1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the inside. Ryan Bridge new 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four on an early edition with Smith City, 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: New Zealand's Furniture Vents and a play at store us Dogs. 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: It'd be good morning, welcome to your Thursday morning before six. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: Why some young beneficiaries in fact, on average most of 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 2: them could spend twenty years on welfare in total. Gangs 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: of bashed cops at the Parmi Hospital. I'll tell you 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: more about that in New Zealand on the show this morning. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Using forestry slashed as jet fuel. Also much McCann is stateside. 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: It's six after five. The agenda this Thursday, the thirty 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: first of October. A lot of rain in Spain, torrential rain. 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: In fact, sixty two people have been killed overnight, and 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: flash flooding in the country's southeast. 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: We cannot see that this devastated episode is over. There 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: are still umber warnings asking those who live in this 16 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: region to be very very careful. 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: Good news for Karmala Harris this morning. On the economic front, 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: they've had their GDP release. This is up two point 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: eight percent annually. This is for the third quarter, but 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: it's an annualized rate. That's roughly two years of steady growth. 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 2: Now in the United States, the rate was lower than 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: the three point one percent that economists surveyed had picked, 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: though most Americans reckon Trump would do better on the economy. Meanwhile, 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: Grandpa Joe has entered the group chat, calling Trump's supporters 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: garbage after the whole Puerto Rico joke. Karmala Harris now 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: distancing himself from him to. 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: Clarified his comments. But let me be claire, I strongly 28 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 4: disagree with any criticism of people based on who. 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 5: The bull for. 30 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we know that didn't go well for a 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: certain candidate last time. 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 5: You could put half of Trump's supporters and do what 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 5: I call the bouse the plurals. 34 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: Right right. They hated her for that, didn't they. Meanwhile, 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 2: Germany grew zero point two percent in quarter three, dunka 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: very much. They were worried about dipping back into recession. 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: They were down point three percent last quarter was largely 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 2: driven by household and government spending. This helped lift the 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: wider Eurozone, so the big boy doing the heavy lifting here. 40 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: Their economy was up the wide Eurozone point four percent, 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: double the point two economists had predicted. In the UK, overnight. 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: The new Labor government has delivered its first budget in 43 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: fourteen years after being frozen out by the Tories, and 44 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: they're doing what labor governments do, hiking taxes forty billion 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: pounds or eighty six billion New Zealand dollars. 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 6: Any chancellor standing here today would have to face this reality, 47 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 6: and any responsible chancellor would take. 48 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: Action looking at their budget. This is Rachel Reeves, you 49 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: heard there. Their new exchequers the largest increase in spending, 50 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: tax and borrowing, and the budget increases spending by seventy 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: billion dollars lead annually two thirds on current and one 52 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: third on capital spending. It's nine after five. 53 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: On your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition with 54 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's Furniture, Beds and 55 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: a playing store. 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: Youth Talk said, be got an update for you shortly 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 2: on Elbow's upgrades as well. He released a statement lace 58 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: late last night. Right now, though we have wars going 59 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: on the Middle East, we've got a war in Europe, 60 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: and we've got always the threat of war in the Pacific. 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: And Trump and Harris, you know, they're both going helpful 62 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: leather saying we are going to stop the wars. Does 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: anyone really believe that no Putin's war has been going 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: on for two years now, the war with you know, 65 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: first it was Israel Hamas, now it's Israeli Bulla and Iran. 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: I mean, these things have been going on for years 67 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: and years and years, but this particular phase for at 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: least a year and only showing signs of heating up 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: up right. One thing I find interesting about this not 70 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: that the politicians are going to solve the problems. I 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: don't think they will, but it's the weaponry required to 72 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: wage these wars. It's kind of running out. The Wall 73 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Street General has a really interesting piece about this, as 74 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: some types of air defense missiles are running out. Interceptors 75 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: are apparently the hot ticket item, hot property. They stop 76 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: missiles from Russia or Iran or Lebanon or whatever, or 77 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: the hooti attacks on ships in the Red Sea. They 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: stop those two. The most common type are ship launched 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: standard missiles. They sound like this, So the Pentagon apparently 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 2: has stockpiles of them, is worried about how many they have. 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: They don't tell the public how many they have left, obviously, 82 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: because that would be dumb to tell your enemies there 83 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: was no plan for prolonged wars in the Middle East 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 2: and Europe at the same time. So the fear is 85 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: that if things kicked off with China and the Pas, 86 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: well do they have enough weapons? Would they be able 87 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: to actually defend themselves. Let's just say it's a risk 88 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: and one that we should be worried about. Why don't 89 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 2: they just build more? I hear you ask, that was 90 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 2: my first question. Increasing production requires companies to increase new 91 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: production lines, hire more workers, invest expand, all without the 92 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: guarantee that the Pentagon the Americans will actually keep buying 93 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: the weapons at increase levels over the long term. And 94 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: that's the problem. You basically can't plan for wars. You 95 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 2: didn't plan for Cranbridge anyway. I just thought that was interesting, 96 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: and you know, it's not like, what are we going 97 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: to do our navy vessels, half of them at the 98 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: bottom of the ocean, So we kind of need the 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: Yanks right Just very quickly on Anthony Albinezi released a 100 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: statement late last night. They're obviously worried about the election 101 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: next year and the perception that he loves a freebie 102 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: after asking for an upgrade. He says, this is the 103 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: statement I never called Alan Joyce, the former Quanta's boss, 104 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,799 Speaker 2: never called him to ask for the free flight upgrades, 105 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: which is what the original story said. Reporters go back 106 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: and say, did you text him or email him? No 107 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 2: reply to that one. So what do we reckon happen? 108 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: Twelve after five year on News Talk zibb. 109 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge new for twenty twenty four on early edition 110 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store. 111 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: News Talk Zibby. Could your in New Zealand flight soon 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: be powered by wood forestry slash? We'll ask that question 113 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 2: inside the next twenty minutes. Right now, though another season 114 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: of sport, another season of sideline abuse. Police are revealed 115 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: they're still investigating a serious assault on a female football 116 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: coach from September. The ELLESLEIEFC volunteer was attacked opposing male 117 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: supporter following an Under ten's game. Laura Menzies is the 118 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: Northern Region Football Chief executive. She's with us this morning. 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning. How is that coach doing? Do 120 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: you know. 121 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 7: The last I heard she was, The last I heard 122 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 7: she was recovering at home. I mean, there's there's no 123 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 7: doubt that's a completely shocking incident that should shock us 124 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 7: in any example that our ound, never mind a football game. 125 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: Is this thing happening more and more, or that these 126 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: are one off? 127 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 7: I mean, there's a there's a huge spectrum when we 128 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 7: talk about sideline behavior. Somebody attacking somebody on the sideline 129 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 7: is an absolutely extreme which happens in very few circumstances. 130 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 7: Certainly not condoning the behavior in the slightest because it 131 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 7: should never happen. But no, this kind of thing is extreme, 132 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 7: does happen very rarely. 133 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: She was knocked unconscious apparently. I mean, it's just terrible, 134 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: isn't it. 135 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: Oh? 136 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 7: Absolutely, that absolutely is terrible. And I think the thing 137 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 7: is that kind of behavior wouldn't be okay if you're 138 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 7: at the supermarket or the bank or anywhere else in society. 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 7: There's not anywhere in our society where we allow someone 140 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 7: to go up to somebody else and knock them unconscious. 141 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 7: You know, that's why we have laws of the country. 142 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 7: There's no way that behavior is in any circumstances, is 143 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 7: even the slightest bit appropriate. Is it? 144 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: The parents? I mean, can you ban and I know 145 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: you shouldn't take your anger out on the kids or 146 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: you know, the punishment out on the kids, But do 147 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: you look at banning kids whose parents behave like that. 148 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 7: We don't generally ban the kids, but yes we can. 149 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 7: I mean, we do have a disciplinary co we do 150 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 7: have a code of conduct as a sport. Absolutely it 151 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 7: is possible and to ban parents according to their behavior 152 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 7: because in most cases, yes it's in most cases it 153 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 7: is the parents or it is sideline. People are not 154 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 7: always parents of kids. But yes, we can take action 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 7: against parents. 156 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: All right, Well, hopefully this particular coach is recovering. Well. 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: We thank you very much for your time. Laura, great 158 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: to have you on the program. That's Laura Menzi is 159 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 2: the Northern Region Football Chief Executive. It's seventeen minutes after five. 160 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to in New Zealand next about 161 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: the plans for new improved sustainable jet fuel. Before six, 162 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: Carmel Sipoloni is here, Labor is going to have to 163 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: defend why here's a number you might be interested in. 164 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: Why for a young person this is under the age 165 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: of twenty five who's on a benefit will spend an 166 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: average of more than twenty years relying on welfare. Why 167 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: that number has increased by forty percent since the last 168 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: National government was in power back in twenty seventeen seventeen 169 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 2: after five, The. 170 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: News You Need this Morning and the in Depth Analysis 171 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: Early Edition with Ryan Bridge and Fifth City New Zealand's 172 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: Furniture Be. It's had a playing store news talk sai'd Be. 173 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: Had a real WTF media moment yesterday reading a Radio 174 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: New Zealand story. This is about Candice Owens, and I 175 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: know I spoke about her the other day. Tell me 176 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: to shut up on the text if you like nineteen 177 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: ninety two. But I'm just interested in this because I 178 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: think I do think it's important that when people we 179 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: disagree with come here, we listen to them, we debate them, 180 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: and we kind of have that argument. Otherwise you end 181 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: up with people going feral and underground, like what happened 182 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: during COVID, right when everyone's thoughts and opinions are suppressed. 183 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: So a young Labour has written a letter saying, don't 184 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: let this right wing Candice Owens into the country. She's 185 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: bad for democracy, blah blah blah, all those things that 186 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: you would expect. She has said some things about Nazi 187 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: Germany which have angered some people. I'm not defending the 188 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: woman by any stretch. However, what they use as justification 189 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: in their argument is, look what happened with Posy Parker. 190 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 2: Remember Posy Parker came here and some people, well one 191 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: woman was assaulted, when elderly woman was assaulted, and Posy 192 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 2: Parker herself was covered in tomato juice. And I say 193 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: their argument is, well, if you let Candice Owens come here, 194 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 2: you just don't know how people will react. I'm sorry, 195 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: you can't have somebody canceled on the basis of how 196 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: violently you might react to their appearance. You know, you 197 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: don't say, I let's ban all lollies in case I 198 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: steal them? What did the lollies? 199 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 8: Do? 200 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: You know? I think it's a bit mad the position 201 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: that they're taking here. I think you better just let 202 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: her and let her go to it. It probably no one 203 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: will turn up anyway. It's one hundred bucks. Who's got 204 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 2: one hundred bucks? Twenty one After five ran bridge, sustainable 205 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: jet fuel made with wood residue could make up twenty 206 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: five percent of our domestic fuel needs, according to a 207 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: new study by Air New Zealand and LANZA. Jet wood 208 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: waste like slash and low value wood products can be 209 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: turned into the fuel, which could soon be manufactured right 210 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: here in New Zealand, potentially creating hundreds of regional jobs. 211 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: Kerrie Hannafin is in New Zealand's chief sustainability and corporate 212 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: affairs officers. She's with us live this morning. Carry good morning, Oh, 213 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: good morning. 214 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 9: Nice to talk to you and nice. 215 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: To have you on the program. So are we talking 216 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: forestry slash stuff that you would go and get from 217 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: the forest, take it, process and then stick it in 218 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 2: the plane. 219 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 4: Essentially, it's the waste from the forestry industry, that's right. 220 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: And through a process, the woody biomass is turned into 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 4: a gas and then using bacteria, it's into ethanol, and 222 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: then from ethanol it's processed into kerosene, which we can 223 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 4: fly with. 224 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: That's right, okay, And the goal is for the industry 225 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 2: at least to create one hundred million leases here. Why 226 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: is no one doing it already? 227 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: It's happening all over the world. So there's a huge 228 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: movement to this clean fuel, and it's happening sort of 229 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: in countries. So countries are doing it on themselves, but 230 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: most of us now, all of us actually rely on 231 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 4: liquid fuel coming out of just a few nation states 232 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: fossil jet fuel, and because of the transition to sort 233 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 4: of cleaner fuels that we all need to go to 234 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: towards twenty fifty, countries are working out that they can 235 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: make themselves using non fossil material So it's a global 236 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: phenomenon in having a great pace. 237 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: Actually right, but still I'm only supplying about one percent 238 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: of global of global aviation field demand, is that right? 239 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: That's right? So at the moment is about thirty manufacturers 240 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: in the world, and by twenty fifty we need about 241 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 4: five thousand, five to seven thousand, so huge, huge list 242 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 4: needed in the next couple of decades. 243 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: What's stopping the industry in New Zealand, I guess is 244 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: my question. 245 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 4: Well, it's still pretty you know, new technology, so it's 246 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 4: I guess we're all learning. It's the number one. Number two. 247 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 4: There's only a few people doing at the moment because 248 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: it's so technical. So there's a few big manufacturers and 249 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 4: Lunds that jet on one of them, the ones that 250 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 4: we did the study with. And then it's quite slow. 251 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: It takes a little bit of time to find the 252 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 4: right feedstock, so we're looking at wood waste here to 253 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: make the plants, to get the investment to make the 254 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: plant and then to start making it. So it's just time. 255 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: But you know, every week there seems to be a 256 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 4: new announcement somewhere in the world. It was Argentina last week. 257 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: BGA looking at it to start looking at whether it 258 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: could be manufacturers. So it's going to move pretty quickly, 259 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: but it's just taken a little while to take off. 260 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: What's the cost difference for you guys at the moment 261 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 2: jet fuel versus you know, the sustainable fuel. 262 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, anywhere between two and five times the price of 263 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 4: fossil jet fuel, So it is expensive. It's most affordable 264 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 4: when we buy it out of America because it's highly subsidized. 265 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: The American buy it and put in a the Inflation 266 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 4: Reduction Act, and there's trillions of US dollars going into 267 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: renewable energy and that's brought the price down a bit. 268 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 4: So get anywhere between two to vive and we obviously 269 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 4: try to get it at the two premium, you know, 270 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: and try to get it out of the States because 271 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 4: it's just much more affordable. 272 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: Does that mean, I mean, if it could make up 273 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: twenty five percent of our domestic fuel jet fuel needs 274 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: does that mean high. 275 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 4: Prices the moment we're absorbing it is a cost of 276 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: doing business. And you know what, this is all sort 277 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: of part of the market kind of moves. The more 278 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 4: supply we have, and the more supply we can support 279 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 4: the sort of more strong demand signals to get their 280 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: supply going, the price will come down. It's just a 281 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: supply into nine economics. And because so many countries now 282 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 4: have regulated the use of this alternative fuel, the fossil 283 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 4: majors are having to start manufacturing it and providing it 284 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: as part of their engagement and providing fuel to countries. 285 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 4: So it's all going in the right way, all the aligned. 286 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 4: By twenty fifty, you have to fly with nothing but seth. 287 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: It's only a couple of decades away, so it will 288 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: move in the right direction. We've just got to get 289 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: the market going, which is what's really interested to support. 290 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: What happens If you don't. By twenty fifty, we've got 291 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: about ten seconds. 292 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 9: It's back on the US creation. 293 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: Aviation will be about a quarter twenty five percent of 294 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 4: the world's carbon emissions if we don't work it out right. 295 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: But if you don't, you can keep flying right. I mean, 296 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: it's not like it was going to take you care. Yeah, 297 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: okay y, thank you, Kerry Handerf and any Zeland Stasustate 298 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: Ability in Corporate Affairs Officer. It is twenty six after 299 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: five News Talks V the early. 300 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio how It by News 301 00:15:59,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: Talks AB. 302 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: Welcome back to News Talk, said be twenty eight minutes 303 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: after five. I'm getting really angry reading these stories about 304 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: violence in New Zealand, and I don't think that harsher 305 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: sentences are going to stop them. I don't think that 306 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: the gang patch ban is going to stop them. I 307 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: don't think that wrap around services are going to stop 308 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: them either. I'm talking here about Palmerston North Emergency Department 309 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: yesterday daylight. Doctors are at work, nurses are there. Cab 310 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: driver has a minor accident with gang members in the 311 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: hospital car park. Gang members attack the cabby. Another cabby 312 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: comes to his rescue. He gets beaten up, taken into 313 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: the One of the cabbies gets taken into the ed 314 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: and hidden because the gang members were threatening to kill him. 315 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: Cops arrived, two cops starting out. They get beaten up. 316 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: The cop car gets attacked. This is daylight on a 317 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: Wednesday in Palmeston, North while people are trying to get healthcare, 318 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: six police cars end up having to come. They pepper 319 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: spray and they taser, and finally the situation is brought 320 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: under control. I mean, this makes me, This infuriates me, 321 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: makes me so angry hearing about this. But what's going 322 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: to fix it? A labor government, a national government. I 323 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: don't think so, you know, wrap around services. No, I 324 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: don't believe it. Harsher sentences. I don't think in situations 325 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: like this, they're listening to our politicians. I mean, what 326 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 2: do you do? What do you do? Take your own 327 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: taser to the hospital probably the most reasonable response I think. 328 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what sort of them out yesterday, isn't it? 329 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 2: Get your tasers out? Twenty nine after five. 330 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: The first Word on the News of the Day Early 331 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: edition with Ryan Bridge and Smith City, New Zealand's furniture, 332 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: beds and a playing store. 333 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: You talk, said me, Good morning New Zealand. It is Thursday, 334 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: the thirty first of October, just gone twenty four minutes 335 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: away from six year on news Talk said be great 336 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 2: to have your company this morning. Mitch McCann is with 337 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: us live from the United States. I'm the latest on 338 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: the election. Obviously, Joe Biden under five for calling Trump 339 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: supporters garbage. We'll have the latest on that. Also. Carmel Sippoloni, 340 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 2: the Labor Social Development spokesperson. She explains why young people 341 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: are spending longer on social welfare in this country. Nicky 342 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: Hayley remember her former Republican well one time actually two 343 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: time contender for the top job in the Republican Party, 344 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: wanting to be president. She has come out and said 345 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: say much, said much during this election campaign. She has 346 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: said to the Trump campaign, be careful who you insult 347 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: in the next what is it, six seven days now 348 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: until the election, be careful who you insult because those 349 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 2: crucial swing voters that are about six percent of Americans 350 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: who will decide the next election. 351 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 10: This is not a time to have anyone criticize Puerto 352 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 10: Rico or Latinos. This is not a time for them 353 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 10: to get overly masculine with this bromance thing that they've 354 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 10: got going. Fifty three percent of the electorate are women. 355 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 5: Women will vote. 356 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 10: They care about how they're being talked to, and they 357 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 10: care about the issues. They need to remember that this 358 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 10: is a time of discipline and this is a time 359 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 10: of addition. 360 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: Bryan Bridge. 361 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 2: We're going to our reporters around the country now, Calum 362 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: Proctors and Dunedin this morning. Calm, good morning to you 363 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: morning Ran. Dunedin charity event has caused quite a stir 364 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: over its bid to sell booze. Yeah. 365 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 11: This is a charity fashion show planned for the Saturday 366 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 11: here in Dunedan that's raising money for suicide awareness and 367 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 11: it wants to sell alcohol to the audience. 368 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: But police say. 369 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 11: Approving a license for the event would be inappropriate and 370 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 11: harmful given the link between suicide and alcohol. A Tiger 371 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 11: University research found twenty six percent of suicides involve acute 372 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 11: alcohol use. Research to doctor rose Cross and says event 373 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 11: organizers should consider that message that to have alcohol and 374 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 11: suicide prevention linked. The district Licensing Committee will decide on 375 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 11: this matter tomorrow. 376 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: All right, how's your weather? Cloudy? Period's occasional rain later 377 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: today and seventeen thanks Callum. Interesting. I was listening to 378 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: Matt Heath talk about that yesterday and he said, how 379 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: do you get people to give money at a charity 380 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: event if they're not boost which it was pretty reasonable. 381 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 2: Clear shoe. It is in christ Church this morning, clear, 382 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 2: christ the International Antarctic Center is changing hands. 383 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 12: Yes, that's right, Ryan so Willowbank Wildlife Reserve has confirmed 384 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 12: it will take over operations of the tourism company Real 385 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 12: in Z, which runs the Antarctic Center, from this December. 386 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 13: The center, of course, has been operating for more than 387 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 13: thirty years in christ Church. It's out near the airport. 388 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 13: It's created as a way to showcase what we do 389 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 13: here in our Antarctic program to the world. I guess 390 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 13: I thought this comment was interesting. The Willow Bank co 391 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 13: director Mark Willis, who's obviously part of the takeover of 392 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 13: the center, is hopeful they'll make locals fall back in 393 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 13: love with the Antarctic Center. He says they plan to 394 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 13: do everything they can to really focus on igniting community engagement. 395 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 2: All right, how's the weather clear? 396 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 13: Fine with northwester He's developing this morning and tweety. 397 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: One brilliant Thank you Max Toles and Wellington this morning. 398 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 8: Max. 399 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 2: The giant hand that people seem to find a bit 400 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: scary as on the move. 401 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 14: That's right, this terrifying monolith that for years has overlooked 402 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 14: Civic Square with its blank expression and human like stance. 403 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 14: On two digits is being moved from a top city 404 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 14: gallery overlooking Civic Square five meters to all four hundred kilograms. 405 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 14: Also the stuff of nightmares since twenty nineteen, it has 406 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 14: a name Quasi, after the famous hunchback. It was designed 407 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 14: by artist Ronnie van Hout and is well now being 408 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 14: moved to an undisclosed location in Australia. On Saturday, it 409 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 14: will be lifted off the City Gallery via helicopter. A 410 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 14: relief perhaps that at no point did it come alive 411 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 14: and run a mock in the capitol. It'll soon be 412 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 14: terrorizing small Australian children instead. Too late for Halloween. 413 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: However, do we know? We obviously don't know where it's going. 414 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: Do you know if someone has bought it or who 415 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: owns it? 416 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 14: We know very little about its destination, which is odd 417 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 14: in its secrecy. 418 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: You would say, yeah, okay, it's a little bit like 419 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 2: the Adams family hand. Isn't it that exactly? 420 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 14: Or something? 421 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: Isn't it? 422 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 5: That's right? 423 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? How's your weather? Max? 424 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 14: Should be fine today with stronger northerly seventeen the high central. 425 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: If flip it upside down and you'd be giving Wellington 426 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: the middle finger, wouldn't you? Michael Siegles in Auckland this morning, Michael, 427 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: good morning, Good morning. Harmful incidents are daily reality on 428 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: Auckland trains and buses. 429 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 9: We know this. 430 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 15: Yes, I managed to get some new figures showing Auckland 431 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 15: Transport reported an average of more than ninety three incidents 432 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 15: a week, more than thirteen a day in the year 433 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 15: to August. These exclusive figures show security incidents on trains 434 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 15: averaged more than eighty three a week, Emergency services were 435 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 15: notified about incidents on buses more than nine times a week, 436 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 15: on incidents on ferries more than twice a week, and 437 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 15: lots of other incidents not captured by this data. We're 438 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 15: hearing of a lot of reports of threats, abuse and 439 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 15: disorderly behavior that just doesn't get escalated to this level. 440 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 15: At says it's doing what it's can putting in CCIV cameras, 441 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 15: transport offices, driver training, GPS tracking and panic buttons, and 442 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 15: the government increasing police patrols as well. But the message 443 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 15: from everyone there is underlying social issues at play here 444 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 15: and there is only so much that authorities can do now. 445 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: It's terrible. Just yesterday there was one in Pukakari. A 446 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: guy was beaten up by eleven youths had his stuff stolen, 447 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: moderate injuries yea. 448 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 15: And today yeah, talking to unions. It's just become a 449 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 15: daily reality and so much of this just doesn't get 450 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 15: reported and doesn't end up in these figures. 451 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 2: Well it's a good story, so good on you forgetting 452 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: that the numbers for us. 453 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 15: How's the weather today for the Halloween trick and treating 454 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 15: isolated childs? Clearing by the time that everyone heads out 455 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 15: behind nineteen and I have also been asked by Neva 456 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 15: to give you a bit of a Halloween costumeating tonight. 457 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 15: I think it's a Dracula. 458 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: Where novel was all Dracula. It's quite a fetching one. 459 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: It's got the teeth as well. Look quite good in 460 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: that you can do the whole thing. I think I 461 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: think Neva's got a fantasy. Frankly, she's got the teeth too. 462 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: All right, Well we'll go and sort Neva out soon. 463 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: It's eighteen away from. 464 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: Six International correspondence with ends in eye insurance peace of 465 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business. 466 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: According to six News Talk said be new numbers on 467 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 2: beneficiaries coming away just before six. Right now, Mitch McCann 468 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 2: is our US correspondent Mitch Joe Biden sending the Harris 469 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 2: campaign into not quite meltdown, but certainly into damage control. 470 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right, Good morning, Ryan. At this stage of 471 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 8: the campaign, it really isn't time to be making major 472 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 8: mistakes now. At that Trump rally here in New York 473 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 8: I attended on Sunday, the campaign received a huge amount 474 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 8: of backlash for the comedian who suggested that Porto Rico 475 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 8: is a floating island of garbage. So in some ways 476 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 8: that's a win politically for the Democrats. However, Joe Biden 477 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 8: has managed to create what has become a bit of 478 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 8: a pr mess over here when responding to those comments 479 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 8: on a Zoom call last night. This is what the 480 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 8: current president had to say in response to suggestions that 481 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 8: Porto Rico is a floating island of garbage. 482 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 3: They're good, decent, honorable people. 483 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 16: The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters. 484 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: His demonizational STIs I'm constable. 485 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, the only garbage I see antea are his supporters. 486 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 8: He's been criticized for saying that. The White House says 487 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 8: he was describing the racist language as garbage, not Trump supporters, 488 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 8: and Kamala Harris has even distanced herself from those comments, 489 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 8: saying she disagrees with any criticism of people based on 490 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 8: who they vote for. Storming a teacup Ryan maybe, but 491 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 8: certainly not helpful. 492 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 2: No, And I can remember the twenty sixteen election when 493 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton said this, and it was went down like 494 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: a cup of cold sick. 495 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 5: You could have put half of Trump's supportors into what 496 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 5: I called the bousee theplorables, you know, it was. 497 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: It was funny to the supporters who were there, but 498 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 2: most Americans, particularly those swingers, felt that that was a 499 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: disgusting thing to say. So it'd be interesting to see 500 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: how this plays out. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris has closed her well, 501 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: not quite closed to campaign, but she's given her closing address. Yeah, 502 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: that's right. 503 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 8: She took to the same stage in Washington last night 504 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 8: where Democrats say Donald Trump and cited those riots on 505 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 8: the Capitol in twenty twenty one. 506 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: She called it her closing address. 507 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 8: Her campaign sees the crowd it was seventy five thousand people. 508 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 8: She said on day one, if elected, Donald Trump would 509 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 8: walk into the Oval Office with an enemy's list. 510 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: When elected, I will walk in with. 511 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 8: Her to do it and Trump's campaign has responded by say, 512 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 8: Kamala Harris is lying, name calling and clinging to the past. 513 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 8: It was six days to go now, Ryan, the polls 514 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 8: are extremely close. Trump and Harris are making their final 515 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 8: swing through the swing states at the moment, she's visiting 516 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 8: three today, Will He'll be in two. 517 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: Mitch, thank you very much that much. McCann stateside for 518 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: us are twelve minutes to six. Rich your research on 519 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: how much young beneficiaries are costing us in the long term. 520 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: This morning, the Ministry of Social Development says those under 521 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: the age of twenty five accessing a main benefit continue 522 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: receiving welfare for an estimated twenty years extra on average. 523 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: The government says this is one of the many reasons 524 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: it's forging ahead with reform. Carmel Cipoloni is the Labor 525 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 2: Party's Social Development spokesperson. Why do you think there's been 526 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 2: such an increase in the forecast for young people in 527 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: particular who are on benefits. Why such an increase in 528 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: the forecast for how long they'll stay there? 529 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 9: Well, I think it's important to note that the Minister 530 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 9: again has ignored the actual substance of the report. There 531 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 9: are a number of risk factors that lead to forecasted 532 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 9: numbers for people on benefit. That includes if they've been 533 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 9: they have had a history of care and protection, they 534 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 9: have been in prison or proceeded against by the police, 535 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 9: they've been in social housing in the last three years, 536 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 9: which means they're probably experiencing a level of poverty. But 537 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 9: they've been in hospital in the last three years, so 538 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 9: they've got health conditions, or they've accessed mental health support 539 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 9: in the last three years, and so therefore they have 540 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 9: mental health issues. She continues to make out that it 541 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 9: is a result of them going on benefit that is problematic, 542 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 9: and then that they need to be punitive. The reality 543 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 9: is there are other risk factors that lead to people 544 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 9: needing to access welfare. 545 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: Do you accept their dependent on welfare at this point? 546 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 9: Oh, there are some that are. 547 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: Welfare. Do you think there should be consequences for those 548 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: who are dependent on welfare, like having their welfare taken 549 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: off them? I mean, how else do you stop dependency? 550 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 9: They'll keep in mind that a large number of people 551 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 9: on welfare have health and disability conditions, and this is 552 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 9: about all all people. That's reported about all people, but 553 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 9: it's specific. 554 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it talks specifically about job seeker support as well. 555 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: People under the age of twenty five on job seeker 556 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: support would spend an average of about eighteen more years 557 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: on a benefit over their life to lifetimes. That's fifty 558 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: percent longer than when national was lasting. 559 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 9: So any government needs to focus on the risk factors 560 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 9: that lead to people going on welfare. It's not going 561 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 9: on welfare that leads to the dependency. It's all of 562 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 9: the other things that are pointed out in the report, 563 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 9: which the minister conveniently ignores. 564 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: Okay, if you accept that, if we accept your argument 565 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: there that it's about those risk factors, do you accept 566 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: that you labor must have done an appalling job with 567 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: those risk factors given the length of increase in the 568 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: in the forecasts, there. 569 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 9: Were compounding impacts for these people in their lives. Mental 570 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 9: health issues didn't necessarily just start when they came on benefit. 571 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 9: And other risk factor is, of course economic conditions and 572 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 9: what has been forecast there are that also leads to 573 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 9: the predictions for how long someone will stay on benefits. 574 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 9: It's important to also note that this is a bit 575 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 9: of a distraction. There are nearly thirty thousand more people 576 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 9: on benefit since the government took office. No, no, and 577 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 9: there's an indictment on them. 578 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: The Well, it's indictment on the economic conditions I suppose, 579 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: isn't it. 580 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 9: With the they also laid off over six thousand public servants. 581 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 9: This is true doctor infrastructure projects and we've got ten 582 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 9: thousand pure jobs in the building and construction sector. 583 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: I've got time for one more question came, and I 584 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: really want to ask you. Is there ever a situation 585 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: in which labor would cut the amount someone has paid, 586 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: would cut a benefit for a young person no kids 587 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: work ready, sitting on a benefit, sitting on welfare indefinitely, 588 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: would you ever cut that benefit? 589 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 9: Well, we still had a sanctioned system in place, and 590 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 9: so when we were in it was still the ability 591 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 9: to apply sanctions if someone was not living up to 592 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 9: their obligations with respect to speaking work or the work 593 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 9: obligations that were in place. So that was already a 594 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 9: tool in the toolbox for NSD. 595 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we have to leave it there. Came Oh, 596 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it, thank you, 597 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: thank you. Ryan Bridge just got eight minutes away from six. 598 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: That was Carmel Sefal only the Labour Social Development spokesperson 599 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: with US Live. Mike's here next it's Halloween. I will 600 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: think of a trick and he might give me a treat. 601 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: Get ahead of the headlines. 602 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge New for twenty twenty four on early edition 603 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: with Smith City, New Zealand's furniture beds and a playing store. 604 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: News Talk said be just gone six minutes away from six. 605 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 2: News Talk said b Two women have been removed from 606 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: a British Airwaves flight. This is at Heathrow Airport. Why 607 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: one of them was wearing that one of them in 608 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: the forties, one in their sixties. One of them was 609 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: wearing a MAGA hat make America Great Again. The other 610 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: one took exception? Are did to take it off? Anyway? 611 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: They're in premium economy no less, and end up in 612 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: a fist fight, punching each other. The police are called. 613 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: The flights delayed by two hours. Both of the women arrested. 614 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: Mike is here with us. You blame COVID, Yeah, I 615 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: do blame COVID for a lot of Well. 616 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 16: I think the whole world's gone to hell in a 617 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 16: handcut because of COVID, because all the weirdness is COVID related, 618 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 16: isn't it. 619 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't blame COVID. I blame our reaction to COVID, 620 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 2: which was to lock it one down. Of course, COVID 621 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: didn't make us crazy. Our response to COVID made us crazy. 622 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 16: There was something that there's going to be a study 623 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 16: one day by esteemed psychiatrists or psychologists who looked at 624 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 16: what happened to us mentally as a result, because you can't. 625 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 16: I mean, people don't go around beating people up on planes, 626 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 16: you know, the way they do the States, you know, 627 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 16: but it's gone nuts. 628 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 2: And it's not just planes, it's trained. It's well, the 629 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: numbers you had on earlier the story. 630 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 16: We were talking to Wayne Brown about that later on, 631 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 16: I mean that it's an Auckland lies twenty five a day, Yeah, 632 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 16: twenty five a day. Yeah, it's insane, but it just 633 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 16: becomes the norm. Now, what it tells you is that 634 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 16: we're social creatures and does it well? 635 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 2: It does. And if we don't socialize with each other 636 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: on a day base and look at each other in 637 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: the eyes. 638 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 16: It's true, Why then haven't we worked our way out 639 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 16: the other side. Because it's not like COVID locked us 640 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 16: down five minutes ago. 641 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: Well, I suppose it's a big scar that's been left 642 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 2: in our you know. 643 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 16: So that's the psychiatrist thing. So once once you're tarnished, traumatized, 644 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 16: traumatized by the experience, then what you're saying is you're 645 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 16: traumatized forever and you're the sort of person you know 646 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 16: you do. You allow yourself to do things you never 647 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 16: would have done previously. 648 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: And the thing I'm worry about it is we think 649 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: it's bad. Now, what about the kids who were kids then? 650 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 16: Or you see it in education? Yeah, you asked teachers 651 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 16: in all honestly, you asked you. They talk about the 652 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 16: COVID generation of these little snots that are that are 653 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 16: in school that they don't know how to behave because 654 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 16: they were locked down and when they got let out, 655 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 16: they have no idea how to behave in the classroom. 656 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 16: It's just insane. 657 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: You're going to give these little snots any treats tonight 658 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: when they come knocking at your door. 659 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 16: See one of the advantages of having high security high security, Ryan. 660 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 2: Is they can't all right, your own little COVID lockdown 661 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 2: on a daily basis. Mike's next have a great day, 662 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: Run Sin. 663 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: Tomorrow for more from early edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen 664 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: live to news talks it'd be from five am weekdays, 665 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio