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Speaker 1: Senior political correspondent Barry Soper joins me.

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Speaker 2: Now, good afternoon, Hello Francesca, how are you very good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, nice to see you. The Darlene Tana saga

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Speaker 1: really has been the news of the day, hasn't it.

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Speaker 2: It most certainly has. And Chloe Swarbrick she's the only

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Speaker 2: leader of the Greens on deck at the moment because

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Speaker 2: Madame and Davidson is taking time off for breast cancer

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Speaker 2: and we'll be away for most of the years. So

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Speaker 2: Chloe Swarbrick is now really feeling what the heat is

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Speaker 2: like if you're leading alone a political party, which is

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Speaker 2: what she's been doing today. It's an interesting one this

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Speaker 2: because you know, MPs have stayed on before as independents,

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Speaker 2: and there was a walker jumping piece of legislation in

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Speaker 2: the early two thousands that had a sunset clause and

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Speaker 2: it went off the statute books, but they brought another

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Speaker 2: one back in in twenty and eighteen. It's quite specific.

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Speaker 2: They have to essentially, an MP has to send a

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Speaker 2: notice to the speaker saying that they either quit the

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Speaker 2: party or they wanted to remain on as an independent

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Speaker 2: or a member of another party. So they can still

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Speaker 2: do that, but there's no other party of course that's

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Speaker 2: going to touch Darling Tana at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Has the Speaker heard from Darling yet, well, I haven't.

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Speaker 2: Been able to contact the Speaker. I think he maybe overseas,

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Speaker 2: so you know, it's the form is the They're in

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Speaker 2: recess at the moment, so I don't think anything immediate

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Speaker 2: is going to happen. But you know, I think the

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Speaker 2: Greens are not covered in glory for this because when

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Speaker 2: they hired the solicitor to do the inquiry at the

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Speaker 2: beginning in mid March, they said, you know, it'll be

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Speaker 2: a short inquiry, it won't take long, and now we

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Speaker 2: see one hundred and fifteen days Darling Tana has in

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Speaker 2: fact been in Parliament and for basically being paid for

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Speaker 2: more than half the time that she's been there without

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Speaker 2: being at work, which is pretty disgraceful and means that

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Speaker 2: she's earned over fifty thousand dollars the cost of the

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Speaker 2: report that the Greens have come up with. That's taxpayer

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Speaker 2: money as well. Even though it's out of the Greens budget,

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Speaker 2: it's still taxpayers money. So it's not a good saga

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Speaker 2: for the Greens. Don't forget Elizabeth Kerry Carey. Yes, she

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Speaker 2: defected from the Greens as well. She stayed on in

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Speaker 2: Parliament as an independent MP and the lead up to

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Speaker 2: the last election, but because it was so close, I

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Speaker 2: think there was no feeling that, you know, there was

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Speaker 2: any point in doing anything about it then. But of

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Speaker 2: course we've still got now almost two and a half

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Speaker 2: years to the next election. So I think of Darlie

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Speaker 2: and Tana. I'm sure she knows this. If she hung

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Speaker 2: on there, she'd be hanging around like a bad smell.

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Speaker 1: What do you think you're doing?

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Speaker 2: Well, if she's got an honor, she would resign and

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Speaker 2: get out of the place and make way for the

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Speaker 2: proportionality for the Greens to be maintained in Parliament and

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Speaker 2: that would mean that they would bring the next person

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Speaker 2: through on the list and that's what should happen. But

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Speaker 2: you know, who knows what this woman is thinking about

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Speaker 2: at the moment.

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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister leaves for Washington, d C. Tonight for

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Speaker 1: the NATO summit hopefully.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's meant to be going via Houston. When

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Speaker 2: you think about it, he used to run an airline,

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Speaker 2: get him. Yeah, that's right, but it is difficult. But

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Speaker 2: it's look it's an important meeting for New Zealand. We're

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Speaker 2: not a member of NATO, of course, but there are

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Speaker 2: some big names that will be there this year, like

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Speaker 2: France isn't a member of NATO either, but Emanuel macrong

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Speaker 2: is likely to be there because he's done quite a

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Speaker 2: lot of work in the lead up to this summit.

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Speaker 2: And you'll see Justin Trudeau will be there most likely,

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Speaker 2: well almost certainly he'll be there as well, So there

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Speaker 2: will be some people that Luxon would like to get alongside,

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Speaker 2: not the least a secure starmer. I think he will

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Speaker 2: most almost certainly be in Washington, and you know it'll

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Speaker 2: be an opportunity for New Zealand to get alongside the

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Speaker 2: British Bime minister.

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Speaker 1: Does he have any official meetings with them or is

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Speaker 1: it just going to be pull sides.

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Speaker 2: He's got a number of bilaterals lined up, but mainly

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Speaker 2: I think they're in Congress, and you know, he'll no

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Speaker 2: doubt get a pretty good feed on Joe Biden and

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump and where all that's at. Although I think

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Speaker 2: the world is pretty knowledgeable about where it should be at,

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Speaker 2: but whether it ends up that way or not is

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Speaker 2: another matter. I mean, Joe Biden clearly is not up

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Speaker 2: to running for president. And we had news over the

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Speaker 2: weekend that a Parkinson's doctor or specialist has been to

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Speaker 2: the White House on several occasions in recent months. And

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Speaker 2: you've only got to look at the way he walks. Franchiska.

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Speaker 2: I've had friends who have unfortunately suffered from Parkinson's and

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Speaker 2: they walk with their hands at their side, which is

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Speaker 2: a balance, and I think it's the telltale signs are

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Speaker 2: pretty masked.

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Speaker 1: So Dr Barry Soper nan diagnosis. Okay, Well there we go,

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Speaker 1: poor Joe. It will be looked really really quickly. In

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. Martin names for government departments. There's some confusion,

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Speaker 1: a bit of back and forth going on.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's all over the place actually, and you know

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Speaker 2: it was part of the New Zealand First National Party

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Speaker 2: coalition deal that New Zealand has said that they should

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Speaker 2: be done away with. And don't forget it was the

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Speaker 2: government departments themselves that decided without any consultation with the public.

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Speaker 2: I think this is an issue that should be debated

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Speaker 2: more widely, rather than ministers saying to their departments, you

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Speaker 2: make up your own minds. And apparently that is the

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Speaker 2: case and some with foreign affairs, Winston saying Arah is

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Speaker 2: not to be used under any circumstances, whereas Conservation says

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Speaker 2: it's up to you do what you like. So they've

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Speaker 2: got to have a statement and a policy that really

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Speaker 2: does control this.

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Speaker 1: Barry soper A.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure is always nice to talk to your friendships again.

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