1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,507 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZB. 3 00:00:12,787 --> 00:00:15,987 Speaker 2: As we enter twenty twenty six, their affairs that over 4 00:00:16,107 --> 00:00:19,947 Speaker 2: half of New Zealand sports clubs haven't taken the required 5 00:00:20,067 --> 00:00:25,827 Speaker 2: action under new legislation to avoid involuntary dissolution and loss 6 00:00:25,827 --> 00:00:29,907 Speaker 2: of their incorporated status by the fifth of April this year. 7 00:00:29,987 --> 00:00:35,267 Speaker 2: Sports clubs, or incorporated community sport organizations as they're legally named, 8 00:00:35,747 --> 00:00:40,667 Speaker 2: need to register under the twenty twenty two Incorporated Societies Act. 9 00:00:41,067 --> 00:00:45,067 Speaker 2: Now Companies offers. Data shows that less than half of 10 00:00:45,107 --> 00:00:48,787 Speaker 2: the around seven thousand sports clubs in New Zealand have 11 00:00:48,907 --> 00:00:54,307 Speaker 2: actually done that. Those who don't may experience involuntary dissolution 12 00:00:54,987 --> 00:00:59,187 Speaker 2: and the loss of their incorporated status, which exposes members 13 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:02,667 Speaker 2: to personal risk and limits a club's ability to raise 14 00:01:02,707 --> 00:01:07,227 Speaker 2: funds and to enter into contracts. Bring and Chair of 15 00:01:07,267 --> 00:01:11,987 Speaker 2: the New Zealand Amateur Sport Association, Gordon Noble Campbell. Gordon, 16 00:01:12,027 --> 00:01:14,707 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. Can we start with this legislation. 17 00:01:14,947 --> 00:01:20,347 Speaker 2: What is the intent of the Incorporated Society's Act twenty 18 00:01:20,387 --> 00:01:20,907 Speaker 2: twenty two? 19 00:01:21,667 --> 00:01:23,947 Speaker 3: Well, the purpose of the act party. Firstly, thanks for 20 00:01:23,947 --> 00:01:25,627 Speaker 3: having me on the show. It's great to chat with 21 00:01:25,667 --> 00:01:29,347 Speaker 3: you is an important one. We need to have legislative 22 00:01:29,387 --> 00:01:34,507 Speaker 3: protections around the operations of community organizations, and the Incorporated 23 00:01:34,547 --> 00:01:39,387 Speaker 3: Societies Act is a really important way in which sports 24 00:01:39,387 --> 00:01:43,667 Speaker 3: clubs and other community organizations have had those protections and 25 00:01:43,707 --> 00:01:48,107 Speaker 3: those operational guidelines wrapped around them. The challenge with the 26 00:01:48,147 --> 00:01:52,867 Speaker 3: Incorporated Societies Act twenty twenty two is that it is 27 00:01:53,307 --> 00:02:00,627 Speaker 3: a complex process to transfer your constitutional arrangements from the 28 00:02:00,627 --> 00:02:05,027 Speaker 3: old legislation to the new twenty twenty two Act, and then, 29 00:02:05,187 --> 00:02:08,427 Speaker 3: having successfully done so, be sure that you've got the 30 00:02:08,507 --> 00:02:12,507 Speaker 3: resource of the knowledge, confidence and skills to deliver what's 31 00:02:12,587 --> 00:02:15,947 Speaker 3: required going forward. So where we are at the moment, 32 00:02:15,987 --> 00:02:20,267 Speaker 3: as you've pointed out in your introduction, is that less 33 00:02:20,267 --> 00:02:25,547 Speaker 3: than half of incorporated communities sport organizations on the Register 34 00:02:25,627 --> 00:02:29,627 Speaker 3: of Incorporated Societies have actually taken the necessary steps and 35 00:02:29,747 --> 00:02:31,187 Speaker 3: reregistered under the new act. 36 00:02:32,147 --> 00:02:36,187 Speaker 2: How much of this work then falls to volunteers who 37 00:02:36,387 --> 00:02:38,507 Speaker 2: may well lack the knowledge and the skills to be 38 00:02:38,507 --> 00:02:40,667 Speaker 2: able to cope with the changes that are required. 39 00:02:41,507 --> 00:02:44,747 Speaker 3: Pretty much totally, I would have thought most sports clubs, 40 00:02:44,747 --> 00:02:47,507 Speaker 3: at least those that I'm familiar with, are run and 41 00:02:47,627 --> 00:02:51,547 Speaker 3: operated by well meaning people from the local community, who 42 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:54,467 Speaker 3: are genuinely interested in the sport that they're part of, 43 00:02:54,987 --> 00:02:58,187 Speaker 3: who really make a big difference in their local community 44 00:02:58,347 --> 00:03:02,547 Speaker 3: to ensure that kits well young and old, can participate in. 45 00:03:02,627 --> 00:03:07,227 Speaker 3: Quite often the responsible for facilities and the other organizational 46 00:03:07,227 --> 00:03:11,747 Speaker 3: elements of club and its operations in the community. The 47 00:03:11,827 --> 00:03:15,867 Speaker 3: reality is all of those jobs, particularly voluntary jobs, make 48 00:03:15,947 --> 00:03:20,427 Speaker 3: people who are typically time poor, very very busy, and 49 00:03:21,027 --> 00:03:24,667 Speaker 3: our experience is that in many clubs there aren't lots 50 00:03:24,667 --> 00:03:27,267 Speaker 3: of people who are lining up to take on the 51 00:03:27,347 --> 00:03:31,347 Speaker 3: governance and the compliance roles that this legislation and other 52 00:03:31,427 --> 00:03:36,227 Speaker 3: legislation requires them to undertake. So the real risk here 53 00:03:36,547 --> 00:03:40,947 Speaker 3: is that the new legislation is perhaps not picked up 54 00:03:40,947 --> 00:03:43,067 Speaker 3: and dealt with in a timely manner, which is what 55 00:03:43,107 --> 00:03:47,387 Speaker 3: the statistics suggest, but also that it may become a 56 00:03:47,387 --> 00:03:50,987 Speaker 3: bit of a disincentive for people to step forward to 57 00:03:51,067 --> 00:03:54,547 Speaker 3: take on these roles going forward if they feel that 58 00:03:54,707 --> 00:03:58,867 Speaker 3: they don't really want to do it or have the 59 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:00,107 Speaker 3: skill to be able to do it. 60 00:04:00,147 --> 00:04:04,627 Speaker 2: Well, what will happen to clubs who don't for whatever reason, 61 00:04:04,707 --> 00:04:07,547 Speaker 2: be it you know, they don't know what they have 62 00:04:07,627 --> 00:04:09,627 Speaker 2: to do, They're not able to find someone to do it, 63 00:04:09,707 --> 00:04:12,747 Speaker 2: they just don't do it. What will happen to those 64 00:04:12,787 --> 00:04:14,467 Speaker 2: clubs who fail to comply. 65 00:04:15,027 --> 00:04:18,547 Speaker 3: Well, As you mentioned in your introduction, in voluntary dissolution 66 00:04:18,947 --> 00:04:21,347 Speaker 3: is the likely outcome. That is, they'll be struck off 67 00:04:21,747 --> 00:04:25,747 Speaker 3: the Register of Incorporated Societies and lose their incorporated status. 68 00:04:26,067 --> 00:04:30,627 Speaker 3: This simply means that they lose an important legal protection 69 00:04:30,867 --> 00:04:34,867 Speaker 3: for themselves and all of their members and put themselves 70 00:04:34,907 --> 00:04:38,947 Speaker 3: into a difficult situation where, for example, they might want 71 00:04:38,987 --> 00:04:42,387 Speaker 3: to operate a bank account and the bank says, oh, sorry, 72 00:04:42,387 --> 00:04:45,067 Speaker 3: you can't have access to your funds anymore. Or they 73 00:04:45,147 --> 00:04:47,467 Speaker 3: might want to reapply for their liquor license and the 74 00:04:47,507 --> 00:04:51,427 Speaker 3: licensing authority says, well, you're not incorporated anymore, so we 75 00:04:51,467 --> 00:04:53,907 Speaker 3: can't do that. Or they might want to put in 76 00:04:53,947 --> 00:04:57,907 Speaker 3: a grant funding application for some new sports uniforms or 77 00:04:57,907 --> 00:05:01,147 Speaker 3: for a trip for a rep team to go somewhere, 78 00:05:01,307 --> 00:05:04,867 Speaker 3: and the grant funder says, oh, you're not incorporated, we 79 00:05:04,947 --> 00:05:08,027 Speaker 3: can't accept your application. So a lot of these things 80 00:05:09,067 --> 00:05:11,667 Speaker 3: you know in corporation is a really important reason why. 81 00:05:12,987 --> 00:05:17,067 Speaker 3: You know, clubs have to do what's necessary in order 82 00:05:17,147 --> 00:05:21,547 Speaker 3: to stay compliant, and we really empathize with those that 83 00:05:21,587 --> 00:05:26,147 Speaker 3: are finding it difficult and who genuinely are seeing it 84 00:05:26,187 --> 00:05:29,147 Speaker 3: as a huge challenge to the In some cases they 85 00:05:29,187 --> 00:05:29,987 Speaker 3: continued operation. 86 00:05:30,667 --> 00:05:32,587 Speaker 2: Do you expect there to be a period of grace 87 00:05:32,947 --> 00:05:35,707 Speaker 2: beyond April five for those who haven't complied. 88 00:05:36,907 --> 00:05:39,467 Speaker 3: We would love that, Pioney. In fact, we've spoken to 89 00:05:39,507 --> 00:05:43,987 Speaker 3: the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs Scott Simpson and 90 00:05:44,227 --> 00:05:48,627 Speaker 3: suggested that directly also Mark Mitchell, who, as many listeners 91 00:05:48,667 --> 00:05:52,587 Speaker 3: will know as the Minister for Sport and Recreation. Here's 92 00:05:52,627 --> 00:05:56,187 Speaker 3: the thing. If we lose what we suspect could be 93 00:05:56,267 --> 00:06:00,867 Speaker 3: a third of our currently incorporated community sport organizations through 94 00:06:01,387 --> 00:06:05,187 Speaker 3: in voluntary dissolution, it's a big impact just in terms 95 00:06:05,227 --> 00:06:09,627 Speaker 3: of New Zealand society generally, and I think we need 96 00:06:09,667 --> 00:06:12,267 Speaker 3: to reflect long and hard on that. And to the 97 00:06:12,307 --> 00:06:15,667 Speaker 3: extent that there are obligations for people to do something 98 00:06:15,707 --> 00:06:18,587 Speaker 3: by a given date, the question we've got to ask 99 00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:22,267 Speaker 3: ourselves is has enough been done to enable them to 100 00:06:22,307 --> 00:06:25,147 Speaker 3: do it? Have they had sufficient time, have they had 101 00:06:25,147 --> 00:06:29,147 Speaker 3: the necessary resources? Can they access the right type of 102 00:06:29,267 --> 00:06:33,147 Speaker 3: expertise to do what they need to do now? And 103 00:06:33,267 --> 00:06:36,067 Speaker 3: whilst I can say the government put in place a 104 00:06:36,147 --> 00:06:39,347 Speaker 3: long or a couple of years to get it sorted out, 105 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:43,227 Speaker 3: and that's fair enough. The reality is the message hasn't 106 00:06:43,267 --> 00:06:46,107 Speaker 3: probably struck home as well as it could have been. 107 00:06:46,787 --> 00:06:50,187 Speaker 3: And if you think for a few minutes about what 108 00:06:50,307 --> 00:06:53,307 Speaker 3: else could be done, certainly I think more could be 109 00:06:53,307 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 3: done in terms of public awareness and just bringing it 110 00:06:56,587 --> 00:06:59,667 Speaker 3: to people's attention that this is really important and needs 111 00:06:59,707 --> 00:07:02,387 Speaker 3: to be something they address, needs that they should address, 112 00:07:02,707 --> 00:07:08,227 Speaker 3: but also that appropriate resources are made available in communities 113 00:07:08,307 --> 00:07:12,107 Speaker 3: where they're needed, so that you know, if there's an 114 00:07:12,147 --> 00:07:16,387 Speaker 3: accounting question, or a tax question, or a legal question, 115 00:07:16,787 --> 00:07:19,707 Speaker 3: there's some resource that people can go to and get 116 00:07:20,387 --> 00:07:23,387 Speaker 3: an expert and well considered opinion that will help them 117 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:27,467 Speaker 3: make the right decisions. And in some cases, you know, 118 00:07:27,587 --> 00:07:31,547 Speaker 3: our experience has been that clubs are not necessarily aware 119 00:07:31,707 --> 00:07:35,027 Speaker 3: of what are the right questions to be asking around 120 00:07:35,067 --> 00:07:38,787 Speaker 3: some of those aspects, and then when they get to 121 00:07:38,787 --> 00:07:42,947 Speaker 3: the stage of preparing a new draft constitution and putting 122 00:07:42,947 --> 00:07:46,987 Speaker 3: it in front of their members, quite often the members 123 00:07:47,147 --> 00:07:50,747 Speaker 3: are not quite sure or don't understand, or in some 124 00:07:50,907 --> 00:07:53,387 Speaker 3: cases get a little upset with some of the things 125 00:07:53,387 --> 00:07:55,707 Speaker 3: that are proposed that they will need to do under 126 00:07:55,707 --> 00:08:01,227 Speaker 3: the new legislative framework. So our suggestion is and we 127 00:08:01,347 --> 00:08:05,027 Speaker 3: hope that government considers it to be very sensible because 128 00:08:05,067 --> 00:08:08,227 Speaker 3: we need at least another twelve months to enable this 129 00:08:08,427 --> 00:08:12,307 Speaker 3: to occur and to really ensure that we protect this 130 00:08:13,067 --> 00:08:18,707 Speaker 3: invaluable part of our social community framework. Without sport, without 131 00:08:18,747 --> 00:08:21,627 Speaker 3: sport clubs, New Zealand would be a very different place. 132 00:08:22,347 --> 00:08:24,667 Speaker 2: What is your advice, Dan Gordon to those involved in 133 00:08:24,747 --> 00:08:27,507 Speaker 2: clubs who haven't yet taken the required steps. 134 00:08:28,907 --> 00:08:32,867 Speaker 3: The first thing that you should do is advise your 135 00:08:32,907 --> 00:08:36,867 Speaker 3: members of the current situation. There may be somebody or 136 00:08:36,907 --> 00:08:41,707 Speaker 3: a group of inside your organization who are perhaps aware 137 00:08:41,987 --> 00:08:46,787 Speaker 3: and can offer some assistance. The next thing to do 138 00:08:46,867 --> 00:08:50,867 Speaker 3: really is to see what resources you can access from 139 00:08:50,947 --> 00:08:54,787 Speaker 3: those that have been made available to inform or educate 140 00:08:55,827 --> 00:08:59,507 Speaker 3: members around what's required to be done. I mean to 141 00:08:59,547 --> 00:09:02,027 Speaker 3: be blunt. If you haven't started the process by now, 142 00:09:02,187 --> 00:09:04,787 Speaker 3: it's going to be pretty tricky to get it all completed. 143 00:09:04,827 --> 00:09:08,427 Speaker 3: I suspect by but you never know. There are some 144 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:12,827 Speaker 3: online resources and they are available if you go to 145 00:09:12,867 --> 00:09:17,067 Speaker 3: the company's office website, and they're helpful and their templates 146 00:09:17,107 --> 00:09:20,147 Speaker 3: and the things that you can look at. And whilst 147 00:09:20,187 --> 00:09:22,867 Speaker 3: the resources are good, they don't tell you what you 148 00:09:22,947 --> 00:09:25,587 Speaker 3: should do if that kind of makes sense. They show 149 00:09:25,627 --> 00:09:27,947 Speaker 3: you what needs to be done, but they can't actually 150 00:09:28,027 --> 00:09:30,467 Speaker 3: make the decisions for you about how you run your club. 151 00:09:30,947 --> 00:09:34,827 Speaker 3: You know, who classifies as a member, How frequently should 152 00:09:34,827 --> 00:09:37,707 Speaker 3: you have meetings for? How long should the chairman or 153 00:09:37,707 --> 00:09:40,467 Speaker 3: the president be able to hold their positions? All of 154 00:09:40,507 --> 00:09:43,267 Speaker 3: these things need to be considered and dealt with in 155 00:09:43,307 --> 00:09:46,667 Speaker 3: the context of the new act. Now. The Amagisport Association 156 00:09:46,867 --> 00:09:52,147 Speaker 3: is always available and happy to offer some import or 157 00:09:52,147 --> 00:09:55,427 Speaker 3: some information if that's helpful, so people can contact us 158 00:09:55,467 --> 00:09:59,307 Speaker 3: as well. But really, I mean start the conversation, I 159 00:09:59,347 --> 00:10:03,587 Speaker 3: think is the first step, and from there work through 160 00:10:03,587 --> 00:10:06,187 Speaker 3: the steps that need to be done, hopefully to get 161 00:10:06,187 --> 00:10:08,547 Speaker 3: you to the finish line by the fifth of April. 162 00:10:08,747 --> 00:10:11,747 Speaker 2: Great advice, Gordon. Do the same rules apply across the 163 00:10:11,787 --> 00:10:16,027 Speaker 2: spectrum to big organizations like New Zealand Rugby and very 164 00:10:16,027 --> 00:10:18,547 Speaker 2: small ones like a rural tennis club for example. 165 00:10:19,307 --> 00:10:21,507 Speaker 3: What a really good question, And this is one of 166 00:10:21,547 --> 00:10:25,627 Speaker 3: the things Pioney, that we the Support Association has been 167 00:10:26,107 --> 00:10:30,387 Speaker 3: concerned about, is that the new legislation has taken a 168 00:10:30,827 --> 00:10:35,947 Speaker 3: sledgehammer to open a walnut. In other words, the legislation 169 00:10:36,027 --> 00:10:39,187 Speaker 3: that has been created is entirely suitable for the big 170 00:10:39,307 --> 00:10:43,027 Speaker 3: end of town, say the New Zealand rugby Union, multimillion 171 00:10:43,067 --> 00:10:50,627 Speaker 3: dollar organizations, organization, accountants, lawyers, very complex operations, including offshore operations, 172 00:10:51,347 --> 00:10:54,427 Speaker 3: very different to the local tennis club, and yet the 173 00:10:54,547 --> 00:10:59,947 Speaker 3: legislation is identical. So we suggest that maybe this should 174 00:10:59,987 --> 00:11:03,867 Speaker 3: be reviewed and that a different or better framework which 175 00:11:03,987 --> 00:11:09,187 Speaker 3: better suits than the needs of local community organizations run 176 00:11:09,227 --> 00:11:12,627 Speaker 3: by well meaning volunteers who are not experts in all 177 00:11:12,667 --> 00:11:15,787 Speaker 3: of these areas, so that they can actually have a 178 00:11:15,867 --> 00:11:19,507 Speaker 3: safe environment. And we agree there needs to be a 179 00:11:19,587 --> 00:11:23,387 Speaker 3: suitable framework in place that gives the right type of 180 00:11:23,427 --> 00:11:28,027 Speaker 3: protections and guidelines about how to operate an organization, but 181 00:11:28,187 --> 00:11:33,467 Speaker 3: fit for purpose, right sized, and different to perhaps what's 182 00:11:33,507 --> 00:11:36,267 Speaker 3: in place or has been put in place right now. 183 00:11:36,387 --> 00:11:40,787 Speaker 3: One of the interesting things Piney, that I think went 184 00:11:40,867 --> 00:11:43,587 Speaker 3: through officials' minds when they are considering the new law 185 00:11:44,267 --> 00:11:47,307 Speaker 3: was I think they assumed that everybody who was operating 186 00:11:47,347 --> 00:11:51,027 Speaker 3: an incorporated community sport organization under the old law, which 187 00:11:51,107 --> 00:11:54,067 Speaker 3: was written a long time ago, was actually doing everything 188 00:11:54,107 --> 00:11:57,627 Speaker 3: well and understood everything fully and was up to speed 189 00:11:57,747 --> 00:12:01,267 Speaker 3: with all the bits and bobs. The reality is quite 190 00:12:01,307 --> 00:12:06,667 Speaker 3: different and this big change now I think for many 191 00:12:06,747 --> 00:12:09,827 Speaker 3: organization organizations is a bridge too. 192 00:12:09,827 --> 00:12:12,187 Speaker 2: Far, just a finition and I want to zoom out 193 00:12:12,187 --> 00:12:13,707 Speaker 2: a little bit and you will alluded to it before 194 00:12:13,707 --> 00:12:17,027 Speaker 2: about how different our society would be without sports clubs. 195 00:12:17,027 --> 00:12:18,947 Speaker 2: Two part the question, really, Gordon, how do you assess 196 00:12:18,987 --> 00:12:21,707 Speaker 2: the health of sports clubs in New Zealand right now? 197 00:12:21,747 --> 00:12:25,027 Speaker 2: And how important do they remain to us? 198 00:12:26,027 --> 00:12:28,547 Speaker 3: Two good questions, thank you, Piney. I'll answer the second 199 00:12:28,627 --> 00:12:33,147 Speaker 3: question first by saying that sports clubs are part of 200 00:12:33,187 --> 00:12:37,347 Speaker 3: the social blue that binds our communities together. By being 201 00:12:37,347 --> 00:12:40,027 Speaker 3: involved with rugby for many years, as you know, and 202 00:12:40,067 --> 00:12:42,627 Speaker 3: the number of people that I've met and built friendships 203 00:12:42,667 --> 00:12:46,787 Speaker 3: with from different communities, parts of society, and different parts 204 00:12:46,827 --> 00:12:49,707 Speaker 3: of the country through my association with rugby and through 205 00:12:49,747 --> 00:12:53,387 Speaker 3: clubs has been immense and been very rewarding for me personally. 206 00:12:53,907 --> 00:12:57,347 Speaker 3: But sports clubs don't only just deliver a sport. They 207 00:12:57,547 --> 00:13:00,387 Speaker 3: often provide a safe social place for people to go 208 00:13:00,467 --> 00:13:03,107 Speaker 3: to that is part of their local community where they 209 00:13:03,187 --> 00:13:05,947 Speaker 3: can actually meet up with other people who may or 210 00:13:05,947 --> 00:13:08,787 Speaker 3: may not or an interest in their sport. In addition 211 00:13:08,827 --> 00:13:11,187 Speaker 3: to that, many of these organizations are used for other 212 00:13:11,227 --> 00:13:14,107 Speaker 3: social purposes as well, So it's not uncommon for a 213 00:13:14,147 --> 00:13:18,107 Speaker 3: sports facility to be made available to other community organizations 214 00:13:18,507 --> 00:13:20,267 Speaker 3: at different times of the week when it's not being 215 00:13:20,347 --> 00:13:23,627 Speaker 3: used for sporting purposes. So New Zealand would be a 216 00:13:23,707 --> 00:13:26,227 Speaker 3: very different place. And you know, we need to do 217 00:13:26,267 --> 00:13:30,547 Speaker 3: everything to protect the nurture and grow this important part 218 00:13:30,987 --> 00:13:34,267 Speaker 3: of our social infrastructure. So the first part of your question, 219 00:13:35,267 --> 00:13:38,347 Speaker 3: the Association undertakes the National Sport Club Survey every year 220 00:13:38,387 --> 00:13:41,747 Speaker 3: and it's been going for eight consecutive years now. What 221 00:13:41,867 --> 00:13:45,387 Speaker 3: we've found over recent years, in the past couple of 222 00:13:45,387 --> 00:13:49,507 Speaker 3: surveys is that there are some worrying signs. Firstly around 223 00:13:49,627 --> 00:13:53,947 Speaker 3: the number of volunteers who are actively engaged in sport organizations. 224 00:13:54,307 --> 00:13:58,707 Speaker 3: The numbers have fallen away in some cases quite considerably. Secondly, 225 00:13:58,747 --> 00:14:03,827 Speaker 3: financial pressures are becoming much more apparent for many organizations, 226 00:14:04,347 --> 00:14:06,787 Speaker 3: and as you know, there's been a real kerfuffle around 227 00:14:06,907 --> 00:14:10,387 Speaker 3: the new online casino gambling bill and the extent which 228 00:14:10,467 --> 00:14:16,107 Speaker 3: this had ignored the requirement for gambling generally to pay 229 00:14:16,987 --> 00:14:20,747 Speaker 3: money back to the community. Fortunately, that legislation is going 230 00:14:20,787 --> 00:14:23,067 Speaker 3: to be amended, although I have to say I'm still 231 00:14:23,067 --> 00:14:26,307 Speaker 3: not quite sure how the benefit is going to flow 232 00:14:26,347 --> 00:14:28,667 Speaker 3: through the community. But we can leave that conversation hats 233 00:14:29,427 --> 00:14:34,827 Speaker 3: for another day. But overall, certainly outside of urban areas, 234 00:14:34,907 --> 00:14:37,627 Speaker 3: your local community sport club, big urban areas, your local 235 00:14:37,627 --> 00:14:40,027 Speaker 3: community sport club is likely to be a social hub 236 00:14:40,347 --> 00:14:43,627 Speaker 3: still today as it has been to many many years. 237 00:14:43,667 --> 00:14:46,307 Speaker 3: And I think this makes New Zealand a little unique, 238 00:14:46,467 --> 00:14:49,507 Speaker 3: a special place to live in, very different to other 239 00:14:49,587 --> 00:14:52,267 Speaker 3: parts of the world, and as I mentioned, something that 240 00:14:52,307 --> 00:14:55,107 Speaker 3: we should do everything that we can to protect. 241 00:14:55,467 --> 00:14:58,507 Speaker 2: Such an interesting time, a crossroads, you might say for 242 00:14:58,627 --> 00:15:02,187 Speaker 2: amateur sport. Gordon, thank you so much for your comprehensive 243 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:05,907 Speaker 2: insight and information this afternoon. Really appreciate you taking the time. 244 00:15:06,787 --> 00:15:08,307 Speaker 3: A pleasure party. Always happy to. 245 00:15:08,347 --> 00:15:10,907 Speaker 2: Chat now, always good to chat to you, Gordon. Thanks indeed, 246 00:15:10,947 --> 00:15:16,027 Speaker 2: Gordon Noble Campbell, Chair of the New Zealand Amateur Sport Association. 247 00:15:16,547 --> 00:15:19,747 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 248 00:15:19,827 --> 00:15:23,147 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or follow 249 00:15:23,187 --> 00:15:24,787 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.