

1832
01:30:00,372 --> 01:30:01,532
Speaker 21: Yeah, good afternoon, guys.

1833
01:30:01,772 --> 01:30:02,692
Speaker 7: It's nice to talk to you.

1834
01:30:03,213 --> 01:30:05,012
Speaker 2: It's nice to have you talking to us, and thank

1835
01:30:05,013 --> 01:30:06,652
Speaker 2: you so much for ringing. That was a weird sentence,

1836
01:30:06,692 --> 01:30:08,092
Speaker 2: but it's good to talk to you, Sean.

1837
01:30:09,452 --> 01:30:12,652
Speaker 21: I just on that brief the previous guy, Craig, I

1838
01:30:12,973 --> 01:30:15,732
Speaker 21: tend to agree pretty much wholeheartedly with what he's talking about,

1839
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:20,692
Speaker 21: and I'd like to briefly just mentioned something about the

1840
01:30:20,692 --> 01:30:23,452
Speaker 21: young lady that was killed and why.

1841
01:30:23,333 --> 01:30:24,492
Speaker 19: He beat a few years ago.

1842
01:30:24,732 --> 01:30:27,652
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, yeah, and before I carry on though, but

1843
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:34,133
Speaker 21: my deepest condolences to the family, friends, lifeguards, ambulance stuff, whoever.

1844
01:30:33,853 --> 01:30:34,612
Speaker 6: Was involved with that.

1845
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:36,012
Speaker 2: That was horrible.

1846
01:30:36,133 --> 01:30:41,333
Speaker 21: What a hectic time. But yeah, that particular day, like

1847
01:30:41,452 --> 01:30:44,372
Speaker 21: that incident happened in the afternoon, But that particular morning

1848
01:30:45,853 --> 01:30:49,253
Speaker 21: at the bone Down entrance of Darren Harbor, I'd been

1849
01:30:49,293 --> 01:30:53,532
Speaker 21: out just over the bar and I saw four different

1850
01:30:53,572 --> 01:30:59,052
Speaker 21: types of sharks that morning. There was Marco's are white,

1851
01:31:00,013 --> 01:31:05,372
Speaker 21: the bronze whalers and blue sharks that I saw all

1852
01:31:05,412 --> 01:31:06,253
Speaker 21: in the same morning.

1853
01:31:06,412 --> 01:31:09,733
Speaker 2: What's a blue shark familiar with them?

1854
01:31:09,893 --> 01:31:13,892
Speaker 21: They are like, they're like a long, skinny shark with

1855
01:31:13,973 --> 01:31:20,732
Speaker 21: long fins. They're pretty docile, pretty pleasant ocean ocean dwellers.

1856
01:31:21,452 --> 01:31:25,052
Speaker 21: But these sharks are all within a mile or two

1857
01:31:25,372 --> 01:31:26,293
Speaker 21: of the entrance.

1858
01:31:27,053 --> 01:31:29,772
Speaker 2: Is that quite rare to see that variety of shark.

1859
01:31:31,133 --> 01:31:34,252
Speaker 21: It's the first time I've seen that many, that variety

1860
01:31:34,333 --> 01:31:37,892
Speaker 21: of sharks in such a small space of time on

1861
01:31:37,893 --> 01:31:41,412
Speaker 21: one given day. And I'm quite a regular FIS show

1862
01:31:41,452 --> 01:31:42,173
Speaker 21: out of that area.

1863
01:31:42,612 --> 01:31:45,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it was a tragic incident, wasn't it.

1864
01:31:45,253 --> 01:31:47,412
Speaker 3: But but do you do you think that's maybe why

1865
01:31:47,452 --> 01:31:49,293
Speaker 3: the great white was in there, that he may have

1866
01:31:49,333 --> 01:31:51,052
Speaker 3: been following in these smaller sharks.

1867
01:31:51,973 --> 01:31:55,972
Speaker 21: Well, I kind of wanted to let you guys know

1868
01:31:56,013 --> 01:31:58,612
Speaker 21: because you're going to be talking to Riley, I understand. Yeah,

1869
01:31:59,492 --> 01:32:02,692
Speaker 21: And it's not far from his home turf, and I've

1870
01:32:02,732 --> 01:32:06,652
Speaker 21: actually seen him and his crew anchored up in the

1871
01:32:06,652 --> 01:32:11,932
Speaker 21: Bone Town Entrance sharks, so he might be quite familiar

1872
01:32:11,973 --> 01:32:16,013
Speaker 21: with the area, I imagine he is, and he may

1873
01:32:16,053 --> 01:32:19,692
Speaker 21: be able to shed some light on why there was

1874
01:32:19,772 --> 01:32:23,852
Speaker 21: so many sharks in that particular area at that particular time.

1875
01:32:24,093 --> 01:32:26,173
Speaker 2: So you saw, you said, you saw a great a

1876
01:32:26,213 --> 01:32:29,812
Speaker 2: great white shark, that morning. Yeah, I mean, I mean,

1877
01:32:29,853 --> 01:32:32,452
Speaker 2: how many great white sharks would be around that area

1878
01:32:32,572 --> 01:32:34,293
Speaker 2: in any given time, and would you think that was

1879
01:32:34,372 --> 01:32:35,012
Speaker 2: the same shark?

1880
01:32:36,053 --> 01:32:36,253
Speaker 5: Oh?

1881
01:32:36,412 --> 01:32:37,613
Speaker 6: Many many?

1882
01:32:38,412 --> 01:32:42,732
Speaker 21: Yeah right, Yeah, it's a nursery basically a nursery for

1883
01:32:44,253 --> 01:32:48,453
Speaker 21: bronze Whaler's great whites, and I'm not sure about the marcos,

1884
01:32:48,492 --> 01:32:52,293
Speaker 21: but definitely a nursery for great whites.

1885
01:32:52,732 --> 01:32:56,493
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I'm just actually having a look and I

1886
01:32:56,532 --> 01:32:59,532
Speaker 3: remembered Daisy, the great white who was tagged I think

1887
01:32:59,532 --> 01:33:02,213
Speaker 3: about three years ago. But there's a website you can

1888
01:33:02,253 --> 01:33:05,093
Speaker 3: go to Sustainable Oceansociety dot co dot nzid. They've got

1889
01:33:05,133 --> 01:33:07,333
Speaker 3: an app and for the great whites they've tagged, you

1890
01:33:07,372 --> 01:33:11,012
Speaker 3: can see roughly where about where they are around the country.

1891
01:33:11,093 --> 01:33:13,492
Speaker 3: So at the moment, if I just zoom in on

1892
01:33:13,572 --> 01:33:17,333
Speaker 3: why he there is a great white? I think the

1893
01:33:17,412 --> 01:33:19,372
Speaker 3: last time it was checked was just off the coast

1894
01:33:19,372 --> 01:33:22,812
Speaker 3: of way. He his name's Tuckami. But it's a great app,

1895
01:33:22,893 --> 01:33:25,293
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's fascinating to see where they are

1896
01:33:25,333 --> 01:33:28,212
Speaker 3: traveling to and sometimes they go, you know, quite some distances.

1897
01:33:29,133 --> 01:33:34,293
Speaker 21: Yeah, I believe that's Riley's app or Riley's information that

1898
01:33:34,293 --> 01:33:35,893
Speaker 21: that's supplied to that app.

1899
01:33:35,692 --> 01:33:39,173
Speaker 3: I think you're right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just

1900
01:33:39,213 --> 01:33:40,933
Speaker 3: thought I just thought maybe you could mention it to

1901
01:33:41,013 --> 01:33:42,933
Speaker 3: Riley when you speak to him and see if he

1902
01:33:42,973 --> 01:33:45,013
Speaker 3: has any any thoughts on that.

1903
01:33:45,452 --> 01:33:48,372
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yea, we will. Sean, thank you, thank you for

1904
01:33:48,452 --> 01:33:51,093
Speaker 2: your call. Yeah, that was tragic, that nineteen year old. Yeah,

1905
01:33:51,213 --> 01:33:53,412
Speaker 2: that was a that was a horrible story. Yeah, I mean,

1906
01:33:53,452 --> 01:33:55,492
Speaker 2: and the chances are so small when you look at

1907
01:33:55,492 --> 01:33:57,692
Speaker 2: the numbers around of the world and for one to

1908
01:33:57,692 --> 01:34:01,412
Speaker 2: happen in New Zealand like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

1909
01:34:01,492 --> 01:34:03,612
Speaker 3: Right, We've got the headlines coming up, and then as

1910
01:34:03,612 --> 01:34:05,293
Speaker 3: Sean mentioned, we are going to have a chat to

1911
01:34:05,452 --> 01:34:07,692
Speaker 3: Dr Riley Elliott. No one is shark man. He's got

1912
01:34:07,692 --> 01:34:10,492
Speaker 3: a wealth of experienience when it comes to sharks. So

1913
01:34:10,532 --> 01:34:12,692
Speaker 3: we'll have a chet to him in a couple of minutes.

1914
01:34:12,732 --> 01:34:14,173
Speaker 3: And we are taking more of your calls on oh,

1915
01:34:14,213 --> 01:34:17,172
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. It is up pass three.

1916
01:34:19,572 --> 01:34:20,173
Speaker 2: Youth talks.

1917
01:34:20,213 --> 01:34:23,852
Speaker 16: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

1918
01:34:23,933 --> 01:34:27,013
Speaker 16: with a blue bubble. The government's introduced a bill to

1919
01:34:27,173 --> 01:34:32,013
Speaker 16: change road tolling that includes permitting tolls on stretchers benefiting

1920
01:34:32,053 --> 01:34:35,173
Speaker 16: a new project on the same road. It also lets

1921
01:34:35,213 --> 01:34:39,452
Speaker 16: revenue fund alternative road maintenance and links prices to inflation.

1922
01:34:40,492 --> 01:34:43,413
Speaker 16: A bill to end the record long US government shutdown

1923
01:34:43,732 --> 01:34:46,973
Speaker 16: has passed its last vote and now needs the President's

1924
01:34:47,013 --> 01:34:51,213
Speaker 16: sign off. The Health Minister's expressed disgust for a Hawks

1925
01:34:51,253 --> 01:34:54,852
Speaker 16: Bay hospital worker today sentenced to three months home detention

1926
01:34:55,293 --> 01:34:58,812
Speaker 16: for taking a cake containing cannabis oil to a staff lunch.

1927
01:34:59,812 --> 01:35:03,172
Speaker 16: Rain continues to dampen the nearly three thousand hectares burnt

1928
01:35:03,173 --> 01:35:06,812
Speaker 16: out in toyurid Or National Park, with aerial and ground

1929
01:35:06,853 --> 01:35:12,213
Speaker 16: surveys yesterday fighting no new fire activity. North Canterbury's historic

1930
01:35:12,293 --> 01:35:15,973
Speaker 16: at Anui Hotel is reopening doors after a new operator

1931
01:35:16,013 --> 01:35:18,452
Speaker 16: this month or under a new operator this month. It's

1932
01:35:18,492 --> 01:35:22,093
Speaker 16: been closed for more than a year. And a dramatic

1933
01:35:22,173 --> 01:35:26,773
Speaker 16: helicopter rescue on the Coromandel Peninsula today after a bystander

1934
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Speaker 16: photographing the rescue of two people at a Pitty Tower

1935
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Speaker 16: blowhole also fell into rough sea. All three had to

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Speaker 16: be winched to safety. Redundancy can be painful both financially

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01:35:39,372 --> 01:35:43,653
Speaker 16: and emotionally while being coached. Nicki Sylvester shares five practical

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Speaker 16: ways to Rebuild.

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Speaker 3: You can read more.

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Speaker 2: At ins at Herald Premium.

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Speaker 16: Back now to matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: So that story in the news about the taking a

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Speaker 2: weed cake to a staff function. Yes, I was talking

1944
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Speaker 2: to a nurse the other day that I met, and

1945
01:35:58,053 --> 01:36:03,692
Speaker 2: she was saying that her teenage son had a had

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Speaker 2: a systeamer lunchbox full of brownies with his name on

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Speaker 2: an app'osolutely for no one else. And she, I guess,

1948
01:36:12,053 --> 01:36:13,972
Speaker 2: maybe being a little bit naive about these things, thought,

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Speaker 2: how dear my teenage son just make brownies for himself

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Speaker 2: and not share them with everyone else. It's fair for

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Speaker 2: a mom to think. And she was about to go

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Speaker 2: to work and she thought, you know what, I'll have

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Speaker 2: a couple of these brownies before I go in and

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Speaker 2: do my shift. And she opened them up and she

1955
01:36:28,372 --> 01:36:32,372
Speaker 2: was about to slam these quite clearly weed brownies when

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01:36:32,412 --> 01:36:37,093
Speaker 2: her son came running out. He don't touch thos, so

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01:36:37,093 --> 01:36:38,452
Speaker 2: it can happen. It can happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, easy mistake. And who doesn't like brownie? You just

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01:36:41,412 --> 01:36:42,572
Speaker 3: gotta figure out what's on them.

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Speaker 2: Meased doing this job, you accidentally ate your teenage son's

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Speaker 2: weed brownies and tried to do a news talk zb

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Speaker 2: radio show show. That'd be difficult.

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01:36:51,253 --> 01:36:54,012
Speaker 3: It would be an experience, that's for sure. Right, we

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Speaker 3: are getting back to our discussion about sharks and doctor

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Speaker 3: Riley Elliott. He is a marine biologist and presenter on

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01:36:58,893 --> 01:37:01,572
Speaker 3: Discovery Channel Shark Week No One Has Shark Man. He

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01:37:01,652 --> 01:37:04,213
Speaker 3: spent a career studying sharks and has long been an

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01:37:04,293 --> 01:37:07,852
Speaker 3: advocate for the misunderstood apex predator of the sea, and

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Speaker 3: he joined us on the line.

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Speaker 2: Now, Riley, how are you good? Afternoon?

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Speaker 22: Good afternoon, guys, how are we going?

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01:37:14,293 --> 01:37:16,652
Speaker 2: Very good? Thanks for talking to us. Now, Riley, should

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01:37:16,692 --> 01:37:19,572
Speaker 2: sharks be more scared of humans or humans scared of sharks?

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01:37:21,213 --> 01:37:22,932
Speaker 22: I think if you went with simple maths and look

1975
01:37:22,973 --> 01:37:26,532
Speaker 22: at the statistics of who kills who the most, you know,

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01:37:26,652 --> 01:37:29,612
Speaker 22: humans kill one hundred million sharks a year and sharks,

1977
01:37:29,652 --> 01:37:32,293
Speaker 22: you know, tragically kill about six to ten people a year.

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01:37:32,412 --> 01:37:35,333
Speaker 22: So I think the sharks should definitely be more afraid

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01:37:35,412 --> 01:37:37,492
Speaker 22: of us, and in the commercial fishing fleets that do

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Speaker 22: most of that damage.

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Speaker 2: Do you why do you think we spend so much

1982
01:37:41,412 --> 01:37:44,892
Speaker 2: time fearful of sharks? Is Is it just because of

1983
01:37:44,893 --> 01:37:47,572
Speaker 2: that movie that came out in the seventies Jaws, because

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01:37:47,812 --> 01:37:51,652
Speaker 2: with the limited amount of attacks and the limited amount

1985
01:37:51,692 --> 01:37:54,652
Speaker 2: of deaths, even though there's some terrible tragic ones that

1986
01:37:54,652 --> 01:37:56,333
Speaker 2: absolutely happened, and of course there was that one in

1987
01:37:56,372 --> 01:37:59,732
Speaker 2: New Zealand and twenty two and why he But do

1988
01:38:00,053 --> 01:38:04,532
Speaker 2: you think it has been sensellate? It's sense likely, sensationalism.

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Speaker 2: Sensationalized Is that a word?

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Speaker 22: Sen It's look that the movie Jaws obviously had a

1991
01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:17,572
Speaker 22: huge part to play in it. But I think it's

1992
01:38:17,652 --> 01:38:20,652
Speaker 22: it's just the Boogieyman factor. And I did a corporate

1993
01:38:20,692 --> 01:38:23,492
Speaker 22: speaking event the other day about this, and it's it's

1994
01:38:23,572 --> 01:38:27,213
Speaker 22: very mirroring the Boogieyman factor to the Jaws factor, because

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01:38:27,772 --> 01:38:30,012
Speaker 22: we all know what the Boogeyman is, but you don't

1996
01:38:30,053 --> 01:38:31,812
Speaker 22: probably actually know what it is at all.

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Speaker 14: I had to google it.

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Speaker 22: It's like a sixth sixteenth century monster they created to

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01:38:36,772 --> 01:38:37,852
Speaker 22: make kids sleep, and they.

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Speaker 11: Say that they didn't sleep.

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01:38:39,093 --> 01:38:39,972
Speaker 2: It would crawl out of.

2002
01:38:39,893 --> 01:38:41,932
Speaker 22: The under the bed and grab them, and it's just

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01:38:41,973 --> 01:38:44,812
Speaker 22: like a terrifying thing. And it's the fact that it's

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01:38:44,933 --> 01:38:48,932
Speaker 22: under somewhere where you can't see that is terrifying. And

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01:38:49,173 --> 01:38:51,372
Speaker 22: I think that's the same thing with a shark like,

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01:38:51,812 --> 01:38:54,932
Speaker 22: if we go walk into the savannahs well number one,

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01:38:54,933 --> 01:38:56,692
Speaker 22: you're expecting to see a line number two. If it

2008
01:38:56,772 --> 01:38:58,253
Speaker 22: nails you, you probably be.

2009
01:38:58,253 --> 01:38:59,812
Speaker 5: Like, well, I asked for it.

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Speaker 22: Whereas we go float on the ocean and we see

2011
01:39:03,013 --> 01:39:06,053
Speaker 22: it as like a recreation area. Even though it's the

2012
01:39:06,173 --> 01:39:09,333
Speaker 22: absolute wild and there is this animal that lurks beneath you,

2013
01:39:09,412 --> 01:39:11,412
Speaker 22: you don't see it. So I think I think there's

2014
01:39:11,412 --> 01:39:15,772
Speaker 22: an element of just that boogie man factor. But also,

2015
01:39:15,812 --> 01:39:17,572
Speaker 22: to be honest, it's probably one of the worst ways

2016
01:39:17,612 --> 01:39:20,612
Speaker 22: you could go is being you know, taken by yes,

2017
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Speaker 22: a monster.

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Speaker 5: You know.

2019
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Speaker 22: So it's obviously not statistically justified the amount we fear them,

2020
01:39:27,692 --> 01:39:30,412
Speaker 22: because like everything you stee around you kills more people

2021
01:39:30,412 --> 01:39:35,532
Speaker 22: than sharks, like pencils or bees or whatever. But at

2022
01:39:35,532 --> 01:39:37,732
Speaker 22: the end of the day, we're terrified of them. And

2023
01:39:37,973 --> 01:39:40,692
Speaker 22: you know, it's changed a lot through people getting exposed

2024
01:39:40,732 --> 01:39:43,572
Speaker 22: information sharks themselves and learning more about them.

2025
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Speaker 2: I was really skeared of sharks, and you know, even

2026
01:39:46,612 --> 01:39:48,213
Speaker 2: to the point where I sometimes think about them. When

2027
01:39:48,213 --> 01:39:50,492
Speaker 2: I was swimming in a pool in Central Aukland, but

2028
01:39:51,853 --> 01:39:55,572
Speaker 2: I went swimming with some sharks and a weird thing

2029
01:39:55,612 --> 01:39:57,732
Speaker 2: happens and tell me if this has happened to you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got you You've had so much experience

2031
01:39:59,572 --> 01:40:02,052
Speaker 2: with sharks, but there comes a point where they stop

2032
01:40:02,093 --> 01:40:05,293
Speaker 2: being monsters and they sort of just become big fish

2033
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Speaker 2: when you're looking at them.

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01:40:07,532 --> 01:40:09,572
Speaker 22: Oh a kind of I mean on my license plate,

2035
01:40:09,612 --> 01:40:13,412
Speaker 22: it's like Sharkman, but below fear to fascination. It literally

2036
01:40:13,532 --> 01:40:15,492
Speaker 22: happens like that I click of the finger and I

2037
01:40:15,532 --> 01:40:17,293
Speaker 22: used to do a lot of shark eer tourism. It's

2038
01:40:17,333 --> 01:40:21,812
Speaker 22: how I transition to so to speak. And as soon

2039
01:40:21,812 --> 01:40:23,412
Speaker 22: as you get eyes on them and you're in their

2040
01:40:23,412 --> 01:40:26,533
Speaker 22: domain with a mask on, you know, in good clarity

2041
01:40:26,572 --> 01:40:28,732
Speaker 22: water that the fear isn't there, and you realize they

2042
01:40:28,732 --> 01:40:29,692
Speaker 22: don't actually care.

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01:40:29,572 --> 01:40:30,213
Speaker 14: About you at all.

2044
01:40:30,772 --> 01:40:31,772
Speaker 21: They're being on with their.

2045
01:40:31,772 --> 01:40:33,892
Speaker 22: Day and you actually just start enjoying it. And like

2046
01:40:33,973 --> 01:40:36,132
Speaker 22: you say, they just become these big, beautiful fish.

2047
01:40:35,933 --> 01:40:36,612
Speaker 5: And you want more.

2048
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Speaker 22: And I mean that's really what drove me on my trajectory.

2049
01:40:39,572 --> 01:40:42,052
Speaker 22: There's there's a much different feeling though, when you're floating

2050
01:40:42,053 --> 01:40:44,452
Speaker 22: on a surfboard and bad visibility at dusk, you're dawn,

2051
01:40:44,532 --> 01:40:47,293
Speaker 22: which is what we all do as surfers, and to

2052
01:40:47,412 --> 01:40:50,652
Speaker 22: be you know, brutally honest. I'm I'm definitely afraid of

2053
01:40:50,652 --> 01:40:53,532
Speaker 22: sharks when I surf, like you should be because you're

2054
01:40:53,572 --> 01:40:56,532
Speaker 22: not playing by the rules. It's like, like I said before,

2055
01:40:56,532 --> 01:41:03,253
Speaker 22: it's like playing tennis and the savannahs, but you're blindfolded. Now, Yeah,

2056
01:41:03,253 --> 01:41:05,412
Speaker 22: well it's it's just but it's the risks you're willing

2057
01:41:05,452 --> 01:41:07,852
Speaker 22: to take to do what you do. You know, mountaineers, skiers,

2058
01:41:07,893 --> 01:41:10,692
Speaker 22: they take on avalanches. It's terrifying to me, but you know,

2059
01:41:10,772 --> 01:41:13,133
Speaker 22: they do their research, they figure out what the season is,

2060
01:41:13,173 --> 01:41:16,692
Speaker 22: where to go, they've got mitigating measures, and we do

2061
01:41:16,692 --> 01:41:17,652
Speaker 22: do that a surface too.

2062
01:41:17,772 --> 01:41:19,253
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, I.

2063
01:41:19,253 --> 01:41:21,772
Speaker 22: Think if you go play in a wild animal's environment,

2064
01:41:21,893 --> 01:41:24,213
Speaker 22: you know you generally got to take on some risk

2065
01:41:24,333 --> 01:41:24,572
Speaker 22: with it.

2066
01:41:24,772 --> 01:41:26,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, how smart aren't sharks?

2067
01:41:26,412 --> 01:41:28,652
Speaker 3: Are they a steep above regular fish and maybe a

2068
01:41:28,692 --> 01:41:30,372
Speaker 3: step below auca and dolphin?

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Speaker 22: Ah, Like, I'm almost insulted with how I've done that

2070
01:41:35,412 --> 01:41:38,652
Speaker 22: because it's let me put it this way, they're the

2071
01:41:38,812 --> 01:41:42,372
Speaker 22: longest existing animal on Earth, so they've been around before trees,

2072
01:41:42,532 --> 01:41:45,652
Speaker 22: before any other animal, so they have four hundred million

2073
01:41:45,732 --> 01:41:49,093
Speaker 22: years of instinct built into them. They're born you know,

2074
01:41:49,372 --> 01:41:51,412
Speaker 22: most of them like a great white's born at one

2075
01:41:51,412 --> 01:41:54,572
Speaker 22: point five meters dumped by its mum. She leaves no

2076
01:41:54,732 --> 01:41:57,732
Speaker 22: print or guidance. Yet that thing can navigate around an

2077
01:41:57,933 --> 01:42:01,173
Speaker 22: entire ocean, get to some places at the right season

2078
01:42:01,293 --> 01:42:04,173
Speaker 22: for food, migrate to another for another point, find its

2079
01:42:04,293 --> 01:42:07,293
Speaker 22: mates to mate in a season. You know that no

2080
01:42:07,452 --> 01:42:09,972
Speaker 22: one teaches them, and they somehow can do it magically.

2081
01:42:10,053 --> 01:42:12,532
Speaker 22: And you know, they do have senses. I think that

2082
01:42:12,612 --> 01:42:16,532
Speaker 22: are more mechanistic, you know, like like more like a

2083
01:42:17,133 --> 01:42:19,532
Speaker 22: you know, robotic in the sense that they're that refined.

2084
01:42:19,572 --> 01:42:21,452
Speaker 5: They don't almost waste time on emotion.

2085
01:42:22,093 --> 01:42:24,452
Speaker 22: They're just they're just getting on with their job. And

2086
01:42:24,612 --> 01:42:26,412
Speaker 22: so I think there's a big difference between like an

2087
01:42:26,532 --> 01:42:29,692
Speaker 22: orca dolphin mentality and a shark. And I think, to

2088
01:42:29,812 --> 01:42:32,812
Speaker 22: be honest, that's why I feel far more comfortable swimming

2089
01:42:32,853 --> 01:42:34,892
Speaker 22: with a shark than an orca, because an orca might

2090
01:42:34,973 --> 01:42:36,612
Speaker 22: just wake up and be pissed off that day and

2091
01:42:36,692 --> 01:42:40,293
Speaker 22: have an emotional flare out of it, you know, versus

2092
01:42:40,452 --> 01:42:42,772
Speaker 22: a shark, which can be quite predictable if you understand

2093
01:42:42,812 --> 01:42:43,412
Speaker 22: what you're looking for.

2094
01:42:44,293 --> 01:42:46,692
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that that kind of that kind of makes sense.

2095
01:42:46,732 --> 01:42:49,293
Speaker 2: The predictability is the same thing with people that deal

2096
01:42:49,372 --> 01:42:55,333
Speaker 2: with you know, crocs and such. So can you fight

2097
01:42:55,412 --> 01:42:56,333
Speaker 2: off a shark?

2098
01:42:58,213 --> 01:43:01,053
Speaker 22: Well, funny you say that because a kite surfer and

2099
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:04,452
Speaker 22: Margaret River in Western Australia just got smoked by a

2100
01:43:04,532 --> 01:43:07,692
Speaker 22: great white when he was kite surfing and he landed

2101
01:43:07,732 --> 01:43:10,253
Speaker 22: on it after adjected him out of the air, and

2102
01:43:10,893 --> 01:43:12,973
Speaker 22: he started bashing it with his hands and you can

2103
01:43:13,053 --> 01:43:15,213
Speaker 22: imagine the shark it thought that this was like a

2104
01:43:15,253 --> 01:43:17,973
Speaker 22: fish skimming on the surface and whack number one to

2105
01:43:18,013 --> 01:43:19,253
Speaker 22: get a home bunch of five glass in his mouth

2106
01:43:19,293 --> 01:43:21,732
Speaker 22: number two. So that's getting feed into to all hell

2107
01:43:21,812 --> 01:43:23,692
Speaker 22: on its head and so it's out of there. Because

2108
01:43:23,732 --> 01:43:26,932
Speaker 22: sharks aren't stupid, they don't take on foreign situations. They've

2109
01:43:26,973 --> 01:43:31,213
Speaker 22: evolved to hunt very specific prey and so if all

2110
01:43:31,253 --> 01:43:33,333
Speaker 22: of a sudden the shark realizes, oh my goodness, that's

2111
01:43:33,333 --> 01:43:36,452
Speaker 22: not what I thought it was. You know, ninety eight

2112
01:43:36,492 --> 01:43:39,253
Speaker 22: percent of great white attacks on people, the shark never

2113
01:43:39,333 --> 01:43:43,572
Speaker 22: comes back, unfortunately. Now it's about getting you know, medical

2114
01:43:43,612 --> 01:43:46,933
Speaker 22: assistance asap because they've got very sharp teeth and we

2115
01:43:47,053 --> 01:43:52,052
Speaker 22: usually bleed out unfortunately. But you know, sharks don't eat people,

2116
01:43:52,133 --> 01:43:57,133
Speaker 22: they don't hunt people. They make mistakes sometimes, but you

2117
01:43:57,213 --> 01:43:59,372
Speaker 22: know people are, oh whatever, you surely they eat people.

2118
01:43:59,412 --> 01:44:01,933
Speaker 22: But it's like we can all accept the shark is

2119
01:44:02,133 --> 01:44:05,132
Speaker 22: very good at what it does. It's a very capable predator,

2120
01:44:05,253 --> 01:44:08,293
Speaker 22: and we suck in the ocean camp to everything else.

2121
01:44:08,732 --> 01:44:11,812
Speaker 22: So if they wanted to hunt us, they'd be eating

2122
01:44:11,893 --> 01:44:14,133
Speaker 22: us every single day because we're pretty easy to gat Yeah.

2123
01:44:14,652 --> 01:44:17,612
Speaker 2: How you speaking of catching, how how do you actually

2124
01:44:17,652 --> 01:44:21,092
Speaker 2: go about tagging a great white shark? What's the process

2125
01:44:21,253 --> 01:44:21,452
Speaker 2: of that?

2126
01:44:22,532 --> 01:44:25,532
Speaker 22: So we just tagged fifteen down at Stuart Island this

2127
01:44:25,692 --> 01:44:29,372
Speaker 22: last summer, and what we use is basically a spear

2128
01:44:29,452 --> 01:44:32,932
Speaker 22: gun that's customized, you know, to the right power. It's

2129
01:44:32,973 --> 01:44:34,372
Speaker 22: got like a tip on the end of it that

2130
01:44:34,492 --> 01:44:36,932
Speaker 22: inserts a dart, so it's kind of piercing the ear

2131
01:44:37,013 --> 01:44:38,372
Speaker 22: of the shark, but it's at the base of the

2132
01:44:38,452 --> 01:44:41,173
Speaker 22: dorsal fin. And then a little string holds onto a

2133
01:44:41,253 --> 01:44:43,893
Speaker 22: tag that floats, and when the shark comes up to

2134
01:44:43,933 --> 01:44:48,053
Speaker 22: the surface, the tag connects with a satellite into my

2135
01:44:48,133 --> 01:44:49,452
Speaker 22: computer and tells us where.

2136
01:44:49,293 --> 01:44:49,812
Speaker 14: The sharks are.

2137
01:44:49,973 --> 01:44:51,972
Speaker 5: So you basically lure the shark.

2138
01:44:52,173 --> 01:44:55,372
Speaker 22: We got to where the sharks naturally aggregate, and then

2139
01:44:55,412 --> 01:44:57,333
Speaker 22: you lure the sharks along the side of the boat

2140
01:44:57,532 --> 01:44:59,893
Speaker 22: and you take a very specific spear gun shot to

2141
01:45:00,053 --> 01:45:03,293
Speaker 22: launch the data and under the skin and the shark

2142
01:45:03,372 --> 01:45:04,732
Speaker 22: kind of goes what was that like when you get

2143
01:45:04,812 --> 01:45:07,772
Speaker 22: ear pierced and it starts circling around doing its normal thing.

2144
01:45:07,933 --> 01:45:10,173
Speaker 22: And and we're able to track them anywhere in the world,

2145
01:45:10,253 --> 01:45:13,093
Speaker 22: and you know you can you can download literally the

2146
01:45:13,173 --> 01:45:15,732
Speaker 22: Great White app and you can see where the fifteen

2147
01:45:15,732 --> 01:45:16,652
Speaker 22: sharks are right.

2148
01:45:16,572 --> 01:45:19,973
Speaker 14: Now and we're going to take this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 5: So people can sponsor tags.

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01:45:24,572 --> 01:45:26,253
Speaker 14: You know, you sponsor a tag, you name your shark,

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01:45:26,293 --> 01:45:27,092
Speaker 14: you can see anywhere.

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01:45:27,372 --> 01:45:27,893
Speaker 7: How do you do that?

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01:45:29,732 --> 01:45:34,013
Speaker 22: You can go to the Sustainable Ocean Society website and

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01:45:34,692 --> 01:45:36,013
Speaker 22: there's a lot of information on there.

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01:45:36,213 --> 01:45:36,692
Speaker 5: Just look up my.

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01:45:36,772 --> 01:45:38,612
Speaker 22: Profiles on my social media's and there's a lot of

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01:45:38,692 --> 01:45:42,412
Speaker 22: information I've been posting recently about offering sponsorship. People can,

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01:45:42,973 --> 01:45:45,532
Speaker 22: like I say, sponsor tag. It's about four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 22: They're very expensive, but there's scientific equipment and you name

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01:45:50,093 --> 01:45:52,692
Speaker 22: your shark and then you and the public can see

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01:45:52,812 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 22: where these sharks go for you know, a year or more.

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01:45:55,492 --> 01:45:57,612
Speaker 2: That's cool because you'd be like, hey, do you want

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01:45:57,612 --> 01:45:59,253
Speaker 2: to see my shark here, this is where it is.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, it is fascinating.

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01:46:02,732 --> 01:46:04,612
Speaker 22: They go, you know, as far as a couple are

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01:46:04,692 --> 01:46:06,852
Speaker 22: up in Tonga, a couple are off Sydney right now,

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01:46:06,973 --> 01:46:10,372
Speaker 22: up in the Great Brier Reef, New Caledonia. One was

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01:46:10,412 --> 01:46:12,772
Speaker 22: down by Nelson, one was down to Stuart Island, so

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Speaker 22: that they did around.

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01:46:13,853 --> 01:46:14,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got a favorite.

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01:46:15,572 --> 01:46:17,572
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at We've got Happy and Bubbles, who

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01:46:17,612 --> 01:46:21,173
Speaker 3: was kind of circling around Australia. Shingo was up Neartonga,

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Speaker 3: which is really nice.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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01:46:23,652 --> 01:46:26,852
Speaker 22: Well, I mean I found that one fascinating because it's

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01:46:27,013 --> 01:46:29,293
Speaker 22: right in the Vivoo Island group and some of my

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01:46:29,372 --> 01:46:31,333
Speaker 22: friends who do whale watching that there actually saw it,

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01:46:32,372 --> 01:46:34,893
Speaker 22: which is pretty incredible because not many people realize that

2180
01:46:35,053 --> 01:46:37,093
Speaker 22: these sharks go up to the tropics in our winter.

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01:46:38,053 --> 01:46:39,812
Speaker 22: Like I said, they're not stupid. They got there for

2182
01:46:39,893 --> 01:46:44,093
Speaker 22: thermo benefits and to follow the whale migrations. So yeah,

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01:46:44,133 --> 01:46:46,812
Speaker 22: Shingo was really cool. But I've always liked Bubbles because

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01:46:47,133 --> 01:46:49,652
Speaker 22: I just love it when people name them not jaws

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01:46:49,933 --> 01:46:52,692
Speaker 22: or not something terrifying, and it's like it takes off

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01:46:52,772 --> 01:46:56,732
Speaker 22: that first, you know, layer of fear and then people

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01:46:56,812 --> 01:46:58,452
Speaker 22: go oh, okay, I'll sear what bubbles does.

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01:46:58,652 --> 01:47:01,812
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah breaks down a lot of that fear.

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01:47:02,372 --> 01:47:02,652
Speaker 2: Riley.

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01:47:02,692 --> 01:47:04,372
Speaker 3: It's been really great to chat with you. Thank you

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01:47:04,532 --> 01:47:07,452
Speaker 3: very much for coming on and giving us for your expertise,

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01:47:07,532 --> 01:47:08,892
Speaker 3: and hopefully we'll keetch up again soon.

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01:47:09,933 --> 01:47:10,692
Speaker 20: No, I appreciate it.

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01:47:10,732 --> 01:47:13,213
Speaker 22: If you want to sponsor shark look up my social

2195
01:47:13,253 --> 01:47:16,613
Speaker 22: media so go. That's a stain the Ocean Society website.

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01:47:16,692 --> 01:47:17,973
Speaker 22: So thank you very much for having me. Guys have

2197
01:47:18,013 --> 01:47:18,572
Speaker 22: a great afternoon.

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01:47:18,652 --> 01:47:20,652
Speaker 3: Yeah you too, and that's great. We'll put that information

2199
01:47:20,772 --> 01:47:23,652
Speaker 3: up on our website as well. That is doctor Riley Elliott.

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01:47:23,893 --> 01:47:26,333
Speaker 3: No one as sharkman Beck in the moment is qulled

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01:47:26,372 --> 01:47:28,093
Speaker 3: it to four have a.

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01:47:28,133 --> 01:47:30,852
Speaker 1: Chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:47:31,133 --> 01:47:34,252
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tayler Adams afternoons us talk.

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01:47:34,093 --> 01:47:37,012
Speaker 3: Sa'd be having a great chat about sharks and plenty

2205
01:47:37,053 --> 01:47:38,572
Speaker 3: of ticks coming through a nine two nine two.

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01:47:38,812 --> 01:47:40,452
Speaker 2: How cool is that site where you can track the

2207
01:47:40,612 --> 01:47:43,053
Speaker 2: great white So good? What a great man, Doctor Riley

2208
01:47:43,093 --> 01:47:44,333
Speaker 2: Ellen is Zelana.

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01:47:44,372 --> 01:47:45,772
Speaker 3: If you want to go check it out, just go

2210
01:47:45,893 --> 01:47:49,213
Speaker 3: do Sustainable Ocean Society and dot co dot ins it

2211
01:47:49,333 --> 01:47:51,612
Speaker 3: and I think you can yeah. So it's called the

2212
01:47:51,652 --> 01:47:53,412
Speaker 3: Great White app and you can get it on the

2213
01:47:53,532 --> 01:47:55,772
Speaker 3: App Store and Google Play as well. How cool, The

2214
01:47:55,853 --> 01:47:59,293
Speaker 3: sixer says, guys, you should take a look at a

2215
01:47:59,652 --> 01:48:02,132
Speaker 3: channel on YouTube. There is a channel called the Malibu

2216
01:48:02,293 --> 01:48:06,572
Speaker 3: Artist doing amazing drone photography slash video photography footage of

2217
01:48:06,652 --> 01:48:10,652
Speaker 3: southern Californian great white highlighting how much they do not

2218
01:48:10,772 --> 01:48:11,572
Speaker 3: want to eat humans.

2219
01:48:12,372 --> 01:48:13,692
Speaker 2: That is awesome. I'll check that out.

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01:48:14,612 --> 01:48:16,612
Speaker 3: This is a good text here. Gooday, guys.

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01:48:18,253 --> 01:48:20,412
Speaker 2: Oh geez, I just lost it. We had a thousand

2222
01:48:20,452 --> 01:48:21,532
Speaker 2: ticks just blast through.

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01:48:21,612 --> 01:48:22,053
Speaker 17: Here it is.

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01:48:22,253 --> 01:48:25,052
Speaker 3: We had our two kids, age around fifteen, one rather

2225
01:48:25,372 --> 01:48:28,812
Speaker 3: large shark, one mother sorry that one of the kids

2226
01:48:28,933 --> 01:48:32,652
Speaker 3: was hanging its feet outside a donut behind our boat

2227
01:48:32,893 --> 01:48:35,652
Speaker 3: around carpety and flying along until he heard a weird,

2228
01:48:35,732 --> 01:48:38,812
Speaker 3: high pitched noise, then saw a huge fin about ten

2229
01:48:38,933 --> 01:48:41,093
Speaker 3: meters off. So we quickly turned the boat off and

2230
01:48:41,173 --> 01:48:43,532
Speaker 3: slowly reeled on the donut, trying not to panic and

2231
01:48:43,652 --> 01:48:45,692
Speaker 3: thank goodness for the kids in the back of the

2232
01:48:45,732 --> 01:48:48,093
Speaker 3: boat without them. No, I never saw it again, but

2233
01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:48,852
Speaker 3: freaked us out.

2234
01:48:49,933 --> 01:48:51,692
Speaker 2: Hey. We had a call from Saun I believe it

2235
01:48:51,812 --> 01:48:55,253
Speaker 2: was before and he was saying that on the day

2236
01:48:55,293 --> 01:48:58,412
Speaker 2: of that terrible attack in way he I think was

2237
01:48:58,452 --> 01:49:01,812
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two with that young lady lost your life.

2238
01:49:02,853 --> 01:49:05,572
Speaker 2: He said that he saw a bunch of sharks, different

2239
01:49:05,612 --> 01:49:08,253
Speaker 2: types of species out there, four species, and he was

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01:49:08,412 --> 01:49:11,692
Speaker 2: asking us to ask doctor Riley Elliott if he knew

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01:49:11,692 --> 01:49:15,892
Speaker 2: anything about that, and we just asked Dr Elliott off

2242
01:49:15,933 --> 01:49:17,333
Speaker 2: here and he said he doesn't think that there was

2243
01:49:17,492 --> 01:49:19,372
Speaker 2: there was a factor on that day, the number of

2244
01:49:19,452 --> 01:49:21,532
Speaker 2: species that were in there, or you know, it was

2245
01:49:21,652 --> 01:49:24,492
Speaker 2: just a very unfortunate thing that happened. Yeah, good to

2246
01:49:24,492 --> 01:49:25,333
Speaker 2: get an answer on that.

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01:49:25,893 --> 01:49:28,173
Speaker 3: And just speaking of Dr Riley as well, if you

2248
01:49:28,333 --> 01:49:31,532
Speaker 3: do want to sponsor a shark, you can email him

2249
01:49:31,572 --> 01:49:34,452
Speaker 3: to direct It's just n zed Sharkman at gmail dot

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01:49:34,532 --> 01:49:37,093
Speaker 3: com or go to that Sustainable Ocean Soociety dot co

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01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:40,892
Speaker 3: dot NZ websites. All right, taking a few more calls

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01:49:40,933 --> 01:49:43,732
Speaker 3: on shark experiences, Mario, Welcome to the show.

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01:49:44,812 --> 01:49:46,692
Speaker 20: Yeah, hi guys, how are things good?

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01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:47,932
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling?

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01:49:48,013 --> 01:49:49,572
Speaker 7: Yeah? Good, yeah good.

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01:49:50,652 --> 01:49:54,812
Speaker 20: Yeah, from what I've what I can understand over many years, apparently,

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01:49:55,013 --> 01:49:57,772
Speaker 20: and I hope you agree that a shark can smell

2258
01:49:57,853 --> 01:50:00,893
Speaker 20: blood like a I no speaker, blood from maybe a

2259
01:50:00,973 --> 01:50:01,452
Speaker 20: mile away?

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01:50:01,532 --> 01:50:01,652
Speaker 15: Is it?

2261
01:50:01,893 --> 01:50:02,772
Speaker 7: Have you heard that before?

2262
01:50:02,933 --> 01:50:05,053
Speaker 2: I've heard, Yeah, it's about I think it's around a

2263
01:50:05,133 --> 01:50:07,253
Speaker 2: kilometer away, isn't it that they can they?

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01:50:07,853 --> 01:50:07,933
Speaker 9: Ye?

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01:50:08,973 --> 01:50:10,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

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01:50:11,732 --> 01:50:12,532
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this is.

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01:50:14,412 --> 01:50:16,892
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how do they do that? The ability to.

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01:50:16,933 --> 01:50:20,732
Speaker 20: Chew, well, you know, it's absolutely amazing, and I think

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01:50:20,853 --> 01:50:23,612
Speaker 20: I think it's an insult to the animal kingdom if

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01:50:23,652 --> 01:50:27,452
Speaker 20: we think that they are lesser than us. I mean, yeah, sure,

2271
01:50:27,492 --> 01:50:29,772
Speaker 20: they talk a different language that we don't understand, and

2272
01:50:30,452 --> 01:50:32,612
Speaker 20: you know they've got abilities like the dolphins and what

2273
01:50:32,772 --> 01:50:36,933
Speaker 20: have you that that just beyond our comprehension. Yeah, but

2274
01:50:37,213 --> 01:50:39,652
Speaker 20: I mean, yeah, so it's so intriguing, and if you're

2275
01:50:39,692 --> 01:50:43,093
Speaker 20: someone like David Edinburgh, I can't understand why he's just

2276
01:50:43,772 --> 01:50:46,852
Speaker 20: like the god of nature and it's so intrigued by it.

2277
01:50:46,973 --> 01:50:52,412
Speaker 20: As a scientist, absolutely amazing. But if I'm thinking that, okay,

2278
01:50:53,053 --> 01:50:55,772
Speaker 20: take for example, if you've got a lawnmowing guy and

2279
01:50:55,853 --> 01:51:00,812
Speaker 20: his mode lawns pushing a petrol exhaust fume lawnmower for

2280
01:51:00,933 --> 01:51:04,572
Speaker 20: ten years and his blood's full of petrochemicals, some start

2281
01:51:04,652 --> 01:51:07,812
Speaker 20: comes up and has a nip and then takes off. Well,

2282
01:51:07,893 --> 01:51:10,293
Speaker 20: of course, I mean the sharks are selective. They're not

2283
01:51:10,372 --> 01:51:11,572
Speaker 20: going to like that blood, are they.

2284
01:51:12,572 --> 01:51:14,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, fair point. But you're right on you know

2285
01:51:14,973 --> 01:51:17,372
Speaker 3: how we measure intelligence, and you can't compare them to

2286
01:51:17,452 --> 01:51:20,053
Speaker 3: the likes of the orca, or the dolphin, or indeed ourselves.

2287
01:51:20,173 --> 01:51:21,812
Speaker 2: Well, there's some things that we do better than them,

2288
01:51:21,853 --> 01:51:23,372
Speaker 2: and there's some things that they do better than us.

2289
01:51:23,412 --> 01:51:25,732
Speaker 2: You've got to say that the sharks have skills we don't.

2290
01:51:26,492 --> 01:51:29,213
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued. I've never found out why it is that

2291
01:51:29,893 --> 01:51:33,852
Speaker 2: how it is that sharks can can sense blood from

2292
01:51:33,893 --> 01:51:37,173
Speaker 2: over you know, five hundred meters away, But I'll look

2293
01:51:37,213 --> 01:51:39,812
Speaker 2: into it. Interesting when you bring up Sir David Edinburgh,

2294
01:51:40,173 --> 01:51:42,892
Speaker 2: so he turns one hundred next May far out.

2295
01:51:43,053 --> 01:51:45,852
Speaker 3: What are good innings? Yeah, yeah, it is eight minutes

2296
01:51:45,893 --> 01:51:46,852
Speaker 3: to four back in the mow.

2297
01:51:47,612 --> 01:51:50,732
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

2298
01:51:50,933 --> 01:51:52,253
Speaker 1: and everything in between.

2299
01:51:52,532 --> 01:51:55,412
Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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01:51:55,452 --> 01:51:58,612
Speaker 2: That'd be it is five minutes to four. Hey, So

2301
01:51:58,973 --> 01:52:01,293
Speaker 2: the sharks can smell blood, but the molecule of the

2302
01:52:01,333 --> 01:52:02,772
Speaker 2: blood has to get to them, So it has to

2303
01:52:03,053 --> 01:52:05,372
Speaker 2: get to them in the in the in the sea

2304
01:52:05,452 --> 01:52:07,932
Speaker 2: flow right, Ah, right, But they can sense one part

2305
01:52:07,973 --> 01:52:11,093
Speaker 2: per ten billion. That's incredible, so not much of it

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01:52:11,213 --> 01:52:13,812
Speaker 2: has to get to them anyway. Thanks so much for listening. Everyone,

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01:52:14,093 --> 01:52:17,093
Speaker 2: love the chat today. It's been a great old time.

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01:52:18,293 --> 01:52:21,492
Speaker 2: The Great and Powerful heatherdopsy Ellen is up next. But

2309
01:52:21,692 --> 01:52:24,452
Speaker 2: right now, Tyler, my good buddy, tell me why am

2310
01:52:24,492 --> 01:52:26,812
Speaker 2: I playing the song by Europe? Oh?

2311
01:52:26,933 --> 01:52:29,452
Speaker 3: The final countdown? Because we had a great chat. I'm

2312
01:52:29,492 --> 01:52:31,532
Speaker 3: assuming we had a great chat about what is the

2313
01:52:31,652 --> 01:52:34,732
Speaker 3: ultimate threat to humanity and for some people might feel

2314
01:52:34,732 --> 01:52:36,612
Speaker 3: like a bit of a countdown or we'll be final,

2315
01:52:36,692 --> 01:52:37,253
Speaker 3: let's be sure.

2316
01:52:37,893 --> 01:52:40,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can listen to that chat on our

2317
01:52:40,213 --> 01:52:43,012
Speaker 2: podcast will be out very soon. What a show we had,

2318
01:52:43,133 --> 01:52:48,612
Speaker 2: American Customs, Hysteria, Existential Risks of Humanity and Charks. How good?

2319
01:52:48,652 --> 01:52:51,492
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Anyway, you seem busy, so we'll let you

2320
01:52:51,612 --> 01:52:54,892
Speaker 2: go until tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of Kiwi

2321
01:52:54,973 --> 01:52:55,612
Speaker 2: from Tyler and I

2322
01:53:17,692 --> 01:53:21,213
Speaker 1: Matt and Tyler for more from News Talks at b

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