WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 191: Lineup predictions for the Bengaluru test 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sad B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:20.133 --> 0:00:21.653 Yeah, take another pat. 0:00:21.573 --> 0:00:22.493 Now we don't get in. 0:00:22.933 --> 0:00:23.613 It's a trick. 0:00:24.213 --> 0:00:24.773 It is out. 0:00:25.093 --> 0:00:25.933 The test is over. 0:00:28.133 --> 0:00:30.053 Couldn't smoke from. 0:00:29.813 --> 0:00:31.893 Us A beauty it is out and. 0:00:31.973 --> 0:00:32.533 Hear you guys. 0:00:32.613 --> 0:00:33.613 This delivery has in. 0:00:33.853 --> 0:00:34.973 Many US as we bow. 0:00:37.253 --> 0:00:40.653 On the front foot with Brian Waddle and Jeremy Cody 0:00:40.973 --> 0:00:44.853 powered by News Talks dead B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:46.493 --> 0:00:49.973 Hello, we're on the front foot again. Three tests in India. 0:00:50.093 --> 0:00:53.853 We haven't won there since nineteen eighty eight on Katie 0:00:54.013 --> 0:00:56.653 Yep thirty six years ago. I think we've only ever 0:00:56.733 --> 0:01:01.853 won there twice NK Poor and nineteen sixty nine. Bangalore 0:01:02.013 --> 0:01:04.933 is first up. We paid tribute to another black bet 0:01:04.973 --> 0:01:08.173 who passed away last week and two wins for the 0:01:08.613 --> 0:01:12.093 pos as they I a semi final based at the 0:01:12.133 --> 0:01:17.173 World T twenty and Garth Galloway and Jeremy Coney with 0:01:17.293 --> 0:01:21.093 me and I got some bewildering yous from Moultan, your 0:01:21.093 --> 0:01:24.373 favorite ground at Jeremy as bory as it would have 0:01:24.413 --> 0:01:28.053 been watching Pakistan score five fifty six in England eight 0:01:28.133 --> 0:01:31.253 hundred and twenty three. Finally, a game of cricket broke out. 0:01:31.733 --> 0:01:34.573 At least Brooke had a strike rate of ninety eight 0:01:34.653 --> 0:01:37.253 after scoring three hundred and seventeen. But do you know 0:01:37.333 --> 0:01:41.893 what sober wildering they're contemplating playing the second ties on 0:01:42.013 --> 0:01:45.293 the same strip, did you believe it? 0:01:44.933 --> 0:01:49.933 Well, actually, Evan Gray sent me a picture I think 0:01:49.973 --> 0:01:53.013 on Instagram or something. I don't even have Instagram, but 0:01:54.133 --> 0:01:58.373 it showed two old fashioned fans at one at each 0:01:58.493 --> 0:02:02.573 end of the pitch that obviously that obviously watered where 0:02:02.613 --> 0:02:07.253 all the bowler's footmarks were. And they had a couple 0:02:07.253 --> 0:02:11.253 of people peddling wildly to get these fans going around 0:02:11.253 --> 0:02:14.053 to try and dry the pitch. But the Jets it 0:02:14.173 --> 0:02:17.213 was a it's an interesting idea. It's an interesting idea. 0:02:17.293 --> 0:02:18.573 Let's play another game on it. 0:02:18.933 --> 0:02:20.933 Yeah, Well, when I read that there were fans out 0:02:20.933 --> 0:02:22.253 in the middle, I thought there were a couple of 0:02:22.293 --> 0:02:24.933 spectators had climbed the fence, but I found out that 0:02:25.053 --> 0:02:28.773 they were actually blowing fans. You wouldn't have seen that, 0:02:29.493 --> 0:02:31.133 gosh that had whipped their hair off the top of 0:02:31.133 --> 0:02:32.013 your head, wouldn't. 0:02:31.733 --> 0:02:33.893 It doesn't take much to whip the hair off the 0:02:33.893 --> 0:02:36.493 top of my head, but I in fact, there isn't 0:02:36.493 --> 0:02:39.493 any hair there. But the thing, yeah, it's if they 0:02:39.493 --> 0:02:41.773 were fans, they wouldn't have been people because of when 0:02:41.813 --> 0:02:43.893 any fans watching the game. Wise, I don't know if 0:02:43.933 --> 0:02:47.333 you tuned in, but the whole thing is covered on YouTube, 0:02:47.453 --> 0:02:49.933 which is quite nice. So you get that here Athurs 0:02:49.973 --> 0:02:53.213 and Hussein and goers back in the team and I 0:02:53.293 --> 0:02:53.853 watched quite a. 0:02:53.853 --> 0:02:54.493 Lot of it. 0:02:54.733 --> 0:02:57.573 But they were saying and that's why this news comes 0:02:57.733 --> 0:03:01.413 as such a surprise, because they during that coverage they 0:03:01.493 --> 0:03:05.173 identified the pitch for the new game and it was 0:03:05.453 --> 0:03:07.253 a couple of pitches away. It had a bit of 0:03:07.253 --> 0:03:10.293 green grass on it. This thing, so it does seem 0:03:10.533 --> 0:03:13.053 very strange. Indeed, I think one of the most lifeless 0:03:13.093 --> 0:03:17.933 pictures I've ever seen in test cricket. Very strange, I suppose. 0:03:17.973 --> 0:03:19.413 I mean, the other thing I thought was intoing. The 0:03:19.413 --> 0:03:23.133 Bamie Army were there in the small number, and I 0:03:23.133 --> 0:03:25.733 don't think I saw a Pakistan fan in the ground. 0:03:26.253 --> 0:03:30.413 Only those ones gath who usually do that sort of 0:03:30.773 --> 0:03:35.373 sipping of the tea, yes, yes, and not knowing quite 0:03:35.413 --> 0:03:37.373 what to do for thirty seconds. 0:03:37.853 --> 0:03:40.093 Yeah, and they may be planted. I'm not sure. If 0:03:40.093 --> 0:03:41.733 they're cricket fans. 0:03:42.573 --> 0:03:46.333 They're looking the wrong way. 0:03:46.173 --> 0:03:49.333 Very very good at drinking tea. 0:03:50.013 --> 0:03:51.933 There'll be something for us to watch and I'll pick 0:03:51.973 --> 0:03:53.733 it up on YouTube if that's where it can be 0:03:53.773 --> 0:03:56.213 picked up. The Black Caps hardly had their feet on 0:03:56.253 --> 0:03:58.693 the ground before they were entering a short warm up 0:03:58.733 --> 0:04:02.733 phase for the three Test series with India. Such as 0:04:02.853 --> 0:04:06.773 International Crickets these days, limited warm up time and for 0:04:06.813 --> 0:04:09.733 Garry Stead, limited time to says the pitch in being 0:04:09.773 --> 0:04:13.493 Aluru for the first Test, but enough time to make 0:04:13.613 --> 0:04:15.093 crucial decisions. 0:04:14.693 --> 0:04:17.573 Going on on past conditions here. I think the decision 0:04:17.613 --> 0:04:20.173 for us to make will be whether we play three 0:04:20.213 --> 0:04:24.773 seemas or just the two. It's interesting when you look 0:04:24.813 --> 0:04:28.613 at the last series that India have just played against Bangladesh, 0:04:28.693 --> 0:04:33.013 albeit not at this ground, that they have played three 0:04:33.053 --> 0:04:37.493 seemas in their own conditions. So I think once, I mean, 0:04:37.573 --> 0:04:38.773 you've been here before as well. 0:04:38.813 --> 0:04:39.413 You know that. 0:04:41.333 --> 0:04:43.973 It's conditions that will take turn at some stage. It's 0:04:44.013 --> 0:04:46.853 just how much support there is I think for the 0:04:46.853 --> 0:04:49.053 Seemas in the early stages of the game. 0:04:49.733 --> 0:04:51.733 Yeah, I suppose you've got a lot of players. You've 0:04:51.773 --> 0:04:55.733 also played the t turny cricket there IPL, but the 0:04:56.013 --> 0:04:59.613 conditions may be just a little bit different from what 0:04:59.653 --> 0:05:00.653 you get in those games. 0:05:01.213 --> 0:05:01.453 Yeah. 0:05:01.493 --> 0:05:04.573 Absolutely, And look, I mean this is a high scoring 0:05:05.093 --> 0:05:08.093 ground when you look at the IPL and it's not 0:05:08.133 --> 0:05:10.093 a it's not a huge ground. And we played here 0:05:10.093 --> 0:05:13.013 twice through the twenty twenty three World Cup as well, 0:05:13.333 --> 0:05:16.333 a very high scoring loss to Pakistan and the Duckworth 0:05:16.413 --> 0:05:20.733 Lewis game where we scored four hundred. So look, we 0:05:21.853 --> 0:05:25.813 have some experience here recently, but just just really looking 0:05:25.813 --> 0:05:28.613 forward to getting getting into training today in the next 0:05:28.613 --> 0:05:33.213 three days before we start this match. It's always exciting 0:05:33.213 --> 0:05:36.253 to come to India. They are a real challenge. They 0:05:37.373 --> 0:05:42.413 have a vast, i think array an experience of cricketers 0:05:42.453 --> 0:05:44.453 now and the IPL has certainly helped to grow that 0:05:44.533 --> 0:05:44.853 for them. 0:05:45.133 --> 0:05:47.653 What areas do you want to see the most improvement 0:05:47.733 --> 0:05:48.813 from the last series. 0:05:49.373 --> 0:05:51.933 Look, I think two things stand out for me. One 0:05:52.053 --> 0:05:55.453 is if we can get partnerships and we start and 0:05:55.973 --> 0:05:59.493 put them under pressure, it's maintaining that for longer. So 0:06:00.093 --> 0:06:03.013 I think in three of the fore innings in Sri 0:06:03.093 --> 0:06:06.413 Lanka we actually batted very well in difficult conditions and 0:06:06.453 --> 0:06:09.453 the pitch can change very very quickly over here, So 0:06:09.493 --> 0:06:12.853 it's about recognizing that and when we do get in 0:06:13.213 --> 0:06:15.413 is pushing in for big ones. And with the ball, 0:06:15.653 --> 0:06:18.533 it really just comes down to accuracy and consistency. So 0:06:18.813 --> 0:06:22.053 whether that's spin or scene, we've seen that the most 0:06:22.053 --> 0:06:25.613 successful I think players in these conditions it does come 0:06:25.653 --> 0:06:29.853 down to accuracy. And you look at Again and Dere 0:06:30.093 --> 0:06:35.333 and someone like Ashwin and Judasia who just I guess 0:06:35.933 --> 0:06:38.813 they survive on their accuracy over here. And it's something 0:06:38.853 --> 0:06:42.693 that we keep talking about with our players is our 0:06:42.733 --> 0:06:44.653 ability to do that will be very important through this 0:06:45.053 --> 0:06:45.813 series as well. 0:06:46.893 --> 0:06:48.613 What attitude do you want to take into the test 0:06:48.653 --> 0:06:50.253 in terms of on the pack, You really have to 0:06:50.293 --> 0:06:52.333 take them on like the old days of when we 0:06:52.413 --> 0:06:55.733 played Australia, rather than just looking for survival. You've got 0:06:55.733 --> 0:06:57.453 to take them on and make the play. 0:06:58.293 --> 0:07:00.893 Yeah, I think that depends a little bit on how 0:07:00.933 --> 0:07:03.573 the pitch is playing at the time, but we've certainly 0:07:03.573 --> 0:07:06.213 talked about wanting to be a team that plays with 0:07:06.773 --> 0:07:11.173 I guess a slightly more aggressive It's it's got to 0:07:11.213 --> 0:07:14.053 become what it has to come natural to the players. 0:07:14.093 --> 0:07:17.173 We have though as well, so we're asking our players 0:07:17.213 --> 0:07:20.053 to play with a style that they're going to walk 0:07:20.053 --> 0:07:21.933 off the park at the end of the day saying, hey, 0:07:21.933 --> 0:07:23.733 I can I can live and die by it, by 0:07:23.773 --> 0:07:27.133 the way that I've played out there. And and because 0:07:27.173 --> 0:07:29.573 ultimately it is their careers, it's the ones that that 0:07:30.293 --> 0:07:33.573 they are. They are batting and bowling in their careers, 0:07:33.613 --> 0:07:38.013 it's no one else, So we are encouraging them to 0:07:38.053 --> 0:07:41.253 play that way, and we certainly know against India to 0:07:41.693 --> 0:07:44.213 beat them, especially if it does start turning, then you 0:07:44.293 --> 0:07:46.773 have to take a certain amount of risk and with 0:07:46.813 --> 0:07:49.973 the bat to score the runs that you want to score. 0:07:50.533 --> 0:07:52.533 Any update on Cain Williamson. 0:07:52.653 --> 0:07:54.573 He certainly won't be here to Test one, but we 0:07:54.733 --> 0:07:56.813 just play that by air at the moment and we're 0:07:56.893 --> 0:07:59.733 hopeful that he'll be He'll be right for Test too. 0:08:00.093 --> 0:08:02.013 When will a decision be made? 0:08:02.573 --> 0:08:05.533 Look, I imagine it will be somewhere through that middle 0:08:05.573 --> 0:08:08.693 of the first Test, and then I think this still 0:08:08.693 --> 0:08:11.413 three or four days in between the two tests, so 0:08:12.293 --> 0:08:15.853 it's probably no different to us getting here yesterday and 0:08:15.533 --> 0:08:17.453 being ready for a test in four days. 0:08:17.613 --> 0:08:20.853 Depending on your selections. Who's going about at number. 0:08:20.613 --> 0:08:24.453 Eight someone has to say yeah, look, I mean Matt 0:08:24.453 --> 0:08:27.733 Henry's scored runs there before. Tim Soudy's better than that position. 0:08:27.773 --> 0:08:30.133 They've both scored fifties and that for New Zealand, So 0:08:30.693 --> 0:08:34.573 that's always the balance. I think that possibly in New 0:08:34.653 --> 0:08:40.093 Zealand becomes more you think about it more there, especially 0:08:40.133 --> 0:08:42.893 if it's going to be like real Seema friendly. I 0:08:42.893 --> 0:08:44.573 think here the first thing you want to do is 0:08:44.613 --> 0:08:46.693 make sure you've got the bowl, as you think that 0:08:46.773 --> 0:08:50.533 can take twenty wickets as well, and that's certainly part 0:08:50.533 --> 0:08:52.773 of the thinking as we go into this first Test. 0:08:52.973 --> 0:08:55.013 What about number three? Will Young? 0:08:55.853 --> 0:08:58.853 Yeah, I would imagine so, yeah, I see that Will 0:08:58.973 --> 0:09:01.773 Young is likely to slot into that position. 0:09:02.053 --> 0:09:04.413 What's the latest situation with Kyle Jamison. 0:09:04.693 --> 0:09:10.413 Yeah, Kyle's progressing well. I haven't obviously seen him for 0:09:10.453 --> 0:09:12.613 a while now being that we've been over here, but 0:09:12.853 --> 0:09:16.933 I've seen some video of him and he's tracking along nicely. 0:09:17.093 --> 0:09:20.933 I mean the plan is still for him to start 0:09:20.973 --> 0:09:24.293 in that super smash type window and he's sent me 0:09:24.333 --> 0:09:26.693 on track to be ready for that. 0:09:27.573 --> 0:09:32.053 There's some quite interesting comments in there. One of those 0:09:32.373 --> 0:09:36.293 is south to be considered as a number eight. I 0:09:36.333 --> 0:09:38.413 can't believe it. I mean, he struggles to be a 0:09:38.453 --> 0:09:42.533 number eleven at Test match level. Batting at number eight. Goodness, 0:09:42.533 --> 0:09:45.653 gracious me, is that what Gazilla is reduced to. 0:09:47.053 --> 0:09:49.933 It seems incredible, doesn't it. I mean, you know, so 0:09:50.053 --> 0:09:54.253 many fans have been so frustrated over the Southy's betting 0:09:54.293 --> 0:09:56.333 for such a long time. We all know the contribution 0:09:56.453 --> 0:09:59.973 he's made with the ball, you know, I can't remember 0:10:00.013 --> 0:10:04.413 the last time that he, in the old fashioned phrase, 0:10:04.453 --> 0:10:07.253 got his head done and played a proper cricket knock. 0:10:07.973 --> 0:10:10.973 He is seemingly just constantly trying to hit the ball 0:10:11.013 --> 0:10:14.293 over the boundary from his number nine position. You know, 0:10:14.333 --> 0:10:16.813 I think his batting, I think he's let himself down 0:10:16.853 --> 0:10:19.213 in New Zealand down with his batting over an extended 0:10:19.213 --> 0:10:23.733 period of time. And it just shows you the sort 0:10:23.773 --> 0:10:27.693 of lack of well, this inability to get out of 0:10:27.693 --> 0:10:30.373 the club really that I call this team now, And 0:10:31.013 --> 0:10:34.653 it just seems like I for starters, I didn't think 0:10:34.653 --> 0:10:36.973 Saldy would get picked for the Test, and I think 0:10:37.013 --> 0:10:40.493 that's the right selection. But then to pick him and 0:10:40.613 --> 0:10:44.613 play him at number eight, I just find it extraordinary. 0:10:45.253 --> 0:10:48.213 And the whole thing is so sad really seeing a 0:10:48.293 --> 0:10:53.013 captain having to stand down as captain during a series 0:10:53.093 --> 0:10:56.733 or before this new series starts going to Sri Lanka 0:10:56.773 --> 0:11:02.733 and underperforming having underperformed in series before that. It's very 0:11:02.853 --> 0:11:05.613 amusing and I'm sure there will be a lot of 0:11:05.653 --> 0:11:09.333 New Zealand fans who are extremely frustrated by what they 0:11:09.373 --> 0:11:10.173 hear and see. 0:11:10.813 --> 0:11:14.253 Jerry, You've had a look at teams that could be 0:11:14.293 --> 0:11:17.173 picked out of the squad that they've got there, and 0:11:17.213 --> 0:11:20.893 I don't think any of those teams included Sauvi from 0:11:21.733 --> 0:11:26.533 our point of view. Unless Stead is determined to play 0:11:26.613 --> 0:11:29.613 three seamers as India have done, as he mentioned, and 0:11:29.653 --> 0:11:34.173 that would be Sauve, will I Rourke and Matt Henry, 0:11:34.213 --> 0:11:35.053 then wouldn't. 0:11:34.693 --> 0:11:38.373 It Probably wid I think the underlying issue about the 0:11:38.373 --> 0:11:42.453 New Zealand side is and the number eight position you're 0:11:42.453 --> 0:11:44.973 talking about, is that none of our main bowl is 0:11:45.053 --> 0:11:49.613 bat That's an issue at this level. Now, Why has 0:11:49.653 --> 0:11:55.653 that happened? Why has Saudi allowed himself to treat his 0:11:55.733 --> 0:11:59.933 batting in such a frivolous way? But for so long? 0:12:01.173 --> 0:12:03.693 I hear Steed said he got a fifty at number 0:12:03.733 --> 0:12:06.173 eight or something like that. I had a quick look 0:12:06.733 --> 0:12:11.733 in twenty twenty three he got seventy three against England 0:12:11.733 --> 0:12:13.653 at the base in reserve. You remember the time they 0:12:13.693 --> 0:12:17.013 won by one run in England, you know inserted, and 0:12:17.013 --> 0:12:18.773 you said, well they got to follow on, didn't they? 0:12:18.773 --> 0:12:21.613 And they were in the field for so long. And 0:12:21.653 --> 0:12:23.413 that was at a strike rate of one hundred and 0:12:23.453 --> 0:12:27.693 forty nine, which just highlights Garth's point back promptly. Then 0:12:27.853 --> 0:12:31.373 five years before that, twenty eighteen, he got a fifty 0:12:32.013 --> 0:12:34.573 that was at christ Church strike rate one hundred and 0:12:34.573 --> 0:12:38.613 four versus England again. And four years before that two 0:12:38.613 --> 0:12:42.373 thousand and fourteen, he got a forty at Leeds strike 0:12:42.453 --> 0:12:46.093 rate of one hundred and sixty six. So you can 0:12:46.133 --> 0:12:48.893 see if Saudi bats at eight, is he going to 0:12:48.973 --> 0:12:53.893 smash Ashwyn over five hundred and twenty Test wickets? Now 0:12:54.013 --> 0:12:59.733 Jadasia or Boomera around, is he going to smash Sarah 0:12:59.653 --> 0:13:03.773 will simply bounce him. So I think if you look 0:13:03.773 --> 0:13:08.333 at past New Zealand sides ninety nine two thousand Flemings 0:13:08.413 --> 0:13:13.533 team in India number eight, Chris Keirns, number nine, Dion 0:13:13.693 --> 0:13:20.493 Nash number ten, Daniel Vittori, that's an interesting eight nine ten, 0:13:20.573 --> 0:13:23.133 isn't it. And then in nineteen eighty five New Zealand 0:13:23.173 --> 0:13:26.973 played Australia. That's our team. We didn't play against India. 0:13:27.733 --> 0:13:31.773 Number eight Smith, number nine Braceful, both of those two 0:13:32.133 --> 0:13:37.333 dot Test hundreds, Number ten Lance Keirns. And then you 0:13:37.413 --> 0:13:39.773 go back to that team you were talking about fifty 0:13:39.813 --> 0:13:43.613 five years ago, nineteen sixty nine in India, Number eight 0:13:43.653 --> 0:13:48.453 Wadsworth top score eighty, number nine Dale Hadley top score 0:13:48.533 --> 0:13:52.973 fifty six, number ten Bob Curis top score fifty one, 0:13:53.773 --> 0:13:58.053 and number eleven Hendley Howard top score sixty one. They 0:13:58.053 --> 0:14:01.013 could all hold a bat and you compare it to 0:14:01.093 --> 0:14:04.053 the lot that we've got. Now there is an issue, 0:14:04.053 --> 0:14:05.333 isn't it straight away? 0:14:05.533 --> 0:14:06.813 And the other thing that you meet you when you 0:14:06.853 --> 0:14:09.573 talk about heavy houth and you know in nineteen sixty 0:14:09.653 --> 0:14:11.933 nine he took nine wickets in the testments that they 0:14:11.973 --> 0:14:14.093 wanted in the eight or nine, so he could bowl 0:14:14.133 --> 0:14:14.853 as well. 0:14:16.413 --> 0:14:16.653 Well. 0:14:18.053 --> 0:14:22.293 When you look at Saudi's last ten innings in this 0:14:22.413 --> 0:14:25.173 calendar year, he's faced i think one hundred and two 0:14:25.253 --> 0:14:27.773 balls and ten innings. His scores are five to one 0:14:27.933 --> 0:14:31.933 seven twenty six, not three two two ten and he's 0:14:31.933 --> 0:14:32.653 been promoted. 0:14:33.213 --> 0:14:37.173 It just says why we need someone like a Nathan 0:14:37.293 --> 0:14:41.013 Smith who can bowl his little seema and swing it 0:14:41.093 --> 0:14:43.373 a wee bit. Got the most wickets in the in 0:14:43.413 --> 0:14:46.853 the Planket Shield last year. Has been over playing in 0:14:46.933 --> 0:14:50.733 England of that sort of player, but he can hold 0:14:50.733 --> 0:14:52.213 a bat as well well. 0:14:52.253 --> 0:14:54.653 I think I think more importantly Jerry, you know I 0:14:55.213 --> 0:14:58.053 agree with you completely, but I bit more importantly. It 0:14:58.813 --> 0:15:01.973 just cries out for you know, a massive shift in thinking, 0:15:01.973 --> 0:15:04.333 and that means a change in personnel in terms of 0:15:04.373 --> 0:15:07.173 I think Gary Steden co time for a change. This 0:15:07.293 --> 0:15:11.333 sort of thinking as woolly and can't last. 0:15:11.373 --> 0:15:12.013 I'm afraid. 0:15:12.173 --> 0:15:14.253 The other person, of course, that I don't think that 0:15:14.293 --> 0:15:16.733 they can include in this Test match is Mitchell Sentner. 0:15:16.853 --> 0:15:19.733 Either more from a bowling point of view rather than 0:15:19.733 --> 0:15:20.693 a batting point of view. 0:15:20.893 --> 0:15:25.293 He is being picked again as a specialist spinner wads. 0:15:25.373 --> 0:15:28.893 I think he's played in twenty eight Tests now. He's 0:15:28.973 --> 0:15:32.733 taken his wickets at a cost of forty two runs. 0:15:33.093 --> 0:15:35.573 His best bowling figures are three for forty four in 0:15:35.613 --> 0:15:38.933 a Test match. He's never taken five wickets. He's never 0:15:38.973 --> 0:15:42.493 taken four wickets in a Test innings, and yet he 0:15:42.533 --> 0:15:45.493 has played twenty eight Test matches for New Zealand as 0:15:45.493 --> 0:15:49.613 a specialist spin bowler again. You know, I think New 0:15:49.733 --> 0:15:52.573 Zealand cricket should that we should hang our heads in 0:15:52.653 --> 0:15:56.733 shame that he has picked as a front line spin bowler. 0:15:57.013 --> 0:15:59.973 And I think the fact that Sody has been called 0:16:00.013 --> 0:16:04.253 in for Tests two and three just as a further 0:16:04.533 --> 0:16:08.453 indictment on the spin bowling ranks in New Zealand. For 0:16:08.573 --> 0:16:11.493 him to be traveling over there with the possibility of 0:16:11.533 --> 0:16:14.573 playing Test cricket, that simply tells you that we have 0:16:14.813 --> 0:16:17.853 very little strength in those numbers. And I have to 0:16:17.853 --> 0:16:20.333 say it's something that we've been preaching about for a 0:16:20.373 --> 0:16:21.093 number of years. 0:16:22.093 --> 0:16:25.253 Well he's over there of course because Michael Braceball may 0:16:25.253 --> 0:16:27.453 be returning home for the birth of another child, so 0:16:27.813 --> 0:16:30.093 he's going to be there as a replacement for Braceball. 0:16:30.493 --> 0:16:32.613 We want to pick a side that's going to be aggressive, 0:16:32.613 --> 0:16:34.973 that's going to be able to take India on. We're 0:16:35.013 --> 0:16:37.453 not going to have Williamson at three. Will Young seems 0:16:37.453 --> 0:16:40.253 to be the man. According to Gary Stead, what's our 0:16:40.293 --> 0:16:42.053 top five or top six flock? 0:16:42.133 --> 0:16:47.653 Like Jerry Colonway lays the young Ravendra Mitchell Phillips, I 0:16:47.693 --> 0:16:50.533 don't think there's too much doubt you can change a 0:16:50.573 --> 0:16:52.493 few of the numbers around, but those will be the 0:16:52.973 --> 0:16:59.813 six players with Williamson absent. So I mean, I think 0:16:59.973 --> 0:17:04.853 really we could pick three different sides. I disagree with you, 0:17:04.933 --> 0:17:07.013 but with Garth, I think that Santner is one of 0:17:07.013 --> 0:17:10.373 our better number eights, even though it's not particularly strong. 0:17:10.413 --> 0:17:12.453 I think he got a thirty and a fifty or 0:17:12.493 --> 0:17:16.813 something like that in Sri Lanka. But if I it's 0:17:16.853 --> 0:17:19.253 a you know, if if I wanted to pick the 0:17:19.293 --> 0:17:23.013 best strongest batting lineup, and that may not be the 0:17:23.053 --> 0:17:26.693 way you want to go, I'd have those six that 0:17:26.733 --> 0:17:30.333 I've mentioned blood or would be at seven, and then 0:17:30.373 --> 0:17:35.813 you'd have Sentner, Henry, Patel O'Rourke. Now what that leaves 0:17:35.893 --> 0:17:38.613 is the best lower order we have at the moment 0:17:38.933 --> 0:17:41.653 for batting. You know, mean means you've got two seemas 0:17:41.653 --> 0:17:45.053 O'Rourke and Henry. Is that the option you want? It 0:17:45.173 --> 0:17:48.493 means you use O'Rourke and Henry and after an initial 0:17:48.613 --> 0:17:52.093 crack with the new ball, you then give them short 0:17:52.173 --> 0:17:56.453 two to three over bursts to go with the spinners 0:17:56.493 --> 0:17:59.933 Stantner and Patel. Stantner you would have to use as 0:17:59.933 --> 0:18:03.053 a holding like a third Seema Wads, as he used 0:18:03.093 --> 0:18:08.053 to do when Mike Hessen was the coach, especially in 0:18:08.093 --> 0:18:11.373 the fings, so that would be similar to the Sri 0:18:11.453 --> 0:18:14.853 Lankan sides that we saw. Then the strongest bowling option 0:18:15.013 --> 0:18:18.853 for me would be Blundle at seven, Henry at eight, 0:18:19.613 --> 0:18:24.773 but Tell at nine, Sally it's at number ten and eleven. 0:18:24.893 --> 0:18:31.333 Oh Raw, that's the three seamers and one spinner. Totel 0:18:31.413 --> 0:18:34.853 with the two part timers, and that, I censor is 0:18:34.893 --> 0:18:38.893 the team that New Zealand will favor. The seamers can 0:18:38.933 --> 0:18:42.493 do a better job I think in Asia than a 0:18:42.533 --> 0:18:46.333 second spinner. Actually, you can get through your first innings 0:18:46.333 --> 0:18:49.173 a lot more by using a seamer at one end 0:18:49.213 --> 0:18:52.413 and a spinner at the other. It weakens the New 0:18:52.493 --> 0:18:57.693 Zealand batting quite a lot, I think. And then the 0:18:57.733 --> 0:18:59.893 third option I think if you want to pursue you 0:18:59.973 --> 0:19:04.533 mentioned was an aggressive lineup and aggressive play. Gary Stead 0:19:04.573 --> 0:19:07.133 spoke about that, but to go in tandem with the 0:19:07.173 --> 0:19:10.253 batting that they that they use against spin. At the moment, 0:19:10.853 --> 0:19:14.773 you have Blundle at seven, Henry at eight, but Tell 0:19:14.813 --> 0:19:19.533 at nine, Sears at ten, and Iraq at eleven, So 0:19:19.573 --> 0:19:23.133 you get two pace options that will become our future. 0:19:23.933 --> 0:19:26.333 You get Sears and if it swings it will you know, 0:19:26.653 --> 0:19:29.413 he'll get a bit of movement, a rurical attack with 0:19:29.453 --> 0:19:32.813 the bounce. Henry the most consistent medium fast we have 0:19:33.653 --> 0:19:37.213 and that's the way. But there are problems again there 0:19:37.533 --> 0:19:38.893 the batting is weakened. 0:19:39.333 --> 0:19:42.533 Two good options, though, Garth, I think in terms of 0:19:42.653 --> 0:19:48.253 the final makeup, bearing in mind that spinning option that 0:19:48.293 --> 0:19:53.173 you talked about as a weak area, no braceful. Would 0:19:53.173 --> 0:19:55.933 you play them in one Test match and then have 0:19:56.053 --> 0:19:58.053 him come home for the birth of his child? 0:19:58.573 --> 0:20:02.093 Well, you see, I probably would if I'd like to 0:20:02.093 --> 0:20:05.893 see him packed the head of Satan. But again, what 0:20:05.973 --> 0:20:08.333 I would like and what they will do two different things. 0:20:08.693 --> 0:20:11.973 And you know, I think when Jerry's right, they will 0:20:11.973 --> 0:20:15.293 pick Satner. I think you know that that's against figures 0:20:15.413 --> 0:20:18.133 of one none for sixty four, one for fifty one 0:20:18.373 --> 0:20:21.613 and none for eighty two in Gaul in Sri Lanka. 0:20:21.693 --> 0:20:24.773 So but they'll pick him, and they'll pick him because 0:20:24.973 --> 0:20:28.253 of his batting strength. And you know this is this 0:20:28.293 --> 0:20:30.853 is what Jerry's referred to and that's been a constant 0:20:30.973 --> 0:20:35.293 theme with this, with this New Zealand setup. I think 0:20:35.413 --> 0:20:38.373 though that you know everything that you're hearing from Gary 0:20:38.453 --> 0:20:42.773 Stead tells you that they're going to play Saudi. That's 0:20:42.933 --> 0:20:45.293 that's what I think they're going to do, you know, 0:20:45.373 --> 0:20:47.813 And that means that they will have to play Henry 0:20:48.573 --> 0:20:52.093 and O'Rourke as well. And so it just becomes to 0:20:52.133 --> 0:20:54.133 me if that's what they go ahead with, they move 0:20:54.173 --> 0:20:57.093 away from what they did in twenty twenty one where 0:20:57.173 --> 0:21:01.653 they had Jamison and Saldi and Saldi you remember five 0:21:01.653 --> 0:21:03.853 wickets in the first innings in camp or in Bold 0:21:04.053 --> 0:21:07.373 very well, but I can't see him doing that again. 0:21:07.653 --> 0:21:10.893 And if they go with that side, then it weakens 0:21:10.893 --> 0:21:14.373 the spin bowling option. So it just seems to me 0:21:14.413 --> 0:21:16.693 they've got a real problem. But they obviously want to 0:21:16.733 --> 0:21:20.653 play Southy and for me, I would be O'Rourke and 0:21:20.773 --> 0:21:23.493 Henry and then I'd be looking at my spin bowlers, 0:21:23.493 --> 0:21:26.453 Buttel would be the first one i'd pick, and then 0:21:26.653 --> 0:21:28.653 I would be trying to find a way for Bracewell 0:21:28.693 --> 0:21:30.373 and Phillips to be doing the rest of it. But 0:21:30.453 --> 0:21:32.693 I think they'll go with Santana and that defensive option, 0:21:32.813 --> 0:21:35.693 and again, as Jerry says quite rightly, he'll be that 0:21:35.773 --> 0:21:38.013 defensive bowler who can hold an end up and they'll 0:21:38.053 --> 0:21:40.693 hopefully attack from the other ends. But gee, there's going 0:21:40.773 --> 0:21:41.533 to be some work to do. 0:21:42.093 --> 0:21:45.573 Bracewell, as far as our spinners are concerned, is by 0:21:45.733 --> 0:21:50.133 far the most penetrating in terms of spinning the ball. 0:21:50.773 --> 0:21:52.773 He will get the ball to get up in the air, 0:21:52.893 --> 0:21:55.693