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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at B. Start your weekend off the

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Speaker 1: right way. Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: In a good morning, Welcome to News Dogs V Jack Tame,

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Speaker 2: there's my name. I'm with you through the midday today.

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Speaker 2: How do we feel about avocado and desserts. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: be honest with you. I love I love avocado, I

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Speaker 2: love dessert. But avocado and dessert I've never been totally convinced.

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Speaker 2: I can see how. Yeah, the creaminess, the nothing, the

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Speaker 2: good fats in avocado might make a dessert. But before

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Speaker 2: ten o'clock this morning, we're going to endeavor to convince me.

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Speaker 2: We've got an avocado chocolate truffle recipe that apparently is delicious,

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Speaker 2: so our food. He's going to be in very shortly

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Speaker 2: with that. And for the first time in almost twenty

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Speaker 2: five years, Russell Crowe has Awards Buzz for Best Actor.

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Speaker 2: So two thousand and one was when he won an

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Speaker 2: Academy Award for his performance in Gladiator. He is the

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Speaker 2: star of the new film Nuremberg. He plays Herman Goring

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Speaker 2: and I've seen it. It is a pretty incredible film.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you more about Russell Crowe's performance,

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Speaker 2: and after ten o'clock this morning, the director of Nuremberg,

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Speaker 2: James Vanderbilt, is going to be with us, so really

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Speaker 2: really looking forward to that. Right now, it is eight

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Speaker 2: minutes past nine, Jack, So there's an issue that's kind

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Speaker 2: of burning away at the moment, affecting thousands of honestly,

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Speaker 2: probably tens of thousands of us, that I don't think

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Speaker 2: is getting anything like the attention it deserves. Three additional

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Speaker 2: colored sand products tested positive for asbestos this week, so

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Speaker 2: two on Monday and then another one on Thursday, all

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Speaker 2: of them additional brands sold at discount shops around the country,

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Speaker 2: to add to the products that have already been announced

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Speaker 2: in the colored sand recall earlier this month. Now I'll

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Speaker 2: put my cards on the table. Our eight year old

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Speaker 2: is at a school that has been affected by the recall.

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Speaker 2: They had to shut the school down for a day

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Speaker 2: they tested and found traces of asbestos. A number of

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Speaker 2: classrooms have been affected, and even though the testing found

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Speaker 2: no traces of asbestos in the year, for at least

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Speaker 2: the remainder of the year, the school has been thrown

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Speaker 2: into a situation where they are trying to teach the

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Speaker 2: same number of kids as always, but in far fewer classrooms.

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Speaker 2: So it means, you know, kind of ad hoc cramp

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Speaker 2: learning spaces. In two classrooms, they're going to have to

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Speaker 2: rip out all of the carpet, rip off all of

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Speaker 2: the wall coverings, get rid of all of the soft furnishings,

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Speaker 2: do it all with asbestos protocols in place. Other classrooms

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Speaker 2: require professional deep cleans. It's not clear if the work's

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Speaker 2: going to be finished in time for term one next year,

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Speaker 2: and the cleanup is going to cost tens of thousands

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Speaker 2: of dollars, But as we were informed in a letter

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Speaker 2: home this week, surprise surprise, no one wants to pay

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Speaker 2: for it. The school's insurance won't cover it. The Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Education won't cover it. Kmart, which in the schools case,

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Speaker 2: had sold the dangerous product, has directed them to the

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Speaker 2: manufacturer in China. As it stands, the school is expecting

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Speaker 2: to have to cover the cost of the cleanup. Money

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Speaker 2: that should have been spent on educating children will not

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Speaker 2: be repaid. How many New Zealand schools and early learning

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Speaker 2: centers face a similar situation. Well, all we know is

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Speaker 2: that as of yesterday, nine schools or ecees had tested

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Speaker 2: positive for asbestos, one hundred and twenty nine was still

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Speaker 2: waiting to confirm their testing results, although the Ministry of

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Speaker 2: which honestly seems inadequate to me. But the number theoretically

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Speaker 2: for this situation. They weren't negligent. It's not like they

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Speaker 2: like that. They bought a children's product that should have

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Speaker 2: been ideal for creative learning from reputable retailers with an

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Speaker 2: entirely reasonable expectation that it would be safe. And now

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Speaker 2: that this has been discovered, it's not like they can

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Speaker 2: just ignore it. Right, schools that are testing instead of

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Speaker 2: just quietly getting rid of the products, I mean, clearly

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Speaker 2: What teacher would teach in it? In my view, it

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Speaker 2: would be a great injustice if the schools that are

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Speaker 2: redress or for compensation and isolation. It's the sort of

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Speaker 2: help with in coordinating once the test results are confirmed everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I think at the moment we're what three weeks in.

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Speaker 2: There's no telling where this whole thing is going to

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Speaker 2: end up. But while at least their classrooms will be safe,

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Speaker 2: if schools end up footing the bill for all of

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Speaker 2: reasonably trusted, at the end of the day, it'll be

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Speaker 2: our kids who pay the price. Jacktam ninety two ninety

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Speaker 2: as well as interviewing the director of Nuremberg be fourteen

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Speaker 2: o'clock this morning. We've got your film picks for this weekend,

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Speaker 2: two rather different, different but cracking sounding films to share

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Speaker 2: with you. Very shortly. Kevin Melon will be in to

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's thirteen minutes past nine. It's Saturday morning.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks'.

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Speaker 2: B sixteen minutes past nine on News Talks, he'd been

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your text this morning. Jack

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Speaker 2: definitely should be on the retailer's shoulders to cover the costs.

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Speaker 2: The Ministry of Education should cover it in the short term,

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Speaker 2: and then they should sue came Art and the other

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Speaker 2: retailers as a collective. I mean, it just seems to me,

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Speaker 2: every single word and every single implication and requirement on

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Speaker 2: retailers under the Consumer Guarantees Act, but it does seem

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Speaker 2: to me extraordinary that retailers wouldn't have ultimate liability for this.

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Speaker 2: If retailers and obviously manufacturers, but retails as the kind

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Speaker 2: shop window in this case, didn't have responsibility for this.

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Speaker 2: But at the very lest I just think there's a

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Speaker 2: trying to make sure that your space is safe for children,

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Speaker 2: to then be thinking where are we going to find

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Speaker 2: cost to cover all of this. I'll get to more

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Speaker 3: Good a Jack.

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Speaker 4: Good on you for getting into the subject.

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Speaker 3: And it is outrageous, isn't it that a real retailer

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Speaker 3: can abdicate responsibility in the way and direct customers to

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Speaker 3: manufacturers in China For goodness sake, I think I did

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Speaker 3: know those consumer laws back to the front in my day. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it's fifteen years and so they.

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Speaker 5: Have fair go.

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Speaker 3: There may have been some changes, but in the past

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Speaker 3: you could not do that. No, you took responsibility yourself. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and you may want to share the costs with the manufacturer.

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Speaker 3: the manufacturer, but that was up to you as a

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Speaker 3: you had to sort them out.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an important point out. It's not just

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Speaker 2: came out who's been selling the sand? So they were

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Speaker 2: you know, I think it came out as being a

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Speaker 2: pretty responsible retailer personally. I mean, they've had huge success

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm glad. Well maybe we can get you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is where you needed fair go really.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely no. I mean, I think I think it's

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Speaker 2: So we're going to bang the drum, Kevin. We're going

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Speaker 2: to bang the drum and we will. How you want

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Speaker 2: to give a little bouquet to a little home business

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Speaker 2: this week that fixes puzzles?

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Speaker 3: Here, we have a vintage wooden children's puzzle nineteen fifty s.

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Speaker 3: I'd guess it's a toy family of six, with each

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Speaker 3: member of the family hand painted on a thick wooden piece,

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Speaker 3: a thick piece of wood that fits into identically matching

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Speaker 4: So you got these these figures.

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Speaker 3: And you slide them into a little into a little

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Speaker 3: I don't know indent in the in the wood. Each

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Speaker 3: shape to match the slot on the board. Our kids

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Speaker 3: enjoyed it a lot, fitting each member into the slot.

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Speaker 3: We we had it out to give to our grandchildren

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Speaker 3: to play with, but Sid, our one year old retriever,

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Speaker 3: found it first. He bit the head off the father

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Speaker 3: of the family and swallowed it. We were sad about this.

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Speaker 3: It was a beautiful old toy. But my wife Linda,

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Speaker 3: who's a kindy teacher, heard there was a one woman

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Speaker 3: business in Tawamutu that fixed puzzles. It has the lovely

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Speaker 3: name All Better, the sort of thing you say to

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Speaker 3: a kid when you've fixed something. Anyway, we sent the

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Speaker 3: All Better into Owamutu, with no great hopes that its

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Speaker 3: vintage charm could be recreated. Well, the puzzle was back

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Speaker 3: in our letterbox five days later. It looked stunning. Clearly, Janice,

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Speaker 3: who runs the place, knows a thing or two about

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Speaker 3: vintage artwork and puzzles. But why I tell the story

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Speaker 3: was that with the puzzle came the invoice for exceptionally

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Speaker 3: skillful work. The bill came to twenty three dollars fifty,

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Speaker 3: which included Freighton handling of thirteen dollars fifty. In other words,

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Speaker 3: Janis did this outstanding work for ten bucks. Yeah, yeah, Jack,

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Speaker 3: We've heard a lot this week about how our giant

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Speaker 3: industry is are turning the economy around, and that's great,

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Speaker 3: But I think of Janice doing brilliant work on her

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Speaker 3: much credit as the CEO of fon terror. So if

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Speaker 3: you need kids puzzles, fixed listeners, Janie's email address, we'll

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Speaker 2: of Nuremberg after ten o'clock this morning. Thank you very much, sir.

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Speaker 2: That is Ed's share and the song is called Skeletons.

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Speaker 2: So he's just dropped a deluxe edition of his most

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Speaker 2: recent album Play. The first version of Play had thirteen tracks, right,

435
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Speaker 2: pretty reasonable, pretty standard. The deluxe edition has twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: so he's more than double the initial count. But I'm

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Speaker 2: sure the d fans won't be upset about that, right.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty two minutes to ten on Newstalks. Francisca

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Speaker 2: Rudkin is our film reviewers. She's here with us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Killed her.

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Speaker 9: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're gonna be talking to James Vanderbilt, the director

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Speaker 2: of Nuremberg, after thirteen o'clock this morning. I know that

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Speaker 2: you're probably going to do that next week, but have

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Speaker 2: you seen it yet?

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Speaker 9: I have, and I'm very excited to say that. We

447
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Speaker 9: are also talking to Russell Crass tomorrow, but we're going

448
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Speaker 9: to talk about Nuremberger also going to talk about rugby

449
00:24:22,133 --> 00:24:25,493
Speaker 9: league and winning Oscars and singing and all sorts of stuff.

450
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Speaker 9: Do you think, really is it's fabulous?

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Speaker 2: Do you think he's going to be like he's an

452
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Speaker 2: Oscar's territory.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, possibly, yeah, possibly, and yeah, and he's really interesting

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Speaker 9: about them. I ask him, you know, whether he gets

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Speaker 9: involved with the hype. And he's really interesting about his

456
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Speaker 9: is in my twenties, I was all in. It was

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Speaker 9: really important. And he has quite a different approach to

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Speaker 9: it now and quite a different approach to acting. It's

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Speaker 9: a fascinating interview.

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Speaker 2: Oh, very good, fantastic.

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Speaker 9: Oh it's a Bogames today, Yes, James Day two.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got we've got a couple of films

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Speaker 2: to talk through this morning. Let us begin with the

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Speaker 2: film streaming on Netflix at the moment. This is Train

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Speaker 2: dream This.

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Speaker 10: Is right work film, not just on the boat. We

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Speaker 10: just come down two years with any five many years

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Speaker 10: I've said, some man soul where they're recognized it or not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, that is Trained Dreams. Tell us about it. France.

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Speaker 9: Oh look the trailor did not promote that film.

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Speaker 2: Well I could only understand what he's saying at first,

472
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Speaker 2: but yeah, there is that.

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Speaker 9: But watching this film was the best part of my week.

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Speaker 9: This is a devastatingly beautiful film on Netflix. It's been

475
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Speaker 9: going into cinemas just very briefly before hitting Netflix, and

476
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Speaker 9: that is so that it can be eligible for the

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Speaker 9: Award season next year. Directed by Clint Bentley, it's based

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Speaker 9: on a Novala by Dennis Johnson. It stars Joel Edgerton's

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Speaker 9: Listi Jones and William H. Macy. It is Look, if

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Speaker 9: full on actions you're thing, and you know comedy and

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Speaker 9: stuff is your kind of thing, This isn't a film

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Speaker 9: for you. This is a film for the discerning film lover,

483
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Speaker 9: an art house lover, someone who was really happy just

484
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Speaker 9: to sit and let a film unfold and you just

485
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Speaker 9: kind of get drawn into this beautiful meditation of life

486
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Speaker 9: and what it all means and its purpose and things

487
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Speaker 9: it really is. It really is quite stunning, and it's

488
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Speaker 9: really a story. It just about an ordinary man's life. Look,

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Speaker 9: we followed that this character Robert for eighty years of

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Speaker 9: his life. He was an awphume. He doesn't know who

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Speaker 9: his parents were or how they died, but he was

492
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Speaker 9: sort of brought up in Idaho and he kind of

493
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Speaker 9: wandered for a bit and then became a logger and

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Speaker 9: was doing a lot of work. This is at this

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Speaker 9: sort of the beginning of the nineteen hundreds on the

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Speaker 9: Great Northern Railway and then he finds purpose in his

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Speaker 9: life and he meets Gladys played by Felicity Jones. Johel

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Speaker 9: Edgerton is Robert, and they fall in love and they

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Speaker 9: build this beautiful cabin by a river. They have a

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Speaker 9: very simple life. They work hard, you know, and just

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Speaker 9: as they're sort of starting to get to a point

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Speaker 9: in their lives where, you know, Robert may no longer

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Speaker 9: have to leave home for months on end for the

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Speaker 9: logging season, a tragedy strikes and Robert Hadden has to

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Speaker 9: kind of recover from that, and we just follow him.

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Speaker 9: He's an observer of the world.

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Speaker 11: He is haunted by.

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Speaker 9: An awful thing that he saw happen when he was

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Speaker 9: working on the railway, whereby one of his coworkers, a

510
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Speaker 9: Chinese worker, was thrown off a bridge and killed. And

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Speaker 9: he's haunted by that, and it kind of he feels

512
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Speaker 9: that something bad is about to happen because he couldn't

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Speaker 9: stop that that that was going to affect his life.

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Speaker 9: But he's just an observer. The amazing thing about the

515
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Speaker 9: period of time that this film was shot is that

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Speaker 9: the whole world is changing. It's gone from a very

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Speaker 9: manual world to technology and innovation, and this train is

518
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Speaker 9: opening up America and he goes from an acts to

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Speaker 9: a chainsaw. So we're also just seeing how the world

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Speaker 9: changed so dramatically over these eighty years of his life,

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Speaker 9: and he's just trying to find what his purpose and

522
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Speaker 9: his meaning is. Joe Edgerton is fantastic. I think what

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Speaker 9: I loved about him was he was happy to be

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Speaker 9: that observer. I can imagine another actor coming in going,

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Speaker 9: oh my gosh, I'm going to win and Oscar for

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Speaker 9: this and I'm going to really throw myself at There'll

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Speaker 9: be a lot more yeah done. But he doesn't. He

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Speaker 9: just embodies this person and this character. It's just the thought.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I did cry Away. It was just it

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Speaker 9: was just a couple of hours of absolute beauty this week.

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Speaker 9: I loved it. So it's on Netflix. This is a

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Speaker 9: little quiet yeah, yeah, just you do just need to

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Speaker 9: sink into it. It's slow and ponderous. It's a slow burner,

534
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Speaker 9: but I just loved it.

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Speaker 2: That sounds fantastic. Okay, thank you. So that's Trained Dreams.

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Speaker 2: It's streaming on Netflix at the moment. Your next film

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Speaker 2: for us is in cinemas. It is completely different, to

538
00:28:57,733 --> 00:29:03,773
Speaker 2: say the least, there's this Christmas karma. These kids should

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Speaker 2: be arrested for making such a terrible noise like somebody's

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Speaker 2: on the Northwest.

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Speaker 1: And listen, Free Spirits will come to you tonight.

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Speaker 2: Danda Dan So this is a Bollywood inspired British musical.

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Speaker 9: This LUTs. I know that there are people out there

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Speaker 9: that the minute December hits, they just love tuning through

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Speaker 9: Christmas film. So if you are looking for something a

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Speaker 9: little bit sentimental in sweet, you might want to try

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Speaker 9: Christmas Camera. I don't know how many adaptations of Charles

548
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Speaker 9: Dickens Christmas Carol there has been. It's like it's its

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Speaker 9: own form genre, to be honest with you. And this

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Speaker 9: one is directed by Grinda Chada who did Bend It

551
00:29:48,853 --> 00:29:51,053
Speaker 9: like Beckham, so it was really interested to see what

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Speaker 9: she did with this film. And it is this crazy

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00:29:54,853 --> 00:29:57,693
Speaker 9: mix of kind of Bollywood and to Mine and then

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00:29:57,733 --> 00:30:01,213
Speaker 9: it's infused with kind of Latin and South Asian and

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Speaker 9: African culture and history. It all takes place in London.

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Speaker 9: The swifts from on all these ideas this film, and

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Speaker 9: some of them stick and some of them don't. I

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Speaker 9: think probably the main problem is that the budget for

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00:30:13,813 --> 00:30:16,053
Speaker 9: this film isn't quite what it really needs to be,

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Speaker 9: so it looks it feels a little bit more like

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Speaker 9: sort of a TV movie or a TV series, and

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Speaker 9: it does the film, and I think if a little

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Speaker 9: bit more money had been thrown it, it might have

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Speaker 9: be able to pull it off a little bit better.

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Speaker 9: Knar Naya from Big Bang Theory. He stars as our scrooge,

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Speaker 9: mister sud. He's exactly as you expect. He's grumpy. He's

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Speaker 9: this typefisted businessman. He's a Hindu, so he doesn't understand

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Speaker 9: Also why in London, why it's filled with all these

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Speaker 9: different cultures, many of them who don't believe in Christmas,

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Speaker 9: who drop everything to celebrate Christmas. But he's got this

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Speaker 9: really interesting backstory Jack and he's part of the Ugandan

572
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Speaker 9: South Asian community that was expelled and sent to Britain.

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Speaker 9: And it's happened when he was a child. So this

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Speaker 9: is the interesting thing, right. Some of this is really

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Speaker 9: kind of obvious and fun, and then there's these really

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Speaker 9: interesting kind of other aspects in there. It talks about

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Speaker 9: racism and racial discrimination and refugees and fitting in and

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Speaker 9: assimilation that all these other ideas forgiveness and things. But

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Speaker 9: it's all a bit natty. I mean it starts Hugh Bonniville,

580
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Speaker 9: who's in it for about five minutes even long Goora

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Speaker 9: stars as one of the spirits, Billy Porter, and boy

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Speaker 9: George turns up and even Boy George to me, so

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Speaker 9: if you didn't really look like in you when he

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Speaker 9: was doing there. The music's by Gary Barlow, to be honest,

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Speaker 9: the songs are quite memorable. So look, it's just it's

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Speaker 9: just it's.

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Speaker 2: A bit of Christmas. Yeah, if you.

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Speaker 9: Love, if you like Christmas, I think you'll probably Christmas movies.

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00:31:34,573 --> 00:31:36,853
Speaker 9: You don't mind them, Send me one sweet. There are

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Speaker 9: some moving moments in the film, but I just think, wow,

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00:31:40,213 --> 00:31:41,293
Speaker 9: there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, it sounds entertaining, if not necessarily great,

593
00:31:51,773 --> 00:31:55,053
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, busy. So that's Christmas karma that's showing

594
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Speaker 2: in cinemas. Francesca's first film is Train Dreams. That's the

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Speaker 2: one on Netflix, and both of those films will be

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Speaker 2: up on the news talk he'd be website. I just

597
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Speaker 2: so you know, this problem with a three to twenty

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Speaker 2: planes seems to be worldwide at the moment, so basically

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Speaker 2: all New Zealand flights with A three twenties both three

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand and Jetstar can't do anything at the moment.

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Speaker 2: They're stuck on the tarmac. So our team in the

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Speaker 2: newsroom are trying to get the very latest and trying

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Speaker 2: to get a steer on when the Jetstar and in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand authorities are expecting things to improve, but like

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Speaker 2: I say, it looks like a bit of a global

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Speaker 2: issue at the moment. So anyway, we'll have an update

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Speaker 2: for you eighteen o'clock in the news when we get

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Speaker 2: that through. If you are planning on traveling or someone

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Speaker 2: in your family's planning on traveling sometime today fourteen to ten,

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Speaker 2: we've got that beautiful sounding but maybe controversial avocado and

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Speaker 2: chocolate truffle recipe for your next.

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through

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Speaker 1: the weekend News TALKSB.

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Speaker 12: Frye.

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Speaker 2: Now it is eleven minutes to ten on News TALKS'DB,

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Speaker 2: So after ten o'clock this morning, we are going to

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Speaker 2: tell you about the final season of Stranger Things. Stranger

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Speaker 2: Things has just been one of those streaming era of

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Speaker 2: shows that I think has cut through with audiences more

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Speaker 2: than any other You could probably list, honestly, you could

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Speaker 2: probably list them on like a couple of hands, the

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Speaker 2: number of shows that have had the same kind of

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Speaker 2: impact as Stranger Things. So it is the final season.

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Speaker 2: Set in the nineteen eighties in Indiana, a group of

625
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Speaker 2: young friends witnessed supernatural forces and secret government exploits and

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Speaker 2: then go searching for answers. And there are all sorts of,

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Speaker 2: you know, all sorts of extraordinary mysteries that they get

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Speaker 2: ahold of. So we're going to tell you about that

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Speaker 2: in our screen time segment. After ten got two other

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Speaker 2: shows to recommend as well. If you're looking just for

631
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Speaker 2: a nice weekend, veging out on the couch, totally relaxing,

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Speaker 2: we have you covered right. Margot Flannagan, one of the

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Speaker 2: two Raw Sisters, is with us this morning with this

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Speaker 2: week's recipe, and we've chosen an avocado chocolate truffle recipe

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Speaker 2: and Margo I started the show by saying, I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure about avocado and dessert. Convince me.

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Speaker 5: So many people say this, Jackson, don't judge a book

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Speaker 5: by its cover, Guys.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I mean it's nutty, it's rich, it's creamy,

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Speaker 2: it's fatty. I can. I can theorize why avocado and

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Speaker 2: dessert is a good thing, But maybe I just don't

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Speaker 2: think that dessert should ever be healthy? Is that my

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Speaker 2: Is that my reticence to you? Reckon? Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Maybe?

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Speaker 5: I mean I think it's it's good when it's with

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Speaker 5: dark chocolate because you don't notice the avocado is there

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Speaker 5: so much like it's not green in any sense. You know,

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Speaker 5: you can't. You can't notice it at all, but it

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Speaker 5: gives you that really delicious creaminess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, so rass through it.

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Speaker 6: Sure.

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Speaker 5: So it's so easy. All you need to do is

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Speaker 5: add avocado's to a blended. Now this is great because

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Speaker 5: use those kind of brown avocados or ones that have

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Speaker 5: maybe gone a bit over right, you can kind of

656
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Speaker 5: you can. You can get away with the with the

657
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Speaker 5: not so good guys in here. So leave the good

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Speaker 5: ones for your salads, and if you have a brown one,

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Speaker 5: save it and make these truffles. So add avocado to

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Speaker 5: a blender with one hundred and fifty grams of melted

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Speaker 5: duck chocolate, and then we've got two tablespoons of melted

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Speaker 5: coconut oil. Now you can use extraversion olive oil that's

663
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Speaker 5: really delicious with chocolate, or you could also use butter

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Speaker 5: as well, melted butter, and then we've got two tablespoons

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Speaker 5: of maple syrup. If you don't have maple syrup, use honey,

666
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Speaker 5: use coconut sugar, use any sweetening you have at home.

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Speaker 5: You could even add a overrite banana in there, and

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Speaker 5: then a good generous pinch of sea salt. Blend it

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Speaker 5: all together and that's it, and then put it into

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Speaker 5: a bowl and let it set in the freezer for

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Speaker 5: a couple of hours, and then roll it into truffles

672
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Speaker 5: and you can we've rolled them in cacar powder, or

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Speaker 5: you can use cocoa powder, or we've also rolled some

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Speaker 5: in kkan nibs, which give it a bit of texture.

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Speaker 5: But they are so easy and you can actually also

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Speaker 5: use this as a cake icing. Oh the just had

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Speaker 5: her daughter's first birthday yesterday and we made this truffle

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Speaker 5: max for the icing and it was delicious.

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Speaker 2: What a good idea. Yeah, that's great, And just like

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Speaker 2: there's definitely richness in their ra between the I mean

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Speaker 2: the avocado, but whether you go with the olive oil

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Speaker 2: or with the coconut oil or whatever, yeah. Yeah, it's

683
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Speaker 2: nice and nice and rich but also not crazy sweet.

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Speaker 5: Could you know everyone should get around it? It's so good.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon? Like, what about like an avocado that's

686
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Speaker 2: getting a bit kind of getting on?

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Speaker 14: You know?

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Speaker 2: Could you use an avocado?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Right, you know when kind of they start to smell

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Speaker 5: a bit funny like off, I wouldn't use those that

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Speaker 5: I would, but if it's brown, or it's quite stringy,

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Speaker 5: or there's any sort of imperfections in there, Ross very

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Speaker 5: fussy with her avocados, right, So if there are any

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Speaker 5: imperfections in there, make this recipe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah cool, Hey, thank you. That sounds amazing. That's Margo

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Speaker 2: Flanagan of the Two Raw Sisters. You can hear more

699
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Speaker 2: of them, of course, on the Two Raw Sisters podcast.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to make sure that recipe for avocado

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Speaker 2: chocolate truffles is up on the news talks head Be website. Jack,

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Speaker 2: Why are children playing with colored sand at school? You

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Speaker 2: can do that at home, right, Yeah? They use it

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Speaker 2: for creative things, so they make like pictures out of them,

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Speaker 2: and they like stick the sand and kind of make

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Speaker 2: you know, make tactile artworks. I suppose you described them

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Speaker 2: as Jackson is Harry, the importers who failed to check

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Speaker 2: the product was safe need to pay for remediation. They

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Speaker 2: for everything that the schools are going through at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that. Ninety two to ninety two. If

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Speaker 2: us about a really interesting new deal with some of

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Speaker 2: their voice if you follow it so feasibly. I think

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Speaker 2: At the very least, the artists are going to be paid,

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Speaker 2: give us a bit more detail on that. Straight after

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Speaker 2: the ten o'clock News, James Vanderbilt, the director of Nuremberg

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Speaker 2: eighty years since the trial, has produced an incredible film.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be our feature interview. News is next

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Speaker 2: You're with Jack Tam. Good morning and welcome to news

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Speaker 2: talk'd be. I'm read you through to twelve o'clock today.

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Speaker 2: Eighty years ago, Nazi high command we're put on trial

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Speaker 2: in Nuremberg. In a brand new film, Nuremberg follows the

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Speaker 2: lesson on lead up to official proceedings as a psychiatrist

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Speaker 2: evaluates the psychological fitness of detained Nazi officials.

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Speaker 8: Justice Jackson, they captured Herman Gooring alive.

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Speaker 2: The governments of Russia, France, Great Britain, and our United States.

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Speaker 2: We'll put these men on trial for their lives. Doctor

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Speaker 2: Keurley will expect and ensure the prisoner's mental health.

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Speaker 16: Is highly intelligent, charming and a narcissist.

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Speaker 10: I'm going to escape, saying man very sure, no man

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Speaker 10: has ever bitten me.

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Speaker 2: Best known for scripting blockbuster hits, an edge of your

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Speaker 2: seat thrillers like The Amazing Spider Man and Zodiac. James

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Speaker 2: Vanderbilt wrote the screenplay for Nuremberg and directed the film,

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Speaker 2: and James is with us this morning, keld To, Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the show.

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Speaker 15: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 2: Nuremberg is an extraordinary film. It is affecting and it

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Speaker 2: feels timely. What is it about this story that you

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Speaker 2: wanted to tell?

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Speaker 15: I mean so many things, you know.

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Speaker 17: It was I first came to it thirteen years ago

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Speaker 17: and I read a book proposal by a guy named

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Speaker 17: Jack L. High, who ended up writing The Nazi and

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Speaker 17: the Psychiatrist, which was the book the film was based on.

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Speaker 17: But it was only five or six pages, and it

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Speaker 17: sort of talked about the psychiatrist Douglas Kelly, who Romi

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Speaker 17: Malick plays, being called in at the end of World

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Speaker 17: War Two to go and evaluate the surviving Nazi high command,

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Speaker 17: including Herman Goering, who Russell Crowe plays, and it was

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Speaker 17: so it was so fascinating to me because it was

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Speaker 17: a period of time I thought I knew a lot

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Speaker 17: about I studied it in school, like we all sort

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Speaker 17: of do in the States, and yet I knew nothing

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Speaker 17: about this. I didn't know there were psychiatrists in the

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Speaker 17: US Army and World War Two. I didn't know that

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Speaker 17: this whole situation had transpired. I didn't know the US

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Speaker 17: Army and many of the other countries had no interest

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Speaker 17: in putting the trials on in the first place and

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Speaker 17: had to be talked into it. So it just was

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Speaker 17: such an incredible story that really happened. It was the

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Speaker 17: fastest I ever said yes to anything in my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I felt exactly

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Speaker 2: that I'm way, and that I felt like I had

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Speaker 2: a sort of an understanding, you know, a kind of broad,

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Speaker 2: if somewhat loose, understanding of the history. I knew about

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Speaker 2: the trials, I knew about the process and establishing the court,

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Speaker 2: but I had absolutely no idea about this character, Douglas Kelly,

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Speaker 2: who kind of fulfilled in extraordinary role. But clearly the film,

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Speaker 2: as much as it is about the Nazis' atrocities, is

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Speaker 2: really about a relationship between two men, between Rhymy's character

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Speaker 2: and between Russell's characters, So can you talk to me

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Speaker 2: about your approach and trying to describe that relationship.

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Speaker 15: Well, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 17: One of the first movies we talked about with Silence

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Speaker 17: of the Lambs and that idea of the person going

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Speaker 17: into the cell and sitting with the prisoner, you know,

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Speaker 17: And in our film, they're both trying to get over

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Speaker 17: on each other a little bit. They're both trying to

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Speaker 17: get something out of each other. Kelly's trying to get

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Speaker 17: you know, Girring to open up for a book he

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Speaker 17: wants to write, you know, and he wants to understand

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Speaker 17: what is the nature of evil and what makes the

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Speaker 17: Nazis different from the rest of us. And Gurring is

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Speaker 17: trying to get something out of Kelly, you know, he's

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Speaker 17: trying to get over on him. He's trying to get

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Speaker 17: his last moment in the sun in the courtroom. And

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Speaker 17: so that relationship was something we talked a lot about,

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Speaker 17: and I sort of loved the idea of these two

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Speaker 17: men both trying to play each other and yet at

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Speaker 17: the same time connecting in a way that neither of

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Speaker 17: them saw coming, and that to me just felt delicious

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Speaker 17: in order to play and as I started researching it,

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Speaker 17: because the book is really just about the two of them.

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Speaker 17: I learned about Robert Jackson, who Michael Shannon plays, and

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Speaker 17: all of the work he did to put the trials on.

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Speaker 17: You know, the US Army didn't want the trials. They

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Speaker 17: wanted to shoot the Nazis and the head and call

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Speaker 17: it today. And Jackson said, no, this is important. This,

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Speaker 17: you know, these crimes need to be exposed on the

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Speaker 17: world stage for people to actually believe that this really happened.

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Speaker 17: And he made the trials happen, then took a leave

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Speaker 17: of absence from the Supreme Court, flew to Nuremberg became

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Speaker 17: the chief prosecutor for the Americans. So at first I went, oh,

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Speaker 17: I think my movie's over here in the cell. And

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Speaker 17: then I went, oh, but it's also over here with

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Speaker 17: Jackson in the court. And then I learned about how

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Speaker 17: he treast who's the translator who Leo Woodall plays in

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Speaker 17: his story, and I went, oh, my gosh, my mo

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Speaker 17: movie's also over here with this character. And so as

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Speaker 17: I researched that, you know, the movie just kind of

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00:44:24,253 --> 00:44:26,613
Speaker 17: grew and grew and grew and grew, which as a

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Speaker 17: screenwriter is terrifying. This is sort of not what you want.

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Speaker 17: You know, when you adapt something, it's about subtraction. You know,

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Speaker 17: you get three hundred and fifty pages of a book

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Speaker 17: that you got to fit into two hours of a film,

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Speaker 17: And this thing went exactly the other way. It just

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Speaker 17: kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. But I'm so

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Speaker 17: happy it did because I just there's so many fascinating

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Speaker 17: stories that I get to interweave in the film.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine your horror at the story getting

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Speaker 2: bigger when the thing that really distinguishes Nuremberg, I think,

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Speaker 2: is that you have managed to distill the complexity of

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Speaker 2: the relationship like you can imagine in another world and

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Speaker 2: in another film. It would be very easy to have

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Speaker 2: a kind of binary vision of both Douglas and of

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Speaker 2: human goering right, and just be like he is evil,

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Speaker 2: he is good, and that's the end of that. But actually,

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Speaker 2: the thing that you've really achieved in the film is

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Speaker 2: that you've managed to show a far more nuanced relationship,

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Speaker 2: the things they like about each other, the sort of

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Speaker 2: elements of friendship and companionship that they have, as well

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Speaker 2: as the more dark and kind of sinister components, which

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Speaker 2: I mean as a hell of an achievement. But talk

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Speaker 2: to me about your decision to write the film, because

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Speaker 2: that's a critical part I think in achieving that complexity.

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Speaker 17: Well, I mean, you know, the amazing thing was they

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Speaker 17: decided to write the film immediately. It wasn't you know.

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Speaker 17: I think if you had told me, oh, it's going

861
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Speaker 17: to take thirteen years and it's going to be all.

862
00:45:49,013 --> 00:45:51,013
Speaker 15: Of this, they probably would have had a little bit

863
00:45:51,013 --> 00:45:51,573
Speaker 15: more pause.

864
00:45:51,653 --> 00:45:54,493
Speaker 17: But you know, I'm a writer first and foremost, and

865
00:45:54,533 --> 00:45:58,933
Speaker 17: I love stories, and this one just spoke to me immediately,

866
00:45:59,013 --> 00:46:01,653
Speaker 17: incredibly fast, And I was the fastest, as I said,

867
00:46:01,693 --> 00:46:03,413
Speaker 17: I've ever said yes to anything in my life. I

868
00:46:03,493 --> 00:46:05,693
Speaker 17: just when I have to write this, I have to

869
00:46:05,693 --> 00:46:08,453
Speaker 17: explore these carescharacters. I have to be in that cell

870
00:46:08,533 --> 00:46:11,653
Speaker 17: with them and sort of discover these things about them

871
00:46:11,693 --> 00:46:14,533
Speaker 17: because because of the complexity of it, because of the

872
00:46:14,613 --> 00:46:17,213
Speaker 17: humanity of both of them. I thought, that's what, you know,

873
00:46:17,413 --> 00:46:21,373
Speaker 17: sort of I think hopefully sets this movie apart, you know,

874
00:46:21,453 --> 00:46:24,693
Speaker 17: and it is scarier to think of, you know, you know,

875
00:46:24,733 --> 00:46:27,813
Speaker 17: Herman Gouring as a three dimensional character, it's easy to

876
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:30,333
Speaker 17: sort of go good guy, bad guy. But you know,

877
00:46:30,453 --> 00:46:34,053
Speaker 17: the truth of the matter is you know, people who

878
00:46:34,213 --> 00:46:36,133
Speaker 17: do monstrous things also.

879
00:46:35,893 --> 00:46:37,813
Speaker 15: Do love their wives like we love our wives.

880
00:46:37,813 --> 00:46:40,453
Speaker 17: They do love their children like we love our children,

881
00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:41,973
Speaker 17: and I do think that's scarier.

882
00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:45,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, people can time multitudes rights. That's the nature of

883
00:46:45,573 --> 00:46:49,613
Speaker 2: being a person. So what did you learn about Whom

884
00:46:49,613 --> 00:46:53,093
Speaker 2: and Gouring during this process that prep surprised you the most.

885
00:46:53,773 --> 00:46:55,493
Speaker 17: Well, the first thing I learned about him was that

886
00:46:55,533 --> 00:47:00,053
Speaker 17: he was incredibly funny and charming, and everybody sort of

887
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:02,533
Speaker 17: agreed on that. You know, someone once described him as

888
00:47:02,533 --> 00:47:06,213
Speaker 17: the best dinner party guest you'll ever have, which you

889
00:47:06,213 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 17: know is not the you know, that kind of magnetism,

890
00:47:08,973 --> 00:47:10,773
Speaker 17: charm is not what you think of I think when

891
00:47:10,773 --> 00:47:11,733
Speaker 17: you think of the Nazis.

892
00:47:12,933 --> 00:47:14,573
Speaker 15: That was fascinating to me.

893
00:47:15,653 --> 00:47:19,293
Speaker 17: And just his his upbringing, some of this where he

894
00:47:19,333 --> 00:47:21,413
Speaker 17: came from, some of the stories, who he's named after,

895
00:47:21,573 --> 00:47:22,493
Speaker 17: all of this stuff.

896
00:47:22,293 --> 00:47:23,333
Speaker 15: Is in the film.

897
00:47:23,733 --> 00:47:27,253
Speaker 17: Just really you know, sort of sort of knocked my

898
00:47:27,333 --> 00:47:31,573
Speaker 17: socks off and felt to me like could be an

899
00:47:31,613 --> 00:47:34,813
Speaker 17: amazing character for an actor to play if we got

900
00:47:34,813 --> 00:47:37,253
Speaker 17: the right person to do it, and we did with

901
00:47:37,333 --> 00:47:38,013
Speaker 17: Russell Crowe.

902
00:47:38,053 --> 00:47:40,733
Speaker 15: He just dove in with both feet and was incredible.

903
00:47:40,933 --> 00:47:43,733
Speaker 2: You're listening to Jack tame. I'm speaking to James Vanderbilt,

904
00:47:43,773 --> 00:47:47,253
Speaker 2: who has just directed the film Nuremberg starring Rami Melick

905
00:47:47,453 --> 00:47:49,853
Speaker 2: and Russell Crowe. Talk to us about working with Russell

906
00:47:49,893 --> 00:47:52,653
Speaker 2: as fellow New Zealanders. We obviously feel a deep connection

907
00:47:52,773 --> 00:47:55,053
Speaker 2: and a deep sense of pride about all that Russell

908
00:47:55,093 --> 00:47:57,413
Speaker 2: has has achieved. But it felt like he had a

909
00:47:57,493 --> 00:48:00,813
Speaker 2: real presence in this film, and part of that was

910
00:48:00,853 --> 00:48:02,853
Speaker 2: his performance. Part of that was the way perhaps you

911
00:48:02,933 --> 00:48:05,693
Speaker 2: treated Hermann Goerring in that he filled the frame a

912
00:48:05,693 --> 00:48:07,933
Speaker 2: lot of the time quite a quite a fitful way.

913
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:11,693
Speaker 17: Yes, I mean, you know, going was very very powerful,

914
00:48:11,733 --> 00:48:13,933
Speaker 17: and Russell as a performer is very very powerful.

915
00:48:13,973 --> 00:48:15,973
Speaker 15: And that's absolutely one of the things I wanted.

916
00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:18,213
Speaker 17: One of the reasons he was my first choice for

917
00:48:18,253 --> 00:48:21,053
Speaker 17: it was, you know, I wanted to and there's some

918
00:48:21,213 --> 00:48:23,733
Speaker 17: they're wonderful character actors out there, They're wonderful German actors

919
00:48:23,733 --> 00:48:27,653
Speaker 17: out there, but that seductive magnetism that you know, the

920
00:48:27,733 --> 00:48:29,933
Speaker 17: fact that we as audiences have been in love with

921
00:48:30,013 --> 00:48:32,533
Speaker 17: this guy for twenty five years, We've seen him, we

922
00:48:32,693 --> 00:48:35,453
Speaker 17: loved him in things. I really wanted to use that

923
00:48:36,013 --> 00:48:39,093
Speaker 17: sort of screen presence and baggage.

924
00:48:38,693 --> 00:48:40,413
Speaker 15: Kind of against you in a way.

925
00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:43,973
Speaker 17: And you know, I also knew I needed a really

926
00:48:44,293 --> 00:48:46,733
Speaker 17: great actor, you know, who could do that, who could

927
00:48:46,933 --> 00:48:49,693
Speaker 17: portray those multitudes. And you know, the thing about Russell

928
00:48:49,773 --> 00:48:51,813
Speaker 17: is he is a movie star, but he is a

929
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:54,413
Speaker 17: leading man. He's a he's a character actor in a

930
00:48:54,493 --> 00:48:57,453
Speaker 17: leading man's body, and he will go to those places.

931
00:48:57,493 --> 00:49:00,893
Speaker 17: And you know, he first attached himself to the movie

932
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:04,493
Speaker 17: in twenty nineteen and stayed with it for five years

933
00:49:04,533 --> 00:49:06,613
Speaker 17: of the money coming in and the money falling out,

934
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:08,693
Speaker 17: and there were moments where he could have said, you know,

935
00:49:09,453 --> 00:49:12,013
Speaker 17: good luck, mate, I'll show myself out, but I don't

936
00:49:12,013 --> 00:49:14,013
Speaker 17: think this is going to happen. But he never looked

937
00:49:14,013 --> 00:49:15,653
Speaker 17: for the door. He always looked for a way to

938
00:49:15,933 --> 00:49:18,453
Speaker 17: make this movie happen. It wouldn't exist with that Russell Crowe.

939
00:49:18,813 --> 00:49:20,773
Speaker 17: And then when we got to shoot it, you know,

940
00:49:21,093 --> 00:49:23,773
Speaker 17: and I saw him do all of the prep work,

941
00:49:23,813 --> 00:49:25,973
Speaker 17: I saw him do all the research. You know, he

942
00:49:26,053 --> 00:49:29,253
Speaker 17: found out of print books, He went over gurring speeches

943
00:49:29,373 --> 00:49:32,053
Speaker 17: as the Reich Marshall when he was in power, you know,

944
00:49:32,133 --> 00:49:35,013
Speaker 17: and would tell me things, talk to me about you know,

945
00:49:35,093 --> 00:49:38,173
Speaker 17: how Gurring really disliked Gebels, how he didn't feel very

946
00:49:38,173 --> 00:49:41,013
Speaker 17: good about Himler he would discover things along the way

947
00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:42,773
Speaker 17: that we would weave into the film. So it was

948
00:49:42,893 --> 00:49:47,093
Speaker 17: just a tremendous collaboration with a man who certainly has

949
00:49:47,173 --> 00:49:50,493
Speaker 17: nothing left to prove in his performances, and yet attack

950
00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:52,773
Speaker 17: this thing like he had everything to prove.

951
00:49:53,893 --> 00:49:56,413
Speaker 2: Without wanting to give too much away. One of your

952
00:49:57,053 --> 00:49:59,493
Speaker 2: very conscious decisions in the film is to, as well

953
00:49:59,533 --> 00:50:03,053
Speaker 2: as all the beautifully shot modern footage, is to use

954
00:50:03,173 --> 00:50:07,333
Speaker 2: historic footage from the camps. And yes, I mean, I

955
00:50:07,413 --> 00:50:09,653
Speaker 2: just feel like you could have heard a pendrop, you know,

956
00:50:09,733 --> 00:50:14,173
Speaker 2: in the theaters as those scenes were playing to talk

957
00:50:14,213 --> 00:50:18,693
Speaker 2: to us about that decision, because I suppose as audience is,

958
00:50:18,733 --> 00:50:21,133
Speaker 2: it's easy to be caught up and in a you know,

959
00:50:21,453 --> 00:50:26,533
Speaker 2: in a modern Hollywood narrative, but that really grounds your audience.

960
00:50:27,973 --> 00:50:30,613
Speaker 15: Yeah, it was the very first draft.

961
00:50:30,653 --> 00:50:32,453
Speaker 17: It was something that I was adamant about that we

962
00:50:32,453 --> 00:50:35,013
Speaker 17: were going to use the real footage, what they shot

963
00:50:35,013 --> 00:50:37,813
Speaker 17: in the camps and what was really shown in the courtroom.

964
00:50:37,813 --> 00:50:39,733
Speaker 17: And you know, I remember that my first d a

965
00:50:39,813 --> 00:50:40,973
Speaker 17: D sort of going, so how are we going to

966
00:50:41,013 --> 00:50:43,293
Speaker 17: do this? Are we going to shoot something for I said, no, no, no,

967
00:50:43,293 --> 00:50:44,853
Speaker 17: we're not going to shoot anything. This is going to

968
00:50:44,893 --> 00:50:47,213
Speaker 17: be the real stuff, the real footage, it's the real narration.

969
00:50:48,693 --> 00:50:50,613
Speaker 17: And it was just it was very important to me.

970
00:50:50,733 --> 00:50:53,773
Speaker 17: And as we cast the movie and I talked to

971
00:50:53,813 --> 00:50:55,893
Speaker 17: the different actors, I sort of would say to them, listen,

972
00:50:57,293 --> 00:50:58,853
Speaker 17: you know there's the scene in the courtroom.

973
00:50:59,053 --> 00:51:00,333
Speaker 15: That footage is out there.

974
00:51:00,453 --> 00:51:02,173
Speaker 17: I know you want to research the movie, but do

975
00:51:02,253 --> 00:51:04,853
Speaker 17: me a favor, don't watch it because I want you

976
00:51:04,933 --> 00:51:08,133
Speaker 17: fresh on the day right experience. And they all agreed.

977
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:11,453
Speaker 17: And then that, you know, on the day, we brought

978
00:51:11,453 --> 00:51:13,293
Speaker 17: in a real projector. We built We had built the

979
00:51:13,293 --> 00:51:15,453
Speaker 17: court room to scale to within an interest, so that

980
00:51:15,493 --> 00:51:17,653
Speaker 17: courtroom is as big as the real courtroom in Nuremberg,

981
00:51:17,893 --> 00:51:21,453
Speaker 17: and we had three hundred extras, and so I went

982
00:51:21,493 --> 00:51:23,253
Speaker 17: out and I sort of explained to them, Okay, this

983
00:51:23,333 --> 00:51:24,733
Speaker 17: is what's going to happen today. This is what we're

984
00:51:24,773 --> 00:51:29,013
Speaker 17: going to see. It's the real footage. It's very powerful.

985
00:51:30,933 --> 00:51:33,493
Speaker 17: And we had a moment of silence and I set

986
00:51:33,533 --> 00:51:36,773
Speaker 17: up four cameras to cover there are leads, and then

987
00:51:36,813 --> 00:51:37,893
Speaker 17: we rolled the film.

988
00:51:37,973 --> 00:51:39,213
Speaker 15: You know, we didn't have a blue screen.

989
00:51:39,253 --> 00:51:42,333
Speaker 17: It was the real film being shown, and you know,

990
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:43,693
Speaker 17: we have a lot of great actors in this movie,

991
00:51:43,733 --> 00:51:45,533
Speaker 17: so I don't want to say no acting was required

992
00:51:45,573 --> 00:51:48,133
Speaker 17: that day, but those images are as powerful now, I

993
00:51:48,173 --> 00:51:51,813
Speaker 17: think as they were eighty years ago. And that was

994
00:51:51,853 --> 00:51:53,253
Speaker 17: that was definitely the toughest.

995
00:51:53,053 --> 00:51:55,853
Speaker 2: Day on set. Finally, jomes, what do you hope people

996
00:51:55,893 --> 00:51:56,813
Speaker 2: get out of this film?

997
00:51:58,813 --> 00:52:01,333
Speaker 15: I mean, I think it's you know, it's it's funny.

998
00:52:01,333 --> 00:52:05,013
Speaker 17: I get asked that question, and I go back to

999
00:52:05,173 --> 00:52:08,053
Speaker 17: I worked with David finchermany years ago, and he said

1000
00:52:08,053 --> 00:52:10,413
Speaker 17: something to me that always stuck with me, which is

1001
00:52:10,453 --> 00:52:12,413
Speaker 17: that good movies make you ask questions.

1002
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:13,973
Speaker 15: Bad movies give you all the answers.

1003
00:52:14,493 --> 00:52:17,173
Speaker 17: And so I don't I think, you know, the wonderful

1004
00:52:17,173 --> 00:52:19,213
Speaker 17: thing about film is, you know, we work really hard

1005
00:52:19,213 --> 00:52:20,933
Speaker 17: and we try and make it as good as we can,

1006
00:52:21,013 --> 00:52:22,973
Speaker 17: but in the end, it belongs to the audience. So

1007
00:52:23,533 --> 00:52:25,333
Speaker 17: I think it's sort of it's up to people to

1008
00:52:25,333 --> 00:52:28,333
Speaker 17: ask their own questions, you know, whatever its spurs and them,

1009
00:52:28,333 --> 00:52:32,493
Speaker 17: whatever it makes them consider or reconsider, I think is

1010
00:52:32,533 --> 00:52:34,613
Speaker 17: a good thing. But I do think, you know, it's

1011
00:52:34,653 --> 00:52:37,493
Speaker 17: important to look backwards in order to move forwards, and.

1012
00:52:37,973 --> 00:52:40,173
Speaker 15: You know, we forget this, we forget the past.

1013
00:52:40,293 --> 00:52:42,893
Speaker 2: At our peril. Well, you should be immensely proud for

1014
00:52:42,973 --> 00:52:45,493
Speaker 2: what you have achieved with Nuremberg. Thank you so much

1015
00:52:45,493 --> 00:52:47,253
Speaker 2: for giving us your time and all the very best.

1016
00:52:48,013 --> 00:52:50,133
Speaker 17: Oh, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Jack,

1017
00:52:50,213 --> 00:52:50,573
Speaker 17: take care.

1018
00:52:50,853 --> 00:52:53,853
Speaker 2: That is James Vanderbilt. He is the writer and director

1019
00:52:53,933 --> 00:52:57,693
Speaker 2: of Nuremberg and it hits our cinemas this Thursday to

1020
00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:00,653
Speaker 2: scene before Don't Forget as well tomorrow morning on the

1021
00:53:00,653 --> 00:53:03,213
Speaker 2: Sunday session, Francisca Rudkin is going to be speaking to

1022
00:53:03,373 --> 00:53:06,613
Speaker 2: Russell Crowe about his performance as him and gooring now

1023
00:53:06,653 --> 00:53:09,093
Speaker 2: before eleven o'clock on News Dogs. He'd be we are

1024
00:53:09,093 --> 00:53:12,533
Speaker 2: in the garden. Plus, our personal finance expert has some

1025
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:17,093
Speaker 2: really good tips on how to choose a financial advisor.

1026
00:53:17,693 --> 00:53:19,133
Speaker 2: And I know what you're thinking. Are you going to

1027
00:53:19,133 --> 00:53:21,813
Speaker 2: ask a financial advisor how to choose a financial advisor?

1028
00:53:21,853 --> 00:53:24,013
Speaker 2: And is he going to say, well, funny you ask, Actually,

1029
00:53:24,413 --> 00:53:27,293
Speaker 2: I promise it won't be that. We'll catch up with

1030
00:53:27,333 --> 00:53:29,613
Speaker 2: him very shortly. Next up, though, your screen time picks

1031
00:53:29,653 --> 00:53:31,693
Speaker 2: for this weekend twenty one past ten.

1032
00:53:33,093 --> 00:53:36,373
Speaker 1: On your weekend Off the Right Way Saturday Morning with

1033
00:53:36,613 --> 00:53:40,293
Speaker 1: Jack dam Use Dogs Evy, it's twenty.

1034
00:53:40,013 --> 00:53:42,813
Speaker 2: Four minutes past ten. Carl Pushman is in for this

1035
00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:45,733
Speaker 2: week's screen time. Three shows to watch from the company

1036
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Speaker 2: You Couch Get a Carl Welling Jack. Let's begin with

1037
00:53:49,853 --> 00:53:52,093
Speaker 2: the final season of Stranger Things.

1038
00:53:52,693 --> 00:53:55,133
Speaker 6: It's the big news this week. The cult classic finally

1039
00:53:55,173 --> 00:53:57,453
Speaker 6: takes us back to the upside down for the last time.

1040
00:53:58,413 --> 00:54:00,853
Speaker 6: Almost we almost get all the way there, which I'll

1041
00:54:00,893 --> 00:54:03,293
Speaker 6: explain about in a second. But the hype around the

1042
00:54:03,293 --> 00:54:05,773
Speaker 6: show has just been huge. You know, Stranger Things is

1043
00:54:05,813 --> 00:54:09,333
Speaker 6: a cult classic. It was one of Netflix's first big

1044
00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:13,293
Speaker 6: global breakout hits when it launched in twenty sixteen, so

1045
00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,693
Speaker 6: it's crazy to think that it's been running for almost

1046
00:54:15,773 --> 00:54:18,253
Speaker 6: ten years, which sort of makes you feel a bit old,

1047
00:54:18,413 --> 00:54:21,813
Speaker 6: doesn't it. Yeah, that time match is on and the

1048
00:54:21,813 --> 00:54:24,853
Speaker 6: biggest suspension of disbelief you need to know now isn't

1049
00:54:24,853 --> 00:54:28,573
Speaker 6: really buying into the demonic underworld of what's going on

1050
00:54:28,653 --> 00:54:31,453
Speaker 6: in the small town of Hawkins. But it's at the

1051
00:54:31,453 --> 00:54:34,893
Speaker 6: core cast of twenty something actors are still high school age.

1052
00:54:34,893 --> 00:54:36,813
Speaker 6: They are saying to look a little bit old. So

1053
00:54:36,853 --> 00:54:39,853
Speaker 6: it is quite glad that we're in the final season

1054
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:43,173
Speaker 6: the home stretch. Now, Now that isn't a problem for

1055
00:54:43,253 --> 00:54:45,773
Speaker 6: our very own nol Fisher, who joined the cast for

1056
00:54:45,853 --> 00:54:48,973
Speaker 6: this final season. She's been tipped as our next big

1057
00:54:49,013 --> 00:54:52,693
Speaker 6: acting thing, and you might recognize her from last year's

1058
00:54:52,733 --> 00:54:57,413
Speaker 6: excellent family adventure film Bookworm, which was from Stranger Thing,

1059
00:54:57,653 --> 00:55:00,573
Speaker 6: you know, the Sorry the Strange Film Festival curator and

1060
00:55:00,653 --> 00:55:03,893
Speaker 6: Tipson where she start alongside Elijah Wood, which was just

1061
00:55:03,893 --> 00:55:06,973
Speaker 6: a great, great family film. She plays a real prominent

1062
00:55:07,053 --> 00:55:09,133
Speaker 6: part in this. You know, she's only fourteen and she

1063
00:55:09,173 --> 00:55:11,973
Speaker 6: plays a really prominent part in this final season and

1064
00:55:12,013 --> 00:55:15,893
Speaker 6: she's just great, really great. Yeah, the story picks up

1065
00:55:15,933 --> 00:55:18,733
Speaker 6: eighteen months after we last saw everyone and there was

1066
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:23,933
Speaker 6: the big apocalyptic ending. It's eighteen months on the towns

1067
00:55:23,933 --> 00:55:26,693
Speaker 6: and quarantine and the core group are sort of doing

1068
00:55:26,733 --> 00:55:30,253
Speaker 6: recon missions back into the upside down just to make

1069
00:55:30,293 --> 00:55:35,613
Speaker 6: sure that the big bad Beckner is actually demised. Whether

1070
00:55:35,653 --> 00:55:37,253
Speaker 6: it is or not, I don't know, but there's a

1071
00:55:37,293 --> 00:55:39,853
Speaker 6: lot of evilness going on still, so there's a lot

1072
00:55:39,893 --> 00:55:42,453
Speaker 6: to go. And I mentioned it wasn't quite the final time.

1073
00:55:43,213 --> 00:55:46,133
Speaker 6: Netflix are doing that thing where they split the final

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00:55:46,173 --> 00:55:47,933
Speaker 6: season and sort of tease it out. So we've got

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00:55:47,973 --> 00:55:51,853
Speaker 6: four episodes now Christmas Day, there'll be another couple, and

1076
00:55:51,893 --> 00:55:54,733
Speaker 6: then on Prime TV viewing night of New Year's Eve,

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00:55:55,213 --> 00:55:56,373
Speaker 6: the final episode drops out.

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Speaker 2: Wow, here's a curious time to drop it.

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Speaker 18: It is.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 19: Now.

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Speaker 6: What I'm thinking though, is that because we're globally we're

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00:56:04,053 --> 00:56:06,653
Speaker 6: in the upside down, that all might have and for

1084
00:56:06,773 --> 00:56:10,093
Speaker 6: us on Boxing Day or New Year's DA which actually

1085
00:56:10,133 --> 00:56:10,933
Speaker 6: works out quite well.

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00:56:11,013 --> 00:56:15,293
Speaker 2: So yeah, that would be very good. Actually, yeah, okay, cool,

1087
00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:18,413
Speaker 2: So that's a stranger thing. It's on Netflix, on Disney

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00:56:18,413 --> 00:56:20,253
Speaker 2: plus the Beatles Anthology.

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00:56:21,053 --> 00:56:23,773
Speaker 6: It's been a good run for Beatles fans lately. You know,

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00:56:23,853 --> 00:56:27,173
Speaker 6: last year we had Sir Pete's excellent Get Back, the

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00:56:27,493 --> 00:56:31,493
Speaker 6: eight hour Massive documentary which was of filming Let It Be,

1092
00:56:31,893 --> 00:56:35,453
Speaker 6: which was just amazing. Then after that there was the

1093
00:56:35,493 --> 00:56:40,333
Speaker 6: mardin Scoosese. He produced Beatles sixty four, which detailed their

1094
00:56:40,453 --> 00:56:43,293
Speaker 6: first tour of America, their big breakthrough tour in America.

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00:56:43,373 --> 00:56:46,413
Speaker 6: And now this is a remaster, you know, Sir Peeks

1096
00:56:46,413 --> 00:56:48,973
Speaker 6: back at it again. It's a big remaster of the

1097
00:56:48,973 --> 00:56:52,013
Speaker 6: Beatles Anthology series which came out back in the nineties,

1098
00:56:52,453 --> 00:56:54,933
Speaker 6: so you know, Beatles fans from back then, we'll know it.

1099
00:56:55,213 --> 00:56:57,573
Speaker 6: There's nothing new really here, well, there's one new episode

1100
00:56:57,653 --> 00:57:00,173
Speaker 6: tacked on at the end, but it's pretty much just

1101
00:57:00,293 --> 00:57:05,133
Speaker 6: a remaster of the original series, which you know, it's

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00:57:05,133 --> 00:57:08,493
Speaker 6: still brilliant. It looks amazing. Giles Martin, the son of

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00:57:08,533 --> 00:57:12,693
Speaker 6: original Beagles producer George Martin, has gone back and redone

1104
00:57:12,693 --> 00:57:14,973
Speaker 6: all the sounds, so it sounds incredible. You know, it's

1105
00:57:15,053 --> 00:57:19,853
Speaker 6: using that technology that they use to do get back,

1106
00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:24,173
Speaker 6: so it's never looked better. They never sounded better. Brilliant viewing.

1107
00:57:24,213 --> 00:57:25,933
Speaker 6: If you're a Beatles fan, Yeah, very good.

1108
00:57:25,973 --> 00:57:29,013
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's on Disney Plus, that's Beatles Anthology and

1109
00:57:29,053 --> 00:57:31,693
Speaker 2: on Tevy and Z Plus. Here we go.

1110
00:57:32,893 --> 00:57:36,333
Speaker 6: Yes, this British sitcom. It's really flown under the radar.

1111
00:57:37,533 --> 00:57:39,533
Speaker 6: It's kind of old school in some ways where it's

1112
00:57:40,053 --> 00:57:44,613
Speaker 6: a sitcom, but it's not the hand laughter you know,

1113
00:57:44,693 --> 00:57:46,613
Speaker 6: crazy wacky next door neighbor kind of thing. I thought

1114
00:57:46,693 --> 00:57:50,253
Speaker 6: does have a crazy uncle in the in the show,

1115
00:57:50,573 --> 00:57:55,093
Speaker 6: but it's it's very incredibly funny. It's dars Catherine Parkinson,

1116
00:57:55,253 --> 00:57:59,093
Speaker 6: who you might know from the very good It Crowd comedy.

1117
00:57:59,293 --> 00:58:01,053
Speaker 6: She plays sort of the same kind of character here.

1118
00:58:01,773 --> 00:58:05,213
Speaker 6: It's it's about a dysfunctional family in a British town,

1119
00:58:05,813 --> 00:58:08,493
Speaker 6: and of the show is sort of that their teenage

1120
00:58:08,533 --> 00:58:12,813
Speaker 6: sun is filming. The series constantly filming everyone, right, That

1121
00:58:12,893 --> 00:58:14,613
Speaker 6: sort gets played down a bit as it goes on.

1122
00:58:15,213 --> 00:58:17,893
Speaker 6: The real big twist that the series does so brilliantly

1123
00:58:18,453 --> 00:58:21,933
Speaker 6: is that each episode starts an absolute chaos and then

1124
00:58:21,973 --> 00:58:25,173
Speaker 6: it flashes back and you start to see how they

1125
00:58:25,293 --> 00:58:28,653
Speaker 6: ended up in these chaotic situations. So it plays around

1126
00:58:28,693 --> 00:58:31,333
Speaker 6: with the timeline, so it jumps backwards and forwards, and

1127
00:58:31,333 --> 00:58:35,533
Speaker 6: it's just really clever. And so when it finds it's groove,

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00:58:35,613 --> 00:58:38,613
Speaker 6: it is so funny. I found myself sometimes just in

1129
00:58:38,813 --> 00:58:42,613
Speaker 6: tears of laughter. It just nails it. So it's got

1130
00:58:42,613 --> 00:58:46,733
Speaker 6: a cult following. TV and Z Plus has all three seasons.

1131
00:58:47,053 --> 00:58:49,213
Speaker 6: There is a fourth season coming out next year, so

1132
00:58:49,653 --> 00:58:52,053
Speaker 6: you know it's not a dead series. It's definitely worth

1133
00:58:52,173 --> 00:58:54,093
Speaker 6: checking out. And it's incredibly funny.

1134
00:58:54,093 --> 00:58:55,893
Speaker 2: Oh it sounds really good. Okay, I'm looking forward to

1135
00:58:55,933 --> 00:58:57,333
Speaker 2: watching that. That's a bit of me. I love a

1136
00:58:57,373 --> 00:59:00,133
Speaker 2: British to come anyway, So that's here we go. That's

1137
00:59:00,133 --> 00:59:02,653
Speaker 2: on TV and Z Plus. The Beatles Anthology is on

1138
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:06,373
Speaker 2: Disney Plus and Stranger Things. The final season is streaming

1139
00:59:06,733 --> 00:59:08,813
Speaker 2: on Netflix. All of those shows will be on the

1140
00:59:08,853 --> 00:59:10,613
Speaker 2: news Talks He'd website, and of course you can hear

1141
00:59:10,653 --> 00:59:14,773
Speaker 2: more from Karl on his sub stack. It's called screen crack.

1142
00:59:15,453 --> 00:59:17,613
Speaker 2: Just come up to ten thirty you with News Talks EDB.

1143
00:59:22,413 --> 00:59:26,453
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

1144
00:59:26,773 --> 00:59:27,813
Speaker 1: on News Talks EDB.

1145
00:59:30,093 --> 00:59:41,213
Speaker 20: Cool cool down cool down cool cool cool cool cool cool.

1146
00:59:41,013 --> 00:59:43,853
Speaker 2: Me down cool cool.

1147
00:59:45,213 --> 00:59:48,853
Speaker 15: Cool cool cool cool.

1148
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:55,293
Speaker 2: Longer days and better weather are on top of us,

1149
00:59:55,453 --> 00:59:59,093
Speaker 2: I think, and for those of us that are active relaxes,

1150
00:59:59,493 --> 01:00:02,373
Speaker 2: that can only mean one thing. The summer festival season

1151
01:00:02,453 --> 01:00:05,253
Speaker 2: has arrived and there is no shortage of news about

1152
01:00:05,373 --> 01:00:07,973
Speaker 2: festies that aren't going to make it over the line

1153
01:00:08,013 --> 01:00:11,053
Speaker 2: this year. But big events like Rhythm and Vines, Electric

1154
01:00:11,093 --> 01:00:14,413
Speaker 2: Avenue and Laneway are going ahead and are promising to

1155
01:00:14,533 --> 01:00:19,773
Speaker 2: deliver chart topping headliners like Chapel Rhan Kid Cuddy to

1156
01:00:19,893 --> 01:00:24,293
Speaker 2: swarms of people that pack out and enjoy the festivals.

1157
01:00:24,613 --> 01:00:29,733
Speaker 2: But while huge gigs can be energizing and flambuoyant, New

1158
01:00:29,813 --> 01:00:33,733
Speaker 2: Zealand's actually really really good at delivering under the radar,

1159
01:00:33,933 --> 01:00:37,853
Speaker 2: intimate festivals and in the round regions and pockets that

1160
01:00:38,333 --> 01:00:41,253
Speaker 2: don't usually get those kinds of crowds. Our Music Review

1161
01:00:41,373 --> 01:00:42,813
Speaker 2: is going to be with a performer day to day

1162
01:00:43,253 --> 01:00:45,933
Speaker 2: to celebrate the smaller side of things on the festival

1163
01:00:46,013 --> 01:00:50,653
Speaker 2: front and discuss just how our music festival landscape is

1164
01:00:50,773 --> 01:00:55,933
Speaker 2: shaping up for the summer. Jack says Thomas on an email.

1165
01:00:56,893 --> 01:00:59,293
Speaker 2: I've read all about the Nuremberg Trials, an extraordinary piece

1166
01:00:59,333 --> 01:01:01,493
Speaker 2: of history that's often overlooked when we think about World

1167
01:01:01,493 --> 01:01:05,053
Speaker 2: War II. Very much. Enjoyed your interview with the director

1168
01:01:05,093 --> 01:01:07,773
Speaker 2: of Nuremberg this morning and can't wait to see the film.

1169
01:01:07,813 --> 01:01:11,093
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting actually to see how the

1170
01:01:11,133 --> 01:01:14,933
Speaker 2: film's received, but also how Russell Crowe's performance is received

1171
01:01:15,173 --> 01:01:20,293
Speaker 2: in Nuremberg. The thing though, that had the biggest impact

1172
01:01:20,373 --> 01:01:24,333
Speaker 2: on me watching the film, as amazing as Russell Crowe was,

1173
01:01:25,493 --> 01:01:29,853
Speaker 2: was the real archival footage. I was surprised, actually, I

1174
01:01:29,893 --> 01:01:31,893
Speaker 2: think I've probably only seen it once or twice before,

1175
01:01:31,933 --> 01:01:35,893
Speaker 2: but the archival footage of concentration camps at the end

1176
01:01:35,933 --> 01:01:37,373
Speaker 2: of the war. I mean it's just, you know, the

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Speaker 2: most appalling and affecting images, you know, probably the most

1178
01:01:41,533 --> 01:01:44,293
Speaker 2: appalling and affecting images known to our species. So yeah,

1179
01:01:44,533 --> 01:01:46,573
Speaker 2: you know, be prepared for that. When you're at Nuremberg

1180
01:01:46,853 --> 01:01:48,853
Speaker 2: as well when you're seeing it, because seeing it on

1181
01:01:48,933 --> 01:01:51,293
Speaker 2: the big screen will be an experience. I'm sure ninety

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01:01:51,333 --> 01:01:53,093
Speaker 2: two ninety two is our text number if you want

1183
01:01:53,133 --> 01:01:55,693
Speaker 2: to send us a message. We're in the garden with

1184
01:01:55,853 --> 01:01:58,453
Speaker 2: all sorts of summer color for you very shortly. But

1185
01:01:58,613 --> 01:02:02,453
Speaker 2: next up our text Bert is in with a little

1186
01:02:02,493 --> 01:02:05,013
Speaker 2: bit of interesting information about a couple of New Zealand

1187
01:02:05,053 --> 01:02:06,893
Speaker 2: banks and the ways in which they might be keeping

1188
01:02:06,933 --> 01:02:10,733
Speaker 2: an eye on what you do on your phone, the

1189
01:02:10,853 --> 01:02:13,053
Speaker 2: headlines and the hard questions.

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Speaker 1: It's the mic asking.

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Speaker 21: Breakfast finance minister heaping pressure on the retail banks, host

1192
01:02:17,213 --> 01:02:19,453
Speaker 21: reserve van cashweight move to pass on those cuts in full.

1193
01:02:19,533 --> 01:02:21,853
Speaker 21: Will Are they Bruce Patma's loan market mortgage advisor?

1194
01:02:21,973 --> 01:02:23,053
Speaker 2: Have they No, not at all.

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01:02:23,173 --> 01:02:25,813
Speaker 19: They're holding some really good margins. We can see that

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01:02:25,973 --> 01:02:28,053
Speaker 19: given they're paying one and a half percent cash. If

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01:02:28,093 --> 01:02:30,013
Speaker 19: you've moved to them, I'd like to them pass them

1198
01:02:30,053 --> 01:02:30,893
Speaker 19: on the full criptlip.

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Speaker 21: So, if you're in the Nikola Willis camp that these

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01:02:33,133 --> 01:02:35,853
Speaker 21: guys are not good actors and they're not playing their part,

1201
01:02:36,133 --> 01:02:38,693
Speaker 21: this is evidence to suggest Niccola might be onto something.

1202
01:02:38,533 --> 01:02:41,933
Speaker 19: That absolutely breakout for a client for three years at

1203
01:02:41,933 --> 01:02:44,773
Speaker 19: four twenty grand. At the moment, you're now only getting

1204
01:02:44,813 --> 01:02:46,973
Speaker 19: four points even nine for three year. That tells me

1205
01:02:47,093 --> 01:02:49,013
Speaker 19: that they could be doing three years of at least.

1206
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Speaker 4: Four and a half.

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Speaker 21: Back Monday from six am the Mic Asking Breakfast with

1208
01:02:53,133 --> 01:02:55,013
Speaker 21: Avida News Talk ZEDB.

1209
01:02:55,133 --> 01:02:57,493
Speaker 2: Twenty three minutes two eleven on News Talk to EDB.

1210
01:02:58,293 --> 01:03:01,333
Speaker 2: A couple of New Zealand banks are now forcing behavioral

1211
01:03:01,533 --> 01:03:05,853
Speaker 2: and device tracking onto their customers. I had absolutely no

1212
01:03:06,093 --> 01:03:09,573
Speaker 2: idea about this whatsoever, but Paul Spain is all over

1213
01:03:09,693 --> 01:03:13,093
Speaker 2: the details. He's the chief executive of Guerrilla Technology and

1214
01:03:13,093 --> 01:03:15,333
Speaker 2: he's here with us this morning. Get I Paul, Good

1215
01:03:15,373 --> 01:03:16,733
Speaker 2: morning Jack. So what's the deal.

1216
01:03:18,333 --> 01:03:20,973
Speaker 18: Well, I had a few people send me some info

1217
01:03:21,013 --> 01:03:23,733
Speaker 18: about this during the week, and I thought this isn't

1218
01:03:23,773 --> 01:03:25,773
Speaker 18: really a big deal. I mean, who cares if they

1219
01:03:25,853 --> 01:03:28,973
Speaker 18: track how you move your phone around and you know,

1220
01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:32,813
Speaker 18: how you swipe and whatnot. But as I dug into it,

1221
01:03:33,293 --> 01:03:39,333
Speaker 18: it's actually concerning me because there's a lot of information

1222
01:03:40,373 --> 01:03:42,773
Speaker 18: that they gather down to the apps that you might

1223
01:03:42,853 --> 01:03:46,693
Speaker 18: be running on your phone in some cases, and they

1224
01:03:47,093 --> 01:03:51,533
Speaker 18: create what's I guess, a biometric behavioral profile on you,

1225
01:03:52,253 --> 01:03:55,813
Speaker 18: and so that data if it gets lost, which we

1226
01:03:56,213 --> 01:03:59,053
Speaker 18: kind of know that, you know, organizations aren't very good

1227
01:03:59,053 --> 01:04:03,653
Speaker 18: at securing private data, can create a problem because really,

1228
01:04:03,693 --> 01:04:06,573
Speaker 18: as an individual person, it's a little bit like a

1229
01:04:06,693 --> 01:04:11,733
Speaker 18: fingerprint or something else. It's unlikely to really change much

1230
01:04:11,933 --> 01:04:15,533
Speaker 18: during your lifetime. So if that information is lost, then

1231
01:04:16,333 --> 01:04:19,093
Speaker 18: you know that comes out of your control. But then

1232
01:04:19,173 --> 01:04:21,933
Speaker 18: there are concerns around what else could they do with

1233
01:04:22,053 --> 01:04:26,693
Speaker 18: this information if they're tracking all the apps that you run,

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01:04:26,813 --> 01:04:30,093
Speaker 18: for instance, are you installing some apps that they don't

1235
01:04:30,133 --> 01:04:33,453
Speaker 18: think fits the risk profile? Maybe you've got a gambling

1236
01:04:33,493 --> 01:04:36,933
Speaker 18: app or a dating app, pawn crypto, whatever it is

1237
01:04:37,013 --> 01:04:41,213
Speaker 18: that they think kind of changes the risk profile. So

1238
01:04:41,373 --> 01:04:44,613
Speaker 18: they're going to use all of this data and then

1239
01:04:45,013 --> 01:04:49,093
Speaker 18: decide whether you can use use their banking services.

1240
01:04:50,173 --> 01:04:53,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about this, ah and a whole

1241
01:04:53,213 --> 01:04:55,053
Speaker 2: lot of you know, there haven't been a lot of

1242
01:04:55,093 --> 01:04:56,533
Speaker 2: publicity about it necessarily.

1243
01:04:58,293 --> 01:05:01,333
Speaker 18: No, Well, when I looked I saw that I think

1244
01:05:01,333 --> 01:05:05,973
Speaker 18: it was Westpac as well or on this and they

1245
01:05:06,093 --> 01:05:09,853
Speaker 18: disc loased it back in twenty twenty three, so it's

1246
01:05:09,893 --> 01:05:13,293
Speaker 18: actually been floating around for a time. But it's one

1247
01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:16,333
Speaker 18: of those things that you know, it comes up in

1248
01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:20,213
Speaker 18: the terms and conditions for using using your apps, and

1249
01:05:21,333 --> 01:05:24,413
Speaker 18: you know, you see so many things and you have

1250
01:05:24,613 --> 01:05:28,973
Speaker 18: to accept them otherwise you can't you can't use online banking. Yeah,

1251
01:05:29,133 --> 01:05:31,573
Speaker 18: so it's one of those things that's it's probably just

1252
01:05:32,213 --> 01:05:35,213
Speaker 18: you know, slipped by most of us, but yeah, certainly

1253
01:05:35,333 --> 01:05:39,173
Speaker 18: raising a few concerns out there. And as we sort

1254
01:05:39,173 --> 01:05:43,053
Speaker 18: of see the digitization of everything, you know, it's just

1255
01:05:43,173 --> 01:05:46,013
Speaker 18: this sort of slow crawl where there's more and more

1256
01:05:46,653 --> 01:05:48,933
Speaker 18: systems that are surveiling us in one way or another.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:05:49,453 --> 01:05:53,773
Speaker 2: True, So that's very interesting. Hey, Warner, as in the

1259
01:05:53,813 --> 01:05:56,573
Speaker 2: big publishing company, has just signed a new AI deal

1260
01:05:56,693 --> 01:05:59,893
Speaker 2: with Suno, So tell us about it. Yeah, so this

1261
01:06:00,053 --> 01:06:00,573
Speaker 2: is interesting.

1262
01:06:00,693 --> 01:06:04,773
Speaker 18: Soon o' see website you can go to and you know, basically,

1263
01:06:05,213 --> 01:06:08,293
Speaker 18: you know, fill in a few few details and it'll

1264
01:06:08,373 --> 01:06:11,493
Speaker 18: create some music for you, a song in any style

1265
01:06:11,733 --> 01:06:14,333
Speaker 18: and the lyrics, the you know, the whole thing, and

1266
01:06:14,613 --> 01:06:18,773
Speaker 18: it's it's it sounds pretty amazing the output. But of

1267
01:06:18,853 --> 01:06:22,333
Speaker 18: course the way that they are operating this is AI.

1268
01:06:22,733 --> 01:06:25,413
Speaker 18: Just like all of the other AI systems, it's trained

1269
01:06:25,573 --> 01:06:28,613
Speaker 18: on what's out there, and this of course has got

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01:06:28,653 --> 01:06:33,053
Speaker 18: the musicians and the publishers all up and arms. So

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01:06:33,173 --> 01:06:36,973
Speaker 18: we've had a number of court cases going on, and yeah,

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01:06:37,013 --> 01:06:40,253
Speaker 18: here we are with a with a deal being signed

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01:06:40,333 --> 01:06:45,693
Speaker 18: between Suno and and Warner Music which will enable their

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01:06:45,853 --> 01:06:50,613
Speaker 18: artists to be able to opt in to having the

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01:06:50,853 --> 01:06:55,893
Speaker 18: AI use use their their sound, their voice, their their

1276
01:06:56,013 --> 01:06:58,533
Speaker 18: style and to create new music.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why any artists that agree up to this,

1278
01:07:02,293 --> 01:07:04,213
Speaker 2: I mean, would agree to this just I mean, maybe

1279
01:07:04,213 --> 01:07:06,693
Speaker 2: they're getting paid gazillions of dollars for it, but really

1280
01:07:06,773 --> 01:07:10,413
Speaker 2: would if you're an artist who's you know, had international success,

1281
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:13,773
Speaker 2: would you want your voice being used by other people

1282
01:07:13,933 --> 01:07:17,653
Speaker 2: creating music without your explicit oversight.

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Speaker 18: Well, that's effectively we kind of what we've had to date, Right,

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Speaker 18: it's been a whild west. There's been no regulation, so

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Speaker 18: you you have had an element of that going on

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Speaker 18: because it's it's trained on on all those voices. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 18: I'm really curious how this plays out. Will there be

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Speaker 18: any big artists who who jump on and support there

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Speaker 18: being a proliferation of effectively cloning of their music?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 18: Will we see this bring new music from artists that

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Speaker 18: have that have passed away? If we got the next

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Speaker 18: you know, new album coming from a you know, a

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Speaker 18: Michael Jackson or Elvis Presley or something. Right, Yeah, these

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Speaker 18: these are some of the sorts of possibilities that are

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Speaker 18: out there. And yeah, I think there's probably a few

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Speaker 18: questions as to, yeah, whether this makes sense or not,

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Speaker 18: but you know, I think it's going to happen in

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Speaker 18: some form.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I suppose at least this way, the artists

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Speaker 2: are going to be paid something. Thank you for that, boy,

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Speaker 2: that's very interesting. That is Paul Spain, the chief executive

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Speaker 2: of Guerrilla Technology, filling in for our texpert segment this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's seventeen to eleven on News Talks. He'd

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Speaker 2: be our personal finance expert. Is going to tell us

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Speaker 2: how to find a personal finance expert in a couple

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Speaker 2: of minutes on News talksp.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks FB.

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Speaker 5: Guy.

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Speaker 2: Jack read the use of biometrics and scam and for

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Speaker 2: protection for bank customers, there are guardrails in place. It's

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Speaker 2: effective as a tool in the wider suite of things

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Speaker 2: that banks are putting in place to help protect customers

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Speaker 2: and scams. Jack re Nuremberg. The film give a shout

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Speaker 2: out to the based New Zealand editor Tom Eagles, who

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Speaker 2: edited the film. I didn't know he'd done that. So

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Speaker 2: Tom edited what we do in the Shadows Hunt for

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Speaker 2: the Wilder People. He's done lots of stuff with Jamaine

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Speaker 2: Clemant and takeaways. He did Wellington Paranormal and that kind

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Speaker 2: of thing as well. Jojo Rabbit, I think, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: hadn't realized that he had edited. Hadn't realized he'd edited

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Speaker 2: in Nuremberg as well, So that is fantastical. Key we

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Speaker 2: connection the second one if you include Russell Crowe fourteen

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Speaker 2: to eleven on new songs, he'd be time to catch

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Speaker 2: up with their personal finance expert Ed McKnight from Opie's

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Speaker 2: Partners is here this morning.

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Speaker 3: Get a ed.

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Speaker 2: Great to be here, Jack this morning. You have for

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Speaker 2: us advice on choosing the right type of financial advisor,

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01:09:47,213 --> 01:09:49,813
Speaker 2: and let me guess. Let me guess the right type

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Speaker 2: of financial advisor is called Ed McKnight and works for

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Speaker 2: Opie's Partners.

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Speaker 16: Well, definitely not, because I'm not actually a financial advisor.

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Speaker 16: I'm just a lowly economist.

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Speaker 9: Jack.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is critical. It is critical, right because people

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01:10:01,573 --> 01:10:03,493
Speaker 2: can with the terms. It's kind of like the difference

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01:10:03,533 --> 01:10:06,213
Speaker 2: between psychologists and psychiatrists. People can get a bit com

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Speaker 2: you sometimes.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 16: It is important because sometimes people email men say ed,

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01:10:10,613 --> 01:10:13,613
Speaker 16: can I get your advice about my situation? And I

1344
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Speaker 16: say no, because I'm not qualified to. I can tell

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01:10:16,693 --> 01:10:18,413
Speaker 16: you what's happy with the economy. But to find a

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Speaker 16: financial advisor, you've got to start by asking, well, what

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Speaker 16: type of financial advisor you are after, because it's a

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Speaker 16: bit confusing. In New Zealand, they all call themselves financial advisors,

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Speaker 16: but there are effectively five different types. You've got mortgage

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Speaker 16: advisors who help you get a home loan. You've got

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Speaker 16: insurance advisors who will sort out your house insurance or

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01:10:37,013 --> 01:10:40,893
Speaker 16: your life insurance. We've got investment advisors. These are people

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01:10:40,933 --> 01:10:43,893
Speaker 16: who help you out with shares and funds. Then you've

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Speaker 16: got property investment advisors who help you with property investment.

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Speaker 16: And then you've got people who specialize in budgeting. And

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Speaker 16: the really confusing thing in New Zealand is all of

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01:10:52,573 --> 01:10:56,333
Speaker 16: these are legally financial advisors, and they should call themselves

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Speaker 16: financial advisors, but they each specialize in one different thing.

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Speaker 16: There aren't many all rounders in New Zealand who will

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Speaker 16: do every single one of these things, because they're actually

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Speaker 16: quite complicated. So the first thing you've got to do

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01:11:08,613 --> 01:11:10,893
Speaker 16: is be like, Okay, if I want to be better

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01:11:10,973 --> 01:11:13,293
Speaker 16: with money, what does that mean. Well, if you're trying

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01:11:13,333 --> 01:11:15,853
Speaker 16: to buy a house, you probably talk to a mortgage advisor.

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Speaker 16: If you're worried about the risk that you get sick

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Speaker 16: and won't be able to earn an income, you go

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Speaker 16: and talk to an insurance advisor. But that's the first

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01:11:22,813 --> 01:11:23,653
Speaker 16: set that you go for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's a very good point five. And they

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Speaker 2: can all call themselves financial advisors quite quite a few ways.

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Speaker 2: So if you work out exactly what you need to prioritize,

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Speaker 2: so whether or not you're looking for investment advice, property

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01:11:37,173 --> 01:11:41,453
Speaker 2: investment advice, insurance advice, etc. Then you work things down

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Speaker 2: to a short.

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Speaker 16: List, that's the main thing. And you don't want to

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01:11:44,733 --> 01:11:48,813
Speaker 16: just go to one think ye they'll be okay. So

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Speaker 16: I always said people create a short list of three

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Speaker 16: names maximum, And the reason is that if you try

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Speaker 16: and create a list of ten people that you're going

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Speaker 16: to really do some due diligence on and check out,

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Speaker 16: it's just going to be too many in all likelihood

1382
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Speaker 16: you're probably not going to do anything at all. But

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Speaker 16: I think don't do one, don't do ten, three is

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Speaker 16: a really good number. Now, in terms of creating that shortlist,

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Speaker 16: my favorite thing is just to go to Google and

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Speaker 16: I'll tell you what to look for in a second.

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Speaker 16: But I also know people talk to chat, GPT, get

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Speaker 16: recommendations from friends, but also get recommendations from maybe an

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Speaker 16: advisor you're already using. The only thing I'd say about

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01:12:23,213 --> 01:12:26,933
Speaker 16: getting a recommendation from an advisor you already use is

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01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:30,733
Speaker 16: that a lot of advisors will have referral relationships. So

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Speaker 16: if you go to a mortgage advisor that you like,

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Speaker 16: you say, who should I use for insurance and investments?

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Speaker 16: They'll probably tell you to use the same person who

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01:12:37,973 --> 01:12:41,133
Speaker 16: sends them business back, and so that you're not necessarily

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Speaker 16: getting the best person, you're getting somebody who they are

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Speaker 16: mates with.

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Speaker 4: But you know, cred a.

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Speaker 16: Head to Google, check out top financial advisors, create a

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Speaker 16: little shortlist, and then you can really dig into research.

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Speaker 16: And when I say research, I'm not just talking about

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01:12:55,453 --> 01:12:58,613
Speaker 16: going to their website and seeing do they have pretty

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01:12:58,693 --> 01:13:01,653
Speaker 16: pictures or not? Or do I like the colors on

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01:13:01,773 --> 01:13:04,533
Speaker 16: the website. I think there are five things that you

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01:13:04,573 --> 01:13:07,453
Speaker 16: should look at, but the most important one is something

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01:13:07,493 --> 01:13:09,893
Speaker 16: that your eyes will glaze over at. It's called a

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Speaker 16: disclosure statement. Now legally, legally, every financial advisor in the

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Speaker 16: country must have a disclosure statement on their website. Now

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Speaker 16: you might be like, oh, ed, what does that mean.

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01:13:20,293 --> 01:13:23,253
Speaker 16: Isn't that interesting? Well, it's very important because a lot

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Speaker 16: of financial advisors in New Zealand won't charge you a

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Speaker 16: fee and said they'll earn a commission maybe from the

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01:13:28,573 --> 01:13:31,453
Speaker 16: bank if you decide to get a mortgage from them,

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01:13:31,613 --> 01:13:34,493
Speaker 16: or from an insurance company if you decide to get

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Speaker 16: insurance from them. And on that disclosure statement it must

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Speaker 16: say how the advisor is paid, any conflicts of interests,

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Speaker 16: what services they provide, and which product providers they use,

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Speaker 16: whether it's banks or insurance companies. Now you might decide

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Speaker 16: that actually, I want to use a mortgage advisor who's

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Speaker 16: got as many banks as possible. Or you might say, well,

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Speaker 16: why is it that this insurance advisor is only using

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01:13:55,533 --> 01:13:58,413
Speaker 16: one insurance company. That means that they can't really give

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01:13:58,493 --> 01:14:01,893
Speaker 16: me advice about the best insurance company for me or

1424
01:14:01,933 --> 01:14:05,693
Speaker 16: the right one. So definitely head to the disclosure statement

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01:14:05,733 --> 01:14:08,293
Speaker 16: on their website, and also make sure you're checking out

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01:14:08,573 --> 01:14:12,333
Speaker 16: do they can they prove their expertise to me? So

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01:14:12,693 --> 01:14:15,253
Speaker 16: is there any content? Are there any qualifications that tell

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01:14:15,333 --> 01:14:16,773
Speaker 16: me actually they are good at their job?

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01:14:17,173 --> 01:14:19,253
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, And then from that point, I guess your

1430
01:14:19,453 --> 01:14:21,253
Speaker 2: book meetings and work out if it's the right fit.

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01:14:21,933 --> 01:14:25,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, book three meetings. Figure out who's who's you respect

1432
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:27,533
Speaker 16: enough to give you good advice and who gels with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Hey, thanks so much, Ed, have a

1434
01:14:29,413 --> 01:14:31,413
Speaker 2: great weekend. We'll make sure all of it's tips are

1435
01:14:31,533 --> 01:14:33,213
Speaker 2: up on the news Talks website as well, so you

1436
01:14:33,293 --> 01:14:35,173
Speaker 2: can work through them stage by stage.

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Speaker 1: Gardling with steel Shaft's battery system kits get a second

1438
01:14:39,293 --> 01:14:40,693
Speaker 1: battery half price, ah.

1439
01:14:40,653 --> 01:14:44,413
Speaker 2: Man and the Gardener's rude climb passed, Gollo.

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Speaker 4: How are you good?

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01:14:47,333 --> 01:14:50,213
Speaker 11: Thank you? You seen any pollinators yet at your place?

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01:14:50,373 --> 01:14:50,573
Speaker 4: Ah?

1443
01:14:51,253 --> 01:14:53,853
Speaker 2: I think I've said a few pollinators. Sort of sounds

1444
01:14:53,853 --> 01:14:56,373
Speaker 2: slightly euphimistic when you've put it on those terms, doesn't it.

1445
01:14:56,693 --> 01:14:59,213
Speaker 11: Yes, Yeah, I know, I know it was nearly off

1446
01:14:59,453 --> 01:15:01,813
Speaker 11: off of whatever it was nearly off.

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01:15:02,013 --> 01:15:04,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I know things. It has to be said.

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Speaker 2: Things are going very well at the at the in

1449
01:15:07,253 --> 01:15:09,333
Speaker 2: the time garden at the moment, not very well. They're

1450
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:11,893
Speaker 2: never going very well, but they're going reasonably well, and

1451
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:15,453
Speaker 2: that everything is flowering, except I've got this weird situation.

1452
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Speaker 3: Right.

1453
01:15:16,013 --> 01:15:18,693
Speaker 2: So I've got a jacaranda tree, and you know the

1454
01:15:18,733 --> 01:15:21,213
Speaker 2: jacaranda trees just grow like anything, right, So I've got

1455
01:15:21,253 --> 01:15:24,013
Speaker 2: a jacaranda tree and it's flowered. So I've got all

1456
01:15:24,093 --> 01:15:27,573
Speaker 2: the beautiful purple flower but for some reason, about two

1457
01:15:27,653 --> 01:15:30,613
Speaker 2: thirds of the tree has no none of its green foliage.

1458
01:15:31,173 --> 01:15:33,253
Speaker 2: So after winter, the green folige just didn't come back.

1459
01:15:33,293 --> 01:15:35,533
Speaker 2: So it's just kind of bear. It's very strange.

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01:15:36,813 --> 01:15:39,013
Speaker 11: I wonder what happened that. Oh god, it could be

1461
01:15:39,053 --> 01:15:40,893
Speaker 11: all sorts of troubles, to be quite honest, I know.

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01:15:41,693 --> 01:15:44,573
Speaker 2: But but but the things that don't have the green

1463
01:15:44,693 --> 01:15:48,933
Speaker 2: foliage have flowered, No that they have flowers, So it's

1464
01:15:49,013 --> 01:15:49,933
Speaker 2: very it's very weird.

1465
01:15:50,253 --> 01:15:52,773
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, no, there might there might be something to

1466
01:15:52,893 --> 01:15:54,973
Speaker 11: do with your root zone at the underneath, you know

1467
01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:58,093
Speaker 11: that it doesn't get the feeding through that particular bud.

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01:15:58,453 --> 01:16:01,493
Speaker 11: It might be just something like that. That's really I

1469
01:16:01,613 --> 01:16:03,293
Speaker 11: really need to go and see that one day and

1470
01:16:03,493 --> 01:16:05,453
Speaker 11: see what happens, because it could be a die back,

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01:16:05,533 --> 01:16:08,733
Speaker 11: I suppose, but anyway, yeah, this is it, and a

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01:16:08,773 --> 01:16:11,173
Speaker 11: lot of plowns are at the moment flowering as you

1473
01:16:11,253 --> 01:16:14,253
Speaker 11: can see. And it's interesting because I started doing a

1474
01:16:14,293 --> 01:16:17,773
Speaker 11: bit of research of this whole. If you like stuff

1475
01:16:17,813 --> 01:16:20,853
Speaker 11: that you do with these pollinators, and sometimes you do

1476
01:16:21,013 --> 01:16:26,733
Speaker 11: a biotic or sometimes biotic pollination, and a biotic has

1477
01:16:26,813 --> 01:16:29,533
Speaker 11: to do with wind movements, so that the wind actually

1478
01:16:29,613 --> 01:16:32,853
Speaker 11: does the pollination. But what I'm talking about, of course,

1479
01:16:32,933 --> 01:16:36,493
Speaker 11: are my favorite bugs, you know, the you name it,

1480
01:16:38,293 --> 01:16:43,253
Speaker 11: butterflies to bumblebees, to flies, to beetles. There's an incredible

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01:16:43,253 --> 01:16:46,453
Speaker 11: amount of pollinators in everybody's garden and they are doing

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01:16:46,853 --> 01:16:50,213
Speaker 11: so well. And I love that sort of stuff, So

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01:16:50,333 --> 01:16:54,693
Speaker 11: that's number one. But when you're yeah, yeah, but when

1484
01:16:54,813 --> 01:16:58,453
Speaker 11: birds are getting involved in pollinating, they are not really

1485
01:16:58,533 --> 01:17:02,333
Speaker 11: looking for bluish plants, if you like. They're looking more

1486
01:17:02,413 --> 01:17:07,293
Speaker 11: for reddish flowers because they can see a lot better

1487
01:17:07,573 --> 01:17:11,373
Speaker 11: than insects. Insects se blue, right, That's it's a really

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01:17:11,453 --> 01:17:16,173
Speaker 11: cool way to look at these things. So only ten

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01:17:16,293 --> 01:17:20,293
Speaker 11: percent of birds, or only ten percent of the pollinators

1490
01:17:20,373 --> 01:17:22,573
Speaker 11: are birds. That's not that much if you think about it,

1491
01:17:23,173 --> 01:17:25,613
Speaker 11: But if you look at tui and bell bird and

1492
01:17:25,693 --> 01:17:28,493
Speaker 11: things like that, and silver ice. Those are the ones

1493
01:17:28,573 --> 01:17:31,453
Speaker 11: that are doing the gig and you know with co

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Speaker 11: five flax, right and all that sort of stuff. That's

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01:17:34,413 --> 01:17:37,533
Speaker 11: how it works. And what's really interesting is, and this

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01:17:37,693 --> 01:17:39,293
Speaker 11: is one of the things I want to tell people,

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01:17:39,733 --> 01:17:43,173
Speaker 11: when you see, for instance, blackbirds having a go in

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01:17:43,333 --> 01:17:47,733
Speaker 11: your fijoa trees, it looks as if the blackbird goes

1499
01:17:47,773 --> 01:17:52,253
Speaker 11: for those red fijoa trees flowers and totally destroys them.

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01:17:53,013 --> 01:17:56,973
Speaker 11: It's not. They do the most efficient way of pollinating there.

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01:17:57,013 --> 01:17:59,493
Speaker 2: You are, of course, of course, because you need to

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01:17:59,573 --> 01:18:02,253
Speaker 2: pine out with the fajos. You're right, okay, oh very good,

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01:18:02,293 --> 01:18:04,733
Speaker 2: thank you, sir. Rout climb passed in the garden for

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01:18:04,853 --> 01:18:07,613
Speaker 2: us after leaving a clock. If you're in the garden

1505
01:18:08,493 --> 01:18:11,013
Speaker 2: and you're already worried about your water usages, thing starts

1506
01:18:11,053 --> 01:18:13,693
Speaker 2: to dry up, We've got some top water saving hacks

1507
01:18:13,733 --> 01:18:16,333
Speaker 2: for you heading into summer. News is next though it's

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01:18:16,333 --> 01:18:18,893
Speaker 2: almost eleven o'clock. I'm Jack Tame and this is News Talks.

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01:18:18,933 --> 01:18:19,213
Speaker 4: He'd be.

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01:18:25,053 --> 01:18:28,853
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack tam keeping the conversation going through

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01:18:28,933 --> 01:18:30,373
Speaker 1: the weekend US talk.

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01:18:30,253 --> 01:18:30,573
Speaker 5: Said b.

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01:18:54,173 --> 01:18:56,893
Speaker 2: More an you're a Jack Tame on News Talks dB.

1514
01:18:57,053 --> 01:19:00,053
Speaker 2: I hope wherever you are that you aren't in the

1515
01:19:00,173 --> 01:19:02,853
Speaker 2: unfortunate position of having been waiting for an A three

1516
01:19:02,973 --> 01:19:08,133
Speaker 2: twenty flight sometime this morning and now find yourself amongst

1517
01:19:08,173 --> 01:19:13,413
Speaker 2: the throngs, the overflowing crowds at airports around the country

1518
01:19:13,973 --> 01:19:16,333
Speaker 2: as they try and work through the various delays. What

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01:19:16,693 --> 01:19:19,853
Speaker 2: a fiasco. Here's my tip though, and it comes courtesy

1520
01:19:19,973 --> 01:19:23,373
Speaker 2: of my mother, of all people. So mum was traveling

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01:19:23,413 --> 01:19:25,493
Speaker 2: this week and she was hit by a whole series

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01:19:25,533 --> 01:19:28,093
Speaker 2: of delays. I think she was delayed twice or maybe

1523
01:19:28,133 --> 01:19:30,093
Speaker 2: even three times. She was trying to get back to

1524
01:19:30,133 --> 01:19:32,293
Speaker 2: Nelson from Australia, so she was in Australia, got back

1525
01:19:32,293 --> 01:19:33,893
Speaker 2: to Auckland, then tried to fly down to Nelson and

1526
01:19:33,893 --> 01:19:35,973
Speaker 2: then the flight got turned around halfway and she had

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01:19:36,013 --> 01:19:37,933
Speaker 2: to come back to Auckland. And anyway, they were big delays.

1528
01:19:38,493 --> 01:19:42,933
Speaker 2: But everyone who had similarly been affected and had been

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01:19:42,973 --> 01:19:46,893
Speaker 2: delayed found themselves in the airport late at night, like

1530
01:19:47,533 --> 01:19:50,813
Speaker 2: ten ten pm at night, and there was one counter

1531
01:19:50,973 --> 01:19:53,813
Speaker 2: open right to go on, like rebook your flights and

1532
01:19:53,853 --> 01:19:56,173
Speaker 2: find accommodation all of that, and so people were lined

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01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:58,213
Speaker 2: up at the counter, and then all of a sudden,

1534
01:19:58,333 --> 01:20:02,853
Speaker 2: after however long, maybe fifteen or twenty minutes, another employee

1535
01:20:02,933 --> 01:20:06,053
Speaker 2: came along and opened the counter next to the counter

1536
01:20:06,093 --> 01:20:08,853
Speaker 2: that were already open, and it just so happened that

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01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:11,213
Speaker 2: the people who had been at the back of the line,

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01:20:11,293 --> 01:20:15,533
Speaker 2: including my mum, were now closest to the new counter

1539
01:20:15,773 --> 01:20:18,253
Speaker 2: that was opening. Right now, you know what the efforts

1540
01:20:18,293 --> 01:20:20,053
Speaker 2: are like at the best of times, but people go

1541
01:20:20,133 --> 01:20:22,613
Speaker 2: a bit crazy when they're traveling, and understandably so, there's

1542
01:20:22,613 --> 01:20:25,253
Speaker 2: a lot of emotions sometimes involved with travel, but also

1543
01:20:25,293 --> 01:20:29,293
Speaker 2: they're just exhausted, and I think it's a stimulat Tree

1544
01:20:29,733 --> 01:20:32,493
Speaker 2: overload traveling, isn't it a lot of the time, like

1545
01:20:32,573 --> 01:20:34,533
Speaker 2: you just you're there are a lot of people, there

1546
01:20:34,573 --> 01:20:36,893
Speaker 2: are these announcements being made, there are lots of lights

1547
01:20:36,933 --> 01:20:38,453
Speaker 2: and dah dah, it can be it can just be

1548
01:20:38,533 --> 01:20:43,213
Speaker 2: an overwhelming kind of stimulat Tree experience. Anyway, when the

1549
01:20:43,373 --> 01:20:45,933
Speaker 2: second counter opened and Mum found herself at the back

1550
01:20:45,933 --> 01:20:48,013
Speaker 2: of the line now suddenly being in a position to

1551
01:20:48,173 --> 01:20:50,093
Speaker 2: zip over and bet the front of the new line.

1552
01:20:51,133 --> 01:20:54,453
Speaker 2: Being the former school teacher she is, at the top

1553
01:20:54,533 --> 01:20:58,933
Speaker 2: of her voice, she called out, excuse me, everyone, I

1554
01:20:59,173 --> 01:21:03,733
Speaker 2: propose that we move over in exactly the same order

1555
01:21:03,853 --> 01:21:07,893
Speaker 2: that we are currently in. And when she made this

1556
01:21:08,053 --> 01:21:10,453
Speaker 2: proposition to all of the other people who'd been lined

1557
01:21:10,533 --> 01:21:15,373
Speaker 2: up alongside her in the queue, everyone spontaneously broke out

1558
01:21:15,573 --> 01:21:18,773
Speaker 2: in applause. So pleased that were they with this suggestion,

1559
01:21:19,973 --> 01:21:22,693
Speaker 2: Because you know how it is like the civility of

1560
01:21:22,773 --> 01:21:25,373
Speaker 2: the moment is kind of hanging by a thread, right.

1561
01:21:25,693 --> 01:21:27,533
Speaker 2: You just know that if all of a sudden, people

1562
01:21:27,613 --> 01:21:29,693
Speaker 2: have been delayed for hours and had their weekend plans

1563
01:21:29,693 --> 01:21:32,893
Speaker 2: totally destroyed and all of that suddenly see an injustice,

1564
01:21:32,933 --> 01:21:34,333
Speaker 2: they go from being at the front of the line

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01:21:34,373 --> 01:21:36,253
Speaker 2: to the back of the line, They're going to lose

1566
01:21:36,293 --> 01:21:38,413
Speaker 2: their minds. Things are going to get really ugly. So

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01:21:38,493 --> 01:21:42,013
Speaker 2: mum reckoned that almost everyone moved across in an orderly fashion.

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01:21:42,213 --> 01:21:45,773
Speaker 2: There was even an older passenger who found themselves in

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01:21:45,813 --> 01:21:47,853
Speaker 2: the new line and was feeling pretty tired and said

1570
01:21:48,253 --> 01:21:51,413
Speaker 2: loudly to everyone, now, I'm not looking to cut the line.

1571
01:21:51,453 --> 01:21:52,933
Speaker 2: I'm just going to go and sit over here for

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01:21:53,013 --> 01:21:55,573
Speaker 2: a moment and wait my turn. And everyone said, oh no,

1573
01:21:55,893 --> 01:21:57,173
Speaker 2: don't do that. You can go to the front of

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01:21:57,173 --> 01:21:59,093
Speaker 2: the line. Everyone sort of agreed, no, it's fair enough.

1575
01:21:59,253 --> 01:22:00,893
Speaker 2: You know you're an older passenger. You can go to

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01:22:00,933 --> 01:22:03,333
Speaker 2: the front of the line. And the person said, absolutely not,

1577
01:22:03,813 --> 01:22:07,053
Speaker 2: I will be waiting here for my turn alongside everyone else.

1578
01:22:08,453 --> 01:22:10,653
Speaker 2: Civility breeds civility breeds civility.

1579
01:22:10,733 --> 01:22:11,133
Speaker 8: There you go.

1580
01:22:11,413 --> 01:22:13,773
Speaker 2: Maybe if you are stuck in the queues caused by

1581
01:22:13,813 --> 01:22:16,453
Speaker 2: this big A three twenty out today, you can take

1582
01:22:16,493 --> 01:22:19,013
Speaker 2: a leaf out of my mum's book and if anyone

1583
01:22:19,093 --> 01:22:21,813
Speaker 2: asks you why you are bellowing at the crowds in

1584
01:22:21,933 --> 01:22:24,053
Speaker 2: the airport, to tell them that Jack Thames mum has

1585
01:22:24,093 --> 01:22:27,453
Speaker 2: worked out that's the best way to maintain civility. Before

1586
01:22:27,533 --> 01:22:29,413
Speaker 2: midday on news talks, there'd be we're going to look

1587
01:22:29,453 --> 01:22:32,293
Speaker 2: at the start of some of the summer music festivals.

1588
01:22:32,333 --> 01:22:34,333
Speaker 2: Plus we've got your book picks for this weekend right

1589
01:22:34,373 --> 01:22:36,613
Speaker 2: now though it is just coming up to eleven minutes

1590
01:22:36,653 --> 01:22:40,773
Speaker 2: past eleven, Jacka, and that means it's time to catch

1591
01:22:40,853 --> 01:22:44,693
Speaker 2: up with our sustainability expert Kate hall Ak Ethically, Kate

1592
01:22:44,853 --> 01:22:48,573
Speaker 2: is here with us this morning. Kilda. You know, I

1593
01:22:48,653 --> 01:22:52,213
Speaker 2: think for many people around New Zealand, the last year,

1594
01:22:52,373 --> 01:22:55,093
Speaker 2: well maybe not the last year, but certainly winter and

1595
01:22:55,253 --> 01:22:57,573
Speaker 2: spring has been pretty damp to say the least. But

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01:22:57,693 --> 01:22:59,853
Speaker 2: given this as New Zealand, you just know that in

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01:22:59,893 --> 01:23:01,973
Speaker 2: about six weeks time, half the country's going to be

1598
01:23:02,053 --> 01:23:03,973
Speaker 2: in drought. We're all going to be facing water restrictions.

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01:23:04,653 --> 01:23:08,253
Speaker 2: It's going to be like it's feastal famine. So this

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01:23:08,413 --> 01:23:12,413
Speaker 2: morning you have some really useful practical water saving hacks

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01:23:12,453 --> 01:23:13,493
Speaker 2: as we prepare for summer.

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01:23:14,133 --> 01:23:17,413
Speaker 12: Yes, let's start them now early so we can start

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01:23:17,453 --> 01:23:20,613
Speaker 12: practicing them and really make them part of our daily habits,

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01:23:20,773 --> 01:23:22,773
Speaker 12: because just like you said, we only get to a

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01:23:22,853 --> 01:23:25,773
Speaker 12: point as usual where we have water restrictions and it

1606
01:23:25,813 --> 01:23:27,453
Speaker 12: would be great, but already.

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01:23:27,133 --> 01:23:28,093
Speaker 2: Up to day totally.

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01:23:28,893 --> 01:23:31,373
Speaker 12: So some of the kind of main ones we can

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01:23:31,453 --> 01:23:35,053
Speaker 12: do is collecting water in your shower. So during summer,

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01:23:35,053 --> 01:23:36,733
Speaker 12: I can have a bucket in the bottom of the

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01:23:36,773 --> 01:23:38,613
Speaker 12: shower so when you're warming up the water, waiting for

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01:23:38,693 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 12: it to go warm, or even just you know it's

1613
01:23:41,173 --> 01:23:44,373
Speaker 12: picking up little bits of water from your shower, do

1614
01:23:44,493 --> 01:23:46,573
Speaker 12: that and grab that bucket and pour it on your

1615
01:23:46,613 --> 01:23:49,093
Speaker 12: garden to water your plants that.

1616
01:23:53,173 --> 01:23:53,933
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah.

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01:23:54,013 --> 01:23:56,253
Speaker 12: Have it in the corner, you know, move it, move

1618
01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:57,413
Speaker 12: it to the side.

1619
01:23:57,493 --> 01:23:59,333
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's very good.

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01:23:59,893 --> 01:24:02,693
Speaker 12: Yeah, placing a bowl in the sink can be really

1621
01:24:02,733 --> 01:24:06,653
Speaker 12: helpful too, so when you're washing dishes, you're it's in

1622
01:24:06,773 --> 01:24:08,613
Speaker 12: fruit and good juice things like that. You can also

1623
01:24:08,693 --> 01:24:11,933
Speaker 12: use that water for watering plants. I think that watering

1624
01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:15,053
Speaker 12: plants things, you can set up all these sorts of

1625
01:24:15,133 --> 01:24:19,733
Speaker 12: different gray water catchment things so that your plants can

1626
01:24:19,813 --> 01:24:22,733
Speaker 12: be watered without taking fresh water from the hose.

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01:24:22,853 --> 01:24:23,813
Speaker 9: Is key.

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01:24:25,533 --> 01:24:28,773
Speaker 12: Again when you are watering plants, watering them in cool hours,

1629
01:24:28,973 --> 01:24:32,493
Speaker 12: so morning or the evening, it just stops evaporation, so

1630
01:24:32,613 --> 01:24:35,253
Speaker 12: you're able to really make use of that water.

1631
01:24:35,493 --> 01:24:37,733
Speaker 2: There's such a such a big as lying obvious obviously,

1632
01:24:37,773 --> 01:24:40,773
Speaker 2: but it's such a biggie Like it's crazy how quickly

1633
01:24:40,813 --> 01:24:43,973
Speaker 2: stuff evaporates, and once once the real the sun has

1634
01:24:44,013 --> 01:24:46,973
Speaker 2: that real kind of summer bite, it's just it's crazy.

1635
01:24:47,413 --> 01:24:47,653
Speaker 1: It is.

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01:24:47,733 --> 01:24:51,413
Speaker 12: It just soaks up everything. Yeah, and obviously when you're

1637
01:24:51,533 --> 01:24:53,573
Speaker 12: watering them and focusing on the roots and just I

1638
01:24:53,613 --> 01:24:56,213
Speaker 12: guess it's just being really mindful of where the water

1639
01:24:56,333 --> 01:24:59,933
Speaker 12: is going and making sure that your plants are getting water. Though,

1640
01:25:00,413 --> 01:25:02,493
Speaker 12: you know, hopefully if you are collecting a lot of

1641
01:25:02,573 --> 01:25:05,213
Speaker 12: water from your sink in your shower, then you don't

1642
01:25:05,253 --> 01:25:08,773
Speaker 12: need to water your plants. Yeah, nice, and here showers

1643
01:25:09,133 --> 01:25:12,253
Speaker 12: short showers. I know my husband Tim hates say this.

1644
01:25:12,973 --> 01:25:16,493
Speaker 12: He loves a long shower, but aiming for three to

1645
01:25:16,573 --> 01:25:19,173
Speaker 12: four minute shower. So maybe you pick a song that

1646
01:25:19,213 --> 01:25:21,133
Speaker 12: you really like and you just put the song and

1647
01:25:21,253 --> 01:25:23,333
Speaker 12: when it's over, you know that you need to get out.

1648
01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:26,693
Speaker 2: See, that's a hard one for so many of us.

1649
01:25:26,853 --> 01:25:29,773
Speaker 2: I reckon that I have this kind of like in

1650
01:25:29,933 --> 01:25:32,973
Speaker 2: built chronometer, so I just feel like I know what

1651
01:25:33,133 --> 01:25:35,013
Speaker 2: the time is all the time, right Like, and I

1652
01:25:35,173 --> 01:25:36,933
Speaker 2: know I've got a really good sense of how long

1653
01:25:36,973 --> 01:25:38,533
Speaker 2: a minute is and how long three minutes is and

1654
01:25:38,573 --> 01:25:40,333
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing. But I feel like my

1655
01:25:40,453 --> 01:25:43,093
Speaker 2: inbuilt chronometer just goes to the dogs the moment I

1656
01:25:43,133 --> 01:25:45,653
Speaker 2: speak aside the shower. Yeah, all of a sudden, I'm like, ah,

1657
01:25:46,253 --> 01:25:48,093
Speaker 2: heels like two minutes I step out, and I'm like, oh,

1658
01:25:48,173 --> 01:25:51,333
Speaker 2: it was about eleven about that, you know, I know. Yeah,

1659
01:25:52,093 --> 01:25:56,173
Speaker 2: sometimes sometimes this is a bad confessional, But sometimes, oh

1660
01:25:56,213 --> 01:25:58,293
Speaker 2: my god, I'm a thirty eight year old man, and

1661
01:25:58,413 --> 01:26:00,053
Speaker 2: yet sometimes when I know I've going to get out

1662
01:26:00,093 --> 01:26:01,973
Speaker 2: of the shower, I count down in my head from

1663
01:26:02,013 --> 01:26:05,653
Speaker 2: twenty so I got twenty nineteen eighteen, and when I

1664
01:26:05,733 --> 01:26:09,973
Speaker 2: get to the loaners sometimes I go five four and

1665
01:26:10,013 --> 01:26:18,133
Speaker 2: a half or three and a half quarter. Oh my god,

1666
01:26:18,253 --> 01:26:20,773
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this is just ridiculous. But yes, trying

1667
01:26:20,813 --> 01:26:22,853
Speaker 2: to have shorter showers some mon is actually easier in

1668
01:26:22,893 --> 01:26:23,733
Speaker 2: summer as well.

1669
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:27,173
Speaker 12: Yes, that's true, that's true. You're craving like a warm

1670
01:26:27,293 --> 01:26:30,613
Speaker 12: shower lest yes, but if you do things like make

1671
01:26:30,653 --> 01:26:33,413
Speaker 12: sure you have a water efficient shower heads that can

1672
01:26:33,493 --> 01:26:36,973
Speaker 12: be really helpful. So there's actually I need to check

1673
01:26:37,013 --> 01:26:39,493
Speaker 12: if they're still around, but there's free like water audits

1674
01:26:40,253 --> 01:26:42,693
Speaker 12: that are part of a group that E can matters

1675
01:26:42,733 --> 01:26:44,933
Speaker 12: I think used to do and I remember they came

1676
01:26:44,973 --> 01:26:46,773
Speaker 12: in and they checked all of our shower heads and

1677
01:26:46,813 --> 01:26:49,933
Speaker 12: everything to see what the flow was. And through them

1678
01:26:50,013 --> 01:26:55,053
Speaker 12: you can get subsidy off like cheaper shower heads. Right, okay, yeah,

1679
01:26:55,133 --> 01:26:58,293
Speaker 12: more water efficient. So making sure you know, if you

1680
01:26:58,373 --> 01:27:03,733
Speaker 12: do know that your your shower it's really outdated. Yeah,

1681
01:27:04,133 --> 01:27:06,493
Speaker 12: making sure maybe updating your shower heads in and you

1682
01:27:06,533 --> 01:27:09,613
Speaker 12: can have a longer shower potentially and feel less guilty.

1683
01:27:09,853 --> 01:27:13,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Things like making sure you know run your

1684
01:27:13,653 --> 01:27:16,053
Speaker 2: washing machine and your dishwasher when it's actually full as

1685
01:27:16,093 --> 01:27:18,013
Speaker 2: opposed to two thirds full. I suppose.

1686
01:27:18,173 --> 01:27:20,533
Speaker 12: I mean we should always be doing that, but I think,

1687
01:27:20,853 --> 01:27:23,813
Speaker 12: especially once we're getting into summer, if we start doing

1688
01:27:23,853 --> 01:27:26,253
Speaker 12: the stuff now, then it will be easier for us

1689
01:27:26,773 --> 01:27:31,013
Speaker 12: when we do have more water and restrictions that we're

1690
01:27:31,053 --> 01:27:32,533
Speaker 12: already in good habits.

1691
01:27:32,773 --> 01:27:32,973
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1692
01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:35,373
Speaker 2: No, that's great, great stuff. Thank you so much. We'll

1693
01:27:35,373 --> 01:27:37,933
Speaker 2: put those suggestions on the news website, of course, and

1694
01:27:38,013 --> 01:27:40,973
Speaker 2: you can find Kate on social media. She is ethically Kate.

1695
01:27:41,813 --> 01:27:41,973
Speaker 14: Ah.

1696
01:27:42,253 --> 01:27:44,733
Speaker 2: Here you go, Jack, I love your mum already he's

1697
01:27:44,813 --> 01:27:46,253
Speaker 2: muzz and that makes two of us muzz.

1698
01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:46,533
Speaker 14: Thank you.

1699
01:27:47,213 --> 01:27:49,053
Speaker 2: NY two sixteen past eleven.

1700
01:27:50,693 --> 01:27:53,373
Speaker 1: Travel with Windy Woo Tours Where the World.

1701
01:27:53,453 --> 01:27:54,573
Speaker 11: Is Yours book now.

1702
01:27:55,253 --> 01:27:58,093
Speaker 2: Mike Hardley is our travel correspond and he's giving things

1703
01:27:58,253 --> 01:27:59,973
Speaker 2: close to home this weekend, which is great.

1704
01:28:00,133 --> 01:28:04,253
Speaker 8: Good Mike, Good morning Jack. No way three twenties for

1705
01:28:04,373 --> 01:28:05,053
Speaker 8: me today, No.

1706
01:28:06,413 --> 01:28:09,613
Speaker 2: Media twenties for anyone? What a fact? What do you

1707
01:28:09,613 --> 01:28:11,413
Speaker 2: think of my mum's plan?

1708
01:28:11,533 --> 01:28:11,693
Speaker 9: Though?

1709
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:15,973
Speaker 8: My mom's Yeah, Lincoln High School will be so proud.

1710
01:28:16,293 --> 01:28:20,813
Speaker 2: I know you, I think, like is it? Can can

1711
01:28:20,853 --> 01:28:23,853
Speaker 2: one recommend one's own motherhood for a dame hood. Is

1712
01:28:23,893 --> 01:28:25,573
Speaker 2: that is that a mother for a damehood?

1713
01:28:25,653 --> 01:28:25,773
Speaker 11: Is that?

1714
01:28:25,893 --> 01:28:26,413
Speaker 2: Is that possible?

1715
01:28:26,413 --> 01:28:26,453
Speaker 14: We?

1716
01:28:26,493 --> 01:28:30,613
Speaker 8: Actually, I think so, Jack, I reckon the US Transportation Secretary,

1717
01:28:30,653 --> 01:28:34,133
Speaker 8: mister Duffy could be interesting, missus tame, because he's been

1718
01:28:34,213 --> 01:28:37,013
Speaker 8: big on the civility front, and part of his focus

1719
01:28:37,173 --> 01:28:40,173
Speaker 8: is trying to do people from turning up to airports

1720
01:28:40,213 --> 01:28:42,133
Speaker 8: and pajamas, which is a bit tragic.

1721
01:28:43,493 --> 01:28:46,853
Speaker 2: I do think though, maybe maybe there's something for the

1722
01:28:46,933 --> 01:28:50,133
Speaker 2: airport staff in this, Like maybe if if you have

1723
01:28:50,253 --> 01:28:51,733
Speaker 2: one of those you know, you know what I mean,

1724
01:28:51,813 --> 01:28:54,133
Speaker 2: Right when one counter's open, everyone cues up and then

1725
01:28:54,173 --> 01:28:57,693
Speaker 2: another counter opens, run across, and we're all tempted to run, right,

1726
01:28:57,733 --> 01:29:00,693
Speaker 2: But if they said, if the person said, we're going

1727
01:29:00,773 --> 01:29:03,573
Speaker 2: to be opening counter too, if you can please move

1728
01:29:03,613 --> 01:29:07,133
Speaker 2: across in the same order you're in now, that way,

1729
01:29:07,253 --> 01:29:09,493
Speaker 2: no one feels No one feels ropped. You might be

1730
01:29:09,533 --> 01:29:11,173
Speaker 2: a bit peeved that you're at the back of the line,

1731
01:29:11,173 --> 01:29:15,053
Speaker 2: but you're not feeling like you've been served a massive injustice. Right,

1732
01:29:15,173 --> 01:29:16,533
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think exactly.

1733
01:29:17,013 --> 01:29:17,213
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1734
01:29:17,453 --> 01:29:21,333
Speaker 2: Anyway, this morning you had a selection of summer holiday

1735
01:29:21,493 --> 01:29:25,173
Speaker 2: hits across New Zealand. So what has wheat your Appetite

1736
01:29:25,853 --> 01:29:27,853
Speaker 2: in Tarmaki, Mikoto the O nine Auckland.

1737
01:29:28,853 --> 01:29:30,973
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it's interesting that over summer, Jack, I think

1738
01:29:31,013 --> 01:29:34,293
Speaker 8: it is the primetime summer sport that makes the city shine.

1739
01:29:34,973 --> 01:29:37,773
Speaker 8: You're obviously the tennis in January, and if you're wondering

1740
01:29:37,773 --> 01:29:41,373
Speaker 8: about sale GP, they've changed the date so it's actually

1741
01:29:41,453 --> 01:29:44,133
Speaker 8: going to row back into town in February next year

1742
01:29:45,093 --> 01:29:48,733
Speaker 8: for the Auckland GP. Something that I really want to

1743
01:29:48,813 --> 01:29:51,293
Speaker 8: check out over summer in Auckland's at the Art Gallery,

1744
01:29:51,333 --> 01:29:54,053
Speaker 8: and I reckon you'd be into this too. Hop to

1745
01:29:54,533 --> 01:29:59,453
Speaker 8: present American art from the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts.

1746
01:29:59,773 --> 01:30:03,413
Speaker 8: It's a very well regarded museum, and what they've done

1747
01:30:03,493 --> 01:30:08,173
Speaker 8: is they've brought over to Auckland about fifty headline works

1748
01:30:09,173 --> 01:30:11,973
Speaker 8: very much based around American pop art, which I love.

1749
01:30:12,093 --> 01:30:16,093
Speaker 8: So you've got things like Jackson Pollock's iconic drip painting,

1750
01:30:16,613 --> 01:30:20,693
Speaker 8: all sorts of luminary s feature like Andie Warhol, Roy Lichtenstein.

1751
01:30:20,813 --> 01:30:23,533
Speaker 8: So I reckon a bit of that sounds pretty good.

1752
01:30:23,733 --> 01:30:28,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice, that'd be great. Speaking of speaking of good

1753
01:30:28,373 --> 01:30:30,493
Speaker 2: exhibitions and ones, I want to see Wellington's got that

1754
01:30:30,573 --> 01:30:33,813
Speaker 2: new Fat Freddy's exhibition and Fat Freddy's Dropper is marking

1755
01:30:33,893 --> 01:30:35,333
Speaker 2: a notable anniversary.

1756
01:30:36,613 --> 01:30:39,933
Speaker 8: Oh this sounds like it, do not miss, particularly if

1757
01:30:40,013 --> 01:30:43,653
Speaker 8: you are capital bound. Wellington Museum is playing host of this.

1758
01:30:43,813 --> 01:30:47,933
Speaker 8: I love Wellington Museum. It's full of so much local quirk.

1759
01:30:48,053 --> 01:30:51,053
Speaker 8: It really sort of celebrates the soul of the city.

1760
01:30:51,253 --> 01:30:55,093
Speaker 8: And this is such a classic specimen, Fat Freddie's drop

1761
01:30:55,613 --> 01:30:58,813
Speaker 8: based on a true story. Yes, twenty years down the track.

1762
01:30:58,893 --> 01:31:04,133
Speaker 8: So they've done a tailor made exhibition which opened last

1763
01:31:04,173 --> 01:31:08,213
Speaker 8: week and it explores the cultural impact of Fat Freddy's

1764
01:31:08,293 --> 01:31:11,373
Speaker 8: landmark album, which of course went straight to number one.

1765
01:31:11,573 --> 01:31:16,373
Speaker 8: It remains the longest charting album in New Zealand history,

1766
01:31:17,333 --> 01:31:19,533
Speaker 8: clocking up over two years in the top forty.

1767
01:31:19,653 --> 01:31:20,533
Speaker 4: I did not know that.

1768
01:31:20,893 --> 01:31:24,453
Speaker 8: So, yeah, if you're going to Wellington, immerse yourself in

1769
01:31:24,493 --> 01:31:26,653
Speaker 8: the music and the magic and the memories of a

1770
01:31:26,733 --> 01:31:28,373
Speaker 8: true Wellington original.

1771
01:31:28,653 --> 01:31:31,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah too, Right, that's certainly something I'm going to

1772
01:31:31,773 --> 01:31:33,453
Speaker 2: be doing. On'm there a few days after Christmas, so

1773
01:31:33,493 --> 01:31:35,653
Speaker 2: I reckon I'll put that on the latter. When does

1774
01:31:35,733 --> 01:31:38,453
Speaker 2: the Festival of Lights kick off in New Plymouth?

1775
01:31:39,453 --> 01:31:39,573
Speaker 4: Oh?

1776
01:31:39,693 --> 01:31:42,853
Speaker 8: This this is a big, big jack. Yes, three weeks

1777
01:31:42,933 --> 01:31:46,333
Speaker 8: tonight and it will be twinkling for six weeks. This

1778
01:31:46,533 --> 01:31:50,213
Speaker 8: thing is so popular. About one hundred and fifty thousand

1779
01:31:50,213 --> 01:31:53,653
Speaker 8: people flock to the summer spectacle like moths to the

1780
01:31:53,773 --> 01:31:56,253
Speaker 8: flame and New Plymouth. Half of them are actually from

1781
01:31:56,293 --> 01:31:59,653
Speaker 8: out of town, so it really is a big people

1782
01:31:59,733 --> 01:32:03,093
Speaker 8: attractor for the Naki. I've been several times and it

1783
01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:05,893
Speaker 8: just seems to get bigger and more in vent to

1784
01:32:05,973 --> 01:32:10,173
Speaker 8: be every year. Absurdly gorgeous lighting installations. It's kind of

1785
01:32:10,413 --> 01:32:16,773
Speaker 8: like a cross between Disneyland and Copenhagen's Tivoli Gardens. And

1786
01:32:16,933 --> 01:32:20,413
Speaker 8: it's the globe boats on the lake in Poki Kuda

1787
01:32:20,493 --> 01:32:23,613
Speaker 8: Park that is the best way to soak up the

1788
01:32:23,653 --> 01:32:27,093
Speaker 8: surrounding splendor. So yes, if you're in Taranaki, do not

1789
01:32:27,413 --> 01:32:28,173
Speaker 8: miss the lights.

1790
01:32:28,533 --> 01:32:32,173
Speaker 2: There are some really great beach carnivals as well, strang

1791
01:32:32,253 --> 01:32:34,053
Speaker 2: across the country. So what would you recommend?

1792
01:32:35,373 --> 01:32:37,773
Speaker 8: Well, I have been on to you for quite some

1793
01:32:37,893 --> 01:32:41,893
Speaker 8: few years about the Caroline Bay Carnival, So that returns

1794
01:32:41,973 --> 01:32:44,653
Speaker 8: in tomorrow on Boxing Day for its fortnight of frolics.

1795
01:32:45,213 --> 01:32:50,333
Speaker 8: One hundred and fifteen years it will be celebrating this time. Yeah,

1796
01:32:50,493 --> 01:32:53,053
Speaker 8: but aside from the Timuru Classic, which is new Zealand's

1797
01:32:53,053 --> 01:32:56,253
Speaker 8: biggest beach carnival. There are actually quite a few on

1798
01:32:56,373 --> 01:33:01,693
Speaker 8: the calendar, so or Panaki Wahi Beach, Fitty Younger, I

1799
01:33:01,773 --> 01:33:04,893
Speaker 8: think at Cook's Beach in Fitty Younger and Kaitira Chi.

1800
01:33:05,413 --> 01:33:08,733
Speaker 8: They all have beach carnivals in the first half of January.

1801
01:33:09,333 --> 01:33:11,973
Speaker 8: And Impact in something that I actually checked out last January.

1802
01:33:12,013 --> 01:33:14,613
Speaker 8: It's actually really good. It runs for a couple of

1803
01:33:14,733 --> 01:33:17,973
Speaker 8: nights the annual Maritime Festival, so they hold it on

1804
01:33:18,133 --> 01:33:20,213
Speaker 8: the foreshore and picked and they have some really cool

1805
01:33:20,253 --> 01:33:24,373
Speaker 8: things like raft races in the harbor. So yeah, that's

1806
01:33:24,413 --> 01:33:25,613
Speaker 8: on in mid January and Pickton.

1807
01:33:25,693 --> 01:33:28,653
Speaker 2: Okay, superb. But what about some quirky summer festivals.

1808
01:33:29,813 --> 01:33:32,373
Speaker 8: Yes, well, I was struck by your chat earlier this morning,

1809
01:33:32,453 --> 01:33:39,173
Speaker 8: Jack about avocado as a dessert producing catti catties, evofest.

1810
01:33:39,893 --> 01:33:43,093
Speaker 8: So this is right in the nations at Pocado Capital

1811
01:33:43,613 --> 01:33:46,613
Speaker 8: set down for January ten, there will be lots of

1812
01:33:46,653 --> 01:33:50,213
Speaker 8: cooking demos with celebrity chefs, delectable drinks and tasty food,

1813
01:33:50,373 --> 01:33:53,893
Speaker 8: including avocado ice cream.

1814
01:33:54,013 --> 01:33:59,733
Speaker 2: Okay, look, I for some reason, I if I logically

1815
01:33:59,813 --> 01:34:03,613
Speaker 2: step it out, I like avocados. Avocado's nutty and rich

1816
01:34:03,853 --> 01:34:07,093
Speaker 2: and creamy like I can see you know what I mean.

1817
01:34:07,253 --> 01:34:10,813
Speaker 2: I can see how it does work as a dessert.

1818
01:34:11,293 --> 01:34:13,453
Speaker 2: But for some reason, I still hear avocado dessert and

1819
01:34:13,493 --> 01:34:16,333
Speaker 2: I think, I think it's going to make dessert healthy.

1820
01:34:16,613 --> 01:34:17,493
Speaker 2: And that's not the purpose.

1821
01:34:17,533 --> 01:34:20,533
Speaker 8: It needs. It needs georging up. It needs something else,

1822
01:34:20,613 --> 01:34:20,973
Speaker 8: doesn't it.

1823
01:34:21,093 --> 01:34:25,133
Speaker 2: It need sugar? Ye yes, yes, yeah, maybe yeah, oh

1824
01:34:25,213 --> 01:34:27,733
Speaker 2: yeah yeah no, very good. Right, So that's in Katti Cutti.

1825
01:34:28,613 --> 01:34:29,333
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

1826
01:34:30,653 --> 01:34:32,133
Speaker 8: Well, by the way, a couple of things on the

1827
01:34:32,173 --> 01:34:34,413
Speaker 8: West Coast if you are on the West Coast in January,

1828
01:34:34,453 --> 01:34:37,853
Speaker 8: they've got two really good gigs and once again a

1829
01:34:37,893 --> 01:34:41,053
Speaker 8: little bit quirky driftwood in sand. This is the annual

1830
01:34:41,133 --> 01:34:44,253
Speaker 8: multi day bash at Holkatka Beach, so they have all

1831
01:34:44,293 --> 01:34:47,533
Speaker 8: this drift toward continually washing in from the Tesmand Sea

1832
01:34:48,173 --> 01:34:50,493
Speaker 8: and from January twenty one, for about three or four days,

1833
01:34:51,133 --> 01:34:55,133
Speaker 8: the most extravagant competition. We are all sorts of crazy

1834
01:34:55,213 --> 01:35:02,093
Speaker 8: people construct the most whimsical, grand scale sculptural artworks on

1835
01:35:02,253 --> 01:35:06,053
Speaker 8: the beach. It is absolutely superb. And on January ten

1836
01:35:06,093 --> 01:35:09,413
Speaker 8: on the West Coast, Big day for the horse. He's

1837
01:35:09,973 --> 01:35:13,413
Speaker 8: the legendary Kimata Gold Nuggets race day. If you want

1838
01:35:13,453 --> 01:35:15,973
Speaker 8: to go to a summer horse race day, you cannot

1839
01:35:16,013 --> 01:35:19,853
Speaker 8: beat this. It is just frothing with West Coast Spirit,

1840
01:35:20,293 --> 01:35:24,253
Speaker 8: White Baite, Fritter's Galore. It's really family friendly. My father's

1841
01:35:24,293 --> 01:35:27,973
Speaker 8: horse actually won the feature race a year ago, so

1842
01:35:28,813 --> 01:35:31,093
Speaker 8: I think Trey Bond is heading back to try and

1843
01:35:31,133 --> 01:35:34,453
Speaker 8: defend his title. And they actually win gold nuggets with

1844
01:35:34,613 --> 01:35:37,333
Speaker 8: the Kimmata, so they actually do get real nuggets.

1845
01:35:37,373 --> 01:35:37,493
Speaker 9: I know.

1846
01:35:37,773 --> 01:35:41,173
Speaker 2: Oh how good? Ye ask how many gold nuggets? I mean,

1847
01:35:41,213 --> 01:35:43,653
Speaker 2: not enough for you to have to relinquish Saturday mornings

1848
01:35:43,693 --> 01:35:43,933
Speaker 2: with us.

1849
01:35:44,173 --> 01:35:46,293
Speaker 8: No, Well, my father's part of a syndicate, so there

1850
01:35:46,333 --> 01:35:47,853
Speaker 8: was a bit of a sort of cussing of the cake,

1851
01:35:47,933 --> 01:35:51,173
Speaker 8: which got complicated cutting.

1852
01:35:50,933 --> 01:35:52,293
Speaker 2: Of the nuggets. By the time he got it, it

1853
01:35:52,413 --> 01:35:57,573
Speaker 2: was just sort of a fine dune exactly. Yeah. I've

1854
01:35:57,613 --> 01:36:00,573
Speaker 2: never done it. I've always wanted to. In Kumata, it's

1855
01:36:00,613 --> 01:36:00,853
Speaker 2: such a.

1856
01:36:01,053 --> 01:36:04,213
Speaker 8: It's a cracker day, yeah yeah, yeah. And there'll be

1857
01:36:04,293 --> 01:36:07,093
Speaker 8: people choppering down. There's all these top is that sort

1858
01:36:07,133 --> 01:36:10,013
Speaker 8: of land around Kamada from the North Island. It's like,

1859
01:36:10,133 --> 01:36:11,733
Speaker 8: oh my goodness, hello, welcome.

1860
01:36:12,053 --> 01:36:14,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh fantastic, that sounds great.

1861
01:36:14,693 --> 01:36:17,853
Speaker 8: So anything else to each Now that's all good, Jack.

1862
01:36:17,813 --> 01:36:20,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Okay, well it sounds like a great

1863
01:36:20,053 --> 01:36:22,693
Speaker 2: little lineup for summer. Thank you, Mike. What we will

1864
01:36:22,773 --> 01:36:25,493
Speaker 2: do is we'll go and put all of those up

1865
01:36:25,653 --> 01:36:28,293
Speaker 2: on the News talks HEB website. So depending on what

1866
01:36:28,413 --> 01:36:30,733
Speaker 2: you're doing this summer, depending on where you are planning

1867
01:36:30,813 --> 01:36:32,613
Speaker 2: to go, maybe you can try and get one of

1868
01:36:32,693 --> 01:36:37,573
Speaker 2: Mike's summer highlights into your summer itinery. Now before midday

1869
01:36:37,613 --> 01:36:39,893
Speaker 2: on News TALKSB, we get your book segment, including this

1870
01:36:40,013 --> 01:36:43,293
Speaker 2: new book called Driven, which is by Susie Wolf. Susie

1871
01:36:43,293 --> 01:36:45,853
Speaker 2: Wolf has kind of grown up around IF One. I

1872
01:36:46,013 --> 01:36:48,733
Speaker 2: never like to introduce someone as the wife of or

1873
01:36:48,813 --> 01:36:53,173
Speaker 2: the husband of, but she is the wife of Total

1874
01:36:53,253 --> 01:36:56,053
Speaker 2: Wolf these days. Of anyone who's a fan of IF

1875
01:36:56,133 --> 01:36:59,653
Speaker 2: one or the Netflix IF One Drive to Survive series

1876
01:36:59,693 --> 01:37:03,693
Speaker 2: will be familiar with Toto and Susie. So she's written

1877
01:37:03,693 --> 01:37:06,213
Speaker 2: her book Driven. The interesting thing, one of the many

1878
01:37:06,213 --> 01:37:08,573
Speaker 2: and interesting things about our book reviewer Catherine is that

1879
01:37:08,733 --> 01:37:11,373
Speaker 2: as well as being a total bookworm, she is a

1880
01:37:11,733 --> 01:37:15,853
Speaker 2: massive motorsport fan. And so yeah, she's going to give

1881
01:37:15,893 --> 01:37:17,773
Speaker 2: us her thoughts on that very shortly. Next up, we'll

1882
01:37:17,773 --> 01:37:19,893
Speaker 2: see what Jason Pine has planned for us on Weekend

1883
01:37:19,933 --> 01:37:22,173
Speaker 2: Sport this afternoon, just coming up to eleven thirty.

1884
01:37:26,493 --> 01:37:30,413
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team

1885
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:32,053
Speaker 1: on News Talks EDB.

1886
01:37:57,813 --> 01:38:01,213
Speaker 2: News Talks. He'd be just after eleven thirty, twenty nine

1887
01:38:01,253 --> 01:38:04,853
Speaker 2: minutes to twelve on News Talks dB. Jason Pine is

1888
01:38:05,093 --> 01:38:08,973
Speaker 2: in after midday with Weekends Sport is here now, kilder Parney.

1889
01:38:09,253 --> 01:38:13,293
Speaker 2: Hello Jack, Hey, Commonwealth Games turn back the hands of

1890
01:38:13,333 --> 01:38:16,733
Speaker 2: time and away. But no, do you know what I'm

1891
01:38:16,773 --> 01:38:18,973
Speaker 2: actually I've done. I've been on a bit of a

1892
01:38:19,053 --> 01:38:21,813
Speaker 2: journey with the Conworth Games. I look, I don't get

1893
01:38:21,893 --> 01:38:23,453
Speaker 2: quite as excited as I do with the Olympics, but

1894
01:38:23,573 --> 01:38:26,053
Speaker 2: you know the Comnworth Games have a place I think.

1895
01:38:25,933 --> 01:38:28,453
Speaker 22: They do and could that place be back here in

1896
01:38:28,493 --> 01:38:31,573
Speaker 22: New Zealand in twenty thirty four? We know unmet About

1897
01:38:31,653 --> 01:38:34,293
Speaker 22: in India will host in twenty thirty that was confirmed

1898
01:38:34,333 --> 01:38:36,573
Speaker 22: this week Glasgow with a bit of scale back games

1899
01:38:36,613 --> 01:38:39,933
Speaker 22: next year, of course, after Victoria pulled out at the

1900
01:38:40,013 --> 01:38:43,173
Speaker 22: last moment or approaching the last moment, so by the

1901
01:38:43,173 --> 01:38:45,573
Speaker 22: sound of it, twenty thirty will be scaled back up again.

1902
01:38:45,933 --> 01:38:49,453
Speaker 22: So how likely is the possibility of twenty thirty four

1903
01:38:49,893 --> 01:38:52,053
Speaker 22: being held here in New Zealand. Well, Nicky Nichol is

1904
01:38:52,093 --> 01:38:54,853
Speaker 22: the chief executive of the New Zealand Olympic Committee, so

1905
01:38:54,853 --> 01:38:56,253
Speaker 22: we've gone right to the top to find out whether

1906
01:38:56,253 --> 01:38:59,173
Speaker 22: they're serious about this and what it would mean. Is

1907
01:38:59,213 --> 01:39:01,213
Speaker 22: there a possibility, for example, that it might not be

1908
01:39:01,333 --> 01:39:04,333
Speaker 22: held all in one place? Auckland seems obvious, Jack the

1909
01:39:04,373 --> 01:39:07,013
Speaker 22: biggest city, the facilities, et cetera. If you had some

1910
01:39:07,133 --> 01:39:10,853
Speaker 22: of the other events elsewhere where there are already facilities

1911
01:39:11,373 --> 01:39:15,213
Speaker 22: for them are Velodrome in Cambridge for example, something like that.

1912
01:39:15,453 --> 01:39:18,613
Speaker 22: So you know what ins and out, who pays all

1913
01:39:18,693 --> 01:39:20,773
Speaker 22: of those sorts of things. So yeah, and the relevance

1914
01:39:20,813 --> 01:39:22,373
Speaker 22: of the Commonwealth Games, I think is also.

1915
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Speaker 2: A talking point. I mean, I'm a bit like you.

1916
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Speaker 22: They're not the Olympic Games. But we've had some magnificent

1917
01:39:27,133 --> 01:39:31,173
Speaker 22: memories down the years at Commonwealth Games and even nineteen

1918
01:39:31,333 --> 01:39:34,133
Speaker 22: ninety I mean, what's that thirty five years ago? Now

1919
01:39:34,453 --> 01:39:38,773
Speaker 22: I still remember, you know, Nicky Jenkins winning gymnastics gold.

1920
01:39:38,973 --> 01:39:42,933
Speaker 22: You know, it's thirty five years ago, and other Commonwealth

1921
01:39:42,973 --> 01:39:45,613
Speaker 22: Games memories as well, and for some athletes it is

1922
01:39:45,733 --> 01:39:48,373
Speaker 22: their pinnacle event. So look, I think they still have

1923
01:39:48,453 --> 01:39:49,973
Speaker 22: relevance and I'd love to see them come back.

1924
01:39:50,013 --> 01:39:52,813
Speaker 2: I also think that there's there's something for a lot

1925
01:39:52,893 --> 01:39:55,733
Speaker 2: of those I don't want to say like minority sports

1926
01:39:55,853 --> 01:39:58,013
Speaker 2: or off Broadway sports, but you know what I mean,

1927
01:39:58,133 --> 01:40:01,453
Speaker 2: right the sports that aren't you know, always leading the

1928
01:40:01,493 --> 01:40:05,573
Speaker 2: sports bulletins every single edition in New Zealand. Is there's

1929
01:40:05,573 --> 01:40:09,453
Speaker 2: something really special about having seeing those athletes go into

1930
01:40:09,533 --> 01:40:12,293
Speaker 2: a kind of games environment. I believe, you know, for

1931
01:40:12,373 --> 01:40:14,973
Speaker 2: sports like squash for example, that haven't been at the

1932
01:40:15,013 --> 01:40:17,173
Speaker 2: Olympics before. He has a really big deal to be

1933
01:40:17,253 --> 01:40:19,413
Speaker 2: there with lots of athletes from different sports and they

1934
01:40:19,493 --> 01:40:22,173
Speaker 2: can forward relationships and you know, I just there is

1935
01:40:22,373 --> 01:40:24,093
Speaker 2: there is something really kind of special in that. So

1936
01:40:24,213 --> 01:40:27,213
Speaker 2: I can see the value there. Hey, what are you

1937
01:40:27,373 --> 01:40:31,653
Speaker 2: thinking Liam Lawson's how do you how do you feel

1938
01:40:31,653 --> 01:40:33,733
Speaker 2: about his positioning? I know we've got last couple of

1939
01:40:33,813 --> 01:40:37,333
Speaker 2: races of the year Qatar Monday morning. He hasn't had

1940
01:40:37,413 --> 01:40:40,013
Speaker 2: a great qualifying overnight. Do you think we should be

1941
01:40:40,053 --> 01:40:42,213
Speaker 2: reading anything into the fact that they keep on delaying

1942
01:40:42,293 --> 01:40:45,573
Speaker 2: the driver confirmation for next year? Well, it's it's a

1943
01:40:45,773 --> 01:40:48,213
Speaker 2: very odd way to operate a business. For starters.

1944
01:40:48,333 --> 01:40:50,933
Speaker 22: But I think from what I've seen over the last

1945
01:40:50,973 --> 01:40:52,453
Speaker 22: couple of days some of the comments, and I'm sure

1946
01:40:52,453 --> 01:40:55,133
Speaker 22: you've seen this as well from Yuki Sonoda, he seems

1947
01:40:55,653 --> 01:40:58,293
Speaker 22: resigned to the fact that he's leaving Red Bull slash

1948
01:40:58,373 --> 01:41:01,533
Speaker 22: Racing Balls does. Yeah, So if that's the case, then

1949
01:41:01,613 --> 01:41:04,053
Speaker 22: it would it would feel as though if they promote

1950
01:41:04,093 --> 01:41:06,973
Speaker 22: had Jar up to Red Bull, that Liam Key seat

1951
01:41:07,173 --> 01:41:10,533
Speaker 22: in the Racing Balls car, and Lindblood the new, the

1952
01:41:10,613 --> 01:41:12,893
Speaker 22: new young young gun will come in to take that

1953
01:41:13,093 --> 01:41:16,213
Speaker 22: second seat. That's what it feels like to me, though, Jack,

1954
01:41:16,413 --> 01:41:20,413
Speaker 22: I've got no idea why they've waited so long. If

1955
01:41:20,893 --> 01:41:24,213
Speaker 22: the drivers themselves may know, or but if they don't,

1956
01:41:24,293 --> 01:41:26,733
Speaker 22: it's even worse because that's got to be an incredibly

1957
01:41:26,853 --> 01:41:29,133
Speaker 22: hard position for them all to be in. I guess

1958
01:41:29,173 --> 01:41:33,653
Speaker 22: it iron sharpens on or whatever the phrases iron. I

1959
01:41:33,693 --> 01:41:35,293
Speaker 22: feel like Iron's already pretty sharp.

1960
01:41:36,413 --> 01:41:36,573
Speaker 9: You know.

1961
01:41:37,093 --> 01:41:40,493
Speaker 2: It's just it's just like of all the of all

1962
01:41:40,573 --> 01:41:43,373
Speaker 2: the pressure and all the sports, right Like, obviously there

1963
01:41:43,413 --> 01:41:45,573
Speaker 2: are a lot of pressure and professional sports these days,

1964
01:41:45,613 --> 01:41:48,733
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know, if these guys make a mistake,

1965
01:41:49,013 --> 01:41:50,733
Speaker 2: they don't just lose a race, they can they can

1966
01:41:50,813 --> 01:41:54,573
Speaker 2: be killed. It like it's the stakes are about as

1967
01:41:54,693 --> 01:41:57,493
Speaker 2: high as they get in global sport, and it's like

1968
01:41:57,813 --> 01:41:59,693
Speaker 2: the owners of the team like, I know what, I'll

1969
01:41:59,773 --> 01:42:01,933
Speaker 2: get a better performance out of them, a bit more pressure,

1970
01:42:02,733 --> 01:42:04,093
Speaker 2: you know, a more pressure.

1971
01:42:04,133 --> 01:42:05,093
Speaker 4: It's just absurd to me.

1972
01:42:05,253 --> 01:42:07,813
Speaker 2: Anyway, I I understand it either. I really hope it

1973
01:42:08,053 --> 01:42:10,253
Speaker 2: thinks are obviously confirmfully and more than he does stay

1974
01:42:10,253 --> 01:42:13,373
Speaker 2: any one. But I guess we will wait and see. Hey,

1975
01:42:13,773 --> 01:42:15,933
Speaker 2: thank you very much, sir, looking forward today's afternoon, Catch

1976
01:42:15,933 --> 01:42:18,453
Speaker 2: you soon me toy. Thanks mate, Jason Pine, you'll have

1977
01:42:18,533 --> 01:42:20,813
Speaker 2: weekend sport for us right after the midday news on

1978
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Speaker 2: News talks 'b Before midday, we're going to look at

1979
01:42:23,053 --> 01:42:25,853
Speaker 2: some of these summer festivals that are just about to

1980
01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:29,213
Speaker 2: kick off in the next few days and weeks. Well,

1981
01:42:29,253 --> 01:42:31,173
Speaker 2: I guess if you if you include Christmas in the

1982
01:42:31,213 --> 01:42:33,973
Speaker 2: Park and the O three tonight, then tonight is when

1983
01:42:33,973 --> 01:42:36,533
Speaker 2: we're kicking off. We'll have your book picks for the weekend.

1984
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Speaker 1: Next Saturday morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on

1985
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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

1986
01:42:43,013 --> 01:42:46,693
Speaker 2: EDB two twelve on News Talks. He'd be our resident

1987
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Speaker 2: petrol head slash book reviewer Katherin Rains is here with

1988
01:42:50,573 --> 01:42:53,053
Speaker 2: her book picks for this weekend, and Catherine, I knew

1989
01:42:53,053 --> 01:42:55,773
Speaker 2: you would like this one driven by Susie Wolfe as

1990
01:42:55,813 --> 01:42:57,173
Speaker 2: your first pick for us this weekend.

1991
01:42:58,133 --> 01:43:01,093
Speaker 13: So Susie was born in Scotland and she was born

1992
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:04,693
Speaker 13: into a racing family. Her mother and father both raced motorcycles,

1993
01:43:04,773 --> 01:43:06,573
Speaker 13: so it was really no surprise that her and Ather

1994
01:43:07,173 --> 01:43:09,693
Speaker 13: ended up racing as well. So she started a motorcycles

1995
01:43:09,733 --> 01:43:12,253
Speaker 13: and soon switched to go karts at about the age

1996
01:43:12,293 --> 01:43:14,573
Speaker 13: of eight, and then actually she decided at the age

1997
01:43:14,613 --> 01:43:16,773
Speaker 13: of thirteen, when her uncle took her to a Formula

1998
01:43:16,853 --> 01:43:19,213
Speaker 13: three race, that she actually wanted to be a racing driver.

1999
01:43:20,173 --> 01:43:22,813
Speaker 13: So moving forward in times sort of that success in

2000
01:43:23,013 --> 01:43:25,413
Speaker 13: carting led to the next step and she was really

2001
01:43:25,493 --> 01:43:28,413
Speaker 13: poised for greatness. She was twice final for young Driver.

2002
01:43:28,533 --> 01:43:32,693
Speaker 13: They actually alongside if one greats Lewis Hamilton and Meco Rosenberg.

2003
01:43:33,253 --> 01:43:35,813
Speaker 13: And then divaster struck and she ends up slipping on

2004
01:43:35,893 --> 01:43:38,373
Speaker 13: some ice while taking her grandmother out to some shops

2005
01:43:38,453 --> 01:43:41,013
Speaker 13: on an icy night and she damages her ankle, and

2006
01:43:41,133 --> 01:43:43,373
Speaker 13: so that time that she spent healing meant that she

2007
01:43:43,493 --> 01:43:47,093
Speaker 13: had to start again and she did, and she won

2008
01:43:47,173 --> 01:43:50,373
Speaker 13: a place in a championship for DMT in Germany, and

2009
01:43:50,453 --> 01:43:52,853
Speaker 13: then she was offered a lifetime opportunity to do twenty

2010
01:43:52,933 --> 01:43:56,053
Speaker 13: five laps in an F one William's Formula one car,

2011
01:43:56,573 --> 01:43:58,693
Speaker 13: and she performed so well in that test that she

2012
01:43:58,853 --> 01:44:00,333
Speaker 13: was given a new role at the team that was

2013
01:44:00,373 --> 01:44:03,413
Speaker 13: developed just for her, and she became a William's development

2014
01:44:03,533 --> 01:44:06,613
Speaker 13: driver and she was the first woman to participate in

2015
01:44:06,813 --> 01:44:09,213
Speaker 13: F one in twenty two years, and she eventually retired

2016
01:44:09,213 --> 01:44:12,373
Speaker 13: from that in twenty fifteen. But this is a really

2017
01:44:12,533 --> 01:44:16,253
Speaker 13: interesting look at the inner workings of motorsport, her triumphs,

2018
01:44:16,373 --> 01:44:20,573
Speaker 13: the setbacks, the motivations when she switches from racing to

2019
01:44:20,653 --> 01:44:22,733
Speaker 13: the boardroom. She's now the manager of the F one

2020
01:44:22,773 --> 01:44:27,493
Speaker 13: Academy and all female racing series and partially inspired by

2021
01:44:27,533 --> 01:44:30,653
Speaker 13: her husband, Toto Wolf, who is the mind and relentless

2022
01:44:30,773 --> 01:44:35,533
Speaker 13: drive behind Mercedes F one. And it's really interesting about

2023
01:44:35,613 --> 01:44:37,853
Speaker 13: how she's been successful in her own right. She's a

2024
01:44:37,893 --> 01:44:40,853
Speaker 13: real inspiration and she starts with sort of the.

2025
01:44:40,893 --> 01:44:42,373
Speaker 5: Same and finishes with the same.

2026
01:44:42,453 --> 01:44:45,093
Speaker 13: Idea is that when you're in the car, no one

2027
01:44:45,133 --> 01:44:47,413
Speaker 13: can tell the difference between a male and female driver,

2028
01:44:47,653 --> 01:44:50,013
Speaker 13: So why do we treat them differently? And it's a

2029
01:44:50,053 --> 01:44:52,173
Speaker 13: really good point. It's one of the few sports actually

2030
01:44:52,213 --> 01:44:55,893
Speaker 13: that it just makes no difference whether your male female

2031
01:44:55,893 --> 01:44:59,133
Speaker 13: and you can race. And she did that, and yeah,

2032
01:44:59,213 --> 01:45:01,253
Speaker 13: and it's impressive. And what she's done with The F

2033
01:45:01,293 --> 01:45:03,893
Speaker 13: one Academy, which is a series of on Netflix as well,

2034
01:45:04,253 --> 01:45:05,733
Speaker 13: is also equally impressive.

2035
01:45:06,453 --> 01:45:08,293
Speaker 2: Super Well sounds really good, Okay, So, I mean, I

2036
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:09,893
Speaker 2: knew you'd be a fan of the Something Great. So

2037
01:45:10,013 --> 01:45:12,853
Speaker 2: that's driven by Susie was next up to tell us

2038
01:45:12,893 --> 01:45:15,293
Speaker 2: about Unlucky for Some by Tom Wood.

2039
01:45:16,533 --> 01:45:19,933
Speaker 13: So this is about Victor the Assassin, and it's a

2040
01:45:20,053 --> 01:45:23,853
Speaker 13: real thriller. It's got lots of grit and precision and

2041
01:45:23,973 --> 01:45:26,253
Speaker 13: it's just the enough to sort of keep you on

2042
01:45:26,533 --> 01:45:29,213
Speaker 13: edge and you think about what's going on. And so

2043
01:45:29,413 --> 01:45:32,653
Speaker 13: Victor is the world's most efficient assassin and he finds

2044
01:45:32,733 --> 01:45:36,813
Speaker 13: himself actually hurt and cornered in Sweden and in the

2045
01:45:37,013 --> 01:45:40,893
Speaker 13: very icy Scandinavian territories of Malamo. And he was there

2046
01:45:40,973 --> 01:45:44,373
Speaker 13: to penetrate a crime family headed by a guy called Hannikinson,

2047
01:45:45,053 --> 01:45:47,853
Speaker 13: and he encounters a colleague of his handler and this

2048
01:45:48,173 --> 01:45:51,933
Speaker 13: mysterious weapons procureur, a guy called scray, and there's this

2049
01:45:52,173 --> 01:45:55,973
Speaker 13: dangerous trade and were heavy metals and counterfeitschinery. So what

2050
01:45:56,133 --> 01:46:00,213
Speaker 13: began as really a simple job for him spirals into

2051
01:46:00,333 --> 01:46:04,133
Speaker 13: complete chaos in this predator and pray thing going on,

2052
01:46:04,293 --> 01:46:09,093
Speaker 13: in dangerous politics and international mess and that Scandinavian setting

2053
01:46:09,133 --> 01:46:14,253
Speaker 13: as this real cold intensity even story, and that real

2054
01:46:14,333 --> 01:46:17,493
Speaker 13: scandy no atmosphere is there, and the rusty shipping containers

2055
01:46:17,533 --> 01:46:20,573
Speaker 13: and the chemical plants and this whole dangerous backdrop to

2056
01:46:20,693 --> 01:46:23,933
Speaker 13: this game of survival. And Tom Woods just writes an

2057
01:46:24,133 --> 01:46:27,813
Speaker 13: excellent thriller. It's smart, it's full of twists, and it

2058
01:46:27,893 --> 01:46:30,013
Speaker 13: certainly gives you an edge of the seat ride, and

2059
01:46:30,093 --> 01:46:32,813
Speaker 13: it's the writings excellent. Can't recommend him high enough.

2060
01:46:32,933 --> 01:46:36,293
Speaker 2: Awesome, Okay, cool. So that's unlucky for some, unlucky for

2061
01:46:36,373 --> 01:46:39,333
Speaker 2: some by Tom would Catherine Sir's book was driven by

2062
01:46:39,453 --> 01:46:41,693
Speaker 2: Susie Wilson. Both of those will be on the website.

2063
01:46:41,733 --> 01:46:43,973
Speaker 2: Thank you, Catherine, have a great weekend and we will

2064
01:46:44,013 --> 01:46:46,653
Speaker 2: be back with you once again next week eighteen to

2065
01:46:46,773 --> 01:46:49,533
Speaker 2: twelve on newstalks 'd be the summerfesties are kicking off

2066
01:46:49,653 --> 01:46:50,973
Speaker 2: next giving you.

2067
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Speaker 1: The inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday

2068
01:46:54,853 --> 01:47:13,813
Speaker 1: Morning with Jack dam News Talks edbaj.

2069
01:47:07,173 --> 01:47:08,493
Speaker 11: I see.

2070
01:47:10,933 --> 01:47:27,133
Speaker 20: I Jesus.

2071
01:47:29,093 --> 01:47:32,093
Speaker 2: That is Sharon van Edden. She is playing at the

2072
01:47:32,173 --> 01:47:36,053
Speaker 2: Other's Way the evening that seventeen. Chris Schultz Music Rivera's

2073
01:47:36,053 --> 01:47:38,653
Speaker 2: with us this morning and you reckon Today's day, right,

2074
01:47:38,973 --> 01:47:42,173
Speaker 2: Today's the day. This is that summer thirsty season begins tonight.

2075
01:47:42,453 --> 01:47:43,213
Speaker 2: Look at this grin.

2076
01:47:43,573 --> 01:47:44,493
Speaker 6: I'm so happy.

2077
01:47:45,653 --> 01:47:47,533
Speaker 2: You literally came to the office and you're like, I'm pumped,

2078
01:47:47,533 --> 01:47:48,973
Speaker 2: and I was like, what are you excited about it?

2079
01:47:48,973 --> 01:47:52,773
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm excited. I'm not putting it on for

2080
01:47:52,853 --> 01:47:54,813
Speaker 2: the radio. No, no, no, I'm thrilled to be here.

2081
01:47:54,893 --> 01:47:57,653
Speaker 23: I've been waiting all winter for today. This feels like

2082
01:47:57,773 --> 01:48:00,253
Speaker 23: the kickoff of the summer festival season. We've got our

2083
01:48:00,293 --> 01:48:03,693
Speaker 23: first big outdoor show with Rufus de Soul at Western Springs,

2084
01:48:04,293 --> 01:48:06,733
Speaker 23: and then the one I'm going to was the k

2085
01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:09,293
Speaker 23: Road Festival The Other's Way, which is it's a bit

2086
01:48:09,293 --> 01:48:11,973
Speaker 23: of a different music festival. They take over k Road

2087
01:48:12,053 --> 01:48:15,013
Speaker 23: and about twelve venues around it. Basically you've got to

2088
01:48:15,053 --> 01:48:18,013
Speaker 23: wear running shoes and just charge between the venues trying

2089
01:48:18,013 --> 01:48:19,893
Speaker 23: to get in to see your favorite Access forty three

2090
01:48:19,973 --> 01:48:22,533
Speaker 23: acts player, right, and all of those venues they get

2091
01:48:22,773 --> 01:48:25,413
Speaker 23: maxed out really quickly. But it's just so much fun.

2092
01:48:25,893 --> 01:48:26,053
Speaker 4: You know.

2093
01:48:26,453 --> 01:48:28,413
Speaker 23: We've just got through this two week period where we've

2094
01:48:28,493 --> 01:48:31,693
Speaker 23: been dining out on nostalgia. It's been Metallica and Tull,

2095
01:48:32,293 --> 01:48:34,453
Speaker 23: Lenny Kravitz, all these acts from the nineties, and now

2096
01:48:34,493 --> 01:48:37,333
Speaker 23: we get a chance to see some new stuff. Yeah,

2097
01:48:37,453 --> 01:48:41,893
Speaker 23: so I'm really really fizzing about that. It's an interesting

2098
01:48:41,973 --> 01:48:45,453
Speaker 23: time though, to sort of survey what's ahead this summer.

2099
01:48:45,773 --> 01:48:49,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there have been some obviously been some like

2100
01:48:49,413 --> 01:48:52,413
Speaker 2: on the downsides and big announcements. I mean, You've got

2101
01:48:52,493 --> 01:48:56,173
Speaker 2: one Love has been canceled, Womad is taking a year

2102
01:48:56,333 --> 01:48:59,173
Speaker 2: off officially, although obviously that you know, I think in

2103
01:48:59,253 --> 01:49:01,533
Speaker 2: their announcement they said for Womad that you know, there

2104
01:49:01,573 --> 01:49:03,893
Speaker 2: are just big financial pressures at the moment that they're facing.

2105
01:49:03,933 --> 01:49:05,973
Speaker 2: They want to protect the future of the festival, but

2106
01:49:06,013 --> 01:49:08,333
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, obviously there's a lot of pressure

2107
01:49:08,533 --> 01:49:11,453
Speaker 2: on festival promoters and producers at the moment.

2108
01:49:11,613 --> 01:49:14,493
Speaker 23: I see music festivals as my version of the housing market.

2109
01:49:14,533 --> 01:49:17,253
Speaker 23: It's a bell weather for the economy, and if festivals

2110
01:49:17,293 --> 01:49:19,413
Speaker 23: are popping off, if tickets are selling. If there's heaps

2111
01:49:19,453 --> 01:49:22,173
Speaker 23: of them, the economy probably is doing okay. And when

2112
01:49:22,253 --> 01:49:24,733
Speaker 23: things are tracking as they are now with people taking

2113
01:49:24,813 --> 01:49:27,813
Speaker 23: years off listening, there's another festival that is often the

2114
01:49:27,853 --> 01:49:30,933
Speaker 23: first big one of the summer that didn't happen this year.

2115
01:49:31,813 --> 01:49:34,013
Speaker 23: Then the thing there's probably you know, a problem, and

2116
01:49:34,053 --> 01:49:37,453
Speaker 23: that one Love organizers did cite the economy not rebounding

2117
01:49:37,773 --> 01:49:39,453
Speaker 23: enough for them to trust that they can sell enough

2118
01:49:39,493 --> 01:49:42,213
Speaker 23: tickets to their big two day event and told Onnger.

2119
01:49:43,173 --> 01:49:43,773
Speaker 2: When you add in.

2120
01:49:43,933 --> 01:49:48,013
Speaker 23: Juicy Fests in liquidation, Timeless Tour in liquidation, and Eden

2121
01:49:48,093 --> 01:49:51,493
Speaker 23: Festival also in liquidation, it is just it's a little

2122
01:49:52,213 --> 01:49:54,613
Speaker 23: more constrained. But I would point out that some of

2123
01:49:54,693 --> 01:49:57,973
Speaker 23: these festivals have the best lineups that I've seen post

2124
01:49:58,093 --> 01:50:01,293
Speaker 23: covid R. I'm thinking about Laneway that's got Chapel Rome

2125
01:50:01,373 --> 01:50:03,973
Speaker 23: that everyone who's gone to Laneways just fizzing about that,

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Speaker 23: Rhythm and Vines has turned starf and Kid Cuddy one

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Speaker 23: of the best lineups that is almost making me consider

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Speaker 23: whether they can go and join the kids.

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Speaker 3: I know, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Almost?

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Speaker 23: And then the big one, of course Electric Avenue. This

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Speaker 23: festival in christ Church is just it's going off. It's

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Speaker 23: bigger than it's ever been. It's growing every year and

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Speaker 23: they've got the big booking of the some of the

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Speaker 23: first spit ends reunion. So yeah, it's it's tricky things

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Speaker 23: that are working or working really well, and then other

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Speaker 23: things to startn't quite getting there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like the the two ends of the

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Speaker 2: market are doing well, like the absolute biggest ones being

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Speaker 2: Lame Way's Rhythm and Vines in Electric av they're doing

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Speaker 2: really well. The small indie ones, you know, whether it's

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Speaker 2: like even having Sharon van In playing it the other's

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Speaker 2: way is amazing that that's that's fantastic.

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Speaker 23: Also sold out, by the way, yeah, nearly sold out.

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Speaker 23: I think there's the only main stage tickets for the

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Speaker 23: stage in k Roadley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so they have have that doing super well.

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Speaker 2: It's the sort of in betweeners, do you think maybe that.

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Speaker 23: Ye know, it's it's a confidence game, right, that's what

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Speaker 23: you know. If you're a promoter, you've got to take

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Speaker 23: a risk. You've got to be a bit of a gambler.

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Speaker 23: And I guess when things are a bit tight, things

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Speaker 23: are a bit gloomy, then then maybe you're less likely

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Speaker 23: to take those risks. Also, as a consumer, you want

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Speaker 23: to be guaranteed that your event's going to happen, and

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Speaker 23: when something like Juicy Fest and Timeless to and Eden Festival, yeah,

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Speaker 23: those go under and people are struggling to get refunds

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Speaker 23: for some of those.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just that. It's also that if you're

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Speaker 2: traveling for it and you've got accommodation and all of

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Speaker 2: that stuff, and you're flying in an A three twenty,

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Speaker 2: then you know it's it's an imare.

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Speaker 23: Some of these tickets are two fifty three hundred. So

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Speaker 23: one thing I would suggest that is new this summer

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Speaker 23: is that the NZPA, the New Zealand Promoters Associations, issued

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Speaker 23: a new vetting system and they've got this tack, this

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Speaker 23: logo and if you see it attached to the festival

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Speaker 23: you want to buy a ticket for. It means the

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Speaker 23: promoters have been vetted and approved and they've put on

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Speaker 23: events in the past, and that if something happens to it,

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Speaker 23: you're probably going to get your money back, right, So

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Speaker 23: you want to look out for that tic. I think

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Speaker 23: you can see it on the end said PA website.

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Speaker 2: It is good actually, just so you can have a

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Speaker 2: little bit more confidence in actually supporting these things. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: so how many are you going to do? You know,

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Speaker 2: if you've done the math.

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Speaker 23: As many as possible. I'm definitely going to the big

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Speaker 23: ones Rhythm Es.

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Speaker 6: I'm still like, oh, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think literally you are considering the Advines. I'm supposed

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Speaker 2: to be amazing, Yeah, I mean what was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be somewhere, aren't we, you know, with family Christmas. I

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Speaker 2: don't understand. No, no, it's a yeah. I mean Kik

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Speaker 2: Cuddy would be amazing and.

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Speaker 23: Tunstyle the hype kind of that's the first big, like

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Speaker 23: you know, punk rock act that that Rhythm and Vines

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01:52:41,413 --> 01:52:43,133
Speaker 23: has ever had their super high That's the only New

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01:52:43,213 --> 01:52:46,773
Speaker 23: Zealand show they and Kirkcuddy are playing. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 23: consider it. I'm going to definitely spend Christmas thinking maybe

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01:52:50,373 --> 01:52:51,053
Speaker 23: I should get there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, but those are the big ones for sure,

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Speaker 2: right yeah you'll be there? Oh oh yeah yeah that yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: very good. Okay, thank you so much. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be very interesting to see how it all goes. But

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Speaker 2: thank goodness, things are kicking off so tonight Riffs sult

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Speaker 2: Is playing Western Springs, Ay and and the others ways

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Speaker 2: on k Road of course, Thank you so much, Chris Altz.

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Speaker 2: You can find him, of course on his substack. Just

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Speaker 2: search boiler room on substack and his name will pop

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Speaker 2: right up. It's just gone nine minutes to twelve.

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Speaker 1: Craking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jata

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Speaker 2: Oh, we are just wrapping up for another Saturday morning

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Speaker 2: together on News Talks. He'll be thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for your company throughout the morning. I have to read

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Speaker 2: the news tonight, so I've got to start doing the

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Speaker 2: old doing the vocal exercises, mini mini mini mini me.

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Speaker 2: Peter Piper picked a peck of no no. I'll go

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Speaker 2: go and have a couple of hours hopefully and then

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Speaker 2: get myself sorted for that. For everything from our show,

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Speaker 2: Thanks to my wonderful producer Libby for doing the tough

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Speaker 2: stuff this morning. This afternoon, of course, Jason Pine is

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Speaker 2: going to take you through the afternoon with Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2: We are going to leave you with Rufus to solo

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Speaker 2: playing Western Springs on what is looking like a pretty

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Speaker 2: good day for it in Auckland as well.

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Speaker 14: The song is on my Knees, I will see you

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Speaker 14: next Saturday mornings to have the.

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Speaker 4: Teams to.

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Speaker 2: Bails. A change feels that my chiels me to.

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Speaker 11: Get out this change.

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Speaker 22: If you can see me.

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Speaker 2: I've grabbed let if that's a.

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Speaker 15: She's county back and da.

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Speaker 20: Looks like come home my knees again, boks like count

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Speaker 20: home my knees out game things I come on my knees.

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Speaker 1: Again that looks like I.

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Speaker 7: Comes of a games, Come my knees A game that

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Speaker 7: looks like come my ns.

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