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Speaker 1: In New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

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Speaker 2: The My Hosking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life

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Speaker 2: Your Way, News, togs Head.

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Speaker 3: Be Welling, You welcome today, Big moves on GPS, doctors

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Speaker 3: from off shore and getting a script at midnight? Would

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Speaker 3: a power cable with Australia help our supply? If you

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Speaker 3: use the Wellington water shambles to be covered, the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister will answer yes or no to everything. Catherine Field

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Speaker 3: and France.

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Speaker 1: Rod Little in the UK pasking get.

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Speaker 3: Into its seven past six. I know Chris Hipkins wandered

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Speaker 3: off to Papa Toto Primary on Friday for a good

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Speaker 3: bitch session with the principal over the school lunches. I have,

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Speaker 3: as I have said, tried to stay away from the

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Speaker 3: school lunch Winithon, but it's hard when so many people

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Speaker 3: have made such an industry of it, from the schools

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Speaker 3: to the unions, to the political parties to the media.

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Speaker 3: It is beyond a shadow of a doubt now a pylon.

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Speaker 3: It is political. It is not about meals or kids

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Speaker 3: or welfare. It's about politics and points scoring and pettiness.

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Speaker 3: Where I sided early on with them was delivery. I

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Speaker 3: mean school has regimented. Lunchtime is lunchtime, so you got

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Speaker 3: to deliver on time. And last week, though David Seymour

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Speaker 3: tells us they got right at least on one of

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Speaker 3: the days, one hundred percent of the time, so presumably

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Speaker 3: the problem solved. What we are left with is the

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Speaker 3: campaign to shame and embarrassed. This is where the media

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Speaker 3: comes in. Surely they can see what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Is it really news? When yet another principle, yet another

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Speaker 3: unionist tells us about the wastage, how the kids don't

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Speaker 3: like the food. I mean, honestly, is kids not liking food?

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Speaker 3: Really all we have left to talk about? How about it?

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Speaker 3: They don't like it, they don't take it. How could

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Speaker 3: you one day argue kids with empty stomachs don't learn?

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Speaker 3: And yet, when given the answer, moans some more about taste?

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Speaker 3: Is the same meal eleven out of seventeen days when

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Speaker 3: hunger is the alternative really worth the complaint? More meals

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Speaker 3: are being offered for less money, surely a win, and

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Speaker 3: yet oh no, let's expand and expend even more energy,

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Speaker 3: complaining the counter other reports apparently of kids loving these meals,

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Speaker 3: so who would know? But over the past weeks. We

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Speaker 3: have cellophane difficulty, We have a lack of sense of community.

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Speaker 3: These are actual complaint. Are tens of thousands of dollars

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Speaker 3: bill to employ people to decid tribute the meals at schools.

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Speaker 3: They have gone out of their way to try and

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Speaker 3: convince you free food that we are paying for is

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Speaker 3: an insult, a cultural crime, a road to ruin. If

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Speaker 3: they can't grow up, if the media can't show some

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Speaker 3: level of responsibility, balls in the government's court, surely cancel

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Speaker 3: the program, call their bluff.

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Speaker 2: Trump would news of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: Falling out and scrambling has continued over night as Europe

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Speaker 3: tries to stitch together something that looks cohesive by way

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Speaker 3: of a plan going forward, but even that looks hard.

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Speaker 3: The UK Ambassador to the US, Mandelssohn, suggest did Ukraine

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Speaker 3: stop shooting first, only for the Armed Services Minister to disagree.

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Speaker 5: That's not government policy. And you wouldn't expect me to

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Speaker 5: commentate on every ups and down in the negotiations. But

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Speaker 5: we are seeking to find that lasting piece. But it's

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Speaker 5: certainly true that the Ukrainians want peace in their country.

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Speaker 3: The Russians are piled in on the White House bust up.

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Speaker 6: It's very important that someone makes Zelenski change his position.

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Speaker 6: Someone must make zelenze one peace. If the Europeans can

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Speaker 6: do this, honor and praise to them. Zelensky has shown

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Speaker 6: a complete lack of diplomatic skills.

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Speaker 3: At the very least, Zelensky has hit back at the

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Speaker 3: growing us ages air started by Lindsay grime On said

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Speaker 3: that I really quit.

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Speaker 7: I can give him these citizenship of Ukraine and then

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Speaker 7: his voice will start to gain weight and I will

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Speaker 7: hear him on the topic of who must be the president.

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Speaker 3: But the European realization that more needs to be done

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Speaker 3: in defence has been lived this morning by Astonia.

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Speaker 8: Estonia is spending now on fence about three point four

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Speaker 8: percent of a budget, and we're actually aiming up to

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Speaker 8: five percent.

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Speaker 3: Other medals in Europe. Now, the cow's driven into a

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Speaker 3: crowd in Germany.

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Speaker 9: Multiple people have been seriously injured. We can't yet tell

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Speaker 9: you how many and how serious the injuries are. We

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Speaker 9: can confirm that one person has been arrested. We can't

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Speaker 9: say at the moment whether multiple people are behind this.

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Speaker 3: The men stateside, the mystery of the Hackman death no

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Speaker 3: closer to being sorted with friends none the wiser. After COVID, he.

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Speaker 2: He was more reclusive and not protecting his in the

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Speaker 2: oven system and everything else.

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Speaker 1: I really am.

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Speaker 3: Puzzled by the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a tragic mystery.

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Speaker 3: And we all puzzled. Finally, James Harrison's died now. He

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Speaker 3: was the Australia known as the Man with the Golden Arm.

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Speaker 3: He donated plasma every two weeks from the age of eighteen.

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Speaker 3: That plasma contained a rare and precious antibody known as

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Speaker 3: the anti d and it was that plasma that was

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Speaker 3: used to save the lives of more than two million babies.

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Speaker 3: He's considered a national hero, received the Medal of Honor

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Speaker 3: of Australia. He was eighty eight. He was the world

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Speaker 3: in ninety. I've got some inflation for you, but good

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Speaker 3: news on inflation in the Eurozone two point four was

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Speaker 3: two point five, so she's trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Cor inflation two point six, so I think they'll take it.

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Speaker 3: And oh my lord, if I found expansion in China

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Speaker 3: factory activity it's up to fifty point eight. Billy gets

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Speaker 3: across the line, but will take it fifty point eight

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Speaker 3: the Cason SMPG Global Manufacturing Purchasing Managers Index forecast of

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Speaker 3: fifty point three. So it beat it. So you know,

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Speaker 3: all signs of life we're happy to take. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 3: Getting quite a bit of this. Mike had scrapples, called lunches,

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Speaker 3: its parents' responsibility, and just proving that uncertainty is good

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Speaker 3: for defense stocks. Aerospace Defense Index rose by eight percent.

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Speaker 3: This is in Europe, best session in five years. Germany's

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Speaker 3: Hensult surge twenty nine percent, Rent Group eighteen percent, Dessault

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Speaker 3: Aviation seventeen percent, Rolls Royce as in the Engine seven

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Speaker 3: point two percent. It's good for business. Fifteen past six,

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Speaker 3: Speaking of which, from JM My Wealth Andrew Kellah, good morning,

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Speaker 3: Good Monny Mite. Yes, welcome to Teriff Week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tiff Week time will tell what actually eventuates here,

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Speaker 4: but does it sounds right now to the best of

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Speaker 4: my knowledge, this week, In fact, within the next twenty

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Speaker 4: four hours, we should see the introduction of significant tariffs

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Speaker 4: on US imports. Now everybody out there will be howling

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Speaker 4: at their radios. Of course, this has been threatened before,

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Speaker 4: hasn't it. I mean, you recall what it was four

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Speaker 4: weeks ago, now, wasn't it that we saw We saw

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Speaker 4: the initial threat of twenty five percent tariffs on imports

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Speaker 4: immediate postponement. They have got ten percent tariffs on Chinese

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Speaker 4: impulse have been imposed. We could see another ten percent there.

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Speaker 4: I think it's all due to kicking at midnight Monday

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Speaker 4: in the US. But obviously the big numbers are related

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Speaker 4: to Mexico and Canada, and it's all associated with a

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Speaker 4: flow of fence and all that drove across the borders,

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Speaker 4: an illegal migration. But you know, this does, as I've

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Speaker 4: highlighted before, this dwarfs the impact of the tariffs in

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Speaker 4: the first term, because you're talking about one point five

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Speaker 4: trillion width of impults being affected here. I think Trump

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Speaker 4: has a press conference at one New York time, which

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Speaker 4: I think will be seven o'clock, so we may get

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Speaker 4: an update there. And it's been hinted that potentially these

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Speaker 4: tariffs could be less than twenty five percent. We're just

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Speaker 4: gonna have to wait and see they aren't we because

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Speaker 4: who knows with President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, bring it back here. I like the look of

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Speaker 3: these numbers. When your export money is up and your

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Speaker 3: inport money is down, that's a good sign, isn't.

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely right. So in start contrast to the US,

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Speaker 4: we've got a bit of good news here on this

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Speaker 4: is our terms of trade.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's a little dated.

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Speaker 4: This is released yesterday, data for the December twenty fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, positive news for the final quarter of last year.

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Speaker 3: So we remind on what this is.

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Speaker 4: Terms of trade figures represent the ratio of export prices

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Speaker 4: can be interpreted as a measure of New Zealand's purchasing

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Speaker 4: power on the international stage and indicator of the relative

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Speaker 4: strength of New Zealand economy and in the court of

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Speaker 4: the export price in x rows three point two percent.

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Speaker 4: Import prices though rose a very modest zero point one

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Speaker 3: So meat products they're doing very well.

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Speaker 4: Second largest export commodity by value rose six point eight percent.

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Speaker 4: six point one You see all good price growth in

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Speaker 3: We all know what's going on there.

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Speaker 4: The prices a rising, our biggest export commodity group prices

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Speaker 4: rose three point five percent. On the import side, weaker

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Speaker 4: prices for petroleum and petroleum products they helped keep the

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Speaker 3: So yes, good, right, So where when do they get?

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Speaker 3: When does the warehouse get out of this quagmire they

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Speaker 3: seem to have been in for a sustained period of time.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, who knows?

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Speaker 4: I mean the question as it occurred to me, it's one.

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Speaker 4: At what point does the warehouse itself become a bargain?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yesterday we had the release.

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Speaker 4: Of the preliminary twenty five financially your first half result

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Speaker 4: and an update on the outlook for the balanced financial year.

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Speaker 4: Few comments from the company here, Mike, ongoing at retail

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Speaker 4: trading headwards in New Zealand have slowed the pace of

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Speaker 4: the turnaround, luggish economic recovery, lower customer demand. That's all

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Speaker 4: putting pressure on their gross margins.

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Speaker 3: Because I suspect.

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Speaker 4: Analysts, we're more focused on the outlook here and here

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Speaker 4: as the company says, there remains significant uncertainty.

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Speaker 3: There's that word again.

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Speaker 4: Around the twenty five financial years second half performance and

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Speaker 4: the momentum of New Zealand's economic recovery. They're looking at

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Speaker 4: a second half year result similar to last year's, which

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Speaker 4: was a loss of circer fourteen million. On an encouraging note,

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Speaker 4: they are seeing positive signs that the new product and

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Speaker 4: pricing strategies are resonating with customers. Share price yesterday wasn't

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Speaker 4: resonating down eight cents to ninety one cents. I was

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Speaker 4: over an eight percent four years, so I think that's

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Speaker 4: an all time low. Look, when you're trying to engineer

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Speaker 4: a turnaround in a very challenging retail market, it's tough going.

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Speaker 4: And but what's interesting, though, Mike, is those comments tend

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Speaker 4: to support what we were talking about last week that

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Speaker 4: the economic recovery looks like it's going to be more

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Speaker 4: evident second half.

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Speaker 3: Of the year in the first half the year, hope.

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Speaker 3: So I did buy two boxes of ten lots of

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Speaker 3: highlighters from them the other day, so well done. You've

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Speaker 3: got to have the highlighters out exactly, so I hope

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Speaker 3: that helps. What are the numbers?

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Speaker 4: So at the moment, the US market's a little bit weaker,

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Speaker 4: but only only small. Dow Jones is down thirty eight

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Speaker 4: points forty three thousand, eight hundred and four. The S

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Speaker 4: hundred and forty three, so that's about point two percent,

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Speaker 3: Thousand, seven hundred and ninety two.

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Speaker 11: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 3: Is it real?

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Speaker 11: It's real, Matte?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely okay, So you just plug it in here, plug

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Speaker 11: That's a lot of more involved that you're getting the idea.

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Speaker 11: So for us, the green light we're announcing today is

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Speaker 3: Who would own it?

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Speaker 3: The power industry to buy into that and make themselves

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Speaker 11: Yeah. So the way from a power industry perspective, we've

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Speaker 11: So the way the electricity market works in New Zealand

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Speaker 11: So it's definitely going to be flowing both ways. We've

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Speaker 11: What it will be the largest single game changer to

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Speaker 3: he's wearing himself out and it's a big signature and

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Speaker 3: he's just tired. Have a look at his leg. So

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Speaker 3: the big thing on the internet this morning is his leg.

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Speaker 3: He's got something wrong with his leg. He's possibly wearing

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Speaker 3: a brace on his leg and he's dragging his leg.

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Speaker 3: And when you see the video it's true. And then

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Speaker 3: you go the the inference now is he's not well

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Speaker 3: because he's dragging his leg. So if you've got time today,

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Speaker 3: I know you don't, but if you do, go have

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Speaker 3: a look.

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Speaker 3: Be fair, once you've seen his leg, you can't unsee it.

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Speaker 3: It's just so obvious. When you see it, you go

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Speaker 3: whoo really. Fourteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Captainfield and France. Morning to you, Good morning mane. You're

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Speaker 3: center of the world at the moment. And have we

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Speaker 3: got a deal? I we got something cohesive. I got

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Speaker 3: a stone here, overnights and more money. I got keer

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Speaker 3: overnights and more money. I've got the possibility of some

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Speaker 3: sort of sea spy. Have we got something really cohesive

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Speaker 3: and tangible here or not?

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Speaker 12: I'm afraid not At the moment, it sends to me

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Speaker 12: everyone's sort of fumbling around deciding what to do, trying

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Speaker 12: to get everyone on the same page. The only thing

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Speaker 12: that I can say that everyone agreed to after that

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Speaker 12: very important EU NATO meeting in London over the weekend

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Speaker 12: was that there are real fears the US will side

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Speaker 12: with Russia over Ukraine and that Europe needs to do

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Speaker 12: something about it. I mean, UK Prime Minister Kstarma says

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Speaker 12: that Europe's now at a crossroads. French President macarm saying

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Speaker 12: it's quarter to midnight and Europe's got to do something.

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Speaker 12: What they've got to do, Mike, We've said this before.

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Speaker 12: For eighty years, Europeans have relied on that US security umbrella,

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Speaker 12: that great American strength that's provided stability in Europe since

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Speaker 12: the end of the Second World War. So they would

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Speaker 12: need to provide their own defense. They can't do that overnight.

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Speaker 12: And to be honest with you, Mike, as well as

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Speaker 12: them talking about increased defense spending, and they're talking about

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Speaker 12: figures such as nine hundred billion US dollars and extra

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Speaker 12: defense spending over the next couple of years, we're also

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Speaker 12: hearing talks that France, which of course is the only

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Speaker 12: EU country with nuclear capability, that they could transfer their

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Speaker 12: nuclear umbrella to the whole of the EU if the

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Speaker 12: Americans decide to pull out of Europe, to pull out

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Speaker 12: their nuclear capability from Europe. I mean, that's the sort

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Speaker 12: of conversations people are having.

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Speaker 3: What I got from Trump, and I'm not taking sight

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Speaker 3: on this, but what I got from Trump that made

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Speaker 3: sense to me was this thing's going nowhere. This is

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Speaker 3: three years of a quagmire. So let's get a ceasefire

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Speaker 3: going here and then see where we go from There.

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Speaker 3: Is Europe not on board with that?

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Speaker 12: Well, absolutely, it's on board. And we've had the Macron,

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Speaker 12: French president and Stamer both coming up with this idea

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Speaker 12: of a one month truce in Ukraine. Now what they're

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Speaker 12: saying that truth would be in the air, at sea

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Speaker 12: and on energy infrastructure, And what they're saying is if

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Speaker 12: they can get that on place. The French Foreign Minister says,

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Speaker 12: that would show whether Vladimir Putin is acting in good faith,

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Speaker 12: whether he really wants to end the conflict. So the problem, oh, Mike,

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Speaker 12: is whatever they do, they need to make sure that

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Speaker 12: rushall abide by it. Ukraine needs it to survive, and

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Speaker 12: of course the US will be trusted to play its

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Speaker 12: part in that. Now, bringing all these together now, especially

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Speaker 12: after what we saw in the Oval Office on Friday,

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Speaker 12: that great golf that we've got between Zelensky and the

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Speaker 12: Trump administration and Starmer and Macron, who at this time

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Speaker 12: last week were playing the statesman going and talking to Trump.

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Speaker 12: Whether that can happen really looks very unlikely.

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Speaker 3: Okay, can we? Except that the minerals idea that Trump

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Speaker 3: has is not in their view Europe's view, are cogent

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Speaker 3: enough and solid enough to be a guarantee. Is that fear?

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Speaker 1: That's it?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that was what the Ukrainians were saying. We've got

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Speaker 12: to have some sort of guarantee on that.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 14: That security guarantee can.

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Speaker 12: Mean your intelligence sharing, long range artillery, air cover, and

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Speaker 12: that's what they don't have. And the other thing, of course,

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Speaker 12: that the Ukrainians are saying is that deal over in

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Speaker 12: minerals does not keep military aid flowing. There's nothing in

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Speaker 12: there that safeguards Ukrainian sovereignty. It doesn't deter any future aggression.

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Speaker 12: That's why there's that problem there when it comes to

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Speaker 12: talking about ensuring Ukraine has not just to seat at

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Speaker 12: the table.

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Speaker 11: But that it does have a future.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good to talk to you, catherinell ketch up, so

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Speaker 3: appreciate it very much, Catherine Field. By the way, I

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Speaker 3: came out of the Telegraph, I think it was in

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Speaker 3: the Sydney Morning Herald yesterday. King Charles's role in this

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Speaker 3: because Trump loves Charles, and Charles wants to be an intermediary.

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Speaker 3: He's always wanted to be a peacemaker, and so he

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Speaker 3: met with Zelensky yesterday. He might well be the intermediary

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Speaker 3: that people are looking for. So read that's an interesting,

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Speaker 3: interesting insight. Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate news.

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Speaker 3: Talks did be Mike, You're clearly right, the kids aren't hungry.

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Speaker 3: I don't know in the New Zealand media still piling

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Speaker 3: in on the school's lunch, because the only station I

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Speaker 3: listened to is we'll talk to the Prime Minister about it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether he's thinking he's suggesting that Seymour's

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Speaker 3: got a problem with this, that this is something that's

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Speaker 3: bubbling and brewing in Wellington that they need to get

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Speaker 3: on top of. But there's no question in my mind.

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Speaker 3: It's a pile on Jack Vitriano if you know the name. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: he's passed away at the age of seventy three. Part

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Speaker 3: of that will be because he was one of those

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Speaker 3: angsty artists who had a relationship break up and hit

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Speaker 3: the pills and the boos and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: But his work is brilliant and he's been found dead

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Speaker 3: in France. Lived the better part of his life in France. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: go look at his picture today if you've got time.

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Speaker 3: The singing but he needed many of them. It's brilliant,

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Speaker 3: brilliant work. But the singing Butler's the most famous one

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Speaker 3: became the most expensive Scottish painting ever sold when it's

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Speaker 3: sold for one point five million back in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and four. But it's a brilliant painting. Five minutes away

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Speaker 3: from seven.

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Speaker 1: For the ins and the ouse.

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Speaker 2: It's the fizz with business fiber take your business productivity

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Speaker 2: to the next level.

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Speaker 3: Now from Centric some indication that area's numbers are up,

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Speaker 3: but when you consider how many you are actually in

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Speaker 3: areas overall, doesn't actually bank that bad a picture. Dealing

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Speaker 3: with January good news, first month on month. Consumer areas

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Speaker 3: up a little bit, most likely because we've well we're

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Speaker 3: going nuts at Christmas, of course, so we have around

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Speaker 3: four hundred and seventy thousand of us behind on our payments,

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Speaker 3: first time since COVID years. Though, the consumer areas are

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Speaker 3: actually down year on year, so they're down five percent.

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Speaker 3: Mortgage up slightly as well, but once again in line

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Speaker 3: with seasonal expectations. Twenty two thousand, one hundred mortgageccounts that

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Speaker 3: have passed you as that a lot, not really, I

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Speaker 3: mean they could you could say it's an eight year high,

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Speaker 3: which it is, but it represents one point five percent

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Speaker 3: of all loan so in other words, you know, ninety

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Speaker 3: eight point five percent of people are fine. Personal loan

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Speaker 3: areas are up nine point two percent, relatively stable when

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Speaker 3: you compare it with this period in previous years. Financial

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Speaker 3: hardship generally up nineteen percent year on year, but again,

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Speaker 3: if you look at the numbers, that's only fourteen thousand,

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Speaker 3: three hundred cases, not really many out of five and

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Speaker 3: a half million people. Forty six percent of these cases

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Speaker 3: related to the mortgage, and thirty percent of the credit card.

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Speaker 3: Highest rate of financial hardship thirty five to forty nine

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Speaker 3: year olds. Centric says, this is most certainly down all

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Speaker 3: my certainly down to the mortgages going from three percent

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Speaker 3: to six point seven percent, to be then coming back

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Speaker 3: down now of course credit card demand that's up twenty

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Speaker 3: two point four percent. Never, never, never can really tell

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Speaker 3: whether it's you're feeling bullish so you want a bit

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Speaker 3: of credit to go crazy, or whether you're desperate and

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Speaker 3: you need the credit. Not for carso we're not into

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Speaker 3: cars at the moment. Car Loans down eight point four percent,

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Speaker 3: So that gives you a little little snapshot of what's

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Speaker 3: going on in our wonderful economy at the moment. Now,

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Speaker 3: speaking of money, a lot of money going to the

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Speaker 3: GPS if they open their books back up for doctors

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Speaker 3: and nurses. Bit a tech around being able to get

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Speaker 3: a scripted at any hour of the day or night.

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Speaker 3: Why we haven't thought of that sooner. I've got no idea.

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Speaker 3: So we'll crunch through that in the next half hour

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Speaker 3: of the program and Christopher Luxen as well as after

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Speaker 3: seventh thirty being a Tuesday morning, of course, meantime on

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Speaker 3: the Mic Hosking Breakfast News is next.

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show.

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Speaker 2: Kiwi's trust to stay in the know, the Mic Hosking

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Speaker 2: Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate Finding the buyers, others cards

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Speaker 2: use togs head.

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Speaker 3: Bly seven past seven to movement at the g DUPS

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Speaker 3: with a new incentive payment for primary clinics to hire

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Speaker 3: graduate nurses and you twenty four to seven digital service

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Speaker 3: for advice and scripts, as well as one hundred placements

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Speaker 3: for obaseas training doctors, two hundred and eighty five million

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Speaker 3: dollars for GPS who open their books. The College for

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Speaker 3: GP's president, Samantha mertens with us, Samantha, good morning to you,

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Speaker 3: Good morning, How are you very well? Indeed, this has

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Speaker 3: got to be good news.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's the biggest price we've head into general practice

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Speaker 15: for a very long time. So it's excellent to have

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Speaker 15: this investment.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 3: Why then am I listening to the news bulletins this

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Speaker 3: morning full of people moaning.

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Speaker 15: I think there's a lot of people will feel like

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Speaker 15: it's a drop in the bucket because there is so

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Speaker 15: much that needs to change in so much of movement

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Speaker 15: where we need that having some feels like we need

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Speaker 15: so much more. But I think the thing about it

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Speaker 15: is we do need to start somewhere. No one's going

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Speaker 15: to say, look, here, have double your money and to

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Speaker 15: see how you go with it. We need to start incrementally,

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Speaker 15: and there was an intimation that would be more. So

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Speaker 15: this is just the parts of it that we know

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Speaker 15: that we can do. We've got that. We want nurses

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Speaker 15: just get nieces and support them to do their training

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Speaker 15: in primary care rather than the hospital. That's got to

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Speaker 15: be a good thing because otherwise they'll just stand in

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Speaker 15: the hospital for ever.

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Speaker 3: Because listen to the Prime Minister at the press conference yesterday,

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Speaker 3: once again he reiterated what I thought was exceedingly obvious thing.

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Speaker 3: If you help at the GP level, you're going to

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Speaker 3: save at the ED end, aren't you.

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Speaker 15: Oh totally, you absolutely are right.

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Speaker 3: So these doctors, by the way, the overseas trained doctors,

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Speaker 3: are they that far removed from what they need to

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Speaker 3: be in New Zealand. If you come from Australia or

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Speaker 3: Britain or India or whatever, it's whatever training you received overseas,

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Speaker 3: that weird and wonderful that you have to be retrained here.

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Speaker 15: For people who have trained in a jurisdiction that's very

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Speaker 15: different from ours. So it might be someone who's trained

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Speaker 15: in a setting in say China, where you don't do

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Speaker 15: medicine the way we do medicine, and or in Pakistan

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Speaker 15: or various countries that have not do not have same

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Speaker 15: system as we do. So then they come and do

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Speaker 15: their indeed rex exam, which is an exam to say

655
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Speaker 15: are you at our medical student level, and then they

656
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Speaker 15: have to do two years to get to their general

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Speaker 15: registration so that they could go off and do vocational

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Speaker 15: training in any area they want to. That's always been

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Speaker 15: that two years has always been in a hospital, and

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Speaker 15: the hospitals struggle to have these people and take up

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Speaker 15: the volume, and primary or general practice never get to them.

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Speaker 15: So being able to shift those people to do their

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Speaker 15: provisional training in the general practice setting where they see

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Speaker 15: so much stuff, anyverthing that they can. I had a

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Speaker 15: lady who came from the Philippines and she has done

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Speaker 15: several of her studints and in the hospital and then

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Speaker 15: came in to see us and went for her second

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Speaker 15: year with us, and the first day she goes, I

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Speaker 15: feel like a real doctor because we do absolutely everything

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Speaker 15: every day. So it's a great place for people to let,

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Speaker 15: excellent place for people to learn. We do need the

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Speaker 15: capacity for those training them to supervise them. And that's

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Speaker 15: one of the sticking points that we need to work on,

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Speaker 15: which is how do we make sure people can supervise

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Speaker 15: their students in a way that makes sure that they

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Speaker 15: are learning really well.

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Speaker 3: So the twenty four to seven digital thing strikes me

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Speaker 3: as should have been done ten years ago. And I

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Speaker 3: mean to be able to click, and I mean that's

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Speaker 3: just more common sense, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it is, And I think people want to be

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Speaker 15: able to get their care straight away and having it

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Speaker 15: digital on tap when you need it is an excellent thing.

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Speaker 15: And when you are not able to travel, I mean

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Speaker 15: I still people still drive to lots of places. They

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Speaker 15: drive to the hospital, they drive to edging here, and

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Speaker 15: having an online service is a great way. You cannot

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Speaker 15: do everything online, but you can do a lot online.

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Speaker 15: And if I have patients I talk to every week,

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Speaker 15: I say to them or every day, you know, let's

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Speaker 15: do this consultation online because we're just filing up on

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Speaker 15: the results. They've got somethings that are really easy to cover.

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Speaker 15: But I think you know you're not going to have

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Speaker 15: are you going to have a pharmacy open at eleven

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Speaker 15: o'clock at night. Probably not. So there's still be a

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Speaker 15: little bit.

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Speaker 3: Have you had a busy day? You go nine point fifteen,

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Speaker 3: you click and you get your script and you're there

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Speaker 3: for the next morning, Archie, as opposed to driving and

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Speaker 3: waiting and checking. I mean, it all makes sense to

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Speaker 3: meet Samantha. Yeah, yep, nice to talk to you. Appreciate

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Speaker 3: Samantha Merton and sit almost so much moaning in this country.

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Speaker 3: Eleven minutes past seven. Anyway, why couldn't Ritty have come

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Speaker 3: up with that? What was Ritty doing all that time?

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Speaker 3: You know when you're talking about click and collecting the script,

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Speaker 3: why wasn't this announced, you know, six months ago? Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll come back to the Prime Minister Rapter seven thirty.

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Speaker 3: Yet more material that reinforces the idea that Wellington is

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Speaker 3: a mess. This is the Wellington Water Report. Of course,

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Speaker 3: there's a scandal all over the place here. Theft was found,

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Speaker 3: cost of doing things were at times three times higher

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Speaker 3: than anywhere else. There was little of any oversight as

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Speaker 3: to whether they were being ripped off. So today we

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Speaker 3: end up with the obligatory emergency meeting. Of course, the

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Speaker 3: Upper Heart City Mirror is Wayne Guppy who is with us? Wayne,

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Speaker 3: morning to you wanting Mike, if I'd ask you six

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Speaker 3: months ago whether this would be as bad as it is,

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Speaker 3: would you have said, yeah, I already know about this.

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Speaker 16: Well, my counsel has been going on about this for

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Speaker 16: about three or four years. But it's falling on deaf years.

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Speaker 16: So we certainly smelled a rat. We thought we were

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Speaker 16: being over overcharged and you know, the way it was

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Speaker 16: run wasn't right, but my fellow colleagues protected them and continued.

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Speaker 3: To When you say your fellow colleagues, you're talking about

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Speaker 3: the other councils, that's.

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Speaker 16: Right correct exparring Wellington. Wellington initiated an independent review WHI

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Speaker 16: from twelve to fifteen months ago and it clearly showed

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Speaker 16: to are real issues. The issues that have raised now

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Speaker 16: out of these two reports were there when the Melbourne

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Speaker 16: and independent company from Melbourne to the report. We tried

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Speaker 16: to get it onto the agenda of the Wellington Water Committee.

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Speaker 16: They didn't want to discuss it.

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Speaker 11: No.

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Speaker 16: And again so that the warning signs were there and

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Speaker 16: Wellington City had had initiated that that that investigation on

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Speaker 16: their own that was never discussed.

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Speaker 3: PM yesterday said it's not a proper CECO needs to

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Speaker 3: be a proper CEO. It does it and if it was,

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Speaker 3: would that have fixed it?

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Speaker 16: With the governance structure probably would have been different. And

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Speaker 16: that's what we're hoping that as we work towards the

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Speaker 16: local water has done well. That's about fixing the issues

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Speaker 16: that you know, and there are a number of issues

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Speaker 16: the governments, the ownership, et cetera, et cetera. That's where

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Speaker 16: the government wants to head and that's what we're working

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Speaker 16: towards rather quickly, and particularly now with the outcome of

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Speaker 16: these two reports.

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Speaker 3: I looked at the executive board or the executive team

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Speaker 3: at Wellington Water. They all seem to be in acting

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Speaker 3: positions as there was sort of a change over going

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Speaker 3: on at the moment where a few people are being

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Speaker 3: moved on.

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Speaker 16: Well, there's people have left and of course, look me

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Speaker 16: uncertainly over the last three or four years and the

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Speaker 16: water in the restrict probably hasn't helped as far as

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Speaker 16: the the you know, as far as personnel concerned in

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Speaker 16: the workforce, but certainly from the point of view of

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Speaker 16: where we sit today, I mean one Eton Water should

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Speaker 16: be in a holding pattern, needs to be set up.

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Speaker 16: The new organization.

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Speaker 3: Good Onnyone. Appreciate it, Wayne Guppy. Another indication of why

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Speaker 3: this country's buggered. Fourteen minutes past seven Pasking can't make

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Speaker 3: this stuff up. Mind you were selling everything secondhand. Great

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Speaker 3: insight this morning from trade me. Circular economy has grown

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Speaker 3: by half a billion dollars in the past year. We're

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Speaker 3: selling old tat. I love selling old tat. I love

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Speaker 3: throwing old tat out. More than four thousand people took

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Speaker 3: part in the survey. Average key, we are about thirteen

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty dollars worth of unwanted tat run around

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Speaker 3: we go. It's fifty dollars more than last year. Eighty

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Speaker 3: nine percent of US. Eighty nine percent of US did

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Speaker 3: something pre loved, bought or sold in the last six month.

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Speaker 3: Seventy nine percent have sold at least one pre loved

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Speaker 3: item in the last six months, closed shoes, accessories, books, CDs, DVDs,

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Speaker 3: and we do it why, creating space and earning extra money.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of those things that unites a sport

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Speaker 3: war and selling old tat on trade me. We're all

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Speaker 3: into it.

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Speaker 3: That'd be our favorite military analyst mcrian back with the

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Speaker 3: eight o'clock This Morning seventeen past seven. Not surprisingly turns

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Speaker 3: out a health star system and other things you see

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Speaker 3: on the side of food that's not up to much either.

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Speaker 3: New studies found only minor health gains have been main nutrition.

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Speaker 3: As Nikki hearts with this, Nikki, good morning, morning, Mike.

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Speaker 3: I could have told you this is very rudimentary, isn't it.

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Speaker 17: Yes, yes, we still want the consumer to have faith

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Speaker 17: in the products that they're buying, right, but my problem

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Speaker 17: with it is that if there's not good uptake on it,

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Speaker 17: the food manufacturers look as though they're picking and choosing

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Speaker 17: which products stars on Well they are, yes, you know,

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Speaker 17: and it's fun to pack labeling. So and it's be honest,

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Speaker 17: package food is never going to be as good as

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Speaker 17: unpackaged food. So we've got to give the consumer some

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Speaker 17: idea of what their product is that product healthy. But

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Speaker 17: you know, unless there's greater uptake in this, how's the

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Speaker 17: consumer spused to know?

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Speaker 3: Could you ever get around it? Even if you made

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Speaker 3: it compulsory? All the stuff we bring in packaged from offshore,

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Speaker 3: you can't expect them to do it and become a problem.

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Speaker 17: Well, yeah, we do import a lot of products, right,

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Speaker 17: but you know we are getting on top of those

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Speaker 17: important products as well. I think the thing for me

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Speaker 17: is that the food manufacturers that have been upfront and

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Speaker 17: reformulated the products are doing a good job. It's just

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Speaker 17: is just not enough buying and until there's enough buy

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Speaker 17: and the consumer is still in the dark about how.

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Speaker 3: Much consumer buying do we need. In other words, if

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Speaker 3: you look at a packet, you can in fact see

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Speaker 3: it's not the star system, it's the ingredients on the back,

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Speaker 3: and if you know what the ingredients are, it's all

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Speaker 3: there if you want it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, but I mean a lot of people don't look

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Speaker 17: at the back of the Packet's not really it's the

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Speaker 17: fund to the packets that they're looking at. So that's

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Speaker 17: where that health star is quite useful because it gives

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Speaker 17: you an idea. But it's packaged food, mic.

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Speaker 16: You know, it's not for fruit or a vegetable.

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Speaker 17: So just because there's fruit and vegetables, perhaps an amusally

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Speaker 17: bar doesn't mean that that allows you to opt out

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Speaker 17: of eating freat and vegetables.

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Speaker 3: This is true, Nicki Well said appreciate it. Hearts and

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Speaker 3: nutritionis with us, by the way, speaking of food, tremendous upset.

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Speaker 3: So we're having a little bit of fun on Friday

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Speaker 3: about the receipts from MPs and what they've been spending on.

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Speaker 3: And we had the Magnum of wine, and we had

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Speaker 3: We still haven't got to the bottom of the laundry bill.

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Speaker 3: But then we had a burger and the burger turned

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Speaker 3: failure affects attitude, and there is equally no doubt that

870
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Speaker 3: for some the sort of the given up scenario must

871
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: be tempting if the hurdle is too high. But then

872
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: it's also no doubt that allowing kids to leave school

873
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: having failed is a failure in and of itself, and

874
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: that any country that has any level of success globally

875
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: is not a country that goes soft on education. The

876
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Speaker 3: principle's answer is the answer that has failed as for years,

877
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: the Chris Hipkins COVID answer give them something for nothing.

878
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: Alternative to an exam is an extra twenty credits scenario

879
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: that's due to expire at the end of twenty twenty seven.

880
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: They want that made permanent, and instead of twenty credits,

881
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: they want it made into sixty credits. Like Hipkins and COVID,

882
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: you remember that extra credits for not actually doing anything,

883
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: just just extra credits for life. Being a bit crap. Now,

884
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: no one gains when we do this. It's excuse making.

885
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: It's an acceptance that we fail and are failing, and

886
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 3: failure is part of what we do. You can either

887
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: read or write or you can't. You can either add

888
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: up or you can't. And if you can't, having people

889
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: pretend you can doesn't actually fix anything. Part of why

890
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: this country is where it is is because we're apologists

891
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: and areas like this, and instead of being determined to

892
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: fix it, we set about looking for ways to excuse it.

893
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: Asking not good news from the Vatican or the hospital.

894
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: Another hard day, their words, not mine. Conditions still complex.

895
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: The Holy Father presented two episodes of acute respiratory failure

896
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Speaker 3: caused by a significant accumulation of mucus, and they did

897
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Speaker 3: two bronchioscopies, and therefore they were performed, and it was

898
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Speaker 3: so a bit ugly. It was a repeat of the

899
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Speaker 3: thing they did the other day. So they've done three

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Speaker 3: of them now, so the prognosis remains reserved, is their

901
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: official situation, by the way, Louise Upston. So the receipt

902
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: came back for the Philly Cheese Steak double Big AGA's

903
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: Combo with coke zero and some extra onion rings. So

904
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Speaker 3: we mentioned this on Friday. No big deal. I'm not

905
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Speaker 3: judging it, no judging, no judging here.

906
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Speaker 10: In fact, probably the least amount of judgment that we

907
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 10: passed was on that particular. Everybody needs a bit of

908
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 10: a greasy berg every now and again.

909
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Speaker 3: I've never had one, but sounds good. Anyway, our office

910
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: rings up. They want an apology. They want an apology

911
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: because it wasn't her, it was a staff member. I

912
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Speaker 3: could tell you who the staff member was, but I'm

913
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Speaker 3: not going to. They just ping the staff member. I mean,

914
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Speaker 3: what's worse ordering the Philly cheese steak with some extra

915
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: onion rings or pinging a staff member? I mean, come on, anyway,

916
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: So they want an apology, what sort of apology would

917
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 3: you like, Louise? I am so so so sorry, Louise.

918
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Speaker 10: Say hang on, she just flicked her card to somebody

919
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 10: else and they use Glenn.

920
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Speaker 3: You're making a meal of this. You're drawing attention to this,

921
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 3: almost as though the office ringing up wasn't going to

922
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Speaker 3: draw attention to this. Seems a strange media approach to tape,

923
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Speaker 3: but nevertheless, this is the approach they want. They want

924
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Speaker 3: the apology and Louise you may have the apology the

925
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Speaker 3: staff member had the police chief steak. Anyway, let's talk

926
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Speaker 3: to the Prime minister about it.

927
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928
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Speaker 3: Brian Senior Fellow, four military studies at the Lower Institute,

931
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933
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Speaker 3: Of course, mean time, Chi is the morning Prime Ministers

934
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Speaker 3: back in the country and is with us. Very good

935
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Speaker 3: morning to you. Good morning, Mike Hawa is very well.

936
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Speaker 16: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: The two hundred and eighty MILLIONI ish you announced yesterday

938
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Speaker 3: for the various ideas around health. Where did that come from?

939
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Speaker 3: That can't be new money?

940
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Speaker 13: Well, there's actually four announcements there, three of it as

941
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Speaker 13: actually as new money. It's up against budget twenty five

942
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Speaker 13: and the two hundred and eighty five million dollars open

943
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Speaker 13: up to incentivize doctors to open up their books more

944
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Speaker 13: to new patients and things as actually is actually from

945
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 13: existing money. The part of the seventeen billion dollars extra

946
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Speaker 13: that we've put in over the next three years.

947
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Speaker 3: Okay, so the new money you must be right up

948
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Speaker 3: against the wire by now because you didn't have much

949
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Speaker 3: money to play with in the first place. Well, I mean,

950
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Speaker 3: you'd all be revealed in the budget.

951
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Speaker 13: We put all the expenses and all the revenues together,

952
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Speaker 13: and we obviously announced it in May. But but what's

953
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Speaker 13: exciting here is that we're trying to put patients first.

954
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Speaker 13: We're trying to get key ways to be able to

955
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Speaker 13: get access to a doctor. You've got, you know, weird

956
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Speaker 13: thing as might. You've got one hundred doctors at least

957
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 13: in New Zealand that are actually driving ubers at the

958
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 13: moment that have done all that foundational doctor training overseas

959
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 13: and we've got to accelerate them into GP practices. You've

960
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Speaker 13: got four hundred graduate nurses that we're trying to open

961
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Speaker 13: up and incentivize doctors to take them into communities and

962
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Speaker 13: rural communities.

963
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Speaker 3: And cities as well.

964
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Speaker 13: And then you know, really there's some really cool innovation

965
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Speaker 13: as you'd be aware of and healthcare sector around digital

966
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Speaker 13: twenty four to seven. And frankly, if you want to

967
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Speaker 13: see a doctor at eleven thirty at night with a

968
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Speaker 13: sick cat and get your prescription and action on Saturday.

969
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Speaker 3: Morning's cool technology. I mean, this is what I'm thinking yesterday.

970
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 3: Why do those teen years ago, I mean, to get

971
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Speaker 3: a script at nine thirty at night shouldn't really be? Well,

972
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Speaker 3: what do we do moment? Should it? It shouldn't be.

973
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Speaker 13: But the point is the system needs to have innovation

974
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Speaker 13: from within it. There are some incredible operators and entrepreneurs

975
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Speaker 13: that are starting up in this space. And you know,

976
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Speaker 13: the dealers, you know, I was thinking about the other day.

977
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Speaker 13: You know, you get a sinus in fiction, you need

978
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Speaker 13: to see a GP. You know, I can't do nine

979
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Speaker 13: to five. I think many Kiwis can't to do that

980
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Speaker 13: at eleven thirty on a Friday night, get your prescription

981
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 13: wide to your pharmacist, pick it up on Sunday morning,

982
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Speaker 13: get going with your treatment.

983
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: Fantastic.

984
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 13: But we should be able to do a lot more

985
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Speaker 13: of it, you know, And there's no reason why that's

986
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Speaker 13: not the way you disrupt the system and actually get

987
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Speaker 13: people with more access. And the benefit is if we

988
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Speaker 13: can get people to their GPS, they can see a doctor.

989
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Speaker 3: When they need it.

990
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Speaker 13: We're not clogging up our emergency apartments, which is what's

991
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Speaker 13: been happening. So you know, I'm really excited. This is

992
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 13: a great initiative from Simmon. He's put six weeks into

993
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Speaker 13: the job. He's getting on top of what's a tough system.

994
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Speaker 3: Well that was my next question. How has it took?

995
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 3: It took Simmi in three and a half minutes, and

996
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: what was Shane doing all that time?

997
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Speaker 13: Well, in fairness, a lot of this primary Care package

998
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 13: or what's called primary care basically GPS and communities we

999
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Speaker 13: had started to put together back in late November December,

1000
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Speaker 13: so you know, some man's built on that, which is acknowledged.

1001
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: I felt your frustration yesterday. You make a very good point.

1002
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 3: You put you put seventeen billion billion into this two

1003
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: thousand extra nurses and per head, you're going backwards. What's

1004
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: what's the problem.

1005
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 13: It's an insanely complex organization. So you know, there's this

1006
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 13: narrative out there that we're cutting healthcare service.

1007
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Speaker 3: It's absolute total rubbish.

1008
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Speaker 13: We're putting seventeen billion more on top of the twenty

1009
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 13: eight billion that already goes in. The Second thing is

1010
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Speaker 13: if you just take nurses, people say, oh, we're cutting nurses.

1011
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: No, we're not.

1012
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Speaker 13: We've actually had two thousand nurses in one year. Nurses

1013
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 13: pays up seventy percent since twenty fourteen.

1014
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Speaker 3: Gave yesterday. That's true, one hundred and twenty.

1015
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Speaker 13: Seven thousand including over time allowance US and that's all.

1016
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Speaker 13: You't argue with that, can you. That's the point I'm

1017
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Speaker 13: trying to make is that you know the narrative and

1018
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Speaker 13: people need to understand.

1019
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: And let's be clear.

1020
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Speaker 13: You know, we're up against unions and we're up against

1021
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 13: people who are trying to say everything we're doing is

1022
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 13: rubbish and healthcare and it's just not true when we've

1023
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 13: actually increased remuneration for nurses T one hundred and twenty

1024
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Speaker 13: seven doesn't including their allowances including over time, that is

1025
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Speaker 13: on a comparable level to what you'd get in New

1026
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Speaker 13: South Wales and New South Wales is thirty five percent

1027
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Speaker 13: richer than us. So you know, there is some good

1028
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Speaker 13: progress made on workforce recruitment and remuneration. There's good progress

1029
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Speaker 13: on funding. There's plenty of money in the system, but

1030
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Speaker 13: we're not getting the results and we're not getting what

1031
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Speaker 13: patients want or need.

1032
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Speaker 3: So is leading employee. That's where Brown comes in. And

1033
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Speaker 3: Brown doesn't doesn't have the faith in Levey or whatever

1034
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Speaker 3: the case. I mean, is this being fixed or not,

1035
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, we all want

1036
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: good health, but there's got to be a limit. I

1037
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Speaker 3: think you're right, it's thirty billion dollars in total. I mean,

1038
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: how much is I mean, it's it can't be a

1039
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: bottomless pet no, but there is enough.

1040
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Speaker 13: What I'm trying to say with those things I announced

1041
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 13: yesterday and my opening remarks was to get people to

1042
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Speaker 13: understand there is enough money. There is actually groat, you know,

1043
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 13: progress on the workforce front that's pretty ressive, and actually

1044
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Speaker 13: the issue is a system that's actually grossly bureaucratic and

1045
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 13: highly inefficient, and so putting Lester Levy in as a

1046
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Speaker 13: commissioner has been very important. We've obviously got changes of

1047
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Speaker 13: the CEOs and the Director General Ministry of Health. That's

1048
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Speaker 13: really important. But we now want this organization focused on patients.

1049
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Speaker 13: We want everything to be patient first. And so you

1050
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 13: can talk about the money, you can talk about remuneration,

1051
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Speaker 13: you can talk with unions as much as you like,

1052
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Speaker 13: but at the end of the day, the New Zealanders

1053
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Speaker 13: need to get access to doctors. They need to be

1054
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Speaker 13: able to see faster wake times, for first surgeries, for

1055
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Speaker 13: first specialist appointments, for emergency departments. Those things are the

1056
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Speaker 13: things that matter. So let's make the organization focus on

1057
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Speaker 13: customers or patients, which I think is you know, I

1058
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Speaker 13: know some of the media give me grief when I

1059
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Speaker 13: use the word customer, but I don't care. I mean,

1060
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Speaker 13: these are service organizations that needed to live for patients

1061
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Speaker 13: and for customers and for kiwis. So it's a change

1062
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Speaker 13: in mentality.

1063
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Speaker 3: Good school lunches. Do we actually have a problem here

1064
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: or is this a pile on from the unions, the

1065
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: teachers and the media to make David Seymour look bad.

1066
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Speaker 13: Well, I think the bottom line is some of the

1067
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Speaker 13: lunches aren't up to scratch. But Seymour is all across

1068
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Speaker 13: the issue. I've got every confidence.

1069
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Speaker 3: When you say they're not up to scratch, what do

1070
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Speaker 3: you mean.

1071
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 13: Well, I mean you get the I mean everywhere every

1072
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Speaker 13: day we get a story of a particular lunch.

1073
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Speaker 3: There is, yeah, but why do we get a story

1074
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Speaker 3: every day? But we get a story every day because

1075
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 3: someone's a whiner? Don't Well? Well, yeah, is the a

1076
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: geni on top? But look, here's the deal.

1077
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Speaker 13: I mean, if you don't like the lunches, actually just

1078
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Speaker 13: go make a mum mate sandwich and put an apple

1079
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Speaker 13: on the bag. And as a parent, I think parents

1080
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Speaker 13: should take responsible for feeding their own kids. I'd rather

1081
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Speaker 13: the state didn't have to do so. It should be

1082
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Speaker 13: a printal responsibility. But the fact is that kids are

1083
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 13: actually coming to school with no lunch. I'm not willing

1084
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Speaker 13: to let them go hungry.

1085
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 14: But this is.

1086
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: Just going that hungry kids can't loan correct, Okay, fair enough,

1087
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: And when we do something about it, we still whine

1088
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: some more that the cellophane couldn't get done and I'm

1089
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: hiring too many people to distribute them. And the only

1090
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: simp of the IB ever had is they're late. They

1091
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: should be on time. I get that. Beyond that, you're

1092
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: just bitching. You're moaning I want it, don't like it?

1093
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: So I mean it will doesn't like it? Make a sandwich,

1094
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 3: right exactly? So does the government go if you're just

1095
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: going to complain about this, We'll save the money, thanks

1096
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: very much. Or is there an actual problem that Seymour

1097
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: needs to address.

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00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 13: No, there you know, there are some lunches that are

1099
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 13: not up to scratch, and some delivery that's not up

1100
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 13: to scratch, and David and I have talked about it,

1101
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 13: and he's all over the detail. I have got every

1102
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 13: confidence he's going to get it sorted. And so you

1103
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 13: know he's right to actually keep chasing those issues down

1104
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 13: and making sure we're getting what we've contracted and the

1105
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 13: quality of the product as well as obviously the on

1106
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 13: time delivery of it.

1107
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: So you know that's a reality.

1108
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 13: But I just say to you, Yep, there's always going

1109
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 13: to be people that are unhappy with school lunches, and

1110
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 13: I get that. And if you really are unhappy with it,

1111
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 13: for God's sake, go make a mute sandwich and put

1112
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 13: an apple in a bag, just like you and I had.

1113
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: Peter's met with Hyundai. They may be in for some ships.

1114
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: If they're in for some ships, do we get out

1115
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: of paying a penalty for canceling.

1116
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 13: Well, I mean there's a whole bunch of commercial negotiations

1117
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 13: and all of that. Winston's got to the end of

1118
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 13: March to come up with a better plan than the

1119
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 13: one that we had and that we propose at the

1120
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Speaker 13: end of last year, which is to get rail compatible

1121
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 13: fairies in place. So yeah, they'll be ongoing conversations. Let's

1122
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 13: set them run through.

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Speaker 3: Has he got something on the bubble though, because I

1124
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: mean it is March.

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Speaker 13: Well, yeah, but he's got to the end of March

1126
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 13: to come up with a better proposal that Trump's it.

1127
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 13: And if he does, great, fantastic on board with that

1128
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 13: within the envelope that we've talked about. And if not,

1129
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 13: we've got a good plan.

1130
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: Okay, just quickly on the war and your comments. Don't

1131
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: all that's gone wrong in the last couple of days.

1132
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: You're on the side of Zelenskin. We're on the side

1133
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: of Ukraine with a view specifically to.

1134
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Speaker 13: What well, I mean, the bottom line is we're a

1135
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 13: small country with limited resources a long way away. We

1136
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 13: ain't going to end this war, Let's be clear about it.

1137
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 13: But the principal point is that you can go off

1138
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 13: to lots of meetings sounding off about your values, democratic ideas,

1139
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 13: nation states, you know, international rules based system, all that stuff,

1140
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 13: and you either stand up for it.

1141
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: Or you don't.

1142
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 13: And so in our own way, we're actually standing up

1143
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 13: with Zelenski.

1144
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 3: I've met him.

1145
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 13: He's a pretty admirable cheer is I mean, how would

1146
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 13: we feel if we had a big power rock in

1147
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 13: to New Zealand and beat.

1148
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: Us up and for three years. But how are you

1149
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: standing behind him on a stalemate? This is a stalemate.

1150
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: It's a three year stalemate, and I America walks we're done.

1151
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 3: We're on the losing side because he's going to get

1152
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 3: crushed within wicks. Is that what we're going for?

1153
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,240
Speaker 13: No, we want the US and the Ukraine and Europe

1154
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 13: working together on that. I'm trying to secure a justin

1155
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 13: lasting piece there that that's important for us. There's no

1156
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 13: doubt all the players have an intention to do that.

1157
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 13: They may have disagreements on how to go about it.

1158
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 13: That's normal as a peace process is put together. But

1159
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 13: I just say to you, Mike, if we were a

1160
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 13: small country, I think we'd want to be at the

1161
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 13: negotiating table and not have big powers just to determine

1162
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 13: our fate. I think, you know, if we'd been beat

1163
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 13: up for three years in that way, we'd want to

1164
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 13: be at that table. And I think that's not unreasonable.

1165
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 3: Appreciate time as always Crystal Lux and Prime and it's

1166
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: still fourteen minutes away from Mate the Mic.

1167
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: Asking Breakfast a full show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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1169
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Speaker 3: Be Mike, grudgingly Luxe died well this morning on health

1170
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: lunches and even ukraine. Why is it grudgingly? If he

1171
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 3: does well, he does well. What does they have to

1172
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: be grudging? Mike, I've got forty years and systems in

1173
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 3: corporate life, including health. My wife has spent a week

1174
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 3: in middle more. The issue is in the way of

1175
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 3: working too many PCs, not enough staff talking to each other,

1176
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: silo's division of duties, lack of pride in their workplace,

1177
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 3: staff working with bureaucratic systems left hand and right hand

1178
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 3: not aligned. Need a step change in the middle management

1179
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: and leadership. I don't think that comes as a surprise

1180
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 3: to any of us. I think the trick is actually

1181
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: doing it. I didn't get much out of him on

1182
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: there's something going on with Brown unless alleviate. I don't

1183
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: know what it is, but I don't know whether that

1184
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: goes anywhere. One hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars for

1185
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: a nurse's a lie. Well, it's not a lie. There

1186
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: are three nurses in my family. I promise you they

1187
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: don't earn that well. That it depends on what sort

1188
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: of nurse you are. My wife with thirty five years

1189
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: experiences one hundred and six thousand dollars. You simply cannot

1190
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 3: include overtime in quoting salaries. Of course you can, it's

1191
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 3: what you earn at the end of the day. The

1192
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: numbers quoted out of Australia, which is the example giving

1193
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: many people go to Australia, include specific payments for doing

1194
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: certain shifts at certain times, and indeed overtime. That's a

1195
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 3: standard unionized job. Quote how much did you earn last year?

1196
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 3: You don't then break it down into several different parts.

1197
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: You go ironed X and that was what you weren't

1198
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 3: announces been coming from the White House. So it's working

1199
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: for Trump. Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing Company TSMC, which is the

1200
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: world's largest chip manufacturer, is going to announce in the

1201
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: next day one hundred billion dollar investment in the United

1202
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 3: States over the next four years. They going to base

1203
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: themselves in Arizona. This are going to announced the White

1204
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 3: House with President Trump once he gets back from playing

1205
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: golf in Florida. One hundred billion dollars. So if you

1206
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: put it out there, if you build it, they will

1207
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: come nine minutes away from eight.

1208
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: The mic Hosking breakfast with Vida Retirement, Communities News, Togstad

1209
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: be Mike.

1210
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: What happened to that Mari politician who ripped up the

1211
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 3: paper in Parliament? I can't find any details. I hope

1212
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 3: she was sacked and if she wasn't sacked, you can't

1213
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 3: sack in peace, It's not how it works. Fortunately, privileges

1214
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 3: committee a very slow process. But interestingly enough, I note

1215
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: yesterday that the police have issued speaking the Marian Peace

1216
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: Police have issued a formal warnings DEBI come back from

1217
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 3: Marrednah no do we? Parliament's open airs of today will

1218
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: soon find out. Anyway, issued a formal warning their failure

1219
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: to file audited financial statements to the Electoral Commission incomplete

1220
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three statement was due mid December. They gave

1221
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: it to them in December. It was due in July.

1222
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: It was missing signatures and required an audit report, so

1223
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: sort of didn't fill in the paper properly. The Commission

1224
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: referred the matter to the police back in October. Followed

1225
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: up with the party several times. The report was promised.

1226
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: They kept saying, oh yeah, don't worry, we'll get there.

1227
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: That old line still hasn't been delivered. Donations listed in

1228
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: the financial statements were seven hundred and ninety two dollars

1229
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 3: and fifty eight cents less than had been reported in

1230
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: the donations and loans returned the party filed and May

1231
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 3: last year, so the numbers don't add up either. The

1232
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 3: president of the party is mister J. Tammaherry, who's also

1233
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: been involved, of course with the Mariah, the investigation into

1234
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: the Mariah, the photocopying of various bits and pieces of

1235
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: paper that may or may not have gone somewhere. That's

1236
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: still an investigation on going. Here's the interesting thing. There

1237
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: was a time when this sort of thing was taken

1238
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: seriously and it was embarrassing. And if the police got

1239
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: I mean just the fact that it's got to the

1240
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: police is embarrassing enough. But these guys don't seem to

1241
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: care about any of this. It's just a sort of

1242
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: a laugh a minute. And so Tamaherry yesterday says all

1243
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: will be revealed in good time, in a smart ass

1244
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: way that only Tamaherry can tell you all will be

1245
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: revealed in good time. Rest assured the naughty natives always

1246
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: comply with the letter of the law. He's sort of

1247
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: an angry man. Old John tamahiriy I've decided I'm increasingly

1248
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 3: feel sorry for him. He sort of seems to be

1249
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: permanently angsty and angry. But there was a time when

1250
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: this would be an embarrassment, but seemingly no longer. Mike,

1251
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 3: my partner works for the government, manages a few people.

1252
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 3: The problem is he can't tell them what they're doing

1253
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: wrong or poorly without getting in trouble themselves. They make

1254
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: formal complaints the moment they criticize is that true? As

1255
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: that an urban myth? Do I believe you or not?

1256
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: Things aren't going to improve if we can't tell young

1257
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 3: people in the workplace whether they're doing a bad or

1258
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: an adequate job. Mike grab a second coffee. Country isn't buggered.

1259
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: But we need to keep challenging those lacking integrity and

1260
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: hold them accountable. It's the right thing to do. Keep

1261
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: up the good work. So what do we do with Europe?

1262
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: Had Catherine Field earlier on this morning. They seem to

1263
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 3: be slowly coalescing in some sort of agreement that they

1264
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: need to step up and do more. We've been led

1265
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: by Estonia three and a half or three point four

1266
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: percent of their GDP up to five percent on defense.

1267
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: Starmer seems to be leading the charge on this. They're

1268
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 3: trying to bring America back to the table. What happens

1269
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: to you? How does all this unfold? Military analyst mcryan

1270
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: with us after the news which is next.

1271
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Speaker 2: The news and the news makers the mic hosking breakfast

1272
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Speaker 2: with the range rover villa designed to intrigue and use togsdadv.

1273
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Speaker 3: Well, there's seven past our time for some analysis on

1274
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 3: the change in geopolitical landscape in our backyard and indeed

1275
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: on the other side of the world. The chunk of

1276
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 3: the Chinese navy has caused consternation here and in Australia,

1277
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: while the meltdown at the White House over the weekend

1278
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: has led to panic emergency in Europe over Ukraine. Mcgryan's

1279
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: thirty five year AfD VET these days, senior fellow and

1280
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: in Military Studies at the Lower Institute in Australia, is

1281
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: back with us.

1282
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Speaker 1: Very good morning to you, Good morning mates.

1283
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: Before we get to the White House and everything that's

1284
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: happened in the war in Ukraine, can we just deal

1285
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: quickly with the Chinese the warships which have circumnavigated Australia

1286
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: as far as I can work out what changes, if anything,

1287
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: as a result of what happened in these last few days.

1288
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 18: Well, it may change nothing, but hopefully it will wake

1289
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 18: people up to the threat that the Chinese Navy now

1290
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 18: poses to regions far away from the Chinese homeland. I mean,

1291
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 18: there's no reason for Chinese task forces to be sailing

1292
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 18: in the waters of Australia and New Zealand. There's no

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Speaker 18: threat to them here. We're not stopping in a national trade.

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Speaker 18: This is a direct message to the governments of Australia

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Speaker 18: and New zeal And the United States.

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Speaker 3: What's the message, Well, the message.

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Speaker 18: Is we'll go wherever we want, whenever we want. That

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Speaker 18: we can threaten your trade if you decide to help

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Speaker 18: Taiwan in any contingency. And it's also a test to

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Speaker 18: see what the strength of the Australian alliance is with

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Speaker 18: America at the moment. In the wake of what's been

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Speaker 18: going on in Europe.

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Speaker 3: There seems to be a general reaction globally, and this

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Speaker 3: is not just the Chinese and as part of the world,

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Speaker 3: but the war in general, that everybody needs to spend

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Speaker 3: more on defense. Is that ultimately, do you think where

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Speaker 3: this is going.

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Speaker 18: It's absolutely going there and hopefully we'll go there pretty quickly.

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Speaker 18: For both Australia and New Zealand, we both need to

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Speaker 18: step up.

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Speaker 3: Our games by how much and what? For Australia do

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Speaker 3: you get, what do you need and what difference would

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Speaker 3: it make?

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Speaker 18: Well, there's a bunch of things Australia needs to do

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Speaker 18: first and foremost. We need to expand out domestic defense

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Speaker 18: and we need to build more stuff here. Both Australia

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Speaker 18: and New Zealand will be at the back of the

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Speaker 18: line for defense manufacturers if anything ever happens. We need

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Speaker 18: to build stuff ourselves. We also need larger military forces,

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Speaker 18: not just navies, but armies and air forces are required,

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Speaker 18: one for the deterrent effect they provide, but two to

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Speaker 18: be able to respond to crises in the region and beyond.

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Speaker 3: It required as far as the Chinese is concerned, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you're following the situation with New Zealand and rah

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Speaker 3: It's hunger and Mark Brown went up and signed a

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Speaker 3: cooperative deal with the Chinese last week. How do you

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Speaker 3: balance what China wants in the Pacific versus the defense

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Speaker 3: versus the trade relationship that both our countries have with them.

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Speaker 18: Well, I mean, we should be able to cooperate with China,

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Speaker 18: but at the end of the day, it can't be

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Speaker 18: at the cost of our own sovereignty, in our own prosperity.

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Speaker 18: And what we're seeing more and more is China is

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Speaker 18: trying to subvert different governments throughout the region to align

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Speaker 18: with China or turn away from their relationships with other countries.

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Speaker 18: That's just not in Australia or New Zealand interest. So

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Speaker 18: where we can cooperate, we do. That's the policy of

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Speaker 18: Australia New Zealand. But where we differ, we're going to

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Speaker 18: have to be able to invest in pushing back.

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Speaker 3: How much interest would there have been in what the

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Speaker 3: Chinese did last week in this part of the world

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Speaker 3: from the.

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Speaker 18: US AH, there's certainly a lot of interest in the

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Speaker 18: headquarters of Indo Pacom in Hawaii. I mean, they take

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Speaker 18: very seriously these kind of events, and I have no

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Speaker 18: doubt that the Australian New Zealand militaries would have been

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Speaker 18: sharing a lot of information from the event with them.

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Speaker 18: But they also have a lot of other bits of

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Speaker 18: the specific to look at, So this will just be

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Speaker 18: one of many things to be watching and from.

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Speaker 3: The depend point of view. You've got an election coming

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Speaker 3: up very shortly. We still don't know exactly when, but

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Speaker 3: the policy settings completely different depending on who wins.

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Speaker 18: I think there will be differences. We've already started the

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Speaker 18: bidding contests on the fence, start with the opposition leader

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Speaker 18: Peter Dutton announcing out of the weekend we'll buy another

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Speaker 18: twenty eight thirty five fighters. So I expect that, unlike

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Speaker 18: two weeks ago, defense may now be a more important

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Speaker 18: part of the election.

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Speaker 3: Teamp interesting, All right, hold on mate, we'll come back

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Speaker 3: in a moment start talking about Ukraine. Mcryan out of

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Speaker 3: the Lower Institute. More on the moment. Eleven past eight.

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Speaker 2: The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 3: Stalks Eby fourteen minutes past eight, Mcryan's back with the

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Speaker 3: senior Fellow and Military Studies at the Lowe Institute. Right, Mac,

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Speaker 3: As far as Ukraine's concerned, and what happened to the

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Speaker 3: White House over the weekend, Where does this leave Europe

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Speaker 3: and are they capable of standing alone in defense of

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Speaker 3: Ukraine without America?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I think the over Office ambush was first and

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Speaker 18: foremost a crisis of confidence in America's alliances. That is

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Speaker 18: the probably the worst manifestation of what happened, among others.

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Speaker 18: For Europe, we've just seen the outcomes of the summit

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Speaker 18: in London held by the British Prime Minister, where they've

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Speaker 18: all committed to spend more. Well, we've heard that before time.

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Speaker 18: Europe really must stand up for going to help Ukraine

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Speaker 18: and deter further Russian aggression.

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Speaker 3: To achieve what three years in, what have we got

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Speaker 3: other than the stalemate?

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Speaker 18: Well, first and foremost, so Ukraine doesn't lose. That would

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Speaker 18: be not only a gross moral tragedy for the people

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Speaker 18: of Ukraine. We know what Russia will do to them

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Speaker 18: because we've been watching them torture and murder their way

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Speaker 18: through the occupied territories. But Russia will then turn its

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Speaker 18: attention to other countries. Has already said if wants to

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Speaker 18: attack countries in the Baltics and in Scandinavia because one

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Speaker 18: they're in NATO and two they see them as part

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Speaker 18: of the Russian sphere of influence.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what happens to NATO now? If anything, as a

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Speaker 3: result of what happened to the White House over.

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Speaker 18: The weekend, well, I think cool heads will always hope

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Speaker 18: that NATO remains, but it's going to go through a

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Speaker 18: very trying period at the moment. Now it's gone through

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Speaker 18: trying periods in the asked. It's not the first time

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Speaker 18: there's been a crisis of confidence among members. It might

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Speaker 18: recall nuclear process in the eighties and these kind of things.

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Speaker 18: So you know, it's a difficult period, but it's in

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Speaker 18: all our interests for NATO to endure and continue to

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Speaker 18: increase investment in defense, intelligence and other areas.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think came out of this cir

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Speaker 3: called emergency summit that Starmer was leading. It seems to

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Speaker 3: be more money, more promises, more equipment with a view

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Speaker 3: to doing what holding their own or advancing the cause

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Speaker 3: or maybe heading towards some sort of ceasefire or peace deal.

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Speaker 18: Well, there's a couple of things there. Firstly, be able

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Speaker 18: to give Ukraine the tools to ensure that is able

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Speaker 18: to negotiate a war termination agreement that's favorable to them,

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Speaker 18: including territory, sovereignty, security, its relationships with the West. I

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Speaker 18: think that's a very important outcome. The second one is

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Speaker 18: just to step up the production of defense material in

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Speaker 18: Europe to benefit all of you Europe to provide this

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Speaker 18: deterrent against Russian aggression. And third, you're already seeing discussions

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Speaker 18: emerge around a new nuclear umbrella provided not by America

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Speaker 18: but by Britain and other European nations. That will be

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Speaker 18: a very expensive undertaking and a politically difficult one and

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Speaker 18: will be interesting to watch how that debate matures.

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Speaker 3: Is Europe united on this? And it seems Europe can

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Speaker 3: agree on nothing because they've each got their own individual problems,

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Speaker 3: But on this are they united?

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Speaker 18: Well, you didn't have every European country at this summit,

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Speaker 18: probably for good reason. Countries like Hungary would probably stand

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Speaker 18: against this. They're very much Russian sympathizers. So you know,

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Speaker 18: the head of the EU is underlying will obviously put

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Speaker 18: a plan to the EU Council this week, and it'll

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Speaker 18: be interesting to see which countries actually put up their

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Speaker 18: hands and say we don't agree.

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Speaker 3: What about someone like Germany? Is was he trying to

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Speaker 3: patch together a government at the moment? Are they still

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Speaker 3: heavily involved in and pivotal to whatever they decide going forward?

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Speaker 11: Absolutely?

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Speaker 18: I mean the new chancellor has come out strongly in

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Speaker 18: support of Ukraine and strongly in support of an enhanced

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Speaker 18: European defense capability, and we shouldn't forget that even before him,

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Speaker 18: Germany was the second largest contributor of aids to Ukraine

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Speaker 18: after the United States. They really have provided a massive

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Speaker 18: amount of economic and military aid, and I expect that

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Speaker 18: that will probably have to continue or increase.

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Speaker 3: What do you think happens to the mineral deal even

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Speaker 3: if they patch this up? Is that a way forward

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Speaker 3: in some way, shape or form or not.

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Speaker 11: I think it is.

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Speaker 18: I mean, you know, the details will obviously be negotiated.

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Speaker 18: I mean, if you read the text, there's no detail

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Speaker 18: except that will negotiate the detail in a follow on treating.

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Speaker 18: But what it does do is at least provides a

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Speaker 18: foundational relationship between the United States and Ukraine and gives

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Speaker 18: the US an interest in defending Ukraine. Both those things

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Speaker 18: are important, and hopefully they'll be able to work their

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Speaker 18: way back to that.

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Speaker 3: From the Trump point of view, that seemed to be

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Speaker 3: the thinking, didn't it that, Yes, there's no security guarantee,

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Speaker 3: but if we're on the ground, if we've got interests

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Speaker 3: in that country, that in and of itself is a

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Speaker 3: security guarantee of sorts. Is that how you see it.

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Speaker 18: Well, that's how Trump's now portrayed it in his latest

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Speaker 18: post on his social media. I think there's a bit

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Speaker 18: of backcasting there, but there's some truth in it as well,

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Speaker 18: that if America has an economic interest in Ukraine, it

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Speaker 18: also has a security interest.

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Speaker 3: So also, the Americans have sent somebody to meet Putin,

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Speaker 3: and from what we can gather, Putin's giving nothing like

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Speaker 3: there is nothing to give up here. Is that a

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Speaker 3: problem or is that just bluster.

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Speaker 18: It's a really big problem because the Americans have given

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Speaker 18: Putin everything he wanted before they even start negotiating, and

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Speaker 18: over the weekend cutting cyber operations against Russia is just

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Speaker 18: a ludicrous kind of strategy. We're being pursued at the

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Speaker 18: moment by the Americans with behavior towards the Russians. I mean,

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Speaker 18: what the Russians have done in the last twenty years

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Speaker 18: have been against American interests. They are not going to

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Speaker 18: change their perspective in the world, and the reason they're

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Speaker 18: aligned with China is they don't like the system the

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Speaker 18: Americans have set up since the end of the Second

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Speaker 18: World War, and regardless of what Trump does, They're going

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Speaker 18: to continue to want to change it.

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Speaker 3: All right, give it, what do we do here? Where

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Speaker 3: are we going here? And I bring you in six

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Speaker 3: months one year? I mean, as we got any further

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Speaker 3: down the track or not?

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Speaker 18: Well, I hope so, I hope that talk in Europe

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Speaker 18: has turned into action, but talk in Australia and New

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Speaker 18: Zealand has to turn into action. You know, we need

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Speaker 18: to step up investment in defense, We need to step

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Speaker 18: up investment in diplomacy, with the number one priority being

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Speaker 18: deterring any kind of conflict in our region.

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Speaker 3: All right, listen mate, It's always good to have you

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Speaker 3: on the program. Appreciate it very much. Mcryan thirty five

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Speaker 3: years in the AfD, senior fellow these days military studies

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Speaker 3: at the Loewy Institute. It's coming up A.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one to the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Range

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Speaker 2: Rover Villa News Togs Dead Balks.

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Speaker 3: ATBA twenty four. I should inform you, by the way

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Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister alluded to it briefly in his

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Speaker 3: post cabinet press conference yesterday. But our contribution to the

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Speaker 3: war is minuscule, to say the least, and the last

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Speaker 3: announcement we made with three million dollars in actual cash terms,

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Speaker 3: we trained some people, of course in Britain to go

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Speaker 3: and fight. The Ukrainians come to Britain to be trained

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Speaker 3: by US, and so well, that's continuing. In Australia yesterday

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Speaker 3: announced that they would be sending more tanks but no

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Speaker 3: peacekeeping troops, which I thought was relatively interesting. Meantime, the

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Speaker 3: Republicans still a weekend there. Of course. Tossy Gabbard was

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Speaker 3: on the television yesterday, Director of National Intelligence. She's still

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Speaker 3: pushing for Zelensky to one hold elections and BV he's

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Speaker 3: not going to hold those to quit you to You've

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Speaker 3: got the canceling of elections in Ukraine. You've got political

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01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,879
Speaker 3: parties being silenced or even criminalized, or throne in prisons.

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01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 3: You have the freedom of religion, churches being shut down.

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 3: You have political opposition being silenced. Do you have total

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01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 3: government control of the meat? We could go down a

1511
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: whole laundry list of issues that are against the values

1512
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Speaker 3: of democracy and freedom. What are they actually really fighting

1513
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 3: for and are they aligned with the values that they

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01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 3: claim to hold an agreement with us? The values that

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01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 3: President Trump and Vice President Vance are standing for, and

1516
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 3: those are the values of freedom, of peace and true security.

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: So that's where that's where the Americans are still at.

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01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 3: Forgotten for now is the Second War, which of course

1519
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: is in the Middle East, and that was supposed to

1520
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 3: go into a sort of a phase two, but that's

1521
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: now been held up the claim by her Maas who

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01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: are not wanting to go forward. So Israel as a

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: result of that, has blocked entry to all humanitarian aid

1524
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 3: into Gaza, demanding it Hermas agree to the US plan

1525
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 3: for a ceasefire extension. In the first phase of that

1526
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 3: truce mediated by Egypt, Qatar and the US, expired over

1527
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,520
Speaker 3: the weekend, her mass refusing to accept a temporary extension

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 3: as proposed by the US President. So the humanitarian aid

1529
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 3: is not going on. So there's problems all over the place.

1530
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 3: And here's the irony of ironies. And this has got

1531
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: sort of no coverage at all, And what coverage it

1532
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 3: did get was by the network that employs the bloke

1533
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 3: who's doing it. So what I refer to as a

1534
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 3: new book, and it's a new book on Biden, and

1535
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 3: it's written by a guy called Alex Thompson and a

1536
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: guy called Jake Tapper. And if you know anything about CNN,

1537
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 3: you'll know about Jake Tapper, the guy Thompson works for Axios. Anyway,

1538
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: they're going to co author this book about what had

1539
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: led the Democratic Party to defeat, and in doing the

1540
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 3: research for this particular book, they're calling it a cover up,

1541
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: the cover up of the former president's serious decline. This

1542
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 3: is Biden. We refer to, of course original sin, President

1543
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 3: Biden's decline, the cover up, and his disastrous choice to

1544
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 3: run again. Now the book is out May twenty. What

1545
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: you will learn, this is the blurb, the hype. What

1546
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 3: you will learn makes President Biden's decision to run for

1547
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 3: reelection seem shockingly narcissistic, self delusional, and reckless, a desperate

1548
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 3: bet that went bust, and part of a larger act

1549
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 3: of extended public deception that has few precedents. Now, this

1550
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 3: sort of carries on, and I alluded to it. At

1551
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 3: the very start of the year, The Wall Street Journal

1552
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: had this and there was no coverage anywhere of it.

1553
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: But basically the whole thing was a stitch up. They

1554
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: knew that Biden was trouble, he was going downhill at

1555
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: a rate of knots, and they continue to cover it up. Now,

1556
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: the irony of Jake Tapper, of CNN writing this book

1557
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 3: is where was Jake Tapper and CNN when all this

1558
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 3: was going on for the past four years? Are you

1559
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 3: honestly telling me that CNN and networks of their ILK

1560
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 3: had no clue whatsoever that the president in front of

1561
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 3: them was in serious decline. And at no point did

1562
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: they ever raise this or ring an alarm bell. They

1563
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 3: just waited till it was all over, and then suddenly decided, Oh,

1564
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 3: I know what we'll do. We'll write a book and

1565
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 3: make some money. Go figure.

1566
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: The only report you need to start your day the

1567
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 2: my casting Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate finding the buyers.

1568
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: Others can't use togs headb But.

1569
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 3: So the meetings have been held in Europe and there

1570
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 3: seems to be some sort of alignment that, broadly speaking,

1571
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: we need to spend more on defense. Of course, Estonius

1572
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: lead the way three point four percent of GDP up

1573
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 3: to five percent. Stamer's looking at doing something similar.

1574
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 8: He was in the House on Tuesday announced the biggest

1575
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 8: sustained increase in defense spending since the Cold War, a

1576
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 8: recognition of the fact that once again we live in

1577
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 8: an era where peace in Europe depends upon strength and deterrence.

1578
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 8: But also a rediscovery of the old post war argument

1579
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 8: long held on these benches that economic security is national security.

1580
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: Kimmi seemed onside as well.

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Speaker 19: We recognize that Ukraine is fighting for her survival and

1582
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 19: fighting to have the same freedom, democracy and sovereignty which

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 19: all of us here enjoy. That is why both the

1584
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 19: opposition and the government are fully committed to supporting Ukraine

1585
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 19: and President of Zelenski.

1586
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 2: International correspondence with ends in eye insurance, peace of mind

1587
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: for New Zealand business.

1588
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 3: I hit to the UK and Indo Bride. He's got

1589
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 3: a thing the very morning.

1590
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Speaker 14: Yeah, good morning, Michael, to speak to you again.

1591
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 3: And one of the strange things about Zelinsky and all

1592
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 3: that's unfolded in the last couple of days is that

1593
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 3: it sort of overrides what Starmer I thought did brilliantly

1594
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 3: at the White House the day before that. And if

1595
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 3: you ever wanted to see a diplomat on the international

1596
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 3: stage being brilliant, Stamer was it was that the general

1597
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 3: sense of it.

1598
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 14: Yeah, and it's just a great shame that Starmer's hard

1599
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 14: work has been unraveled so quickly by Vance. That's Europe's

1600
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 14: kind of reading of the people over here. Have been

1601
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 14: appalled by what we saw Friday night. But look, I

1602
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,480
Speaker 14: think Starmer has stepped up. He's had his issues domestically,

1603
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 14: certainly in UK politics. But Europe is on a precipice

1604
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 14: right now. It needs leaders. I mean, Schultz is on

1605
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 14: his way out in Germany. We don't know what Friedrich

1606
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 14: Martz will be like as chancellor. Macron not massively popular

1607
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 14: in France right now, and Kiir Starmer step in not.

1608
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 14: So what we're seeing really is Europe doing its standas

1609
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 14: to come together. We have major issues, we have cracks,

1610
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 14: we have divisions, we have strange people leading. Slovakia and

1611
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 14: Hungary for example, still part of the European Union. But

1612
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 14: I think Starmer, even though Britain is not in the EU,

1613
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 14: is doing his absolute best to step up.

1614
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 3: Do you see a plan here from these emergency meetings

1615
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours or so? Is this

1616
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 3: something cohesive that Europe has to put to America to

1617
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 3: get them back to the table.

1618
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 14: Yes, so the plan, whether Trump accepts it or not,

1619
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 14: But the plan seems to be that Starmer and France

1620
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 14: will offer a peacekeeping force. They may be joined by Italy,

1621
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 14: they may be joined by Norwegian troops. There's even talk.

1622
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 14: I'm actually in Dublin right now, just about to jump

1623
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 14: on a plane, but there has been talking in Ireland.

1624
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 14: We have peace keeping troops in the Lebanon and we

1625
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 14: have had for many decades. There's even talk of Ireland

1626
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 14: getting involved. It will be very, very difficult to sort out.

1627
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 14: But the plan seems to be that if Europe comes

1628
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 14: up with money, comes up with a peacekeeping force, that

1629
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 14: they will go to Trump and ultimately ask him for

1630
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 14: air support as a deterrent. But part of me thinks, Mike,

1631
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 14: the sorting of the peace and keeping it could be

1632
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 14: even more difficult than managing the war, because what if

1633
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 14: peacekeeping troops get hurt by Russia? What if Putin does

1634
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,799
Speaker 14: not respect the ceasefire? And can you imagine a situation

1635
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 14: and that God forbid this ever happens. But a group

1636
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 14: of peacekeeping troops in a truck get hit by a

1637
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 14: Russian missile, Then.

1638
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: What happens exactly, in a burst of reverse psychology, is

1639
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 3: Trump done? Europe a fiber in the sense it seems

1640
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 3: to have co en listened. It seems to have put

1641
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 3: a rocket under them and they've got direct together.

1642
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 14: Ish I think he has he didn't mean to do it,

1643
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 14: but certainly look at the whirlwind of diplomacy we've had

1644
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 14: over the weekend, everyone arriving in London, Zelensky then being invited,

1645
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 14: and I thought this was crucial to meet Charles the

1646
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 14: King at Sandringhen and he wore exactly the same clothes

1647
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 14: as he did Friday night in the White House and

1648
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 14: he was made an actual king, So you know, there

1649
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 14: was no disrespect there whatsoever. He's a wartime leader and

1650
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,920
Speaker 14: he addresses like he does in honor of his troops

1651
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 14: who are giving their blood and their lives every single day.

1652
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 14: So we're on a precipice right now in Europe, and

1653
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 14: ultimately somebody has to stand up to putin because, as

1654
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 14: one military expert said to me last week on my show,

1655
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 14: he won't stop until he stopped.

1656
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 11: No.

1657
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 3: Indeed, like last week he gave out some numbers. It

1658
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 3: was a record number of people applying for asylom in

1659
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 3: Britain and the Dinghies. I know there are various messinations

1660
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: of this and how it all works, but I mean,

1661
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: these Dinghies arriving hundreds and hundreds of people. When does

1662
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 3: it stop? How does it stop? Does anyone know how

1663
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: it stops.

1664
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 14: Well, look the weather has changed for the better. Now

1665
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 14: spring has really sprung. The sea was quite calm yesterday

1666
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 14: and the figures I've got six hundred people came across

1667
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 14: and Dinghy's from the north of France yesterday and successfully

1668
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 14: landed into the Dover area of England. Six hundred people

1669
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 14: in one day. Now the Labor government is doing its

1670
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,879
Speaker 14: utmost saying that you know, we're deporting people and we're

1671
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 14: making it very, very difficult for people to claim asylum.

1672
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 14: Six hundred people in one day the UK. This is

1673
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 14: a standout figure for you. Sixteen million en Z dollars

1674
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 14: a day is being spent on accommodation for asylum seekers.

1675
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 14: Sixteen million a day.

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01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 3: That's unreal life now. Vittriano, I'm a miss offend. Do

1677
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: you like his work? I think he's the do was

1678
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 3: a genius.

1679
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 14: I adore him and I'm very sad to see that

1680
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 14: he has passed today in France at the age of

1681
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 14: seventy three. Jack Vettriano, I don't profess to know anything

1682
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 14: about art. The art establishment hated him and I loved

1683
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 14: them because he made me want to go into galleries.

1684
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 14: He made me want to learn. He made me want

1685
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 14: to appreciate paintings, and the Singing Butler for me is

1686
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 14: the finest painting to come out of Britain in the

1687
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 14: last fifty years. I think he's an absolute genius, or

1688
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 14: he was. I can't believe he's gone. And look that

1689
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 14: the art establishment absolutely hated him, but he had the

1690
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 14: last laugh. He was earning one million enzed a year

1691
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 14: in royalties of Prince of one picture, so he made

1692
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 14: an absolute mountain of cash. Good on him and he

1693
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 14: got complete working class blogs like me to want to

1694
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 14: go and look at an art gallery. And surely that

1695
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 14: is a victory for a painter.

1696
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 3: I reckon, good on you might I appreciate you time

1697
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 3: into Brady in for a rod little this morning. By

1698
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 3: the way, speaking about it, I'm not sure I agree

1699
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 3: with in just saying it's the best painting to come

1700
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: out of Britain the last fifty years. There's very very

1701
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 3: and I've alluded to it before, a very good program

1702
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 3: and I think it's on Amazon. In fact, I'm almost

1703
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 3: certain it's on Amazon. Done by Andrew Mary. Andrew Mayer

1704
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 3: used to be, if not the political editor, certainly a

1705
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 3: political reporter with the BBC. He was the guy who

1706
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 3: had a stroke. He still reports but he's a massive

1707
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 3: art fan and he's done a series called the World's

1708
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 3: Greatest Paintings, including all the obvious ones like Money and

1709
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: stuff like that and the Mona Lisa, etcetera. But there's

1710
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 3: a couple of British paintings in that series that you

1711
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 3: could look at learn The story of the hay Wayne

1712
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 3: is a particularly good example. I'm thinking of that. You

1713
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 3: would argue that maybe there is as good as as that,

1714
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 3: But anyway, go have a look if you're into art generally.

1715
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: By the way, just quickly before we leave Britain, the

1716
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 3: death rate has reached a record low, which is encouraging.

1717
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: It's gone back to pre COVID death certificate. It's registered

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Speaker 3: pandemic levels, slightly below the previous record of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: That's from the Continuous Mortality Investigation Unit, or the CMI.

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Speaker 3: It's encouraging health wise. With what sixteen to nine, the.

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Speaker 2: Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 3: At b thirteen minutes away from nine, I'm laughing at

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Speaker 3: stuff this morning. They've taken the Prime Minister's line about

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Speaker 3: sandwiches on the show, and they've run with it. So

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Speaker 3: they've got their big lead story. Now about, you know,

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Speaker 3: get a bit of moment. And and good on them

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Speaker 3: for saying it too, because there's been too much sort

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Speaker 3: of dancing around the subject. And I'm sick and tired

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Speaker 3: of the moaning, and just like, if you don't like it,

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Speaker 3: don't take it, stop moaning, don't take it, do your

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Speaker 3: own thing. Anyway. Point B. They're running a poll on

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Speaker 3: the so what he said, if you missed it earlier

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Speaker 3: on this morning it was this time last hour. He said,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you don't like it, you know, make

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Speaker 3: a marmte sandwich and stick an apple in the bag.

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Speaker 3: And I thought, good on them. Anyway, they're running a pole,

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Speaker 3: and we're on the right side of this, thank goodness,

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Speaker 3: because the pole at this particular point in time, the

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Speaker 3: question being is a marmite sandwich and an apple a

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Speaker 3: good enough lunch? And the answer is nineteen percent say

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Speaker 3: maybe in the eighties, not anymore, nineteen percent, fifty four

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Speaker 3: percent the majority yes, it's perfectly fine, So we are

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Speaker 3: on the right side of this. But twenty seven percent

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Speaker 3: and This is the problem with New Zealand. Not everyone

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Speaker 3: can afford a marmite sandwich in an apple. What crap.

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Speaker 3: If you can't afford a marmite sandwich in an apple,

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Speaker 3: you can't afford anything. Therefore you're being stupid. So fifty

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Speaker 3: four to twenty seven and nineteen, I.

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Speaker 10: Mean, I found these results disturbing just because it appears

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Speaker 10: that people think that marmite is better than veggie mighte.

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Speaker 3: That's what it might take you loot that can of worms?

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Speaker 3: Are you? Did you say that veggiemite is cheaper than marmite?

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Speaker 10: Yes, so it is true that people can't afford vegimite.

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Speaker 3: So they can't afford vegie might because vegie might's more

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Speaker 3: expensive than marmite. Correct, Okay, so let's say that.

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Speaker 10: So it's not true.

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Speaker 3: What that way. That's so the twenty six percent are wrong.

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Speaker 11: That they are wrong.

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Speaker 10: Mamite's cheaper, okay than vegimit. And I'm reading between the

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Speaker 10: lines here that this is more about may mite versus

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Speaker 10: vegimi than it is I think.

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Speaker 3: That's what it is. Good bunches. David Seymore has been like,

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Speaker 3: if you want to stay in touch with us, I

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Speaker 3: don't know why you would. But anyway, School Lunch Collective

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Speaker 3: dot CO dot m ZAI they keep the stats every day.

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Speaker 3: For Monday, which was yesterday, they serviced four hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty seven schools. See, it's not even that that many

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Speaker 3: schools did, mean how many schools are than in the country.

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Speaker 3: It's over two thousand schools in the country. I think

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Speaker 3: remembory four hundred and forty seven schools. They'd delivered one

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty one thousand, four hundred and fifty six meals,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty one thousand, four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: six meals, ninety nine point zero two percent would delivered

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Speaker 3: on time. That to me twenty five hundred, twenty five

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Speaker 3: hundred schools in the country. So what are you dealing with.

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Speaker 3: You're dealing with about twenty percent of schools of getting

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Speaker 3: the lunches for goodness sake, So eighty percent of the

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Speaker 3: schools are just getting on with life. Well, thank the

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Speaker 3: good And that goes once again to the sort of

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Speaker 3: the obsession the media has with a minority of people

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Speaker 3: doing a minority of things. You think that every school

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Speaker 3: in the country is getting these lunches, and every school

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Speaker 3: there's some sort of catastrophic disaster unfolding. I mean, twenty

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Speaker 3: percent of the schools in this country get the lunches anyway.

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine point zero two percent would delivered on time,

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Speaker 3: which in my book is good enough. And second of all,

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Speaker 3: fifty five percent agree officially according to the survey, that

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Speaker 3: a mumte sandwich and an apple is just fine, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. Nine away from nine.

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Speaker 2: The Mate Hosking breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate news dogs,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of the sort of reaction. Mike, I'm

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Speaker 3: fifty two. In the eighties, I had Mumu and Chue

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Speaker 3: sandwiches every day for five years. It wasn't till the

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Speaker 3: two thousands that are pimped it out with lettuce. There

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01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 3: is a lot of that. Do we all just sound

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Speaker 3: old in that sense that this business of having the

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Speaker 3: same ish lunch every day was a thing. It's just

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Speaker 3: what you did, and that's what you ask for. What

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01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 3: do you want? You couldn't be bothered thinking mum Major sandwiches.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't be bothered thinking what it was, and you

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Speaker 3: just had what you had. Could we extend it, Mike

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Speaker 3: to a marmite and chip sandwich should bring the percentage

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Speaker 3: up to at least ten percent. Mike, if you can't

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Speaker 3: afford this is what people are going. If you can't

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Speaker 3: afford a mar Marte Sandmage and Apple for your kids

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Speaker 3: school lunch, and you can't afford he kits, and I

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Speaker 3: think there's probably something that can. I congratulate Toyota, who

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01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 3: have rounded out, as far as I can tell, just

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Speaker 3: about every car manufacturer in the entire world. Last week

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Speaker 3: it was Mercedes with their engines and the V eights,

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Speaker 3: and also BMW with their Mini saying that the electric

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Speaker 3: is off and we're investing in car engines, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Toyota it was yesterday, remain committed to high performance internal

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Speaker 3: combustion in cars for the foreseeable. Combustion engines and manual

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Speaker 3: transmissions will be around for a long long time. God

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Speaker 3: bless them. There actively exploring and this is the other

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Speaker 3: area that you want to follow if you're moderately interested

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Speaker 3: in any of this. The whole eb hybrid thing they're

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Speaker 3: exploring now, and Porsche have been doing this for ages

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Speaker 3: synthetic fiels, and they think they're going to come up

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Speaker 3: with some sort of synthetic fuel which is basically good

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01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: for the planet, while at the same time can run

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Speaker 3: an ic engine. So I think that's probably where we're

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Speaker 3: going to end up five minutes away from nine.

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Speaker 2: Trending now with the chemist Wells keeping Kiwi's healthy.

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Speaker 1: All year round.

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Speaker 3: Now, our old mate Steve Price, who's on this program

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Speaker 3: Mondays and Wednesdays. When he's not on this program Mondays

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Speaker 3: and Windays, pops up on the television periodically does the project.

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Speaker 3: You see him? I think he's on Friday Night on

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Speaker 3: Sky tevening, but he's also on the Project on Channel

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Speaker 3: ten in Australia. They were discussing the story about a

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Speaker 3: newer s chap called air Tasker. It's an app where

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Speaker 3: you put out an ad for your services. Other people

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Speaker 3: put up a service that they might want. So they

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Speaker 3: were talking about a woman who put up a message

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Speaker 3: on the app and would pay one hundred dollars to

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Speaker 3: get somebody to bring her some sneakers while out at

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Speaker 3: the club so she could get out of her high heels.

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Speaker 3: Do you pay one hundred dollars to not wear high heels?

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Speaker 18: That's the most ridiculous over privilege, what wanky thing I've

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Speaker 18: ever heard.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just because you're happy to wear high heels.

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Speaker 1: I actually wore.

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Speaker 3: Did anyway. I mean that woman's got too much money.

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Speaker 7: I agree one hundred dollars to do.

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Speaker 3: It's not a hack because.

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Speaker 1: You've got second an smelly sneakers.

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Speaker 3: And then there you go. So that's gone off. Apparently

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Speaker 3: great to hear our Prime Minister agree. Marmat sandwich and

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Speaker 3: an apple sufficient for school lunch children. I certainly don't

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Speaker 3: need a meal. What about the obesity problem. I used

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Speaker 3: to love a peanut butter sandwich, but apparently there aren't

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Speaker 3: allowed to have those of you more. Yeah, the peanut

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01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 3: he that's been a thing as well. Of course. It's

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Speaker 3: just we've got very very sensitive around these things. And

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Speaker 3: every I can't remember what day it was, but whatever

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Speaker 3: they say, it was a Tuesday. You got your twenty

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Speaker 3: cents and you could do one day in which they

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Speaker 3: brought in the lunches and everyone went for a pie.

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Speaker 3: So everyone went for a pie, and so they got

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Speaker 3: little pipe pie and a just juice one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: well down to see we did a coke.

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Speaker 10: Sometimes I would really push the boat out and go

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Speaker 10: for a zap.

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Speaker 3: Zap was cool, you know, that was cool.

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Speaker 15: And a what was it?

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Speaker 3: Was it Swiss yogurt?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 10: What was the was made?

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't Swiss made. What was the yogurt that

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Speaker 3: had the strawberries in it? Strawberries and the yogurt, and

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Speaker 3: it was the household name of yogurt at the time. No,

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Speaker 3: you're going back. You got to go back a little

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 3: further than that. Yeah, I am so old, Sam, So

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Speaker 3: we're going down memory late.

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Speaker 10: I remember it was pretty revolutionary when your play came

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01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 10: on the scene. All those all those people in the

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Speaker 10: ads pretending they could speak French but didn't.

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Speaker 3: Every we went and we we we just ate the

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Speaker 3: same thing every day and we were happy. Look what

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Speaker 3: happened to us? Look at us now? For goodness, sake

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Speaker 3: back tomorrow morning? Is the West? We happy? Does question?

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